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Warning this podcast he'd spoilers for Star

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Wars Rebels kind of, as well

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as a discussion of lots of horror, sci fi,

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fantasy, book shows, movies, and more.

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Hello. My name is Jason

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Vitepsion and I'm Eersey Night, and

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welcome for the final time to x

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ray Vision, the Cricket Media podcast where we

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dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics,

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and pop culture for.

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One last time. In this episode, ride

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one last Ride in the air. Look, it's

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a giant mail bag where we're clearing

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out the mailbag of all the best

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questions you guys have sent that we haven't been able to

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answer and a few new ones that you sent

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to and in nerd out. This is a great

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final nerd

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out for this iteration of the pod. Someone who's

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been so important to our pod, to our disco community

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is h the co host of the Escape

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Hatch podcast formerly known as June Pod,

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and he's gonna be nerding out about something really

1:08

special coming up.

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Mailbag. First

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question from JM what

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are some of your favorite image

1:34

or other independent comics. Have

1:36

either of you read The Department of Truth by James Tinian

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four. I have read that very

1:42

good Rosie.

1:42

Any thoughts my favorite

1:44

image comics, man, there are so many, definitely

1:47

for me. I mean, obviously we talk a lot about the

1:49

big ones like Saga, you know, stuff

1:51

like that. I am very I

1:54

have a very big soft spot in my heart for The

1:56

Wicked and the Divine by

1:58

Jamie Mcalvey and Karen Gill colors

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by Matt Wilson. Like that is a book

2:03

that was very much a

2:05

huge part of my comic book experience when I

2:07

was working in the comic shop. It was something

2:09

when I was really getting back into comics after Young

2:11

Avengers. So I always send

2:14

people that way. I will also just say

2:16

like I'm no surprises to anyone, but I love Spawn.

2:18

I'm like, if you haven't checked out Spawn, just read Spornow.

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Like I love Tom MacFarlane, the Todd

2:24

Father, you know. I feel like he's grown into

2:26

a great kind of uncle of comics over the

2:28

years. There was a great video recently on

2:30

Wired that was like a him

2:33

answering questions about making comics that kind of enamored

2:35

me to look back at Spawn again. So I would

2:37

say, like, especially those first kind of eleven issues,

2:40

it's really just good stuff. And

2:42

also Ultimate wife Guy comic because he basically

2:45

like he literally was like what would hell be? And

2:47

he would be like hell would be for me that I couldn't see

2:49

my wife again? And I just I love the energy.

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So what about you? What are some of your favorite.

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Am Well, first, let me speak

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on the Department of Truth, which is a fantastic,

2:58

so good, prescient and

3:02

very artistically like genre

3:04

pushing book that to

3:08

be one honest, I can't

3:10

I have to read one issue basically

3:12

a week because it melts my brain

3:14

too much and gives me a headache. But I love that book.

3:17

I would say, here's a here's a wreck that I got

3:20

from Zig Lately that I love, a power

3:22

bomb. Oh, it's so good, just a one an

3:24

Eisner Award, just one an Eiser Award,

3:27

seven issues.

3:28

Yeah, Daniel Warren Johnson just a total powerhouse

3:31

in the comics industry. Just absolutely unbelievable.

3:34

And so the idea is, you

3:37

know, it's this dimension where

3:39

everyone's a professional wrestler and they don't know that

3:42

in this world, professional wrestlings fake. It's super

3:44

fun, just wonderful.

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The art is wonderful, funny

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and fast moving. Loved it.

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Yeah, it's great stuff. There's so many good image

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comics. So just go go to your comic shop and

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ask them to show you all the image trades. They're very

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affordable, great place to jump on.

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This was a good question, love image comics.

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Next question?

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With so much good stuff out there, this is

4:06

a good soundtrack for this. Sometimes I go through

4:08

periods of time where I find it hard to decide

4:11

what to watch next. Sergio says,

4:13

I feel like whatever I decide to watch, there's

4:16

something better I could be watching. Since

4:18

I recently went through this, my question

4:20

is for you. Do you ever feel the same way?

4:22

And do you have your own ways to get around it?

4:24

So?

4:24

Do you ever get overwhelmed by the amount of great stuff

4:26

out there to choose?

4:28

I do? I deal

4:30

with it in different ways. So with TV, I'm

4:32

a completionist. If I start, I'll

4:34

finish it even if it sucks and I don't

4:36

like it, just because I find

4:38

it useful to articulate why I don't like the

4:40

thing and be like, do I have they changed?

4:43

Have they changed my mind? They? Did? They?

4:45

Did they win me over? Or did they not? With

4:48

books, if I am

4:50

not in like after the first

4:53

fifty pages, then I'm just gonna

4:55

move.

4:55

On to That's something I've learned how to do this year

4:57

with books because I used to always have to finish. I

5:00

was like, wait a minute, I could be reading a great book or rereading

5:02

something.

5:03

There's just so many books. There's literally like

5:05

five centuries of books.

5:07

Yeah, there's like so many more books than you could ever even

5:09

combrand to read in your life.

5:11

So that with those, I think the last

5:13

book that I read that I

5:15

like pushed through to read that I

5:17

hated for the first like one hundred pages

5:20

was The

5:23

Children of Men, the original, the book

5:25

version ofren Men, which is significantly different

5:27

than the movie, which is obviously which

5:30

is my favorite movie maybe ever. But

5:32

so the book is really really different and

5:35

it's really just kind of

5:37

like is revving its engine for the first hundred

5:39

pages, although ends

5:41

really interestingly and it's, you know, significantly

5:44

different. But that was the last time I read a book that

5:46

I'm like, oh, I hate this. Usually

5:49

I'm just out. I

5:52

also try to select shows specifically

5:56

for can I finish it?

5:57

Yes?

5:58

Like I started watching Hijack on.

5:59

Your exactly just the trashiest,

6:02

most silliest focus.

6:03

People on a plane who are all stupid,

6:05

yeah, are making the dumb decisions only

6:08

seven episodes. It's so I can absolutely

6:11

get to the end of that one because I'm just like, wait,

6:13

why did you Why did they do this?

6:15

It's the ultimately at the TV show,

6:17

Ye're like, don't do that, don't do it, broke every

6:20

decision. Interest makes this terrible, But you're like, interests,

6:22

I love you, hey, please make this work.

6:24

It's well known that if you hydiack a

6:26

plane, you can do anything you want. The pilots

6:28

are not opening the fucking door.

6:30

They don't even get me started.

6:31

They're not opening it. Do

6:33

they open the door in this show? The

6:37

craziest fucking reason.

6:40

Yeah, absolutely deranged television.

6:43

I approached this with something

6:45

I'm trying to bring more into my life. When I was younger,

6:47

I was definitely like a fomo person, like fear

6:49

of missing out, and that also included TV.

6:51

I needed to watch every prestige thing I wanted to

6:53

be in the conversation. I feel like in our

6:56

job that's part of it too, whether it's talking

6:58

about TV or trying to write our own TV. But

7:01

as I get older, I'm racing Joemo

7:03

the joy of missing out, like being happy

7:06

that I don't know about something or that I

7:08

stayed home or ever instead of going out, so

7:11

I generally am the same. I'm like, do I think

7:13

I can finish something the bear I'm gonna

7:15

watch it. It's like I know that

7:17

I'm gonna like it. I know I can finish the episodes.

7:19

English TV trained me on shorter seasons.

7:22

So like something I recently started

7:24

that I definitely did not need to and will take me like three

7:27

years, was Supernatural because everyone was like, God,

7:29

why haven't you watched this? Like please, just fucking

7:31

like watch Supernatural? So I got out

7:33

on DVD and I'm gonna watch it at some

7:35

point. But it's like I've kind of I

7:38

just focus on things that my friends like that I

7:40

want to watch. If it's something i'm covering,

7:42

then I'll obviously watch it. But I think the best thing

7:44

is just try something. Also, if you're in that stage

7:46

where you're feeling really overwhelmed, maybe go

7:48

back to something that made you really excited about

7:50

TV and kind of rekindle that

7:53

feeling and then you can kind of start

7:55

new stuff because it is so overwhelming.

7:57

Yes, but I guess the number one thing we're

7:59

both saying is value your time exactly.

