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after

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this episode sneak

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peek at episode 1

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we were chatting and i

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just casually look towards the canal and

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i saw what about was a mannequin

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i thought well, it's near georgetown it's

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probably some kind of returns frank

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walking up to the body with him apparent

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that there had been a search will

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solve made one hundred days that

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was our third murder of a day already

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i didn't know anything was wrong until her mom

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called me on august second

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nineteen ninety eight the body of a brilliant

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scientist was found in a wooded area

0:50

near the campus of georgetown university

0:52

the moment i heard that voice on the intercom

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i broke down crying

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it was a gruesome scene he

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edelman covered in blood in , because

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i was always like hundred getaways getaways

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more than six years dc police had

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no leads no suspects until

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the f b i never called us code is notified

1:12

montgomery notified if there was a match

1:15

but it's announcer police slang

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for a suspect without a name the

1:19

unknown subject dna from

1:21

the murder had been matched with dna

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sounded multiple other crime scenes

1:26

within miles of the city all

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of it linked to just one man

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she was babysitting everything's fine

1:33

when i stood up to walk to the

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doorway he jumps in

1:37

the door with a blanket you know that

1:40

he cut the phone lines he

1:42

had sort of hog tied

1:44

me i guess zuma was twisted

1:46

and bizarre issues years and go

1:48

out the door and here's what out

1:51

this much of works like a war

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spree like a victory screen she

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said it was just chilling as he seizes

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went on the more the victims resistive the more

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while one he became for

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, years the unknown subject lift

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the horrible trail of crimes for police

2:06

to follow and then he

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just stopped stopped

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years go by than twenty was

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he in the wind locked up locked

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and then investigators tried something

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new handling the case to

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a bike cop named smokes something

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called into the office is about five after five

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michael picked up the phone and the

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i guess they told him to turn on the t v

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is you're gonna want to see what's on t v and

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series murdered in a safe place

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he said we sailed sarah

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crandall in the office

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of debt

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to see if she had been murdered and

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i give her scream into the phone screaming

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and to been on a console or

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just member to school in my heart pounding

3:18

i already knew basically

3:21

that someone with seen strangling

3:23

her

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there was no no one caught

3:31

in the hours after suri crandall was found

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raped and strangled insiders small office

3:35

in january of nineteen ninety eight the

3:38

police were trying to get a handle on the investigation

3:42

were they looking for an intruder who

3:44

gained access to the prince george's hospital

3:46

center someone who work there

3:48

or could it have been a patient

3:51

the texas fanned out across the forty acre

3:53

campus looking for witnesses while

3:56

other investigators try to piece together

3:58

a dreadful seen it

4:00

looked like shariat put up a fight desk

4:03

drawers were pulled out and left open items

4:06

including a wristband with a whistle

4:08

attached and one of sherry shoes were

4:10

scattered all over the floor the

4:13

man who found the fifty year old nurse it

4:15

administrator fred reynolds a member

4:18

of the cleaning crew tried to save

4:20

her life by administering cpr

4:23

the juri couldn't be saved the

4:26

mother of three was pronounced dead about

4:28

thirty minutes after she was found

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nothing different

4:33

happens in a murder it's

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all step by step it secure

4:37

the same interview the

4:39

witnesses try to locate and determine

4:42

witnesses and here we gotta hospital full

4:44

of people

4:45

and we know it's a male but

4:49

we still need to interview everybody that's

4:52

there's ugly possible and everybody that

4:54

was work and and we called pretty

4:57

much all see id in to

4:59

secure prince george's hospital

5:02

that's former prince george's county homicide

5:04

commander mike mcquillan

5:06

tons and tons of people were called in not only

5:08

that night that next day the

5:11

day after the day after and

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what we do is says we develop

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witnesses or information we come up with

5:17

to do less and then we start handing

5:20

those to do less out to investigators

5:23

to go out locate witnesses and will you

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the manager or was there are a sergeant

5:27

over saying there's a lot was a

5:29

couple sergeants wanna see

5:32

the time including a sergeant in charge

5:34

of the oven insects we

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are you getting calls from

5:39

politicians asking you what was going on

5:42

i i didn't but

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i know they were being made

5:46

there were there were people of

5:48

power in power in the county that wanted

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to know what was going on what's

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what what's going on in what's do ya doin and

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how long's gonna take the close as crime

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scene technicians work through the night they

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were handing bernie nelson the lead investigator

6:02

in the case pieces of a puzzle the

6:05

, scene had been altered by the effort

6:07

to save series life and

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he was trying to put it back together again

6:12

where

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was told already that she was sounds bound

6:21

and , i dare go down to the emergency room

6:23

after seeing what ahead on

6:25

the scene of at her office office

6:27

they go down to the emergency room to inspector

6:30

her inspector thuds is see

6:32

what we had and we sources and

6:36

she mackey been strangled yet

6:38

since manual strangulation manual

6:40

strangulation is it wasn't a luggage or that was used

6:43

know there was deep bruising

6:45

from hands action been around

6:48

her neck and token around in is

6:50

it your believe that she was raped

6:53

before she was tied up that's

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hard to say it

6:58

it's very possible that she was raped

7:00

prior to being tied up we

7:04

have , to some conclusion

7:07

on on she was she

7:10

and what position see may have been in at been

7:12

time there are some

7:14

knife wounds to her neck

7:18

they work fatal

7:21

wounds they were soft tissue wound

7:23

so does it did appeared

7:25

at the suspect held a nice to

7:27

her neck possibly while he was raping her

7:29

and then upon pudding or on

7:31

the floor forcing her to the floor joked

7:35

around until she was and

7:40

when that happened the

7:44

, who did this to her her

7:47

tighter up with things he found in

7:49

the office the yes

7:51

it it it appears that the suspect was the opportunist

7:54

we don't think the he brought any sane to

7:57

the scene with the

7:59

ideas raping any one or killing

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anyone we believe that is

8:04

may have been have thief who

8:06

may have been rummaging through her office

8:09

when , may have stepped out and

8:11

that she possibly walk back in on the

8:14

subject then he took that opportunity

8:16

to matches steel what he could

8:18

some insider office but also to

8:21

assault her and eventually killed

8:23

it was ensure his office where police found

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their first important clue important fingerprint

