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All right, let's do this. How are

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0:46

buddies? What the fucking Adians?

0:48

What's happening? I'm Mark Maron. This

0:50

is my podcast. Welcome to it. I've been doing

0:53

it a while. I'm glad you're all here.

0:56

I think we're doing some of the best shows we've done in years

0:58

right now.

1:00

There's just been a run of shows that for me

1:02

have been tremendous

1:04

conversations. I don't

1:06

know. There's just something happening because

1:09

of the variety of guests we've been having that, uh,

1:11

it's been very engaging for me

1:14

and I hope for you as well.

1:16

How is everybody? Are

1:18

you okay? Uh,

1:21

it's Yom Kippur. So I

1:23

don't know how many

1:25

Jews are listening or maybe

1:28

they're like me and they are just having

1:31

a reflective day. It is the day

1:33

of atonement and you're, you're

1:36

gunning for another year in the life.

1:40

You're trying to get yourself in the big

1:42

book of people that make it

1:44

through another year. Good

1:46

luck Jews. Good luck with that. I

1:48

hope that, uh, your, uh, your

1:50

atoning is received well and

1:53

your future is weighed properly

1:55

by the almighty that you may believe in. Or

1:57

I'm not even sure if that's how it works, but I do know.

2:00

that on this day I tried to be reflective.

2:04

I can't say that my guest today is necessarily

2:06

like that. I don't know.

2:08

I talked to Chevy Chase.

2:12

His daughter is the

2:14

piano player, one of the piano players at

2:17

the comedy store and

2:19

I see her all the time and she's very sweet

2:21

and we talk all the time and

2:23

she's been sort of trying to get me to interview

2:26

Chevy for a long time

2:28

and I've been resistant because

2:31

I've heard that he's difficult and

2:35

look I did a roast of him years ago

2:37

that was really one of the worst nights

2:39

of my life but

2:43

eventually it started to seem like it was

2:45

gonna happen and I was going to let it happen. It

2:47

just came down to her saying

2:49

look contact my mom. He

2:51

wants to do it. He wants to do

2:53

things and I'm like all right you know what okay.

2:57

I was a huge Chevy Chase fan when

2:59

I was a kid. I would stay up late on

3:01

Saturday nights. I'd watch him fall down. I used

3:03

to go to school the next day when I was in junior

3:06

high and do my own version of the falls.

3:09

I loved him. I love Chevy

3:11

Chase so if I could just sort of put

3:14

myself into that place and remember

3:16

that I would approach him

3:18

with that graciousness

3:22

and curiosity and I

3:24

knew look I knew

3:26

that he is a defensive

3:28

guy. I wasn't

3:31

expecting him to be too reflective.

3:33

It's just notoriously

3:35

not his thing but

3:38

I think you can

3:40

hear everything you need to hear by

3:43

listening to him for an hour and

3:46

I think it's revealing in its own way. It

3:49

was kind of funny to see Chevy doing Chevy

3:51

things sitting right across from

3:53

me. So that's

3:56

what's happening shortly. Mark,

4:00

anything episode coming up for full Maron subscribers.

4:03

So I need your questions. To ask

4:05

a question, go click on the link in the

4:07

episode description and submit your question

4:09

on the Google form. We also put the

4:11

link on the WTF social media pages.

4:15

This is kind of exciting. There are these new

4:18

Brian Jones cat mugs available

4:21

to purchase. And this is starting today

4:23

at noon Eastern. Now

4:26

this design is very special. It's almost

4:29

a commemorative mug. It's almost a collectible

4:33

because he just made this

4:35

limited numbered run

4:37

of the original style layout

4:42

of the cat mug with the classic cat

4:44

design on it with the three

4:47

original cats. But

4:49

here's the deal. We

4:52

got new designs for

4:54

the new three cats. But

4:58

in the old way, I can't really explain

5:00

it. But the original design was kind

5:02

of a kind of earthy looking mug. And

5:05

it had these cat, the

5:07

three boomer, monkey, and lofonda on

5:09

it. And they looked a certain

5:12

way. And now these new ones also

5:15

have Buster, Charlie,

5:18

and Sammy on it in the same style

5:20

on one side. And

5:23

on the other side, the original three are there. But

5:26

they're gold. And they have halos.

5:29

So the cat angels are now

5:32

represented. And on the other

5:34

side, in black and white,

5:37

or just not gold, are

5:39

the new crew. And then there's a recent

5:42

new decal of me. So

5:45

those are special.

5:48

And they're going to be available. And there's

5:50

also the most recent design with

5:55

the full color cat decals.

5:58

So big day for the new three. or

6:00

WTFmugs. They're

6:02

available today, starting at

6:04

noon eastern, at WTFmugs.co.

6:09

WTFmugs.co. So

6:13

grab them, they go very quickly. And

6:16

the ones, the classic ones, the

6:18

commemorative ones, the collectible,

6:20

numbered ones, are special

6:23

and they're gonna go fast, and Brian does

6:25

beautiful work. All right,

6:27

my tour dates are here. I'm in Bellingham,

6:29

Washington, at the Mount Baker

6:32

Theater for one show on Saturday, October

6:34

14th, as part of the Bellingham

6:37

Exit Festival. Portland, Oregon

6:39

is sold out, October 20th through the 22nd. Boston,

6:42

I'm at the TD Garden for Comics Come

6:44

Home on Saturday, November 4th. Then

6:47

I'm at the Kimo Theater in Albuquerque, New Mexico

6:50

for one show on November 11th. And

6:52

Denver, Colorado, I'll be at the Comedy

6:55

Works South for four

6:57

shows, November 17th and 18th. You

7:00

can go to WTFpod.com slash tour for

7:03

tickets. I will be trying to put together

7:05

some other nights here in LA

7:07

in December for the longer

7:09

sets so I don't lose touch with

7:12

the work I've been doing. I

7:15

was just at Wise Guys in Vegas, Friday

7:18

and Saturday night, four shows, me and

7:20

the Lara Bites, and

7:22

it was great. It's a great room.

7:26

Wise Guys in the Arts District

7:29

in Vegas is great. Low ceilings, the

7:32

way you can engage with the audience and you

7:34

hear what's coming back you, it's

7:37

a great place to work out. And that's where I'm going to

7:39

work when I do Vegas. I'm not

7:41

a casino act, I accept that. And

7:44

I am who I am and I

7:47

just know that about myself. No matter who tells

7:49

me that I could work

7:51

at casinos, and a lot of my heroes have worked

7:53

at casinos. Vegas is a big thing for

7:55

show business. But I'm a

7:58

stand-up comic of a certain type. And

8:00

I just feel like even

8:03

if my fans or even if people who knew me

8:05

kind of saw my face in

8:07

the lobby on some sort of

8:10

advertisement like at the Bellagio

8:13

or at the MGM or whatever, it's

8:15

Caesars. I mean they would see it and

8:17

they'd have a moment where it'd be like, oh

8:19

Mark Maron's here man. I just,

8:21

I don't know if I can do that right now. I just don't know if I can

8:24

get myself into that space. You know what I mean? We're

8:26

having a pretty good time. I just don't, you know, it's heavy man. It's

8:28

usually heavy with him and I just

8:31

don't, I don't know. I don't want to buzzkill

8:33

really. I like him, but like I just don't

8:35

think it's, I don't want to do it now. Maybe

8:37

we'll see him when he comes to town. All right,

8:39

let's just keep drinking and playing

8:41

blackjack and stuff. I

8:43

just don't think I'm tonally correct

8:47

for Vegas casinos, but

8:49

for locals in

8:52

the art district and people that came in for

8:54

those shows, they were, they were great. It

8:56

was a, it was a good time. And

8:59

you know, I went to, I went to the, the strip

9:01

because my dad came out, he and

9:03

his wife. Sometimes

9:05

I think, I think she brought him just so I could

9:07

see how he was doing. Look at

9:10

him. Look where he's at. But

9:13

he came to show. I think he had a good time. Then

9:15

I did go over to the strip to meet them for lunch

9:18

and it was heavy, you know, I'll tell you

9:20

the strip, you know, just being there among

9:24

the thralls of people. I don't

9:26

know, man, you know, it's definitely an

9:28

experience. I wouldn't say that

9:30

the feeling was hopeful. I'm not sure

9:32

I felt

9:34

hope

9:35

for humanity walking amongst

9:37

the people having a Vegas

9:39

time. I don't think I

9:42

look around or I looked around when I was there

9:44

and thought like, you know, we're going to be okay. People are

9:46

going to be okay. And look,

9:48

they were having a good time, but I did not feel

9:51

in the big picture that anything was

9:54

okay. And I don't, I didn't

9:57

sense hope for humanity.

10:00

I don't know if that's the vibe they're going for, but I

10:02

think it's the vibe that I

10:04

pick up when I go to Vegas.

10:06

I gambled a little bit, played a little blackjack. I

10:09

was $75 down, then for some reason, after

10:12

the last show, a guy just said, here, take this,

10:14

and he gave me a $100 bill. I kind of

10:17

came out ahead. I was

10:19

gonna stop him, but I didn't. He

10:21

wanted to tip me, and I'm like, all right, we're

10:23

in Vegas, I'll take it. Thank you.

10:26

I appreciate that you enjoyed my services.

10:30

But look, seeing the old man, it

10:32

was a little difficult to see where he's at

10:35

with his process here

10:38

as an older fella.

10:41

His brain's still okay. He's

10:43

having a hard time walking. We had to walk a little too much.

10:46

But I definitely felt like

10:48

it's, anytime I see him, it's important to see him.

10:51

It's kind of humbling, I'm sure, for him and me to

10:53

see him slowing down

10:56

and then to really feel it. I joke around with

10:58

the guy, but then we were at lunch,

11:00

and he wasn't doing great. And

11:02

I just took it in and

11:05

opened my heart a bit and felt it, felt

11:08

the reality of it. But

11:11

it was nice to see he and Rosie, they came out.

