0:09

All. Right? Let's do this. How are

0:11

you? What the fuck cares? What the

0:13

fuck buddies? What the fuck next? What's

0:16

happening? I Mark Marin This is my

0:18

podcast. Wtf! Welcome to at what has

0:20

been going on. What is it? Monday?

0:22

How is the weekend where you been?

0:24

What's happening? How's everything for you? Are

0:26

you right? Are you all right? I'm.

0:29

A little tired and little strung out

0:31

from the road, I left for the

0:34

mid on Tuesday. I did. Madison,

0:37

Wisconsin Wednesday night, Milwaukee, Wisconsin

0:39

Thursday night, Chicago, Illinois on

0:41

Friday night and then on

0:43

Saturday, we topped it off

0:45

with Minneapolis. Great. Shows

0:48

I got some stories may

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be. What? Do you think by

0:52

don't want to? I want to set up

0:54

today Show: I want to set up today show

0:56

early on. See. You know

0:58

what's about to happen. I.

1:00

Talked to Carol Burnett. Now.

1:02

Carol Burnett. I'm sixty. I don't know

1:04

how old you are, but I'm sixty.

1:07

And. Carol Burnett from my

1:09

childhood. In my childhood, watching Carol

1:11

Burnett shows when I was very

1:13

young was one of the most

1:16

exciting and hilarious the things I

1:18

remember about my childhood. Just her.

1:21

Conway. Vicky you are.

1:23

It's via Wagner. Harvey

1:25

Korman. I mean. These.

1:28

You are some of the funniest people

1:30

that ever lived. And. I

1:32

remember watching the show when it was out on

1:34

the air when I was a kid and now

1:36

when I was researching her. To. Interview

1:38

her. I was going back and watching

1:40

some of that stuff and it is

1:43

just. So. Great. She.

1:45

Is just. So. Great. And.

1:48

Man. We've been trying to do this. This.

1:51

Interview for years and we always

1:53

told them that we'd make it

1:55

work however we could and chewed.

1:57

She'd been in L A doing

1:59

press. For. Primary our but I

2:01

was added sounds so what I did

2:03

was I drove up. To.

2:06

Amount of Ceo. It. Was

2:08

a thunderstorm? It was ridiculous.

2:11

I. Mean like just. Floating

2:13

rain. And. I met

2:15

her at a we set up a

2:17

room at a hotel for the interview

2:19

her people brought down. We. Had

2:21

driveway get will golf carts rousers slippery.

2:24

She's. Very spry, very agile

2:26

minded. sees all their and

2:29

she's amazing. See: ninety years

2:31

old. It's. Amazing.

2:34

And I was nervous. I get nervous

2:36

and journal of when you travel I

2:38

get nervous about the equipment. I get

2:40

nervous about your home been engaged with

2:42

people out what was with such a

2:44

legend as as well and I don't

2:46

know man see if we we went

2:49

I went in the room I set

2:51

up and we just sat down in

2:53

and and did it and it was.

2:55

It was just an honor. And

2:57

as a great conversation. And

3:00

I don't know brings back a lot

3:02

of memories. I think I brought back

3:04

some some memories for her, some memories

3:06

from my the show from her childhood

3:08

but it was just so. We're such

3:10

a. I'm. So glad. That.

3:13

I got to do it. Because. There's

3:15

some interviews I never got to do,

3:17

but I got to do this one

3:20

and it's pretty great folks. I'm in

3:22

Austin, Texas at the Paramount Theater on

3:24

Thursday, April eighteenth as part of the

3:27

Moon Tower Comedy Festival. I'll be in

3:29

Montclair, New Jersey on Thursday May second

3:31

at the While Months center Glenside, Pennsylvania

3:33

in the Philadelphia area on Friday May

3:36

third, as the as with Theater Washington,

3:38

Dc on Saturday May fourth, that the

3:40

Warner Theater money off Pennsylvania outside Pittsburgh

3:43

on May ninth at the Carnegie. Library

3:45

Music Hall Cleveland, Ohio on

3:47

made ten said play How

3:49

Square Detroit, Michigan on May

3:51

eleventh of the Royal Oak

3:53

Music Theatre.wtf pod.com/to earth for

3:55

all of my dates and

3:57

linked to tickets. Wow.

4:00

Wow. What? A series.

4:02

Of shows I'm like I'm out of it.

4:04

man I don't even he I went out

4:06

there we flew out know look. I

4:10

told you recently about my anxiety. But.

4:12

The and sometimes I'm just not semi. sometimes

4:14

like I will be a week before I

4:17

leave and I'll be saying to myself ah

4:19

fuck where my goodness or am I going

4:21

to park in Milwaukee? I'm use

4:23

it after the a me with his are no

4:26

better use for my brain. But.

4:29

But yeah, we had. We

4:31

had some obstacles, but some

4:33

interesting lessons along the way.

4:36

I. Went out there was alley. makovsky.

4:39

Who's. A comic who I've known from the

4:41

store from the comedy store for would allow

4:43

that we she's open for me and sounds.

4:45

I've never taken around on the road with

4:48

me and was great. She kills she was

4:50

funny we had a good time we a

4:52

good foods we drove around strain cities it's

4:54

fun. I mean if you have somebody who

4:56

can travel with on the road because you

4:59

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5:01

know I didn't have it would be great

5:03

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5:05

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with this anxiety thing I Mean

6:17

it's it's weird. I don't think I'm I

6:20

show my gratitude for technology

6:22

enough I I

6:24

should explain that because here's

6:27

what happened and Look

6:30

I I've talked about this a

6:32

lot lately, but I've just exhausted

6:35

my energy resources I

6:37

think for my entire that for my life But

6:40

we're flying Ali and I are flying From

6:43

Los Angeles to Chicago and then

6:45

we were gonna get a plane from Chicago

6:47

to Madison, which was ultimately unnecessary I don't

6:49

know why we booked it my manager booked

6:52

it, but it's fine But we were gonna

6:54

rent the car in Madison then drive Madison

6:56

to Milwaukee and then Milwaukee down to Chicago

6:58

and then fly to Minneapolis and fly home

7:00

the next day. It was it's a lot

7:02

of a running around But

7:05

the initial plan was we were

7:07

gonna fly from

7:09

Chicago To Madison.

7:12

So we're in the air from Los Angeles to

7:14

Chicago and I get a text on my phone

7:17

It's from American Airlines the flight from

7:19

Chicago to Minneapolis has been canceled and

7:22

then Ali text me from the

7:24

back of the plane, you know, it's you know,

7:26

you got to pay your dues Text

7:28

me from the back of the plane that the flights been canceled

7:30

I was like I know and then she

7:32

was looking around she found a united flight

7:34

then my manager got involved So now I'm

7:37

texting with my manager and Ali in the

7:39

back of the plane about this united flight

7:41

And then it became apparent

7:43

that it was about weather So who knows

7:45

what was gonna happen if there

7:48

was even a united flight then I'm like fuck this Let's

7:50

just rent a car When

7:53

we get to Chicago and drive to Madison, it can't how

7:55

bad could the weather be? So I

7:57

reserved a car it hurts all of this happened

8:00

my phone in the air before

8:02

we even landed. And

8:05

it was easy. So I

8:07

just got to be a little bit

8:10

grateful sometimes because 10 years

8:12

ago, do you know what that would have happened

8:14

10 years ago? You

8:17

wouldn't even, you wouldn't even known. You

8:20

would not have even known until

8:22

you got off the plane in

8:24

Chicago, walked out of the

8:26

gate, looked at one of those boards

8:28

and just went, oh fuck, god

8:31

damn it, the fucking flight to Minneapolis is

8:33

canceled. It doesn't look that bad out there.

8:35

I mean, what are they doing? Can't

8:37

they just fly in this? And

8:39

then you would have scrambled over to the American

8:42

counter. Is there another flight? Can we get another

8:44

flight? What's the next flight? There

8:46

is no other flights. Tomorrow morning's the next time you

8:48

can get out. God damn it.

8:50

And then you go running. Then the running in

8:52

the airport starts running through another airline. They tell

8:54

you in American. They'll be united. You can get

8:56

on the United flight. They got one going out.

8:58

So you're running in Chicago. That's a big run.

9:01

That's a lot of running with your luggage at night. And

9:05

you run to United. They're like, it's all booked up.

9:07

And then it's like, god damn it. I

9:09

guess we'll have to sleep here at an

9:11

airport hotel. Wait, let's just go to Hertz.

9:14

Let's just, I can call Hertz. I'll call

9:16

Hertz in Chicago and see if they have

9:18

a car. That could take forever.

9:20

So you decide to go to Hertz. You don't even know if

9:22

they have a car. None

9:25

of that happened just because of

9:28

Wi-Fi on the plane. None of that

9:30

happened. That doesn't mean it didn't happen in my mind.

9:33

So I did experience a little bit of anxiety

9:36

at moments because I lived it. I

9:38

just recounted it for you. And

9:40

it didn't happen. So sometimes

9:42

a little gratitude. Little gratitude is in

9:45

order. Yes. So

9:48

we drove from

9:50

Chicago to Madison. Stayed

9:53

at that same hotel. I always stay

9:55

at Madison. Madison is

9:57

a good town, but it was snowing for two

9:59

days. was snowing and I remember I talked to

10:01

you about it on last, what

10:03

was it, Thursday, sitting in that room looking at

10:06

that snow thinking like this is my life. Got

10:10

to the gym that first day and

10:14

then just beat the fuck out of myself for

10:16

not doing it for the next four. The

10:20

gym at that hotel was all right. There's

10:22

some good ones. Okay, this one was

10:24

pretty good. Had like seven treadmills, a

10:26

couple bikes, had mats, had weights, had

10:28

all the stuff you need. It

10:31

was big enough. It was big to hold all that.

10:33

But I was still the only guy there and

10:36

it's still kind of lonely in a

10:38

hotel gym. Now I don't know what it is with my

10:40

brain. I mean, it's only an hour,

10:43

but for some reason in a hotel gym, the

10:46

entire process of it, I don't know. It

10:49

runs deeper than that. I

10:52

mean, it was okay because of the size,

10:54

but if you're one of those hotel gyms,

10:56

that's just two treadmills and

10:58

maybe a couple of weights and you're

11:01

on that treadmill, holy

11:03

shit. It feels like

11:05

you're the last person alive. It's

11:08

like an existential crisis

11:10

almost in a weird way, a type

11:13

of loneliness that can't quite be an

11:15

active loneliness. All you're doing

11:17

is hoping that no

11:19

one gets on that one other treadmill right

11:21

next to you because the intimacy would just

11:24

be too much to bear,

11:26

just two people running futilely

11:28

from death in a hotel

11:31

gym. Maybe I'm

11:33

being dramatic, but there is something ... I mean,

11:36

look, most of you, myself

11:39

included, when you're at home, it takes

11:41

a lot. When you're in a

11:43

hotel, for some reason, when there is absolutely nothing

11:45

else to do, the idea

11:48

of getting down to that gym, even if it's for an

11:51

hour, and that's the only thing

11:53

that I can do to make

11:55

things happen sometimes, is clock it. How

11:58

long is this really going to take? How long does it really take?

12:00

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12:02

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12:04

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12:06

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12:08

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12:11

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Okay, look, this is

13:25

it. This is happening. Carol

13:28

Burnett is a legend. It

13:30

was a thrill and an honor to

13:32

sit down with her for an hour and talk.

13:35

She's in a new series called Palm

13:37

Royale. It's now streaming on Apple TV+.

13:40

You can watch the first five

13:42

episodes right now with new episodes

13:45

premiering Wednesdays. This was

13:47

a treat and I was a bit

13:50

nervous. This is me talking

13:52

to Carol Burnett. You

14:04

know, the last time I drove up here for

14:06

an interview was to talk to Jonathan

14:08

Winters. Oh, Johnny. Yeah. That

14:10

was something. You know, it wasn't

14:12

long before he passed away, but he

14:15

was one of those guys where, you know, the guy who

14:17

says, I've said, well, we'll see what kind of day it

14:19

is for him. Oh, got it.

14:22

I knew him very well. We had the same manager

14:24

when we started out in New York. Oh, really? And

14:27

I have two of his original paintings

14:29

in my house that he gave me.

14:31

Oh, that's so great. He was a good

14:33

artist. Sure. And

14:36

he lived up here, right? I mean, he lived nearby. Oh,

14:38

yeah. And he would

14:41

hold court a lot at

14:43

the local delicatessen.

