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right, let's do this. How are you? What

2:00

the fuck, buddy? What the fuck, Nick? What's

2:02

happening? I'm Mark Maron. This is my podcast.

2:05

Welcome to it. I imagine

2:07

most of you have been here before, but

2:09

if you're new, welcome. I don't

2:12

know if you listened, but I reposted my Wayne

2:14

Kramer episode. The amazing

2:16

Wayne Kramer passed away a couple

2:19

days ago, one of the great

2:21

guitar players, a very important guitar

2:23

player and a very important band

2:25

who had thoroughly lived

2:27

all nine of his lives.

2:29

What an amazing guy that

2:31

guy was. He spent time

2:33

in prison, did a lot of charity work for

2:35

the prisons, and if you really think

2:38

about it, the MC5, that was really the

2:40

beginning of it. That was the

2:42

beginning of what became American punk rock

2:44

music. With

2:46

no MC5, there's no Iggy Pop,

2:49

and on through New York in the

2:51

70s and everything else. I just really

2:54

love that guy, and I saw the MC5

2:56

on their last tour. I can't remember the

2:58

guy who was singing, but it was really something.

3:01

It's a really amazing thing. I'm

3:03

not a great guitar player, and

3:05

it's an interesting thing what determines whether

3:08

someone is great at anything. A

3:10

lot of times, it's not about virtuosity.

3:13

It's a weird thing I notice

3:15

as I get older, that it's

3:19

more about communicating your

3:22

particular emotions, feelings, intent,

3:26

voice, anything. Whatever instrument you play, because

3:29

if you really listen to some of

3:31

the greatest musicians or comedians or look

3:34

at some of the greatest artists or

3:36

any of it, that

3:38

it's really about finding

3:40

your voice, your sound, whatever

3:43

it is that you lock

3:45

into to communicate your

3:47

truth is what makes somebody great,

3:50

is what makes somebody a Brilliant

3:53

artist or a genius artist.

3:55

Sometimes It's only three chords.

3:57

Sometimes It's only a few.

3:59

Unite! Sometimes it's only one

4:02

style of painting, Sometimes it's

4:04

only one book, Sometimes it's

4:06

only a couple of movies.

4:09

He. Start to realize back in the

4:11

day before the word content was

4:13

even. Thought. Of. As.

4:16

A delivery device of.

4:19

Quote. Unquote self expression.

4:22

That there are people. Who.

4:24

Who maybe did one amazing novel? but

4:26

it is. So. Amazing. So

4:28

transcendent or singular that that was really

4:31

that. I mean I can't speak to

4:33

the lives that some artists with I

4:35

think only done one thing and they

4:37

they never quite were able to do

4:40

another thing again. But what they left

4:42

was amazing. And whether or not people

4:44

know that or not or whether or

4:47

not as generations past they understand or

4:49

contextualize or even listen reader, look at

4:51

or. Or. Feel what that

4:54

artist put out there might get

4:56

lost entirely, but that doesn't. That.

4:59

Doesn't diminish. It's importance is because time

5:01

moves on, because something truly horrendous is

5:03

happening in in a lot of ways.

5:06

In terms of art, an expression that

5:08

it really is about numbers. It's about

5:10

quakes. It's about the draw. The it

5:12

seems that the idea of creativity in

5:15

terms of what success means or what

5:17

winning means as is how much money

5:19

comes and how many quick see Guess

5:22

it's really about the size. It's really

5:24

about. Capitalism. It's really

5:26

about everything that in some ways

5:28

True Art was working outside of

5:30

and I don't know what happened.

5:32

saw them marginal geniuses out in

5:34

the world anymore. I don't know

5:36

what happens. Sometimes they get appreciate

5:38

waiter or sometimes he. They just

5:40

become a piece of a bigger

5:42

puzzle that some people appreciate and

5:45

some people don't know until someone

5:47

says hey, go listen to that.

5:49

Go listen to M C Five, kick

5:51

out the gems, go put it in

5:53

the contacts. And then again, most people

5:55

may never even get that contexts. Very

5:57

strange thing. As. a know,

6:00

AI and technology and the

6:02

facility and ability

6:04

for individuals to operate in different

6:07

delivery systems and work their asses

6:09

off to constantly sort of infuse

6:11

themselves into the cultural dialogue or

6:14

try to. What

6:16

gets lost is some

6:18

essence of truth

6:21

and some essence of real

6:23

expression that is sometimes so

6:26

simple and sometimes so

6:28

singular and sometimes very

6:30

fleeting. It's not about how many

6:32

you can get up there, how many you can

6:34

shoot, how many you can do. Whatever it is,

6:37

it was not about

6:39

that. It was

6:41

about your persistence and your need

6:44

to express yourself in

6:46

a pure way that

6:48

connects with at least a

6:50

few people. It's not about

6:52

the numbers, man. Anyway,

6:55

welcome to the show, RIP

6:57

Wayne Kramer. Today on

7:00

the show, I talked to Lori Kilmartin who has

7:02

been on the show before. She

7:04

was on an episode, a full episode, 10 years

7:06

ago, episode 472 from February 2014. She's

7:10

been doing stand-ups since 1987. She

7:12

was a writer for Conan for years. She's

7:15

written bestselling books and she has a

7:17

new special, Sis Woke Grief Slut. Very

7:20

funny, always very funny, great

7:23

joke writer, intense person. And

7:25

oddly, I knew her up

7:27

here where I am now in San Francisco.

7:29

I first met Lori, she started up here

7:31

and we sort of came up together in

7:33

that period of my life. I

7:36

am in San Francisco. That's

7:38

why it sounds the way it does. And

7:41

I have very mixed feelings about

7:43

this place, not in an intellectual way.

7:45

I literally feel mixed feelings when

7:48

I'm up here. I don't know, I've

7:50

been reflecting a lot on these different periods of

7:52

my life because I start to realize as time goes

7:54

on, even though

7:56

I'm talking to a lot of people that have

7:58

fairly kind of... I

8:02

don't want to sound condescending, but some people

8:04

have structure in their lives that

8:06

they really hold on to and

8:08

they've chosen a certain path for themselves that

8:11

enables them to have a certain amount

8:13

of security and sense of family and

8:17

job regularity and all

8:19

those things that sort of justify a relatively

8:22

comfortable existence if that's what they're going

8:25

for. They want to be happy enough,

8:27

they want to do enough of what

8:29

they like to do and they

8:31

want to feel a certain amount of

8:33

connection and emotional love and support from

8:35

whatever family they're building. I mean there's

8:37

just a way of life and it's

8:40

not necessarily status quo, it's just completely

8:43

understandable but it's also not a life I

8:45

ever lived in my life. But

8:48

as I get older and as I do more

8:50

stage work I start to really think about what

8:53

is my life? You spend your time as a

8:55

comic talking to a general audience and

8:58

if you really start to think about

9:00

the people that you're talking to, yeah

9:02

we have emotional connection, we have similarities.

9:04

If you're a creative person, an angry

9:06

person, a hypersensitive person, a selfish person,

9:08

whatever it is that connects people to

9:10

me and my audience, I connect

9:12

with people but I do find that when

9:15

I really think about it my life is

9:18

bizarre and it always has

9:20

been. There's been several cities that I've lived

9:22

in, several periods of

9:24

drug use and not drug

9:26

use, several periods of relationships

9:28

with people, several hundred road

9:30

gigs. It's a strange thing,

9:33

the reality of the life of a

9:35

comic or of an artist where

9:38

you really are outside of the norm and then

9:40

you have to seek the broader

9:42

spectrum of people to be your

9:44

audience and to relate. I don't

9:47

think I've ever aspired to saying like, well here's a

9:49

life that everyone can relate to. I've had

9:51

to figure out how to do my comedy in a way that this

9:53

is what I think because I

9:55

know most of you are not going to

9:57

necessarily relate to my life. of

10:00

relationship, food, issues, drugs, trauma, but it's

10:02

not, I can't, you know, I don't

10:04

have the kids, I don't have the

10:07

wife, I don't have the job, I

10:09

don't have a sort of

10:11

consistency of emotion, but

10:15

I'm starting to realize I fucking, I lived

10:19

a life, I'll tell you that, and

10:22

it keeps going. Portland, Maine, I'm

10:24

at the State Theatre on Thursday,

10:26

March 7th, Medford, Massachusetts at

10:29

the Chevalier Theatre on Friday, March 8th,

10:31

Providence, Rhode Island at the Strand Theatre

10:33

on Saturday, March 9th, Tarrytown, New York

10:35

at the Tarrytown Music Hall on Sunday,

10:37

March 10th, Atlanta, Georgia, I'm at the

10:40

Buckhead Theatre on Friday, March 22nd, Madison,

10:42

Wisconsin at the Barrymore Theatre on

10:44

Wednesday, April 3rd, Milwaukee, Wisconsin at

10:47

the Turner Hall Ballroom on Thursday,

10:49

April 4th, Chicago at the Vic

10:51

Theatre on Friday, April 5th, Minneapolis

10:53

at the Pantages Theatre on Saturday, April

10:55

6th, Austin, Texas

10:57

at the Paramount Theatre on Thursday,

11:00

April 18th as part of the

11:02

Moon Tower Comedy Festival, you can

11:04

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11:06

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11:08

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11:11

know about you, but I when I drive, I

11:13

don't, it's weird, I don't listen to

11:15

anything. Is that weird? I mean, I'll listen to

11:17

a little music, but sometimes I'll just, I'll

11:19

just drive and think, and when I tell

11:22

people that they're like, what? And I'm like,

11:24

yeah, I don't even think to listen to

11:26

music. I just drive and think. It's a

11:28

meditative quality where, you know, there's

11:30

driving is innate if you've been doing it

11:33

all your life. So your body is sort

11:35

of taken care of and you your brain

11:37

can just go. It's almost meditative, but

11:40

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11:42

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11:45

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I get to San Francisco and it

