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From the opinion pages of The Wall

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Street Journal, this is Potomac. Watch.

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Relations between Israel and the

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By Demonstration continue to deteriorate

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After his real killed seven

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relief workers for World Central

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Kitchen in Gaza. Israel is

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taken responsibility for the bombing,

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which it said was based

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on faulty intelligence, but reaction

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in the Us in the

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rest of the world has

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been increasing hostility to a

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Jewish state. What happens now

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in U S is relations.

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What does all of this

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mean for the Gaza. War

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welcome, I'm Polish. You go with

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the Wall Street Journal opinion pages

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and I'm here with my colleagues

0:46

Kim Stressful and Bill Mcgurn. So

0:48

Israel has apologized for the bombing

0:51

and that says it's conducting an

0:53

investigation. But let's listen to Jose

0:55

address the celebrity chef who runs

0:57

World Central Kitchen and was workers

1:00

were killed saying the strike was

1:02

deliberate followed by you a spokesman

1:04

for the State Department, Matthew Miller

1:07

on Israel's accountability. We were. Targeted

1:09

deliberately not stop until everybody was

1:11

that in these com boy these

1:13

happen over more than one point

1:15

five one point eight kid on

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it so these was not use

1:19

our bad lag and situation where

1:21

hopes will drop the bomb in

1:23

the wrong place or not these

1:25

was over One point five one

1:27

point eight kilometers with a berry

1:29

defy humanitarian convoy that had signs

1:31

in the top in the rules

1:33

that cannot be that rob an

1:35

army the has hundreds of drones

1:37

above gotta the. Chief of Staff for

1:40

the Israeli Defense Forces has come out said

1:42

it's and beside it was a misidentification so

1:44

by took that to me. Meanwhile they were

1:46

targeting those cars are not believe that it

1:48

was World Central Kitchen that was operating those

1:50

vehicles at the time. But

1:52

that said, we need to wait and see

1:54

the outcome of this investigation. Does to know

1:56

with any confidence what it was that happened

1:58

in. We're going away. to do that. But

2:01

it doesn't really matter how they made

2:03

the mistake. At the end of the

2:05

day, you have seven dead aid workers

2:07

who are there trying to deliver humanitarian

2:09

assistance. So whatever the mistake that happened

2:11

inside the IDF, it's unacceptable. And they

2:14

need to do better. And they need

2:16

to put measures in place to ensure

2:18

that it doesn't happen again. Harsh criticism

2:20

from Jose Andres, the world central kitchen

2:23

head, and no

2:25

doubt painful, terrible episode seven

2:27

innocent aid workers killed. It's

2:29

truly awful. And

2:31

it's understandable as anger. But as you

2:34

heard from the State Department spokesman, there

2:36

doesn't seem to be any evidence that

2:38

this was deliberately an attempt to kill

2:40

the aid workers. The US seems to

2:42

be agreeing, or at least believing the

2:44

Israel point that it was a case

2:48

of mistaken identity. Kim,

2:50

if nothing else, what we know is

2:52

certainly isn't in Israel's interest to have

2:54

done this, because the condemnation

2:56

is made life more difficult for its

2:59

campaign in Gaza. Yeah,

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I mean, there's a lot we still

3:03

don't know about here. Netanyahu came out

3:05

and apologized. They said that they

3:07

will investigate it, check it, there's going to

3:10

be a full review. I do think that

3:12

this is very important because it is what

3:14

distinguishes a democracy, the speed

3:16

at which Israel came out and

3:18

admitted fault for this horrible tragedy,

3:21

and said that there would be a review

3:23

and that it would be made transparent and

3:25

that people would know what would happen. This

3:27

is, I would say, in contrast, for instance,

3:29

to that hospital bombing

3:32

very early in the conflict in

3:34

which Hamas didn't take responsibility and

3:36

attempted to pin it on Israel. Very

3:39

tragic, though. And it just comes at

3:41

a terrible moment, because obviously it's a

3:43

moment in which Joe

3:45

Biden, unfortunately, is caving to

3:48

pressure on his left already.

