0:00

Fuck the gays! Alright,

0:09

let's do this. How are you? What

0:12

the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What

0:14

the fuck Knicks? What's happening? What is

0:16

happening? Today on the

0:18

show, I talked to David Krumholz. You

0:20

definitely know this guy. I feel like I've known him

0:22

my whole life. He's been acting since

0:25

he was a kid. Lots of people grew

0:27

up with him from the movies like The

0:30

Santa Claus and Adam's Family Values,

0:33

The Swams of Beverly Hills. He

0:35

was on the shows Numbers and

0:37

The Deuce. And most recently he was an Oppenheimer.

0:40

He's in a new movie called Lousy Carter,

0:42

which is great. Great showcase for him. But

0:45

he's one of these guys, Krumholz, where I'm like, you know, how am

0:47

I not going to get along with that guy? We

0:49

seem like kindred spirits. And

0:51

we did. We did get

0:54

along. We're different, but we understood each other. And

0:56

it was good to see him. I'm

0:59

kind of perky right now because once again,

1:01

I realized that this

1:03

show is my life and

1:06

this show can dictate how my

1:08

day goes, how my week goes. I just

1:10

did an interview in here with somebody

1:12

that many of you don't know, probably some of

1:14

you do know. You know, it

1:17

was an engaged conversation for an

1:19

hour like I do here. And

1:21

that's what my life is. That

1:23

is the nourishment of my life is

1:25

to just sort of, you know, be as open

1:28

as possible. Most times, sometimes I'm

1:30

a little defensive. Sometimes I'm a

1:32

little bullying. Sometimes I'm a little

1:34

soft. There's a lot of different

1:36

variations of who I am on

1:39

a soul level. And

1:42

it all comes out here with these

1:44

people who most of which I only

1:46

have one conversation with. And it makes

1:48

my heart and mind and life better.

1:51

This job, talking

1:53

to people in

1:56

a way without expectation, to

1:58

get to know them. to

2:00

hear where they're coming from. No agenda.

2:05

It's a very beautiful thing, and

2:07

for some reason today, I feel that more

2:10

than others. I'm in

2:12

Madison, Wisconsin at the Barrymore Theatre on

2:14

Wednesday, April 3rd. Milwaukee, Wisconsin at the

2:16

Turner Hall Ballroom on Thursday, April 4th.

2:19

Chicago at the Vic Theatre on Friday,

2:21

April 5th. Minneapolis at the Pantages Theatre

2:23

on Saturday, April 6th. Austin,

2:26

Texas at the Paramount Theatre on Thursday,

2:28

April 18th as part of the Moon

2:30

Tower Comedy Festival. Montclair, New Jersey on

2:32

Thursday, May 2nd at the Wellmont Center.

2:34

Glenside, Pennsylvania in the Philadelphia area on

2:36

Friday, May 3rd at the Keswick Theatre.

2:39

Washington, D.C. on Saturday, May 4th

2:42

at the Warner Theatre. Munhall, Pennsylvania

2:44

outside Pittsburgh on May 9th at

2:46

the Carnegie Library Music Hall. Cleveland,

2:49

Ohio May 10th at Playhouse Square,

2:51

Detroit, Michigan. May

2:53

11th at the Royal Oak Music Theatre and just

2:55

added this week, Sacramento on November

2:57

8th at the Crest Theatre. There's

3:00

a presale going on right now

3:02

with the password ALLIN. One word.

3:05

A-L-L-I-N. General tickets on

3:07

sale tomorrow. Go to wtfpod.com/tour for

3:09

all my dates and links to

3:11

tickets. Can you dig it? Yes,

3:14

I can. I

3:18

did something the other day that I realized, again,

3:20

not talking about age in any negative way, but

3:23

one of my favorite shirts, one of

3:25

my Ship Jon shirts, one of my

3:28

button-ups that many of you have seen because

3:30

I've worn it on many different shows in

3:33

a long time. For some

3:35

reason, when I'm in a

3:37

creative zone, I

3:40

walk around with a notebook. Look, I have a

3:42

notes thing on my phone. I could use that,

3:44

but I walk around with a notebook and I

3:46

stick it in my breast pocket and I stick

3:48

my fucking pen in there. I got a very

3:50

specific type of pen, and this is not like

3:52

something I haven't done before. I stuck it in

3:54

there. I went to see a show last night,

3:56

and then when I got home, I realized, oh,

3:58

okay. My pen

4:00

was open and now

4:02

my shirt is fucking

4:04

ruined and there's nothing I can do

4:06

about it. Now

4:09

there's a lot of things you can go through in your mind.

4:11

You know, who the fuck puts a pen in their pocket? Who

4:13

the fuck even carries a pen anymore? What the fuck is wrong

4:15

with you? Why don't you get on board? Why

4:17

don't you fucking wake up, dude? You have all

4:20

the technology in your hand and the monster. Yeah?

4:23

You got the charged monster right in

4:25

your fucking pocket just right with that.

4:27

You can't even read your own fucking

4:29

handwriting. What is this old ass tradition

4:32

of yours that requires

4:35

a pad and paper? And

4:38

it's good questions. These are

4:41

good questions. But there's something

4:43

about the way I engage mentally

4:45

with a pad and paper and I got

4:47

to be honest with you. I can barely

4:49

read my fucking handwriting. It's

4:51

a decoding process. I've talked about

4:54

this before. There's no reason

4:56

for it. It's the same with

4:58

Post-its pieces of paper. For some reason, this is still

5:00

the way I work where

5:02

everything is just a pile of scraps

5:05

and notebooks where I have to figure out what the fuck

5:07

I was thinking and why I wrote something, why

5:09

I wrote what I did. And what is it?

5:13

What is that word even? So

5:16

now it's been

5:18

a while since I ruined a shirt, but I ruined

5:20

one of my favorite shirts. And I'm a big boy.

5:22

I can take the hit. I don't give a fuck.

5:24

On some level, I do. It was one of my

5:26

favorite Chip-John shirts, one of my favorite shirts in general.

5:29

And now I just got to live with it. It's irreplaceable. Is

5:32

this going to be enough to get me

5:35

to forego the pen,

5:38

get rid of the notebook,

5:41

change my process? No.

5:44

I don't know if you know this about me. There was a

5:46

time where I knew this would happen. It was probably after

5:48

the last time I ruined a Filson shirt and then ended

5:51

up with three of them. And

5:53

I ordered pocket protectors from

5:57

Amazon. Those plastic things you put in.

6:00

English Dick pens in and I ordered

6:02

them and for a while I was,

6:04

I had it in my pocket

6:06

and then I realized like well to really

6:08

use a pocket protector you're going to need more than one

6:10

pen. You should have a few

6:12

pens in there, maybe a pencil and an

6:14

instrument used for drafting

6:17

or engineering. It was

6:19

too much. The demand of the pocket protector was too

6:21

much and here I am. Here I

6:24

am again at a crossroads with

6:26

a permanently stained shirt that can only

6:28

look like one thing. There's

6:31

no hiding it. It's just sort of like hey

6:33

stupid, what? You can close your pen?

6:37

But you know what? I'm going to go back to it. It's

6:40

just the way I am. I'm dug in. I'm

6:43

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7:54

This is kind of exciting because I'm able to announce

7:58

bad guys too! Is

8:00

happening bad guys

8:02

to mr snake mr snake

8:05

is going to be back

8:08

and it's gonna i think it's slated to release.

8:11

In the summer of twenty twenty five we've

8:14

already i feel like we've already recorded most

8:16

of the movie. But because

8:18

it's not covered we can all

8:20

be in the same room together which was pretty

8:23

fun and dreamworks is very close to my

8:25

house it's a great job. But

8:27

we did we laid out a lot of the script

8:29

it was great to get together with everybody. The

8:32

crew and then the you know

8:34

the actors so in the studio was me and

8:37

craig robinson and anthony ramos

8:40

and aquafina and sam

8:42

rockwell were in new york on

8:44

zoom. And we kind

8:46

of a you know we did the business.

8:50

And it was a blast it's fun to

8:52

be able to read with the cast in

8:54

real time. We did

8:57

some ripping had some had some it's

8:59

just you know i imagine that's the way it

9:01

used to be done back in the day. You

9:03

know now because of technology you can just go in

9:06

and record your part with someone else reading the other

9:08

parts and that be the end of it but this

9:10

is really. Makes for a better

9:12

animated experience i think if the emotions are

9:14

connected and i don't want to. I

9:17

don't want to spoil anything but i'm

9:20

not going to i did not

9:23

only own and i she's also in the

9:25

movie and we were able to. To

9:27

hammer it out one on one hadn't seen in

9:29

a while and it was it's

9:32

it's good fun. And i'm

9:34

happy that i get to announce that not

9:36

only are we doing it but i feel

9:39

like a lot of it might be done but

9:41

you kind of go in the they tweak things

9:43

and you do other things and. But

9:45

it was a fun movie and

9:47

it's coming back and i'm i'm

9:50

mr snake again yeah mr

9:54

snake i'm

9:56

back so that's fun.

10:00

out some hooks. It's so funny because I

10:02

started doing something that, you know, in the

10:04

script that that kind

10:06

of becomes, you

10:08

know, this signature thing that

10:12

I just got from the

10:14

way Kit says this word

10:17

and now it's in there. I was like, I'm going to

10:19

use it like that. Anyway,

10:22

it's fun to do that kind of work and

10:24

it's happening. So look, you

10:27

guys, I'm excited to present to

10:29

you now my conversation

10:31

with the intense and

10:34

thoughtful and this

10:39

guy's a character to me

10:41

and I'm glad we hung out

10:43

because I feel like it was supposed to happen. David

10:47

Krumholz is in a new movie called

10:49

Lousy Carter. It's a dark comedy.

10:52

I enjoyed it. It comes out tomorrow, March 29th

10:54

in theaters and on digital

10:56

on-demand platforms. It's a unique movie

10:59

and this is me and

11:01

David Krumholz talking now. Here

11:13

we are. Hey, there he is. You're

11:16

the guy from The Thing, from a lot of things. Yeah, too

11:19

many things. Do you

11:22

get that? Predictable shit. No, it's not predictable.

11:24

But I mean, as a character actor, I

11:26

would assume maybe you consider yourself that to

11:29

some degree or just an actor. No, that's the

11:31

whole idea. Yeah. Yeah. But so that means you

11:33

kind of sign up for being like, dude, that

11:35

guy. I guess so. You know,

11:37

I like to think that my face has practically

11:39

been sewn into the great American pop culture quilt

11:42

at that point. It has. You're

11:44

an American tradition. That's correct. And

11:47

someone say treasure. I'm the Peter Laurie of

11:49

my day. I'm the Peter Laurie of my

11:51

day. I believe so. The whole idea is

11:53

like to do anything. Yeah. Is to be

11:56

able to do anything. You know, I don't

11:58

like this whole... Pigeon

12:01

holding and branding shit that goes on.

12:03

Who did that happen to in your

12:05

mind? What are we seeing? Outside

12:07

of the pantheon. Well, people brand themselves. It's not like

12:10

it happens to them. Right.

12:13

I find if you stay long enough in

12:15

Los Angeles in particular, you kind of got

12:17

to do that because

12:19

that's what people expect. I

12:22

knew from a very early age that

12:24

if I did that, it

12:26

would be great and then people would be like, oh,

12:29

we've had enough. Yeah, well,

12:31

you started so early. I

12:33

mean, it's amazing that you

12:35

didn't...it's amazing you avoided that

12:37

somehow in the way that

12:39

when you start as a kid and you are that

12:41

kid, then you're going to be that kid

12:43

until you're not a kid anymore and then people are like,

12:46

what happened to that guy? Yeah. But

12:48

I knew what I could do. You know, like I

12:50

knew I could do...my dad was

12:52

a really talented guy who had

12:54

no idea that he

12:57

was. He did. He was

12:59

a mailman in New York City for 30 years.

13:01

He worked at Night Shift. In the night shift,

13:03

yeah. He had to go to work at 3

13:05

AM. So he was at the post office or

13:07

at Murray Hill? The Murray Hill post office and

13:09

delivery. He was sometimes he'd box mail and sometimes

13:11

he'd actually go deliver it. Did he enjoy it?