8:28

from accord cut off of the intercom

8:30

system accord used to

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help find sharing collecting

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fingerprints and a case like this is

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a process evidence tax

8:40

code everything code everything special powder

8:42

that makes prince visible there

8:45

and crandall sure his oldest son remembers

8:48

going to the hospital in the days after her

8:50

death to help prince george's county

8:52

police identify anything missing

8:54

from his mother's office he has

8:56

vivid memories of the fingerprint dust

8:58

coding everything inside the

9:01

first time with their with the at

9:03

the request of the , to foreign

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was to look and see

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that i thing missing rod missing never walking

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i never hallway the goes to her office

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and from from me to

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ceiling was fingerprint does all the way down

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the whole entire wall or side

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is hallway every doorknob

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had think of our dust on it my

9:23

, our mothers office had fingerprint

9:25

dust all over everything in their computers

9:27

the speakers the keyboard a telephone

9:30

receiver all kinds of stuff stuff

9:32

fingerprint us over everything and

9:34

i'm or the hallway just looking are hauling to seeing you

9:36

know fingerprint us down entire hallway for ceiling

9:39

the hallway was probably you know

9:41

twenty yards long fifteen years long interest

9:44

in a dark powdery fingerprint dust

9:46

up and down the hallway just felt it's feather advancing

9:49

here so advancing can think about all

9:51

the things you touching your office each

9:53

day and the number of fingerprints you leave

9:56

for police narrowing

9:58

in on the fingerprints that dot along

10:00

or don't make sense takes

10:02

time detective nelson says

10:04

the rule is to identify something

10:06

the killer likely had to touch to

10:09

carry out the crime where do try

10:11

to when you go on a sane

10:14

tried to assess the

10:17

route that the suspect took try

10:19

, find things and may have been disturbed

10:21

or could have possibly been touched touched

10:24

the by in

10:26

any just fingerprint as much as you can

10:29

you don't want and get too narrow

10:31

as far as your choices goes of

10:33

what to the process if

10:38

you make a fingerprint hit one something

10:40

new have to be able to say that

10:42

the suspect should have left at

10:45

it , we know from video

10:47

is with if we had a video of the incident

10:51

incident me to do to see actually what the suspect

10:53

touched and the process those areas

10:56

in this case we didn't have a video so

10:58

we had a look at everything that was disturbed

11:00

insider office and process

11:03

all of that to

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see if we can come up with any price

11:07

we noted there was an item in office

11:09

that this such my hair to have handled

11:11

and a fingerprint a fresh

11:13

fingerprint was recover from that now

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forty that doesn't mean that it came from the saw

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spectacles come from anyone that worked

11:20

in office and that's why we went around

11:22

then got , from everyone

11:25

to compare and and eliminate

11:27

from be in this contributor of his fingerprints

11:30

that was done and know hits

11:33

were made so we're still assume and that

11:35

assume may have been the suspect to handle this to

11:37

left at singapore

11:38

investigators immediately put the print on

11:41

file in a regional database known

11:43

as races and in a federal

11:45

database known as atheists but

11:47

there were no initial hits

11:51

the investigation continued inside

11:53

share his office the medical examiner

11:56

was looking for clues on series

11:58

body the some the commander

12:00

like mcquillan it's all

12:03

difficult

12:04

but what we try to do is go

12:07

backwards

12:08

it's one step at a time we

12:11

went so far as the put a camera in the ceiling

12:13

of sherry crandall's office and just take

12:16

pictures

12:18

from

12:19

the

12:20

from there are you from the ceiling when

12:23

you're going through the process of investigating

12:26

a case where would it have been just

12:28

a normal requests

12:30

for a rape kit to be performed

12:32

on her whether you knew whether or not she'd been sexually

12:34

assaulted or not yes and

12:36

, once you did that rape kit

12:39

how soon did you realize that she

12:41

had been raped and that there may have been dna

12:46

well we obviously

12:49

rape kit was done it the medical examiner's

12:51

office i don't remember whether

12:53

there was one done prior

12:55

i don't think so think believe it was all done up

12:58

at the office the office medical examiner in

13:00

baltimore the next day that's

13:04

when the evidence of found in in

13:07

so you knew within twenty four hours that

13:09

you had dna yes

13:11

the dna the police have had since the

13:13

day after the murder came from seem

13:15

and extracted from the rape kits it

13:17

was found by a dna lab technician

13:20

the , genetic footprint was then immediately

13:23

loaded into the state and national

13:25

dna database for comparison

13:27

against other dna profiles profiles

13:31

lab techs would also compare it to some

13:33

libel collected from hundreds

13:35

of men at the hospital the night of share

13:37

his share mother was

13:39

no immediate mass to the fingerprint

13:42

or the dna detectives

13:44

had another potential lead they were

13:46

examining

14:03

hi everyone this is jillian with court

14:05

junkie court junkie is a a true crime

14:07

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and with people close to cases