12:47

feels not unlike many of the places I've been

12:49

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12:51

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12:54

feels a bit traumatic. There is this sort

12:56

of coming back to places that you were

12:58

before that had some baggage to them and

13:00

part of you goes back to that. I

13:02

had to do a show at the Castro,

13:04

last night, the Castro Theater. I've been here

13:06

several times, obviously, since, but I never felt

13:08

that they were as good as shows as

13:10

I could do. I kind of

13:12

blame the venues. It was kind of true. I

13:14

did a show at Symphony Hall many years ago,

13:16

which was huge. I did a show at the

13:18

Masonic, which was also huge. The Castro Theater is

13:21

this historic, amazing place. It seats about 1,400. We

13:24

sold it out. The

13:26

entire day, I was feeling like I

13:28

felt when I lived here. I don't know who I

13:30

am. What am I doing? Is

13:32

San Francisco connected? These people are so far

13:35

along in their self-discovery. I'm not going to

13:37

be able to connect. I literally

13:39

deconstructed my entire sense of

13:42

craft, self, and

13:44

I got into this strange,

13:48

hyper insecurity. Right

13:51

up to when I went on stage, I was with Taylor Williamson,

13:53

and I was like, fuck. He's like,

13:55

oh my God, you still go through this? Why

13:58

are you doing this? You're weird. I'm

14:00

like, no, sometimes this is the

14:03

process, man. And

14:05

I got out there and it was just,

14:07

it took a minute to get into it,

14:10

but like once I was in the groove

14:12

of what I do, it was like, oh

14:14

my God, I'm back here doing comedy in

14:16

a place that had a profound impact on

14:18

how I do comedy. And

14:20

you know, I kind of got in the

14:22

pocket and it was fucking great. It

14:25

was fucking great. The

14:27

Castro Theater is a beautiful venue. It's changing hands. It

14:29

was the last show that they were going to do

14:31

before the renovation. And it was one

14:33

of those situations where the guy's really excited about

14:36

the renovation. He showed, it was always a movie

14:38

theater. It was a silent theater that became a

14:40

sound theater. And there, he

14:42

showed me the screen behind the screen for

14:44

the original silent theater that

14:46

they eventually took out. And then

14:48

they punched holes into the walls

14:51

behind the original screen to put the

14:54

giant speakers in for the sound movie,

14:56

for the talkies. And they

14:58

found the old curtain that went over the original proscenium.

15:00

So they're going to do this amazing renovation. I know

15:02

it's a delicate point for

15:05

people in the city because of the history of

15:08

the area and of the city, but it

15:11

might be nice. I found it to be a beautifully

15:14

haunted old venue like many of them

15:16

are. And it felt like the Castro

15:18

was still, you know, just pumping and

15:20

vital and still, you

15:22

know, very gay and very

15:24

lively and really what

15:26

it's supposed to be. It wasn't daytime, but it

15:28

was nice to be back there. I hadn't been

15:31

in that theater since I saw movies there

15:33

when I lived here in the 90s. So

15:37

all in all, pretty good. Pretty

15:40

good trip. And my foot, I

15:42

was hobbling around with my boot. I'll tell you,

15:45

man, this boot business with the broken foot, it's

15:48

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15:51

feeling a little sedentary. Last week I

15:53

did exercise, but here's the one

15:55

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15:57

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16:02

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16:04

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16:07

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16:10

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16:12

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16:14

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16:16

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16:18

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16:20

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16:22

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So, Lori Kilmartin, I

17:30

love her. I've

17:33

worked with her on and off for years. She

17:37

was always there at Conan. She's opened

17:39

for me before. She's a great comic.

17:42

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17:44

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17:46

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17:48

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17:51

And this is me talking to my old friend,

17:53

Lori. Bye.

18:04

Most of the stuff that

18:06

was in that garage is upstairs in my

18:08

sort of office room in the house.

18:12

All the books and all that shit. Yeah. I

18:14

just, when I got to this place, I'm like, do I want to do that? Do I

18:16

want to put all that back out here? It

18:18

seemed organic in the other place. Right. So

18:21

now I just have random shit from the

18:23

old house. So it's without

18:25

context, but the desk looks

18:27

similar. Yes, it does. But

18:30

what do you do with all that stuff of

18:32

a lifetime? Throw it away. I

18:34

got that. You've gone through enough

18:36

deaths of people. What did you do with

18:39

it? It's more like my parents' stuff

18:41

and things that mean something to you, but

18:43

career stuff. I guess I have a lot

18:45

of laminates from festivals that I keep around

18:47

to Teddy Bear from my childhood. There's

18:50

not a ton of stuff, but you

18:52

have tons of cool memories from just

18:54

this podcast. Sure. And I

18:57

have all those laminates too. Like hundreds of them. And

18:59

they're hanging there, up there. And they

19:01

become, what I noticed in the old

19:03

garage is it started to

19:05

look like an unattended roadside

19:09

museum. Where

19:12

there's just cobwebs happening and

19:14

shit. People will

19:16

come by, talk to you for an hour, then leave.

19:18

Right. That's right. But all the

19:20

artifacts, we're just getting dusty and weird. Yeah, yeah,

19:22

yeah. And when I got them all out and

19:24

I cleaned them up, I mean, I still

19:27

like looking at them. But I wonder when

19:29

that shit loses meaning. I'm 60

19:31

and there's part of me that's sort of like,

19:34

is it time to just throw this shit out? Right.

19:37

But it will have meaning to other people that love

19:39

your podcast. I guess so. It will have

19:41

meaning. So what are you saying?

19:43

Maybe get the Smithsonian to step in? Yes.

19:47

The other bees have a WTF auction?

19:49

Come on. I've talked about my

19:52

... Because there are people that

19:54

do this. The

19:56

papers of somebody will be taken up. by

20:00

a college or a library or somebody catalogs

20:02

all this shit. Yeah. And I've

20:04

talked about it before, but and people have stepped up, you

20:06

know, I'm an archivist. I'll do it. I'm like, I don't

20:08

know, man. I was up in this attic. There's an attic

20:10

up in this garage, looking

20:13

at my old poetry and shit. I'm like, does

20:15

anyone need that? I'm not

20:17

even. No one needs it, but somebody wants

20:19

it. I don't know, man. And

20:22

then I, because that

20:24

guy Fine Arts is doing a doc

20:26

on me and we're going through stuff. I'm

20:28

like, I don't need anyone to see this. Really?

20:32

But I mean, but what I found though,

20:35

is that, you know, when Lynn passed away, it was

20:38

like, and she was my

20:40

age. So there, I

20:42

knew all this stuff. I could tell this stuff. She kept it

20:44

with much of the same stuff that I kept, you

20:46

know, writings, papers, bits and pieces. And there

20:48

was boxes and boxes of it. And it

20:51

was during COVID. And it was like, well,

20:53

who's gonna do, what's gonna

20:55

happen to this? Right, right, right. And I

20:57

didn't have enough history with her to really make any

20:59

decisions around that. So friends came

21:02

down and a lot of it just, you

21:04

know, it gets thrown away. Yeah, right, right,

21:06

right. And because no one

21:08

actually really wants it. Yeah, right. I

21:10

mean, some of it, the things that

21:12

people wanted, they took, but then

21:14

there's other stuff. Yeah, I mean, with

21:16

my parents, neither of them were

21:19

journal writers, which probably harmed

21:21

my childhood, but because

21:24

they had no reflection. But they didn't leave

21:26

a bunch of stuff like that. Like, I

21:28

know my kid is just gonna have piles,

21:31

piles of mead notebooks of me

21:33

complaining about various bookers of the day. Right,

21:35

but does he give a shit? I

21:38

hope he doesn't. See, I mean,

21:40

you have to, I don't know who, even though

21:42

we have these legacies or that we think that

21:44

people want them, but I mean, have you ever

21:46

looked at that kind of shit? I mean, I

21:48

have a few things of lens and I'm like,

21:50

not gonna go through it. Not because I don't

21:52

care. It still doesn't feel correct. Well,

21:56

I mean, there are whole presidential libraries

21:58

that exist that people never go to. people

22:00

were the presidents. Exactly. Who the

22:02

fuck is going to those and for what reason?

22:04

I think when people do research, then

22:07

it becomes something. But I would imagine most people could

22:09

just do research online, but there are some people that

22:12

do the real shit and they go to the sort

22:14

of look at the collection or the

22:17

estate or the stuff of

22:19

a president or anybody that reads it. Do you

22:21

have Mark Maron's poetry from

22:23

high school, some of the original stuff? Have

22:25

you worked Dr. Grins in

22:28

Grand Rapids, right? I don't think I

22:30

did. Oh, it's right near the Jerry Ford Museum

22:32

or the library and I went. And

22:34

it's pretty awesome. He and Betty Ford

22:36

in their youth were among the

22:38

most attractive people I've ever seen.

22:40

Pretty hot? Yes. Yeah. And why

22:42

was it awesome? Because it

22:45

actually put him into a context that you can

22:47

never really see him

22:49

in when we were young or he was alive.

22:51

Yeah, he was just a Chevy Chase joke to

22:53

me. Yeah. And I was like, oh, he

22:55

was the most powerful man in the world

22:57

for about a year and a half, for a

23:00

few years maybe. Right? Oh, he didn't make the

23:02

second term? No, no, no, no. That's when Carter

23:04

took him down, right? No kidding. So he filled

23:06

in for Nixon and didn't even go. He couldn't

23:08

pull off. I didn't remember. Wow. But

23:11

he still got a library. A full library. And

23:13

Betty Ford has a drug center. I imagine in

23:16

the big picture that's done much more

23:18

good than the Jerry Ford

23:20

library. Her legacy is more secure or important

23:22

than. What the hell did I play in

23:24

Grand Rapids? It's some churchish looking place.