14:45

Right. And also he

14:47

would, like when I saw him, we

14:50

went to lunch and he would wear

14:52

his Civil War, his

14:54

hat. And

14:57

it was it was quite an outing

14:59

when we were at that house. You

15:01

know, it was just so interesting that and

15:03

I tell the story and I don't know

15:05

if people really appreciate it. You know, he's

15:08

got this, you know, that house out

15:10

there in Santa Barbara. Yeah. He's

15:12

got that wall full of photos of a whole life in show

15:14

business. Right. Yeah. And

15:16

we're walking by it and he just stops at

15:18

this one picture and it's like an ancient picture

15:21

of just a boy and his dog. And

15:23

he says, I miss that dog. Oh,

15:26

my God. Right. Oh,

15:28

wow. Out of all those pictures. Oh, that's

15:31

so, so funny. Bless him.

15:33

Right. Oh, well. So I

15:35

you've been interviewed a lot. Oh, and

15:37

I think as a guy who's sitting here talking to

15:39

you, out of all the interviewers that

15:43

you've engaged with, who was

15:45

who was your most favorite to do? Well,

15:50

there wasn't one particular, but I

15:52

think Merv Griffin actually was

15:54

wonderful. Because that was

15:56

back in the days when you didn't

15:59

go on to plug in. The thing right? right? Yeah,

16:01

You just went on to talk to hang out.

16:03

And hang out with the engine associates and

16:05

he never. He had notes the Us or

16:07

is a was like you're out to dinner

16:09

was right. all right. All the other one

16:11

I had fun with. And. I

16:13

did the whole ninety minutes was the carrots.

16:16

Ah yes and that was fun Vi

16:18

and that was when it was sort

16:20

of. I got you know, a bunch

16:22

of people came out be so yeah

16:24

I was to see. Only guess at

16:26

the ninety minutes and incident with this

16:28

scam. we had to. We sang a

16:30

song together or what was it? A

16:32

fine romance? My for illnesses ssp got

16:35

Cavett singing. Had him se Asia

16:37

and then another one. The other one.

16:39

I only did one. Was. Or

16:41

David Frost oh his British guy

16:43

Right Diaz and. He once again

16:45

none of them have any if we

16:48

were just talking. Vs yeah I was

16:50

plugging anything. why don't we it? But that

16:52

was sort of the way you went back

16:54

then of a little bit and I guess

16:56

course implies but it was still and nine

16:58

minutes and early early on Carson to with

17:01

it was just get it. as you said

17:03

hanging, did you do a New York with

17:05

Carson? I did oval. I

17:08

was always nervous. Yeah to do current

17:10

because I felt you sit in that

17:13

chair via and you have to score

17:15

race. And

17:17

I'm not a scorer I and I

17:19

could have known.a I guess hat us

17:22

I will tell jokes and Brazil as

17:24

so forth So I decided that I

17:26

didn't tell him via that I would

17:28

be go on and be the world's

17:31

worst. Interviews that was

17:33

the bit he didn't know

17:35

islam do it out to

17:37

see us care of. Yeah

17:39

and. This was when us my husband

17:41

and I had moved to. A

17:44

Beverly Hills Here in California? After New

17:46

York as soon as he's in California.

17:48

Rice. So he says y sin

17:50

that tough. To just moved out

17:52

here from New York. He has no hills I

17:54

said. Yes, And

17:58

He said. Earnest and

18:00

who knows that you bought Betty Grable

18:03

was all house as been Sues What

18:05

are your favorite movie stars? That must

18:07

be quite a thrill! Those. Yes,

18:11

Well. He caught our idea. Of

18:13

course this is denise artist Real

18:15

law and questions. Of and I was a

18:17

school. And maybe. And

18:22

in the audience started they got it

18:24

all at all as afterwards he says

18:26

that was the most for us because

18:28

the Syrian government know him as a

18:30

guide. I just thought that maybe that's

18:32

the way I can score right Business

18:34

on I saw a built in he

18:36

he was so quick I guess once

18:38

you've got a avoids he got as

18:41

he was on an audio I am

18:43

I just watched her for some reason

18:45

you know I I I watch the

18:47

entire new show. Pomeroy and we

18:49

did our souls. You're oh my gosh,

18:52

Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I didn't watch every

18:54

Carol Burnett show or yesterday. That

18:58

would have been quite a long day

19:00

was our lives. But but the as

19:02

did the new show. It's one of

19:04

those shows that easy. I don't he

19:06

doesn't. Really? Play as a

19:08

comedy. but it's definitely a comedy,

19:11

right? Well, it's a dark comedy.

19:13

That dark comedy exactly? Yes, and

19:16

I imagine for you. Because.

19:18

Like I like. I texted Allison Janney

19:20

yesterday I interviewed for in Iowa. We

19:22

word of that's what she said said

19:25

you were to everyday marry do third

19:27

year her new favorite person and that

19:29

I said her lover oh god the

19:31

the comedy talent on that show a

19:34

web. That's why does it really? When

19:36

they called me to do it I

19:38

hadn't read every i know anything about

19:40

it and they says Kristen Wiig, Allison

19:42

Janney Laura Dern I What? I

19:45

meant yeah, I don't care. You want me

19:47

to carry a spear Woodrow I made a

19:49

similar in a coma for a month or

19:51

a of it's assessment. Yep, it's a kind

19:53

of yeah yes, but you're doing some face

19:56

work during the yelled at yourself. in

19:59

as a ceremony where there was

20:01

a lip movement, I'm like, that was on purpose. She's

20:03

getting a laugh in a coma. But

20:07

when you see somebody like Kristin, because

20:09

there's not, in terms of comedic actresses.

20:11

She's brilliant. She's unbelievable, right? And

20:14

I think a direct legacy of what you

20:16

did in the work that, in terms of

20:18

the courage of it all, and the commitment

20:20

to character. And you had fun with her?

20:23

Oh, yeah, in fact, we did a lot, most

20:26

of my scenes are with her. Yeah. So

20:28

we bonded like crazy. I kind

20:30

of felt like her mom. Oh, really? In

20:33

a way, you know? So

20:35

we're in touch. Yeah, and Alison

20:38

and Laura, all of us names,

20:41

who were together. They're all

20:43

kind of incredible comedic actresses.

20:46

And everybody, I mean,

20:48

we got along like a house

20:50

of fire. There was no temperament,

20:52

no, and we just had, and

20:55

the directors were very good with this. They

20:58

encouraged us to kind of improvise a bit. Oh,

21:00

you did? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

21:03

a lot of stuff. They

21:05

said, OK, do another one and

21:07

do anything you want. Well, that's fun. That

21:09

must have given you a little juice. It

21:11

did. Yeah. Because that's like the old days.

21:13

Of course. Of course. Well, like

21:15

I wondered about, I've interviewed, like

21:18

I guess contemporaries of yours. Like I interviewed

21:20

Dick Van Dyke a while

21:23

back in Malibu. I went out there. I

21:25

interviewed Carl Reiner before he passed

21:28

away. And that was hilarious. I

21:31

interviewed Mel Brooks, Shelly Berman.

21:33

Oh my gosh. Did

21:35

you know Shelly Berman? Vaguely. Not

21:38

well. Because I noticed like in the first season

21:40

of the show, there's like so many guests, but

21:42

not a ton of comics, a few. And

21:45

I just wonder like the different circles, because you came up,

21:48

well, you were born in, where, Texas? 1933,

21:51

and I was born in Texas, San

21:53

Antonio. Do you still have people there? No.

21:57

Are you kidding? I'm 90 years old. I got people

21:59

there. I

22:02

mean sometimes there's people that kind of...

22:04

Uncle Methuselah, he's still there. He's 107.

22:09

And then you came here. Yep. I

22:11

came to Hollywood with my grandmother. We

22:14

moved here to be with my mother and we

22:16

lived a block north of Hollywood

22:18

Boulevard on Yucca and Wilcox. Oh, I

22:20

know who that is. And

22:22

that's where I grew up. And your mom was in show

22:25

business. No, she wanted to

22:27

be Luella Parsons and

22:29

head of Hopper. Sure,

22:31

right, the cowboy journalism. Yeah,

22:33

well, she interviewed a few

22:36

movie stars for Pick

22:38

magazine. That was an old magazine. Yeah, yeah,

22:40

yeah. But her

22:42

dreams never really came true. But

22:44

she did get to interview Rita

22:46

Hayworth. Yeah. Bob Hope.

22:48

When you had them on your show, did you ask

22:50

them if they remembered your mother? Well,

22:53

of course they wouldn't, you know. Yeah, yeah. No,

22:56

but it was so weird, you

22:58

know, when I growing up and mama

23:00

said, Oh, guess what? I got

23:02

to interview Rita Hayworth and she

23:04

wanted to make a phone call and didn't

23:06

have any change. So I let her

23:08

in nickel. And she said, How about that? Rita

23:11

Hayworth owes me a nickel. Big

23:15

star connection. Right, right. Yeah, right.

23:17

But it was a thrill for me. I

23:20

mean, my gosh, my grandmother's I

23:22

used to go to the movies all the time. Yeah,

23:24

yeah. They'd save our pennies. Right.

23:27

And go to where they had double features. And

23:29

so there were times when we would go

23:31

on the weekend

23:33

of Saturday and Sunday.

23:35

Yeah. We'd see four movies

23:38

in a weekend, you know, and there I

23:40

would see being cross. I would see Rita

23:42

Hayworth. I would see a lot of internet,

23:44

Betty Grable. Yeah. And they

23:46

were on my show. And it's crazy. Yeah.

23:49

And there's I watch that clip with

23:51

Gloria Swanson. Oh, yeah. Yep.

23:54

And she said in her book, yeah, she's

23:56

got a book Wrote her

23:58

autobiography, Swanson on. He

24:00

wants it and she said that the

24:03

greatest television experience she had was doing

24:05

are so yeah yep she said she

24:07

just loved it that than the way

24:09

we were sent via.it done And yeah

24:12

I see love doing the tangle with

24:14

them but boy dancers or yeah and

24:16

then doing Charlie Chaplin where I was

24:19

doing the Charwoman yeah with her and

24:21

she was sexy energizer, bunny frameworks and

24:23

she was old was seventy six. It's

24:25

so while the dead of that that

24:28

you're so kind of was at that

24:30

moment where there was sort of a

24:32

new guard coming in with all those

24:35

actors and actresses were just around right

24:37

and they were willing to play yeah

24:39

and well. I always wanted to

24:41

when we would have. Musical. Guess

24:44

I you like cheat or rivera

24:46

are are are going Verdun earth

24:48

I would wanna put them in

24:50

sketches right because. They would do

24:52

variety shows and they never had

24:54

an opportunity. To. Be in a

24:56

sketch of to be a funny idea to

24:58

have something other than just doing their number

25:01

of yeah yes as so much cheat on

25:03

me we did we used her a lot

25:05

as she was very funny she could do

25:07

and Gwen of course. And out we just

25:10

had more fun as so they love coming

25:12

on our shall be tusks again. they got

25:14

to do more than just get up and

25:16

do their. Number yeah yeah it is because

25:18

it was fun to see A I was

25:20

just thinking before I watch as that quip

25:23

of you and Emmett Kelly all the best

25:25

kind of was a Wild Cliff it was

25:27

a sweet as it sounds like an art

25:29

piece hill they do it you know of

25:32

that was saw lots of the Silver Lining

25:34

a I for Mooney the movie I was

25:36

just such of or said it is a

25:38

strange to to to think that you're so

25:41

much of a part of what physical comic

25:43

view is is kind of clowning. Earlier

25:45

in terms of like emails and then

25:47

to see him all sad inquiry and

25:49

but I as a kid I hated

25:51

clowns. Yeah, who doesn't Id? they're scared

25:54

us so either molested really works well.

25:56

as soon as yeah and I was

25:58

at it and they were. hitting

26:00

each other and banging it. And then when

26:02

I pointed a gun at

26:04

me, I made the first row around, this is like

26:06

this, and of course an umbrella came out. But

26:09

I thought, that's not funny. I

26:11

was maybe six years old. But it scared

26:13

me to death. They are scary. But

26:16

Emmett never scared me because there was a

26:18

sweetness about him. Yeah, he's the classic sad

26:20

clown. Exactly. And he was around forever, right?

26:22

Oh yeah, it's so sweet. And really when

26:24

he talked to you it was sweet? Oh,

26:26

adorable, very sweet. So now you didn't go

26:29

over to your dad because he was out

26:31

there, away, right? No, I didn't grow

26:33

up with him because they were divorced.