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14:25

i told

14:27

you about something confidential

14:29

for well over two decades a

14:32

surprising piece of information that

14:34

left me stunned there

14:37

had been a witness to the murder listen

14:39

again to what i left you with at the end of episode

14:42

one it's detective bertie nelson

14:44

the lead investigator in the case describing

14:47

the phone call he got at home the

14:49

night sherry was killed where

14:52

i'd already received in a brief

14:54

synopsis when they first game in a

14:56

call when i was home

14:58

the a clean and person

15:01

founder and office are deceased

15:04

that she was finally pronounce finally emergency room

15:08

then

15:10

that they may have a possible

15:12

a witness that we had to deal

15:14

with

15:16

so i already

15:18

knew basically that

15:20

someone was seen strangling her

15:24

when i first got to go to the same

15:27

so we're to work from there

15:30

for as long as i've been following this case more

15:32

than nineteen years now i never

15:34

knew to members of the housekeeping crew

15:36

had seen sherry working and or office

15:39

between seven fifteen and seven

15:41

thirty that night and , a third

15:43

member the crew had walked in on the attack

15:46

sometime later information

15:48

detective nelson first shared with mates

15:50

when i sat down with them for an interview in

15:53

july twenty twenty in

15:55

previous interviews i'd conducted with detective

15:57

nelson in two thousand and three and again into

15:59

the and fourteen for fox five the

16:02

tv station i was working for the time

16:04

he kept that information to himself

16:07

what's a bit surprising

16:09

about this case is the police were able to keep

16:11

confidential the fact a woman told

16:13

them she walked in on the attack

16:15

and could give investigators a description

16:19

a , that would likely have been a major

16:21

headline in the newspapers at the time or

16:23

the lead story on the evening news she

16:26

told them she told was wearing a white lab

16:29

coat and had a blue stethoscope

16:31

in his pocket a piece of information

16:34

reporters might describe the

16:36

bombshell here's

16:38

what we know the witness

16:40

who walked in on the attack edna brown

16:42

of fifty four year old housekeeper told

16:45

police she didn't know if the person

16:47

was hurting sherry or helping

16:49

her but she said nothing

16:51

until she heard a coworker call

16:53

for help over the two way radios

16:56

care it that's when she finally

16:58

spoke up round described

17:00

a killer is a black male in his forties

17:02

she said he was not wearing a hospital

17:05

identification badge here

17:07

again is detective nelson we

17:10

have no idea how

17:12

long the suspect may have been with

17:14

the victim

17:15

prior to raping her and

17:19

and calendar we

17:22

noted we did have someone who saw

17:24

or heard in the cafeteria purchasing

17:26

it's a soft drink on

17:28

that was found actually on her desk and

17:30

are all since so we noticed he did

17:32

get back to officer with that soft drink

17:37

we did have a witness who

17:40

, actually as he

17:42

observed to assault taken assault

17:45

see indicated this he arrived on that

17:47

floor at about seven thirty

17:49

at night but she can't say she sure because

17:53

he never looked at her per watt but

17:56

she estimate around seven thirty see

17:58

thirty went up on the floor she cleaned

18:00

a couple of bathrooms it

18:03

was and she also sat down

18:05

she said the the rest for about

18:07

fifteen minutes is where she estimated

18:10

so we're getting closer to a possibly

18:13

eight thirty

18:17

you heard to screens from a female

18:21

screams at someone didn't and distress

18:24

so when she went to investigate those screams

18:26

is when she came around and observe

18:28

the mail one is nice

18:31

to the victim side the victim was on

18:33

the floor on her back and

18:36

, mail was had his hands around

18:38

her neck and with and was joking around

18:42

around witness indicated that she didn't

18:44

know if the may or may have been trying to help

18:46

her or was actually assaulting her

18:49

but i'm sure it is she was scared about what she

18:51

was observing and he

18:54

decided to keep it to herself she may have been

18:56

and state of shock i ,

18:58

know we do realize

19:00

that this witness had some

19:03

sort of a mental disability

19:06

ah

19:08

that she kept to herself she didn't say

19:10

anything to anyone until after

19:12

the second plane and person who actually was science

19:14

at an office found

19:17

a victim

19:19

we already deceased

19:21

we wanted to talk to edna brown because

19:23

today to no one has spoken to her about

19:26

the case other than the police

19:28

the public has never heard her recount of that

19:31

night but edna brown passed

19:33

away in march of two thousand and fifteen

19:36

disappointing for sure so my

19:38

never expected to hear from edinburgh that

19:41

in mid december i was stunned when i got

19:44

a call from detective nelson was some astonishing

19:46

news he told me he had

19:48

found had videotape of an interview

19:50

with adnan that had been conducted

19:53

in march of ninety ninety eight and

19:55

he was willing to share it with me for this podcast

19:58

to say i was excited when edna

20:00

had to say about what's she witnessed

20:03

the night sherry was killed would be

20:05

an understatement keep in mind

20:08

the police have never told the public about

20:10

edna brown until now and

20:12

to actually have actually tape with her words

20:14

describing the killer is just

20:16

surreal

20:31

it's a few days after christmas

20:33

and i'm i'm

20:36

, up with detective nelson today

20:38

over at the hospital hospital

20:40

turns out that there was an interview

20:43

with a with because

20:46

the police were trying to see if they could

20:48

hypnotize at know to see if they could get more

20:50

out get her i'm excited to see

20:52

bernie i haven't seen him since july and

20:54

i'm going to catch up with him on where

20:57

he is with the investigation and i'm

21:00

and get this tape from him a

21:02

and here exactly and edna's words

21:05

what she saw that night

21:07

we're gonna was here was in

21:09

july i , over

21:12

here thinking i could get into the

21:14

the health center health see

21:17

if i could see the layout of

21:19

them

21:21

the all prefer we're sure he was killed

21:23

but them because a coven and

21:26

, enough to go inside the this

21:28

is my first time back here if

21:30

, around this instruction

21:34

the

21:35

bernie

21:37

her body area

21:40

ah romance stuff

21:45

ha ha this is fantastic

21:48

this is amazing year visa

21:50

the point where the

21:54

psychiatrists goes in to ask

21:57

tough

21:59

that's when it starts and then she makes her

22:02

farm animals their

22:04

hospitals are supposed to be will save

22:07

lives

22:09

roka now

22:12

he or she saw spoken am listening

22:14

to it or my computer at at off

22:16

is now as speakers of that to ah

22:18

so maybe i your equipment

22:20

may do , better

22:23

job as far as as been able

22:25

to hear fear among you can hear the two

22:27

of us are standing in the siri crandall memory

22:29

garden located just outside the

22:31

hospital and knew that there was a tape

22:33

that existed word just never came

22:36

across as we we have several boxes

22:38