13:14

No. Fucking miserable. It drove

13:16

him crazy. I mean, he drove him crazy.

13:19

But and he was a neurotic mess.

13:22

He was the rhesus monkey with the wire mother. I

13:24

mean, he was all fucked up. He

13:27

used to do a lot of accents. He

13:29

could do like, you know, he liked for me to

13:31

do...give me an act. Give me a region. Yeah. You

13:34

know, Italian and he would do like, you

13:37

know, or he'd do an impressions and shit.

13:40

And I just thought,

13:42

oh, I can do that too and I want to

13:44

do that. But he was also, he was entertaining to

13:46

you. Oh, dude, my father was

13:48

the most... Dude, my

13:50

father was...God bless him, man. First of

13:52

all, he was dumb. He

13:55

was dumb, which is great. He's not with us anymore?

13:57

He's dead. He's a doornail. Yeah.

14:00

Which is which was awesome. Yeah, get yourself

14:02

a dumb father. My dad's becoming dumb. That's

14:04

great And you know and he's only smart

14:06

in one way it turns out There

14:08

you go. A lot of people are only smart

14:11

and they happen to be a doctor but the

14:13

rest of it was garbage There's geniuses out there

14:15

who are total morons. Yes, totally No,

14:18

my dad was a very

14:20

simple man He was

14:23

intimidated by responsibility and by

14:25

life in general That's

14:27

a good way to put it and whereas he

14:30

was a very funny person who

14:32

understood comedy. Yeah, he

14:34

really He

14:36

was unintentionally outrageously

14:38

funny and the butt of every joke and

14:41

So much so that my entire family sort of

14:43

would talk behind his back about the stuff that

14:46

happened to him and how he would react There's

14:49

a thousand stories, but I'll give you one. Yeah, if

14:51

you want to hear one. It's a great joy. Yeah

14:53

Okay, just to give you an idea of what kind

14:55

of a man we have time I we gotta fill

14:58

this time did he yeah, he first of all he

15:00

got shit on by birds more than anyone I could

15:02

even as a male of as

15:04

everything the man I Personally

15:07

alone in my time with him saw him

15:09

get shit on by birds at least 12

15:11

times. Doesn't that mean he's lucky? No,

15:14

because he ended up dying of a rare

15:17

neurological disorder and suffering really badly So that

15:19

no that whole thing about being shit on

15:21

by birds. That's bullshit bullshit At

15:24

least in my dad's case But he

15:26

was he things would happen to him

15:28

and he had no sort of a self-awareness.

15:30

He just had none. Yeah And

15:33

one time just for an example and there's a

15:35

thousand stories, but one time obviously because he's my

15:37

dad, right? Yeah, but one

15:40

time he went to he called me and he

15:42

said he had custody of me on the weekends

15:44

My parents divorced when I was two years

15:46

old My mom broke a

15:48

frozen steak over my dad's head domestic

15:50

violence blood With the steak

15:53

with the steak. Yeah, so blood

15:55

I remember it's my earliest memory then

15:58

getting in the fight with the steak Yeah, and while it's a Watching my

16:00

mom crumble to the floor after she

16:02

did it and watching my dad bleeding

16:04

profusely from his head and calling his

16:06

mother and saying, I've got to get

16:08

out of here. That was how it ended. Very sad. It

16:11

is sad. Did you stay in touch with your mother? Oh

16:14

yeah. There's no choice. She'll be homeless if I

16:16

don't. God bless her. I love her. She's

16:19

a good person now. Yeah. It

16:21

only took 45 years. 40

16:24

years. Learning

16:27

curve. But anyway, he

16:29

called me and he said, hey, you want

16:31

to go to this Israeli restaurant that opened

16:33

up? And I'm like, no, I don't really.

16:35

I don't want to associate with my Jewishness

16:37

and, which is true to this day, and

16:39

I don't like

16:41

Mediterranean food. You

16:44

don't? How the? That's

16:46

the one you don't like?

16:48

Mediterranean. Mediterranean. It's so

16:51

simple. It's disgusting, in my

16:53

opinion. What did this to you? I

16:56

don't like a lot of shit. Which Mediterranean

16:58

food would you be like, that's that? Well,

17:02

Greek food turns me off in a major

17:04

way, but if we were forgetting specific, it's

17:06

the spices, man, and everything's very dry. The

17:09

meat is very dry. You know, they don't

17:11

believe in medium rare, which is bullshit.

17:14

Anywho, he goes, hey, I'm going

17:17

to this Israeli want to come with me. I'm like, no, that's

17:19

all right. I'll pass. He goes, okay, I'm going to go,

17:22

and then I'll pick you up afterwards and we'll have a

17:24

day, as we did. So

17:27

he goes, he comes in, he picks me

17:29

up and he says, you're not going to believe what

17:31

happened to me. And that was kind of, you know,

17:33

if I ever wrote a biography

17:35

of my dad, it would be, you're not going to

17:37

believe what happened to me. Because

17:40

things would constantly happen to him, which

17:42

was amazing. And mind you, I'm

17:44

like nine, and I know my dad is a

17:46

mess. It's so funny.

17:49

And I'm able to take real joy in it

17:51

and appreciate it. He

17:54

goes, I was eating the rice they gave me,

17:56

and I bit down on something really hard, and

17:59

I spit it out. And it was an olive

18:01

pit and eaten olive pit a

18:03

pre-eaten olive right in my mouth What

18:06

was left of the olive was in my rice

18:08

somehow and there were no olives in the dish

18:10

Yeah, and he said he told the

18:12

waiter and the waiter was like you must have put it there

18:14

or some shit sure And he was really pissed off about it

18:16

now my grandmother

18:19

His mother he lived with his mother till he in a

18:21

one-bedroom apartment till he was 36 years old oh,

18:25

and My grandmother was

18:27

a wickedly funny person

18:30

wildly broad just a

18:32

Super like a comedian

18:34

that never like an unrealized comedian. She

18:36

was that for our family She

18:39

was ballsy and mean what was her

18:41

name? Her name is Martha. Yeah, she

18:43

was ballsy and mean and and just

18:45

a prankster Just a wicked sarcastic Bastard

18:48

of a person who was also wonderful and

18:51

her prey her number one victim was

18:53

my father She loved to fuck with

18:55

him. She used to like Pretend

18:58

to draw a portrait of him and make

19:00

him sit still and like yell

19:02

at him if he moved his face Yeah, and

19:04

then eventually she like after like 20 minutes. She'd

19:06

turn the portrait around It would just be a

19:08

picture of a dick and balls. I

19:10

you know, she would do that to her own son It's

19:13

so weird. Yeah, because there was when I

19:15

was younger I worked at a deli. Mm-hmm

19:18

And there was this old Jewish guy that

19:20

worked at the deli who barely

19:22

spoke English and he'd always go I'm gonna

19:25

draw your picture. Yeah And

19:27

he would do that he would do that it's a joke.

19:29

It's a gift. It's such a funny bit. Yeah I've done

19:32

it to people but so So

19:34

she loved to fuck with him So I said when

19:37

I upon hearing this all of our story said you

19:39

gotta call grandma and tell her the story now This

19:41

is before cell phones. Yeah, we lived in

19:43

Forest Hills, Queens, which is a commuter

19:45

commuter neighborhood Yeah, I know it is

19:47

tons of like, you know buses and

19:50

and and trains subway stops major subway

19:52

lived in Astoria for years okay, so

19:55

At any moment on the corner

19:57

of any of any major intersection

20:00

far as till there's got to be 30-40 people just

20:02

walking in and out of work, coming back from work,

20:04

whatever. And there

20:06

was a payphone booth on

20:08

the corner there right by the train

20:10

station and I said, you got to call grandma,

20:13

tell her this story. She'll get a kick out

20:15

of it. So what

20:17

ensued was he calls

20:19

my grandmother and I'm watching him and

20:21

all I see is this and I

20:23

know my grandmother's fucking with him but

20:25

all eyewitnesses him going, telling

20:27

the story and then going, yeah, and there was an olive

20:29

pit in my food. No,

20:32

not an olive pit, the pit. Not

20:34

an olive, olive pit. Olive

20:36

pit. The pit!

20:39

And my dad, who was a big guy

20:42

with a large booming voice, started

20:44

screaming the word olive pit over and

20:46

over in the middle of the street.

20:49

Olive pit! Not a pit, an

20:51

olive pit! No,

20:54

not the olive, olive pit! Olive pit,

20:56

the pit of the olive! And

20:59

again, no awareness and people on

21:02

the street are like, stop, there's a man

21:04

screaming. Yeah, olive pit. Olive pit. Yeah. And

21:06

I'm standing there and I tell you, I

21:08

was bent over, you know, like you just

21:11

hit the floor and if

21:13

I tell you that happened constantly with my

21:15

dad, these things, the

21:18

shit that happened to my dad, it was

21:20

so funny and he had no clue. I

21:22

think there's got to be a Yiddish word

21:24

for that. I don't know what it

21:26

is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a guy

21:28

who gets the brunt of everything. A shtick

21:30

Fleischmann zweiggen. It was a piece of meat

21:33

with two eyes. It

21:35

was amazing. Yes, he was riotously

21:38

funny. But not

21:40

on purpose, per se. Never, barely

21:42

ever on purpose and... That's a

21:44

tough physician. But it was great

21:46

because, you know, it

21:50

made it so that I'm attracted to

21:52

really sort of viscerally funny belly

21:55

laughter comedians. Like clever comedy is

21:57

fine, you know. The UCB Impre-

22:00

That kind of stuff. It's also referential and

22:02

clever and god bless it. Yes, right. But

22:04

I like Brother Theodore. Sure,

22:06

no. Did you go see him? I never saw him. Oh,

22:09

he's right in the village for years. I know, but I

22:11

was young though. Were

22:13

you? Yeah. He might

22:15

have been too depressing. I might have missed the joke at

22:18

that time. But I think

22:20

he's probably a lot like your father. I don't think

22:22

he necessarily always knew he was being funny. I think

22:24

he, someone told him he was funny and then he

22:26

just did it in a context. No, I think he

22:28

was being him. Yeah. Yeah, and that's who he

22:30

was, which is amazing. Yeah. That he lived

22:33

that way with that mind. But

22:35

that kind of stuff has always been

22:38

the funniest stuff. I don't care about,

22:40

I don't care what your witty reference

22:42

I could give two shits about. You

22:44

just make me the fall. Make me,

22:46

you know. Right. Well, there are guys

22:48

that are, you know, have no choice.

22:51

Correct. And those are the funny guys.

22:53

Right. Or guys who are, like I'm

22:56

always very, I like physically, I like

22:58

physical comedy when it's natural. Mm-hmm. When

23:01

it's not thought about. There's some guys

23:03

that they just can't, they cannot be

23:05

funny. Correct. Born funny. Yeah, just even

23:07

in movements. Yeah, and then once they

23:10

sort of realize their power, and it's

23:12

like off to the races. Yeah. Tracy Morgan

23:14

to me. Exactly. Yeah, sure. He's like crazy

23:16

funny. Yeah, and a lot of times he

23:18

doesn't even make sense. Right. Yeah. Right. It's

23:20

just, it's just him being like

23:22

her. But you like someone like Rickles. Oh.

23:25

Okay. Through the roof. Yeah. Probably my favorite.

23:27

I saw Rickles four times in Vegas. You

23:30

did? Yeah, four separate. When he was still

23:32

standing? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was jaw-droppingly

23:35

funny. I watched some of the old guys,

23:37

you know, and the thing about Rickles

23:40

that was amazing, and probably why you liked him, is that

23:42

he go out on Carson. And from

23:45

the get-go, he was flailing. Right.