3:51

He's worried about the upcoming election.

3:53

He'd been distancing himself somewhat from

3:55

Israel's war effort. He now came

3:57

out with his own statement. which

4:00

was also incredibly harsh. He said

4:02

he was outraged and heartbroken over

4:04

this. He said, Israel has not

4:06

done enough to protect aid workers.

4:09

Incidents like yesterday's simply should not

4:12

happen. Israel has not done enough

4:14

to protect civilians. And

4:16

this gets into growing questions

4:18

over Israel's thought of going

4:20

into Rafah. There's a big

4:23

push in Washington to try to dissuade

4:25

them from doing it. But between Biden

4:27

and a lot of heaping of scorn

4:29

by other world leaders, this

4:31

is certainly a new problem

4:34

Israel has to confront as this

4:36

conflict continues to drag on. There's

4:38

no downplaying the tragedy

4:41

here and the mistake. And

4:44

yet, I recall the episode

4:47

in August 2021

4:50

when the US on its way

4:52

out of Afghanistan mistakenly fired a

4:54

hellfire missile in Kabul, which

4:57

was aimed supposedly at ISIS

4:59

Khorasan planners who had killed

5:01

the Americans as we

5:03

attempted to leave. But

5:05

instead, mistakenly hit

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a family and killed 10 civilians,

5:10

including as many as seven children.

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That was a mistake. As

5:14

the Pentagon acknowledged at the time, we

5:16

now assess it is unlikely that the

5:18

vehicle and those who died were associated

5:20

with ISIS-K or were a

5:23

direct threat to US forces. None

5:26

of that is to deny the tragedy

5:28

of the event in Gaza,

5:30

but it does point out that in

5:32

wartime, these kinds of mistakes happen. Yes,

5:35

it does. That was a

5:37

good example, because remember, Paul,

5:39

initially the US Pentagon said

5:42

it was a righteous strike. It took a

5:44

little while for the real story

5:46

to come out. And I

5:48

don't recall outrage on

5:51

the president's part. I don't recall anyone

5:53

paying a price for this. And

5:55

I can understand mistakes to happen like

5:57

this. That's why we're so brutal. rule

6:00

because innocent people get killed.

6:03

But I think that's why you

6:05

have to be careful about not

6:07

self-righteously denouncing someone

6:09

for a difficult decision because it

6:12

didn't turn out well. You try

6:14

to minimize the threat and so

6:16

forth. I mean, I think Joe

6:18

Biden's outrage would be easier to

6:20

take if he were

6:22

clear in articulating goals, like he said,

6:24

Israel should be able to defend itself.

6:26

Kind of the same line he's taken

6:29

with Ukraine. He doesn't say

6:31

Hamas needs to be destroyed or

6:33

it has to win. And

6:35

I think it erodes Israel's

6:38

moral credibility when it's

6:40

constantly being sapped. Now

6:42

on the flip side,

6:44

the Biden administration is taking flack

6:47

from the pro-Palsidian crowd for continuing

6:49

to send weapons over there. But

6:52

I think when you don't lend

6:54

moral support to an ally, that

6:56

kind of aid becomes jeopardized itself.

6:59

And I would like to see the

7:01

president more forthright in what he wants

7:04

the outcome to be. Does he want

7:06

Hamas to be left there with a

7:08

nucleus? Does he want Hamas to

7:10

be destroyed? I'd like to see him be

7:13

more clear about what we're aiming for

7:15

with one of her allies. All

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right. We're going to take a break.