23:26

They have a theater. It's a bigger

23:28

venue. Is it downtown? It's probably

23:31

right next to Dr. Grins. Right. It's a folk.

23:33

It was big with folk music back in the

23:36

day. I think it was an old church. Oh,

23:38

okay. It was kind of an odd room. Yeah.

23:40

Isn't the DeVos family from Grand Rapids? Yeah, they

23:42

are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's all over that town.

23:46

And that's the Amway. Is that

23:48

Amway? And then her brother is Eric

23:50

Prince. He's like a mercenary, Halliburton. Yeah,

23:52

that guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

23:54

Yeah. I think that's the guy. Yeah.

23:56

It's just a multi-pronged

23:58

evil family. Sure, and

24:01

they are proud to be involved. Yeah.

24:05

You know, that's their business. Yeah. It's

24:07

a very odd thing to realize, and I've had

24:09

this realization lately, and I think you probably have

24:12

too, because I see it in some of your

24:14

material that, you know, no matter how we judge

24:16

these people, the

24:18

other side or whatever it may be, most

24:22

of them believe it. So,

24:25

it's not like you can just educate them and

24:27

be like, you guys are being dumb and evil.

24:29

They're like, no, you don't get it. We

24:32

believe this. Like, all the abortion

24:34

material you do, it's not going

24:36

to be absorbed by people who

24:38

are anti-abortion, because they think they're

24:40

doing something godly and righteous. Sure.

24:44

I mean, if I believe defeatists have the

24:46

same value as a human life, I

24:48

would act that way too, I'm sure. But

24:51

we don't. They're

24:53

also safe in their little place with

24:55

their people, and they have a home.

24:57

Why would they leave it when all

25:00

their Facebook friends are telling them, you're great, you're

25:03

awesome? And they might win. Yeah. And

25:06

they seem to be winning. I mean, they have had some great wins. Yeah. And

25:09

it's disturbing. But for

25:11

some reason, maybe

25:13

it's just growing up that I realize, like,

25:15

you know, this is the way the world

25:17

works. These monsters, fascists or people

25:20

that are driven by religion or nationalism, a

25:22

lot of times they win. And

25:24

in most countries in the world, they

25:26

kind of have won. And it's not

25:28

because they're, it bothers me that

25:31

I used to believe that, like, well, I just, there's got

25:33

to be a way to sort

25:35

of bridge the gap. And there isn't. Right.

25:39

There is no teaching them. Yeah. And

25:41

because they think we're monsters. Yeah. And

25:43

I understand there, I'm empathetic to their

25:46

position. The

25:48

wonder is like, it's a push, pull,

25:50

push, pull. And you would think like

25:52

after World War II, you know, we're

25:54

done with fascism. Right. Like,

25:57

or you would think, I don't know, I just thought.

26:00

We have so many wins like with gay rights and

26:02

abortion rights It's like oh

26:04

that's settled none of it settled It

26:07

could all be taken away And there are

26:09

people that want to take it away that that think

26:11

it was unsettled when we thought it was settled

26:13

That's right. They don't believe in liberal

26:15

democracy right they don't they they what

26:17

they have there's a whole spectrum of

26:20

autocratic and Nationalistic beliefs,

26:22

but that's what I mean. That's why we

26:24

had a defeat fascism Yeah, and why it

26:26

was a long war because a

26:29

lot of people are like we want it

26:31

Yeah, and it's hard to fathom that yeah,

26:33

but they want it It's like they think

26:35

that what we believe is too permissive Mm-hmm,

26:38

and they want rules and they

26:40

want control it feels like it kind of

26:42

like when we were studying World War

26:44

two I almost felt like a switch

26:47

that was flipped off right like oh, they

26:49

got really fascist and crazy for a little

26:51

bit Yeah, and now it's you know, they're

26:53

cool West Germany Whatever, you know, there are great

27:22

You know precedents that people feel like

27:24

they have to honor that's a big and I guess we're

27:26

not really talking about stand-up here But

27:29

but we are to a certain

27:31

degree because you know, you're I

27:33

mean that I really like the

27:35

the new special It's great. Oh,

27:37

thanks. Very funny. Good. Good jokes

27:39

powerful dark good punchers Yeah, I

27:41

try to throw good a few good punchers

27:44

in there mark. No, you always do but

27:46

I mean I've noticed that There's

27:49

not a lot of pushback

27:51

from the side that of what's considered woke,

27:53

you know, I make fun of anti-woke comics

27:55

Yeah, but but ultimately We

27:58

don't get the same attention No, because

28:01

there's no organized, you

28:03

know, hackneyed ideological Point

28:07

of view that we're all abiding by which

28:09

is what they do and it wouldn't be fun to

28:11

be a part of oh, no Of course not, but

28:13

I find that like lately like I talked to

28:16

Novak Jacqueline Novak the other day listen to that

28:18

one yesterday. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's good. It's great

28:20

I'm talking to you and I talked to like

28:22

a few other comment There are comics who don't

28:25

consider that they're not presenting themselves

28:27

at woke as woke But

28:29

you know, we just do aggressive shit.

28:32

Yeah, people do aggressive shit. Yeah, and that

28:34

like you do I feel like I would

28:36

be called that so I'll just do it myself,

28:38

right? Yeah, I mean we can call ourselves that

28:41

but the truth the matter is is that your

28:43

comedy or Novak's comedy Are

28:45

pushing more boundaries and and and

28:47

more taking more risks than

28:49

any sort of any woke asshole So

28:51

this is actually the reaction to it

28:53

just good solid dirty dark. Yeah Yes,

28:57

yeah, I mean that that's what comedy

28:59

is it it's weird to

29:01

talk about material instead of just doing material

29:03

you know like when a Bunch

29:07

of Comics start talking

29:09

about trans women and it's

29:11

the same premise Totally and it's it's the

29:13

same point of view and good comics and

29:16

you're like, why why are you all are

29:18

you all going to a Meeting

29:21

they are coming up with this idea. Maybe that's

29:23

what's podcasts are in a way But

29:25

like those, you know that I think it's

29:27

the information bubbles. I mean, it's where

29:29

it's it's who's for who's Prioritizing

29:32

that information right and and

29:34

those yeah, there's a certain worldview

29:37

situation going on among Podcasters

29:40

and some news outlets where that's what's

29:42

being talked about Every

29:44

day it from one point of view

29:46

and it's it's but why is it even being

29:48

talked about every day? It's like it that's not

29:50

you it's not anyway on your family. It's not

29:52

your business. Why are you? Why are you into

29:54

it? And why you why are you all into

29:57

it the same way? That's how I think yes

30:00

I would never have even talked

30:02

about trans women, but I was like what is

30:04

happening? Is no one else have any other point

30:06

of view? Is there a point

30:08

of view where they they can exist? It's

30:11

great We're allies. Yeah, let's hold hands and

30:13

go for it. Where is that? So that's

30:15

what I wanted Just fucking relax and be

30:17

tolerant for God's sake. It's not the end

30:20

of the world not I

30:22

get all but But

30:24

but but I noticed how is it the comedy

30:26

store and I saw a comic that we both

30:28

know woman And like at some point

30:31

in our act you guys well, I guess I got to do

30:33

my trans stuff now. I'm like, no, you know You

30:36

really know you don't because there's someone else doing

30:38

it down the hall. Yeah, it's not that different I

30:40

want to hear from trans comics more than anyone else

30:42

about what it's like to be trans and they don't

30:44

all have the same point of view, you know and they

30:47

don't have a As

30:49

big a microphone and also but there's a lot

30:51

of that going on but it We've

30:55

all kind of we all have our audiences

30:57

now. There's no broader You know, we're not

30:59

all speaking to the same people anymore, which

31:01

makes it sort of a dumb game because

31:03

it's no longer There's no kind

31:05

of collective processing right? Right. It's just like

31:08

fuck you over here and fuck them over

31:10

there It's just yeah sort of sad even

31:12

within like who's who was I talking to

31:14

somebody recently about? Oh, is that comic historian?

31:18

Okay, box. Oh, yeah, Jesse David Fox. Yeah,

31:20

and he was talking about this whole world

31:22

of LGBTQ comedy that

31:24

Bowen Yang came out of and that

31:26

was sort of an organized Or

31:29

at least a a niche kind of

31:31

movement in New York, and I don't know anything about

31:33

it And he turns out that

31:36

he turned like he got real funny that Bowen Yang.

31:38

Oh, he's great. Yeah But at

31:40

the beginning of that of SNL, I'm like, I don't know who

31:42

this guy is and he's doing okay But yeah, he's like the

31:44

best thing on there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. But there

31:46

are voices out there I just don't know where they are and

31:48

I don't I'm not exposed to them a lot Yeah,

31:51

I think they're at small they're all over LA

31:53

as well sure a little shit I'm not getting

31:55

out to him, but I'm glad they're out there.

31:57

But do you ever want to pop in on

31:59

this show? Like you wouldn't have to be announced as

32:01

Marc Maron. You could just do a spot

32:03

at permanent records outside. I've done that.

32:06

Yeah Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. It's okay.