23:47

He was already failing, and

23:50

just throwing for the fucking fences. Right. He

23:52

couldn't, like it didn't start out clever, or

23:54

like, you know, he was taking shots that

23:56

didn't make sense. He was already sweating. He

23:58

was turning. It was... immediately

24:00

furious panic. But then what was great about him

24:03

is then he sort of would call out the

24:05

audience and sort of say, oh no, if you

24:07

don't get this, the joke's on you. Sure. You

24:09

know, you're the butt of my jokes right now

24:11

and you're not understanding what I how way ahead

24:14

I am. Way ahead and you know and he

24:16

would he I talk about it

24:18

a lot. He would say things that made

24:20

no sense. Mm-hmm. And and it was the

24:22

timing. You're laughing and then you don't even

24:24

think long enough to realize like that didn't

24:27

even make sense. Right. Right. I met him

24:29

once. Yeah. He was decrepit. Yeah. And

24:32

I told him I loved him. Yes. And

24:34

I was hoping he'd be funny but he was too decrepit

24:37

to be funny. What did he say? He

24:39

just said thank you. Oh. That was nice. One

24:41

time I'm a comic, right? So one time I

24:45

met Jackie Mason. Wow, I met Jackie

24:47

Mason too. I didn't like him. You

24:49

know, I love Jackie Mason. I don't. I

24:51

don't. You don't like him as a comedian?

24:53

Nope. Oh, I disagree with you. I disagree

24:55

with you. Well, that's fine. Not because I'm

24:57

Jewish like Beliebe. It's not. It's. That's exactly

24:59

why I don't like him. Because

25:02

what? Because I'm Jewish. Yeah, no. And

25:04

there was something about him the way

25:06

he was too Jewish. Contextual. The way

25:09

he contextualized Jewishness. Uh-huh. I pushed back

25:11

on. You know, because I was not

25:13

you know that I fought

25:15

against my Jewishness. Me too. I still do. Sorry.

25:18

I know. Sorry. No, it's all right. I

25:21

don't anymore. But like you know in

25:23

terms of if I talk about it, but I'm not going like.

25:25

You know what I mean? Right, right, right. But

25:28

there was something about when I was starting as

25:30

a comic that the stereotype that he bartered

25:32

in was annoying to

25:34

me because it was limiting. And I

25:37

hear you. However, on

25:39

a technical level. Yeah, okay. Yeah, sure.

25:41

Very good. Yeah, but very good. You

25:43

know, but like the direct legacy of

25:45

that technique is something like

25:47

David Tell. Mm-hmm. Who is fucking

25:50

much more funny. Who doesn't have to do

25:52

that? Well, he doesn't have to have a

25:54

point of view other than whatever that weird

25:57

sadness or thing that he has. Mm-hmm. He's

26:00

a naturally funny guy. I worked with David Tell and

26:02

then like two years after I worked with him, I

26:04

saw him in the street and said hello to him.

26:06

He had no interest in speaking with me whatsoever.

26:08

I've known him since, I've known him for 35 years

26:11

and we've had two conversations and both were on this

26:13

show and he had to do it. Yeah,

26:15

I can see that. But it's not, it's not

26:18

that he doesn't like you. He's not aloof. He's

26:20

just sort of like, uh, no, yeah. It was

26:22

clear. I didn't say, I didn't take it personally.

26:24

Yeah, yeah. Jackie Mason, so I meet him and

26:28

I, you know, he, the

26:30

owner of Catch Rising star, Rick

26:32

Newman introduces me. Jackie

26:34

Mason, he's old and hair is a weird color

26:37

and he's a Trumper. This

26:39

before that. This before that. Okay. No,

26:42

this was like in the 90s and Rick goes, uh, this is Mark

26:44

Maron. He's a young comedian and Jackie Mason

26:46

goes, doesn't look funny. Nice. What

26:49

a sweetheart. You

26:52

know, the thing is, man, here's

26:54

the deal though. Yeah. With

26:57

the, with the, with the, I want to

26:59

talk about the, uh, distancing myself from my Jewishness.

27:02

You know you can't, right? Exactly. Here's

27:04

the thing. It's like you can pass.

27:07

I'm looking at you. I know. You

27:09

can pass as a non-Jew. Sure. Right?

27:12

Yeah. My name is David Crumholtz. Yeah. I

27:15

have the, I look like I'm basically the

27:17

next five-ish Finkel. Like there's no, and

27:20

so you can imagine how desperate

27:22

I am. You're almost, you're almost

27:24

a, a, a racist. Racial caricature.

27:26

Oh yeah. That's distributed among, uh,

27:28

you know, anti-Semites. I am the

27:30

poster of the Nazi propaganda poster.

27:32

If I, I can make that face. Um,

27:36

I just made it and it's very, it's

27:38

yeah, authentic. Um, but

27:41

yeah, like, uh, for me, look, I'm a proud

27:43

Jew. Jews are great. I

27:45

have no problem with Jews, other Jews. The only Jew I have

27:47

a problem with is myself and I,

27:49

I'm just not, I'm

27:51

very much a, uh, an American.

27:54

Sure. I'm better or worse, but, but

27:57

I don't, I've never, I was never

27:59

raised religiously. But that's just

28:01

part of the Jewish cultural experience, right? Exactly.

28:04

You were raised culturally Jewish. The way

28:06

you talk and think is probably culturally

28:08

Jewish. Absolutely. I say, oi oi

28:10

oi. I say, gevalt and all. Yeah, I don't even

28:12

do that. I do that shit and I hate when

28:14

you get that from your father, your mother, grandmother. The

28:16

whole lot. My

28:18

mom was born in Hungary, so my

28:20

family, her side of the family was

28:23

just straight up immigrant-like. Like, where they

28:25

fleeing? They flee the Hungarian revolution, yeah.

28:27

When the Russians in 1956. Oh,

28:30

wow. So they lived through the Holocaust.

28:33

And then my dad's family

28:36

were Polish, Brooklynites. And

28:39

so, yeah, very much in that sort of

28:41

whatever that's called. And also New York. Very

28:43

schmaltzy. Yeah, I mean, and that's

28:45

sort of like, I mean, you don't, you know, like

28:47

I interviewed Carl

28:50

Reiner once. And him and

28:52

Mel Brooks best friends for 100 years. Right.

28:55

Mel could not be more Jewish, correct? In

28:57

terms of how he presents, Carl Reiner at

29:00

some point killed that part of him publicly.

29:03

Yeah, I think so. It's kind of interesting because

29:05

he wanted to be an actor. And when I

29:07

talked to him at length, he didn't say that,

29:09

but it was clear that, you know, when he

29:11

started, you know, he was not going to be

29:13

that. Right, right, right. You didn't do that. Well,

29:15

here's the deal. I

29:18

don't shy away from it. I need work.

29:20

I work. If it comes in, it's like a

29:22

rabbi thing. Like, fuck it, I'll do it. But

29:24

I don't love doing it a lot

29:28

because what ends up happening is typecasting,

29:30

right? And then they go, hey,

29:33

go to rabbi, go to Jew, it's

29:35

crumholes. But we've seen him do it

29:37

in the last five things and we need a new

29:39

crumhole to come in and do it. And

29:42

so I'm desperate to get away from those. Plus,

29:45

to be honest with you, I could do it

29:47

with my eyes closed. Playing a Jew is like

29:49

the easiest. Sure. Yeah. But

29:52

there's a spectrum to it. And also, like, I don't know

29:54

if there right now. Look, when

29:56

I was growing up, there were Jewish, Jewish leading

29:58

men. They're gone. You

30:00

know, you had, you know, Elliot Gould, James Cahn,

30:03

Dustin Hoffman, I mean, and then the two Italians,

30:05

and that was all of them. Pacino and De

30:07

Niro, and then the three Jews, four Jews, whatever.

30:09

That was it. You're right. And right now, like

30:12

even in comedy, I mean, when I was

30:14

growing up, that joke I have about it

30:16

is that, you know, where have all these

30:18

Jews gone? And I believe that antidepressants killed

30:20

Jewish companies. I

30:24

don't know. I think I've gotten funnier. I think

30:26

my antidepressants are like making me way funnier. I'm

30:28

just saying it in a general way. No, I

30:30

hear you. I hear you. Killed Jewish comedy, yeah.

30:33

Yeah, yeah, because like, you know, comedy was fundamental.

30:35

American comedy was Jewish and black, and that was

30:37

fundamentally, at its core, jokes

30:41

about depression. You know, it was like stand up,

30:43

you know, like Woody Allen and Richard Lewis and

30:45

those kinds of people. It was

30:47

all about how neurotic I am, how depressed I am.

30:49

That was the generation after it was Yiddish. Right, right.

30:51

It was like more first person. Like, you know, Lenny

30:54

Bruce did, like half of it, you know, a lot

30:56

of Yiddish in there. Making fun

30:58

of suffrage also. And also

31:00

trying to get a foot

31:03

up or whatever, the leg up. You

31:05

know, because what were the Jews going to do? I

31:07

didn't realize until I was older that there were Jewish

31:09

boxers, like a lot of them. Oh, yeah. Barney

31:12

Ross. Yeah. Max Baer.

31:14

But there was a whole bunch of secondary ones. Joe Lewis.

31:17

Of course, one of the great Jews. Major Jews. Yeah.

31:20

Yeah. My grandparents went to

31:22

the same temple. But

31:27

it's interesting because about this,

31:29

because I have feelings about it. I

31:31

mean, how many times have you worked with Judd

31:34

Hirsch? I've worked with Judd

31:36

Hirsch, I think, three times. One

31:38

time I worked for them for six years.

31:40

He actually gave me a number start in

31:42

acting. He did. He was like my acting dad. What

31:45

was that story? I was 13. I

31:48

was a normal human being kid, just

31:51

for whatever extent. I had

31:54

no interest

31:56

in doing anything, much less becoming an actor.

32:00

And my

32:03

English, my like sixth

32:06

period English teacher was

32:08

a wonderful man named Lon Blaise. And I

32:10

had done the school play and he had

32:13

directed it. And

32:18

about a year later, or less than a year

32:20

later, he said, hey, they're

32:23

coming around to

32:25

schools. But this was a thing they were doing in

32:27

the early 90s where they'd go to public schools and

32:30

they were looking for kid actors who

32:33

weren't like perfect, weren't like trained.

32:35

They didn't know the ropes. Yeah,

32:37

had no agent and they

32:40

wanted authenticity, fresh people. And what

32:42

they would do in New York City specifically is go

32:44

to New York City public schools and talk to teachers

32:46

and say, hey, this is the kind of kid we're

32:48

looking for. If you think any kid you have is

32:50

funny or talented, tell them to come down. And there

32:53

was this Broadway play called Conversations with My Father, this

32:55

Herb Gardner play. That Judd Hirsch was the

32:57

lead of it. It was to play Judd Hirsch's son.

32:59

So you kind of have to resemble Judd Hirsch. And

33:02

my teacher, Lon Blaise, God bless him,

33:04

he said, hey, there's

33:06

this role. You should go in. And I thought,

33:09

well, that's, I don't know what, okay, sure. And

33:11

it was like on a Saturday in the basement

33:13

of a church in New York City in Manhattan.

33:16

And I went, I remember I went

33:19

with Billy Eichner because I grew up

33:21

with Billy and Billy's so funny. And

33:23

Billy had an agent and was a professional

33:25

actor. He sang. He

33:28

was amazingly talented even then.

33:31

And we went together and there was like

33:33

a thousand kids, like the CBS local news

33:35

was there. And I

33:37

was number 88. I got there early. And

33:40

I felt like, and they said, hey, just read

33:43

these lines like you're a stand-up comedian. That

33:45

was the direction. And I'd watched

33:47

a lot of stand-up on TV. So

33:51

that was easy for me. And they

33:53

called me back six times over the course of the

33:55

next eight weeks. And each time

33:57

there were less and less kids until eventually

33:59

it became clear that it was down to me

34:01

and another kid who happens to be a wonderful

34:04

comedic comedy director named Jason Wallener. Yeah, I

34:06

know that guy. A really good dude. So

34:08

he was the other kid. He was a

34:10

kid actor. And I had seen him on

34:12

like commercials, Saturday morning cartoons and stuff. And

34:15

I was like, oh shit, he's going to get it because he's a pro.

34:18

And I went in and Judd Hirsch was at

34:20

the final audition. And at

34:23

the end of it, I did my thing. It was

34:25

a very dramatic play. And Judd Hirsch said, you're a

34:27

really good actor. And I was

34:29

like, okay, sure, whatever. I guess I am.

34:31

And then I left and they

34:33

didn't call for like three weeks. And

34:35

I thought, oh, that's gross. I

34:38

just spent eight weeks auditioning for this thing and getting my

34:40

hopes up. You would think they'd call at least to say,

34:42

hey, you didn't get it. Welcome to show business. Right.