11:13

And it was nice. It's been

11:15

a kind of a rough week or

11:17

so. My aunt Barbara, who

11:20

was a big part of my life,

11:23

throughout my life, sometimes more than others. She

11:25

passed away last week as my mother's sister.

11:27

And it's very sad. And

11:31

she was, I just wanna pay some sort

11:33

of tribute. This was

11:35

my cool aunt. All

11:39

right, my aunt Barbara

11:43

was my cool aunt. She

11:46

was the aunt that

11:49

let us have a few beers in the house when we

11:51

were teenagers. She was the aunt that,

11:53

when I went away to music camp, she

11:56

got me some cigarettes. She was the

11:58

aunt that... smoked a little weed

12:00

here and there. They were definitely kind of

12:03

in the party scene in New York

12:05

City, New Jersey, her and my Uncle Jeff.

12:08

But she was always fun and supportive

12:11

and definitely, definitely

12:13

the cool aunt. You know, any aunt

12:16

that lets you smoke is okay by

12:18

me. Any aunt that lets you drink was okay

12:20

by me. But she was fun and

12:23

she was a great mom and

12:25

a great grandmother and was there

12:27

for my mom and just

12:30

really, you know, all my life. You

12:33

know, some people aren't necessarily close

12:35

with their aunts and uncles. But for

12:37

some reason, because we spent so much time

12:40

with my cousins, Lisa and

12:42

Lauren and my Aunt Barbara and Uncle

12:44

Jeff, when we were young kids in Jersey, they

12:46

were always there. And I'm

12:48

very sad about it and I'm going to miss

12:51

her. I see her at least once

12:53

a year. And

12:55

I think my mom's doing okay.

12:57

I'm in touch with her. My brother's down there. He

13:00

was able to show up for my mom

13:02

and my cousins and go to the funeral and be part of that.

13:05

I did not feel it was okay to

13:08

cancel four shows on that short of notice and

13:10

my dad was coming out and my

13:12

mom said it was okay. But I do feel a little bad

13:14

about it, but I have been keeping my

13:17

aunt and my thoughts and my cousins

13:19

and my mom and

13:21

I will get down there as soon as possible. And

13:24

it's Yom Kippur. It's just it's been it's

13:27

been a little heavy, but I'm

13:30

okay. Are you okay?

13:32

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14:46

look, Chevy

14:49

Chase. I was

14:51

a little nervous. I was apprehensive. I will

14:53

tell you that, you know,

14:55

generally we don't allow

14:59

people to sit in here with the guests. But

15:02

Chevy's wife wanted to be here. You

15:05

know, what was presented to me

15:07

was that she needed

15:09

to be in the room to help him remember

15:11

things. But it became pretty apparent

15:14

pretty quickly that she was in

15:16

the room. So he didn't say

15:19

anything horrible or

15:21

destructive. But, you know,

15:23

he's not a young guy. And this was what

15:25

we did. You know, we we made it through.

15:28

No one got too angry. And

15:31

it was it was very pleasant. It

15:33

was pleasant to spend the time with Chevy

15:36

Chase. There's really nothing to plug with

15:39

this interview. But

15:41

just remember that this guy

15:43

is a big part of

15:45

American comedy history. And

15:48

that really is more than enough of a reason

15:51

to talk to him. And I'm glad that

15:53

that his daughter made it happen. And I'm

15:56

glad his wife was keeping him in check.

15:59

And this is me. looking to be cheese

16:12

petrified poo poo yes very funny

16:15

very funny yeah it broke this is

16:18

uh i'm sorry i got that on a beach in

16:20

uh kawaii i

16:22

think it's it doesn't matter do you want to wear

16:24

headphones huh you want to wear headphones

16:27

what headphones yeah

16:31

i like to hear my voice is right there there's some

16:33

headphones right there i uh

16:36

you know it's i'm excited you're here it's nice to see

16:38

you i have two i have two experiences

16:41

of meeting you and or being in your presence

16:43

one is kind of odd i believe

16:45

it was the it was in aspen colorado

16:48

i think it was at the comedy festival maybe in the mid

16:51

90s and then there was another time i

16:53

think we shared one of the worst nights of our lives

16:56

together what was that that was uh when

16:58

i was on the dais for

17:00

the 2002 roast i was there with

17:03

you i was one of the guys when i was roast

17:05

yes oh wasn't that awful dude

17:07

i went to my hotel room and cried oh

17:10

no no i did well i felt awful

17:12

yeah i told paul yeah shafer

17:15

yeah you know everybody's out to you

17:17

know you're supposed to be a little loving

17:20

yeah yeah they just roasted

17:22

me bad i'd

17:24

bomb so they clearly didn't like me i

17:26

i don't know if that's true but i bombed so badly

17:29

that i went to my hotel room and i said i gotta quit i was

17:31

among my friend sam and i was weepy

17:34

oh it went so badly but fortunately this week

17:36

you're you're one of the roasters i was one of the roasters

17:39

you know who was fairly good was the last

17:42

guy the last woman was at lisa

17:44

lampinelli no no the guy uh kendler

17:46

huh andy kindler no

17:48

no i don't know who was well just

17:51

keep mentioning names and then i'll tell you i don't

17:53

oh you know you know the guy who's got a show on

17:55

sandal too uh oh you know he's got

17:57

uh like the late show oh oh oh was

18:00

it Colbert? Yeah. Oh yeah. He

18:02

was good? I thought he was the

18:04

best of them. He was pretty bright.

18:07

Yes, it was an off night and

18:09

it was hard for me because I don't do roasts.

18:12

I don't roast. Me either. I don't

18:14

know what. I'm too mean. All I know is well

18:16

that's good though but you have to then

18:19

temper it. Yeah, I don't know how to temper it and

18:21

I'm looking at you who I loved as

18:24

a child and as a comedian

18:26

and I'm looking at you and you're not, you weren't thrilled

18:28

to be there and I and I just couldn't.

18:31

Well, I didn't know what to do. Yeah. I sat

18:33

there and I thought, Jesus Christ,

18:35

they don't like me. So

18:39

jealous, jealous people. Yeah. I

18:42

don't know. Who knows? It was like, it was a long

18:44

time ago but I just remember it being a lot

18:46

of people and me not doing well.

18:49

That's what I remember. And

18:51

I remember. That makes two of us. Yeah.

18:54

But I, it's so funny because you

18:56

know, Donald Fagan listens to this

18:58

show. Oh, he does. He's a fan of my podcast.

19:00

Oh, Donald. Yes. And I, he's a great

19:03

guy. I love Donald. You guys go so far

19:05

back. Yeah, we do. College. I

19:07

mean, I had no idea that, you know,

19:09

I started C. Lee Dan basically. I

19:11

know. When, what year was that? Like,

19:14

I don't know. I think it was right after, yeah, somewhere

19:17

in there. Yeah. Yeah,

19:19

I was his first drummer. So, and

19:22

I loved it. We played, we started, by the

19:24

way, at Bard College.

19:26

Yeah. I can't remember the name of the little place

19:29

that people would go and play guitars and sing.

19:31

Yeah. And we called ourselves

19:34

the very bad jazz band. Yeah. That's

19:37

literally our name. Yeah. And I

19:40

think I was, I was a good jazz drummer.

19:42

Yeah, he said you were a great musician. I asked him, I

19:44

said, what do you, what can you tell me about Chevy? He said you're

19:47

a great musician. Oh, good. And you have good Christmas

19:49

parties. Oh, yeah, we do.

19:51

We do. But

19:53

you, but you were, how long were you

19:55

in the band for?

19:57

Oh, hell, I don't know. A year, whatever, too.

19:59

Was it clear that they were going to be amazing?

20:02

No. No. I

20:04

mean, I didn't care. I

20:07

mean, I loved doing

20:10

that kind of thing. And I still

20:12

did it many times later too. Yeah, sure. Other

20:15

people. But I

20:17

just didn't want to be a rock

20:20

and roll drummer kind of guy. Did

20:23

you do it after that? Were you in a band? Well,

20:27

as I remember, I was. We

20:30

made a record in a chameleon

20:32

church. Oh, that was the name of the band? Yes. Was

20:35

it a rock record? Yes. It

20:37

is. Yeah. A psychedelic

20:39

record? Somewhat. Yeah. I

20:42

can't remember. And how did they have that cell? Oh,

20:44

we must have sold a million. You

20:48

can imagine. Sure. I mean,

20:50

everybody knows chameleon church. That's correct.

20:54

So, spell it. That's even

20:56

worse. So was it after

20:58

that experience where you're like, you know, maybe music

21:00

is not the direction that I'm going

21:02

to go in? Well, no. But

21:05

I mean, I'm a good jazz pianist. I know. I've

21:07

been doing it now for 45, 50 years. Yeah,

21:10

and you can still play. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

21:13

Yeah, I can play. But then I was just starting the piano.

21:15

Yeah. But how did you choose comedy?

21:19

Oh,

21:21

I was funny. Yeah. And so were

21:24

Ken Shapiro. Yeah. And

21:26

those guys. Who were those guys?

21:29

We started Channel 1. Channel 1, yeah, yeah. GroupTube

21:31

in New York City. Yeah. Ken was hilarious.

21:35

And he was a shit. I mean, nobody liked

21:37

him. No one liked him. He was not nice to

21:39

people. He was a bad. So, you know,

21:41

kind of like you were saying, you get angry, you're an

21:43

angry comic or whatever. I

21:45

used to be an angry comic. Yeah. But

21:48

you're not. You're kind of angry. You're

21:50

short. Yeah. I'm tiny.

21:53

And, you know, and I found my level. It's a good boy. I've

21:55

sucked it up. Glad to hear. Okay.

22:00

I'm at, this is all that's gonna happen. Uh-huh.

22:03

Yeah. So Ken Shapiro, I know that I'm the same

22:05

way, okay? This is all that's gonna happen.