as evidence and and

22:41

statement forms and people work and

22:44

i was looking through

22:46

and came across that and

22:48

it was mixed up with vhs

22:50

tapes that were with the eighty and machines

22:53

that be got from the hospital back

22:55

and ninety ninety eight and

22:57

, was ecstatic when i saw it as

23:00

and fourteen was vhs we didn't have the machine

23:03

so machine mean we went over to our tv studio

23:05

to have them download it a

23:07

d v d to i can watch it and

23:11

it , like hitting the jackpot

23:14

gold mine he was edna

23:16

talking from the grave about what

23:19

took place even do i watch

23:21

the interview last one a monetary when

23:23

it occurred , real time

23:26

it was

23:29

exciting they hear her described was

23:31

he came across in which he saw on at

23:33

night

23:34

in addition to talking about edna bernie

23:36

had a lot of other updates for me this day

23:38

about the case will ,

23:40

back to those later but i

23:43

want to share with you what i saw when i went

23:45

home and watch the tape the

23:47

tax bills and had converted from vhs

23:50

to dvd and so i was able to

23:52

watch it on my computer the

23:55

interview begins with edna brown sitting

23:57

in a high back leather chair up

23:59

against green wall the

24:02

psychiatrists conducting the interview is

24:04

sitting just to her left there's

24:06

a clock just above her head a

24:08

large round electric clock

24:11

the zoo's the time is eleven

24:13

minutes past six the

24:15

fifty four year old appears to be breathing

24:17

heavily and tells the doctor she's

24:19

nervous she's a plus

24:21

size women was short black hair dressed

24:24

in a colored print blouse with a blue

24:26

jackets draped over her shoulders

24:29

she speaks very softly and chooses

24:31

her words carefully for

24:34

the first thirty minutes the psychiatrist

24:37

asks edna questions about her life

24:39

before explaining that he was like to hypnotize

24:42

her in hopes of getting details

24:44

about the attack that may have been

24:46

repressed but when he

24:48

asks if she would like to do with sadness

24:51

shakes her head know then

24:54

asks her to recount what she saw

24:56

on the night of january thirteenth nineteen

24:59

ninety eight keep in

25:01

mind some of what she says is difficult

25:03

to understand do the the quality

25:05

of the recording but i'll walk you

25:07

through us

25:13

hudson's huh

25:18

now

25:22

there

25:44

the out

25:50

yeah

25:52

the and the whole wages paid two

25:54

thousand daughter or

25:57

son and maiden name

25:59

a name

26:05

the for in a demonstrates how the man

26:08

had his hands on series next

26:10

she says she went on of the fourth floor

26:12

at around seven thirty in the evening cleaned

26:14

a few bathrooms before hearing series

26:17

scream twice a

26:19

day

26:25

have you thought

26:28

suddenly america

27:03

the hallway pace is our

27:05

room at forty

27:08

fifty some form of form some of seven

27:10

anyway

27:33

enable name

27:41

i went back home

27:44

oh my god you need

27:46

to vancouver with the example

27:53

more people that cnn many

28:08

he upset me really a thing is now

28:11

a man is hazel hearsay

28:13

the

28:33

then the brown says she wasn't sure what she was saying

28:36

but after about five minutes a voice

28:38

inside her head told her to leave

28:40

the area she told the psychiatry

28:42

the man was in a white lab jacket on

28:45

his knees kneeling next to sherry

28:47

and the side of his face was black

28:50

she , she first thought the man dressed in that

28:52

lab jacket with a stethoscope in his pocket

28:54

was helping sherry but

28:56

realized he wasn't when she heard

28:58

the call for help go out over

29:00

the two way radio

29:03

we will never know how the public or the

29:05

employees at the hospital would have reacted

29:07

to edmunds description of the suspect

29:10

had gone public at the time it would have

29:12

explain why investigators wanted

29:14

dna samples from all

29:16

of the men who worked at the hospital now

29:19

makes sense the witness

29:21

saw a man in a white lab coat

29:23

and a stethoscope assaulting

29:25

siri suggesting the killer

29:28

may have been a person with access to the hospital

29:30

but that's not what happened in

29:33

happened caused controversy that made national

29:35

news although detective

29:37

nelson said they believed at the brown

29:39

story i have now learned they

29:41

kept to themselves because

29:44

of her intellectual disability

29:47

he was slow we

29:49

interviewed her several times some

29:53

aspects of what she described

29:55

changed

29:56

and each interview before the most

29:58

part

29:59

she described seeing a black male in

30:02

his early forties with ,

30:04

were black hair on the side side

30:07

here on here kneeling

30:10

beside her wearing a white hospital jacket

30:13

even had a blue stethoscope tucked

30:15

in the pocket she didn't see a name tag

30:17

which he normally seas or nice

30:19

a or gowns but

30:22

she also described the suspect is possibly wearing

30:24

gloves at the same time we

30:27

interviewed or three times how

30:30

believable is her story

30:34

i do believe that she saw something she

30:37

, deviated from here in a woman

30:40

screaming or lady his house he

30:42

described their see never

30:44

deviate from hand deviate from screaming

30:46

twice she

30:49

never deviated from seen this mail

30:51

in a hospital gown kneeling beside

30:53

her joking around and

30:56

, the first time that he

30:58

that see describe the same she was indicating

31:00

that the victim was actually trying

31:03

to force to suspects hands off

31:05

of her neck neck the second time

31:07

on see indicated that

31:10

she didn't see the victims hands and hands

31:13

so see deviated from

31:15

that but i still believe that she saw

31:17

something otherwise that she have said

31:19

anything

31:22

the

31:23

it was very frustrating based

31:25

on edna browns description investigators

31:27

then comb through hospital records

31:30

to see if any one may matched the

31:32

description she gave detectives and

31:35

very quickly police came up with the

31:37

names of several men they wanted to speak with

31:39

but one really stood

31:41

out and we presented her with

31:43

a photograph of this suspects

31:47

and , she thought up to photograph

31:49

instead of looking straight onto the

31:51

photo like most people would see as

31:53

he turned to photo sideways and

31:55

i asked her what what are you doing and

31:57

she said was saw him from this

32:01

they say what he's photos don't work that way

32:04

you know you after looked straight on to the

32:06

photograph to see if you recognize him

32:09

as he was unable to do that did

32:11

, heart sink at that point point

32:14

but yes to be honest

32:16

with you i wasn't surprised because

32:18

we knew that we were dealing with someone who

32:20

was someone challenged but

32:22

, it was deflating

32:25

when she did was because i knew that

32:27

we we didn't have an eyewitness who

32:29

can didn't identify who the

32:32

perpetrators were you able to

32:34

eventually rule that suspect

32:36

out ah yes we

32:38

wrote that suspect out through

32:40

and ah yes and also through dna

32:43

test surely montague series

32:45

secretary who believes she was

32:47

one of the last people to see syria live

32:50

also , edna as

32:52

slow i've heard the story before

32:54