34:46

And then they fucking

34:48

called. And I was an actor on

34:50

Broadway with a large part in a

34:52

great Broadway play suddenly. And

34:54

it was big, right? And it was big. It

34:57

ran for a year. Judd

34:59

Hirsch won the Tony for Best Actor. And

35:03

yeah, it was just, I was stupid and

35:05

misbehaved. And I had no idea what a

35:08

professionalism was. Right. I

35:10

didn't care. Did you learn? I did. So

35:13

much so that a couple of years later, they rebooted

35:15

the play in LA. And

35:18

I saw it with Judd and Tony

35:20

Shalod was in it. And

35:23

they were all in the original Broadway

35:25

production. And I just showed up and

35:27

went backstage afterwards and profusely apologized to

35:30

all of them. I was just like, I'm

35:32

sorry that I was so out of control.

35:34

Did they feel like you needed to? No,

35:36

they got it. I mean, I was out

35:38

of control. But what did that mean? What

35:40

did they, just pranking, just doing pranks, but

35:42

never stopping, like just being in the way.

35:45

But there were no hookers or blow. No, not yet. Not

35:47

yet. But

35:50

yeah, you know, I just felt like, oh shit,

35:53

I should apologize to these people because I really

35:55

was out of control. But

35:57

what do you expect? I was a

35:59

kid off the – the street, literally. But

36:01

talking about Jewishness, the thing about

36:04

Judd, because you know,

36:06

you worry about being typecast. By the

36:08

way, Judd worries about it too. He's

36:10

95, he's 89. He turned

36:14

89 two days ago. But this is the

36:16

interesting thing about Judd, is that with Judd,

36:18

you get the full spectrum of

36:20

jewelry. We were looking for a father to play

36:22

on my show on

36:27

IFC. And all these

36:29

old actors, they all are kind

36:31

of available. Just pay them. And Judd, you

36:35

know, everyone wanted Judd. And I said, I can't

36:37

do it. My father's not like, bup buh bup

36:39

bup bup bup bup. You know, he's not this

36:41

Jew-y guy. My dad's a bipolar fucking nut job.

36:44

And Judd is going to do the Jew thing. But

36:47

they're like, but they're not working. But I'm like, fine,

36:49

fine. And we're shooting the first

36:51

day. And Bobcat Goldthwaite's directing. And

36:54

I got my showrunners there. And

36:56

you know, it's Judd's first day as my dad.

36:58

And he's doing it. He's doing the cute Jew

37:01

thing. And you know, and I'm like, he's

37:03

doing it. What are we going to do? And the showrunners are

37:05

like, I don't know. And Bobby is like, you know, I don't

37:07

know. I'm like, what do you mean you don't know? He's an

37:09

actor. Go tell him. Just tell him.

37:11

I'm sure he was thrilled to hear it. Take

37:13

the Jewness down. Well, they told

37:16

him that he's bipolar. He's got an edge to

37:18

him. And like, like that. Yeah. Fucking nailed it.

37:20

Oh, jumped at the chance. I'm sure. Yeah. It

37:22

was beautiful. He deals with the same thing I

37:25

do, which is Jewface. Yeah. You know, like blatant

37:27

Jewface. Right. And he has his whole career and

37:29

they're always casting him as old rabbis and wanting

37:31

him to do like thick accents. And he's like,

37:33

fuck that. He was the best part of the

37:36

Fableman. Well, because he's an intellect. Right. And he

37:38

plays the intellect. Yeah. But also like kind of

37:40

a free spirit. Like, you know what

37:42

I mean? It was definitely a type. And I'm sure

37:44

you got to know him and that he is that.

37:46

A wild dude. I think he's like a bull. He's

37:49

like an awful bull. And you know,

37:51

and you know, it's surprising, you

37:53

know, the life he's led, but you know,

37:55

actors choose acting for a lot of different

37:57

reasons. Correct. A lot of it has to do with.

38:00

you know, not wanting a regular job, living

38:02

the life you want to live, and getting

38:04

away with something. And

38:07

also ego

38:09

feeding and, you know, workaholic

38:14

type, you know, torture shit.

38:16

Yeah, for you, for me,

38:18

yeah. Because I find that

38:21

I work harder when I'm not working on

38:23

a movie or a TV series or a play. What?

38:26

I just, I'm

38:28

very communicative with my representation.

38:31

Oh, okay. So you're like, why the

38:33

fuck did this guy? Basically, I live

38:35

and breathe this shit. I live and

38:38

breathe Hollywood. You know why? I got

38:40

nothing else. I grew

38:42

up worshiping films, worshiping comedians,

38:44

worshiping actors. I got

38:47

super lucky to be, that

38:49

time in that Broadway play, I got crazy lucky,

38:51

man. That doesn't happen to anybody. I

38:54

don't know anybody else that's happened to, so I

38:57

owe it to the privilege of whatever

39:00

divine intervention was involved

39:02

with me ending up of an

39:04

actor at all to like fight

39:06

my way through this as hard as I can and

39:08

to live and breathe it. And that's that's what I

39:10

do. That's what I've always done. You

39:13

know, I, for opportunity. For

39:15

opportunities. Right. Yeah. But when you, no, no,

39:17

no, for opportunity. Not jobs for opportunities. Right.

39:19

Yeah. But when you're on the set, now,

39:23

that's the easy part. Well, I know it's easy

39:25

for a lot of people, but I can't stand waiting. It's

39:27

a lot of waiting. Well, there's so much waiting in

39:29

between jobs though. So by the time I get to

39:31

a set, that's okay waiting? Yeah, they tell me it's

39:34

like three hours. I was like, I've been waiting three

39:36

months. So that's three years. So that's fine. No,

39:39

I love, I love, I don't love waiting either. I did

39:41

a, I did a comedy. I don't

39:44

want to say what it was, but I

39:46

did a comedy and you know, comedies should

39:48

be shot quickly. Yeah. I did this big

39:50

studio comedy of like 15,

39:53

16, maybe 20 years ago. Yeah. God

39:56

damn the DP spent, the

39:59

director of photography. I spent like eight

40:01

hours setting up every simple...

40:03

I never understand that. I don't understand that.

40:05

What the fuck is going on on there?

40:07

Like, where's the momentum? It's gone. You know,

40:09

there's just, there's gotta be momentum. Comedy, there's

40:11

gotta be. Did it turn out funny? In

40:14

my opinion, not really. Okay. But

40:16

some people like it. I cannot say what it

40:19

was. I'll tell you, you're a hurt people. I'm

40:21

trying not to do any harm today. My, really?

40:24

Yeah, I could do a lot of harm at any

40:26

moment. Well, you kinda went nuts on Twitter for a

40:28

while, didn't you? I did, that's why I stopped. What

40:31

drove that? I

40:34

mean, like how, because I don't

40:36

like... Craving attention. But

40:40

do you get to a point where

40:42

the anger, the

40:45

righteous anger in your

40:48

mind and probably

40:50

correctly justifies. And

40:52

then, you know, you get on that role

40:54

and you're like, I'm doing it. Here's the

40:57

deal. It fueled years of my career, that

40:59

righteous anger. Many years, but it wasn't making

41:01

me that much better an actor. But

41:04

didn't it upset your representation? Were you like that

41:06

on set? No. No, never. I'm

41:08

the loveliest person on earth. I'm an

41:10

oracle, I'm a light. People flock to me. And

41:14

it did not upset, well, it upset my

41:16

shitty representation early on. By,

41:18

you know, agents who have all quit

41:20

the business. My first like five agents

41:23

are like not agents anymore. They

41:25

weren't meant to do this. And

41:27

I had to work my way around them. But

41:31

the problem thing, the thing that you know, that I didn't

41:33

learn until later, like I used to

41:35

do that too. My entire early career as

41:37

a standup and it didn't get me any

41:39

opportunities, was me on the phone with my

41:41

manager saying, how the fuck did he get

41:43

that? Right. Who the fuck is it? You

41:45

know, what? Right, right, right. And there's

41:47

a big guy who was at a company

41:49

that produced things. I can't even get a

41:52

reading. Right. So once you

41:54

realize like you're just this bartering

41:56

tool, like, you know, like

41:58

a lot of times. you're gonna

42:01

get something because someone's doing your guy

42:03

a favor. Right, right, right. It's fucking

42:05

awful. And not only that, but your

42:07

agent is only getting you the job

42:10

to impress other agents, not impress you. And once they've

42:12

got you the job, they can always say they did

42:14

and they don't have to get you another one. Unless

42:17

they're creative themselves. And only the last

42:19

10 years have I had amazing representation.

42:21

All the other guys are gone though.

42:23

They literally quit the business. They got

42:25

laughed out of the business. I mean,

42:27

literally. There was one guy that's just,

42:30

I don't even, dude, his whole circumstance

42:32

was crazy. He married a wild

42:34

woman. She became a reality

42:37

star. It was so strange. Anyway,

42:41

you know, I have

42:44

fought my way through and I need fighters

42:47

on my team because people underestimate

42:49

or because people want to pigeonhole me. And I

42:51

knew that from very early on. And it's very

42:53

hard to convince anyone in this business that you

42:55

can do anything or that you believe you can

42:58

do anything and then you can actually sort of

43:00

kind of deliver most of the time. Right. But

43:02

you got to keep them remembering you

43:04

or else you got to make a lot of money for somebody.

43:07

Correct. And it's just about surprising the shit

43:09

out of people. Well, I mean, like, would

43:11

you say that your big break was the

43:13

Swamis of Beverly Hills in

43:15

movies? No, no, no. I would say the

43:17

Santa Claus. Really? Yeah. Because

43:20

Swamis of Beverly Hills was great. Swamis

43:22

of Beverly Hills was when people started taking me

43:25

seriously as an actor. Because in the Santa Claus,

43:27

Santa Claus was a huge hit. Yeah. But I

43:29

played a fucking Christmas elf. Right. You know, and

43:31

people, cute little kid playing a Christmas elf. Yeah,

43:33

that movie makes money in that movie. And it

43:35

makes a lot of money. Right. Swamis of Beverly

43:37

Hills was when people sort of said, and that's

43:39

when Judd Apatow saw me and

43:41

said, hey, there's something else there that's more

43:44

than just a kid actor. Right.

43:47

What did he put you in? We

43:49

did a pilot Called Sick in

43:51

the Head. It was me, Kevin Corrigan, Amy

43:53

Poehler, Andrea Martin, and Austin Pendleton. Yeah. It's

43:56

just a sick cast. Funny. Kevin McDonald from

43:58

the Kids in the Hall. Yeah. And

44:01

it was brilliant. are are are are it was

44:03

a multi cam sitcom or yeah but it was

44:05

character driven and which was different at the time

44:07

because was a lot of friends vs you hear

44:10

the Writers' room and every multi cam sitcoms suddenly

44:12

it's where's This was like a throwback to eighties

44:14

multi cams were was like more like character he

44:16

up in the you know jimmy the task he

44:19

would make a face and that would get a

44:21

lab right. He knew what he was thinking where

44:23

you didn't know what he was right and that's

44:25

the joke. So he wrote this brilliant saying cause

44:28

sick and the had about two hours two. Roommates

44:30

and Alliance and. Suits.

44:33

Response. And are taping

44:36

and and an s and it didn't get

44:38

picked up. It didn't It is.

44:40

It was shocking at what years s

44:42

that will.that was like Nineteen Ninety Eight,

44:45

I want to say. and Edu been

44:47

through that before that that sort of

44:49

incomprehensible. Kind. Of confusion in

44:51

disappointment of like how could this not

44:54

that was really the first time. Yeah

44:56

yeah. where I was like that's this

44:58

bullshit right? Everyone loves this. Ah can

45:00

say yes he played really well. What's

45:03

the problem here? Yes, the disconnect else.