32:08

I mean there You

32:10

get to see comics you wouldn't see and kind

32:12

of you know They're the ones setting the tone

32:14

and they're and the younger common. Yeah coming up

32:17

or you know They're there that's where comedy is

32:19

gonna go. So you it's good. I'm hoping

32:21

it doesn't go the other way It seems like the

32:23

the bullies are kind of shifting

32:25

the cultural dialogue. It's it's kind

32:27

of problematic Maybe they're bringing bringing

32:30

their audience into comedy. I'm whether they're

32:32

right. They're building an audience where you

32:34

know, I'm sort of Been

32:37

a little spoiled In

32:39

the sense that like I now can play for

32:41

mostly my audience, which is nice. It's wonderful

32:43

It's okay, but I like going to comedy store or

32:45

half the people right? I don't really fucking know this

32:48

guy Yeah, that's the job. Yeah. Yeah, I still hold

32:50

on to that. You gotta do both I mean

32:52

it wait at your level when you can have

32:54

that have that audience that's there ready to accept

32:56

everything It is good. It's smart

32:58

for you to stand up to keep doing spots. We have

33:00

to follow of course Yeah, just keep

33:02

doing the work. But sadly there's part of me that wants

33:05

to push away the people that You

33:10

want to repel them a little bit I want

33:12

to challenge the people that love me Right

33:17

if they love you they can't be correct right I

33:19

don't What

33:21

the fuck do they know exactly? Yeah, that's been the

33:23

problem in my life But

33:26

uh But have you have you

33:28

had to deal with clubs where you're doing jokes

33:30

and you get vocal or or kind of any

33:32

sort of resistance I don't like

33:34

get supers. I think I find

33:37

if you you can do like like Whoa,

33:40

like liberal material without if

33:43

you don't mention Biden Yeah,

33:45

that seems to be the word they hook on to over,

33:47

you know what I mean? Otherwise they're

33:49

they're like, well, maybe she's just like

33:52

abortion, but she's also conservative It's

33:55

just it's still idea based and they hear

33:57

it as ideas. Yeah, where's your bigger thing

33:59

and it And the word Biden or a few

34:01

maybe other Democratic words are red meat

34:03

and then they completely turn against you.

34:05

Yeah, freak out. But what exactly happened

34:08

with the abortion joke? That

34:10

was just some dumb, it wasn't even a good joke,

34:12

it was just some dumb little riffs. That's the funniest part of

34:14

the special. It's not the funniest part, but I think it's a

34:16

very comedian thing where you're like,

34:19

I wish it was a better joke. Yeah. That's

34:21

the same dumb joke. Yeah, I

34:24

have better structured jokes you could get

34:26

mad over, not this dumb riffs, right?

34:28

You're like a structured person. So

34:31

you just put it out this kind of, okay,

34:33

joke. Yeah, and the fact that I have to re-say

34:35

it when I would rather

34:37

fix it is really annoying. But

34:39

yeah, I just set it on a Sunday

34:42

night MSNBC show by Amen. It was

34:44

the weekend that they had leaked the

34:46

draft of Overturn Row. Oh yeah, right, right, right. And it

34:48

was just a dumb little line and then

34:50

it went viral on Rightwing. What was

34:52

the line? Oh, come on, don't

34:54

make me. All right, it was, I

34:57

hope the leakers are Republican because I'm going to find

35:00

him, have sex with him, and joyfully abort

35:02

the fetus. Sure. That's it,

35:04

okay? It's not a joke, it's

35:07

a riffs, a tiny riffs. Sure, it's just

35:09

a fuck you. Yeah, and that little line,

35:11

I had better jokes that they didn't clip

35:14

from that. They took that and then

35:16

that went all over and it got up

35:18

to- Click date. Yeah, total click

35:20

date. It went up to Mediate,

35:22

which is this clip site that

35:25

everyone grabs and gets mad over. It

35:27

went all the way up to Sean Hannity's show on Fox

35:30

News. And then they

35:32

replayed it. And then Sean Hannity, Lara

35:35

Trump, and Pam Bondi, the former

35:37

Attorney General of Florida, disgust me.

35:40

It was so bizarre. Monsters.

35:43

Yeah, absolutely. Just a panel of

35:45

monsters. Completely, completely. Discussing me. This

35:47

is what liberals do, they joyfully

35:49

ab- Oh, God. You know, I get

35:52

that it wasn't a great joke, so maybe you didn't get it

35:54

was a joke. Sure. But do you really

35:56

think that I'm going to be doing that? Seems like

35:58

a lot of times they don't get their jokes. They

36:01

don't get that these are jokes. No. Because

36:04

they don't have the switch in

36:06

their head that registers what

36:09

that point of view says as ever being

36:11

funny. Right. I will say

36:13

that whoever clipped it out, and I think

36:15

it was MSNBC and put it on media,

36:17

they labeled it guest says instead of comedian

36:20

says, which of course is going to get

36:22

people to be angrier. I think if they

36:24

knew that it was a comic and not

36:26

some... The

36:29

fact that their brains are so compromised

36:34

that they can't see joke

36:36

tone. They're

36:39

also unwilling to... They'd rather

36:41

get all worked up and take things

36:43

seriously than just say, that's not funny.

36:46

I get plenty of people saying, I've never

36:48

been funny, I'm not funny. I'm like, okay,

36:50

I can take that. But

36:53

to register this as some sort of

36:55

ideological truth, it's crazy.

36:57

It is. And it was a crazy

36:59

couple days of threats and people finding me.

37:02

How bad was the threats? You

37:05

know, just... I called it Siswab Grief Sled

37:07

as I got help. I think a church

37:09

got together and just sent me the same email,

37:11

called me a sled. There was a guy, and

37:14

I replied to a bunch of people too.

37:17

I will reply. Negativity. I can't

37:19

go on. And a guy...

37:21

On Twitter? No. He

37:24

emailed me, a very long email about

37:27

abortion. Yeah. And so

37:29

I said, I disagree. And then he said, you seem

37:31

like you're... Oh no, he thought he had

37:33

you on the hook. No, he goes...

37:35

He came back friendly. He goes, you

37:37

seem like you're an expert on computers.

37:40

All I had done was reply. He goes, email. And

37:43

I can show you the email. This sounds like I'm

37:45

making it up. But he said, I'm getting a lot

37:47

of ads with gay pornography on my browser and I

37:49

can't figure out how to get rid of it. And

37:53

obviously he's looking at gay

37:55

porn. Yeah. But

37:57

I said, maybe like a handyman or someone...

38:00

somebody's accessing your computer, so you might want

38:02

to check that out. And

38:04

you thanked me, and that was it. So another

38:06

fan converted. Oh my

38:08

God. It's

38:12

so scary for certain older

38:14

people. Yeah, and I think

38:16

people can contact you and send you stuff because they don't

38:18

think you're gonna reply, they don't think you're a real

38:21

person, or they think you have a team or

38:23

something. Yeah, they do. They always assume that someone

38:25

else is reading it or that you're not gonna

38:27

reply. I generally don't, but

38:29

the times I have the things that

38:32

trigger me, I'd

38:34

say 50-50 people come back and go, oh man, I'm

38:36

sorry, I didn't think you were real. Right, yeah, yeah,

38:38

yeah. I mean, I get what you're saying. You're

38:41

like, it's just this initial kind

38:43

of like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And

38:45

then you're like, hey man, take it down to

38:47

Nashville. Oh God, I didn't know you

38:50

were gonna say anything. Yeah. Yeah,

38:53

but so it went away though pretty

38:55

quickly. It did, after about four

38:57

or five days. I might bubble up again now, but

38:59

you know. Everything just sort of does that. I know.

39:02

If you're lucky. It just kind of goes

39:04

crazy for a few days and it's just,

39:07

doesn't matter. Undertow, just gone.

39:09

Yeah, well, it's crazy to me. I

39:11

was just joking about abortion. I wasn't like I

39:14

said I had an abortion or I was providing

39:16

them. This is what I got from making just

39:18

a dumb little line. They just want,

39:20

they just have nothing to talk about. It's

39:23

just they just make it, they

39:25

just make hay out of everything. Sure, I mean, MSNBC

39:28

makes a show and then Fox News makes

39:30

a segment out of that and maybe MSNBC

39:32

makes a segment out of that and it's

39:35

just a cycle of segments. And how much,

39:38

ingesting all this knowledge, I

39:40

guess it's good to be educated, but

39:42

also how much can you

39:45

do to change things and

39:48

holding all of that in you, what to do to

39:50

you all day long, you know? Are you

39:52

asking me? Yeah. Cause

39:55

I'm trying to figure that out. What

39:58

have you found for yourself? Since

40:00

I stopped working on Conan, I've been

40:02

allowed to not pay attention to all the

40:04

details. I feel like if I was still working

40:07

for Conan, still writing monologue jokes, I would understand

40:10

all the charges that Trump

40:12

is undergoing in this specific trial because there

40:14

are so many. And now I'm just

40:16

kind of, you know, he's a

40:18

monster, he's guilty. I hope the Justice

40:20

Department, I hope that system works. Yeah,

40:23

well, yeah, we're going to find out.

40:25

Fingers crossed. Conan Guy's got some pretty,

40:28

he definitely has some pretty

40:31

good timing sometimes. Yeah, yeah. But you also

40:33

included that stuff. I mean, I guess I

40:35

haven't talked to you since, I think I

40:37

talked to you about when your dad

40:39

died, right? Yeah, yeah. About that book.

40:41

Yes, yeah, dead people suck. Yeah. Right,

40:44

right, right. But now, like, you've changed your

40:47

tune with your mom. I

40:52

was totally heartbroken when my dad

40:54

died. I was, oh, conflict, I

40:56

mean, yes, it's my mom, of course.

40:59

She lived with me, she's a Trump supporter. We

41:01

had a lot of

41:04

arguing. And I guess I

41:06

thought when I moved her in with me, like,

41:08

we would, the proximity, we would

41:11

fix everything, you know? And

41:13

we just fought as hard. We went

41:15

to two sets of therapies

41:18

together. Really? The first one with Dr.