8:02

Just value your time there is so much good

8:05

stuff out there that just allows

8:07

something to resonate with you.

8:09

Yeah, exactly, especially because now there are streaming

8:11

services like Criterion shudder. There's every

8:13

kind of niche streaming service where you can

8:15

really be catered to, so you don't just have

8:17

to watch stuff for the sake of it. Like, find something

8:20

that resonates with you and enjoy your

8:22

time watching it.

8:23

Alex asks when

8:28

will we see Mephisto for

8:30

the first time in the MCU.

8:33

Wow? Thanks, Alex. I appreciate

8:35

this question as a huge part

8:37

of the reason to blame for the Mephisto scandal

8:40

of the wonder Vision era of a Marvel TV

8:42

as somebody who was a Mephisto truther. You

8:45

know who knows. I have heard

8:47

rumors that they are going to cast Sasha

8:49

Baron Cohen as Mephisto, and he will be an

8:51

ironheart and he will be like a businessman version

8:53

of Mephisto whoomps among us knows.

8:55

I do believe Mephisto will be in the MCU

8:58

soon, but I also believe

9:00

that the people behind the MCU understand

9:03

the weight of introducing Mephisto now

9:05

post one division, so it will probably

9:07

be I would say before

9:10

phase six, well,

9:12

definitely before the X Men are introduced, but otherwise,

9:14

I mean, who knows.

9:16

Fantastic four. Yeah, I think it's Fantastic

9:18

four.

9:19

I like that he's a He's an important kind

9:21

of play thing in that world.

9:23

And uh

9:26

prediction, I think they retcon.

9:29

It's not even retcon because the phases

9:31

have not come out yet, but I think they

9:33

uh because of the King issues.

9:35

I think they I think they switch gears

9:38

and the bad guy, the big bad.

9:39

Guy is Mephesto. Is the easiest

9:41

retcon because you can just say he's been controlling

9:44

everything the whole time, so it's very easy for them to

9:46

do that. So Alex, the answer is soon,

9:48

but we don't know when. But you know, when he does show up,

9:51

we will have something to say about it. Just curious

9:53

if you guys have watched any of the newest

9:55

Star Trek content being put on Paramount Plus

9:57

and can it get a little bit of extray love? Jason, have you watched

9:59

any?

10:00

I have, and it will get some X ray

10:02

love when next we see

10:04

you again, So

10:07

stay tuned watching your podcast

10:09

feeds for when we reappear back

10:12

in such a place. Cool kid Coda

10:15

asks thoughts on the X Men run since

10:17

twenty nineteen started reading Dawn of X

10:19

and want to know what y'all think of it. I think it's the best

10:21

time ever to be an X Men.

10:22

It's so great, Like there hasn't

10:24

been an era like this since, like New X

10:27

Men, and even at the time people didn't really

10:29

know Morrison and Quietly's New X Men was

10:31

this huge era. I feel like something

10:33

they did really well with House

10:36

of X and the whole EX era

10:39

and the Hickman X office is they got people

10:41

excited for the event space

10:43

that it was in, and obviously now you

10:46

have all these beautiful collections you

10:48

can read to lead into everything coming

10:50

up to, you know, the Fall of X and the

10:53

huge events of the Hellfi Gala recently. I

10:55

just think it's so much fun. I also think this is one of the

10:57

X Men eras which we haven't had enough of

10:59

in recent years, where there's something for everyone. Yeah,

11:01

you like a comedy comic, read Hellians like

11:03

you want to read something that's serious and scary,

11:06

getting the main Hickman stuff. You want to enjoy

11:08

incredible production on your comics

11:11

in a way you've never really seen before in design that's

11:13

Tom mular designing those books like this

11:16

is just such an interesting, good

11:18

space and I love it and I'm

11:20

excited to see what happens

11:22

next with this era of the X Men, because I do think

11:24

it's one of the strongest that we've

11:27

had for a very long time.

11:28

Yeah, there's a long time. As a lifelong X

11:30

Men fan, I've just I've

11:32

always just wanted them to have a place.

11:35

And the Krakola era is the

11:37

x Men with a place in

11:39

the world that's pretty much in viable now.

11:41

I think what's really interesting about what's

11:44

going on now is having given them a chance

11:46

to govern themselves. You know, what is

11:48

the what's the quote from Abraham

11:50

Lincoln that from

11:53

like eighteen thirty eight or whatever, like,

11:55

will will a European giant

11:57

step across the ocean and smash us at

11:59

a blow? No, if we're if destruction

12:02

is to be our lot, we will be its

12:04

author. The x Men. You

12:07

know, there's too much drama in that group. It's

12:10

hard hard to govern

12:12

themselves when there's that much drama, that

12:15

much history. And I think that's what's really

12:17

interesting about it. But it's been the best and

12:19

it's been the best time ever literally ever to be

12:21

an X Men fan. There's so many books. The books

12:23

are great.

12:24

There have so many different kinds of people telling the stories.

12:26

They have a power in the in

12:28

this world now. They're not just like

12:31

on the edge of extinction being hounded

12:34

like to the death, or living in a

12:36

city or an island off the coast of a

12:38

city somewhere, just like trapped there.

12:40

They have a nation, a burgeoning

12:43

nation. They start to colonize

12:45

space. They're a real power

12:47

now. The question is like what what will they do

12:49

with it and how will they serve? But it's been fantastic and

12:52

adding to the points you made, it's

12:55

been a real eye opener in

12:58

terms of the characters who've been allowed to really

13:01

pop and resonate, like mister There's

13:04

never been a better time to be like,

13:06

Yeah, mister.

13:07

Sinister is vibeb

13:10

incredible cake, Yeah, I love him. And

13:13

as asks, this is a great question for you, Jason

13:15

Oh for those who want to consume content

13:18

responsibly during the strike, is there anything we

13:20

should or shouldn't do to show solidarity. I

13:22

have seen mixed reports going around about whether or

13:24

not to boycott or cancel subs to con certain

13:26

streaming services ET cetera.

13:28

Yeah, I mean the WGA and SAG

13:32

both have not said

13:35

people should boycott.

13:36

There's nobody's

13:38

calling for that. At

13:40

the same time, like, your dollar is your dollar

13:43

and send it where you want, depending

13:45

on how much value you think

13:47

you're getting back from it.

13:48

Yeah, and support the Entertainment Community

13:50

Fund which are always linked in the show notes share

13:52

posts. That's all I love. Writers and actors have

13:54

been saying. So just show your solidarity

13:57

online. And if I'm when that call

13:59

comes, so hopefully it won't. We're hearing you know, there

14:01

might be talks going on that could lead to a good resolution.

14:04

If that call for a boycot comes, then you'll know because

14:06

people will well they'll let you know.

14:08

Anders asks what is a book series, comic series,

14:10

video game series, any type of fandom

14:13

that you have not yet personally got

14:15

into but want to in the future.

14:17

Rosie, I really want to learn how to play

14:19

Dungeons and Dragons.

14:20

This is a great I'm glad that you said

14:22

this.

14:23

That's my big I want to have a campaign.

14:26

I want to player with a party

14:28

like that's my big thing that I haven't gotten

14:30

to do. And everyone I speak to, everyone I know who does

14:32

it has the most fun. I met an amazing

14:35

kid in the comic shop recently this weekend

14:37

when I was at Spiras Heroes celebrating their anniversary

14:39

who recently got into it and they dress up with their

14:41

party like, that's my big thing. I've

14:43

got a lot of books of different tabletop

14:46

games just because I like to read them, but I've never actually

14:48

played a campaign, so that's my big one.

14:50

I exact

14:52

same answer, and extending

14:56

on that I recently

14:58

purchased. This is a bad decision because

15:00

I have a lot of actual work to do and I recently

15:03

purchased Balder's Gate three, which

15:05

is as far as I know and

15:07

from everything I have read, the most

15:10

like granularly accurate

15:13

depiction of playing D

15:15

and D in a video game. So

15:18

I haven't played it yet, I'm I guess

15:22

this is like, if this is what D and D is like, tell me

15:24

if I'm doing it wrong. I've taken

15:27

three days now to build my character.

15:30

Just like just sounds exactly. So

15:35

I have not.