that she was mentally challenged had

32:58

how challenge was she when challenge said she

33:00

was see wasn't the

33:05

teller some like three times homicide

33:08

commander mike mcquillan also described

33:10

edna brown using the word slow

33:14

did you talk to her i did not

33:17

see this as this as of what

33:19

she was like only came from your investigators

33:22

right and what did they say she

33:25

was slow it's difficult

33:27

interview there were not

33:29

sure that she's completely sure

33:33

of what she saw the

33:36

i don't remember whether they what

33:38

the answer was but one of the questions i had

33:41

was did she see sherry earlier

33:43

on in the evening and

33:45

, don't remember what that response was

33:48

i don't think she did i think

33:50

the first time she came in contact

33:53

with sherry that day was

33:56

that evening when she heard some cries

33:59

for help

34:01

she came down the hall to her office

34:03

and sound what she found out

34:05

was a , male

34:07

with dark hair

34:11

on the sides and gray hair on the top wearing

34:13

a white lab coat and us stethoscope

34:15

in in his

34:18

pocket enlist in the lab coat pocket

34:21

after the witness walked away from sure his office

34:23

and kept what she had seen to herself police

34:25

, approximately thirty to forty five minutes

34:28

went by before fred reynolds

34:30

the other member of the cleaning crew open the door

34:33

and saw sherry unconscious on

34:35

the floor while winners

34:37

a clean and person found her

34:41

he amelie called for help

34:43

he knew that it

34:45

was an added a , who died

34:48

from natural causes for for say he

34:50

can tell that this person was

34:52

attacked attacked he merely

34:55

called for help and started to administer

34:57

cpr cpr assume

34:59

after verifying that see no longer

35:01

had a had and

35:03

it wasn't long there after that emergency

35:06

personnel from the emergency room arrived

35:08

to assist in cpr rush about

35:10

it emerged in did this

35:13

doctors where the people

35:15

that arrived to give first day to

35:17

day detector a small or

35:21

the polls and all know we have

35:23

no indication that they detected

35:26

any , of life life

35:29

this however their , member

35:32

so , wanted to exhaust

35:34

any means possible in order to revive

35:37

her belief

35:39

that he was pronounced twenty to thirty minutes

35:41

after she was found in our office

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36:15

the family health centers in the hospitals

36:17

main building in a section that normally

36:20

closes at around five pm

36:23

the ways to get they are included a stairway

36:25

an elevator from the lobby or you

36:28

could come in through an entrance connected to the parking

36:30

garage surely montague

36:32

sherry secretary says it was easy to

36:34

get onto the fourth floor and inside

36:37

the office oh yes it was easy

36:41

from where the parking lot of the parking

36:43

garage surely says it was also

36:45

easy to get onto the fourth floor from the main

36:47

entrance of the hospital the you dislike

36:51

the elevators and

36:53

stewart and

36:54

the first

36:55

i either

36:57

you could walk in from

36:59

the own a fourth floor from

37:02

pocket

37:04

so it was easy yes

37:07

so if it was easy to get in a it was

37:09

also easy to get out

37:12

one thing surely didn't mention that some

37:14

others have is that visitors coming

37:16

from the parking garage had to walk down a long

37:19

hallway in order to access the family

37:21

health center which some have said

37:23

made it seem remote we

37:26

don't have a floor plan to compare against

37:28

what surely and others have told us about

37:30

the layout of the fourth floor but here's

37:32

what we know the floors main

37:35

corridors circles the building with

37:37

doors leading to three ambulatory

37:39

centers a medical library

37:41

and the clinic where sherry was the administrator

37:44

like many medical offices when you

37:47

open the door to the family health center you

37:49

immediately stepped into it's waiting room

37:52

from their doors lead to examination

37:54

rooms and other offices sure

37:57

his office was off accord or restricted

37:59

there

38:01

it was small with just a desk

38:03

a few chairs and some filing cabinet

38:06

the desk was a computer and frame

38:08

photos of her three children there

38:10

was also a fund raiser box

38:12

containing candy bars staffers

38:15

with a sweet tooth could take one and

38:17

leave cash for the latest cause

38:19

siri was collecting for remember

38:23

earlier when i told you about a number of items

38:25

that were found on the floor and side series office

38:28

one of them was a wristband with a whistle

38:30

attached no

38:32

one seems to know anything about

38:35

i only noticed the whistle while looking again

38:37

at crime scene photos and i am series

38:40

daughter tiffany about i

38:42

also as surely montague but if

38:44

sherry had begun wearing it because she

38:46

was concerned for her own safety see

38:49

never mentioned it to her family

38:52

your coworkers here's

38:54

why it's intriguing three

38:56

weeks before sherry was killed there had been

38:58

a burglary inside the family health center

39:01

sherry secretary surely montague saw

39:03

a man stealing a television from the waiting

39:06

room and called security that

39:08

as she waited in our office behind a

39:10

locked door she said it took them a

39:12

long time to arrive surely

39:16

says she first heard the thief

39:18

before taking a peek out of or office

39:20

the see what was going on the

39:23

only one their that evening i

39:26

could hear some baldwin

39:28

in something out in the hallway

39:30

so open the door

39:33

then there was this guy taken a t v

39:36

after wall

39:38

so it made me so nervous and

39:40

he said he was taken

39:42

a t v off the wall

39:46

because it needs to be repaired

39:48

as said okay and that goes into i knew he was steel

39:51

and but i wasn't gonna say anything

39:53

else the tv was

39:55

in the lobby for the patients

39:58

who were waiting to be seen by the die

39:59

there's to , of

40:02

view view , so

40:05

after i didn't hear in

40:08

any salary any anna

40:12

no sound at all out there i

40:15

call securities

40:17

and it took them

40:19

oh god oh thirty and forty minutes

40:22

to get

40:22

there that evening

40:25

and wow that z on usual

40:27

them to take that long i'd never have

40:29

had to call dibs so i don't

40:33

so you're waiting your you are

40:35

afraid to go back into the waiting area because

40:37

afraid to come out of my

40:40

office but i disclose the dough

40:42

and set back at the desk and costs and

40:45

it took them like and thirty four this

40:47

forty minutes almost allow it to give

40:49

the

40:49

here again is detective nelson

40:53

we were aware of a number assessed

40:55

that took place in a hospital we would definitely

40:57

made aware of that incident in

40:59

which a television was stolen as a few weeks

41:01

before she was murdered

41:03

though

41:05

we found out that the hospital had a lot

41:07

of people going in and out that certain have

41:09

been in hospital homeless people

41:13

there were some doors and sound and

41:15

the hospital entry doors to stairwells

41:18

that had tape over

41:20

the last years so that they don't completely

41:22

lock so

41:24

you're a number of things that are led

41:27

us to believe that this