26:35

Right. But he would come and visit.

26:38

And unfortunately he was

26:40

an alcoholic. And

26:42

so my mother became an alcoholic.

26:44

Yeah, the two of them. Yeah,

26:46

even though they were separated and

26:48

everything. But they got along. Yeah.

26:52

And there were times when he would be sober and

26:54

it would just be wonderful. However,

26:56

he was so much

26:58

like Jimmy Stewart. And then when he drank he was

27:00

like a drunk Jimmy Stewart. He

27:03

was sweet. I mean, there was never any

27:05

anger or angst or anything. He

27:07

was just had that disease. Yeah,

27:10

well, believe me, I've got, I'm

27:12

in my 25th year sober. Oh,

27:14

wonderful. Yeah. Wow. I

27:16

know, it's crazy. Yeah. Long time. He

27:18

was sober for a year, I remember, when I

27:20

was 11. Yeah. And

27:22

it was the best, we had the best time

27:25

because he lived with his mother, my paternal

27:28

grandmother in Santa Monica. And

27:30

so on the weekends, when I was in

27:32

school, I'd take the streetcar and

27:35

the bus and he'd meet me

27:37

and I'd be with them all weekend.

27:39

We'd go to the movies and we'd

27:41

go to, there was the ocean park,

27:43

there was a roller coaster. The

27:45

ride's there. Oh, there, isn't it? Yeah, I think

27:47

the rides are still in Santa Monica Pier anyways.

27:49

Anyway, that's where we'd go. And

27:52

it was just wonderful. And then she

27:54

died, his mother. Yeah. And

27:57

he came to see me and he was kind of

27:59

weaving. And he had had some

28:01

dude's drink so he fell off the wagon

28:04

and he never recovered. Oh,

28:07

now was there AA then?

28:09

Yeah, but it wasn't, I

28:12

think Mama went to one

28:14

meeting and had to have a drink

28:16

afterwards. Yeah, it was the

28:19

old days of it. Yeah. It

28:21

must have been very specific. Yeah. Because you

28:23

watched the days of Wine and Roses. Right. That's

28:26

sort of Jack Klugman. That's sort of what it looked like.

28:28

It was new. Right. And your mom

28:30

never really got sober. No. Her

28:33

dreams were crushed. In

28:35

fact, they both died before they were 50. Oh

28:39

my goodness. Yeah, they were 44, 45 years old. Now

28:42

how do you figure you didn't get

28:44

stuck with that disease? Well maybe it

28:46

skipped a generation, I don't know, because

28:49

my grandmother, Mama's Mama, didn't drink. And

28:51

thank God she was around for stability,

28:53

right? Uh-huh. Well, she was

28:55

a hypochondriacal Christian scientist. Oh,

28:57

so no doctor is constantly thinking she's dying?

29:00

Yes, but then if

29:03

she didn't feel well or

29:05

anything, and if it didn't work, Christian

29:08

science, she'd pop a phenobarbital. Oh, so?

29:11

So as I said, a hypochondriacal

29:13

Christian scientist. Yeah. So

29:15

she had that back up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it

29:17

was aspirin and phenobarbital and all

29:19

of that. Right, yeah, yeah.

29:21

Oh, yeah. And like in

29:23

looking at it now, like I mean, because

29:25

I know you've talked about sobriety, you know,

29:28

and looking back at your childhood, was there

29:30

a framework that you were able to sort

29:32

of understand yourself better once you got more

29:34

aware of like what the disease of alcohol

29:36

is? I didn't really know that it

29:39

was a disease. Right. I thought that, you

29:41

know, my dad said when he was sober,

29:43

he said, I haven't had a drink and

29:45

I won't as long as you pray for

29:48

me. Oh, yeah. So when he started to

29:50

drink again, I prayed for you.

29:53

Yeah. Well, you didn't, I prayed

29:55

and prayed and prayed, you know. He laid

29:57

that on me, but it wasn't to hurt my

29:59

feelings. sure. He just felt, you know.

30:01

There's a way to ease the responsibility

30:04

a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I

30:06

mean, codependency is its own thing, right?

30:11

So, I was able to kind of, oh,

30:14

I don't know, disappear at times.

30:16

Yeah. To myself, I love to

30:18

draw. I would sit in the

30:20

corner where my grandmother and

30:23

mother would be arguing about money. Yeah. And

30:26

liquor. Yeah. And I would sit

30:28

in the corner and I would just draw and

30:31

lose myself. And mama

30:33

always said, oh, well, there's Carol. She's

30:36

pulled her veil down. Yeah. I

30:38

could. Oh, thank goodness. Yeah.

30:40

And so, it bothered me.

30:43

Mama lived down the hall and I was with

30:45

my grandmother and we had one room. Yeah. With

30:48

a Murphy bed. Right. That she slept on. And

30:50

I slept on the couch. Oh, my God. Until

30:52

I was 21. Really? I never

30:55

had a bed. That's crazy. But I

30:57

guess that's just the way it was. Yeah.

30:59

Yeah. I slept on the couch. Oh, you must

31:01

have been so happy to get out. Well,

31:05

I got the chance to go to New York.

31:07

But when you were a kid, you weren't necessarily

31:09

funny. You didn't think? Don't,

31:12

nor did I know I could sing. Really? I

31:15

wanted to be a journalist. Yeah. Or

31:18

a cartoonist. Yes. And

31:20

mama, because she wrote, you know, she said,

31:22

that's great. Be a journalist, you know, and

31:25

so and so forth. And so

31:27

I graduate, I was graduating from Hollywood

31:29

High. Yeah. And I wanted to

31:31

go to UCLA. Yeah. And major

31:34

in journalism. Sure. But

31:36

we couldn't afford the tuition to UCLA. You know,

31:39

how much it was? How much? Guess.

31:42

At that time, 1951. For a whole year? Or I don't

31:45

know, 500? $43

31:49

for the year. For

31:51

the term. Wow. And we didn't

31:53

have it. Our rent was $30 a month. Yeah. And we

31:56

barely made that.

31:58

Yeah. But so. But

32:00

I said to Nanny, my grandmother, she

32:03

said, go to Woodbury Secretarial School so

32:05

that you could be a secretary and

32:07

nab the boss. Yeah. That

32:09

was the plan. Nab the boss. Get a guy. Get

32:12

the guy with money. Right. Yeah.

32:14

And I said, I'm going to go to, I know, I

32:17

know, I saw myself on campus. Yeah.

32:20

Mark, I didn't know how I was gonna get there. Well,

32:23

we, our room, I faced

32:26

the lobby of this apartment building,

32:28

and there were the pigeonhole mailboxes.

32:30

Yeah. You know, where you, and

32:32

so every morning I'd look to see if we

32:34

had an envelope in our little slot. Yeah. So

32:37

this one morning, yeah, there was, I went

32:39

and I got it, got back into the room and

32:41

looked at it. And it was my

32:44

name type written with the

32:46

address. There

32:48

was a three-cent stamp on it, but it

32:50

hadn't been mailed. It had just been, hadn't

32:52

been canceled. Yeah. So somebody had

32:54

just put it in the slot. I opened

32:57

it up. Yeah. And

32:59

there was a $50 bill. And to

33:02

this day, I don't know where

33:04

that came from, because we didn't have that kind of

33:06

money. What do you, what do you think was someone

33:08

in the building? Someone who did- Everybody was poor. And

33:11

somebody, if somebody did, they'd come up and say, look

33:13

what I'm doing for you, or- Right. That

33:15

was my ticket to UCLA. You

33:17

have no idea. No, to this day. That's

33:20

crazy. Yeah. So

33:22

you went. Now what happened

33:24

was there was no major

33:26

in journalism. Sure. You

33:29

could join the Daily Bruin, the

33:31

newspaper, and take a class

33:33

in journalism, but there was no major.

33:35

Right. So I got out the

33:38

catalog and I'm looking through and I see theater

33:41

arts English. There's

33:43

theater arts theater, theater arts film, theater

33:46

arts English. Yeah. And I

33:48

thought, oh, and it's offered playwriting

33:50

courses and writing courses too.

33:54

So I thought, well, like I'll do that and

33:56

then I'll join the Daily Bruin and- Yeah. Well,

33:59

when you were made- major in TA, theater arts,

34:01

whether you wanted to be a writer or

34:03

a director or whatever. As

34:07

a freshman, you had to take an acting course.

34:09

There you go. And you had to take scenery

34:12

and lighting and costumes, aside

34:14

from all your other classes. So there I am

34:17

and I'm in this acting class. I

34:20

was terrible. I was scared and all

34:22

of that. But then I was in

34:24

the class and one of

34:26

the other students, when we had to do another scene, said,

34:29

well, would you want to do a

34:32

scene from Red Peppers, which was

34:34

Noel Coward. And

34:37

I thought, well, that could be fun. And there was a little

34:39

song in it, but I had to be a Cockney.

34:41

So I pretended to be Betty Grable

34:43

with a Cockney. So

34:46

I kind of sang a little bit and we got

34:48

an A. And then people

34:51

started coming up to me, students, saying, would you be

34:53

in my one act? Would you do this? So

34:55

forth, so on. And

34:57

then all of a sudden, I was

35:00

doing a scene from one act

35:03

and I was a pillbilly lady and

35:05

I came out and I drew on

35:08

my background of Texas and Arkansas. And

35:11

I came out and there was a couple of

35:13

sentences that I said and they

35:15

all, they laughed like crazy. Yeah.

35:18

And I thought, I think

35:20

I want to do this. That was it. Total,

35:24

total out of the blue. Yeah. Excellent.

35:27

You got hooked on the laughter. I got hooked

35:29

on the laughter. And then another student came up

35:32

and he was in the music department and he

35:34

said, can you carry a tune? And

35:36

I said, yeah, because my mom and

35:38

I, we used to kind of sing

35:40

in the kitchen with the ukulele, but

35:42

I didn't ever belter do solos. And

35:45

I said, yeah, he said, well, would you be

35:47

in the chorus of a scene from South Pacific

35:50

where the nurses are all singing with

35:53

the lead, my wash that man right out

35:55

of my hair. And

35:58

so the scout, the lead. was

36:00

singing and I was in the court and

36:02

I just belted and they

36:04

took me out of the court and

36:07

he said would you do

36:09

a scene from Guys and Dolls and

36:12

sing Adelaide's Lament which is

36:14

a solo. And I said

36:17

oh gosh I don't know. You

36:19

know and he said well it's a funny song

36:21

and she has a cold in the

36:24

song. She's lamenting because she

36:26

has this terrible cold in

36:28

a psychosomatic and I

36:31

said well if she has a cold then

36:33

I don't have to sound so good. And

36:35

you know if I hit a clam or

36:37

something, a bad note, I can blame it

36:39

on the cold. So

36:41

I belted that out and that

36:44

got great response and I thought okay

36:46

I want to be in musical comedy. That

36:48

was it. That was it. Had there been a

36:50

school of journalism I wouldn't

36:52

be talking to you now. I know. I

36:55

wonder what you would have been doing. I don't know.

36:57

Yeah but that's it's amazing that

36:59

like I guess to find your talent at

37:02

that age it must be completely surprising. Total.

37:04

Like you just you're sort of like you had no idea

37:06

that was in you. I was 18. Yeah. I remember when

37:09

I finally got the chance

37:11

to go to New York and I was

37:14

going to get into equity. That

37:17

was gonna change. There

37:20

was somebody some actress

37:22

whose name was Carol Bennett and

37:25

I thought maybe I should change my name because

37:27

my middle name is Creighton. Yeah. I thought Carol

37:29

Creighton. That was kind of nice sound. And

37:32

then I thought no I want to be

37:34

my own name because I had a crush

37:36

on a boy in school. Tommy Tracy. Yeah.

37:38

All through junior high school and high school

37:40

and I if I ever make it I

37:42

want him to know. That's

37:45

cute. Because he never looked at me. You

37:49

got him. I mean

37:51

all those little crazy things. Sure you hold

37:54

on to that stuff. Yeah. You know I

37:56

remember. Yeah. It's old resentment. You know they

37:58

kind of they may fade a little. Did

38:00

you want to be other than what you're doing

38:02

now? Well, I'm a comic. I always wanted to

38:04

be a comic. But

38:08

the interviewing thing came just out

38:10

of strange timing of

38:12

this new medium. And

38:15

I was sort of... I

38:18

have a way of managing my talent to

38:20

guarantee that I don't ever get really big.