15:35

Yet actually entered the mix,

15:39

but I hope too soon, and I too would love to play

15:41

D and D.

15:42

If you have a D and D game, you're in l Yeah, yeah,

15:44

last night X Ray Vision

15:46

will be.

15:46

Back and

15:56

We're back Homie and PEPSI asked, what are

15:58

some of your favorite superpower reveal moments

16:01

in comics movies? Anything like the reveal

16:03

of the Resurrection team in House Powers of X

16:05

with the team on a suicide machine. Now it's great.

16:07

Yeah, okay, so mine is like really sorry,

16:10

but this is like the nerdiest answer ever, but I stand

16:12

by it, and it also does connect to a modern thing.

16:14

During Secret Wars the

16:17

Jonathan Hickman assad

16:20

Era, the final page

16:23

when you learn the real reason that they

16:25

did the whole event, which was to bring Miles Marales

16:27

into the main six one six universe

16:29

from the Ultimate Universe. The

16:31

way that they reveal that Miles

16:34

is in the universe is on the

16:36

page they change from

16:38

mixed case lettering, which is what they're use in the

16:41

Ultimate Universe, to all caps,

16:43

and that's how you know Mariles is in the main

16:45

universe and you know that now there is a new Spider Man.

16:47

That shit like blew my mind.

16:50

I thought it was so clever and so subtle, and

16:52

currently in the Automate Invasion

16:54

book, also by Jonathan Hickman, which I am like

16:57

absolutely loving. The first issue is one of my

16:59

favorite issues years of any comic I've

17:01

read recently. That book

17:03

The letter does the same thing where you learn

17:06

which world you're venturing into with

17:08

the lettering, and that's Brian

17:10

hitch who I think is at his best here drawing

17:12

and colored by Alex Sinclair.

17:16

This book is just so cool and for me, those

17:18

little production nods where you learn like

17:20

there is a huge power reveal that I won't

17:22

spoil in the first issue of All My

17:24

Invasion, but you once again learn about

17:27

it just by the fact that they're not using

17:29

all caps, they're using mixed case. That

17:31

to me is like some of the most powerful stuff that gets

17:33

me, like really excited.

17:35

That's a great answer for me.

17:38

I have to go back to the heat

17:40

of my comic book buying

17:44

fandom. I'm going

17:46

to go with this is kind of a dodge, but I think

17:48

it's I think it's the qrurect way to answer

17:50

this question. Personally. For me, it

17:53

would be the reveal in Wolverine

17:55

seventy five nineteen ninety three is Wolverine

17:57

number of Wolverine's

18:01

bone Claus so so Wolverine

18:05

with the metal he had the adamantium still in his body,

18:07

he had taken a taken a swing at

18:09

Magneto and had cut him.

18:12

Magneto got super mad

18:15

and was like you fucking idiot,

18:17

Master Magnetism, like you're still doing this, You're

18:20

still trying me. And he's like, I'm watch

18:22

what real power is. And he just like liquefies

18:24

all the adamantium in Wolverine's

18:27

body and sucks it out severely

18:30

injuring him. And now we're thinking, so you're

18:32

thinking for a period of time now and I forget

18:34

how many issues you're thinking this like, as

18:37

he recovers and then eventually decides like, well,

18:39

I can still be a help to the X Men, you're

18:41

thinking, Okay,

18:44

he doesn't. He doesn't have unbreakable

18:46

bones anymore, and he doesn't have

18:48

the claus but he's still got the crazy

18:50

healing factor some like he could still surely

18:52

help. And then during

18:55

a a

18:57

a training session, his

19:00

he becomes like, you know, instinctively,

19:03

like he's trying to help

19:07

and to contribute to the team, and then all of a sudden

19:09

snicked and these crazy, like

19:12

mangly looking bone claws

19:14

pop out of his hands and

19:16

he's like an immense pain. I have

19:18

to say, as a kid, I was like, freaking

19:21

mind bull.

19:22

No, definitely, because I feel like all of us kind of also

19:24

didn't really know, like whether

19:26

clause something they added in the web and next

19:28

program, like oh, those naturally occurring as part

19:30

of his mutation. But obviously that reveal is

19:32

like the bone claws, he had

19:35

them all the time, they just covered them without him.

19:36

They just covered it or like replace whatever

19:39

however however they did it. But I will also

19:41

say that what's funny to me about

19:43

that scene is like, so

19:45

Wolverine has just had recently

19:48

had all the adamanciam removed from his body,

19:51

and doctor turned villain

19:53

Moierriic Taggert is there, like

19:56

with the rest of the X Men, including Jubilet, you

19:58

know, early nineties X Men, just kind of like you and

20:00

go through this session a bit oh my god, like

20:03

he's too he's too injured to

20:05

do this and blah blah blah, and then the bones

20:07

the claws pop out. It's crazy that where

20:10

are Taggart? A doctor, a

20:13

world renowned doctor and scientist.

20:16

Was never like, hey, you just had

20:18

all the metal pulled out of your body. Maybe

20:20

I should have said you let me take a

20:22

look to see if anything has happened,

20:25

and so everybody is just surprised

20:27

by the Bone Club. Anyway,

20:29

he had.

20:30

The healing ex Markina.

20:33

Chris asks where does Ahsoka

20:35

happen in the timeline? Meaning the newest TV

20:37

show. I'm watching Rebels for the first time. Was delighted

20:39

to see more Mofma finally going public with her rebellion.

20:42

I realized Rebels must be after all

20:44

the same time as Andors. And now I'm confused but excited

20:46

about Ahsoka. I do actually know

20:48

the answer to this, Okay, So the

20:52

a brilliant actress who's playing

20:55

Sabine Ran and Natasha lu Bodiso,

20:58

she had said that it will occur and currently

21:00

to the Mandalorian season three,

21:03

which I believe the Mandalorian

21:05

season three is eleven a b y, which

21:07

is basically like seven years after Return

21:09

of the Jedi, So you're basically in that space between

21:13

the old and the new, and

21:15

it'll be very interesting to see because also

21:17

we're now hearing these Ahsoka episodes are going to be in that

21:19

thirty minute range, so like how much are

21:21

they going to get in I don't know, but yeah, it will be concurrent

21:24

at least partially to the Mandalorian

21:26

season three.

21:27

That's very exciting. So first no for nascent,

21:30

first order remnants of exampire

21:32

running around the galaxy where

21:35

and various Since you're just watching

21:38

Rebels, I must spoil it, but I won't.

21:40

But let's just say various mysteries that

21:44

are presented to you at the end of Rebels. One

21:46

surmises will then beered

21:48

by this.

21:49

I think that we have seen in the latest Ahsoka

21:51

trailers in very interesting locations from

21:53

Rebels, especially near the end, So I'm excited.

21:57

Slander Man asks this may have been answered in the past,

22:00

but do you all have a definitive favorite superhero

22:02

movie? If so, what separated from

22:04

the rest? Rosie.

22:06

This is such a hard question, obviously, I

22:09

think if I'm the truest heart of

22:11

heart answer for me, it's probably just

22:13

Batman Returns, Okay, Like I think it's

22:15

that I love Batman eighty nine. I love all

22:17

the MCU movies. I love like

22:19

thor Ragnrock. There's so many different

22:22

parts of those stories that I love. But

22:24

when I think about like a movie that truly

22:27

as a little kid, I had seen Batman eighty nine, it's actually

22:29

like one of my earliest memories is watching it when I was like two,

22:31

but Batman Returns was like I

22:34

was a young goth like. I loved it. It has

22:36

all these characters. I love, Michelle Fiffer's obviously

22:38

iconic, and I think that's probably the

22:41

one. I go back to a lot and I think about a

22:43

lot like what would a Batman Returns

22:46

comic book look like?

22:47

Like?

22:47

What would these what would the kind of stories

22:49

I would want to tell in that world? And it has such

22:51

an unbelievable cast. So I think for me, if

22:53

I had to pick, it would be that one. But I hate to pick because

22:56

it's really a spectrum. What about you.

22:57

I think for me it would be probably

23:01

the first Avengers movie. That's not it. I don't

23:03

even think that's the best MCU movie. But

23:05

I couldn't believe that they had done it, they

23:07

had done it really well, and that every

23:10

character somehow had

23:12

this really emotional arc

23:14

that worked. Uh. And you

23:17

know when Banner says I'm always angry,

23:19

it's just like a fucking rush.