41:29

could have easily been someone who came in

41:31

to steal again and could have been

41:33

the same person who stole the television before

41:36

since you're successful when i look for

41:39

something notes that you get to the

41:41

we looked at it and eyes my fact i have

41:43

to email that she said sit

41:46

, front of me and which

41:48

sorry crandall actually almost

41:51

predicted her demise and this

41:53

email you have a read their yes and

41:56

actually read year old it rid of form well

42:00

first of all she's complaining about the

42:02

incident with miss montague

42:05

are finding someone to the omen a television

42:07

but the main thing at the end where

42:09

she's complaining about the response time

42:12

from security to miss monarchies

42:15

a call to security about this mail

42:17

it took about thirty minute that

42:19

ended email sherry crandall said crandall said

42:21

not satisfied with the response and

42:24

repeated access i

42:26

want to go on record and voice must fear

42:29

that the next incident may involve a

42:31

personal assault this

42:33

was too close please

42:35

advise me of your plans or halt these

42:37

felonies and your response

42:40

to the above thirty minute delay to

42:42

what was clearly a potentially

42:44

dangerous situation

42:47

so miss crandall predicted

42:49

that

42:50

something environment may end up happening

42:52

if you can that curtail

42:55

these deaths from taken place how

42:57

long before you learned about that email

43:00

we receive this information within

43:02

a day or two the u series

43:04

daughter tiffany what she knew

43:06

about that know

43:10

email is incredible number

43:13

, because it was so close to the

43:15

time of her death and mean it was within a month

43:18

and because she did

43:20

ask for help and she did say i

43:24

fear that this could lead the personal

43:26

harm and the utmost

43:28

personal harm have heard so

43:32

it really is incredible that we

43:33

that piece of paper that he

43:35

or she sent an email saying

43:39

i have an employee and

43:42

the called for health thirty minutes go by

43:44

and nobody com and

43:47

, when somebody comes there's a tv

43:49

missing out the waiting room room

43:52

there's and das in the back authors

43:54

and it's not okay and you

43:57

know she copied quite a few people

43:59

on

44:03

everyone here on notice and i want

44:05

to go

44:05

record

44:06

i don't know if she upset people by

44:09

sending that email or if a truly was

44:11

just an ominous

44:12

coincidence

44:14

shortly thereafter

44:19

he did you go through your mind that perhaps

44:21

she had angered someone there and

44:24

earth as it's extreme

44:26

that is it was sort of payback

44:28

he did i went through my mind

44:31

no i think over the years and especially early

44:33

on we really had to lie you

44:35

know again remembering how young we were

44:38

fine people trained to do

44:40

their job that is active had

44:42

their

44:43

very leave

44:46

their

44:49

of a backpack and that they

44:52

really were doing everything in their power and monday

44:55

may have this theory and next day and might be

44:57

a different theory that that they're

44:59

trained and they're gonna do their

45:01

job and we really put our faith in

45:03

enough

45:04

we know pretty much everything

45:07

happened in the office but

45:10

yasir gotta take into account what might have happened

45:12

prior to go on in the office

45:14

and we don't to this

45:16

day this still don't know

45:19

well as she may have walked in on somebody

45:21

in our office i don't know whether someone

45:23

took her into our office i

45:25

don't know whether she was in their working at her desk

45:30

and somebody came in on

45:41

one

45:43

detectors did fine when they started asking

45:45

more questions was a hospital

45:47

building riddled with security issues

45:50

when detectives began looking around the sprawling

45:53

campus they found doors unlocked

45:55

with tape covering last bolts

45:57

they also found dummy surveillance

46:00

the woman who built

46:02

the look like the real thing they

46:04

also found a workable surveillance

46:06

camera on the fourth floor that

46:08

may have captured someone coming

46:10

or going but when police examined

46:14

they discovered there was no tape

46:16

in the recorder

46:19

it's been twenty three years and series

46:21

murdered in in those twenty three years

46:24

neither the fingerprint nor the dna

46:27

have gotten a sit in any local

46:29

or federal law enforcement database

46:32

the few words hear about the killers genetic footprint

46:35

over the years it's been compared repeatedly

46:38

against hundreds of possible suspects without

46:40

success and when that didn't pan

46:42

out it was entered into the f b eyes coldest

46:45

database to see if a mask

46:47

could be found in the universe of convicted

46:49

criminals who have had to by

46:51

law give up their dna potus

46:55

began with a handful of states and nineteen

46:57

eighty four and then with all fifty

46:59

states in october of nineteen ninety eight

47:02

ten months after share he's death

47:05

the killers dna is also been compared

47:07

against thousands of dna samples

47:10

like blood saliva and hair

47:12

taken from crime scenes nationwide

47:15

in which investigators are still looking

47:17

for suspects oh this

47:20

is an acronym for combined dna

47:22

index system which holds dna

47:25

profiles from every dna

47:27

data back in all fifty states

47:29

the district of columbia and porto rico

47:33

it's been a remarkable tool for law

47:35

enforcement connecting suspects to crimes

47:37

that otherwise may never have

47:39

been song according to the f

47:42

b i code us now contains more

47:44

than fourteen million offender profiles

47:47

and four million arrest d profiles

47:50

as of september twenty twenty code

47:52

is produced over five hundred and

47:54

thirty three thousand two hundred

47:56

and eighty eight hits or matches

47:59

assisting more than five hundred and

48:01

twenty one thousand five hundred

48:03

and sixty two investigations that's

48:06

over a half a million matches in criminal

48:08

cases nationwide yet

48:11

coders has produced no leads

48:13

in the murder of sherry grand

48:17

i know you've heard quite a lot about the crime and very

48:19

little about sharing i can tell you this

48:21

she was adored by the people she

48:23

supervised and cherished

48:25

by her three children the

48:27

attorney who was in her early twenties when her

48:29

mom was killed described it this way

48:32

she said my mom grew up in

48:34

rural maine where she was the captain

48:36

of the cheerleaders active and student

48:38

government and play basketball she

48:41

had soft brown curls

48:43

and rare green eyes she

48:45

loved to sing and was in the main

48:47

all state choir then

48:50

he says she and her brother's fondly remember hearing

48:52

their mothers singing and church on sundays

48:55

if it he said her personality can only

48:57

be described as sparkling a

49:00

part of part distinctive character that

49:02

drew people in he had a gentle

49:04

manner and an infectious laugh

49:06

always giving even over

49:08

the needs of or own in

49:11

a newsletter published by the hospital in

49:13

the days after the murder karen

49:15

o'neill a woman who described

49:17

herself as a confident and friend

49:19

of series had nothing but a few

49:21

says praise for the supervisor everyone