41:20

Steve. Oh, yeah. And she walked

41:22

out after 10 minutes of the first one. And

41:24

then the second one, it was, I went for an

41:26

hour and she went for an hour and then we

41:28

met or something. And it didn't really help.

41:32

Huh. See, this is interesting

41:34

because we were talking about the idea of

41:37

realizing that there's no way to get

41:39

through. Right. That there is no

41:41

bridge. And this is like, was a

41:43

lot of it ideological? I

41:46

don't even know. It was, yes,

41:48

I mean, it all stems from that.

41:50

But it was, you know, mother-daughter stuff,

41:52

parent-child stuff. And the, you

41:55

know, like me just wishing she would change.

42:00

thinking maybe with when my dad

42:02

gone and me being like the primary person around her

42:04

I could sort of break her down a little bit

42:07

and instead she got more hardened.

42:09

What were the main issues? I have

42:11

a curiosity. Oh my gosh. Aside from

42:13

from politics. Yeah

42:16

like do you have sisters or brothers? I have a sister.

42:18

Yeah and how she feel about your mom? Very

42:21

similar. Yeah. Well I

42:23

mean it's your standard parent stuff. Yeah it's parent

42:25

stuff. Your parents weren't together or they were? They

42:27

were together. But like my mom

42:31

one time she had

42:33

stuff happen to her she never went

42:35

to therapy highly traumatizing things. As a

42:37

child? Yeah swallowed it and just went

42:40

on and her generation did. Right. And

42:43

me just wishing because maybe things

42:45

were overlooked in my childhood because

42:48

that was her nature

42:50

was overlooked. Yeah. Thinking

42:52

if you if you had been in touch with

42:54

that you may have recognized it happening to me

42:56

and maybe it wouldn't have happened as badly as

42:58

it did. So she couldn't even process

43:01

her own trauma? No. Unwilling. No she

43:03

was very much outside of it and

43:05

I remember we were watching associated yes

43:08

we're watching hoarders one of the

43:10

hoarding shows yeah and something

43:12

about it she goes

43:14

oh yeah a

43:17

guy molested me when I was four

43:19

in the bushes in Tennessee. That

43:22

was brought on by hoarders? Yeah and

43:24

maybe it was in Tennessee it was something where

43:26

you're like oh wow

43:29

and you're just recalling it

43:32

now and not crying no pain just

43:34

like huh like it was just an

43:36

old movie that was playing that it

43:38

popped up again and I

43:41

was like ah that's like

43:43

the way that how she remembered and

43:45

how she treated it that that horrible

43:48

event. Right. Oh okay.

43:51

That really explains a lot

43:53

of how she you know kind

43:55

of raised us a little bit. Yeah and also you know that that

44:00

type of dissociation is, you

44:03

know, you kind of build some sort

44:05

of emotional system

44:08

around that. Yes. Yeah,

44:10

I mean, I try to talk about this

44:13

whole world of trauma processing stuff and

44:15

being able to, but I think everybody

44:17

compartmentalizes it. Of course, yeah. I guess

44:20

the real problem is if you've

44:22

compartmentalized it and it's just a

44:25

monster in a room, you know,

44:27

pounding to get out and ruining everything

44:29

in the whole building because you're

44:31

not giving voice to it or you're not... I

44:34

guess she was so depressed,

44:37

but never so much she

44:39

was incapacitated, Joseph's constant lack

44:43

of joy around, you know, around

44:45

us maybe. But also she

44:47

has obviously a vulnerability to

44:49

grievance-driven ideology. Yeah. And

44:52

that's probably directly related to trauma. Definitely.

44:55

I wanted her to cheer up and

44:58

be lighter in her final

45:00

years, which was ridiculous because she missed my

45:02

dad like crazy and now she's left her

45:04

home and she's left everything and she's living

45:07

in a little room with me, her hostile

45:09

daughter and her only

45:12

ally, her grandson, you know? Her

45:14

only ally. Do you like her? Yeah,

45:16

yeah, yeah. I mean, she could be a little nag

45:19

a bit, which would annoy him. Sometimes

45:22

I'm like, oh, he picked up some antipathy

45:24

from me, you know, even though I was trying to

45:26

hide it, you know? So when you went to therapy,

45:29

whether you were trying to get at that trauma and

45:31

stuff? I didn't think of it that way.

45:33

I just wanted us to get along better. But I

45:35

realized after she died, and you always realize stuff after

45:37

they're gone and then you want to talk to them

45:39

again. It's like, hey, I figured this out. So

45:43

let's go back. That

45:46

there was just like such a heaviness

45:48

around her. And as

45:51

a child, you just want them

45:53

to giggle. You know, it

45:56

has a lightness. And

45:58

hers had been, you know, it was...

46:00

It was going before my dad died and then

46:02

after he died, you know, it just went away. And

46:06

you don't think it was like

46:08

chemical depression? Could

46:10

be. But definitely depression. Yeah. So

46:13

now like, because when I remember during COVID when

46:15

she started dying of COVID,

46:17

that it was like there were like

46:19

up to the hour updates, it seems.

46:22

Yeah, it was such a weird time. And it was,

46:24

I think at that time it was the only time

46:26

somebody, not to like, you

46:28

know, I

46:30

might have been one of the first to live tweet

46:32

the whole thing going down. Someone dying of COVID.

46:34

As opposed to after they had died and what

46:37

it was like. Yeah, no, it was important. It

46:39

was really wild. Yeah. And so,

46:41

yeah, once she was taken to

46:43

the hospital, she was in a nursing, a

46:45

rehab center that first she got COVID, they

46:47

set up an iPad. And

46:50

I kept my mom, my sister came down and we

46:53

had her like on, like mom

46:55

TV, you know, six

46:59

days straight maybe, you know, except for when we were bumped off

47:01

and then we would call back and get back on. And

47:03

we just kept talking to her. You know, it's

47:05

an iPad taken around the house, tell her what

47:08

we're doing. My aunt Patty,

47:10

her sister called and talked to her for like two

47:13

hours straight with no response. But

47:15

just like my classic, it's at that's an

47:18

app Patty. Yeah, you can talk to her

47:20

straight. And this was like

47:22

how and that was like from her getting COVID to

47:24

her dying of it. How long is a week? It

47:26

was a week. Well, she was old, you know, and

47:29

she got it. She got the alpha

47:31

version, I guess, unmitigated version,

47:33

no vaccine in June of 2020. So

47:36

it took her out pretty quick. But she

47:38

was unconscious the whole time. My sister and I did

47:40

get to visit her after we lobbied the hospital. We

47:42

were dressed head to toe and like a beekeepers

47:44

office. Plastic gloves couldn't

47:47

touch her. And she kind

47:49

of raised her body up and looked up

47:51

and then went back down. So that was

47:53

the only time she moved the entire time

47:55

on her own when we were watching her on

47:57

the iPad. So we knew she knew we were there. I

47:59

don't know if she knew. She had kobe I don't know what she new she.

48:01

On Morphine? Yeah. and. You know?

48:04

who knows. I hope she was seeing

48:06

visions of my dad. Or mom yeah

48:08

welcoming her to wherever. so at that

48:10

time where where we are wacko through

48:12

with cove is so the the the

48:14

fight was about masks. I think

48:16

so. I mean Gavin needs some.

48:18

He lightened the. Mass Require

48:20

men. Right over Memorial Day we guns and

48:22

I think that's when my mom thought it.

48:25

You know, in rehab centers and

48:27

it's part. Time workers are all bopp around

48:30

from place to place. It's it's I would rather

48:32

than hers for what Diana beats than go to

48:34

a rehab center and may not work for making

48:36

skilled nursing. Facility so like a see you as you

48:38

have a broken. Hip or something. I was your mom and

48:40

one of those see. Season had to

48:42

i take out of hospital the previous week.

48:44

Be as you is struggling to breathe. Answer:

48:47

They just kept her there. They got her

48:49

back to normal bets when you're old. If

48:51

you're in bed for a week, you need

48:53

the lessons to learn how to walk again.

48:55

So on. What a set of done is

48:57

brought. Her home and had a nurse com and be a

49:00

lot. Else like it out at at

49:02

that time. they're like well it's safe

49:04

you know the governor has you know

49:06

modify some of the the. Things.

49:08

We have to do to avoid kill their the

49:10

i'm asking and stuff like that. So maybe things are

49:13

a little bit better right now. And it was

49:15

in, of course they got worse immediately. And.

49:18

Did. You see that been politicized? will you

49:20

were doing that time at her? Am I don't

49:22

think sound really. we're all just freaked out. Yeah,

49:24

the whole world was freaked out. The idea for

49:26

the people who thought it was a scam and

49:29

masks were bullshit. Yeah, That happened, the network

49:31

pretty quick to like and Florida the

49:33

i get stitches were you just sockets

49:35

the comics that we're still doing cells

49:38

in clubs during that time. I couldn't

49:40

believe. That they'll get over it. Yeah they

49:42

did. I not have a my know comics

49:44

I know died of ago. Oh. We're

49:46

on method. There was a comedy festival where

49:48

as several comedians got it at the festival

49:51

and died. Or the i was like

49:53

out as Indiana. yeah no shit and

49:55

or yeah I can remember. That we

49:57

also don't know what kind of brain

49:59

fog. People have a me people have

50:01

if Kobe has a long tail. A made

50:03

Ever Got it? Not yet. They.

50:06

Mean they do a lot to avoid at

50:08

the end I could have done and asymptomatic

50:10

case that's my worry is long. Covered.