22:08

But you at least had a much bigger arc than I

22:10

had. Well, now

22:12

you're saying I'm on the other

22:15

side of my arc. I think you just had it. I'm still

22:17

at the very top. Are you? Yeah,

22:19

but it just was never very high. No, it was

22:21

huge. Okay, I'll take it. It was huge. Whatever.

22:24

So you're with Ken Shapiro, the angry guy. Yeah.

22:27

And you're doing the funny stuff. Funny stuff,

22:29

yeah. Well, I remember the GrooveTube because I

22:32

remember seeing it. I was there early, I was 13

22:35

and watching SNL and that first season

22:37

I thought you were hilarious. And when the GrooveTube

22:39

played at a small theater in New Mexico

22:42

where I grew up and I was just, I didn't know what

22:44

it was. And I'm like, oh my God, there's Chevy. And

22:46

you were doing that, we're looking over.

22:49

Oh, I'm looking over the Florida color. Yeah,

22:51

yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a good one, huh? That's

22:53

a good bit, right? I actually almost went

22:55

out cold. That's how bad Ken was.

22:58

He was doing the tapping on the head, tapping

23:00

at my ass, but playing

23:02

the drums. The Yeah,

23:24

all the way through, whatever the hell that means.

23:26

It means like you're a native New Yorker.

23:29

Oh, thank you. Yeah. Thanks so

23:31

much. Yeah, in New York City. Yeah,

23:34

but mostly in Woodstock? Well, Woodstock

23:37

was my love and still is. That's

23:40

where my grandparents

23:42

grew up and my dad grew up

23:44

and I grew up.

23:46

Yeah. It's still a wonderful

23:49

town, a wonderful place. Were you

23:51

there when everyone converged on

23:54

the town in the 60s? I didn't.

23:56

I didn't go to that. No, you weren't. No,

23:59

it wasn't really in town. Max

24:01

Lajaskar's farm. It was outside

24:04

of town by half an hour.

24:06

But what about when Dylan took off a reservation

24:08

and stuff there? I knew Bob. You

24:10

did? Yes. Bob Zimmerman. Back

24:12

then? Bobby Zimmerman. Bobby

24:14

Zimmerman from Minneapolis, from Minnesota. There you

24:17

are. Yeah. You knew him then? Yeah.

24:20

I mean, we were good friends or anything, but... He

24:22

was around. Yes. And I

24:26

had to say that this guy, he

24:29

writes beautifully. His

24:31

songs were so far... I

24:33

think he's going to make it. He changed everything. Yeah.

24:35

Oh, yeah. And like the

24:37

Beatles did. Sure. Did you go to the house? I

24:40

don't remember. Yeah. Yeah? Sure.

24:43

When he was there with the band. Yeah. Yeah?

24:46

Yeah. Was that fun? I don't

24:48

remember. It probably was. Yeah. Everything

24:50

was fun. No recollection of fun. No recollection

24:53

of fun. Well, no, I've had fun

24:55

the whole time. Really? Yeah.

24:58

So, National Lampoon, tell me about the guys...

25:00

Because I've talked to some people. Who have I talked to that you

25:02

know? You know what's weird, Chevy?

25:05

Yeah. Hello. Why

25:07

is there a fucking handler? Just a piece of an artifact

25:09

from a different time. Okay. You want to

25:11

hear something weird? I already have. Yeah, go.

25:15

This morning, I interviewed

25:17

somebody else and it was Hannah

25:20

Einbinder, Lorraine's daughter. Oh

25:22

my. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Complete

25:25

coincidence. How old is she? That's

25:28

Lorraine Newman's daughter? Yeah. And she's on that

25:30

show Hacks. Oh, I have not seen that. Yeah.

25:33

She's great. Very funny. Oh, good.

25:36

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

25:40

Of course there is. Yes. Yeah. group

25:44

that became SNL. I think you're right. That was

25:47

Billy Murray, I think was part

25:50

of that. Not the first year, but. And

25:52

his brother? Brian Doyle

25:55

Murray, Johnny, John

25:57

Belugia, Chris

25:59

Kim. guest, a group,

26:02

a great group, funny people, and

26:04

me. God,

26:08

it was fun to do. I've not heard any

26:11

of them since, I've been for 50

26:13

years, but any of them goes. Did

26:15

you do the Lemmings or was that after? Yes. You

26:18

did Lemmings. Yeah, Lemmings with Chris and

26:20

John Belushi and I and

26:23

others, I was plating. And

26:25

how'd you guys come together? Well,

26:28

as I said, Chris and I were in high school

26:30

together. You and guest? In

26:32

college, yeah. Oh, really? And he called

26:35

and said, we need a

26:37

drummer who can sing, who

26:39

can do comedy. Yeah. And I said,

26:42

I'm your man. And that's

26:44

what did it? That's what did it, yeah. And was

26:46

that the first time, well, you did Channel One, but

26:49

like, did you, were you

26:51

always sort of like thinking you were

26:54

gonna do music still or was comedy,

26:56

did that kind of seal the deal? I think they're both the

26:58

same in many ways. Yeah,

27:00

they're both improv, basically. Right. Jazz

27:03

and comedy. But you made your life

27:05

doing comedy. At some point you had

27:07

to decide. No,

27:10

one doesn't make a decision. Oh, no? One

27:12

is simply the funniest man in the world. Well,

27:17

that's what I'm thinking. Actually,

27:19

in the back of my head, I am the funniest.

27:22

That's good and I think that that manifested

27:24

for a while. Thank you. Yeah.

27:27

Thanks for the, for a while. Yeah, I wanted to add that on. What

27:29

happened now? Take it personally and maybe snap

27:32

at me a little. That's okay, what the hell, fuck it. But

27:38

when did, you know, I saw Lauren Michaels the other night,

27:40

I'm not bragging, but I saw him. Why'd

27:42

you see him? He was at a

27:44

small gathering I was at. Out here. Yeah,

27:47

surprised me. Yeah, because I, you know,

27:49

I don't have a relationship with him really other than.

27:51

Shabbity. Yeah, other than I didn't

27:53

get the show. And

27:55

I interviewed him for a couple hours. Oh, you did? I

27:58

did, yeah. What do you say? Well,

28:00

he, you know, I had an experience

28:02

with him in my audition that I'd read into

28:05

and he said that I was wrong and it was,

28:07

had nothing to do with what I thought and it made

28:09

me feel better. Oh, good. That

28:11

was the extent of it. We've been, God,

28:13

friends forever. Yeah. And

28:16

we still communicate. Up and down, here and

28:18

there. Well, not really down.

28:21

Uh-huh. No. No,

28:23

I mean, we know each other so well. How

28:25

did that first, like, how did that all come together

28:28

at the beginning with him? Well,

28:30

as I mentioned, I was in

28:32

a line, I didn't mention this to you. Therefore

28:35

I won't. Thank you. Good night.

28:37

That's it. Thank you for coming.

28:39

Okay. Yeah. We were

28:41

in a line to see Monty Python's Holy

28:44

Grail. Midnight showing in L.A.?

28:46

Yeah. He was just behind me

28:48

in the line. We had not met. Yeah. He

28:51

said that he was putting a show together and liked

28:54

to

28:55

talk to me about doing it and

28:58

he offered me a job. I went over to the,

29:02

what's the

29:03

hotel? Chateau Marmont? The

29:05

Chateau, where he was staying. And

29:08

he offered me this job and, you

29:11

know, at that time

29:14

I said, well, you know, I'm just about to start

29:16

a play with

29:19

awful actor. Yeah. And

29:23

I didn't know what I was doing really, but after

29:25

one day with this guy. Was it with

29:27

Lauren or with the actor? With the actor. Yeah.

29:31

Very gay and very well known. Yeah. But

29:33

not a good actor. Right. And so,

29:35

I mean, it was kind of, you know,

29:38

I called Lauren from a pay phone. Yeah. I

29:41

should have said, oh, offer's so good. He said, yeah.

29:43

Yeah. And I flew to the city. You

29:46

quit the play?

29:46

Yeah. Yeah. Well,

29:48

we didn't get very far. No. That

29:51

was it. I was like, you had a run and you split.

29:53

I don't think we even had one run. It was just

29:56

bad. How long did you write

29:58

for the Smothers Brothers? Oh,

30:00

I don't know. A year or two? Were you

30:02

there with Steve Martin? No, Steve was

30:04

there earlier. Yeah.

30:05

Um,

30:07

I believe, or later, I don't know. How'd

30:09

you get that gig?

30:11

Well... Uh... Let

30:14

me think.

30:16

Oh,

30:17

they offered me the gig. Yeah. I

30:20

think I was in some

30:23

room where they were being interviewed, or I was...

30:25

I don't know. It was probably from the Lampoon thing,

30:27

right? They knew you? Could be. Yeah.

30:31

Why do you say that? I'm just wondering how they knew

30:33

you. I'm wondering how you knew me. I

30:35

know you from Saturday Night Live. After that, I kind of

30:37

lost touch. Oh, there you are. Well, um...

30:40

Ha ha. Um... Let

30:42

me think. I... I

30:45

don't... Oh, I know. Yeah. I

30:47

was writing for them. Yeah. Okay.

30:49

You met them? I told them to jump off my head.

30:51

Yeah, and now they say, Hey! Who

30:54

are you guys? Yeah, they say, They say, They

30:56

say, Anyway, I was writing. Yeah. And

30:59

I was on one of their first shows

31:02

doing something in the background, but it was funny stuff.

31:05

Wait, who was around back then? They're like,

31:07

I talked to Gary Muldir recently. Do you remember

31:09

that guy at all? Gary Muldir? Familiar.

31:12

He was a comedian and also a musician,

31:14

kind of a wild guy. He was a Steve Martin's

31:16

roommate in the early 70s, but he was kind

31:18

of around. Yeah. Who was around at

31:21

the Smothers Brothers? Was it a good experience to teach you

31:23

something?