23:21

Three sixty shot of them all.

23:23

Yeah, it was awesome, and that

23:26

was sitting in the

23:28

theater for that was like a mind blowing

23:30

experience. I

23:33

would probably be a tie with that and

23:35

Winter Soldier just because in the winter, so I

23:37

just love Winter Soldier. The Elevator Fight for

23:39

me is the Topelieree mc

23:42

moment ever.

23:43

Yeah, and Eric osks

23:46

he's been reading The Black Tongue Thief based on Jason's

23:48

recommendation and he absolutely loves it,

23:51

says, I'm sure this has come up previously. Any

23:53

other suggestions of similar novels

23:55

worth my time? And then he has a second do

23:58

you guys? So he's he

24:00

asked me specifically, like what are the best under

24:02

the radar horror books to check out? I do read

24:04

a lot of horror. I would recommend. I don't

24:06

know how under the radar a these are, but like I

24:09

love Riley Sega, Like if you haven't read any

24:11

of his books, he made this. He wrote this book called Final

24:14

Girls, which is probably one of my favorites, which is

24:16

like set in the world of Slashers. He's

24:18

done multiple different books and each

24:20

one is kind of a playing

24:23

on like a horror trope. He did like a Haunted

24:26

House book, like kind of an inspired by Amateurville,

24:28

and they all sit in like a mystery horror space.

24:31

I've also would say, if you've never read Clive Barker's

24:34

books of Blood. They're actually really easy to get

24:36

now, and those are so unreal,

24:38

Like, you will read those stories and whether you're a

24:40

reader or a storyteller, you

24:42

will got Oh my fucking god, I've never read anything like

24:44

this, and it makes you want to tell crazy

24:47

stories. I mean, I love

24:50

horror. I actually wrote a horror list at IGN

24:52

as well that we can we can link

24:54

back to because there's always so many different

24:57

brilliant books out there. I also love anything

24:59

by Read Jew. She has a new book out

25:02

soon called The Reformatory. I've been reading

25:04

a lot of dark Academia recently. It's

25:06

brilliant. Yeah, so

25:08

check those out. Also, I would say I read a

25:10

really great book that if you love horror,

25:13

is worth reading called The Black

25:15

Guy Dies First, and it is by a

25:18

really brilliant woman called doctor Robin Armines

25:20

Coleman and an author called Mark Harris.

25:22

And it's this really fun academic

25:25

history of horror and like blackness in horror,

25:28

but it's put together in such an unbelievably

25:30

readable way, and if you're a horror fan,

25:32

you will just love it. Like I recommend it to people when

25:34

they ask me for horror books because it makes

25:36

such a good companion piece

25:40

to those books. So, yeah, those are just some of them,

25:42

but there's there's so many good ones, Jason, is there any more kind

25:44

of like fantasy books in the Vein of Black Tongue

25:46

Thief that you love.

25:47

Well, I'll say some horror stuff. This is

25:49

definitely not under the radar Stephen

25:52

King, but he.

25:54

Does have many books.

25:55

Yeah. My favorite, like when

25:59

I was a kid that my favorite thing that Stephen

26:01

King wrote was

26:03

a collection of short stories called Night

26:05

Shit. I think it is his first collection of short stories

26:08

and it's a bunch of stories

26:10

that appeared when he was a freelancer

26:12

in various men's magazines,

26:16

including Cavalier, Ubers, Penthouse,

26:19

you know, like lad mags of the Day,

26:22

and it is really

26:26

gritty, scary stuff, and

26:29

I just remember, you know, it's very

26:31

rare that I actually get scared. Part of the reason

26:33

that I like horror movies

26:35

is like I can watch them in the middle of the night just

26:38

I enjoy them, but they don't really scare me. I

26:41

got really scared by this book, Jerusalem's Love

26:44

and all almost all of these stories have been adapted

26:46

into stuff. So it opens with Jerusalem's

26:48

Lot, which is the vampire story

26:51

that then became a vampire I believe

26:53

TV mini series starring

26:55

David Soul really

26:58

scary about this guy who like inherits

27:00

this like mansion that then has creepy

27:03

sounds and things happening inside of

27:05

it is probably vampires living

27:07

in the basement. Graveyard

27:10

Shift, which was I think was also

27:12

adapted, and I Forget Where Night

27:14

Surf, which is like super trivia. This is like a lot of

27:16

this stuff is like Stephen King's drug

27:18

phase. I Am The Doorway,

27:21

which like is I

27:23

think still one of the great like teleportation

27:26

stories of all the time. Trucks

27:31

which became Maximum Overdrive. Strawberry

27:35

Spring, which to this day

27:37

I find one of the absolute

27:40

scariest reads

27:43

ever about. I don't want

27:45

to spoil it, but it's about a

27:47

series of serial

27:50

killings that happen in

27:54

and around a college campus when

27:58

the fog of a

28:00

of a you know, kind of like late

28:04

summer rain

28:07

or over the university,

28:09

and it is really mind melting

28:11

and scary. The Ledge, which

28:13

is just one of the many stories

28:15

from this that got adapted for the

28:18

horror anthology The Cats. I if anybody

28:23

lawnmore Man which became The Running Men

28:25

starring Arnold Schwarzenegger Quitters

28:27

Incorporated. That's another Cat's Eye one. Children

28:30

of the Court, which game a long running and it's

28:34

been very, very campy movie

28:38

series about a town in

28:40

which, like you know, all

28:42

the adults are murdered, just

28:45

like great, great,

28:47

great great and really

28:49

really scary. Check it out. Chris

28:51

asks, who is the chosen one? Luca

28:53

Anakin, I think they're very I think the prophecies

28:56

are very clear.

28:57

Yeah, I personally, I'm

28:59

like a I spent so much time in this

29:01

world that I'm kind of like a prophecy

29:04

hater at this point. I feel like prophecies

29:06

can always be misread or re read

29:09

or reconstrued. I believe that they

29:11

probably will keep finding a chosen

29:13

one, I think when to fit their needs.

29:15

That's kind of the problem with prophecies. But Jason,

29:18

I believe you have a more distinct belief

29:20

on this one.

29:21

I mean, I think it's I think is a chosen

29:23

one. I think that the prophecies were pretty clear,

29:27

and I think he

29:29

did bring balance to the force.

29:31

Now, like all prophecies

29:34

worth their salt, there is a ton of

29:36

context that is missing from the prophecy

29:39

that detail

29:41

how exactly you get to that point. But I think

29:43

it's Anakin. I think it's clearly Anakin.

29:45

I like the angle. He definitely did bring balance to Force.

29:47

It was just like what fucking costs?

29:49

Yes, yeah, okay. Another

29:51

Star Wars question. JG asks over

29:54

Under on one great Star Wars movie in the

29:56

next decade. Do you think it's possible?

30:02

Great, that's the subjectiveness

30:05

of it. This decade, So we have another,

30:07

let's.

30:08

Call it in the next decade. So we've got ten years,

30:10

so.

30:10

We do have ten Yeah, well yeah, I think yeah.

30:13

I think so. I think the truth is that

30:15

there will be some unique, interesting

30:18

take, whether it's your four

30:20

hundred thousand years ago at the beginning of the Force,

30:22

whether it's some slightly lower budget

30:25

Western inspired Star

30:27

Wars movie, whether it's a Pixar

30:30

Droids movie. I just think there's so much

30:32

scope, and it feels

30:34

unlikely at the moment because they have struggled to find

30:36

the right thing. But I believe

30:39

that there will be a great Star Wars movie in

30:41

the next decade, because there tends to be. I

30:43

think it's a cycle. It will happen.

30:45

One more short story, Mary gateskill wrote

30:48

a story called The Other Place that appeared

30:50

in The New Yorker maybe ten or twelve

30:52

years ago. That is

30:57

nothing bad happens in it, but it is

31:00

really really scary from the perspective

31:02

of It's written from

31:05

the perspective of an adult who

31:08

has a kid who is displaying

31:10

the same kind of violent fantasies

31:12

that he had when he was a younger

31:15

man. And it terrified

31:17

me, okayly terrified me.