45:06

And. The same here. Jet also produced Freaks

45:08

and Geeks Rice and Freaks and Geeks

45:10

Got Picked up Bright. And. Thank God

45:13

because I decided to come out to away

45:15

and live here on my own and try

45:17

to make something I'm I saw yes and

45:19

Judge knew I was really really lonely Via

45:21

and he was. I hate just come hang

45:23

out on the freaks and geeks at Meet

45:25

Everybody and those became my dearest friends. in

45:27

all those be all those actors Yeah my

45:29

dearest friends. Thank God for that or else

45:32

I would have gone crazy and Martin stars

45:34

in this new one. And Martin stars. And

45:36

and Lousy Carter Yeah Martin, this is just

45:38

a precious and of us have you. You've

45:40

met more. I've talked to Martin. I love

45:42

Martin. Very much. Yeah, he's a great guy.

45:44

He means well. He. Means well

45:46

and but also he's like he a

45:48

thoughtful, spiritual dude. Yes, and he wasn't

45:51

always that. Martin

45:53

could be frustrating at times and

45:55

more can rely on. Well.

45:59

You know, Showing up

46:01

three hours later, To. Things you

46:03

know he'd make a plan hey, wanna grab one

46:05

So that's just personal Sandy as he'd literally text

46:07

you ham on my way he and then show

46:09

up three hours later when he lived like five

46:12

minutes away and then you'd say hey Martin, what

46:14

the fuck are you doing That's a good three

46:16

hours and he would always say the same thing

46:18

I was thinking in the shower. Well.

46:21

That's a deep guy was thinking in this. Which

46:24

is amazing. That's the that's A name in

46:27

his autobiography Concerned Young The South. So within.

46:29

Within like a few years, isn't I

46:32

just want to know? Like you know,

46:34

going from near Judd Hirsch and and

46:36

in being in that presence. Yeah, in

46:38

terms of learning something right? right? Learned

46:40

everything right and them. And then you

46:42

get to work with Alan Arkin who

46:44

are just the West The best, the

46:46

best riotously funny human being. Reminded

46:49

me so much of my father was

46:51

deeply deeply neurotic me at a smart

46:53

version the and brilliant version years but

46:55

deeply neurotic man he asked and he

46:57

once told me you know I first

46:59

met him. We. We

47:02

have for some reason mean Natasha

47:04

Leone, Kevin Corrigan, and Risotto May

47:06

Sat around talking about. Depression

47:09

be and. And Allen said

47:11

I'll never forget. As of direct quote

47:13

Allen said I was standing on a

47:15

bridge nova Scotia looking out over a

47:17

lake and a deserted Adidas. Throw myself

47:19

in the late or spend the rest

47:21

of my life working on myself. And.

47:25

It was in a in that you know

47:27

it was such a revealing thing to say

47:29

using hey I was kill myself Yes it

47:31

was on our first day of meeting but

47:33

here we are searing stories about i was

47:35

depressed and here he comes with like oh

47:37

I've been suicidal pretty much my whole life

47:40

vs and I'm playing your at the patriarch

47:42

of this family and and that that such

47:44

a great movie them of yes my favorite

47:46

Still have all the things I've done vs

47:48

on because I didn't think it was gonna

47:50

be amazing. I thought it'll be all right

47:52

yes and it came out so well. Ah.

47:54

tom ridge and consisted of amazing job with a

47:56

but and was also fucked up production like we

47:59

were a week behind weeks in. They

48:01

sent a bondsman to the

48:03

set. But Alan was... I'll tell

48:05

you a crazy story. Yeah. Okay. I have a lot

48:08

of Alan Arkin stories, but my favorite one... I loved

48:10

him. I never got to talk

48:12

to him. I loved him too. He called

48:14

me Crumhorn. Crumhorn. And I would do

48:16

the impression for him, and he would say, you can only

48:18

do it once a week from now on. No,

48:21

because it's bothering me. He

48:23

had ticks. He had like physical ticks.

48:26

Yeah. He was very paranoid about his

48:28

lines. He couldn't remember his lines. And

48:31

sometimes when it was his close up, he'd be

48:33

like, you know, sitting there going, okay, going through

48:35

his lines. And I tortured him and I would

48:37

say, Alan, you okay? And I guess

48:40

I'm okay. Yeah. Why do I seem not okay?

48:42

But he...

48:45

One time... So the

48:48

sort of climax of the film is

48:50

Carl Reiner comes into town,

48:52

plays his brother, and

48:55

his brother is... Has been

48:57

financially supporting the family for

48:59

years. I am member. Yeah. Four years. And the scene

49:02

is we meet in an

49:04

airport diner and Alan is once

49:06

again going to ask his brother,

49:08

Carl Reiner, for more

49:10

money. Yeah. And Carl Reiner is like,

49:13

what the fuck? You're right. It's enough

49:15

already, don't you think? Yeah. So he's

49:17

got... So Carl Reiner plays his brother

49:19

and Rita Marino plays Carl Reiner's wife.

49:22

Right. So just an amazing day. Sure.

49:24

I understand. Yeah. And,

49:26

you know, Marissa is there and Natasha and the

49:29

little kid played by Eli, Mary, and Thal, and

49:31

me. We sit down at

49:33

the table with Carl Reiner and Rita Marino and

49:35

Alan is coming. He hasn't arrived. He's the last

49:37

to arrive and we're going to rehearse and start

49:40

the day. And Carl

49:42

Reiner and Rita Marino are lovely and exactly

49:44

what you'd hope they would be. Yeah. And

49:46

here comes Alan and there's silence and Carl

49:48

Reiner, first thing out of Carl Reiner's mouth

49:51

is, last time I saw you 30

49:53

years ago, you told me to go fuck

49:56

myself. And then

49:58

Rita, who worked with him on pop. Poppy

50:01

chimes in, yeah, you

50:03

were a real nasty son of a bitch. Have

50:05

you changed? Right off the

50:07

bat. And

50:10

Alan, and we're all witness to this, and

50:12

we love Alan. And he's

50:14

this tortured person. Alan's a wildly

50:16

tortured human being. And it

50:19

was so, it was the scene,

50:22

but not the scene. It was the exact

50:24

thing we were about to do emotionally, where

50:26

he's demoralized and degraded for being kind of...

50:29

And Alan sat there, and his

50:31

head was staring at the floor, and he said,

50:33

I've changed, and I'm not the

50:35

same anymore, and I'm very sorry. And

50:38

that's how the day had to start. It had to start

50:40

that way. They had to clear the air. Carl

50:42

Reiner was like, oh no, first thing I'm going to

50:44

say to this guy is... It was in the barrel.

50:47

It was in the chamber for years. Yeah, for years.

50:49

And then we had a wonderful day. Carl

50:51

Reiner took us into his trailer and played a

50:53

demo tape for the 2000 year old man in

50:55

the year

50:58

2000. It

51:00

was just me, Alan Arkin, and him listening

51:02

to... And I just pinched myself shit. Before

51:06

it came out, no one had ever heard it. It

51:08

was like Carl Reiner just seeing if we thought it

51:10

was funny. It was incredible. But yeah,

51:13

I miss Alan. Alan was wonderful. I tried to

51:15

work with him again. I

51:17

wanted him to play my father in something I wrote. And

51:20

he called and he said, it's ground I've covered, so I don't

51:22

want to do it again. He

51:25

said, you know, I would do it, but it's ground I've covered. And

51:27

we were playing my dad, which

51:30

is, I think, his way of saying, like, I don't like you

51:32

at all. I don't. I

51:34

didn't like working with you. I don't know. I

51:36

don't know. There was definitely... I

51:38

annoyed him. I enjoyed annoying him. But it seems like

51:40

everybody did. Here's the deal. Yeah. You

51:44

ever around someone who's such a

51:46

character that when they're at their

51:48

full blown angriest, it's

51:50

the most funny thing you've ever seen and you

51:52

have to hide your laughter? Sure. I

51:54

like trying to get people to know. Oh, yeah. Me

51:57

too. That was Alan's

51:59

thing. Yeah. One time

52:01

we were shooting a scene. Oh my

52:03

God. And

52:06

we're in the car and it's a hot car. And

52:09

we're on a process trailer. And on

52:12

the process trailer, the director and the first

52:14

AD start yelling at each other. And

52:16

it's Alan's close up. And he's

52:18

trying to remember his lines, like desperately trying.

52:21

And all of us, and he hears this fight break out

52:23

and we can hear it in the car and it's insane.

52:26

And Alan just says, will everybody

52:29

please calm fucking down? This mass

52:31

hysteria is driving everyone fucking crazy.

52:35

And bro, I

52:37

lost my mind and I'm sitting next to him

52:40

and I can't hide it. I'm

52:43

dying. Screaming

52:47

laughter. And he's, I'm glad you

52:49

think it's funny. This is ridiculous.

52:52

Keep laughing. Anyway,

52:58

that's great. He was wild. I

53:01

swear to God, his character in

53:03

Little Miss Sunshine, to me, it's like, that's

53:05

the perfect old man. Right, right, right.

53:08

You know, it's like, if I can

53:10

turn out that way, you know, just

53:12

quietly doing heroin occasionally. And here's the

53:14

crazy thing about Alan Arkin. Alan Arkin,

53:16

bold, he was the only actor I've

53:19

ever worked with. About 65 years old,

53:21

mind you, who boldfaced told everyone on

53:23

that set, I should have won

53:25

an Academy Award and I still want to. Now

53:27

that's a big thing for an actor to come out

53:30

and tell other people, I wish I'd

53:32

won an award though. Like,

53:34

yeah, people know who I am and who I've

53:36

done. No for a, no, Hard

53:38

as a Lonely Honda. Hard as a Lonely, Red

53:40

said that sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He

53:43

was like, I should have won, I still want to win, I

53:46

won't be happy until I win an Academy Award.

53:49

He was so boldfaced and I thought, wow,

53:52

that's pretty ballsy of you to like, sort

53:54

of let your guard down and tell

53:57

people that. He also wanted a

53:59

Porsche Carrera. He would see Pors Carreras

54:01

drive by and make like a

54:03

thirsty like, like he wanted to eat those.

54:08

He was having financial issues at the time. Anyway,

54:10

so that when he won for Little Miss

54:13

Sunshine, he went up and made

54:15

a speech and he played it off. He kind of played

54:17

like, oh, this is nice. Thank you so much. I knew

54:19

that he was fucking thrilled

54:22

and that his dream had come

54:24

true and that he was good

54:26

now. He was going to be fine for the rest

54:28

of his days. He was going to be

54:30

a happy, satiated man. That's great. And

54:32

I sent him flowers. And? Yeah,

54:35

and he never responded. That's okay. You know

54:37

who else used to like talk about winning an Academy

54:39

Award? The guy who played my mom's boyfriend on my

54:41

show. It's a second

54:43

tier. Michael Lerner. Michael Lerner. Oh

54:45

my God. I got

54:47

some Michael Lerner. Oh my God. You? No,

54:51

I've never met Michael Lerner, but when

54:53

I was shooting Oppenheimer, a little movie called

54:55

Oppenheimer. You're great. I know.

54:57

It was great. I

55:00

just love the chorus

55:02

of Jew nerds in that movie.

55:06

Led by Killian Murphy. But

55:10

anyway, we're shooting. So

55:12

Chris Nolan is a genius,

55:15

a real genius. There's no

55:17

dummy. There's no dumb

55:19

part of him. He is the real thing. Probably

55:22

the only one I've ever met. Really? And

55:25

I've worked with some really, really, really, really smart people

55:27

who are considered more geniuses, but I would say, in

55:29

my opinion... What was the

55:31

moment that you realized that? Because

55:37

there is usually that moment where you're like, oh my God. We

55:40

were doing a scene in the

55:42

desert and we showed up to the set and

55:45

it was already amazing watching him. He is the

55:47

spectacle on the set because

55:49

he never sits down and he micromanages

55:52

every little thing in the

55:54

movie. He's the head

55:56

of every department. He's not like a director

55:58

that goes, I'm hoping that everything is... taken care of.

56:00

He takes care of it. And

56:03

we showed up and I was already enamored with

56:05

him. He's very funny too. He's super sarcastic and

56:07

funny. And they

56:09

had built a windmill and it was windy

56:11

and the windmill made a little noise when

56:14

it turned. And he just, it's

56:16

none of his concern and it barely

56:19

made noise. But Chris turned

56:21

and said, that's gonna fuck

56:23

us. That noise is gonna fuck us. And

56:27

I just thought, God, this guy's so fucking

56:29

aware of every little goddamn thing on this

56:31

set. He's just, he's like a

56:33

quarterback. He's the whole field. And

56:36

anyway, he, we were

56:38

doing this- Did they fix it? They fixed

56:41

it immediately. But

56:43

we're doing this scene where I tell

56:46

Oppenheimer that I'm not

56:48

gonna come to Los Alamos because I don't believe

56:51

in building this bomb. And

56:53

the craven part

56:58

of me, I guess, was like, I should scream

57:00

at him at one point. I should get loud.