31:23

Which question would you like me to answer? Anyone

31:26

that will... Who's around? What's

31:28

a good experience? Did they teach you something? There you

31:30

go. Yeah. All of those. All of them

31:32

are good. Yeah. Who

31:35

was around? Well, they

31:37

were. I mean, it was... They were big. Yeah.

31:40

And I

31:42

was a good writer, and so I wrote stuff.

31:45

Yeah. And as I said,

31:47

I did something funny, but somehow that led

31:49

to...

31:53

Oh, the whole experience of this. Yeah. I

31:56

don't remember exactly how I could show that Lauren

31:58

knew who I was. Right. And so

32:00

you took the gig and you flew to New York and now you're

32:02

in the mix. That was it. Then

32:06

we, let's see, Michael O'Donohue. I think his

32:08

first, first thing

32:10

I was Gilda. Maybe

32:14

Danny, anybody from Canada, because

32:16

Lauren's Canadian. And

32:18

then Michael O'Donohue

32:20

and me, both lampoon guys.

32:23

O'Donohue was an incredible

32:25

guy, right? Brilliant. Yeah.

32:29

He was absolutely funny. I mean, hateful

32:32

in the best sense. You

32:35

know, he never, he never, never mind. Never

32:39

pulled back? No, he didn't hold

32:41

back. Yeah. And

32:43

he was a wonderful writer. Yeah. He

32:46

was very, what's

32:51

the word? You know, he had a board. We

32:56

all had court boards in our office. Yeah.

32:59

He had a board of ideas, but very carefully.

33:03

What's that word I'm looking for that he was very,

33:07

you know, anyway,

33:08

I'd go in there when he wasn't there and

33:10

just move the words about a half

33:13

inch or an inch to the right. And

33:16

he would notice it. He never knew how

33:18

that happened or had he done it, but

33:21

he was sure he was only three inches from the edge

33:24

and suddenly he's four inches. Because

33:27

he wrote some of the darkest ones, right? Absolutely.

33:30

And I don't know, he died pretty young,

33:32

huh? I think he was 57. Oh, yeah.

33:35

But not, he had a brain

33:38

handbag for some kind. And Franken

33:40

was there. He was pretty funny.

33:42

Franken and Davis. Yeah. They

33:45

were a couple. They were pretty good. Yeah.

33:47

I used some of their stuff for Week in Update. Yeah.

33:51

Michael wrote some great Week in Update. So I'm

33:53

trying to remember, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What

33:55

was the vibe? It was just sort of like. Oh, I

33:57

know one. Yeah. N.B.,

34:00

who was the

34:04

postal service has issued

34:06

a new stamp commemorating

34:08

prostitution in America.

34:13

It's a 10-cent stamp, but if you want to lick it, it's

34:15

a quarter. It

34:18

got big laughs. I sort

34:20

of moved on from there. Great

34:22

joke. A good

34:24

joke, yeah. Great joke. But it's

34:27

the delivery that counts. It was

34:29

all in the delivery, Jevi. That's

34:31

what made it. He

34:33

boasted. He

34:36

boasted of his own work. Did

34:38

you feel like when that thing was blowing up,

34:41

did you know that it was becoming this cultural

34:43

machine? I don't even know what

34:46

you were thinking. Yeah, I think I did.

34:49

I was there one year. I

34:51

know. It's crazy, but you're still memorable.

34:53

I used to go to school after on Monday and do

34:58

the falling thing because I was such a fan.

35:00

And do falling? Yeah, do the falling because you would

35:02

come out and fall. You bet. It was the funniest

35:04

thing I ever saw, so I would set up chairs

35:06

and shit at the pool. I was a great follower.

35:09

I had an S.O.C.K.E.R. Is that where

35:11

you learned it? Yeah, I mean, that's

35:13

where you have to flop and stuff, you know, make

35:15

sure that you got a shot. But

35:17

I just remember we all looked forward to it. We were

35:19

ready, and then when you hurt yourself, we were all wondering

35:22

if that would be the end of the fall. I know.

35:24

Yeah, would you break your leg or something? No. You

35:28

didn't. That's it. Sorry.

35:30

Good night. No, because

35:32

I remember I heard my

35:36

oh, I know what it was. Danny

35:38

and I were doing a debate.

35:43

He was doing Nixon, and

35:45

I was doing Ford, I believe.

35:49

And at the end of the debate, of course, I

35:51

had a lectern and I just fell over onto

35:54

the lectern. But

35:56

it wasn't hollow enough. The

35:59

prop got I had forgotten to move my board.

36:02

It wasn't a breakaway. No. Yeah.

36:05

So the board was there and I hit it with my gads. Yeah. And

36:08

I was in the hospital for more

36:10

than a week. Oh my God. Because I remember when

36:12

you came back, didn't you come out on crutches with

36:15

it and then do a fall? Probably. Yeah,

36:17

yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you had a cast on and everyone was

36:19

like, oh my God. I think so probably. Yeah,

36:21

it's always in trouble. Yeah, but

36:24

you pulled out. Yeah, it was a lot of horseshit. So

36:26

who were you closest to on set? When?

36:31

Me? Yeah. Like who did you hang

36:33

with mostly? Oh, Jane Curtin. Mm-hmm.

36:36

I lied. Yeah. Yeah,

36:38

yeah, I don't know. It seems like recently

36:41

she didn't have the best thing to say

36:43

about that whole experience. Oh, she didn't? Yeah,

36:45

that's what I heard. Oh. It's just not

36:47

too bad, but you just sort of like, it was

36:49

a little whatever. I don't,

36:51

she, well, maybe she was an easy mark for

36:53

the rest of us or something, I don't know. I

36:56

thought she was funny. I did too. I mean, you guys

36:58

had a good thing going. But everybody was on that. Yeah.

37:01

You know, I obviously dominated

37:03

and

37:06

I think that honestly, it had,

37:09

I was quite funny, but also,

37:12

you know, tall and handsome. Yeah. That

37:14

look. Yeah. Which I think audiences

37:16

liked. Yeah. I wasn't aware of

37:19

it that much, but in retrospect, Yeah.

37:21

I can see, you know, when I look back and I see

37:24

how I play some of the things. So it

37:26

was an obvious choice for people, you

37:28

know, the Chevy Chase. Sure.

37:30

And the catchy name. Yeah, the catchy name. And

37:32

the catchy name. Yeah. The catchy

37:35

name. Chevy Chase. Chevy Chase.

37:37

Yeah. That's not nothing.

37:39

No, it's not nothing.

37:40

It's good. Yeah.

37:43

But you felt like you were the star of that show.

37:45

So when you- I didn't say I

37:47

felt like I was the star. You did. Well,

37:49

I mean, you were, what you said was-

37:52

I was clearly the star. You were the dominant. I was the

37:54

star, yeah. I didn't just

37:56

feel like it. I was. I mean,

37:59

yeah.

37:59

And how'd you get along with John? Good?

38:02

Yeah, I mean, you know, Michael

38:05

and I fought to get John on. And

38:07

Lauren said no. Oh, down here in you?

38:10

Yeah, because Lauren said

38:12

no because John had said to Lauren, I

38:14

don't do TV, which is about the dumbest

38:16

fucking thing I ever heard in my life. I

38:18

don't do TV. Are you kidding? What

38:20

are you, TV is how people see

38:23

you. Yeah. So we

38:25

finally convinced Lauren

38:27

to invite John on and

38:30

he came on. The thing about

38:32

John was when

38:34

we did this thing, Lemmings, off-Broadway,

38:38

he was clearly the star of that show. We

38:41

had gotten him in, Chris

38:43

Kess and myself and others, Tony

38:45

Hendra, I guess. Yeah. And

38:48

he was the

38:50

announcer on Woodstock. We did the Woodshark

38:52

Festival of Peace, Love and Death. Yeah.

38:55

And did impressions

38:58

of those bands. He did Cocker, right? Yeah,

39:01

he did Cocker and

39:03

Chris did incredible. Dylan

39:08

and Taylor. Yeah, James

39:10

Taylor. Great one. What did you do?

39:13

I just did a song that was similar

39:17

to...

39:19

Oh, fuck.

39:21

What's his name? Big

39:24

deal. Denver, John Denver. Yeah, that

39:26

kind of song. Sunshine in my Shoulder? I'm

39:29

stuck in this old city now. We're

39:32

living ain't no fun. We're

39:34

stealing glass and concrete. Cancel

39:37

out the wind and sun. It

39:39

just worked. Terrible words. And,

39:43

you know, it was just an old Colorado's

39:46

calling me. As

39:48

soon as he hit, oh, Colorado's calling me,

39:51

the place went wild. They

39:53

just were sick of hearing about Colorado

39:55

from John Denver. And

39:57

that was the point of the song, really. It was just, oh,

39:59

God. Here we go again. It's Colorado.

40:02

Yeah. So you got John

40:04

on. You rallied. I

40:06

got John. You got John on the show. Excuse

40:08

me. Let me just take a

40:10

drink of this.

40:14

Man, that is... It's so funny how

40:17

deep you are in my brain. I was totally expecting

40:19

you to dribble at all of your shirt on purpose. I

40:21

did. I

40:24

would, but my wife's here. Telling you

40:26

not to dribble. She's just... No

40:28

dribbling? I don't want you to be misinterpreted.

40:30

No. Yeah. Since we're

40:33

not live on camera. You can just say you

40:35

did and it happened. I just look at the... So

40:39

after that first season, you don't

40:41

mind going over this because this is what we're doing. No,

40:44

but I got to go. It's great talking to you. Thanks for coming

40:46

by. Thanks for having me. You're going to be

40:48

okay?

40:49

Take care. What's the question?

40:51

Do you have any questions

40:53

yet? Yeah. How

40:55

did you get this job? You're in my house.

40:58

I'm crazy. I just walked to work. After I got

41:00

to walk over to the house next door. This is the garage.