38:26

I don't want to let too much out. I just

38:28

want to stay at this level. So

38:31

when I started the podcast, I was in

38:33

a valley in

38:35

terms of what I was going to do with CareerWise.

38:37

And I had done some radio. And I was doing

38:39

a lot of stand-up, but I couldn't really sell

38:42

tickets at that time. And then podcasting

38:44

started to kind of

38:46

happen. And we just got in on the

38:48

ground floor. And my producer and I just decided

38:50

to do two shows a week no matter what. That's

38:53

fabulous. And at this point, I've interviewed almost 1,600 people.

38:58

Most of them creatives of one kind or

39:00

another. It started

39:03

with comics of me basically apologizing

39:05

for being an asshole to a

39:08

lot of my community. And that's what

39:10

created the style of interviewing. I

39:12

would love to hear the one you did with Jonathan.

39:15

Oh my God. It was so wild because I drove

39:17

up... I'll drive for people.

39:20

I did Jonathan. And

39:22

he can get pretty dark. And

39:26

that's a known thing. But if that

39:28

part of your brain lives there,

39:30

you'll go there. And it was

39:32

very interesting because I drove up to Marin to interview

39:35

Robin too. And it's one of the only existing

39:37

sort of candid conversations with him. It was

39:40

just him and I. And

39:42

both of them kind of ruminated about suicide at

39:44

the end of their interview. It

39:46

was kind of intense. Oh my gosh.

39:49

That there was this arc

39:51

that connected them in so many ways. And

39:53

there's a darkness to both of them. And

39:55

of course Robin adored. Loved him. Yeah. I

39:58

mean that was the whole thing. watch Jonathan

40:00

and you're just like where does where did that

40:02

come from yeah were there other

40:04

people like that not to my

40:06

knowledge like when you I've never met

40:09

other than Jonathan he was so funny

40:11

he was just it's just so funny

40:13

yeah so when when you

40:16

get out of UCLA you know

40:18

how do you get to New York another

40:20

weird thing I was in the

40:23

opera workshop musical comedy workshop and

40:25

so once that I did Adelaide's Lament

40:28

for the Ties and Gals so sure

40:30

so I loved being in that class

40:32

yeah so I was gonna do a

40:34

scene for the professor from Annie Get

40:36

Your Gun yeah there were

40:38

about nine of us in the class and we

40:40

picked different scenes and so our

40:43

professor said my wife and I

40:46

are being given a party

40:49

in San Diego next

40:51

week next Saturday night and

40:54

it's a black tie affair why

40:56

don't you kids come down you'll be

40:58

the entertainment for the party and I'll

41:00

grade you right wow so we all

41:03

got in cars and everything I went down and

41:06

I did my scene for Annie Get

41:08

Your Gun right and I'm going to

41:10

I went to the buffet table and

41:12

I'm stealing orders in a napkin to

41:14

take home to my grandmother yeah put

41:17

in my purse and there's a tap on

41:19

my shoulder and oh my god I'm busted

41:21

yeah and there was this gentleman and his

41:23

wife black tie she's in a lovely gown

41:25

yeah he's why I enjoyed you very much

41:27

I said thank you he said

41:30

so what do you want to do with your life I said

41:33

well someday I don't I want to go to

41:35

New York where I could be

41:37

a musical comedy like Ethel Merman and

41:39

Mary Martin yeah he says so much

41:41

there now and I said

41:43

I well I

41:46

don't have the beans I

41:48

hope someday I can save up

41:50

enough money and I had a

41:52

part-time job as a cashier in

41:54

a movie theater on Hollywood Boulevard

41:56

right? 75 cents an hour? Wow

41:58

So he said. Oh.

42:00

Into the money to go to New York. And.

42:03

I thought well as a champagne talking

42:05

to, you know, yeah yeah. tennis. Slices

42:08

know he misses you. Miss cards he

42:10

said be in my office. A week for

42:12

Monday. As you show business go

42:14

know. He was a

42:16

millionaire. He at that time

42:18

millionaire here in the shipbuilding

42:20

business or her head office

42:22

in La Jolla, Calif. I.

42:26

Went down. Also. Was aboard

42:28

that I did see what he offered. it's

42:30

am to Via So we drove down. When.

42:33

Into his office nine o'clock that morning.

42:36

And He said. Okay, And

42:38

he rode out. To. One.

42:41

Thousand dollar checks. He.

42:44

Says is this is Lisa. The

42:46

stipulations. You. Must use the money

42:48

to go to New York aren't. You

42:50

Must never reveal my name. And

42:53

as you are successful you must help others

42:55

out. And. That was it. And

42:57

it's alone. paid back and five years this is.

43:00

You can. To. Be no

43:02

interest vs to the day I

43:04

paid Events as a certified. And

43:07

by then I was. Ah, initial

43:09

call once upon a matter of hours a

43:11

day one and I. Saw. It took

43:13

me five it's that was dating system for and

43:15

what he said. He

43:17

never said a word seat at But

43:20

Af and was years later when I

43:22

had my show. His wife called. And

43:25

she said we'd love to have you come

43:27

down and have lunch with us. It's a

43:29

marina. Get on certain San Diego. So

43:31

he did and he was very sweet.

43:34

He was caught quiet. And on

43:36

the way back to the car, I. Was walking with her.

43:39

He said, you know, whenever. For

43:41

any reason of. Your name came up

43:43

in a conversation or if you are and

43:45

television always with. Other people's he

43:47

never ever ever said. A

43:49

Word paths. The. Never a

43:51

while now and and we've never

43:53

given his name that know the

43:55

and so us but. Evidently he

43:57

has helped other people. Out not

43:59

just the showbiz says she said he hopes

44:01

up a young man. Start a restaurant

44:03

most. Have. Kids have given

44:06

the money to get that going to.

44:08

He believed that he to do something

44:10

you know he trusted is in Syria

44:13

and cells. As I got

44:15

to your great story. And. Then

44:17

you know it all. Any pay them

44:19

back in the day of forward the

44:21

app store where that is. Weird things

44:23

have happened like that. Fifty dollars? yeah

44:25

what is it out so a hill?

44:27

maybe he did that to subsidize. Didn't

44:29

know him this V s health so

44:31

eager to New York in a like

44:33

guys are just got him looking at

44:35

some of the stuff about you. I

44:38

know you were in that that boarding

44:40

house for women to be at all

44:42

talented people wanting to be one run

44:44

a rehearsal club it's called ah stand.

44:46

Up for it happened was

44:48

I was so naive stupid

44:50

there. I

44:53

didn't know where I was gonna live and me

44:55

my grandmother said to get on a New York

44:57

look what we do with all that money to

44:59

yeah I said I have to go nearly that's

45:01

what what is for here she said. New

45:05

York's cove you'll be didn't a week your blood's

45:07

to see him. So

45:10

much for that. Yeah, it's it's and

45:12

he was it. I have to go.

45:14

So it was August. Nineteen sixty

45:16

three went up there with that guy

45:18

know he he came laid off as

45:20

I was by my ex and I

45:22

got on a plane as soon as

45:24

a nowhere as gonna go via. I

45:26

had one of cardboard suitcase and sounds

45:28

about it I'm. On the plane and I'm

45:31

glitch. Through. The New Yorker magazine

45:33

on I seats an ad for

45:35

the Algonquin Hotel earth when I

45:37

was old round tables the I

45:39

sat with all those years in

45:41

people as well and all their

45:43

superstar with i had some money

45:45

last year Ah. Either. The

45:47

thousand dollars I had to pay for

45:50

political and I had to have to

45:52

was symptoms pull so that when. Thousand

45:55

or so I was. I was getting

45:57

low and on carrier. into

46:00

the Algonquin. I almost had

46:02

a fit. It was $9.

46:04

Now our rent was $1 a

46:06

day before. $9

46:10

a night was a fortune. And I

46:12

thought, oh my God, what am I,

46:14

oh God. But anyway, I had

46:16

no place to start. So, okay. I felt

46:18

kind of alone in the hotel. I called

46:21

home collect and

46:25

they said, come home. We miss you. I

46:27

just got in there. I said, I have

46:29

to stay. I'll keep

46:32

in touch. So I hung up and

46:35

it started to rain. And I

46:38

love rain. I don't like it when it's

46:40

flooding, but I love rain. Good

46:43

things that happened to me a lot of times

46:45

went rain. I said, oh

46:47

well, okay, I'm here in New

46:49

York and it's raining. Turn on

46:51

the radio. Hurricane Carol has

46:53

hit New York. That was the name of

46:55

the hurricane. I went, okay. So I had

46:58

this one

47:02

phone number and it was a phone number of

47:04

the girl who had done the lead

47:07

in, watch that

47:10

man right out of my hair that we

47:12

did. She'd gone to New York a year

47:14

before and she'd gotten in touch with

47:16

a friend and said, Carol, let's go to New York. Give

47:18

her this number. It's the one number I had,

47:22

Ellie. And I called and it

47:24

was the rehearsal club. And I got

47:26

a hold of her. She said, where

47:28

are you? I said, I'm at the Algond. What

47:30

are you doing at the Algond? Get out of

47:32

there. Come up here. I'll try to get you

47:34

a cot in the room. And so I checked

47:39

out, pouring rain, walked

47:41

up and got into the rehearsal club. It

47:43

was all these women running around with curlers

47:45

in their hair, playing the piano, vocalizing.

47:47

It was a beehive of activity.

47:50

And she introduced me to the

47:52

house mother, Ms. Carlson.

47:54

And she said, well,

47:56

you're in luck. I have one cot available.

48:00

global, and it was in what they

48:02

call the transit room, which was on

48:04

the first floor, and there were four

48:06

other roommates in this one room. Five

48:08

women, one bathroom, one closet, $18 a

48:12

week, room and board. That's

48:14

a good deal, right? And I had a cot, and

48:17

it was like heaven because I'd always slept

48:19

on a couch. Now

48:21

I have a cot. And you're surrounded

48:24

by talented people singing. Yeah, and I

48:27

had these four roommates, and they

48:29

were all totally different characters. Actually,

48:32

we're working on making a series

48:34

out of the rehearsal club in

48:37

that era, in the 50s. Oh,

48:39

that would have been great. Yeah, so yeah. Who's

48:42

working on that with you? Apple TV, maybe.

48:45

Oh, that's a great idea. Yeah, because

48:47

there are so many women, and

48:50

we were all young and all

48:53

anxious to do, that was the tap dancers,

48:55

there were actresses, there

48:57

were singers, there were opera singers,

48:59

there were musicians, all kinds. And

49:02

each one, of course, have their own

49:04

story. Of course, yeah. You know, so

49:06

it's just open for a lot of...

49:09

Oh, yeah. And all the light

49:11

and darkness of trying to get into show business. And

49:14

some are good, and some are not. Right, exactly. And

49:16

some lose out on auditions, and you know.

49:19

So I, now, I have

49:22

to get an agent. So I go around to

49:24

visit, and so they would say, well, let us

49:26

know when you're in something. Yeah. How

49:28

do I get in something? You need

49:30

an agent. It was Catch-22. Sure.

49:33

So, I finally got in

49:35

to see one and showed him

49:37

my scrapbook of UCLA rave

49:40

reviews. Hey, yes, yeah. He

49:42

said, well, let me know when you're in something. I

49:44

said, but how do I do this? He said, good,

49:46

go put on your own show. He

49:49

told you to do that. I said, okay. I

49:51

went back to the club, called a meeting with

49:53

all the girls. Right. I said,

49:55

Let's put on a show. And

49:57

We wrote our own material. We

50:01

got the these ladies of

50:03

rich ladies. And. New York's

50:05

who sponsored the club which was

50:07

quite. The rent was so cheap

50:09

the Us is inexpensive years and

50:12

they gave us two hundred dollars

50:14

to hire a concert hall. Call.

50:17

For sir concert hall and sixty

50:19

seventh for to nice we sit

50:21

penny postcards out to every agent

50:24

director for dessert in town. Say

50:27

you're always saying let us know when you're

50:29

something. Well the girls of the rehearsal clever

50:31

in some place. This is your ticket

50:33

please come and see as here. We.