57:02

At Oppenheimer

57:05

and this'll be my little, this'll

57:07

be my little Academy Award moment. And

57:11

so I did that in the first two takes and

57:14

Chris Nolan walked over and he said,

57:17

it's a bit Michael Lerner. What

57:19

you're doing? And I thought, are you saying

57:21

that as a negative thing? It's a

57:23

bit Michael Lerner. I said,

57:25

oh shit. Well, I guess I don't want

57:27

to be Michael Lerner in this moment. You

57:29

don't. It's a bit Michael Lerner. You might

57:32

not avoid, might want to avoid that. But

57:34

Chris was such a sarcastic man. I mean,

57:36

we did the first scene. He does like

57:38

four takes usually of everything. And he did

57:40

14 takes of my first scenes close

57:42

up. And he walked up to me after he

57:44

said, 14 takes, huh?

57:46

And he said, fucking sorry.

57:48

And then, oh dude, he

57:51

just he fucked with me the whole time. And it

57:53

took me a while to realize, oh, he's not being

57:56

serious. He's just fucking with me. He likes to make

57:58

me, you know, tremble. He's

58:00

doing what you did to Arkin. Basically, he's

58:02

f***ing with me. Yeah, and you pop. You

58:04

know I respect that. Yeah, of course. There

58:06

was one day I had

58:09

to fart. Yeah. I

58:11

was standing next to a sitting

58:13

Robert Downey Jr. Yeah. And

58:15

they're setting up a shot. There's no stand-ins,

58:17

so you've got to just stand in. Yeah.

58:20

And man, I had to fart. And I knew it was a bad one.

58:23

You know, this one's got a heat to it. This one's got a heat. And

58:28

I thought, I can't do this. I cannot fart. But you're

58:30

not allowed to move off your mark. It's a very strict

58:32

set. He wants it like a play and blah, blah, blah.

58:35

And I said, well, listen, I'm not going to

58:37

fart Robert Downey's face. It's not going to happen.

58:39

So I walked to the corner of the room

58:41

briefly and farted. I turned

58:43

around. Chris is standing over

58:45

me. I'm talking about five seconds. So he

58:47

saw me move and was like, oh no,

58:49

Cromwell says moving, f*** that s***, and came

58:52

after me. And I farted. And he

58:54

goes, what were you doing? And I said, I

58:57

f***ing, I just farted. I had

58:59

to fart. And he goes, you

59:01

farted in the most

59:04

snobby British like... And

59:06

I said, yeah, you can't even fart

59:08

on this set. Chris, you're passing. We're

59:12

not farting here. And he was

59:14

like, get back on your mark. Michael

59:16

Lerner's playing with my mom's husband.

59:19

And we're shooting in this condo. And

59:22

now he's got a f***ing trailer in

59:24

front of the place. We're shooting in

59:26

a condo and it's like, low budgets,

59:28

IFC. We're just trying to get by.

59:30

I did an IFC show. I know

59:32

about it. So

59:35

the video village is in the bathroom

59:37

with this condo. And

59:41

we're trying to make it work. And

59:43

we're shooting in there. And then there's

59:45

a break. We all go out and

59:49

we come back and Michael Lerner had shit

59:51

in the video village. He had shit in

59:53

the bathroom. That was the video village. He

59:56

had a trailer right out front. And

59:58

he just went in there and he... shit. In my

1:00:00

mind, it was like just

1:00:03

to let everyone know. Michael Earners here.

1:00:06

Holy shit. He was

1:00:08

also the guy that's like, can I keep this robe?

1:00:11

Oh yeah, of course. What about these plants?

1:00:13

Are they set? What

1:00:18

about these plants? Now how do I keep them alive? I

1:00:21

fucking loved them though. And he's also one of those guys who

1:00:24

like, poor Sally Kellerman who

1:00:26

was playing his wife who

1:00:29

was supposed to be her mother. She cannot remember line

1:00:31

for line. Like Bobcat was shooting

1:00:33

that one and we had to

1:00:35

shoot. He amazingly was able to do it just by giving

1:00:37

her the line and keeping it, just

1:00:39

only using her shots. No group shots because

1:00:41

she couldn't do it. And Lerner

1:00:44

is trying to sort of like, we know each other to

1:00:46

her. And she

1:00:48

would walk away and she goes, I don't

1:00:51

think I like it. Like

1:01:00

because he was on every fucking TV show. He was

1:01:02

also the guy that fucks with your head before each

1:01:04

take so he can fucking shine. Like we were really,

1:01:06

oh yeah, we do scenes. He's like, you think he

1:01:08

got this one? Oh, action. Here we go. Yeah, he

1:01:10

was a real fucking piece

1:01:13

of work, but I loved it. At the end

1:01:16

of the day, I love character act. I love

1:01:18

working with real character. I mean, the great thing

1:01:20

about character actors and people like that, they're the

1:01:22

punchiest. They've been through

1:01:24

so much disappointment and fucking close

1:01:26

to big things and never, they

1:01:28

are punchiest. They've been driven crazy. But a lot

1:01:31

of them are real kind of

1:01:33

free-spirited dudes. Like that's what they want

1:01:35

to be doing. Absolutely. And

1:01:37

like a lot of the guys that the character actors

1:01:39

like this, they don't want the pressure. They

1:01:41

just want to be that guy. I want to be

1:01:43

that guy. I just want to

1:01:45

be a storyteller. I just want to be

1:01:47

like, holy shit, that guy has so many

1:01:49

fucking stories and that's

1:01:52

all I've... That's legendary shit,

1:01:54

I think. I think the great thing about

1:01:56

you as an actor is that you're always

1:01:58

singular. You always hold

1:02:00

the screen. You're not gonna you know, you're

1:02:03

you which is good. Yeah, I think so

1:02:05

I don't know. I just Like

1:02:07

even the fucking home brothers movie, which I love.

1:02:09

Mm-hmm. Like I defend hail Caesar constantly It's an

1:02:12

amazing movie people don't fucking put it into the

1:02:14

best comb brothers. Well, I don't understand what

1:02:16

the movie is about That

1:02:18

it's a very inside movie. I guess so

1:02:21

I just loved it. I could double feature

1:02:23

of that and Barton think It's um, they

1:02:25

like bond. It's almost a sequel. I'm a

1:02:27

prequel hail Caesar is greatest is exactly what?

1:02:30

Anyone in this business that really

1:02:33

cares right the nerds. Yeah, what

1:02:35

they what they want to say. Yeah, which is essentially

1:02:39

that It's a job

1:02:42

and there's tons of glamour and glitz

1:02:44

and gossip that surrounds it But it's

1:02:46

a fucking job people wake up in

1:02:49

the morning and do this and the

1:02:51

difference between The magic

1:02:53

you see on screen and

1:02:55

the take prior that got fucked up,

1:02:57

which is what happens at the end

1:02:59

of that movie Yeah, Clooney fucks up

1:03:01

an amazing take. Yeah is is is

1:03:04

minuscule, but it's enough to fucking You

1:03:06

know make it so that you

1:03:08

got to do this do it again Then you

1:03:10

get it right and hundreds of people have to

1:03:12

resect correct And what I what

1:03:14

I've come to realize for myself is that

1:03:16

this business is Like

1:03:19

the country divided down the middle 50%

1:03:22

nerds 50% scumbags.

1:03:24

Yeah failing upward Talentless

1:03:27

scumbags, that's what this

1:03:29

bit sycophantic, you know

1:03:32

talk the talk barely can walk the

1:03:34

walk scumbags and 50%

1:03:37

beautiful earnest nerd artists and

1:03:42

The problem The

1:03:44

problem now and maybe this has always been the

1:03:46

problem is that sometimes the nerds

1:03:49

become the scumbags But the

1:03:51

scumbags never become the nerds Yeah,

1:03:55

and that the scumbags protect the scumbags

1:03:57

they protect each other and the nerds

1:03:59

don't do enough protecting of each other.

1:04:02

That's to me Hollywood in a nutshell. And

1:04:05

that's what that movie's about. That's what that movie's

1:04:07

about. And

1:04:10

all truth, I didn't know that when

1:04:12

I read it. I couldn't gleam it. And

1:04:14

I'll tell you what made me realize it. This is

1:04:16

an amazing story. I'm on the

1:04:18

Hail Caesar set. It's lunchtime.

1:04:21

I decide I'm not going to go to the lunch

1:04:23

area. I'm going to sit and eat a sandwich from

1:04:25

craft service on the set. And

1:04:28

the Coen brothers do the same thing. They're like

1:04:30

off in another room on set, plotting

1:04:32

out the next shot or after

1:04:34

lunch or whatever. And

1:04:36

the door to the stage opens and fucking

1:04:39

Terrence Malick walks in. Okay,

1:04:41

now Terrence Malick, major

1:04:43

recluse, you know,

1:04:45

legendary reclusive director, kind of

1:04:48

considered a nut, amazing filmmaker,

1:04:50

walks in. And I know

1:04:52

it's him. And there's a little, there's a young

1:04:54

PA who runs over and goes, excuse

1:04:56

me, sir, this is a closed set. And I go,

1:04:58

hey, wait, this

1:05:01

is Terrence Malick. You should let him on. And

1:05:03

Terrence Malick just goes, hey,

1:05:06

are the brothers here? And if they

1:05:08

are, I'd love to talk to them. He comes over

1:05:10

unannounced. He doesn't have an appointment with them. So

1:05:13

they go and they have lunch together. He sits with

1:05:15

the Coen brothers. And I know that's

1:05:17

happening on the other side of the stage and whatever. So

1:05:20

after we come back from lunch, I walk up

1:05:22

to Ethan Coen and I say,

1:05:24

that's crazy. And Terrence Malick,

1:05:27

of all people, just shows up and has lunch

1:05:29

with you guys. And Ethan

1:05:31

turned to me and with complete truth, he

1:05:34

said, we're not that impressed by filmmakers.

1:05:38

And in that moment, I thought, that's what the

1:05:40

movie's about. Holy shit, that's what this movie's about.

1:05:44

You know, I needed that to happen for me to understand.

1:05:46

I was just lucky to be, I just felt like I'm

1:05:48

lucky to be in it. I don't really understand what they're

1:05:51

getting at with this one. But

1:05:53

I think that's the reason that movie's so

1:05:55

tragically under seen and not valued is people

1:05:58

don't, you have to be in the business. think to

1:06:00

really understand what that's right. Is that the same with Barton

1:06:02

Fink? Maybe? No, because

1:06:04

Barton Fink is more of very much

1:06:06

an existential crisis of a man type

1:06:09

thing, which is relatable to,

1:06:11

you know. I just thought that the

1:06:13

turn, like I thought, like Josh Brolin

1:06:16

was amazing and healthy because

1:06:18

he was carrying the whole thing and it was really what

1:06:20

you're talking about, the job of it. Right.

1:06:23

And his need to protect not

1:06:25

only the business, you

1:06:27

know, from the top to where he is, but

1:06:29

also the actors and like he

1:06:31

had to manage all the what you're saying.

1:06:34

Right. And he wasn't a douchebag. No, and

1:06:36

he was a good guy. Right. Except he,

1:06:38

you know, he could get tough. But he was struggling with himself.

1:06:41

Correct. But you had that part

1:06:44

and you were hilarious. Thank you. And you

1:06:46

had to make decisions in that moment because

1:06:48

it was a big room, not a huge

1:06:51

part. Right. And, you know, you

1:06:53

were punctuating an intensity. You

1:06:56

know, that's what they wanted. I showed up, they said,

1:06:59

grow a full beard. So

1:07:01

I did. Yeah. And then I showed

1:07:03

up and they said, shave him completely. And

1:07:05

I did. And then they looked

1:07:07

at me again and said, slap a mustache on him. So

1:07:11

I had had the mustache. They made me shave it.