41:03

Yes. This is like Bill Maher. No, no,

41:05

no, no. Oh, he does it

41:07

in some house. I was in some house. Today

41:09

is 14 years. Yeah. 14 years

41:12

of this show. I did Bill Maher. How was

41:14

that for you? It was fine. You know,

41:16

he's... Did he let you talk? Yes. But

41:19

he did like to do his

41:21

own comedy a little bit. Uh-huh. Did

41:23

he impose any political ideas

41:26

into you and put you on the spot? No. I'm

41:29

already way ahead of that. Oh, are you? Yeah.

41:32

Yeah. So, how was it? It

41:34

couldn't be as fun as this though. No, this is much more fun. I

41:36

would say so because I'm the best. You

41:38

are, man. Take your hand off that. I'm

41:41

the best at this. I can't because it will drift away.

41:44

I'll say. So,

41:47

when you left SNL, was

41:50

that because you knew you were going to be a movie

41:52

star?

41:54

No. There

41:58

was a girl that I had...

41:59

Huge

42:01

crush on and she said come to LA

42:03

she she wouldn't come to New York Uh-huh,

42:06

so I think I'd lived with her for about a year out

42:08

there. Yeah out here. Uh-huh, California

42:11

before SNL. Yeah, uh-huh and

42:14

I

42:16

Somehow promise

42:18

her that I'd leave after one

42:21

year and come to her and all this shit. Oh,

42:23

wow Which is the worst choice

42:25

in the world I can't that's sort of amazing I

42:28

was because and Lauren wasn't happy about

42:30

that Nobody was really happy because

42:32

I did become very famous on that show. So

42:35

I I was sort of the You

42:38

know the anchor that kind of

42:40

thing. Yeah, and we can update them. Yeah

42:42

all that. Yeah, so But

42:44

you told Lauren I'm gonna go live with this girl. Yeah

42:47

Never you how old I wouldn't marry her to

42:49

are you married her? Yeah, well, yeah, you kind of had to

42:52

I had to I pork her No, but

42:54

you gave up a big opportunity to

42:56

stay on the show. So you had to make it good Oh

42:58

god, it was the worst thing cuz

43:00

then you know, we spent Battle

43:03

time sort of together. Yeah,

43:06

it didn't last more like I don't know

43:08

nine months or something the marriage Yeah,

43:10

yeah. Yeah, so but how do you end on your

43:12

feet with the movies? I mean that you know, it

43:14

turned out okay Yeah, it

43:17

turned out

43:17

okay, and you know coming

43:19

to think of the movies. Let me think What

43:22

was my first movie after grooved tube?

43:24

It was a tunnel vision a foul play Foul

43:27

play with Goldie. That was good. Yeah, she's

43:29

great. You guys were good together. I was yes

43:32

Yeah, I loved her and she's

43:34

sort of terrific girl. Yeah. Yeah, so funny together

43:38

How did that happen foul play? I don't

43:40

remember you don't did you have good agents

43:42

good managers after SNL? I suppose

43:45

I did Yeah, I think I was with CAA

43:47

at a time or

43:49

something like that. And then I remember I'll

43:51

tell you I still remember that beat

43:54

in seems like old times where they come

43:56

to your cabin and you said Oh, no, you

43:58

don't you don't understand. I'm blind Oh

44:00

yeah, okay. Nice one. It's

44:03

a good one. I like being under the bed

44:05

too with my hand and who

44:07

was it? Chuck? Grodin?

44:09

Yeah. His foot on my hand. Yeah. Yeah,

44:11

and They had a devoted

44:14

an entire shot to my hand on his

44:16

foot. Yeah, me trying to point to it.

44:18

Yeah Yeah, you know, yeah funny. That's

44:21

that kind of physical stuff. I love. Grodin

44:23

was funny, right? Yes, Charles Charles

44:25

Very funny.

44:26

So do you still look back at

44:28

the SNL decision as being a bad decision or no?

44:31

Yeah, I do Because

44:34

in retrospect, I wish I'd stayed for five

44:36

years like like everybody else. Yeah,

44:39

I mean

44:41

It was the most fun. Yeah, what

44:43

do you are? What do you think would have been different had you

44:45

done that? Cuz you know, I don't know.

44:47

I don't know you just missed the time.

44:50

I

44:50

mean the guys

44:53

yeah girls, yeah it's

44:57

not that I watched it and thought oh geez,

44:59

that's the best thing in the world, but

45:03

It was the most fun no question for

45:05

me. Yeah, and it became

45:08

very huge Yeah, and

45:11

I mean as it is today sure so

45:14

It's it's all Lauren.

45:17

Yeah. He's the man who yeah

45:20

put it together and stayed with it

45:22

walking around Years ago years

45:25

and Lauren's still there and looks exactly

45:27

the same and says the same, you know, thanks

45:29

Yeah, well, that's what struck me when I interviewed him Is that

45:32

like he's really a guy that you know goes to

45:34

work every day and walks around those halls

45:36

for 50 years, dude I know I

45:38

know it's it's odd to me in a way

45:40

Yeah, but I am a New Yorker and you

45:43

know, I was happy getting out of the city He

45:45

was happy getting in I guess I don't know how to

45:47

read it. Yeah

45:48

I read did I hear like I something

45:51

in my brain tells me that I heard that used

45:53

to a You have a brain I do. Yeah,

45:55

sometimes it's working. I feel like it's kind of on top

45:57

of it today I'm navigating, you know rough

46:00

waters with Mr. Chase here.

46:05

Go. Did you used to play poker

46:07

with Johnny Carson?

46:08

Yes, yes, good point. We

46:10

had a very funny it was at a

46:13

fellow named Dan Melnick, his apartment.

46:17

I used to work for him before doing

46:20

what? Well there was the Dave, what

46:23

show? Dave,

46:26

a huge star on television.

46:29

Letterman? Daytime. Oh. Before

46:32

that, way before that. Dave, big

46:35

Dave on TV during the day? I

46:37

don't know who that was.

46:39

Oh you do. I do? Yeah, Jay,

46:42

who was it?

46:44

Would you look it up sweetie? Yeah, during

46:46

the day Dave, not

46:48

Letterman, it was... She's

46:50

so beautiful.

46:52

Oh, that's sweet. We've been

46:54

together for a

46:55

long time. 43 years. Yeah, I

46:57

see your daughter quite frequently. Thank you. At

47:00

the comedy store? Somebody asked her. Yeah,

47:02

she's there playing piano. I know, I love her. Yeah,

47:05

you came by one night and you went on stage. I

47:07

might have. Yeah. You hadn't talked about some stuff? Maybe,

47:10

yeah. Yeah. Is that something

47:12

you want to do now? No, I believe now. No,

47:14

again? Yeah, I'll

47:16

be back. I'm back! Oh good,

47:19

we missed you. So, so

47:21

who else is at the table at Carson's house? I want to

47:23

know. Dan Melnick from the Dave

47:25

show.

47:27

Now you're hurting my... Oh, you'll

47:29

be alright. No, look at my hands. I'm sorry

47:31

buddy. Barry

47:34

Diller. Barry Diller. Wow, power table.

47:36

Yeah, it was. Very funny. Johnny,

47:41

I sat right next to Johnny. Oh, Steve Martin.

47:46

So Steve was on my right, Johnny on my left. Oh

47:48

yeah. And the whole time Johnny played,

47:52

everybody else, you know, they look at their cards,

47:54

playing Texas Hold'em, I think. Sure.

47:59

the whole time he'd be going, and

48:02

I went on one on the day. I

48:06

was sure I was in the meeting maybe.

48:08

Johnny?

48:09

Yeah. Yeah. You're

48:12

mumbling again.

48:14

He just

48:16

did it? Yeah. And he

48:18

did not really know. It was just part of his

48:21

thing. That poor guy had been on TV for what, 100

48:23

years? At least. With these

48:25

guests. No wonder he's mumbling to himself.

48:28

Some of the worst guests in history. Everybody.

48:31

Yeah. You're gonna hit a few bad ones.

48:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, who talked you

48:35

into doing a talk show? What

48:38

talk show? I'm sorry, did I, oh,

48:41

is that that whole chunk of Johnny? Oh, that thing. Oh,

48:43

oh, oh, oh. You conveniently forgot that

48:46

period? I don't know. Who talked you

48:48

into doing a talk show? Yeah. Some

48:51

age. I don't know. Yeah. And

48:53

did you, I loved the idea, yes, because

48:56

I'd seen David. Sure.

48:59

A letterman. I was so bad. So

49:02

I didn't really know what to do. I

49:04

couldn't understand how they asked the questions

49:06

they did. So I didn't have

49:08

a chart in front of me, what to ask.

49:11

Yeah. So I'd say, how are, like Bob

49:13

De Niro, is that my first guest? Bob De Niro,

49:15

the guy who doesn't talk? Yeah. He

49:17

doesn't, he didn't talk to him. He loves me. He

49:19

talks more now. I love him. No, he's

49:21

great. Yeah, he's a wonderful man. But he didn't use

49:24

to talk much on talk shows. He didn't like doing them.

49:26

No. He liked me. Yeah.

49:29

So he was my first guest. Yeah. I remember his

49:31

answers were somewhat, you know. Yeah. You're

49:33

just quick. Like yes. Yeah. No.

49:37

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. That

49:39

kind of stuff. Well, Bob, I'm so glad

49:41

you came on the, I mean, Robert. Yeah. So

49:44

glad you came on the show. What have you been up to?

49:46

Yeah. Nothing. Nothing.

49:50

That's great. Oh,

49:52

that's it. I don't have any more questions. Yeah. Can

49:55

we go to a commercial? Yeah.

49:58

Yeah.