50:36

Were packed for to nice. And

50:39

three of us got ages right

50:41

away and that are happen and

50:43

you would do are we do

50:45

and what was your I just

50:47

I did a takeoff on there

50:49

was a so called New Faces

50:51

of nineteen. Sixty two were Eartha

50:53

Kitt. Cruz. I'm sexy

50:55

via. Singer sang a song

50:57

called Monotonous where she went from

51:00

one chaise lounge to another verse

51:02

Sir Sexy vs Very Sexy. Seeing

51:04

about her life was so monotonous

51:07

soon as everybody wanted her and

51:09

on your Fps so I did

51:11

it with three broken down kitchen

51:14

chairs has of what a woman

51:16

was a neighbor on a just

51:18

says what's his curlers and my

51:21

hair's or see how my life

51:23

is monotonous see us as. It

51:26

works a glass. Yeah, it's so funny

51:28

because like you know, the first base

51:30

that you deserve. That. Made you

51:32

want do comedy I you know really

51:34

becomes a character on the Burnett show

51:36

in a one term woman the under

51:38

the up and then men miss this

51:40

one become some version of the young

51:42

the cleaning lady raise the up there

51:44

while Smith said there is he sees

51:46

these yeah that be things have been

51:48

them with you your whole life is.

51:50

but when like out what I'm curious

51:52

about is like once you get an

51:55

agent and you're in New York and

51:57

I don't know when the John Foster

51:59

Dulles on happened. That was in 57. So

52:02

that was later, a couple of years

52:04

later? Yeah. Is that when you

52:06

have an act? Yeah.

52:08

That started the act. Yeah. But

52:11

what happened was once I got the

52:13

agent in 54, it was

52:15

when we did the Reserve Club

52:17

Review. So for that

52:19

summer in 55, I

52:22

went to a summer stock

52:24

called Green Mansions

52:26

in the Adirondacks. It

52:28

was 10 weeks, $500. How

52:31

many shows did you do? I mean like several. We

52:33

would do four different shows a week. We would do

52:35

a play. Yeah. We would do

52:38

an opera. We would do an

52:40

original musical comedy. It

52:42

was tough. An opera? Yeah.

52:46

Well, I would. But others did the

52:48

opera. I did maybe a little bit. But

52:50

then we would do musical comedy. We would

52:52

do sketches, a review, all of that. So

52:54

this was the education? Oh, total

52:56

education. It was fabulous. And

52:58

guess who was there with me? Who?

53:00

Sheldon Harnick, who wrote Fiddler

53:03

on the Roof eventually.

53:05

And she loves me. And Adams

53:09

and Strauss, who wrote Bye Bye Birdie.

53:11

They were there? We were

53:13

all together. We were new. Oh my God.

53:16

Yeah, they were a little bit older than I was. But

53:19

maybe five years older or something. So that was

53:21

sort of the musical comedy version of the Catskills.

53:23

Exactly. Right. And

53:25

the following summer, I went to Tamamint,

53:28

which was in the Poconos. And

53:30

that was the same kind of a thing where

53:32

we would do, it was a little easier

53:34

because we didn't do that many different things.

53:37

We did a musical,

53:39

original musical, and a musical comedy

53:42

review every week. And

53:44

there was Artie Johnson.

53:46

Really? Yeah. Was

53:48

he always funny? Yeah. Yeah.

53:51

Yeah. And we had just wonderful

53:53

training. And Larry Kurt, who later

53:55

on became the first

53:57

lead in West Side Story. Wow,

54:00

so this is really the training

54:02

ground. They don't have

54:04

it anymore. No, they don't have a

54:06

lot of things anymore. No, it's so

54:08

sad because it was such good training.

54:11

And all these people who were creative people,

54:13

that you get all this skill set that

54:15

would ultimately lead to a variety

54:17

show, but also just Broadway. Totally.

54:20

Yeah, and what were the audiences like? They

54:23

were people who came to... For the

54:25

summer kind of deal? Well, for the week. They would

54:27

change each week. There would be new group

54:29

of people coming in. And we had

54:32

to be good because we

54:34

offered ourselves there. And if

54:37

they didn't want to come, they would be going out in

54:39

the canoe and necking. And

54:41

they were looking to hook up. A

54:43

lot of the people who came, they were

54:45

mostly single. Okay. So the show

54:48

had to be fine. It'd be good

54:50

to keep them there, yeah. Oh, that's

54:52

incredible. Because it really is like, on

54:54

the other side, it

54:56

sounds like the Catskills experience was different.

54:59

Right, right. The audience was different. I think they

55:01

were a little middle-class Jewish people going up there

55:03

as Moray and Samway. But

55:05

the theater thing was just fun. It was great. And

55:08

that's where they wrote Once Upon a Mattress.

55:11

Mary Rogers, who

55:13

wrote the music and all.

55:15

And they created Once Upon a Mattress. I wasn't

55:18

there then. That was after

55:21

I was there. So when you come back to New

55:23

York, after doing these for two years, do you

55:25

have an act? Well, Ken

55:27

Welch, who was a piano player at

55:29

one of the auditions I went to, followed

55:33

me after I had auditioned for one of the

55:35

summer stock places. And

55:37

he gave me his card. He was a

55:39

special material writer. And he said, I really

55:42

loved what you did. And so

55:44

if you ever need a coach or

55:46

a special material, please call me. So

55:48

after I got Green Mansions, and I

55:50

came back to New York, and

55:53

I was living at the club, I called

55:55

him. And I was part-time

55:57

checking hats at

56:00

ladies tea room for

56:02

money, you know, which is not

56:05

too many women check their hats, but they

56:08

check packages and stuff like that. And

56:11

so I would pay him, it was $10 a session, I'd

56:14

pay him in quarters and dimes and

56:16

nickels for my kids. And he wrote

56:18

the John Foster Dulles number. And

56:21

we auditioned that for the Blue Angel and

56:23

they hired me. The club. The

56:25

club. And then he

56:27

wrote a 20 minute act. He

56:30

wound up being along then later on with

56:32

his wife, Special Matero writers

56:34

for me until maybe

56:37

they died five years ago. Oh

56:39

my God. They did all my

56:42

specials with Beverly Sills, with

56:44

Posse, Dr. Mingo, with Julie Andrew.

56:47

They wrote all of those specials and they wrote on

56:49

my show. Wow, so that

56:51

was some relationship. It was, yeah. And

56:54

the act, was it like a cabaret act? Yeah,

56:56

and I would do, I would say,

56:58

oh, different types of singers. Okay.

57:01

Here's the one who's auditioning and very nervous.

57:03

Oh yeah. And I would do her. Then

57:05

here's the one who's got more confidence than

57:08

Ethel Merman and I would do her. So

57:10

I would go into character. I

57:12

wasn't a standup doing jokes. I couldn't

57:14

do it. Were you on bills with

57:16

standups? Yeah. And also

57:18

I was on a bill with Mike

57:21

and Elaine. Mike

57:23

Nichols and Elaine. Sure. That's

57:26

how we met. That's how you met Mike Nichols. Yep. Who

57:28

went on to... Who went on also to write...

57:31

Julie Andrews and you. Yeah. He wrote, with Ken

57:33

Wells, she wrote Carnegie Hall. Wow.

57:35

So you're on a bill. What club was that?

57:37

The Blue Angel nightclub. So you saw them do

57:40

their bit. That must have been

57:42

great. Insane. Yeah.

57:45

It was so fabulous. And the show was usually like two

57:47

or three acts? There would be four

57:49

acts and it would be like twenty minutes of

57:51

session and you'd do two a night.

57:54

Okay. One at eight o'clock and another around midnight. So

57:56

that was mostly... those were the gigs you were doing

57:58

when you did the live shows. What happened

58:00

was I did the Dulles

58:02

number and I got on the

58:04

par show, Jack Parr. To do that number. And

58:07

I did that number and all

58:09

hell broke loose. Right. I went back to

58:11

do the midnight show and the

58:13

phones were ringing off the hook. Some

58:15

people, very upset about that girl who did

58:18

that number. They were upset. Some people were

58:20

and some people got it. So John Fosseville,

58:22

so Secretary of State, notoriously sort

58:24

of seemingly a boring guy. Well, yeah,

58:26

he was aptly named. Yes. Let's

58:29

put it that way. So what happened was one

58:31

of the calls that night,

58:33

that was a Tuesday, was

58:35

from a man named David Waters, who was

58:37

his television representative. And he said,

58:40

Mr. Dulles didn't see it, but could

58:42

you go back on the par show

58:44

Thursday? So Jack

58:46

Parr had me back on on Thursday.

58:49

Then Ed Sullivan called and I

58:51

did it on Sunday. So three times that

58:53

week I did the Dulles

58:55

number. And those are the only shows people are watching.

58:57

Right, it was like, everyone

58:59

in the world. It was like the editorial

59:01

pages and stuff, on and on

59:03

and on. And of course, as

59:06

hot as I was that week, I was cold

59:08

in the next two weeks of. Well,

59:11

that's interesting about a novelty song, right? Yeah, yeah,

59:13

yeah. I was just a girl who's like, but

59:15

what I love was the following

59:18

week, Dulles was

59:20

on Meet the Press and I'm

59:22

watching. And so

59:24

towards the end, right to the end, before

59:27

signing off the interview, I said,

59:30

Mr. Dulles, I just have one question. What

59:33

is this thing that's going

59:35

on between you and that girl who sings

59:37

that love song about you? And I'm watching

59:39

it tell, oh my God. And

59:42

he got a twinkle in his eye. And

59:44

he said, I make it a matter of

59:46

policy, never to discuss matters of

59:48

the heart in public. He

59:52

had a sense of humor. That's great.

59:54

Isn't that great? Yeah. He

59:56

went all the way to the top. You were in the White

59:58

House with that thing. Yeah, right. And so

1:00:01

but but it didn't lead anywhere of course

1:00:03

it did not really it was just you

1:00:05

know So I you know that I was

1:00:07

I kept doing the my

1:00:09

nightclub act and then I remember

1:00:11

when I was gonna go to

1:00:13

New York and my Friends from

1:00:16

UCLA Gave me a beau

1:00:18

voyage party. Yeah, and I said, what are you gonna

1:00:20

do when you get to New York? I said I'm

1:00:23

gonna be in a Broadway show directed

1:00:25

by Georgia habit someday. Yeah, so now

1:00:27

I'm home in New York New

1:00:30

York you married. Yeah. Yep. Yes. I

1:00:32

married the boy that we did the

1:00:34

number with the other thousand dollar guy

1:00:36

Yeah, yeah, and now

1:00:38

we were raising my kids sister. I brought her

1:00:40

back to live with me How much was the

1:00:42

age different? She was I'm 11 years older. So

1:00:44

she was a teenager. She's still around. Oh, yeah

1:00:46

okay, and so, um this

1:00:50

One I was up for a role They

1:00:54

were gonna redo babes in arms

1:00:57

Oscar Hammerstein again Richard

1:01:00

Rodgers and they were gonna open it

1:01:02

in Florida and I auditioned

1:01:05

and they liked me and

1:01:07

they thought I They were gonna

1:01:09

hire me to sing Johnny

1:01:11

One Note, which is a major song

1:01:13

and I thought I had Had

1:01:17

it and this the director called he

1:01:19

wanted me but he said Carol. I'm

1:01:21

sorry, but you're not good They

1:01:24

want a name. Yeah Okay,

1:01:26

so I was really disappointed and

1:01:29

my kids sister said we

1:01:31

still call each other sissy Sissy

1:01:34

that you know the cliche you

1:01:36

always say one door closes another

1:01:38

will open. Yeah The

1:01:41

phone rang that instant picked it

1:01:44

up and it was the producers of a show

1:01:46

called what's up on a mattress Hey, would you

1:01:48

like to come down? now

1:01:50

an audition for George Abbott We're

1:01:53

doing what come on I

1:01:56

got in the subway went down

1:01:59

that afternoon knew that I lost

1:02:01

the other job. Right. Sang

1:02:04

for George Abbott. Got on the subway,

1:02:06

came home, the phone was ringing, I had the part. The

1:02:10

$50. Yeah. The $1000. Yeah.

1:02:14

George Abbott. Yeah. It's

1:02:18

like, I don't know, I got a little angel here. Yeah,

1:02:20

it seems like it. So

1:02:22

that show was off Broadway at first? It was

1:02:25

off Broadway. And then. And it was

1:02:27

only going to be a six week run because of subscription.