1:07:13

And then they were like, oh, no. Once the mustache

1:07:15

was on, it was like, oh, I know what I

1:07:17

know exactly what I'm going to do. But

1:07:20

in terms of. I'm just going to play the mustache, which is what I

1:07:22

do in that movie. That was your, that was

1:07:24

your. Just play the mustache. Yeah. And

1:07:26

make the mustache look funny. That was really

1:07:28

the whole job. But what

1:07:31

is it about them? Because I noticed I

1:07:33

watched Ethan's movie that he did with his

1:07:35

wife, the new one. It's different because it's

1:07:37

half the Coens. Right. And

1:07:39

there's a way that, you know, I

1:07:42

don't know. I'll ask you, is it there a

1:07:44

way of acting in a Coens movie or is

1:07:46

it just the way they see it?

1:07:51

There's a very simple answer to that. Okay. It

1:07:54

has nothing to do with acting. Right. And

1:07:57

if you watch the movie, you'll see that the eyes, they're big into sad eyes. Really?

1:08:00

their movies so many of their Turturro

1:08:03

and Buscemi and and

1:08:05

Tony Shalab and sad

1:08:09

eyes. But yeah sad

1:08:11

eyes very sad looking eyes, expressively

1:08:14

depressed sad eyes. But they all

1:08:16

said a unique sense of timing.

1:08:19

Oh absolutely I mean they're a they have

1:08:21

a unique sense of a lot of things.

1:08:23

Yeah. But I think you get cast for

1:08:25

your eyes. Huh. I believe that. You

1:08:28

never you haven't asked one of them? No

1:08:30

I never I never went that far. I

1:08:34

was convinced the first couple days on Hail

1:08:36

Caesar that Joel in particular hated me. It

1:08:40

seems like an easy thing to think about him.

1:08:42

Yes we were at the

1:08:44

craft service table one day and I thanked him

1:08:46

for the job. I said hey thanks you know

1:08:48

it means a lot to me. And he shrugged

1:08:50

me off and I thought oh he hates me.

1:08:52

But actually I love Joel and Joel came you

1:08:56

know when we did the Ballad of

1:08:58

Buster Scruggs. Yeah. He was they were

1:09:00

both wonderful. They're wonderful. Yeah. They're hilarious

1:09:02

and wonderful. And did

1:09:05

you like Serious Man? I've never

1:09:07

seen it. I don't watch a

1:09:09

lot of things. Did you really? I know that. I think

1:09:11

that's probably why I didn't see it. It's interesting.

1:09:13

Yeah. I think you'd like it. I think it's

1:09:15

funny. You know and I'm I'm not gonna lie

1:09:17

to you. Jealousy is there or was there. Oh

1:09:20

yeah. You know I heard oh it's a

1:09:22

Jewish movie about a young Jewish you know

1:09:24

guy and I thought well what the fuck.

1:09:26

And then inside Lou and Davis you

1:09:29

know that. You could have done that

1:09:31

too. Well I look a lot like Oscar Isaac and

1:09:33

I did at the time certainly with a beard. Yeah.

1:09:36

So much so that my lovely sweet dad

1:09:39

was at home and a commercial popped up and he

1:09:41

called me and he said how come you didn't tell

1:09:43

me you were in this movie. Oh really. And I

1:09:46

said that's not me. So that

1:09:48

one but I love Oscar Isaac. He's

1:09:50

a wonderful actor. I had to watch that one twice. I'm

1:09:52

a really great person. Yeah. I had to watch it twice

1:09:54

to get it. Yeah.

1:09:56

It's you know.

1:09:58

It's a movie about grief. Right. I

1:10:01

don't think it's their greatest moment.

1:10:03

I think Oscar Isaac is wonderful

1:10:05

in it. But you know... When

1:10:07

that hillbilly clocks him though and you find out

1:10:10

why, it's a pretty good punch line. True

1:10:12

Grid is a great remake. Yes, I thought

1:10:15

it was good too. And I love the

1:10:17

old stuff. I mean, everybody talks about the

1:10:19

big Bloutsky guy. I'm raising Arizona. Me too.

1:10:21

I'm not a Lebowski guy. Yeah, no. I'm

1:10:23

not that big a Lebowski guy either. Almost

1:10:25

every other one. Right. Over

1:10:27

that one. Correct. For me. I'm

1:10:30

in the same... I like... Shit.

1:10:32

I like the one with Tom Hanks. The... What's that one

1:10:35

called? The... Not the... Oh yeah.

1:10:37

The one where he plays the Dandy, the Southern

1:10:39

guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

1:10:42

Yeah. Yeah. So

1:10:44

this new one, Lausie Carter. Carter. Mm-hmm.

1:10:48

Did you see it? I did. Really?

1:10:51

Watch it last night. Thanks. Yeah,

1:10:53

it's great. It's fun. It's an interesting... It's

1:10:56

a stylized thing. That guy has

1:10:58

a vision. Yeah. And it's interesting

1:11:00

to watch a director who commits

1:11:02

to a vision. You know, his

1:11:04

whole thing is basically tearing down

1:11:06

convention. Yeah. And that's all his

1:11:08

films are... That's true of

1:11:10

all its films. It's sort of going, oh,

1:11:13

look at these filmic tropes. Yeah. And

1:11:16

let's undo them somehow. Yeah. A

1:11:18

very... Almost breaking the fourth wall

1:11:20

way. Yeah. Right.

1:11:23

You know, we know you're telling... We know we're telling

1:11:25

you a story. You know you're watching it. There's

1:11:27

no like... You're not supposed to

1:11:29

be immersed in the film. You're supposed

1:11:31

to go... Not natural. Correct. And you

1:11:35

know, with this, he just took the trope

1:11:37

of guy finds out he's going to die.

1:11:39

He has six months to die. Yeah. And

1:11:42

to live, I should say. And turned

1:11:44

it on its head, which, you know, he came

1:11:46

to me and I said, what if he's... You

1:11:49

know, but I'm gleaming from this script when I

1:11:51

read it. And knowing him, I

1:11:54

know Bob buying Tim, the director, writer. I

1:11:56

know him really well. Yeah. I

1:11:58

said, this is a movie about a guy who's thrilled. When

1:12:00

he finds out he's going to die. He's

1:12:02

actually relieved. No one

1:12:05

likes him. He's kind of a dick. This

1:12:07

is like, you know, and he gets to keep

1:12:09

it as a secret, like sociopathically. He really doesn't

1:12:11

tell anybody except his ex-girlfriend that

1:12:13

he's dying, whereas most people would scream, I'm

1:12:16

dying to everyone. He keeps

1:12:18

his little fun secret that he keeps and

1:12:20

it allows him to maybe

1:12:23

take risks and behave a little differently

1:12:25

and teach this lesson. Not much, but

1:12:27

not much. Little bits. He doesn't

1:12:29

go all the way with it. Right. The

1:12:32

idea that this big news comes in in this guy's

1:12:34

life and he doesn't change that much and

1:12:36

he doesn't change in the way most people would.

1:12:39

To me, that's the brilliance of the film

1:12:41

and what you're watching is the uniqueness of

1:12:43

it. Yeah, I like the

1:12:46

tone of it. I like that woman

1:12:48

who plays your ex-girlfriend too. Olivia Thirlby?

1:12:50

Yeah, she's great. Yeah, she's really great.

1:12:52

Everybody was really good. Martin was good.

1:12:54

Steven Root's always nice to see. Steven

1:12:56

Root's great. Lucksy Banner, the girl who

1:12:58

plays my student. Yes, she's great. She's fucking

1:13:00

great. She's great. And she's out of

1:13:03

nowhere. Out of nowhere. Yeah. I

1:13:05

like the tone. It didn't take me long to

1:13:07

get into it in terms of

1:13:09

getting what he was doing. And

1:13:12

I like the college. It was funny.

1:13:14

It was funny and it was weird. It was weird and

1:13:16

funny and working on it

1:13:19

was a bit of a nightmare. We shot it in

1:13:21

15 days in Texas. Bob

1:13:25

Vyington is

1:13:28

a brilliant man who

1:13:30

is so self-hating and deeply

1:13:33

angry and embarrassed by himself.

1:13:35

Really? Which, by the way,

1:13:37

I totally relate to. But

1:13:42

there were moments where you'd have to sort of

1:13:44

rein Bob in. I've

1:13:46

never had to rein in a director. A director usually reigns

1:13:48

me in. Yeah. In this case,

1:13:50

I kind of had to say to Bob a few times, hey,

1:13:52

be good to yourself, man. Yeah. You're

1:13:55

wonderful. And this whole thing

1:13:57

you do of like, I'm

1:13:59

terrible. and you know or I'm

1:14:02

saying that yeah or I'm really angry at people

1:14:04

like don't put yourself like I get it the

1:14:06

self-deprecating thing it works and then it doesn't so

1:14:08

yeah at a certain point it becomes sort of

1:14:11

half tragic right and then but I think he

1:14:13

was he was doing

1:14:16

that to get me to that place he

1:14:18

was sort of going hey not play me

1:14:20

but this is the conceit

1:14:22

of the film and it's the conceit

1:14:24

of the character it's who he is

1:14:26

he's this guy to have surrendered to

1:14:28

self correct right and and

1:14:31

so you know he was doing it to sort

1:14:33

of for me to emulate that okay you know

1:14:35

kind of him but it also broke

1:14:38

my heart a little bit I mean Bob buying

1:14:40

tin is a wonderful human being and yeah and

1:14:42

it and he's heartbreaking on some level yeah but

1:14:44

he's an amazing artist and that he is able

1:14:47

to sort of put that heartbreak in the

1:14:49

words and into action and there's something

1:14:52

very lousy Carter's a funny

1:14:56

movie yeah it's it's a real simple bit yeah

1:14:58

I finds out he's gonna die yeah finds out

1:15:00

he's not gonna die right and yet there's a

1:15:02

sadness to it you know there's a there's a

1:15:04

bit of like a melancholy like you know what

1:15:06

is life worth if you can just find out

1:15:08

you're gonna die and then you're not you

1:15:11

like doing comedy though don't you I

1:15:13

do I'm doing one right now which

1:15:16

is the craziest and they're letting me do everything

1:15:20

and I you know you make these smaller movies

1:15:22

and you like like lousy Carter and you just

1:15:24

go home this whole I hope but are you

1:15:26

saying about that's your movie I'm

1:15:29

super psyched about it but I've done five

1:15:31

others yeah that have never been

1:15:33

seen yeah barely yeah and you

1:15:35

you give you work your ass

1:15:37

off on these things late nights

1:15:39

long hours no budget yeah treated

1:15:41

like shit fucking giving

1:15:43

your all expected to play to just be

1:15:46

part of the crew we're all like once

1:15:48

I did one with Natasha Leon yeah me

1:15:50

and Natasha Leon yeah it's a movie called

1:15:52

my suicidal sweetheart yeah and no one saw

1:15:55

that fucking film and it's brilliant and I

1:15:57

worked my balls off on it yeah

1:15:59

so I'm doing one now, same thing. I'm

1:16:01

just like, I just hope people see it.

1:16:03

So whenever, so the fact that lousy card,

1:16:05

the fact that I'm here talking to you

1:16:07

and I get to promote it here is

1:16:09

huge because it just means that like, thank

1:16:11

God it's gonna be seen. You

1:16:13

know, thank God, because I worked my balls off on it.

1:16:15

You get paid nothing. You get their ultra low budget. You

1:16:18

get paid like, you know, 100 bucks a day. So

1:16:21

many movies like that I've been really

1:16:23

moved by lately, you

1:16:25

know, have been these smaller movies.

1:16:27

Like I had Lily Gladstone in

1:16:30

there. I didn't even wanna talk about Killers of the Farm. I

1:16:33

mean, she did a couple of Kelly Reichart films where

1:16:37

just like, holy fuck. Right. Even

1:16:39

that movie, I didn't, for some reason

1:16:41

I did not watch Past Wives, which

1:16:44

was nominated, and that's a little movie.

1:16:46

Right, right. And it's fucking spectacular, you

1:16:49

know, in terms of the weight of it.

1:16:51

Right, I haven't seen it because I don't want

1:16:53

it to anything, but I

1:16:55

think this is the natural pendulum

1:16:57

swing from years of superhero movies.