49:59

you like did you know going

50:02

in that you were gonna have a hard time or did I didn't know

50:04

I know myself I just thought I'd be the

50:06

best yeah I was right as

50:08

bad as it can be because I

50:10

didn't know what I had no idea

50:13

what to do I didn't ask anybody yeah

50:15

all these other guys David and sure

50:18

and what's his name yeah you know

50:20

they had right in front of them all

50:22

the questions all the statements

50:24

everything written yeah not me

50:27

I was gonna wing it yeah and I bet you

50:30

fought for that oh I don't remember

50:32

yeah like I'm not I don't need card I don't need

50:34

that yeah I'm just gonna talk to these people

50:36

that's right oh boy that's not

50:38

awful would you like something to drink yeah please no

50:40

I'm fine I'm not talking to you I'm

50:43

sorry I'm sorry I thought we were improvising I know wait

50:45

let me have a drink yeah liquid death

50:48

it's just water yeah

50:49

so that

50:53

didn't work out were you mad about it

50:55

I don't think I was

50:57

mad you just felt bad I don't

51:00

think I felt bad yeah I

51:02

just wanted out you

51:05

were done yeah I

51:07

got it yeah this is not my genre

51:09

yeah and you earn the hard way

51:11

in front of people and what if I really wanted

51:14

to talk and add you know it wouldn't be

51:16

on TV

51:17

yeah he just in my living room or something you can

51:20

just do this you want to co-host with me next

51:22

week you just come by every week absolutely and

51:24

we'll have the celebrities in and I'll be here that

51:27

would be funny yeah get Lorraine and yeah

51:30

sure she's been on no good

51:32

yeah yeah she's been on who

51:34

else from that acroids been on Danny

51:37

yeah he's the best he is the best right

51:39

he is my

51:41

dearest friend I love him dearly

51:43

maybe

51:45

the funniest guy I can think of really and like

51:48

what are like Ian Christopher guest both I

51:50

mean hilarious people totally and

51:52

like like yeah his brain goes a mile a minute

51:54

I think we got into well what's this thing is

51:56

the UFOs what do we what do we know that's it that's

51:59

it right there Well,

52:01

you know, on Twine or Carc You know, just

52:03

endless. And

52:06

he believes it. That's the funny part. Yeah,

52:09

well, you know, you've got to believe in something, I guess. We're

52:11

not all here because of that. You're

52:14

selling vodka, too. He's got vodka.

52:17

Oh, that's right. He's selling vodka. I don't think he drinks it. He

52:19

had a vodka racket going for a while. It's huge. But it's

52:21

huge. I think it made him very rich. Yeah,

52:24

I think it's... well, the... Maybe

52:26

it still is. House of Blues, too, right? He

52:28

did? Oh, yeah. Blues Brothers.

52:31

Sure. And then he bought the club. And

52:33

then he bought the club. It was horrible when John died. That

52:35

was terrible. To Dan, you know, obviously,

52:37

and to me. Horrible. Boy,

52:40

I was home. Yeah.

52:45

Janey was there. Yeah.

52:47

Door knock. Yeah.

52:49

And we were living in a closed-off area.

52:53

Yeah. And

52:55

it was like 11 or 12

52:56

reporters at the door.

52:58

And one said, what do

53:00

you think about John Belushi's death?

53:03

And I didn't know. That's how you found out? So that's

53:05

how I found out. That night? That morning.

53:08

Oh, my God. Yeah. And you

53:10

were out here? No, I was in Texas.

53:13

Yes, I was out here. That could have been New York. No,

53:15

I can't tell. I won't discuss it. Yeah, okay. But, yeah, it

53:17

was devastating.

53:18

I remember. I was in college.

53:21

I was level. It didn't surprise

53:23

me, quite frankly. He

53:25

had been doing, what

53:27

is it called? When

53:30

you combined cold- Speedballs. Speedballs.

53:33

Yeah. And, you

53:35

know, Janey and I would do it once in a while. Sure. Occasionally,

53:38

though, you have a problem. You know, it's just- Yeah. Yeah.

53:46

Anyway, yeah, he'd been doing the

53:49

worst possible thing. And, you

53:51

know, he'd just add a little more smack.

53:54

Yeah, sure. Sure. And it's even better,

53:56

and then bam, he'd be dead. But

53:59

everyone seemed to know. it was happening.

54:02

I think so. And no one can stop him. I believe

54:04

that Robin was there and Bob don't

54:07

Bob earlier in the evening yeah Bob

54:09

DeNiro. They were there earlier in the evening

54:11

and probably partaking in

54:14

some fashion it wasn't unusual to

54:16

do a little blow but I think once I

54:18

know it wasn't unusual but I don't think they were you

54:21

know real well I don't know about

54:23

Robin if I know Bob is not a big blowhead.

54:26

Yeah well I mean it was around

54:28

but I think it just got dark you know

54:30

and they split. That was dark

54:32

that was it. Yeah. For everybody I

54:34

mean it was just hideous. Yeah.

54:36

Poor guy. What about you? You

54:39

never what were your struggles with booze and

54:41

stuff? I had none. Okay good that's

54:43

what I heard. I'm glad you asked that.

54:45

I want to straighten that out. I

54:48

was very very boozed up for

54:51

what 40 years?

54:52

Okay

54:55

that's your answer. Boozed up.

54:58

But you got you got it coming. You cleaned up. Well

55:02

man. So did you. I did. I've been 24

55:04

years.

55:05

Well I got longer than you buddy. You do? Oh

55:08

yeah 40. No.

55:10

Ask Jamie. 40 years with no booze?

55:13

Yeah.

55:13

She stopped me smoking

55:15

and drinking. That

55:18

doesn't look like a yes. A

55:24

few years. I think she's so full up.

55:27

I just met her. But you love

55:30

her. That's what's important. I love her deeply. It's interesting

55:32

to have just met somebody and have several children you know

55:35

just appear. All right so let's go back. Now

55:37

we're getting places.

55:40

Oh I see. That's what kind of person you are.

55:42

Yeah. Let me. Do you know Jim

55:44

Gaffigan the comic? Funny guy. And

55:47

he was talking we were talking about comedy. We were

55:49

talking about stars and about this

55:52

idea that some people the

55:54

way he put it he said some people touch the Sun

55:56

and they never

55:58

quite come back from that.

56:01

Whatever that means. Exactly. What

56:04

it means is that, you know,

56:06

the level of, you know,

56:08

you were the biggest star in the world for

56:11

a while. And like,

56:14

how did that fuck with your head ultimately,

56:16

you know, coming, you know, in the arc of it? You

56:19

know what? It didn't. It

56:22

didn't. What do you think the biggest movies were, was

56:24

the vacation movie, right? You think that the first vaca-

56:26

or Fletch? Yeah, but by then I had done like,

56:28

I think four vacations. Already? You'd

56:31

done Caddyshack in 80? Oh yeah. And

56:34

then in 83 you did Vacation.

56:37

And then Fletch was in 85. Okay.

56:40

And you did that weird movie with Friedkin.

56:42

The middle of the century, yeah. Was it you and

56:44

Gregory Hines? Yes. Right.

56:48

How was that experience? Oh. You

56:51

know, I mean Bill Friedkin. Yeah.

56:53

He directed Exorcist. Sure. And

56:56

he had a huge connection. Yeah. Yeah.

56:59

So brilliant director. Not

57:01

particularly happy guy. Yeah.

57:04

And comedy not necessarily as 4K? No.

57:07

Not at all. And I mean,

57:13

I'll make that decision. That's the kind of

57:15

thing that Bill would say. But

57:18

we were close. And

57:23

I thought he was, you know, a brilliant director,

57:25

but I didn't think the movie was very good, frankly. I

57:27

don't think anybody had a great experience. No. Yeah.

57:31

Mr. Gorny didn't, that's for sure. Yeah. Not

57:33

happy. No. I talked to

57:35

her. No, he scared her. Oh yeah.

57:38

He's an intense guy. Yeah.

57:40

But you're intense. Somewhat. Yeah.

57:43

He doesn't fuck with me. And what about

57:45

hosting the Academy Awards twice? I didn't realize that

57:47

until I read them. I kind of remember it though. Oh,

57:49

that was great. You remember it? Yeah.

57:53

Good times.

57:54

Sure. What could be funnier?

57:56

What could be more fun than hosting the Academy

57:58

Awards? Actually,

58:00

I did it with Pryor, too. So

58:03

Richard, man. Richard Pryor. But the

58:05

first one I came out, the

58:07

first thing I said was, settle

58:10

down, Jack. Jack

58:13

was always up front. Yeah. Yeah.

58:16

And it's just the worst thing to do because poor Jack was on

58:18

camera immediately. Yeah. He

58:20

was doing what? What I do. With his

58:23

glasses. Yeah. Yeah. But

58:26

then Richard came out the

58:28

second time we did it. And

58:30

said, this was his opening.

58:33

No black man has ever won anything.

58:35

Isn't that brilliant?

58:39

Anything. Not

58:42

an Oscar, not an Emmy, not anything.

58:46

It was just wonderful. Yeah, he was

58:48

great. I loved him. Was he on

58:50

the first season of SNL? Yes. Yes,

58:52

he was.

58:53

So that was the first time you met him? Yeah.

58:56

Yeah. He's pretty funny. So funny,

58:59

right? Yeah. Live wire. He

59:01

did this a bit where

59:02

he showed the difference between white people and black people.

59:05

That's right. You did that thing with the word association. Oh,

59:07

with that I wrote for us. Yeah.

59:10

But he did another thing which was

59:12

where he's just walking along and

59:15

he says, this is white people when

59:17

there's a snake. Yeah. And

59:19

he went, I don't know. Yeah.

59:21

And he says, and this is black people. Snake. Snake.

59:24

Yeah. Snake. But yeah,

59:27

the word association,

59:28

that was a lot of fun. And that was

59:30

big. Yeah. It was huge. I

59:33

went for everything. I went for all of it. Yeah.

59:36

Yeah. And he was game and he did it. Oh

59:38

yeah. Yeah. Dead monkey.

59:41

Right. It was funny, man. Right.

59:44

Yeah. Did you hang out with him at all out here? A little

59:46

bit. Yeah. Yeah.

59:49

I loved him. I thought he was great.