1:02:32

And I had a little bit of Rosalind

1:02:36

Russell in me. I don't know if you know what I

1:02:38

mean. But of making things

1:02:40

happen. I remembered her in a

1:02:42

movie called Front Page. Yeah. And

1:02:45

she grabbed the bull by the horns and I thought,

1:02:47

I'm going to be Rosalind Russell. And

1:02:50

I started a campaign to move

1:02:53

us to another theater. Don't

1:02:55

close us. Yeah. Move us

1:02:57

to Broadway. Oh, you were pushing for that. So

1:03:00

what we did was we

1:03:02

made up signs and we

1:03:04

were in our costumes after we took the

1:03:06

bow. We run out in front

1:03:08

of the theater as the audience is coming out

1:03:10

and the sign would say a house, a house,

1:03:12

our kingdom for a house, find a

1:03:15

house for mattress. And

1:03:17

they moved us to the

1:03:19

Alvin. And we played there

1:03:21

until another show was coming in and they moved us

1:03:23

to the Winter Garden. We played there

1:03:25

until another. And it's like selling out. It's packing

1:03:27

out. Yep. It's the thing to do.

1:03:30

Yeah. And we they put

1:03:32

us to six different theaters in one year.

1:03:34

I remember Neil Simon said, have

1:03:37

you seen mattress yet? Don't worry. It'll

1:03:39

soon be at your neighborhood theater. And

1:03:42

we ran. I left after a year. I

1:03:44

was in it for a whole year. And then

1:03:46

by then I was also doubling with Gary Moore.

1:03:49

We got to Gary Moore variety show. Right. And

1:03:51

did you find theater like over and over again

1:03:54

kind of boring? Yeah, I finally did. I

1:03:56

thought I was going to be a theater person.

1:03:58

Yeah. on a television. We

1:04:01

didn't even have a television, you know, when I

1:04:03

was growing up. And I got the

1:04:06

Gary Moore gig and

1:04:08

I love the idea of being different

1:04:10

characters every week. Sure. Different

1:04:13

songs every week. Yeah. A

1:04:15

different challenge every week. That

1:04:17

became more interesting to me than

1:04:19

having to do the same thing eight

1:04:21

shows a week. Yeah, because like, you

1:04:24

know, you never know an audience and, you know, and it's

1:04:26

just, it's hard to make it

1:04:28

fresh, I would imagine. Well, you have to

1:04:30

remember that even though you've

1:04:32

done it a hundred times, this is the first

1:04:34

time the audience is seeing it. Yeah. So

1:04:37

you really have to gear yourself up for that. Yeah. But

1:04:40

I doubled. Yeah. And- Well,

1:04:43

it must have given you a new life today. Well, I

1:04:45

was young too, and you know. And so that was really

1:04:47

the big TV break, Gary Moore. And you're

1:04:49

doing bit parts here and there? No,

1:04:51

not really, because I was doubling with mattress. Sure.

1:04:54

And you were a regular on Gary Moore? Yeah, and I

1:04:56

won an Emmy. That's amazing. I

1:04:59

won my first Emmy on Gary's

1:05:01

show. So then when do you start doing,

1:05:03

you did the Jack Benny show at some

1:05:05

point? Oh, that was when we moved out

1:05:07

to California. Oh, that happened. So what brings

1:05:09

you to California? I

1:05:11

was married and- Do you do the same

1:05:13

guy? No. New guy? No.

1:05:17

The producer of the Gary Moore show actually. What

1:05:19

was the name? Joe Hamilton. Yeah, Joe Hamilton. So

1:05:21

he was your producer forever. Yeah. Yes.

1:05:24

And so with the Gary Moore show, I was going to leave

1:05:26

the show. Yeah. So the

1:05:29

agent worked out a deal

1:05:32

with CBS. Right. And I

1:05:34

was doing really well. On Gary Moore. And

1:05:36

you're an Emmy winner. Yeah. It's so

1:05:38

funny because when I was a kid, I remember your show, but I remember

1:05:40

Gary Moore was like, what is he, Truth or Consequences? What

1:05:43

was the game show? What's

1:05:45

not, what's my- No, it's one

1:05:47

that- No, it's To Tell the Truth. To Tell the

1:05:49

Truth. Yeah. Right. Okay.

1:05:52

It's interesting, those jobs. Because he was like a variety guy,

1:05:54

funny guy. He was. He was also one of the

1:05:57

kindest. You never hear too many

1:05:59

people say this. But I was the second banana,

1:06:01

which means supporting. And

1:06:03

Durward Kirby was, and he was very

1:06:05

funny. And so we'd

1:06:07

be at a table read on Monday for

1:06:10

Friday's show. And

1:06:12

if Gary had a punch line or a joke or something and he

1:06:14

was, and he said, you know what, give

1:06:16

this line to Carol or give it to Durward, they

1:06:19

can say it funnier than I can. He

1:06:21

was that generous. And

1:06:24

that's what I wanted to

1:06:26

do when I got my show. I wanted

1:06:28

to give it to Harvey. I

1:06:31

wanted to give it to Jim, to Vicki.

1:06:33

We should all score. It's a rep company.

1:06:36

Might have my name on it, but I'll

1:06:38

support Tim in a sketch. Harvey

1:06:41

will support Vicki in a sketch. But it's so funny.

1:06:43

You guys, there's no, like I imagine Gary Moore was

1:06:45

a bit of a straight man, no? Yes. So

1:06:48

like on your show, there wasn't

1:06:50

really a straight man. Maybe Lyle.

1:06:52

Lyle occasionally. But then we

1:06:54

gave him, and he turned out to be

1:06:57

pretty funny at times. So

1:06:59

how did the deal with structure? So he had to deal with CBS.

1:07:02

What happened was the deal with CBS

1:07:04

where I signed a contract for 10 years.

1:07:09

Which would mean I would do one

1:07:11

special a year and

1:07:14

two guest shots. Okay, yeah. One

1:07:16

of those sitcoms or whatever. But

1:07:18

within the first five years, if

1:07:20

I, Carol, wanted to

1:07:22

do an hour long

1:07:25

comedy veranda, a variety show,

1:07:27

all I had to do was push the button and CBS

1:07:29

would have to put it on for 30 shows

1:07:34

within the first five years. And

1:07:36

I thought, well, I

1:07:39

could never be a host. I didn't. Yeah.

1:07:43

So now, Joe and I,

1:07:45

when I have a baby, who

1:07:47

are in California, I'm not

1:07:49

that in demand that much

1:07:52

anymore. And your grandma's still around? Nothing.

1:07:56

No, but she did get to see me in

1:07:58

mattress. Okay. It's the

1:08:00

last week of the fifth year.

1:08:03

And we just put a down payment on a house.

1:08:06

And we look around, we send Joseph, said

1:08:09

maybe we should push that button. Okay,

1:08:13

so Christmas is between Christmas

1:08:15

and New Year's and it

1:08:17

would be over in another

1:08:19

week, right? Just call New

1:08:21

York, talk to one of

1:08:23

the vice presidents, and he said, oh, did

1:08:26

you have a nice Christmas? Yeah, I said,

1:08:28

Mike, I'm calling because I'm gonna push that

1:08:31

button. He said, what button? They

1:08:33

didn't remember. And I said, you know where

1:08:35

I get to do 31 hour

1:08:38

shows, comedy variety? Let

1:08:40

me get back to you. Yes. So

1:08:43

I'm sure they got a lot of

1:08:45

lawyers out of some Christmas parties that

1:08:47

night. Yeah. He called

1:08:49

the next day, he said, yeah, Carol, I see. He said, but

1:08:51

you know, comedy variety

1:08:53

is a man's game. He

1:08:57

says, it's not for you gals. So

1:09:00

who's he talking about, like

1:09:02

Dean Martin? No, Sid Seesom,

1:09:04

Jackie Gleason, Milton Burrell, and

1:09:07

now Dean Martin. And

1:09:09

he said, we've got this sitcom maybe

1:09:11

we'd love you to do called Here's

1:09:13

Agnes. Can

1:09:16

you picture it? Yeah, kinda, yeah. Here's

1:09:18

Agnes. And I said, I don't wanna

1:09:20

be Agnes every week. I wanna be

1:09:23

different people. I wanna have a rep

1:09:25

company. I want guest stars. I want

1:09:27

dances. I want music. They

1:09:30

had to put us on the air. And

1:09:32

who was the original crew? Harvey,

1:09:35

Vicki, and Lyle. And how'd

1:09:37

you find them? Well,

1:09:40

I seen Harvey on the Danny

1:09:42

K show. Yeah. He

1:09:44

was a great second banana. He was

1:09:46

like Carl Reiner was with Sid Caesar.

1:09:49

I still gotta get to Harvey Corp finally. But

1:09:51

Danny's show was going off the air as we

1:09:53

were gonna go on. So I

1:09:57

saw Harvey in the parking lot at CBS. You've

1:10:00

got to be on our show and we worked

1:10:02

it out. So we got Harvey. Carl

1:10:06

Reiner had said, you

1:10:08

ought to get a good looking hunk as

1:10:10

an announcer for you to go crazy over

1:10:12

the times. So

1:10:15

we auditioned. And the live came in. Of

1:10:17

course, you look beautiful. But he

1:10:19

was also funny. Vicki,

1:10:21

this is January

1:10:24

of 1967. We're

1:10:27

going to go on the air in September of

1:10:29

1967. And we

1:10:31

were thinking about doing a sketch

1:10:34

every so often where Harvey and I are a

1:10:36

married couple. And we're

1:10:38

raising my kid sister. Anyway,

1:10:41

I'm at home and I'm

1:10:43

reading fan mail. Open

1:10:46

this letter from this girl, Vicki

1:10:49

Lawrence. It says, everybody

1:10:51

says that I remind them of

1:10:53

a young you and I want to be in

1:10:55

show. It was very sweet. And

1:10:57

then she enclosed a newspaper

1:10:59

article that had her picture in it.

1:11:03

Her hometown newspaper in

1:11:06

Inglewood. She was going

1:11:08

to be in a contest called Miss Fireball

1:11:10

of Inglewood. And so they were

1:11:12

featuring, there were nine other girls. And each

1:11:14

day they were featuring an article on each

1:11:16

one of the girls. So she sent me

1:11:18

her article. And she looked

1:11:20

more like me at 17 than I did. Maybe

1:11:24

she might be good for this role.

1:11:27

So I look at the date. And the

1:11:30

date of the Miss Fireball contest is tonight.

1:11:32

Because they sent it from CBS two

1:11:34

weeks ago or whatever. And the contest

1:11:37

is, I just got the

1:11:39

joke coming downstairs. I said, don't

1:11:42

get too comfortable. We're going to go

1:11:44

see the Miss Fireball contest in Inglewood

1:11:46

tonight. I said, look at

1:11:48

that. He said, well, shouldn't you call her

1:11:50

and tell her? I said, yeah. Her

1:11:53

father's name was listed in the article.

1:11:55

Howard Morris, signed out

1:11:57

information. Got her phone

1:11:59

number. Yeah. Ring

1:12:03

ring. This lady answers, hello.

1:12:06

I said, hi, is Vicki Laura's there?

1:12:08

She said, this is her mother who's

1:12:10

calling. And I said, it's Carol. It's.

1:12:17

Yeah, Vicki gets on the phone

1:12:20

and says, yeah, hi, Marcia. She

1:12:22

thought somebody was putting her right. Right. It's

1:12:25

not Marcia. I got your letter. Would you

1:12:27

be comfortable if we come to see you

1:12:29

tonight? In the contest. Yeah.

1:12:32

Okay. We went. Sorry. She

1:12:34

won the contest. I said, we'll be

1:12:36

in touch. We've gotten hold

1:12:38

of her the following summer. Yeah. She

1:12:41

came and auditioned. Yeah. And that was

1:12:43

it. Today, no network would

1:12:45

let me do that. Yeah. They would

1:12:47

not let you hire somebody right out

1:12:49

of high school that had no experience.

1:12:52

Yeah. But CBS let us

1:12:54

do it. And it took a while,

1:12:56

but she started to just absorb

1:12:59

everything. Harvey took her under

1:13:01

his wing and taught her what to do

1:13:03

with props, how to listen

1:13:05

and how to react. He helped

1:13:08

her with accents. Oh, really? Yeah. It

1:13:11

was a master class. And so she learned her

1:13:13

trade in front of 30 million people every week.

1:13:15

And she was so good. She's great. Yeah. And

1:13:17

here she was going to be a dental hygienist.

1:13:20

Oh, my God. And she did some singing. I

1:13:22

remember we had an eight track. Oh, yeah. Like

1:13:24

that's the night the lights went out in Georgia,

1:13:26

right? That was it. She wants to go record.