31:18

And in that case, I just actually need to say, I believe

31:21

this is under the radar. If

31:23

you don't randomly read like old horror shit,

31:25

I would say read Shirlie Jackson's

31:27

The Lottery, also published in The New Yorker. You can

31:29

literally read it on the New York website. They

31:31

have that sha ark that will

31:33

terrify you. It will also make you

31:35

so unbelievably furious

31:38

that you have never come up with something so simple,

31:40

and then take a great joy in reading

31:43

all the letters that were written about that

31:46

story when it was first published. Is probably

31:48

my favorite horror story ever, and I live

31:50

to create something that is just so unbelievably

31:53

unsettling.

31:54

Rebecca asks GENI. Survivor

31:56

spoilers here. Spoilers boiler spoiler

31:58

Wanning, I can't help but think about how similar passing

32:00

through the Abysses two thousand and one Space Odyssey slash

32:03

Interstellar, any inter dimensional travel

32:05

in sci fi pop culture. Does anyone

32:07

think Disney is trying to plant a multiverse

32:09

seed here? I mean you could

32:11

argue, oh, what a person Chris

32:14

of the Rebels Ahsoka question plugiers.

32:18

I think the stuff that happens at the end of Rebels

32:22

very very very very clearly

32:24

seeds the idea of maybe

32:27

a multiverse in Star Wars. All

32:29

of which is to say, Rebecca, I agree with you.

32:31

Yeah, I totally agree with you. And I think that looking

32:34

at like Dag and Jarah and the

32:36

idea of like how long people

32:38

can survive in this space, I think that there

32:40

is a multiverse is always a foot

32:43

especially because, as we know from the history

32:45

of storytelling, that is where you get

32:47

the freedom to tell all kinds of stories and then bring

32:49

in what you want in a way. Star Wars

32:51

is already working with that, with the way that they bring in the

32:53

expanded universe and legends and kind of canonize

32:56

and decanonize them. So yeah, I think Rebecca,

32:59

you are correct. A

33:01

asks I can sometimes be

33:03

a bit burnt out from surfing the waves

33:05

of the big ip content ocean, can't.

33:07

We all would love to hear from

33:09

you both what you think of some of the best

33:11

stand alone original story

33:14

genre films or shows that may

33:16

have gotten lost in this plethora in the last

33:18

few years and need more appreciation. I love all these horror

33:21

questions, same, Jason Jeviny, Immediate

33:23

things that stand out indie horror movies, shows

33:25

that might not have gotten the love they deserve.

33:28

Well, I've been telling you. Here's a movie

33:30

that I've been talking about to you guys

33:32

that I haven't mentioned on the pod. George

33:34

Miller of

33:37

Mad Max of bib

33:40

Big released

33:43

a movie Couple Man, I'm Wanna Say You're Go and a half a couple of

33:45

years ago, starring adri Selber. Until

33:47

the Swinton title one Thousand Years of

33:50

a Longing, I almost say so, I almost

33:52

like you do. And

33:56

it's fucking great. It's great. Go see

33:58

it. It's about a woman who

34:02

unleashes a genie and the relationship

34:05

they have, and it's a lot about

34:07

it's honestly just like a story about storytelling

34:10

and how we create, how

34:13

we turn our lives into a story, how

34:16

we can turn it into the story that we want

34:18

to hear and see. It's really wonderful

34:21

and I loved it a lot.

34:22

Yeah, mine would be I think I have recommended

34:24

this before on the podcast, but if I think it was

34:26

because Jeff passed away sadly. But there

34:29

is a movie that I just adore that's up there

34:31

with my favorite horror movies of all time. It's

34:33

called Blood Quantum. It was written and directed

34:35

by Jeff Barnaby. It's a twenty nineteen

34:38

like Canadian horror movie and

34:40

it's basically about

34:43

a zombie apocalypse that

34:46

happens in Canada and

34:48

then what if. And it's like, what

34:50

if the indigenous community

34:53

in the Mickmac community

34:55

were not infected and

34:58

what if everyone else was? And it's so

35:00

so good. It's furious, it's

35:02

angry. It has a brilliant cast, including

35:05

kde Every Jacobs from Reservoir

35:08

Dogs, Michael gray Eyes who's

35:10

like an absolute legend. But it's like so good

35:12

and it is just like I would love to see

35:15

it at the movie theater. It was only ever on Shutter,

35:17

so I never got to. But it is just like gory,

35:21

fast paced, like brilliant shutter

35:23

is really good for that kind of stuff. They also had a show

35:25

that I was really into that came out.

35:28

It's so good and it kicked documentaries.

35:30

Oh my god, you're a fannal documentary.

35:32

Watch the documentaries about horror

35:34

on Shutter They're so good.

35:36

Yeah, And it's like they did a show that

35:38

I also really loved. There was a New Zealand

35:40

show, an other indigenous show called The

35:42

dead Lands, and it was like it's a

35:44

little bit more zena ish even though it's

35:46

not as serious, but it's still kind of gory and it's

35:48

about a warrior who has to get like sent

35:51

back into the dead lands

35:54

and they come back from the afterlife to kind of find

35:56

redemption. And that is just so good.

35:58

Like if you like fantasy and

36:00

horror, that's just such a good show.

36:03

And both of those I think are up there for stuff

36:05

that should have gotten a lot more shout

36:07

outs. And I mean, if you wanted to watch Prey and then

36:09

watch Blood Quantum, I think you would be having a

36:11

really special double bill

36:14

of really great indigenous genre

36:16

horror.

36:17

Rob Asks Suit Division

36:19

was a mess on both the micro and macro levels.

36:22

Which megafranchise do you think will be the first to

36:24

decanonize an existing tent

36:26

pole part of the franchise. Allah when EU

36:28

Star Wars became Legends. Wow,

36:31

I think, well, this

36:33

is interesting.

36:34

I think this is a really big question. I think it's a good

36:36

question to ask. I also think.

36:38

The Star Wars not count because either do.

36:40

It in a way they're already doing it because

36:42

think of something like Agents of Shield

36:45

that was emc U canon, it was sold as

36:47

emc U canon. Caang, it's about

36:49

to happen, baby. I just don't think

36:51

they're gonna do it. I think we're moved

36:53

past the time of like somebody

36:56

from corporate saying we on, this

36:59

is no longer can like they did

37:02

never happened. That made people. That makes

37:04

people angry. It makes fans feel like they invested

37:06

their time in something that isn't worthwhile or doesn't

37:08

matter. So I think we're more in a space

37:11

where it's going to be kind of like we talked about this before

37:13

for Dark World, a lot of that felt

37:15

like it wasn't really important until they made

37:17

it important again. And I think rather than

37:19

decanonizing anything definitively,

37:22

you're gonna be in a space where something like Agents of

37:24

Shield, they had the dark Hold,

37:26

and they used a different one in the new movies. They

37:28

had morgana the Faye,

37:30

but they they gonna She's gonna be a different

37:32

character, you know. Like it's very interesting,

37:35

but I think they're kind of already doing it. They're

37:38

just not And as as Rob

37:40

greatly points out here, he says, all will studios

37:42

just say, oh, it's a different timeline. Yeah, I think

37:45

that's the same thing.

37:47

Along those lines. I do think it is

37:50

very possible, considering the

37:52

kind of structural issues that the MCU has

37:54

with with they're kind

37:56

of original stars on the

37:58

way out or largely having left

38:00

already, and the ongoing

38:04

superhero fatigue. There's kind of beset

38:06

culture. I do think that there is

38:09

like a non zero chance that the MCU

38:11

is just like kills

38:14

everybody, go yeah, just comes and kills

38:16

everybody after Fantastic Four and they

38:18

restart the whole thing.

38:19

Also, because if you're smart, in my opinion,

38:22

the X Men movies, the x Men universe

38:24

that they inevitably lead to under Marvel

38:27

Studios doesn't need to be part of the MCU. That's

38:29

just x Men, you know what I mean. The MCU can be

38:31

done. So I agree with you I think that's really real.

38:33

X Ray Vision will be back and

38:44

we're back.

38:45

Okay. Ronan the Key asks

38:48

what's the best fan theory or wish this

38:50

was true for you?