7:19

And when we come back, we'll have

7:21

more on the tragic bombing this week

7:23

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Journal opinion. Let's build on

8:21

the point that Bill made, Kim,

8:23

in the last section where he

8:26

mentioned the pressure building on

8:29

President Biden through this episode on

8:31

the left. Of course, you have

8:33

Jose Andres, the leader of World

8:35

Central Kitchen, appearing everywhere, talking about

8:37

his claim that Israel did

8:39

this deliberately. You have the

8:42

Democratic left becoming increasingly impatient. Ben

8:44

Rhodes, who was one of the

8:46

architects of Barack Obama

8:49

policy in the Middle East,

8:51

which does not make him a moral

8:53

authority or strategic authority

8:55

in any sense, but he says

8:57

he was highly critical of Biden saying, as

9:00

long as there's no consequences against

9:02

Israel for what it's done,

9:04

then his rhetoric criticizing Israel

9:06

means nothing. You have

9:09

Jill Biden letting it be known, or somebody

9:11

letting it be known, that Jill Biden had

9:13

told Joe, Joe, you got to bring the

9:15

war to an end. Well,

9:17

thanks for that. Yeah, make it stop. Well,

9:19

thanks for that. We all want

9:21

it to stop. The question is how you

9:23

do it. And then Chris Van Hollen, the

9:26

Maryland Center, who's been one of the leading

9:28

anti-Israel voices in the US Senate, saying, I

9:30

hope this will be the moment where the

9:32

president changes course, quote, unquote, he

9:35

wants the administration to impose restrictions

9:37

on weapon deliveries

9:39

to Israel from the

9:41

US. I guess

9:43

my question politically, Kim, is this

9:45

pressure going to make any difference

9:47

in terms of the ultimate US policy

9:49

of support for Israel? In other words,

9:52

could Biden turn? That is the

9:54

fear. And by the way, I would

9:56

disagree with Mr. Rhodes, that rhetoric alone

9:58

is not damaging as we've been. we're just discussing,

10:00

I think that Joe Biden's

10:02

comments distancing himself from Netanyahu and

10:05

the very harsh criticism that he

10:07

has ladled out of late is

10:09

in fact very difficult because

10:11

as one of its strongest allies, it's

10:14

a signal to other world leaders to

10:16

back off as well too. And it

10:18

makes Israel increasingly isolated. So the rhetoric

10:20

is itself a problem. The

10:22

fear is that it grows into actual

10:25

policy changes. And you

10:28

mentioned Ben Holland, Chris Coons,

10:30

who's actually been one of

10:32

the bigger backers of Israel

10:34

in Congress. He's a Senator.

10:37

He came out today and said

10:39

that if Netanyahu were

10:41

to order the Israeli defense forces

10:43

into Rafah at scale and make

10:45

no provisions for civilians or humanitarian

10:48

aid, that he would vote

10:50

to condition future aid to Israel. You've

10:53

got also news reports, which

10:55

I find very concerning. This

10:57

has all been a discussion about the

10:59

next vote on the next branch of

11:01

Israel aid, but obviously there are arms

11:03

deals that are also in

11:06

the works. One of them involves

11:08

an $18 billion deal to transfer

11:10

among other things, F-15 fighters and

11:12

munitions. Apparently the president

11:14

sent informal notification of this deal

11:17

to Congress. And he so

11:19

far has not gotten sign off from

11:21

the two Democrats. So word is, is

11:24

that when this happens under the Arms and

11:26

Export Control Act, the president has to notify

11:28

Congress. And then the top

11:30

players on the Senate foreign relations and

11:32

House Foreign Affairs Committee have to say,

11:35

yes, the Republicans have supposedly said yes,

11:37

but Ben Cardin in the

11:39

Senate and Gregory Meeks in the House apparently

11:41

have not given their approval. So

11:44

we are already potentially moving to

11:46

a situation where Israel could be

11:49

struggling to get even

11:51

prior agreed equipment over to

11:53

them because of the politics here in the U.S.

11:56

That's of course, Bill, the pressure from

11:58

the. Democratic left,

12:00

for the most part, the people we've been

12:03

citing are, by and large, on the left

12:05

of the party. And yet,

12:07

when you look at the polling

12:09

that I've seen, the US public

12:11

support for Israel against Hamas seems

12:14

to be holding quite well at about two-thirds

12:17

of the public. The Wall Street

12:19

Journal poll in Michigan this week shows that

12:22

even in Michigan, which is, of

12:24

course, a locus of so-called Dearborn

12:26

Democrats, who are often,

12:29

nor many of them, are Arab Americans,

12:32

but also young people who disagree

12:34

with the US policy. But overall

12:36

in the state, the pro-Israel view

12:38

still prevails by

12:41

a substantial margin. So

12:43

my point is that the president would

12:45

pay a price politically if he

12:48

indeed were to start conditioning military

12:50

aid to Israel on certain

12:52

kinds of behavior, or if he were to

12:54

attempt to block Israel from

12:57

finishing the job against Hamas.