1:13:30

Yeah. All right. So now you're off and running with

1:13:32

this show and you got a while. You got Harvey

1:13:35

and you got Vicki. And we would have Tim on

1:13:38

every month. I mean, he had

1:13:40

his own show for a while, a couple

1:13:42

of shows. And it wasn't until our ninth

1:13:44

year that we had him on every week. People

1:13:47

thought he was a regular for the whole time.

1:13:49

Yeah. But we had him on so

1:13:51

many times. It's just too much. I

1:13:55

mean, what was it? How did how did

1:13:57

writing work on the show? We

1:14:00

had all the comedy writers

1:14:02

would get together and... What

1:14:04

was the style? How big? No,

1:14:06

we had maybe six or

1:14:08

seven writers with a head

1:14:10

writer. Then we would have the special

1:14:12

material writers, which was Ken Missy. Sure, for

1:14:14

the music stuff? For the music stuff. Choreographer,

1:14:18

Ernie Flat, who was the choreographer for the

1:14:20

Carrie Moore Show. And

1:14:23

we had... And so I

1:14:25

would sometimes go and say, you

1:14:27

know, because I love doing the movie

1:14:29

take-off. And I said,

1:14:31

could we do Mildred Pierce maybe, you know?

1:14:34

Or Postman always rings twice, some

1:14:37

of the double indemnity. So

1:14:39

they'd get to work and maybe in three weeks

1:14:41

I'd have their Mildred

1:14:44

Pierce, we called it. And we'd do

1:14:46

that, yeah. And lots of times, Harvey

1:14:49

and Vicki and I, we would be rehearsing.

1:14:51

And if we thought of a better line

1:14:53

or something, we'd put it in. We'd have

1:14:55

the writers come down and look at it.

1:14:57

They were so good, they would say, listen,

1:14:59

if you can make it better. They

1:15:01

weren't that into their own

1:15:03

ego. But they

1:15:05

were also working for you, right? They were

1:15:08

very, you know, and then

1:15:10

there were times too when if

1:15:12

I wasn't comfortable with something because

1:15:15

I was a woman. Yeah. She,

1:15:18

Gleason, Jackie Gleason, or Sid Caesar would

1:15:20

say, come on guys, this

1:15:23

sucks. Come on, you got to

1:15:25

fix this or anything. And they would be fine. But

1:15:27

if a woman did that at that time, she

1:15:30

would be a bitch. Right.

1:15:33

So I

1:15:36

would tip-toe and tap dance

1:15:38

around. I'd say, you know, guys, come

1:15:40

on down. I'm not doing this too. Do

1:15:42

you think he can help me out? Right.

1:15:45

Yeah. That was the way I could

1:15:48

get away with and not hurt their feelings. Oh,

1:15:50

that's something. And you were aware of that early

1:15:52

on. Oh, yeah. Did you know Gleason?

1:15:55

Yeah. I met him at a party, couple

1:15:57

of parties at Bob Hope's

1:15:59

house. Oh, yeah. Yeah, did you go did

1:16:01

you know a lot of those guys

1:16:03

all those like the well I had Sid Caesar

1:16:05

on my show I saw that and I was

1:16:08

thrilled because I used to when I was

1:16:10

at the rehearsal club I wouldn't miss.

1:16:12

Yeah, Caesar's hour sure on Saturday

1:16:14

night, right? It's a live 90-minute

1:16:16

show with him Curl,

1:16:19

yeah, Nana February. Oh who you had

1:16:21

on your show. Yeah a lot of

1:16:23

fun. Yeah, yeah funny Yeah And I

1:16:25

just loved his work and that's kind of what

1:16:27

I patterned my show after that and

1:16:29

Gary show To do sketches

1:16:31

and stuff, you know and musical numbers well,

1:16:34

I mean I think it seems like it

1:16:36

was the only one that really like took

1:16:38

the sketches as seriously as The

1:16:40

I didn't you know, you saw bits on other

1:16:42

shows that didn't seem to We

1:16:46

yeah, we would do 15-minute pieces Yeah, you

1:16:49

know and we really got serious at

1:16:51

times with the family. I know yeah And

1:16:55

all and there was one time we

1:16:57

were rehearsing and we decide

1:16:59

I just said to Harvey I

1:17:02

said let's just right now in rehearsal Do

1:17:06

it straight without the accents and

1:17:08

play it straight. Don't change a line It

1:17:11

was devastating to feel the emotion

1:17:13

of it Oh my gosh But then

1:17:15

once we added the spin to it with

1:17:17

the accents and this and that and a

1:17:19

little over the top Then it became funny,

1:17:21

but there were no jokes in it, right?

1:17:24

It was all character driven Well, I

1:17:26

imagine that in particular that recurring sketch

1:17:28

was I think you know somehow or

1:17:30

another for the general public

1:17:32

They must have felt very seen By

1:17:35

the stuff you were doing well a lot

1:17:37

of the mail said It's

1:17:41

it was a dysfunctional family and a lot

1:17:43

of mail I would go say this reminds

1:17:45

me of times with my family.

1:17:47

We'll never do this One

1:17:49

time I was getting a manicure and

1:17:52

she was Russian and she's filing my

1:17:54

nails She said, you know that family you do

1:17:56

I say it's like my family

1:17:58

in Russia It's

1:18:00

worldwide. It's worldwide. It's worldwide.

1:18:04

It's just the emotion

1:18:06

of dysfunction. And what was

1:18:08

funny was we never knew we were going to

1:18:10

do it more than once. So they were going

1:18:12

to have me play mama and get a guest

1:18:14

star to play Eunice. I said, you

1:18:16

know, Eunice speaks to me because it reminded me

1:18:18

of my mother with her dreams

1:18:20

that didn't come through. And

1:18:23

so we were going to hire an older lady to come

1:18:25

in and be mama. Bob Mackey, our

1:18:27

costume designer said, because we think who can

1:18:29

we give it? And

1:18:31

Vicki had grown then

1:18:34

in her comedy. Bob Mackey, our costume

1:18:36

designer said, let's get Vicki

1:18:38

do it. We'll put her in a fat

1:18:40

suit, take her eyelashes off, put

1:18:43

her in a wig. She can be mama. Yeah.

1:18:45

It worked. She was 24 years old. I'm

1:18:48

16 years older than she is. And

1:18:50

I'm playing her daughter. She was

1:18:52

fabulous. Yeah, it's great. It just became

1:18:55

this whole thing. Like because of the

1:18:57

ensemble, it seemed like you really had your

1:18:59

own world there. And outside

1:19:01

of like a lot of what was going on.

1:19:03

Yeah. I mean, I guess how the booking work.

1:19:06

We would just say, you know, I'd love to have

1:19:08

so and so on and invite them and we call.

1:19:10

Yeah. And they'd come. Yeah.

1:19:13

And oh my God, have Betty Greyblen, everybody. Rita Hayworth. Sure.

1:19:17

Lana Turner. Everybody. Bing

1:19:19

Crosby. Yes. I mean, you

1:19:21

got to sing with your heroes. Right. But

1:19:23

we didn't talk about the Julie Andrews thing. I

1:19:25

mean, that the Carnegie Hall. Yeah. Before

1:19:28

you left New York. Right. That

1:19:30

was an interesting pairing that just sort of happened. Well,

1:19:32

she was a guest on the Gary Moore show. Okay.

1:19:35

And you guys met. And yeah. And well, actually

1:19:37

she came to see me in mattress. Okay. And

1:19:40

we some friends said, you got you girls should

1:19:42

get to know each other. I know you'd like

1:19:44

each other. And by then she was

1:19:46

in Camelot. Uh huh. But

1:19:49

she was off that night and she came and

1:19:51

with her manager and a friend

1:19:54

of mine. And afterwards we went

1:19:56

to a Chinese restaurant. Those

1:19:58

poor men had no they could. And we were

1:20:00

like long lost sisters.

1:20:03

And it just clicked. So when she was

1:20:05

on Gary's show, Ken Welch, the

1:20:08

special material writer, wrote a

1:20:10

whole thing about on Big D where

1:20:12

we played Cowboys. And we

1:20:15

did that on Gary's show. And

1:20:17

it's the first time I've ever seen a

1:20:19

television audience give a standing

1:20:21

ovation. So the idea was

1:20:23

born that we should do a

1:20:25

special together. And that's

1:20:27

not Carnegie Hall. And so I

1:20:29

remember Bob Banner, who was the

1:20:32

executive producer of the Carrie Moore Show, tried

1:20:34

to push it to CBS and they didn't

1:20:37

want it. They said, you

1:20:39

know, Carol, everybody

1:20:41

sees you every week and nobody knows

1:20:43

who Julie Andrews is because she hadn't,

1:20:46

outside of My Fair Lady, because she hadn't done

1:20:48

a movie yet. Right. So it

1:20:51

didn't, Dona, now I'm at an

1:20:53

affiliates luncheon with CBS

1:20:56

at a table. And I don't know, I

1:20:58

had quite

1:21:00

a mouth on me. I said, well, you know, if you guys

1:21:02

don't want to do it, we could go over to NBC, at

1:21:05

least they're in color. You know, and

1:21:08

they still want, you know. And

1:21:10

so after the luncheon, it's raining. They

1:21:13

come down and the two vice presidents are saying,

1:21:16

we'll wait and see if you can get a

1:21:18

cab and we'll help you. And I said, don't

1:21:21

worry, I'll be fine. I said, somebody's gonna pull up

1:21:23

and give me a ride. Yeah.

1:21:28

What? Again, a beer truck pulled

1:21:30

up. And the guy leans out

1:21:32

and says, hey, Carol, you want a lift? They

1:21:35

hoisted me up into the cab. The

1:21:37

guy drove me home to Central Park

1:21:40

South. I thanked him so

1:21:42

much, I got out. The

1:21:44

phone is ringing, open the door. It's

1:21:47

Oscar Katz, who was the vice president

1:21:49

of CBS. You

1:21:51

got your show. Because

1:21:54

of the beer truck? Yeah, if somebody

1:21:56

recognized me, it was a whole, and

1:21:58

I said that. There was like. Okay,

1:22:01

we'll son's going on here right? And

1:22:03

we got this as great an algae

1:22:05

get Mike Nicholls is to Gotham unduly

1:22:07

the yeah Julie new I'm better than

1:22:09

I did yeah and she said year

1:22:11

he's very good writer via an Uncanny

1:22:13

with less courses going to all the

1:22:16

special miserable as so go with all

1:22:18

this amazing. How did you ever did

1:22:20

you ever feel like did you ever

1:22:22

have bits of bombed. Or

1:22:24

yeah, Because it's

1:22:26

It's only because of the nature

1:22:28

of the ensemble that none of

1:22:30

you with that that happens as

1:22:32

well. We were doing one sketch

1:22:34

called Mary Worthless and there was

1:22:37

a cartoon called Mary. Worse yet,

1:22:39

only she was as. Kindly.

1:22:42

Old lady who would be entered

1:22:44

people's lives and solve their problems.

1:22:46

Yeah so bizarre. Be funny if

1:22:49

I marry worthless. And I go in and

1:22:51

I'm. Screw everything up right with

1:22:53

as couple years of a difference. Is

1:22:55

this nosy she does every they Roth's

1:22:57

and then at the end I was

1:23:00

sites or was it or I was

1:23:02

supposed set. And that was swept

1:23:04

by did this week. So stay tuned because.

1:23:06

Pretty soon you'll see more of

1:23:08

Mary. Worthless enough. Well.

1:23:11

We did it was off of

1:23:13

he was his audience look like

1:23:15

of. On. Oil painting on the

1:23:17

news and as it is so nothing comes

1:23:19

from nice as soon as much as as

1:23:22

it's ah. I was going to say

1:23:24

to tune in see. But. I am never

1:23:26

going to do this character dance and

1:23:28

that would on the air is Julia

1:23:30

or that saves in doubt the I

1:23:32

know your tried to not laugh at.

1:23:35

Boy know he does It was never

1:23:37

on purpose yeah ever area for time

1:23:39

I would go off script yet and

1:23:41

it was gold. V let him more

1:23:44

Why? Because Harvey Cintron phone so I

1:23:46

and Harvey aged himself. Because

1:23:48

he was very proud of his comedy

1:23:50

chops yes was very serious about yeah

1:23:53

but conway all he added it was

1:23:55

the like a them in a funny

1:23:57

way and Harvey's lot. Of.