50:12

The Up: I. Had heard arguments

50:15

from couple years I guess. or

50:17

maybe February. Twenty twenty two does.

50:19

He had at least shit of

50:21

experts and of your a doubling

50:23

of ah yes, tired and. Little.

50:25

Stuffy? Yeah? Weird? Yes, yeah. and you're

50:28

in. Your heart gets all jacked. Yeah.

50:30

Was any and I have an aneurism so

50:32

I don't want anything that causes. Nagoya know

50:35

yeah no wants to be

50:37

says. I know, but I feel like I have

50:39

to give her an actual. Medical, excuse her and will

50:41

I get it a wide? There's just some

50:43

nights like in his I just knew like

50:45

at some point. At. The

50:47

comedy store that was gonna get case.

50:51

I was just in Paris, Texas and I'm

50:53

like if I survive. This weekend I bulletproof

50:55

and this is ridiculous and I did

50:57

everything I could that it was a

50:59

so many authors. The Islands are you

51:01

lie yeah offering. Yeah, I mean

51:03

I am. I bring an air purifier on

51:05

stage when I'm headlining the you know and

51:07

I put it right under my Harris Sexes.

51:10

Yes, yeah yeah, what the fuck is in

51:12

Paris? Texas Comedy Festival? I told you know

51:14

that School everywhere. And yeah, on. How is

51:16

that? It. It was fun. It was

51:18

fun and was a have miners in Paris com it.

51:20

Was. Me and Francisco promise

51:22

And then. Seen pop

51:24

a bit like sl

51:27

seem easier but. You

51:29

know it's it's a rowdy road room. And definitely,

51:31

you know, probably most people didn't vote the way

51:33

I vote A. I had a you know, I.

51:35

I kind of like to play with that in

51:37

an ogre. Yeah, was fine yet the shows are

51:40

really fun. Yeah, but I bet again, I put

51:42

a air purifier right in front of me. I

51:44

blasted all the way up. My hair is often

51:46

flying behind me. Where for harm? That so

51:48

far so good. It's so funny when it.

51:51

When I watch your stuff because I do

51:53

like it's it's a bid an angle. On.

51:57

The idea of having to respect your

51:59

parents or and the eating yeah for

52:01

that matter. Yeah, I like it because

52:03

I'm a Spike I'm doing. I'm trying

52:05

to work on this joke now. a

52:07

bow. York has both my

52:09

parents or your kind of cropping up. My

52:11

Dad Certainly the maximum. And. The

52:13

joke is like, you know it's weird when you

52:15

get older and you have family. No one really

52:18

tells you how much. Yeah, what's really going to

52:20

cost. To. Put your parents do Dying

52:22

says. Yes,

52:24

and I think that's hilarious to

52:26

do that. But of people like

52:28

they, they kind of grown adults.

52:30

But there is that zone of

52:32

comedy where you eat, your you're

52:34

mocking, are making fun, are making

52:36

light yeah of your mom's dying

52:38

Yes, you know in the very

52:40

structure joke way. Yes, by A

52:42

and I think say that because

52:44

of that because if you're structure,

52:46

people are able to afford you

52:48

the distance you know to me.

52:50

And I know yeah it's a just out.

52:53

A lot of them are almost subjects that

52:55

would Yeah, good yeah yeah yeah. because his

52:57

license was the anxiety sort of run into

52:59

is like I'm fairly conversational. Yeah, that's a

53:01

joke joke in there. A couple a tags

53:03

do it be that have worked? I'm like

53:05

I know when you first start doing those

53:07

are such as soon as they were your

53:10

yeah, where people are like was exactly yeah

53:12

Bills the sort of the confidence in the

53:14

groove of the thing. Yeah and then it

53:16

starts working as an office detachment or what

53:18

it. Is at that to me of always

53:20

The important thing was like this sent about

53:23

my dad die or my mom to me

53:25

as it has to be equally it in

53:27

weight equal to a joke about a tank.

53:29

let me going shopping right as the com

53:31

right they are jokes about a thing, rice

53:34

on and so and the audience has to

53:36

feel comfortable. They have to know you're not

53:38

as start crying and that you're totally comfortable

53:40

with that are gonna take a few years

53:43

this for me to say what's this is

53:45

my dad My dad died late. My.

53:47

My throat hardly make make the words right and

53:49

it took so long the east to at an

53:51

ongoing or that's a set of two jets and

53:53

now I'm good at the sense gonna happen. And

53:55

the checks. Are gonna drop yeah he part of me doing.

53:58

figuring out their tips I'm talking about

54:00

the one of the worst things that ever happened

54:02

to me and I have to be okay with right as a

54:05

comic Right and in once you get there

54:07

then it's there It's an interchangeable

54:09

Lego pieces in your act, you know, it

54:11

also opened up it opens up this this

54:14

portal of possibilities Yeah, you know like Have

54:17

you know it took me a long time to get

54:19

that stuff about Lynn passing? Yeah to work Yeah,

54:22

but after I did I realized like

54:24

I didn't talk about anything yeah, right

54:26

right right like I cuz now I'm

54:28

doing a chunk about trauma about childhood

54:31

trauma and I I

54:33

actually tell the audience I'd say okay I'm gonna

54:35

go into this next piece, but I want you

54:37

to know I can handle it That's

54:43

perfect whatever you

54:45

guys experiences your experience, but I'm

54:47

okay That's

54:50

great, that's great and it's kind of it's

54:52

kind of exciting yeah Talk

54:54

about that kind of stuff. My son had told

54:56

me something that happened to him at school Yeah,

54:58

and and he goes you can make a joke about

55:00

it if you want and I'm like, whoa No,

55:04

that's yours. Yeah, I'm not good. That's right.

55:07

Right. Yeah, it is weird Yeah,

55:09

that's interesting. Yeah, but was

55:12

that upsetting what he told you You

55:17

know Maybe what I

55:19

can with really yeah, but it was it was

55:21

like he was almost the first thing He said

55:23

to me after he told me yeah, and I was like

55:27

What am I to you? Premise

55:31

seeking monster that had a child, you know,

55:33

or no, he wanted you to make it

55:35

easier. Oh Oh,

55:38

I didn't think of it like that the word the

55:41

worst thing is as I did think of a jail And

55:46

I feel really guilty about it. So I just

55:48

but I think he was looking for you to

55:50

process it for him Interesting

55:53

I hadn't thought of it like

55:55

that. I thought I thought you're a

55:57

monster. Yeah, he does he goes on the road with me something

56:00

Yeah, so I mean like he's like oh, she'll make

56:02

it funny. Oh Maybe

56:04

it was a total compliment. Maybe I'll tell him the

56:06

joke I thought of How

56:08

much time is best? Oh

56:11

since he told me like a year. Oh, yeah, you can

56:13

definitely do it That's

56:15

funny in time but uh

56:19

What is it like with the kid? How old's a kid? My

56:21

son is 17 right now. That's crazy

56:24

It is it is it's like

56:26

Felicia Michaels warned me that the teenagers

56:29

would be just as time-consuming as the

56:31

other ones and In

56:33

a different way and they are because you're constantly like Monitoring

56:37

their emotion, you know, they're they're mood.

56:39

Yeah, you know, are you okay? Like you

56:41

just read about thing like teenagers. Oh You're

56:44

like the parents had no idea and it's like am

56:46

I missing something? Is everything? Okay? Yeah, and

56:48

should I be intervening now and you

56:51

know, you quit doing this thing that you love

56:53

Should I say something? Yeah, but I leave it and I

56:56

I don't know what to do all the time

56:58

the possibility for codependent insanity is Yeah

57:03

it is and because My

57:05

son was in lockdown for half a seventh grade

57:07

and all of eighth grade Yeah, that that was

57:10

a those were key years that he was at

57:12

home the entire time Yeah, and I probably I

57:14

think this is probably with a lot of parents

57:16

what it depends on what age your kids were

57:18

wrapped with You but like my

57:21

son I decked out his room, you

57:23

know, I'm like he's on zoom. It's it's a

57:25

nightmare I just want him. I don't want him

57:27

to lose. I want to keep as much education

57:29

as possible. He's gonna lose so much

57:31

Yeah, so, you know, he has like a

57:34

space shuttle in his bedroom. Yeah, and now he

57:36

doesn't want to leave You

57:40

know, he's totally fine and a lot of

57:42

kids his age too like they don't they

57:44

don't hang out together They just play games

57:46

together and they consider that hanging out, but

57:48

they're not physically in each other's And

57:50

that makes you nervous doesn't make me nervous. It's

57:52

just it's just interesting. It's just different a little

57:54

sad in the way Sad sad,

57:56

but then they're they're okay with it. You

57:59

know, I guess I just Remember like that one of

58:01

the great things about growing up without all

58:03

that shit is you'd go out with in

58:05

hang out with a bunch other kids and

58:07

do nothing I know like when I was

58:09

a little kid you just go out in

58:11

your front yard or on your street with

58:13

some other to his earnest ride bikes. Just

58:15

figure out yet ride bikes figure out how

58:17

to hurt each other. Yeah in a competitive

58:19

were gas or girls in a backstabbing way

58:21

they ah yes a lot of pain of

58:23

ah yes I'd have like secret societies that

58:25

he weren't allowed into unless you like a

58:27

dog says that was happening on my street

58:29

is. It says of beaming guys making

58:31

read dog food or mean girls me know, mean

58:34

girls making the.in the get into that and there's

58:36

be the only one that eight the dog and

58:38

six. I'm

58:41

sorry you guys it was a bad idea.

58:43

His successor has a wave I've as a

58:45

as an old lady I can see that

58:47

I know because I did. He doesn't get

58:49

much flavor. Odd doesn't suspect. Had to stay

58:52

after a day. I get some a mama

58:54

by accident ss yes I don't know. sorry

58:56

but your kids turn out okay. That

58:58

he loves animation. He wants me any

59:00

animator. That said, we're looking at art schools. Were

59:03

looking at two years a community college.