13:00

Yeah, I think it's part of

13:02

his tendency to kind of

13:04

take position, then mitigate it.

13:06

Like with Ukraine, he gives

13:08

him enough to keep footing, but I don't

13:11

think he's on the record said

13:13

Ukraine must win. He's been

13:15

saying that we must not allow Russia

13:17

to win, but he doesn't say we

13:19

need Ukraine to win. And the same

13:21

thing here. I think he's listening to

13:23

the wrong people. Paul, I look at

13:25

the polls the same way. The

13:27

majority Americans can distinguish between the

13:30

state of Israel and a group

13:32

that launches attacks, slaughtering

13:35

grandmothers and teenage girls

13:37

and babies, and they

13:39

know what side they're on. I think

13:41

it would be a stronger play. And

13:43

I think Biden had it originally, you

13:45

know, went over to Israel and visited

13:47

during wartime. If he had

13:50

stuck with that and tried to marginalize the

13:52

protesters. But now I think he's going to

13:54

get the worst of both worlds because

13:56

the people like us who

13:59

want to see a strong and

14:01

unequivocal defense of Israel and want

14:03

to see them win and absolutely

14:06

destroy Hamas and get hostages back,

14:08

including the four Americans they hold.

14:11

He's criticized from the right by them, but

14:14

the left is kind of onto his

14:16

game. They're not going to be appeased by

14:19

rhetoric. They're only going to be appeased

14:21

if Joe Biden really takes kind

14:23

of the view you have to cut off

14:25

aid and so forth, which I'm not sure

14:27

he'll do according to what they want. So

14:29

he's in a position where both sides

14:31

can kind of feel enraged. And of

14:34

course, the left is still going to

14:36

march on the convention. There's going to

14:38

be a lot of problems. That's the

14:40

passionate cause of the moment for the

14:42

left. And I don't think

14:44

it's going to obey. Well, we've been

14:47

talking about the domestic and political implications

14:49

of all of this. Of course, there

14:51

are global political implications, strategic, especially in

14:53

the Middle East, which is still in

14:56

a perilous position. We had the apparent

14:59

Israeli strike this week came against Iranian

15:02

Revolutionary Guard Corps building

15:05

and generals in Syria, targeted

15:08

strike that killed top generals.

15:11

Iran has vowed to retaliate.

15:13

We have on Friday the

15:16

annual Iranian Al-Quds day,

15:18

which might be a day they

15:20

launch reprisals at Israel, either

15:23

directly or through their proxies. We've

15:25

got a very tense position on the

15:28

northern border of Israel with Lebanon and

15:30

Hezbollah, the restive population

15:32

in the West Bank, Palestinians. And then

15:35

of course, the Gaza War is far

15:38

from over. So abandoning Israel

15:40

or seeming to abandon Israel, seeming

15:42

to stop it from finishing its job would have

15:45

real implications for what message we were

15:47

sending the world about how steadfast the

15:49

US is on behalf of a beleaguered

15:51

ally. Yes, and potential

15:53

implications for us. I would note

15:55

that the Iranian leadership

15:58

made clear that while While

16:00

they believe that Israel is behind

16:02

this, that they view America as

16:04

taking responsibility as well too. They

16:06

said America will have to pay

16:08

a price for this. We've

16:11

already had our troops under assault

16:13

and bases that we have in

16:15

Syria and Iraq from proxies funded

16:17

by Iran with drone strikes and

16:19

others. Three US troops killed back

16:21

on a base in Jordan in

16:23

a strike. I think

16:25

we can expect as well that those attacks

16:28

are going to ramp up and

16:30

maybe the area becoming more dangerous for

16:32

those that we have now trying to

16:34

keep things calm. I

16:37

think not just implications for what

16:39

has been a conflict that's largely

16:42

been centered in Gaza spilling out

16:44

over the borders, but further bringing

16:47

the United States in. This is what

16:49

happens when you don't show strong deterrence

16:51

and you don't stand by your allies. You

16:53

just make yourself more of a target. All

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pivot to what's leading political challenger