49:24

seemed to love he said

49:26

the remade each person feel important

49:29

wanted needed and good

49:31

about themselves he

49:33

risked caring about every person she met

49:36

this and status gender

49:38

and race never mattered she

49:40

helped us laugh cry and gave us plenty

49:43

of opportunity for personal improved

49:45

national growth surely

49:48

montague got to know sherry quite well

49:50

in the years they work together in the family health

49:52

center surely worked is

49:54

sherry secretary and is now retired

49:57

as we sat on her back patio

49:59

the spring and twenty twenty i as

50:02

shirley how she would describe her boss

50:06

i heard children were nice

50:09

he was nice

50:11

that's it i mean she was there

50:13

every day five days a week then

50:16

i was there five days a week

50:18

and this ever l of the nurses

50:21

the nurses' aides

50:23

we're very fond of her sousa's

50:26

, happy go to lunch

50:28

with us downstairs in the cafeteria

50:30

some of the of service they wouldn't

50:32

do that they would this it supervisor

50:34

supervisor buzzer was different she

50:37

would mingle with her with

50:40

and enjoy the conversation

50:43

that employees were have it she

50:45

loved it children sea

50:48

grill in children to tilt sir

50:50

loved everybody who says

50:52

that nice person when i read

50:54

some other things about her over the years

50:58

mercedes she had

51:00

a big last that right

51:03

yes he did it

51:06

, carla loud one one

51:09

loud it was different

51:12

the she was have is she was she seemed

51:14

to be

51:15

happy all the time

51:17

and if you heard that laugh somewhere in

51:19

the office you knew something was good right

51:21

you can hear way that the whole of

51:23

dubs yes

51:25

but sure he had no enemies none

51:27

that investigators have been able to find the

51:30

killer have been the man scene stealing

51:32

the tv a burglary so

51:35

brazen and easy he came back

51:37

for more unlikely

51:39

say police the descriptions of

51:41

the to were very different

51:43

the time of her death sherry was going through

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a divorce for their husband john they

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were not living together still john

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crandall rushed to the hospital with

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his son luke the night sherry was killed

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the was interviewed by police gave up

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his dna and was cool down

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as a suspect the

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on crandall passed away in two

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thousand eight

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coming up in episode three

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with no hits on the dna or fingerprints

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police begin asking hundreds of hospital

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workers for their dna the

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, the people that we represented

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represented have fear that the killer hadn't been caught

52:25

they had fear that their jobs were in danger

52:27

and they ring personally insulted we did

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have to go to the hospital to find these people

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october fourth wherever you get your

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podcasts you saw

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the second ninety ninety eight the

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sunday in the summertime when

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the pace of washington slows a bit congress

54:39

goes on vacation schools and colleges

54:42

are on summer break and

54:44

interns have descended on the city for a

54:46

few months that summer

54:48

there's one story everyone

54:50

seems to be talking about as

54:53

you know in a deposition in

54:55

january in was ask questions about my

54:57

relationship with monica lewinsky the

55:00

real world addressing the nation the day

55:03

the testified before the grand jury that

55:06

point i independent counsel ken starr

55:08

was still investigating clinton is

55:11

report wouldn't come out until september it

55:13

was the biggest presidential scandals

55:15

since watergate but this podcast

55:18

susan about monica lewinsky blitz

55:20

about another intern who came to d

55:22

c and ninety ninety eight twenty

55:25

eight year old christine resign he

55:28

didn't come to washington to work in the white house

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christine , a scientist by

55:33

all accounts brilliant brilliant

55:35

had studied cell biology at yale

55:37

an earlier that springs she completed

55:39

her phd in biochemistry

55:42

at the university of california san francisco

55:45

the was it a very end it was a was a summer

55:48

intern at the national academy of sciences

55:50

she has spent the summer there are that was

55:53

of it was at the only time in our relationship

55:55

where we were separated i'm

55:57

i was still finishing up my phd

55:59

you see yourself that's david hackers christine's

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husband at the time he , planning

56:04

to join her in d c after he

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finished his phd phd

56:09

lined up a postdoc opportunity at

56:11

the national institutes of health in the fall

56:14

in nearby bethesda maryland said

56:16

during that summer and i was kind of packing up

56:18

the house cause we're going to we had found an

56:20

found that we have been eleven

56:22

and woodley parts is in

56:24

dc you are and so she

56:26

had done a an internship as he cheek

56:29

she got this very very prestigious

56:32

additional internship that she had not yet

56:35

started on from the aaa

56:37

from aaa as american association for the advancement

56:39

of science aware she was going

56:41

to work on in the

56:43

senate for senate senator basically

56:46

who can have learned how to do

56:49

what what what her passion was was was

56:51

to physically work on science

56:53

policy

56:54

so any she had not yet started that but

56:56

she won that scholarship and

56:59

that's why it's true so excited

57:01

about going into that area that

57:03

see

57:04

managed to she also managed to get a

57:07

summer intern before to kind

57:09

of get ready you know

57:11

the even and christie were still newlyweds

57:14

that summer her internship in

57:16

d c was the first time they were separated

57:18

since they'd met in the university library

57:21

at you csf the had

57:23

doubts about are going to dc without him

57:25

book christine at a sense of mission he

57:27

was passionate about using science

57:29

to solve the national and political

57:31

problems facing the country and

57:34

see thought getting the dc early

57:36

wouldn't help her make connections christine

57:39

grew up in newport beach california she'd

57:41

been born in iran but when she was

57:43

a child her parents fled the

57:45

country with her and her sister

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after the shah was deposed in the nineteen