59:51

Yeah. He was somebody I looked up to. Oh

59:53

yeah. Yeah, for sure. And what about

59:55

Steve Martin? We made

59:57

three amigos together. How fun was that? Right.

1:00:01

Yeah? Yeah, I loved those two. And

1:00:03

very, very funny guys. They're

1:00:06

doing whatever they're doing now. I had a march

1:00:08

maybe once or so, but they're

1:00:11

having very big success. Yeah, well,

1:00:13

you know, they're funny. I miss them. I

1:00:15

mean, I wish I were doing it with them. But

1:00:19

they're great. Did you go over there

1:00:21

and tell them to just let you on? No.

1:00:24

Yeah, that's great. I want

1:00:27

on. I want in. No. No,

1:00:31

no, no. But I think the funny

1:00:33

thing about the three is you

1:00:36

each have a very sort of defined style. So

1:00:39

the comedy between you, it

1:00:41

almost kind of writes itself, right? Yeah. I

1:00:44

mean, was it- I was very physical. And

1:00:47

I wrote part of the movie here and there.

1:00:50

I think that I had

1:00:51

something to do with the singing bush and the

1:00:54

invisible swordsman. Yeah. But

1:00:57

where they discovered them, the invisible

1:01:00

bush, I mean, the singing bush, which

1:01:02

is brilliant because it was Randy,

1:01:05

you know, the great musician- Newman.

1:01:08

Randy. Yeah, Newman. Who

1:01:10

wrote the music for it and then sang it. Yeah. And

1:01:13

it just went on and on and on. Oh, how did

1:01:15

they do the one? They said,

1:01:18

Daisy, Daisy. You know, just

1:01:20

endless. It just didn't stop. So

1:01:23

what a great idea. A singing bush that never

1:01:25

stops singing. What are you going to do, burn it? Yeah.

1:01:29

And then the invisible swordsman where

1:01:32

Marty reaches down and takes its pulse.

1:01:34

Yeah, yeah. But there's nothing there. Sure. Like

1:01:38

that one. Yeah. Wonderful.

1:01:40

Yeah. And I'm in the background doing physical. I'm

1:01:43

on a horse holding their horses.

1:01:46

And so I don't know if anybody noticed mine. Yeah.

1:01:49

But I had their horses. I'm on my horse. Yeah.

1:01:52

And I'm on my horse and on to Steve's

1:01:54

horse. Mm hmm. But now I'm backwards.

1:01:57

Yeah. And I'm just like this. beautiful

1:02:00

physical joke. It's funny, yeah. Yeah, I

1:02:02

loved it. You had the good physical timing.

1:02:05

What? Getting

1:02:11

on, how many vacation movies? Your

1:02:14

wife told me that the Christmas vacation

1:02:16

is still a big deal. I think it is.

1:02:18

Yeah, it's like it's become a seasonal favorite.

1:02:21

Could be. People enjoy it. Yeah. I

1:02:23

mean, it looks like you've made like a hundred movies, Chevy.

1:02:26

I don't know.

1:02:27

Do you like... Probably 50-year. Yeah.

1:02:30

I don't remember any more than six of

1:02:32

them. Really? Yeah.

1:02:34

Which ones? Which

1:02:37

are your favorites? Vacation, Caddyshack. Yeah. It

1:02:39

seems like old times. Spies

1:02:42

like us. Yeah. Fletch. Yeah.

1:02:46

I don't know. Oh, Christmas vacation. Yeah. Rodney

1:02:49

Dangerfield.

1:02:50

Caddyshack.

1:02:51

Good times with Rodney? No, not really.

1:02:55

No, he was... Well, let me tell you this. Yeah.

1:02:58

He's dead now, so I can't say anything. Everyone's almost

1:03:00

dead. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah.

1:03:03

He said that made me feel great. Yeah. I

1:03:06

just wanted... That's all I'm trying to do here. Okay. Yeah.

1:03:09

But where I... The first time... The

1:03:11

first shot in that movie. Yeah. What's

1:03:15

the movie? Caddyshack. Caddyshack. Yeah.

1:03:18

It was me and Rodney on... Michael.

1:03:22

Michael O'Keefe. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway,

1:03:24

it's on the T. So it's the last

1:03:27

shot of the movie. Mm-hmm. It's

1:03:29

on... I mean, on the green. Yeah, yeah,

1:03:31

yeah, yeah. Anyway. After

1:03:34

the shot, Rodney

1:03:36

gets in my golf

1:03:39

cart. I'm driving him back to

1:03:42

the... Yeah. Remember, this is the first

1:03:44

opening of the movie. And he says, So

1:03:48

where's all the little boys? Where's the blowjobs?

1:03:51

I swear to God. It was the most...

1:03:53

I thought it was hilarious on the one

1:03:55

hand. On the other hand, a little

1:03:57

suspicious. I didn't know how to take

1:03:59

it.

1:03:59

I'm sure

1:04:02

he's just making a joke. I don't think

1:04:04

so. I think so. Well, look, let's think

1:04:06

about it. How

1:04:08

could he come up with little boys? Well,

1:04:10

he's hideous. But it's like Michael

1:04:13

O'Donohue here. It's like you say something to shock somebody.

1:04:15

I guess. Yeah. He

1:04:17

was pretty odd. Well, it's

1:04:19

funny because

1:04:21

later on, everybody

1:04:25

was taking coke on a little bit. Yeah,

1:04:28

sure. It's a big deal,

1:04:30

but... Just enough. ...smoking pot. Just

1:04:33

enough. Yeah, everybody's sort of high. And

1:04:37

I got a knock on my door

1:04:39

when I was in bed. Yeah. And

1:04:42

I said, yeah, yeah. Come on

1:04:44

in. And my door's never

1:04:46

locked in. It's Bill and Brian. Yeah,

1:04:49

the Murray and... Yeah. Hey, Jeff,

1:04:51

you got any coke? No.

1:04:55

No. But... You

1:04:57

did. They got it next door. Yeah, yeah.

1:04:59

Rodney. They got it in a Rodney store. Come

1:05:02

in. You know, whatever. Yeah. They

1:05:04

go in. Rodney.

1:05:07

Got any coke?

1:05:08

Yeah. Got any pot? Yeah. Oh,

1:05:10

yeah.

1:05:11

See that

1:05:14

bag right there? And literally the paper bag

1:05:16

right in front of them. Yeah. Take

1:05:18

it. Enjoy. Yeah.

1:05:22

Oh, geez. Oh, it seems like filled with... Coke

1:05:24

and pot? Well, pot. Yeah, yeah. And

1:05:26

then the bag and they, I think, go down to the sort

1:05:28

of entryway or whatever in the dorm.

1:05:32

Open it up and it's all seeds. It's

1:05:36

Rodney's joke. Yeah. Very

1:05:38

funny joke. How are you and Murray? You all

1:05:41

right? Really? Yeah.

1:05:43

Yeah. How's he doing, Ari? I don't

1:05:46

know. Yeah. It's hard

1:05:48

to know. He's a different type.

1:05:49

Yeah. So, you know, my life is really my

1:05:53

wife and my kids. I

1:05:56

mean,

1:05:56

to be...

1:05:57

We were just talking about this. Yeah. And

1:05:59

love.

1:05:59

for 40 some

1:06:02

years. Sure.

1:06:03

It's a big deal. It is. It's so

1:06:05

lucky. Yeah. But that's us. And

1:06:08

so we really enjoy our lives and

1:06:10

our children are great. So you know that I know

1:06:12

it seems silly for like a big star

1:06:15

this and that. Yeah. But it's not like I

1:06:17

enjoy going on cruises and yeah.

1:06:20

Yeah. You know this is my life.

1:06:22

I love it. But is it something you had to come

1:06:24

to or you always felt that way? No, I

1:06:26

think we've always. Yeah.

1:06:29

I don't know that I ever wanted anything more

1:06:31

in life than what I have. Yeah.

1:06:34

I'd like more money. Yeah. What

1:06:37

am I getting for this? I see

1:06:39

how much I got. Okay. I mean I probably

1:06:41

got a few 20s. You

1:06:43

have three? Yeah. I can do 60. I can

1:06:45

go enough. Okay. You mean gas money?

1:06:47

Janie, how much gas money do you need? But

1:06:51

it seems like outside of doing all the movies, you

1:06:53

know, like when you got community

1:06:55

that was a big deal, right?

1:06:57

Oh. I

1:06:59

mean I kind of forget about that. They

1:07:01

wanted Chevy Chase. Right. They wanted

1:07:03

me. So I said okay.

1:07:06

It was a talented bunch of people. Yeah.

1:07:08

Yeah. I honestly

1:07:11

felt the show wasn't funny enough for me.

1:07:14

Ultimately. Was it because it was a different kind of show

1:07:16

or you just thought in general? Well,

1:07:19

I felt a little bit

1:07:20

constrained

1:07:23

a bit. Yeah. Everybody had their

1:07:26

bits and stuff and I thought they

1:07:28

were all good but

1:07:30

it just wasn't hard

1:07:32

hitting enough for me. You

1:07:34

didn't love the character? I didn't

1:07:37

mind the character. Yeah. I just felt happier

1:07:39

being alone in a sense. I just didn't want to be

1:07:41

surrounded by that table

1:07:51

every day with those people. Yeah.

1:07:53

It was too much.

1:07:56

Harman's intense. Dan

1:07:59

Harman. Yes.

1:07:59

Yeah, that's right. That's right.

1:08:02

He was, yeah. But you guys are okay

1:08:04

now. I don't know. I haven't seen him since then.

1:08:07

Yeah. I have no idea if we're okay. Yeah, yeah,

1:08:09

yeah. I've never been not okay. Yeah.

1:08:11

He's kind of a pisser. Yeah. He

1:08:14

was angry. Yeah. Yeah, he called

1:08:16

and said he was sorry. Yeah. I love him now.