18:10

to president by Donald Trump. Has

18:13

been saying about the war in

18:15

Gaza and events and that he

18:17

made a call to Hugh Hewitt

18:19

so Radio show on Thursday morning

18:21

and I was asked of course

18:23

about events in Israel and the

18:26

what he said was he thinks

18:28

is just taking too long for

18:30

the Israeli government to finish the

18:32

job. He said that he wants

18:34

his real. To. Go

18:36

ahead because I'm not sure that I'm

18:39

loving the way they're doing it because

18:41

you have to have a victory and

18:43

it's taking a long time. And the

18:45

other thing I hate they put out

18:47

keeps all the time. every night the

18:50

releasing tapes of a building falling down.

18:52

They shouldn't be releasing tapes like that.

18:54

That's why they're losing the P R

18:56

war. Israel was absolutely losing a P

18:58

R War. And quote Kim, it's not

19:01

really grasp the nettle there. except I

19:03

guess he's not saying they shouldn't go

19:05

and or. Offer not committing any details.

19:07

he's a saying. They. Gotta move

19:09

fast. It's classic Donald

19:12

Trump. This is taking too long. The

19:14

Vault. I mean

19:16

one thing he also said of that

19:18

night I do think it was a

19:20

very key phrase. He said they need

19:22

to finish what they start in which

19:25

to me signals and Donald Trump is

19:27

sticking with Israel and saying that he

19:29

has their back in terms of their

19:31

objective. That yes, his complaint. As is

19:33

often Donald Trump when it comes to

19:36

international complex, he doesn't like anything that's

19:38

drawn out. He does I will. given.

19:40

as he doesn't understand that americans

19:42

also prefer to see complex and

19:44

quickly this is always been one

19:46

of the struggles when you in

19:48

the united states and anywhere is

19:50

engaged in a foreign com like

19:52

did keeping political will onside but

19:54

that's what we look to leaders

19:56

to do to explain the consequences

19:58

of early abandonment not

20:00

really Donald Trump's strong suit. I

20:03

think this distinguishes somewhat from Joe

20:05

Biden. He isn't being outwardly critical

20:08

other than a timeline perspective and

20:10

his professed worry that if this

20:12

drags on, it will be more

20:15

difficult for Israel to sustain it. And

20:17

there is a reality to that. You

20:19

know, I think it's interesting to me,

20:22

Bill, that he hasn't criticized Biden on

20:24

Israel. You know, he's kind

20:26

of stayed away from saying that Biden

20:29

should be more steadfast in support. He

20:31

hasn't said that Biden hasn't made the

20:33

point about Hamas holding US hostages. Why

20:36

do you think that is, Bill? I

20:38

don't know. I assume that

20:40

bolstering his gut instinct side

20:43

with Netanyahu is the

20:45

fact that Biden is being criticized

20:47

for not supporting him strong enough,

20:49

especially in rhetoric. So I would

20:51

have expected him to say more.

20:54

I think he will as he realizes. I

20:57

think to Donald Trump, a lot of

20:59

his political, if he thinks

21:01

that support for

21:03

Israel, strong support is

21:05

anti-Biden, I think he'll embrace it

21:08

more fully. But you point out

21:10

the politics are very odd because,

21:13

you know, the demonstrations,

21:15

people blocking airports like

21:17

JFK on behalf of

21:19

Gaza, along those people that

21:21

are very passionate would,

21:24

I think, be Bobby Kennedy supporters.

21:26

And he's also, he's anti-Biden. He's

21:28

been critical, been very strong. Yeah,

21:30

pro-Israel. Yeah, and reminds me, when

21:32

I was in Afghanistan during the

21:34

first war, they loved,

21:36

the Afghans loved the Rambo movies.