59:05

To the seat and around two years of

59:07

art school out. I mean athletes I don't

59:09

know, I'm sectors Good places for this get

59:11

places everywhere are really have. We

59:13

have citizenship in Luxembourg because of my

59:16

great great grandmother get out of gas

59:18

and so he could go to school

59:20

in Europe. But. I mean that's

59:22

a big jump from the the bedroom. The Zoom

59:25

Bedroom assists a good thing, you know it.

59:27

Would be a great thing as he did that. Yeah.

59:29

Would be great to get you got

59:31

completely. I'm literally grandparents it into Luxembourg.

59:33

Great great grandparents. It intellects and says

59:36

one one live your family. Helen,

59:38

Helen, and Nasa Lords. Yeah, that's all

59:40

it takes a solid set for. They

59:42

have a they eat. They have a

59:44

generous reclamation process. Latter does, it is

59:47

very specific. It's just that had a

59:49

relative that was born in Luxembourg in

59:51

the eighteen hundreds and died in the

59:53

U S after the night after nineteen

59:55

Hundreds. So she's the one that lived

59:58

long enough. I see a die. In

1:00:00

eighty ninety nine we went to have it. Holy

1:00:02

shit yeah sorry I think about like countries that

1:00:04

I could do that with if it was available

1:00:06

to meet but you're not great. Am

1:00:10

I glad I go? You know that having

1:00:12

idea how we as I think that Poland's

1:00:14

I could get into Poland Poland. Is not

1:00:16

bad as it know it's not, they

1:00:18

just stuff that they. Are I

1:00:20

think they did that? Something came around. Her and I'm

1:00:22

with you. I minister where they rejected fascism in

1:00:24

a way that I was the I was. Really?

1:00:27

Surprised and a son of drifting towards

1:00:29

full fast as ounces. Yeah, I mean

1:00:32

and the not hungry so no pulitzer

1:00:34

bad He says this is the investigate.

1:00:36

As I don't think I Poland gets you

1:00:38

into dell whole easy browsing they offer that.

1:00:41

I mean my grandmother was born in Poland.

1:00:43

And know this is earlier because the

1:00:45

holocaust Know before. That. A me

1:00:48

the pressure semi were see. I don't

1:00:50

know. I know it as a reasonable Harrys

1:00:52

More the idea. Maybe I did say yes

1:00:54

he would she knew was coming. And nineteen

1:00:56

twenty three. I. Mean where things

1:00:58

get an eighteen twenty? Know. That would never

1:01:00

join and amphibians I mean it was okay

1:01:02

because it like when the reporters at once

1:01:05

in Ukraine to Poland was glitzier yeah and

1:01:07

even aware that is now sits in Poland

1:01:09

or Ukraine's bed cause that that yeah for

1:01:11

a fluid at at some point yeah I

1:01:13

think. But yeah, the Russians

1:01:16

it was either that can be Poland or as. Well

1:01:18

as Poland your good. A deal at that

1:01:20

would be great. Just

1:01:23

that with the existence and said that

1:01:25

Luxembourg does this look. At the women that

1:01:27

was reading as he's like to go live in the

1:01:30

south of France via the my I don't know if

1:01:32

I'll do that of Luxembourg itself is very expensive. Yell

1:01:34

but I would. I would love to live

1:01:36

somewhere in Europe for a year and is

1:01:39

the one Nader's as a comic relief gas.

1:01:41

If I could just pay my way, I would have

1:01:43

to make a profit. Like the idea of

1:01:45

like you know, going to of foreign countries

1:01:47

and doing comedy some time to sort of

1:01:49

like there's. So many English speaking for

1:01:51

the news and a lot of American

1:01:53

comics go there and I don't know.

1:01:55

Just like a triple run by. And.

1:01:58

Francis Jeremy I'm yeah. Amazing

1:02:00

would that be? I did that in Scandinavia. Oh.

1:02:03

Like I did Norway. Yeah. I

1:02:06

did Amsterdam, Oslo, Stockholm.

1:02:11

Where have you performed over there? In Europe?

1:02:13

Yeah. Almost nowhere, just England. And

1:02:16

I took my son to Ireland to

1:02:18

throw my dad's ashes. And so I

1:02:20

did a set in Dublin because I

1:02:22

walked by a comedy club and I

1:02:24

just contacted them. Yeah. But yeah,

1:02:26

I mean, once my son graduates, things

1:02:29

open back up for me. Oh yeah, you're gonna go crazy. The

1:02:31

borders are slightly closed because I need

1:02:34

to be, you know. Yeah, sure. Once

1:02:36

you tuck him away into his pool. Yeah. He

1:02:39

can get out. Yeah, yeah. I've

1:02:41

done Dublin,

1:02:44

England, I've done England. Yeah. Years

1:02:46

ago, I went to Hong Kong and Beijing. Wow.

1:02:49

You used to be a guy that booked shows there. Yeah, I

1:02:51

remember that. I remember that. I would be afraid to go to

1:02:54

Beijing now. I'd be afraid you wouldn't

1:02:56

get out, you know? Yeah, I guess so. I

1:02:59

don't know if it was, it was relatively scary.

1:03:01

Yeah. I went with Russ Menive. It

1:03:04

was me and Russ Menive. So funny. He wasn't seen

1:03:06

him in a long time. I don't know what he's seen.

1:03:08

I might've seen him at the Broadway a couple, maybe

1:03:10

like a year or two ago. We had a very good time.

1:03:12

It was very funny. What a one-liner guy, just playing fast. Yeah,

1:03:14

yeah, he's very funny. Yeah. It was all

1:03:16

for expats, but I remember when we were in Beijing,

1:03:19

we were there when that spy plane was

1:03:21

taken. Oh. Like it had crashed

1:03:23

and they had the spy plane. Yeah. And

1:03:25

some of the people, we were told you can't

1:03:27

bring it up. Yeah. Yeah. And

1:03:29

it was intense. That's your first instinct is

1:03:31

to bring it up. Sure, sure. Anybody

1:03:34

have family on the, but no, but

1:03:36

I saw the Great Wall and I saw all that shit. Wow. You

1:03:39

know, it was kind of cool. Forbidden city. Yeah. I

1:03:42

didn't feel like, oddly, I didn't have great Chinese

1:03:44

food there. Ha ha ha ha. Like

1:03:49

I went to the original Peking duck place,

1:03:51

which was now called the Beijing duck, of course. Okay.

1:03:54

Oh yeah, right, right, right. So, but it's

1:03:57

okay, you know, some touristy, I guess.

1:03:59

Ha ha ha. I didn't know the

1:04:01

hipster place. I still kind

1:04:03

of like to go to India, but I don't know if, I don't

1:04:05

want everything to, yeah, it just

1:04:07

looks so crazy. I mean, I know, but

1:04:09

like, once you, I mean, Mumbai or someplace

1:04:12

like that, yeah, that would look- That

1:04:14

would be overwhelming. I wanna do shows everywhere. Like,

1:04:17

I wanna, I want it all. I wish I had that spirit.

1:04:19

Yeah. I just wanna go. You know

1:04:21

what I mean? You don't wanna do stand up there,

1:04:23

you wanna visit? No, the idea of like worrying about

1:04:25

doing a gig. Yeah. And what it's

1:04:27

gonna be like in Mumbai. Yeah. Too

1:04:29

much for me. Cause I feel like what I

1:04:31

do is specific. Yeah. And that

1:04:34

I have, there's a certain amount of emotional

1:04:36

investment and understanding that they'll understand me. You

1:04:39

know, outside of the jokes, like I make

1:04:41

myself a little crazy. Do you look

1:04:43

at the stats of who listens from where and

1:04:46

go to those places? No, not really. No. I

1:04:48

know where I can, I'm good for about 800 people

1:04:52

in most reasonable sized cities. Right, right,

1:04:54

right. And from, you know, 1200 to

1:04:57

a couple thousand a few

1:04:59

cities. That's a dream. Yeah, that's it. You

1:05:01

know, because you can still live a normal

1:05:03

life. You know, I can't imagine what Jim

1:05:05

Gaffigan's life is in an airport. I must

1:05:07

be an awful, people coming up to him

1:05:09

all the time, right? And you

1:05:11

can live a normal life, but you can sell

1:05:14

out for people that already like you.

1:05:16

Yeah. That's the comedy

1:05:18

dream. My troubled fans is

1:05:20

like. They might

1:05:22

see you in the airport and write letters later.

1:05:25

Write emails to you. Oh, I know. Gaffigan's fans

1:05:27

go right on up to him. Well, yeah, because

1:05:29

he's a big, funny guy. Yeah, and he's approachable

1:05:31

and. And he seems to like it. Yeah. I

1:05:33

don't know if he really is. Well, no comic is who they

1:05:36

are on stage, that's for sure. Jim,

1:05:38

he's definitely a little

1:05:41

more intense. He's gotten more himself.

1:05:43

That's good. You know, he does more long form stuff.

1:05:46

His last special was pretty dark. Oh, yeah. No,

1:05:48

he's great. I'm just saying, like, I

1:05:50

think his fans would

1:05:52

not hesitate to approach him, and I think yours would.

1:05:55

No, they come up to me. But they know. You

1:05:57

know what I mean? Right. They are.