57:50

seventy nine revolution later

57:53

her parents moved to vancouver canada yale

57:57

grad school and now her summer in d

57:59

c christine had

58:01

a routine

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on sunday she always

58:11

called her mom okay was just like

58:13

or once a week color mom in the morning

58:15

and so i didn't know anything was wrong

58:18

until her mom called me and

58:20

said oh i can't i think it in touch with procedures

58:22

on answering her phone you know

58:25

have you heard from her

58:27

and i did i will talk the day before

58:30

so , say only i talked to yesterday

58:33

and done and i if i

58:35

thought that it would be sheath i'm

58:37

certain you know i didn't think there was anything

58:39

wrong as at all she's probably just didn't

58:41

dumb forgot to call you back or whatever

58:43

but it was unusual because it was such

58:45

a consistent thing that she did db

58:48

to talk to christine the night before she

58:50

was staying in a dorm on the georgetown campus

58:53

nibbles hall that thirty fifth the know streets

58:56

streets the time they talked she was heading over

58:58

to a friend's house nearby for a cookout

59:01

with other interns from the from

59:04

david didn't know the interns very well

59:06

he had only been to dc wants actually

59:09

just a week or two before that sunday she

59:12

showed him her dorm room they went out to

59:14

eat went to eat movie david

59:16

remembers it was good will hunting

59:19

after the call from christine's mom david

59:22

try to reach his wife that are dorm room personal

59:25

, phones weren't all that common at the

59:27

time as the day one the

59:29

day just didn't feel right

59:37

this was sunday during that day

59:39

i started

59:41

the

59:43

trying to get in touch with her i would call her

59:45

leave messages i called her

59:47

i figured out how to call her roommate and

59:50

, asked her roommate weather

59:53

or sweet major whenever a whether

59:55

he it as she had seen interest

59:57

seen as she had as she hadn't seen

1:00:00

but she didn't know for sure that she was not there

1:00:04

and i'm basically over the day

1:00:06

i kept calling and calling then

1:00:09

i i got to the point where i just could not believe

1:00:12

that this was just so out of character for

1:00:14

christine or that i didn't believe

1:00:16

that believe thought i thought there must be something wrong

1:00:19

and so basically

1:00:22

the

1:00:24

i decided s

1:00:26

and canada towards the towards night because

1:00:28

i'm a big physically guts to the point where it was

1:00:30

night in the east coast and i was in census courses

1:00:33

a three hour difference of ,

1:00:35

i thought okay she's not been home and it's nighttime

1:00:37

i mean it's impossible so i called

1:00:40

the first thing first did was did called

1:00:42

the

1:00:45

the campus the your

1:00:48

son campus police and i reported

1:00:50

her missing at that point and

1:00:53

i get him some information and

1:00:56

i didn't call the dc police

1:00:59

and then i booked a an airplane

1:01:02

to fly there fly there morning

1:01:06

and i didn't want to call other

1:01:09

people because i was afraid that i be waking

1:01:11

them up and was really late though

1:01:13

in the morning i took a cab to

1:01:15

the airport i called

1:01:17

my mom basically

1:01:20

i told her can you call these

1:01:22

people including bruce albert's just

1:01:24

call them and see if you

1:01:26

can track down what

1:01:28

, happening with grossing i going to be on the flight so i

1:01:30

won't build a call while i'm on the airplane bruce

1:01:32

albert was the head of the national academies

1:01:35

pristine have once been as graduate student

1:01:37

and he was instrumental he

1:01:39

was herb the fellowship and i jumped

1:01:41

on the airplane

1:01:43

and the

1:01:46

you know the whatever three four hours

1:01:48

it or whatever so i when i landed

1:01:50

on the

1:01:52

eric harm on the airplane statistically

1:01:54

said david hackers sir please

1:01:57

see somebody that

1:01:59

is gonna that you acting as the gate

1:02:01

please see the person or whatever

1:02:04

and it turned out to be the dc police

1:02:09

david as a scientist to you

1:02:12

can hear how methodical logical

1:02:14

years when dealing with dealing moment that would

1:02:16

send most people into a panic for

1:02:19

david the voice on the intercom was the

1:02:21

moment the terrible reality the

1:02:24

at home i was really worried

1:02:26

obviously obviously

1:02:28

i

1:02:29

but i felt like there was a good chance

1:02:31

that this was just some sort of you

1:02:33

know nothing bad happened

1:02:36

and

1:02:37

i ended up you know flying

1:02:39

all the way across country for no good

1:02:41

reason right obviously i flew

1:02:44

across the country so obviously so obviously pretty words

1:02:47

that the

1:02:49

the moment i heard that voice on the intercom

1:02:52

hi

1:02:54

broke down crying because

1:02:57

i i fitted to me that meant

1:03:00

that okay something really bad

1:03:02

does happen and

1:03:07

and then i exited the airplane

1:03:09

than the dc police were there to meet

1:03:11

me at , gate gate

1:03:14

took me into the united airlines

1:03:16

red carpet room and that's when they when

1:03:18

they told they that

1:03:20

die christine had been

1:03:22

that they think that they had found the bodies found christine

1:03:27

police told david christine's body

1:03:29

had been found the day before the

1:03:31

day she before call home

1:03:34

she was found nearly naked in a wooded

1:03:36

area of a busy street called

1:03:38

canal road just yards

1:03:40

away from the gates of georgetown campus

1:03:43

there was evidence she had been sexually assaulted

1:03:47

she had been beaten with a massive rock

1:03:49

found near her body it

1:03:51

appeared to the police the christine was walking

1:03:54

alone a long canal road

1:03:56

the night she left the barbecue when

1:03:58

or killer came from mind and

1:04:01

dragged or into the woods

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ron paul wagner and this is unknown

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