1:08:20

Well, I... What does he do? Let

1:08:22

me ask you, are Phil doing this stuff? Yeah, he does

1:08:25

things. You know, he's possessed

1:08:27

with something. Yeah. But let

1:08:29

me ask you. Well, put.

1:08:31

With,

1:08:32

you know, in retrospect, I think we've had, you

1:08:34

know, and we're having a nice conversation. But

1:08:37

how do you, when you look back,

1:08:40

how do you contextualize, no, not

1:08:44

now, don't look back now. Oh, sorry. Okay. That,

1:08:46

you know, people found you, you know,

1:08:48

difficult and angry and intense.

1:08:51

I mean... What people? General people.

1:08:53

What general people? The

1:08:55

people that talk. I don't think people really talk that

1:08:58

way. You don't? That I

1:09:00

was what? Like when we did the roast, 2002,

1:09:03

you know, I had my experience with that. But

1:09:06

you, so you think that in retrospect that,

1:09:09

you know, whatever people have, I don't think

1:09:11

people knew me on that roast. Yeah. But

1:09:14

in general, do you think they knew you? Oh,

1:09:17

yeah, I'm sure. Or they wouldn't

1:09:19

be on it. I mean, they... But I mean, in

1:09:22

the sort of the... Because, I mean, you've had this... What are

1:09:24

you trying to get away with here? What am

1:09:26

I trying to get away with? But I mean, sort of like, are

1:09:28

you a bad shit book? Are

1:09:30

you a fuck? No. Okay, thank

1:09:32

you. Are you a fuck? Yes.

1:09:36

I'm a good one.

1:09:38

No, no. Yeah,

1:09:42

I mean, obviously, they knew who I was. I

1:09:44

don't know what my reputation was of people.

1:09:46

Yeah. I just always assumed

1:09:48

I was okay. Yeah.

1:09:50

And you got friends for years. Yes,

1:09:53

I do. So what are you gonna

1:09:56

do? Have you thought about going

1:09:58

out and... doing

1:10:00

any live performing now? Absolutely.

1:10:03

What do you got in mind? Well I do it for

1:10:06

the last few years. I go, I'm

1:10:08

about to go

1:10:10

to maybe 12 different

1:10:13

cities. Yeah. Sometimes

1:10:15

it's a library

1:10:18

or university or whatever. It's usually about 3,000

1:10:21

people. Yeah. We show, we

1:10:23

have in the past shown Chris's

1:10:26

Vacation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They come and

1:10:28

see that and then I come out. Yeah. And

1:10:30

answer questions. Yeah. And they love that.

1:10:32

Yeah. I find it's a lot of fun. It's

1:10:34

fun, right? Yeah. Yeah. Have

1:10:37

you ever thought about doing one of those shows where you kind of like

1:10:39

put together a career arc of clips,

1:10:42

you know, and kind of show different pieces like

1:10:44

you show them. No, somebody else can do that. I,

1:10:46

yeah. There is a group that did a

1:10:48

documentary of who's the bike

1:10:51

bicyclist? Lance Armstrong. Lance Armstrong.

1:10:53

Yeah. He did that and another one. They're

1:10:56

doing one of me. I haven't started

1:10:58

yet really. That'll be fun.

1:11:00

And I'd love

1:11:02

to make another picture. Yeah. But

1:11:04

I can't come up with any ideas that

1:11:07

satisfy me. Yeah. I've

1:11:09

written several little things. Oh yeah? Like

1:11:13

what? Well, it's none of your business. No,

1:11:15

come on, pitch me. No. All right. I've

1:11:18

forgotten already. But

1:11:21

you're still trying to kick around ideas? Yeah,

1:11:24

but I'm that way anyway. I generally like

1:11:26

to write every day a little bit. Really? Yeah,

1:11:29

that's good. Yeah, I like to

1:11:32

watch TV and write. What are you watching?

1:11:35

I'm watching mostly,

1:11:38

I like to watch Bob Barker. And I

1:11:40

think those days are over. Oh

1:11:43

shit.

1:11:45

He had a good run though, Bob.

1:11:48

Actually, wasn't it like 40 years

1:11:50

or something? He was 99. Yeah,

1:11:52

yeah, it's

1:11:53

crazy. Unbelievable.

1:11:56

Did you ever meet him? No, I don't think so. Oh,

1:11:58

that would have been a great

1:11:59

great team up. I don't think so.

1:12:02

You and Bob Barker. No, not really. It'd

1:12:04

be funny. Sure. I'm surprised you didn't

1:12:06

satirize Bob Barker. Yeah. You are.

1:12:10

Okay. Yeah. That would have been

1:12:12

funny. That's where I don't stand. So, okay.

1:12:15

So, in looking back again, what

1:12:18

were some of the... What do you

1:12:20

think were your best comedic

1:12:22

moments?

1:12:24

That's a pretty interviewy question, but I mean, there's got

1:12:26

to be some where you're like, that was fucking good. Like

1:12:28

you talked about Three Amigos. That sounded amazing.

1:12:31

Yeah. Goldie Hawn, that was great. Yeah.

1:12:34

Yeah. I didn't find that so great. I

1:12:36

mean, I love her. But you like her, yeah. Yeah. She

1:12:40

was great, but that's not my style really.

1:12:42

Is it still the original SNL, you think? Probably,

1:12:46

yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

1:12:50

I loved that. I think that was... Well,

1:12:52

obviously it's more recent and most memorable for

1:12:54

me. Yeah. I

1:12:57

mean, if I think back, it

1:13:00

goes a long way back. Sure. And

1:13:02

I talk about with Ken Shapiro and Groove

1:13:04

too. Yeah. Going from that

1:13:06

to on and on with comedy. So

1:13:11

was it fun working with Beverly DeAngelo?

1:13:14

Who's that? Didn't she play your wife in Vacation?

1:13:17

Okay. Yeah.

1:13:19

Beverly's a beaut. Yeah.

1:13:22

Good times. Excellent actress.

1:13:24

Yeah. Excellent actress. How

1:13:27

about voices? You're going to do more voices?

1:13:29

Good. Excellent. What

1:13:31

do you mean? Why do you do animation stuff? Oh,

1:13:34

no. I'll do whatever comes

1:13:36

along. I don't feel... Pressured.

1:13:40

I don't feel...

1:13:42

Huh? Pressured. Well,

1:13:45

I'm not pressured. Yeah. But

1:13:47

I don't even feel the pressure that I need to.

1:13:50

Oh, right. I mean, I think that I've made my... You've

1:13:53

done your bit? No.

1:13:57

I'll never stop. But I'm

1:13:59

not getting... offers right now that are particularly

1:14:03

interesting. It's just a

1:14:05

different world. I guess.

1:14:08

I mean there's a whole new

1:14:10

tribe of comics.

1:14:15

None of whom are funny, but there

1:14:17

you are. You

1:14:20

still got it. Yeah, I

1:14:22

guess I do. I still got

1:14:24

it. Well, thanks for coming over. This is heavy,

1:14:26

man. What is it? It's a slide. That was given

1:14:28

to me by... whose name

1:14:30

is on it. It's for

1:14:33

playing slide guitar. Let me see. It's

1:14:35

that dude. It is? Yeah.

1:14:38

Yeah. Ron Hanson. No.

1:14:41

It's... I don't know what that is. It's

1:14:43

Ben Harper.

1:14:44

Oh, there you are. Yeah, he's very good. He's very good. Sure.

1:14:47

And you still play music pretty regularly? I do. Okay.

1:14:49

Well, it seems like you're good. All the time. It

1:14:51

seems like you're well. I am. You know,

1:14:54

your health is okay.

1:14:55

My health is great. You came through the tunnel.

1:14:58

I've been knocking on wood, but I have

1:15:00

very good health. Did it get scary for a while? When?

1:15:04

Yeah. I know you had some health trouble,

1:15:07

but you came out all right. Did it change it? Well, that's right. My heart

1:15:09

failed. Almost. I had heart

1:15:11

failure. Yeah. I didn't even notice it,

1:15:14

honestly. Really? Yeah.

1:15:16

You just went to the doctor and he's like, oh. Well,

1:15:18

yeah. They put me in the hospital. I still didn't

1:15:20

notice it. Oh, so you didn't like, you know, do you? I

1:15:23

kind of came back to home. I never noticed it.

1:15:25

But you're okay now. Yeah. I don't notice it. All

1:15:27

right. Well, it was an

1:15:30

honor talking to you. I enjoyed it. I hope you had

1:15:32

a pretty good time. I had a great time. It's really

1:15:34

nice to meet you and talk to you.

1:15:36

Okay, man. So, what's your name? Mark.

1:15:39

Thank you. No, no. Thank you.

1:15:46

Okay. A little more happened

1:15:48

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I don't know if I see myself

1:16:31

as an underachiever in terms of what I've actually

1:16:33

accomplished. I do see myself

1:16:35

as an underachiever in terms of what I think I

1:16:37

should have or could have accomplished. But those

1:16:40

don't really count because I've accomplished

1:16:42

a lot in the sense that

1:16:44

I don't know that I've overachieved, but I have achieved

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exactly what I wanted to do. I

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don't know if it's what I hoped I would do, but

1:16:51

I've sort of slowly done

1:16:54

most of the things that I was interested in and

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1:17:01

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1:17:03

of my ego is as big as I hoped it would be,

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but I have actually somehow

1:17:08

managed to do almost

1:17:10

all the things that I set out to do

1:17:13

when I got into show business, i.e.

1:17:16

having my own show, doing stand-up comedy,

1:17:19

directing some episodes of

1:17:21

that show, playing music,

1:17:26

acting in movies.

1:17:29

Well, obviously, this podcast, but

1:17:32

that was an outlier. I didn't

1:17:34

expect this to happen at all. So

1:17:36

I guess I have achieved exactly

1:17:38

what I wanted to. I don't

1:17:42

know if hoped is a good word, because

1:17:44

I'm not sure I have framed it properly most

1:17:46

days, that I feel like I

1:17:48

could have not done more, but

1:17:51

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