21:39

And then they found out

21:41

one of the ones, maybe the

21:43

last one, was filmed in the

21:45

Zionist entity. And

21:48

kind of dampened their enthusiasm. And

21:51

I kind of feel the protesters,

21:53

I don't think most of them

21:55

know Bobby Kennedy's position, but it

21:58

makes for strange bedfellows. I think

22:00

one of the things that's been shattered

22:02

in addition to the two-state solution is

22:05

kind of unfortunately a bipartisan

22:08

consensus on Israel. I think

22:10

the left is splitting the

22:12

Democratic Party from Israel, and

22:15

I think that's going to make for

22:17

all sorts of interesting politics, especially in

22:19

2024. And

22:21

I do think Trump was on to

22:23

it. It was a political point, not

22:26

a something point about taking long. You

22:28

know, when I was with Bush in

22:30

the White House, he always said, you

22:32

know, Bubba wants those troops home, and

22:34

it took three years to get a

22:37

successful surge strategy. Time

22:39

is generally not on the fighter's

22:41

side, the people trying to defend

22:43

themselves against terrorists. So if

22:45

that's, as Kim said, just kind of

22:48

an analysis of the fact, that's one thing. If

22:50

it signals, well, maybe I'll get

22:52

bored with support if this goes

22:54

on too long, that's a very

22:56

different thing entirely. Kim,

22:59

it is also in Joe Biden's interest

23:01

that this end soon, right? Because

23:04

the sooner it does, the conflict

23:06

in Gaza, the sooner he can

23:08

pursue the deal he wants between

23:10

Israel and Mohammed bin Salman of

23:12

Saudi Arabia to conclude

23:14

a peace deal or have them join the Abraham

23:16

Accords. That's still very much on the

23:18

minds of the Biden White House. Jake

23:21

Sullivan, the National Security Advisor, was supposed to travel

23:23

over there. So they still

23:25

want that to be done. And

23:28

then, of course, for the reasons Bill

23:30

has described about the pressure from the

23:32

Democratic left, they want this done well

23:34

before the Democratic Convention in

23:36

August, which could be

23:38

quite a damaging spectacle of internal

23:41

democratic division. Sure. This president

23:43

has all kinds of reasons to want

23:45

this done. I mean, one, obviously, he

23:47

would just like this conflict to be

23:49

over. It's one more overseas

23:51

distraction. He was already dealing

23:54

with Ukraine trying to keep

23:56

support marshaled to

23:58

continue getting aid to the U.S. that ally.

24:00

This is one more conflict that is

24:02

in many ways spiraling out of his

24:05

control. So you get that done and

24:07

not only do you take it off

24:09

the balance sheet, maybe you even get

24:12

a win after it, as you said,

24:14

with the peace deal. But also this

24:16

is just a president who prefers to

24:18

talk about domestic issues. He would much

24:21

rather be doing tours of the country

24:23

bragging about the infrastructure money he put

24:25

out and talking about abortion than he

24:28

would be foreign policy issues. I

24:30

don't know if he's going to get

24:32

that wish. Israel's been pretty clear that

24:34

this is going to take some time.

24:36

Donald Trump's advice to Israel notwithstanding, I

24:39

would wager that that country

24:41

understands that unless you actually

24:43

complete the mission and essentially

24:45

make it so that Hamas

24:48

cannot reconstitute itself and repeat

24:50

another October 7th, then

24:52

all of this has not been worth it. So I

24:54

mean this could still go on. We're

24:57

already at the six month mark here since

24:59

October 7th and in

25:01

that sense it is the longest

25:04

war in Gaza by far that has been fought after

25:06

a spate of Hamas

25:09

or Islamic Jihad attacks on Israel.

25:11

And this time Israel does

25:13

seem determined to eliminate Hamas.

25:15

And I think the question is how much

25:18

time it takes and in

25:20

what manner will it be accomplished.

25:22

Thanks Kim and thanks Bill. We appreciate

25:24

it. We're here every day on Potomac

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Watch and we hope to see you

25:29

tomorrow. Thanks for listening.