1:06:00

understand the thing because because of how I do

1:06:02

it a lot of them really feel like they

1:06:04

know me and I think they do yeah oh

1:06:06

yeah but most of them are aware that it's

1:06:08

one-sided it's the ones that aren't quite aware that

1:06:10

it becomes a little tricky yeah yeah yeah you

1:06:13

know but uh I don't know you

1:06:15

never did you are you still doing

1:06:17

this pocket yeah I do Jackie Jackie

1:06:20

first Jackie has the dork for us and we ours

1:06:22

is just called the Jackie and Laurie show how's that

1:06:24

going Jackie Cation oh we still

1:06:26

do it we find a you know time

1:06:28

every Sunday at some point you know we're

1:06:31

usually logging in on to zoom from

1:06:33

hotels and doing it how

1:06:35

she do quick hours she's doing great yeah yeah

1:06:37

she's working we're I weep I don't know

1:06:39

I feel like the industry wants both of

1:06:41

us out and we're both like no we're

1:06:43

here so you must reckon with us

1:06:45

what industry comedy everything really

1:06:47

I don't know that's how it feels but

1:06:50

the weird thing is is that I don't even see

1:06:52

a semblance of an industry anymore I know that's true

1:06:54

and and it just seems like you know some people

1:06:56

are have cobbled together

1:06:58

enough following to go work I

1:07:01

know it is so it's

1:07:04

your draw all right no it's well I

1:07:06

mean it's okay hopefully the

1:07:08

special will increase it but it does

1:07:10

feel like everyone's booking off of followers

1:07:12

and I don't know

1:07:14

like with some of the clubs I'm like are

1:07:16

you doing anything do you even email your list they

1:07:18

don't let them know or do we have to

1:07:20

do it at all well I think that that

1:07:23

is the problem is that we do have to

1:07:25

do it all yeah and you know

1:07:27

for those people who you

1:07:29

are not connected that way or don't

1:07:31

have that much juice or or whatever

1:07:33

it's a real fucking challenge

1:07:36

but really the clubs were never that

1:07:38

great at it yeah you

1:07:40

know in terms of maybe you could do

1:07:42

morning radio and that might work right I'm

1:07:44

not even sure how anybody drew other than

1:07:47

people knew them From

1:07:49

television. Yeah, you know they took out

1:07:51

a newspaper ad and they thought I

1:07:53

guess the newspaper ad right? but morning

1:07:55

radio? that was the thing I don't

1:07:57

even know how many people that drew.

1:08:00

I don't know either. God damn it

1:08:02

I remembered league. remember ties with the

1:08:05

Doubts Bennett Oh, I know I'd somewhat

1:08:07

oh man knowing I have a fuck

1:08:09

about that by the time I got

1:08:11

there. you just doing is like this

1:08:14

weird. The other three comic servicing than

1:08:16

deaths hours complain about his stomach or

1:08:18

something. I see was

1:08:20

great I mean I remember I just

1:08:22

before i didn't hardly as the scene

1:08:25

to and then it and i was

1:08:27

cleaning houses you know and the phone

1:08:29

ss know in Lafayette authority a house

1:08:31

in Lafayette is really nice house and

1:08:33

the father of the family. Was home

1:08:36

here and. I didn't real or he came

1:08:38

home but I would. I'd use their speakers the jack

1:08:40

about then it's like us clean, all. Over the house,

1:08:42

Earth. And they It was like a house speaker's everywhere

1:08:44

of us. And that weren't mess

1:08:46

with being. Feel. Seizure

1:08:48

and or the dad walked in and of

1:08:51

like i'm sorry he says that they to.

1:08:53

Turn it down. it's. More

1:08:55

and yeah, few and so for Oh

1:08:57

my God. He was great! Let's.

1:08:59

Hope the wind is held view and he started

1:09:01

with your woes when he to a third and

1:09:03

eighty seven. Zero. Advair i

1:09:05

me I got there once I get

1:09:07

their teeth as easy. You came from

1:09:10

New York. Yeah right right. Meet. Him

1:09:12

around the same time. Like a selleck Patton has had

1:09:14

in my head and a i'm blain that you guys

1:09:16

are team. For year there was I was

1:09:18

like nine the to lose. Sadly, Dana Gould

1:09:20

with already their regime along with yeah right

1:09:23

yeah you were coming up in sort of

1:09:25

their golden age a little bit a little.

1:09:27

Their yeah I Will was still left of

1:09:29

it like who Is A Slayton. Can.

1:09:32

Blame when an elite mean he was headlight. Yeah,

1:09:34

they were. On their yeah those are the

1:09:36

I was you Murray on Earth. For.

1:09:39

This is Ellen was not there

1:09:41

anymore. Okay see Mercy Murphy John

1:09:43

was such a murderer Yeah mail

1:09:45

my guys she killed so hard

1:09:47

as Kravitz yes was and of

1:09:49

around stow the as. He was

1:09:51

Bob Rubin. Out. All the way,

1:09:53

your breath. craig's i

1:09:56

was sort of like you're just putting on

1:09:58

a date yeah i'm kenny yeah Was Bobby

1:10:00

there? Was Bobby there? Was

1:10:02

Bobby there? Was Bobby there? Goldthwaite?

1:10:05

Yeah, Goldthwaite was there. It's crazy. That

1:10:07

was crazy time. Yeah, and then they kind of,

1:10:09

they, I don't know when they moved. Then the whole

1:10:11

group left. Moved to LA. Yeah, LA.

1:10:13

Well, yeah, that's because that's when- The different groups

1:10:15

left. Yeah. When we came in, everyone

1:10:18

had gone. Like when Blaine and Patton

1:10:20

and I arrived, there was definitely a

1:10:22

deficit. Yeah, for sure. And everyone had

1:10:25

left except for Johnny Steele. All people,

1:10:27

yeah. And Carlos Alsrocki had an idea. Yeah,

1:10:29

yeah, yeah. Yeah. Carlos is down the street

1:10:31

from me now. He is? Yeah. He's

1:10:34

a very nice guy. Yeah, he's a great guy.

1:10:36

He's two gorgeous daughters and- Oh really? Yeah. These

1:10:39

fucking people that end up with normal lives, I don't understand

1:10:41

it. I know, it's weird. I couldn't manage it. I

1:10:43

mean, I have a semi-normal life and it's strange to

1:10:45

me, you know? And when my kid was born, I

1:10:47

was like, good luck. I did my job. I gave

1:10:49

birth to you and now I'm like- Is it normal

1:10:51

though? Like you had the kid and then the marriage broke

1:10:53

up and he was- It wasn't a marriage, but it was

1:10:55

a relationship. Yeah, he was a comic. Yes. He's

1:10:58

nothing normal though. No, there's nothing normal about it. But

1:11:00

he does go to a public school, you know? No,

1:11:02

other than like you're doing a good job as a

1:11:04

single mom. We'll see, fingers crossed. Sounds like you are.

1:11:06

He's a- I love him. He's my favorite person. What's

1:11:08

his relationship with his father? Good? I

1:11:11

think it's good. Oh yeah? Yeah, I probably shouldn't

1:11:13

get too much into any weeds on that. Yeah,

1:11:16

sure. Well, good. All right, well,

1:11:18

it was good talking to you. Yeah, thanks for having me back. What

1:11:20

is this special on? It's

1:11:23

called Siswook Grieflet. It's on Apple

1:11:25

TV, Amazon Prime. It's a comedy dynamic, so they

1:11:28

push it out. I remember doing a

1:11:30

promo for Samsung TV Plus. It's

1:11:32

probably on your microwave if you have- I

1:11:36

don't know. There's so many platforms now. Siswook

1:11:38

Grieflet. Oh, I like it. T-I-S.

1:11:41

Yes. As in- Siswook

1:11:44

Grieflet. Yeah. I just

1:11:46

got an email that said, my TV show, which is hard

1:11:48

to find, is running on Viking cruise ships. Someone's

1:11:52

like, I'm watching you go on Viking on a

1:11:54

boat. Nice. What the fuck?

1:11:57

It's like, I did my last special with HBO,

1:11:59

which isn't really- International yeah until it gets

1:12:01

to Sky TV or whatever the affiliates are

1:12:03

right so like no one could see it

1:12:05

in Europe unless they flew on a certain

1:12:07

airline like people like what's your special on

1:12:09

the flight well you're finally a cruise ship

1:12:12

comic yes it took a long time and

1:12:14

I'm happy to know that I made it sure

1:12:16

all right well I I like to special I

1:12:18

loved it oh thanks so much there

1:12:26

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the last time he was on

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298 your mother taught what music

1:13:51

really yeah like go like what does she

1:13:54

play piano yeah she plays piano she played

1:13:56

cello do you play piano no oh

1:13:58

and no really I played the violin. You

1:14:01

played the violin? So you were

1:14:03

really pulled in two directions, weren't you? Yeah,

1:14:06

I was because I played on all the

1:14:08

school sports teams and I did drama and

1:14:11

music as well. So I was

1:14:13

the one thing

1:14:16

that floated between those two worlds. So I

1:14:18

would turn up to like rehearsals for things

1:14:20

with mud and blood on me. And

1:14:23

I would turn up to sporting events

1:14:25

with a violin case. Imagine which of

1:14:27

those was more difficult. You

1:14:31

can wash the blood off. You cannot make that violin

1:14:33

case disappear. It's too bad that your parents weren't more

1:14:35

strict and made you play the violin because then you

1:14:37

could have might have been a sports player. Oh no,

1:14:39

they kind of did make me play the violin. And

1:14:42

your contempt for that didn't drive you harder

1:14:44

into sport. I

1:14:48

went as hard into sport as I could. When

1:14:50

I had physical, I wasn't good enough. You just

1:14:52

weren't good enough. I can't even believe I'm saying

1:14:54

that out loud now. I wasn't

1:14:56

good enough. I was never

1:14:58

going to make my career as a professional footballer.

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1:15:04

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