38:52

Well, this actually might be true, but I'm gonna

38:54

say that

38:57

that Polly betrayed Tony

38:59

at the end of The Sopranos and

39:02

was the one who ordered Slash

39:04

engineered the what

39:06

is clearly a David Various

39:08

David Chase comments have made it clear that Tony does

39:11

die at the end of The Sopranos, and

39:13

there had been for many years now has been

39:15

an active theory that, because of

39:17

certain conversations that happened, and including

39:20

one outside of Centril's, that Paully

39:23

is the guy who basically pushed

39:25

the button to make it happen, and you know, made

39:27

a deal with New York so that he would then take over

39:29

the family. And I

39:33

have always found it really compelling

39:35

and I continue to find it compelling, and I hope it's true.

39:38

What about you?

39:38

Yeah?

39:38

I love that mine is. This is like

39:41

a movie pitch that felt very realistic

39:43

for a little while, but is inevitably never going to

39:45

happen. This was a Comic Shop favorite

39:47

conversation when I was still working in the shop,

39:50

and it was the idea that you would do a Fantastic

39:52

Four movie and you would have

39:54

Tiker probably as the kind of years

39:57

went on directing and playing mister

39:59

Fantastic, and it would begin in the sixties

40:02

and be like an out there kind of Tiger style

40:04

party, and then you move them to the present

40:07

MCU as like a fish out of water tail after

40:09

they've been in the negative zone. That came

40:11

up so many times as just

40:14

something that like friends said or that I

40:16

would think about, and then multiple people started

40:18

and I think when Matt Shackman first got kind

40:21

of connected to it, that was the theory of

40:23

like what the movie might be about. I don't think

40:25

they'll do that. I think that the Fantastic

40:27

Four will exist in their own space. But I really

40:29

would have loved to see that kind of like swinging

40:32

sixties Fantastic four and then thrown

40:35

into a fish out of water scenario.

40:37

That would be really really why.

40:38

I still think it's the best way to do it, and I wish

40:40

we hadn't kind of missed the boat for Tiger being

40:42

the right person on that. But yeah, that was that's

40:45

mine that I think about a lot Okay,

40:49

Jan and Nil nineteen eighty two asks

40:52

what is the next Barbenheimer and

40:54

why is it not Saw Patrol?

40:56

Okay, sow Patrol for those of you

40:59

who are not online enough, is

41:01

the idea that

41:04

much like the Barbenheimer phenomenon,

41:07

Saw X.

41:08

I believe it, Yes, it is the tenth Saw movies,

41:10

Saw.

41:11

X and the paw Patrol

41:14

supercre movie will then combine

41:16

to create this you know,

41:19

cinema going weekend event

41:21

called Saw Patrol. Uh.

41:25

Honestly, like, in terms of the

41:28

label.

41:29

Yeah, it's a lab well, I think that's the thing. It's

41:31

the titling is so good.

41:34

I will say, culturally, outside

41:36

of America, this is a lot harder

41:38

to do because I don't know how many people know

41:40

the ins and outs of movie rating systems,

41:42

but our ratings are very very unique.

41:45

In England, for example, Saw

41:48

will be rated eighteen and no one under eighteen

41:50

will be able to go and see it, So I think that cuts

41:52

off a little bit of the accessibility of Barbenheimer,

41:55

where a lot of people could go and see both. Though

41:57

actually Oppenheimer was al rated, so maybe I'm

41:59

wrong. Is the crossover as large

42:01

for a animated kids movie trying

42:03

to get rid of the coppaganda of the cartoon and turn

42:05

them into superheroes. And a prequel

42:08

about Jigsaw getting scammed by

42:10

a cancer treatment unit so he decides to

42:12

kill them. All sounds like I would watch it, By the way,

42:15

I don't know, but I do. I

42:17

like. I don't like studios trying to recreate

42:19

this, but I do

42:22

like how much fun people are

42:24

having putting these things together. And Saw

42:26

Patrol is just it works so well in

42:28

the name, like you just can't you

42:30

can't hate it. But what will the next one be? We

42:33

will never know, and it will happen and it will

42:35

be so random and we'll

42:37

all be in shock. Though, if you go and see por

42:39

Patrol and Saw X on the same day, please

42:41

tell us.

42:43

Gosh, uh, I'm

42:45

just like picking one at random. It's

42:48

if they're gonna do it. Here's

42:50

the movies that I think you could possibly

42:52

do it with as the kind of

42:55

uh as the more serious version of

42:57

the movie, like the Oppenheimer in this formulation.

43:00

I think you could do it with Dune Part two. I

43:03

think you could do it with and

43:05

It just again requires that other

43:07

movie. I think you could do it with The

43:10

Hunger Games, the Ballad of Songbirds and

43:12

Snakes. Yeah, honestly,

43:16

Hunger Trolls. I think Patrol.

43:21

Is good. The Trolls is good, especially because

43:23

Trolls is a musical. Yeah. And also the

43:25

new Hunger Games movie is like an insane like

43:27

retro futuristic steam punk movie,

43:29

so they're very different.

43:31

I like that Napoleon. I've

43:33

come to you to say it can happen Napoleon.

43:37

How about this Napoleo. So

43:39

it's Napoleon and

43:43

Leo starring Adam Sandler.

43:46

Wow. Okay, that's the one, because that's fast

43:48

as fuck.

43:50

So the movie and the week would call would

43:52

be called Napoleo.

43:53

Wow. Ridley Scott, listen to that one.

43:56

Get make it happen baby? Okay.

44:00

Bertolt mech asks thoughts

44:02

on the Health Fire Gala and the potential end

44:04

of the Best X Men status quo, since at least

44:06

Morrison I could argue best, I

44:08

think it is best. I have not read the Health Fire

44:10

Gala.

44:11

Lisa Rosie, I'm just gonna say I

44:13

agree. I'm not going to do any spoilers and

44:16

listen out on your feeds

44:18

for when we come back, because the hell Fire Gala

44:21

issue or episode is on

44:23

it's too long to talk about right now, but you're

44:26

not wrong, and it's definitely going to be a conversation

44:28

we have in the future.

44:29

Sarah asks, why have Marvel movies lost

44:31

some of their sparkle lately? Who?

44:34

I think, you know, just this is naturally

44:37

what happens.

44:38

Yeah, transitional phase.

44:39

We're in a transitional phase. There are always going

44:41

to be issues with regards to the

44:44

you know, the cast leaving, and

44:47

I think clearly they over invested

44:49

in the space yes saturation,

44:51

which honestly is you

44:54

could criticize them for this. I would argue that

44:56

every single movie studio that had this

44:58

rocket ship would have exactly done the same thing.

45:01

Where's where is the break even point

45:03

in the money if more money keeps coming

45:05

out the more we invest, exactly,

45:07

and shouldn't we just keep investing and see

45:09

how much money comes out? Like every This is

45:12

uh, this is the incentive that underpins

45:15

basically our entire system of doing

45:17

things. But I think

45:19

this is always going to happen.

45:20

Yeah, it's you got to remember endgame.

45:24

You're talking about like the biggest movie on

45:26

Earth. It's going to be incredibly hard

45:28

to follow that up, especially when those

45:30

movies had been barreling along at such an

45:32

unbelievable speed and rate of success.

45:35

I think it was a lack of planning. I

45:37

think it is a slight

45:40

confusion about what made people

45:42

love the movies. Yeah, and I also think it's

45:44

this transitional phase. How do you follow up the biggest

45:46

movie in the world, as we've seen, it's

45:48

really really hard. But that's not to say

45:50

we haven't had incredible things Wonder Vision.

45:52

I still stand that that is going to stand for years

45:55

as just a truly great television

45:57

series. And I think, as we've kind

45:59

of spoken about before, the best thing about

46:02

this phase, which seems kind

46:04

of messed up and weird and in you

46:06

know, a lot of ebbs and flows, there's

46:09

going to be a lot of cool stuff to kind of wreck on and

46:11

pull from. And also if

46:13

it leads to other people go in and see them movies

46:15

like Barbie Oppenheimer, Teenager

46:17

and Ninja Turtles, you know, cool

46:20

like go see other movies, and the MCU

46:22

will still be around. These comics have been around for almost

46:24

one hundred years. The movies are still going to

46:26

be here. But yeah, I think it's a lack of planning,

46:29

and I think it's very very hard to follow up

46:31

the most successful movie of all time.