1:16:59

And that's not knocking superhero movies.

1:17:02

I love Marvel movies. I love

1:17:04

all of them, most

1:17:06

of them. I make excuses for a lot of

1:17:08

them. I love them because

1:17:10

I grew up reading the comics and

1:17:12

because the reason I don't watch anything

1:17:14

is because I tend to get bothered

1:17:16

by bad acting or bad lighting or

1:17:18

the, I can see, I'm an idiot.

1:17:22

I'm a terribly, but

1:17:24

CGI movies, I have no idea how

1:17:26

they do that shit. Some of them, yeah, some of them

1:17:28

is better than others. I'll help you out here. There's

1:17:31

an old comic named Steve Kravitz and

1:17:33

he used to call the TV the resentment box. Yeah,

1:17:38

no, I watch it and I go, my

1:17:40

God, what the fuck? Like, how does this

1:17:42

pass? Is anything valuable and good? And like,

1:17:45

have you gone in for Marvel movies? I

1:17:48

did go in for Spider-Man and I went

1:17:50

in and I had a meeting for the

1:17:53

Fantastic Four. And I

1:17:55

didn't, I don't, I'm

1:17:58

gonna end up playing like a superhero. The orthodontist

1:18:00

in something you know? M U S. I hope

1:18:02

they keep me monks. I am a huge fan

1:18:04

and and and but you know so what So

1:18:06

what if I'm a fan? They have lots of

1:18:08

fans but I'd love to do something for them

1:18:10

and love to. And when you work with like

1:18:12

is it like he worked with eve work would

1:18:14

down a couple times am. And

1:18:16

he worked in Clooney. You work with

1:18:18

correct, These layers are Love! Clooney told

1:18:20

me the greatest Bill Murray story ever.

1:18:23

A really can't repeat it. He I.

1:18:27

Genuinely nice guy. Clearly

1:18:29

the here's the deal. The. All

1:18:31

the A Listers the big A Listers that

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of work forever. The only reason they were

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forever and care of the How talented and

1:18:37

York the good guys. Yes they're just sweethearts.

1:18:40

Yes, you gotta be able. Life's too short

1:18:42

to work with an asshole. You gotta be

1:18:44

able to disarm your own sense of the

1:18:46

of of gorilla as asset vs. you know.

1:18:48

When I first worked for Downey we worked

1:18:50

in Plymouth, Massachusetts and a small courtroom. Although

1:18:53

the judge right, the judge evolved to write.

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The. What wasn't duval? He's an item or

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room was filled with Csd local Plymouth

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extras via who aren't really extras, they're

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just people Cs and down. He shows

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up and takes a moment to say

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to each and every one of their

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hands cause for him, he doesn't want

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to see like the gorilla. He just

1:19:15

doesn't want to see like that. He

1:19:17

doesn't want that. Yeah, and it makes

1:19:19

it so that he can perform more

1:19:21

freely. Yeah and be the good guy

1:19:24

he's striving to be here on and

1:19:26

that's true of like. I work

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for Brad Pitt and George Clooney and in

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I'm not gonna drop every name but System

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to. I mean I'd I have I don't

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smoke weed anymore but I but when I

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did I hear a lot of weed by

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I. Have a rare disorder called Cannabinoid

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hyper Amasa syndrome which are doing

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tracksuit like in other words it people

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on the news. Yes. But.

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deeply. I. Used to not

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be, but I've developed a wild allergy

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to weed that makes me. Like.

1:20:15

Almost Die every time I smoke.

1:20:17

It was. I've been enough. I've

1:20:19

been to emergency rooms about twenty

1:20:21

times as a result of was

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a symptom so that nausea on

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a level I wouldn't wish on.

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is the medical term for nausea.

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can imagine what that is the

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Us I wouldn't. You want to

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die, You want to die. It

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is our radius. Nausea. You lose

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a crazy amount of weight, you

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cannot swallow and goddamn thing water.

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You get so dehydrated from throwing up

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and from not being able to even

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find out continuing to smoke. So.

1:20:53

How it works is if you smoke

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everyday smoke a lot it happens, then

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you need to stop and the next

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three to four weeks or torture slammed

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up smoking vs. But it needs to

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like somehow and they don't know why

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they. there's no research, no one knows

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why this is happening. The greatest information

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on it is a Facebook group the

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out cannabinoid hyper and assists in drop

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here and it's all survivors or family

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members of survivors of this think people

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have died from this. There must be

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allowed because we'd sit. Illegal. Well, any

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mate they fucked up, we'd man every pot

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head. There's not a single pot heads. That.

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of made it too strong. They kind of

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fucked it. It's a little too strong now

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here and in some cases a lot too

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strong used to be. You have a friend

1:21:39

who hadn't smoked in a couple years or

1:21:41

never smoke as were like no problem getting

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a Manhattan and just babysitting a little bit

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but he's gonna be fine now. know people

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trip off the shelf and thought the fuck

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out and you're like oh shit I wish

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I hadn't given me this his that's how

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it is next and it for some reason

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with the strengths of it now and cannabinoid

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hyper emphasis syndrome. Is is becoming. The

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more prevalent and I denied it. I

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thought it was bullshit when they first

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told me I was like two months

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or so. seems wrong with me, gastrointestinal,

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he or whatever here. I took every

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test in the book I was cleaning

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as a whistle and finally I listened

1:22:14

and said okay I'll stop smoking weed

1:22:16

and with after about a month he

1:22:18

and went away and then I tried

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smoking weed again because I'm an addict

1:22:22

and and got sick again. Stopped.

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When with I tested the series for

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different times and ended up in the

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hospital like twenty times. ah I'm and

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very real your down very fucked up

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and or you're done till now I

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don't miss it not on the set

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the other on get i may I

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have a version syndrome at of us

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it'll kill me. Feel. If I

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will get home I'll dive we'd which is

1:22:46

a terrible way for anyone to dine out.

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A great story much less David Krumholtz. You

1:22:50

know to me it's a be a bad

1:22:52

way for me to die. The Deuce you

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are great in a Deuce. Yes you're correct

1:22:56

and that's a good It's a can agree

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Cash Arsonists Israel's as a character do the

1:23:01

writing is Craig. you know you Simon that

1:23:03

it's just rare that some things in your

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voice and in Iowa you know part of

1:23:07

the job of acting as Shriners source. You're

1:23:09

a square peg in around whole they're gonna

1:23:11

find a happy medium. Yes. But when it's

1:23:13

in your voice, you can go to. You

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can move, not budget make. That guy is

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A i Love the Dead, the Emperor, the

1:23:20

As where you Eat Your kind of have

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empathy for this, the for the pornography Out

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as a lawyer and he's like it's a

1:23:27

great character based on you know, a realities.

1:23:29

you know. I rarely do backstory on characters.

1:23:31

I don't believe in doing anything via that

1:23:33

actors do vs A but I did one

1:23:35

on that and I was just like his

1:23:38

brothers. his older brothers a doctor, his younger

1:23:40

brothers, a lawyer. They're super successful. Guess he

1:23:42

was not smart enough to be either of

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those things and came a fucking. Porn

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guy as a horny little said yes,

1:23:48

who likes you know? yes. Hung around

1:23:50

the scene watching people get socked and

1:23:52

get maybe fuck getting sucked himself E

1:23:54

S P maybe he's taken him in

1:23:56

the ass a thousand times. may be

1:23:58

slightly day. Right? Who don't

1:24:01

And but he's a his done via

1:24:03

sheath I've always wanted to play. To

1:24:05

me, sexual deviance is unexplored comedic territory

1:24:07

here. like we haven't even stop Enos

1:24:10

that Todd. So I agree to the

1:24:12

closest thing to exploring that from a

1:24:14

comedic way of yes, And it did.

1:24:16

There's some tragedy to a to, but

1:24:18

that's what's great about sexual deviancy. Be

1:24:21

announced the promise. You really can't do

1:24:23

it, especially now. But sexual deviancy to

1:24:25

me is hilarious. Woody Allen touched on

1:24:27

it here in their meaning as personalized,

1:24:29

well, In the movie and then in his

1:24:32

party and lines here with it. Yeah, there's

1:24:34

not. There's been a few, and it's always

1:24:36

pretty interesting. Know like that or that. That

1:24:38

one movie with Michael Fassbender is disturbing. Which

1:24:41

one is? I'd say it's about

1:24:43

the sex addict out Africa what

1:24:45

it's called but Jesus Christ narrowing

1:24:47

look at to me. You

1:24:49

know it's like Cooper Christ vs. me.

1:24:51

Every one of Cooper's films is about

1:24:54

human beings trying to deny their animal

1:24:56

instincts in every single way. Whether it's

1:24:58

the the instinct a survival Eyes Wide

1:25:00

Shut is about sex is about like

1:25:03

which sexual fucking free to see. I

1:25:05

can't fucking do anything about it for

1:25:07

as an old bill it's or ruination

1:25:09

when it's not acceptable when the right

1:25:11

there. And and to me there's a

1:25:14

there's a comedy version of Eyes Wide

1:25:16

Shut that's yet to be made in.

1:25:18

Oh yeah, you can joke about it

1:25:20

cause it's innocence. Vx as innocent as

1:25:23

our sexual urges are, really genuinely innocence.

1:25:25

The problem is, they veer into dangerous

1:25:27

territory sometimes. yeah, through for different reasons

1:25:29

for different reasons. We are If I

1:25:31

do though. hum, rights. The guy who

1:25:34

created the organ box and sort of

1:25:36

this renegade a lunatic. Protege

1:25:38

of Freud's the Or, his idea of

1:25:41

eve was sort of at the the

1:25:43

center of the psychology of a sexual

1:25:45

revolution. Does he thought that a fried

1:25:47

was rice and all the sexual perversion.

1:25:49

Is because of repressions. If everybody just

1:25:51

fried that into not a fucking we

1:25:53

would all a where everything with level

1:25:55

off and you know his rights maybe

1:25:57

decide what I'm really happened to. It's.

1:26:00

The capitalized upon an aegis have porn

1:26:02

on your phone for act mean I'm

1:26:04

in a movie about that said doesn't

1:26:06

get credit for being that movie but

1:26:08

it's literally that whole movie is about

1:26:10

it and spiritual and sausage party. Oh

1:26:12

yeah, right with it. With the or

1:26:14

the food or jihad in it's literally

1:26:16

all of them going. Life is meaningless.

1:26:19

We get eaten. With

1:26:21

there's no point in hiding the

1:26:23

on each other and and Sasaki

1:26:26

assist or in the movie ends

1:26:28

it with a ridiculously disgusting. And

1:26:30

graphic ah, orgy of food at that.

1:26:32

Plus what that hormuz about? And to

1:26:34

me it's really profound. Way more profound

1:26:37

than a got credit for this visible

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about on and hotdog yes that is

1:26:41

a new have in the the one

1:26:43

we're hanging off the. Most.

1:26:45

At the end is a com the as

1:26:47

as the and resilience funny nerves It was.

1:26:51

I was so I always am. I use

1:26:53

it. You can handle my own. What's know,

1:26:55

I was incredibly drunk one of the scenes

1:26:57

of the and and I regret it. I

1:27:00

no longer drink but I was doing this

1:27:02

is sober. get a put I am. They

1:27:04

put me next to real honor. And

1:27:07

I was wildly drunk. And.

1:27:10

She knew it, and I knew she knew

1:27:12

it. And. She was wonderful and I

1:27:14

was not. I wasn't mean services and

1:27:16

drunk around her vs you. so we

1:27:18

sober. This is my way of apologizing

1:27:20

around. yes I'm totally sober. I mean

1:27:22

yes. Good. Idea

1:27:24

may I am too as him in

1:27:26

a long time. So are your ice.

1:27:29

Yeah, I'm okay. I'm very tired making

1:27:31

this film and I'm glad the new one

1:27:34

is who's directing. A. Young,

1:27:36

wonderful, Smart. Brilliant. Guy

1:27:38

named Caleb Alexander Smith I hope people

1:27:40

seat of call for locking never know

1:27:42

when they're gonna be done. I fucking

1:27:45

don't. Take

1:27:47

yourself. You rock. This is lovely.

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