1:24:00

added to it. Oh of course. And

1:24:02

you had a pretty good

1:24:04

friendship with Lucy right? Yes. And

1:24:08

did she like how did

1:24:10

that work? Did she see you and realize? She

1:24:12

came to see me in mattress the

1:24:15

second night and I was so nervous she

1:24:18

came backstage she called me

1:24:20

kid because she was 22 years

1:24:22

older. Yeah. And she said a kid

1:24:24

if you ever need me for anything she

1:24:27

was so sweet. Yeah. So like about

1:24:29

four years later I was

1:24:31

gonna do a special. Yeah. And

1:24:33

only if I could get a

1:24:36

big guest star. Uh-huh. So

1:24:39

Bob Banner who was the executive said call Lucy.

1:24:41

Right. And I said I don't want to bother

1:24:43

her you know this is years ago. Sure. All

1:24:45

she can do is say I'd love to but

1:24:47

I'm busy. I got her

1:24:50

on the phone and I said I you're

1:24:52

doing great kid and what is it what's

1:24:54

going on? I was funfering

1:24:56

I said oh you know I'm gonna do but

1:24:58

I know you're busy. She said when do you

1:25:00

want me? Yeah. So we did the special. So

1:25:04

that's how that happened. How funny was that? Oh

1:25:06

she was great. And we did a song

1:25:08

called chutzpah. Yeah. At the end where we

1:25:10

were two cleaning ladies. Yeah. And

1:25:13

Ken Welch and Missy wrote that. Yeah.

1:25:16

So then she did my show as

1:25:19

a guest. She did three of them.

1:25:21

Yeah. So my husband Joe. Yeah. Was

1:25:23

producing our show. Yeah. Okay. And

1:25:26

so Lucy was a guest and

1:25:28

we had a break and we went over to

1:25:30

the farmers market to have a little

1:25:33

bite to eat. Oh right there at CVS. Yeah. To eat before

1:25:37

orchestra rehearsal. So she's

1:25:39

sitting there and she's having a whiskey sour.

1:25:41

It's gonna knock him one back. She's

1:25:43

saying okay it's great you

1:25:46

got Joe to be the producer.

1:25:48

She said because when I was

1:25:50

married to the Cuban. Yeah. Because they were

1:25:52

divorced by then. Yeah. She said does

1:25:55

he he did everything. He took care of

1:25:57

the scripts. He took care of the lighting.

1:26:00

He was the one who invented the

1:26:02

three camera system. And he was everything.

1:26:05

So that when I came in on Monday, everything

1:26:07

was perfect. All I had to do was be

1:26:09

silly, Lucy. Then

1:26:11

we got a divorce. And she said, now I'm going

1:26:14

to be Lucy Carmichael

1:26:16

and do those other... The Lucy Jo. The

1:26:19

Lucy Jo. She says, I go

1:26:21

into... I read the script

1:26:23

and she said, it's terrible.

1:26:26

It stank. There wasn't Desi there

1:26:28

who would have fixed it. She

1:26:30

said, I didn't know what to do. I thought, oh

1:26:32

my God. She

1:26:34

called lunch and she said, I

1:26:36

went into my office

1:26:39

and I said, I've got

1:26:41

to be like Desi. I've got to be

1:26:44

tough. I've got to be... So

1:26:48

I went back and I

1:26:50

told them in no uncertain terms, I channeled

1:26:52

Desi. And

1:26:55

then she said, kids. And she took another drink. She

1:26:57

said, and

1:26:59

that's when they put the S on the end of

1:27:02

my last name. She

1:27:04

seemed tough. Oh,

1:27:09

she was great. She sent me... Oh,

1:27:11

this is sweet. She sent me

1:27:13

flowers on my birthday every year. Happy

1:27:16

birthday, kids. And so

1:27:18

in the morning of my 56th birthday,

1:27:21

I got up, turned

1:27:23

on the news. She died on my

1:27:25

birthday. Oh my God. And I got her

1:27:27

flowers that afternoon. Wow.

1:27:30

That's touching. Yeah. Sad,

1:27:32

but beautiful. You

1:27:36

know, I talked to Paul

1:27:38

Thomas Anderson. Oh yeah. Yeah, a while back.

1:27:41

And I'm driving down here and I realized,

1:27:43

well, his dad was best friends with Tim.

1:27:46

Yeah, Ernie. Yeah, Ernie. So you knew

1:27:48

Ernie. He was on our show a few times. And

1:27:51

at one point after Lyle

1:27:53

left, he was our announcer. Was Paul

1:27:55

Thomas Anderson hanging around? He was a kid? Maybe.

1:28:00

I knew Paulie. Paulie. Yeah, but

1:28:02

even before he was born,

1:28:05

you know, they had five kids,

1:28:07

I think. Wow. Yeah. That's so

1:28:09

funny. Yeah. Yeah. Because his dad,

1:28:11

yeah, he seemed like a character.

1:28:13

Oh, he was. He was a

1:28:15

character. Yeah. He and Tim were

1:28:18

partners back in Cleveland,

1:28:20

Ohio on television. I don't

1:28:22

know. Ernie was, what

1:28:24

was it? Magician. Oh,

1:28:27

Goulardie. The great Goulardie. Right.

1:28:29

Yeah. And in terms

1:28:31

of doing films, I mean, it doesn't, like, did you

1:28:33

like doing it? Certain ones,

1:28:35

yes, I had fun. Yeah. Others,

1:28:38

I didn't. A lot of waiting,

1:28:40

right? Yeah. Yeah. But I loved

1:28:42

working with Bob Altman. Oh,

1:28:44

for The Wedding? Yeah, Wedding and

1:28:46

Health. None of the

1:28:49

films did well, but he was so great to

1:28:51

work for. But Annie was huge,

1:28:53

right? Annie was huge. Yeah. And Houston

1:28:56

was very good. That's an interesting movie for

1:28:58

him, that you got to work with that

1:29:00

guy. Yeah, it was strange. I always thought

1:29:02

that maybe Ray Stark called him

1:29:04

up to play Daddy Warbucks

1:29:07

because John Houston would have been a...

1:29:09

Was it Albert Finney who did it? He did. Yeah. And

1:29:12

I just have a feeling that he said no,

1:29:15

but and then Ray said, well, then will you

1:29:18

direct? I wonder if

1:29:20

that's how it went. Yeah. Yeah. And,

1:29:22

you know, I know that,

1:29:25

you know, your daughter carried

1:29:27

struggle with addiction and stuff. And yeah,

1:29:30

she got sober just

1:29:32

before she turned 18. Oh, wow. Now,

1:29:35

did you do the Al-Anon thing too

1:29:37

or no? Yeah, I did. Yeah. And

1:29:40

but she, and then she became quite

1:29:43

a good actress. Yeah. And she

1:29:46

did a little cult

1:29:48

film called Tokyo Pop, which they've

1:29:50

just reissued. Oh, that's exciting. And

1:29:53

I remember she

1:29:56

got a call from Marlon Brando. Come

1:29:58

on. Yeah. Who? wanted to meet with her

1:30:01

for a project. She turned her down. I

1:30:04

became a stage mother. I said,

1:30:06

are you crazy? She said, mom, I

1:30:08

did the movie. Now I want to concentrate on

1:30:10

writing my music. I want to

1:30:12

concentrate on directing. She had all of that

1:30:15

X-Files was on. And Vince

1:30:17

Gilligan, who later created Breaking

1:30:19

Bad, was a writer

1:30:22

on X-Files. And she was in

1:30:24

an episode that he wrote. And when I got

1:30:27

to know Vince, when you

1:30:29

did Better Call Saul. Well, I

1:30:31

got to know him even before

1:30:33

that. And he said,

1:30:35

Carrie was their favorite guest. Oh,

1:30:38

that's sweet. She was a really good

1:30:40

actress. And they wanted to have her

1:30:42

back. Yeah. So

1:30:45

sad. She got sick. Now,

1:30:48

what was this thing I wrote about you

1:30:50

taking AA to Russia with? Oh, God. Carrie

1:30:52

and I did. Yeah. How does

1:30:54

that happen? How do you decide to take Alcoholics

1:30:56

Anonymous to Russia? There was a man, and I

1:30:59

can't think of his name, whom I admit, who

1:31:01

and I did a movie

1:31:03

called Life of the Party about

1:31:06

a woman, the actress, who

1:31:08

was actually is a true story.

1:31:11

She got the first woman's

1:31:14

home for alcoholic women in

1:31:17

L.A. And she was

1:31:19

an alcoholic, but got sober. And so

1:31:22

I did a movie about her. So I

1:31:24

met him, and he said he had

1:31:27

gone to Russia a few times. And

1:31:29

he said, would you, if we show

1:31:31

that movie in Russia,

1:31:33

would you come? Wow. And

1:31:35

so I took Carrie with me. And

1:31:37

we went because she could talk to the young people. Right.

1:31:40

And we had an interpreter.

1:31:42

Yeah. And they showed that movie

1:31:44

with subtitles, you

1:31:47

know, throughout entire 11

1:31:50

time zones in Russia.

1:31:52

Wow. Yeah. And had

1:31:54

an impact? Mm-hmm. Well, I

1:31:56

don't know if it lasted. Right. You know, but

1:32:00

And they wanted to bring alcoholic Sononas

1:32:03

over there. And so the best way to

1:32:05

introduce it would be... Oh, that's

1:32:07

interesting. Sure. Wow, that's a

1:32:10

whole journey. That was a long time ago. Never

1:32:12

knew what you were going to do. You're going

1:32:14

to do that. Yeah. And now the acting, like,

1:32:16

see, I'm 60 and I'm already tired. So like,

1:32:18

in terms of like working, do you just love

1:32:20

it? Or do you want to stay busy?

1:32:23

Well, only if it's going to be fun.

1:32:26

Yeah. And you had fun on

1:32:28

Better Call Saul? Oh, I loved it. I

1:32:31

loved it. And Odin Kirk and

1:32:33

I and Ray Seahorn,

1:32:35

we're like this. I

1:32:37

meet all kinds of new friends in the past three

1:32:39

years with him and Ray and Saul. And

1:32:44

of course, Vince Gilligan and

1:32:46

Peter Gould, all of them. It was one

1:32:48

of the best experiences I've

1:32:50

ever had. And Glee, that was

1:32:52

great. Yeah. And Blanche. We

1:32:55

see Jane. She lives up here. Oh, she

1:32:57

does? Yeah. I

1:32:59

remember a couple of weeks ago. Mad about you. You

1:33:01

got an Emmy, right? For that? Yeah.

1:33:04

And then now this new one, like I said, I enjoyed

1:33:06

it a lot. It seemed like fun. And these period pieces

1:33:09

are kind of amazing when they're done that well. Yeah.

1:33:12

And I think that the idea for the

1:33:14

rehearsal house as a period piece

1:33:16

would be amazing. I think so, too. Great

1:33:19

talking to you. Thank you. Thank you

1:33:21

for doing it. I'll be with you. It was fun. Okay.

1:33:26

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1:34:51

folks, in 2016 I had a

1:34:53

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1:34:55

Wiig. It's a great talk and you can

1:34:58

listen to it now for free in whatever

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podcast app you're using. It's episode 734. You

1:35:02

were a closet goth

1:35:05

girl? Yeah, I got into it

1:35:07

more after high school. I kind of embraced my,

1:35:10

it wasn't goth so much, but not

1:35:12

conforming to like fashion

1:35:15

and you know coloring my hair and

1:35:17

like piercing. Radical. What'd you

1:35:19

pierce? Well I pierced

1:35:21

my nose and like a few in my ear

1:35:23

and my belly button and my tongue. You did

1:35:25

all that? Yes. And they're all gone now? They're

1:35:28

all gone. I have like a little one up here at the

1:35:30

top of my ear. Actually I got that one in New York

1:35:33

when I was in SNL. Oh so that was a more

1:35:35

recent period? That's a more recent one. No, never

1:35:37

throw the tongue post in?

1:35:39

No, that that closes up after like an

1:35:41

hour. It's like an alien.

1:35:45

Yeah. You're all pierced up but no tats? No,

1:35:47

I had tats. Yeah, I've got three and one

1:35:50

of them I'm in the process of removing and

1:35:52

that's the one I got at that time. Oh

1:35:55

yeah? Where is it? So ugly.

1:35:57

Where do you think? It's

1:35:59

just... On your lower back? Yeah. I

1:36:02

mean, it's not lower on my lower back. I

1:36:04

try to say it's not a tramp stamp. I'm like, it's higher

1:36:06

than a tramp stamp. It's a little higher. Uh-huh. Again,

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