46:34

I think it's just very hard. The chase

46:36

asque what's more important for franchise IP satif

46:38

satisfying old nerds or generating new nerds?

46:40

Wow, interesting existential

46:42

question.

46:43

I believe it is a balance of both. I

46:45

think, do you have to introduce new audiences?

46:48

Hence why think about Star Wars, think

46:50

about superhero movies, think about Ninja

46:52

titles. A lot of what they're doing with

46:54

those movies is selling merchandise to children,

46:56

and that is the children's entry point into

46:59

the movie. I think that making things

47:01

accessible. I love the recall model.

47:03

I love The Force Awakens, I love the New Scream

47:05

movies. I think you can do something really fun

47:07

where you have legacy characters but introduce

47:10

new audiences with new characters. I

47:12

think the reason The Force Awakens was so successful

47:14

financially is because it essentially

47:18

was a retread of what worked well in Star

47:20

Wars as a jumping off point to then something so

47:22

different and incredible like The Last Jedi.

47:25

I think that it's a balance of both. I think

47:27

there's no harm in Easter

47:30

eggs in fan service. I love

47:32

those things. I love seeing a character that. I

47:34

know, I love getting a nod to the source material,

47:36

but I think nothing is going to survive

47:39

without new audiences. So I think it's a balance of

47:41

both.

47:41

I think you're exactly right, and I think for an

47:44

example of something that got

47:46

the balance way wrong, you can

47:49

just look at a movie we recently covered Indian

47:51

Drones and Style of Destiny, which made

47:55

almost no attempt to bring in anyway

47:57

fans, and it's just kind

47:59

of like a movie the for like senors,

48:03

I guess, and did they like

48:05

it? You know, it's like not, It's

48:09

yeah, that's what happens when you get that balance

48:12

from mm hmm.

48:13

Okay. Another good thank you super producers

48:15

all for these combinations, because it's another

48:17

great existential question. My Pneybone

48:20

good Name asks. I'm just wondering

48:22

if your mood or state of mind affects

48:24

your viewing experience when you are

48:26

watching fandom related content. Me

48:29

So like I would say yes, because

48:31

like, if I'm in a chill mood

48:34

and I'm feeling open minded and i just want to

48:36

watch something fun, I can enjoy something

48:38

that is maybe objectively not great.

48:41

But if I'm feeling like kind

48:43

of bummed out and down watching something. I'll

48:46

be honest, we can't watching Secret Invasion.

48:48

It could kind of bum me out, like I'm not if i

48:50

wasn't in an open minded mood where

48:52

I'm like so many people worked on this, like

48:55

this is something that people spend

48:57

a lot of time on. When I'm thinking like that, I can appreciate.

49:00

But if I'm feeling kind of down or something and I

49:02

watch something that doesn't necessarily

49:05

adapt something that I really love, I can

49:07

definitely be affected by it. I can also

49:09

be affected by watching something and

49:11

that thing bumming me out if it's

49:14

like depressing, or even if it's really

49:16

really great but still kind of bleak, Like

49:18

I definitely have to sometimes

49:20

I just have to watch like a cozy mode of mystery.

49:22

If I'm feeling down, I can't be putting on like an

49:25

anxiety interesting show.

49:27

I'm the same, and that's for any content. It doesn't

49:29

have to be even nerdy stuff like I recently finished

49:31

The Bear season two, and that's a

49:33

show that like, I can't.

49:35

I'm longing out watching episode seven. I

49:37

cannot do it.

49:38

It's just too much, too much screaming,

49:40

too much, people being toxic.

49:44

Too many times, I'm like yelling at the screen.

49:47

Just fire this fucking person already,

49:49

Like.

49:49

Yeah, oh you fucking quit if you don't want to do it.

49:51

Yeah, that's fucking quid. And it's

49:54

so well made that it just like creates

49:56

those feelings in my body that I then have

49:58

to be like, Okay, I gotta just like watch

50:01

below Deck or something like that, Like I just

50:03

gotta throw on you

50:05

know, vander Pump Rules or something very very

50:07

light. Yeah. Absolutely

50:10

my mood. All of which

50:12

is to say, usually it's

50:14

not my mood that affects

50:16

how I respond to the thing. It's the thing affecting

50:19

my mood. Yeah,

50:22

Mike Asks, congratulations. Rosie and

50:24

Jason Frall, they're awesome writing lately. They you

50:26

have a lot of amazing things from cover stories

50:29

to comics to movies. It's amazing

50:31

as a fan to get to follow. I would love categorically

50:34

any XRV writing discussion on really

50:36

any aspects of those processes.

50:38

Okay, so for me, I

50:41

think me and jaysonatchally quite similar on this. But like,

50:44

I love writing stuff, but

50:46

finishing stuff is very hard. So

50:49

something that I always try and do is

50:51

just get through a first draft as quickly

50:53

as possible. That is like my biggest

50:55

tip, especially if it's something shorter, a

50:57

comic script, a screenplay,

51:00

a pilot. Guys Done

51:02

is Spooly

51:04

Love. She is smooching super

51:07

producer Chris. She knows it's the last episode and

51:09

she's saying goodbye in a

51:11

romantic way. But yeah,

51:13

I just I try and

51:16

finish stuff. Doing something

51:18

I'm trying to do at the moment. I've got a novel that I'm

51:20

trying to finish by the end of the year. I

51:23

am doing our long writing sprints

51:25

and just separating an hour off and

51:27

really really trying to finish something. Also

51:29

something I'm doing is just appreciating

51:32

how much actual writing output I

51:34

have because I do writing challenges.

51:37

I've done two thousand

51:39

words of summer, which is really great. But the truth

51:41

is I didn't really realize

51:43

until I started doing them that a lot of people don't

51:45

really write anything in a day. But sometimes

51:48

even if I'm not writing the thing I want to write,

51:50

like a novel or a screenplay or a pilot

51:52

or something, I will be writing like five

51:55

thousand words for multiple outlets. So also

51:57

just recognizing that my output is really

51:59

high and it's just about recentering

52:02

on my stories. That's what I'm trying to focus

52:04

on at the moment, so that's me. I try and do writing sprints

52:07

and also just try and finish the thing and then go

52:09

back in at it.

52:10

That's my number one thing is finish the thing. There's

52:13

a great I've purchased

52:15

every single book about

52:17

writing that there is to purchase, and one

52:20

of the best ones. I'll give you my two favorites

52:23

on writing by Stephen King, which just has

52:25

great, great, great nuts and bolts, how

52:28

to do it, what you don't need to do kind

52:30

of stuff from a master shortteller. And

52:33

and Laman Spurred My Bird, which is more of

52:35

a philosophical take but which has some

52:38

of the great revelations that have changed

52:40

my writing life. And the most

52:42

important one is shitty first drafts. Yeah, your

52:45

first version of whatever the thing

52:47

you're writing is is going to

52:49

be bad. Let it be bad

52:52

and don't question it. So I do the

52:54

same thing Rosie does. Let's

52:56

take a TV script, like a half hour sitcom

52:59

script for egasample. I will try to write

53:01

that in one or two days, like as fast as

53:03

I can vomit it out with placeholder

53:06

jokes like here, character A does

53:08

a joke and character A character b response

53:10

to the joke, like some cliche dialogue.

53:13

Let go back and.

53:14

Just get it down, because that's

53:17

the hardest part because

53:19

there's always that voice that's going to be there that goes,

53:22

this fucking sucks, this bad, Holy shit, this is

53:24

so bad. What if people see this? And

53:26

it's important that you have that voice because that's

53:29

going to be the thing that powers you through the editing where

53:32

you rewrite and you make it good. But

53:34

you'll never get there if all

53:36

you do is listen to that voice and you just here's

53:38

a thing that happens, has happened to me. And continuing

53:41

to also continue to try to finish

53:43

my novel is if I read

53:46

what I wrote last night, then

53:48

I'll just keep rewriting it. And I'll just keep

53:50

rewriting it, and next thing you know, for two weeks, I've

53:53

been working on the same chapter, the same paragraph,

53:55

two paragraphs in a chapter. Just finish

53:58

it. It doesn't matter if it fucking sucks. It's it's

54:00

supposed to be really bad, it's supposed to be

54:02

really really really shitty. Finish

54:06

it and then go back and

54:08

then you can make it better and make it better

54:10

and make it better. So just like I

54:14

cannot stress this is enough for your first

54:16

draft. Whatever you're writing, it's gonna suck.

54:18

It's gonna suck. Mute the voice

54:21

that is telling you it sucks, and just push

54:23

through and to the end. The

54:26

second you start feeling

54:28

yourself reading two sentences

54:31

before where you are or three sentences or

54:33

a paragraph and going oh shit, that's bad, stop

54:36

and just maybe close the document and come back and

54:38

you feel like you can just like finish. You can push

54:40

through again and just don't reread

54:43

until you finish. That's it.

54:44

Yeah, And the other thing I would say, just find

54:47

friends who want to read your stuff.

54:49

That will be the ones who help you go from bad first

54:51

draft. It's a great second job.

54:53

It's amazing third draft. With

54:56

my Pilo and my screenplays,

54:58

having friends read them over go oh this works or

55:00

this doesn't work or this person needs more has

55:03

been like invaluable. So I would definitely

55:05

say.

55:05

That that's very important. And to

55:08

add on to that, when you're getting notes from

55:10

your friends, again super important to be able

55:12

to have those people that you trust to give you the notes. If

55:15

you're in a place where you're not finished, it's

55:18

okay to tell them, hey, don't

55:20

give me a note that will make me go back, you

55:24

know, just again. It's

55:27

the hardest thing to do, but finish,

55:29

finish.

55:29

It, and you'll feel so good when you know you can finish

55:32

one thing. It makes finishing everything else so much

55:34

easier.

55:34

Yeah, just finish it up next to it

55:36

out.

55:44

In today's not outweare you tell us what you love

55:46

them, why, a theory you're excited to share, or a

55:49

quick question we can answer. And you have sent us

55:51

so many over the last two years. Heh

55:53

friend of the pod and co host of the Escape Patch

55:55

podcast, which you might know is Doom Pod, pitches

55:58

us on honestly one of the best shows

56:00

of like the last decade, which is Warrior.

56:03

Jason and Rosie, it's h

56:06

for the final nerd out of X Ray Vision

56:08

Volume one. I wanted to point you out at

56:10

the excellent TV show Warrior,

56:12

currently streaming on Max. The

56:15

show was created by Jonathan Tropper, the creator

56:17

and showrunner of the groundbreaking action drama

56:19

series Banshee that launched Anthony

56:22

Starr's career, produced by

56:24

Justin.

56:24

Lynn, and is based on the writings

56:26

of Bruce Lee.

56:28

A historical martial arts drama set

56:31

in eighteen seventies San Francisco. It

56:33

follows the story of our hero, Assam,

56:36

a recent Chinese immigrant who comes to America

56:38

with nothing to find his sister, who was

56:40

previously sent over. Assam

56:43

is quickly sucked into the Tong Wars,

56:45

with competing Chinese gangs fighting for

56:47

control of the illicit trades in San

56:49

Francisco. The series

56:51

features incredible martial arts action,

56:54

all of which is extremely grounded, beautifully

56:57

intricate, and always story driven.

56:59

But the show really shines because of the fantastic

57:02

characters, including the heads of

57:04

the competing Chinese gangs, the unemployed

57:07

Irish masses indignant at a new

57:09

wave of immigrants being exploited and

57:11

taking their jobs, the mostly

57:13

Irish cops trying to keep the peace, and

57:16

the business and political forces manipulating

57:18

everyone to keep the money flowing same

57:21

as it ever was. All of

57:23

this is set to a bangin Riza

57:25

style soundtrack, with each episode

57:27

ending with a different killer Chinese rap

57:30

song, so you will be seriously entertained

57:32

while you take it all in. However,

57:35

what makes the show truly unique is

57:37

its representation of Asian and Asian

57:39

American people. Series leads

57:42

Andrew Coogi, Whoon Lee

57:44

Diane Doane and Olivia Chang are

57:46

never shown as caricatures, stereotypes,

57:49

or side characters.

57:51

Rather, they are.

57:51

The center of attention and fully flushed

57:54

out with their own agency at the center

57:56

of the show. I remember an interview

57:58

with Alan Yang, producer of Louke and Master

58:00

of None.

58:01

Saying that Hollywood never even shows

58:03

the intimacy of Asian characters

58:05

kissing.

58:06

Well, this show's a hell of a lot more than that, and

58:08

leads viewers with a lot to think about in terms

58:10

of our legacy of exploitation, though never

58:13

in a preachy or sanctimonious way. If

58:16

you love great storytelling and stunning

58:18

martial arts, this is the show

58:20

you've been waiting for. The season

58:22

three finale airs this week, and

58:25

all three seasons are streaming now on

58:27

Max. Watch the first five minutes of episode

58:29

one and you'll be hooked. On

58:31

a final note on behalf of

58:33

all the fans of the pod, including the

58:35

Fantastic community and the discord, I

58:37

wanted to say thanks to both of you and

58:40

the entire production team for all

58:42

the hard work and passion you've brought the last

58:44

two years to make incredible episodes

58:47

week after week. You've

58:49

inspired us to not only be passionate

58:51

about the stories we love, but to care

58:53

about and support the creators and

58:55

the unique stories they're telling.

58:57

Thank you. Cannot wait for

59:00

volume two of the show to begin. Peace

59:02

out.

59:03

Thanks h. If you have theories, passions,

59:05

or quick questions you want to share, hit us up

59:07

at x ray at crooked dot com. Instructions

59:09

are in the show notes.

59:12

That's it for us, Rosie any plugs.

59:14

Just keep an eye on your feeds to hear

59:16

why You're gonna hear us next. You can follow

59:18

me Rosie marks at Instagram and they're boxed

59:21

and yeah, like, thank you for listening.

59:23

Same here. We'll be back soon,

59:26

hopefully soon. We're not touch would

59:28

hopefully soon. Secondarily,

59:32

I co wrote a movie with Shay Serano that's

59:34

on a platform that's struck,

59:36

so I won't mention it, but if you use the Google

59:39

Machine, you can figure out what it is and

59:41

you.

59:41

Can watch it if you want to, if you want

59:43

to.

59:47

Some quick thank yous to

59:49

some of the people who have been really so integral

59:52

to the creation and running of this pod.

59:55

It couldn't have happened without them. First

59:57

and foremosts are our super producers, Chris Lori

1:00:00

and Saul Ruben, who have been amazing every

1:00:02

week, week in, week out, getting

1:00:04

the prep ready, helping us with fact

1:00:06

check, and just basically being kind of like a compass

1:00:08

on what we're doing. Vasillis

1:00:11

who Without Vacillis, everything would

1:00:13

sound like crap.

1:00:15

You would never be able to hear us, It would sound

1:00:17

bad.

1:00:18

Delon, who without

1:00:20

whom you would never see us and never know what we

1:00:22

look like. Just a fantastic person.

1:00:24

Ryan Wallashton who came in late but helped me tremendously

1:00:27

on Takeline and is just like an all around great

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guy. Nikki Shane and Bradford, without

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whom many of our omnibuses

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would have been factually wrong, just

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incorrect, incorrect. Kendrick

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James, who helped us on the management side, Jordan

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Sarah, Caroline Restin who again

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was like really really influential on Takeline

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Sandy Gerard who just like helped put

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away. Akulatee who helped

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us on the social side so that people could get

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Dunfee, Sam ben Desi

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on the marketing side, Gabby Leverrette

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and of course, the founders John John

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and Tommy who gave

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us a shot here at Crooked and let us run

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a show that is crazy. Carlton

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Gillespie who again helped launch

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the show and it was super super important

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on the takeline side. And Brian

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Vasquez who sadly is no longer with us but wrote

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the fantastic and catchy title song

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to extra vision and all the kind of like interstitial

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little musical pieces. Thank

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you to all of those folks. Yeah, could not

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We love. We love bringing stuff

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Extra Vision is a Crooked Media production. The show

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Me Jason Temps.

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depth reviews, and generally just share their thoughts

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been in the industry for a while. You won't just hear the

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