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In this episode, in the air Lock, You've

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doing the Yellow Jacket season two finale. We're

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gonna break down all the wildest things

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that happened, and there were a lot of them. There

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were a lot of them.

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It's bananas, folks, It's insane.

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theory from the recent finale of The Mandalorian.

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Coming up the Yellow Jackets season two

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finale.

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We're stepping out of the airlock and into the

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frosty wilderness of the Yellow Jackets

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season two episode nine, which

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is also the season finale episode

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nine Storytelling, directed by

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Karen Cassama, She Came Back Icon,

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I Love Karen Kasama, Jennifer's Body, The

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Invitation. She also directed the pilot

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and it was written by Amini Rosa. Now,

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the finale of Yellow Jacket season two finds

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the survivors in the present planning

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a new sacrifice and the survivors in

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the past dealing with the fallout of how

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these death flash murder, and over

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the course of the episode, a ton of very

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wild stuff happens. So we're just

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gonna break it down piece by wild

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peace. Jason, First of all, how did the finale work

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for you?

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It was very insane. I

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thought you could have combined season

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one and two and made one

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really crazy season of television.

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The Adam death murder

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storyline just took up way

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too much meat space in

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this season, and ultimately

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I feel like we didn't need it because we've ended

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up in a place and we get there in the most

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insane way where basically

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that chapter is closed.

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It's the walking Dead issue. We did

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a lot of extreme stuff to get to a

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place where it doesn't matter. We ended up essentially

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where we kind of began at the beginning

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of season two, which is nobody knows and it doesn't

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matter. So I agree with you. I think RP to

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Adam alpt it loved

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Adam seemed like a really cute guy,

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like sorry he got chopped up. And I

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love the domestic drama between Jeff

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and Seana.

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Jeff is going through it man.

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And Callie's been a fun addition. But I agree

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absolutely. I would say like ridiculous, like the

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finale was totally wild. Like ridiculous

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to me is not a negative thing. Now it's complimentary,

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but a lot of wild stuff happens. I would agree. I

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think that Adam Martin murder,

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in hindsight, that plotline

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like took up too much time.

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We could have sown that whole thing up in

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like three episodes.

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I also think, look, people get murdered all

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the time, and you know what, it doesn't always get solved.

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I'm just saying like that could have been a

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back burner.

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Plot line where we could

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have focused a little bit more time on the survivors.

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I think, in small town New Jersey, you

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got to solve this random murder

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of this kind of working artist.

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And I think Kevin was like, this is my path to

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promotion, this is my path to success.

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It involves people that I kind

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of know and have a relationship with

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already. I got to solve this fucking

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crime. In fact, I have to solve

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it so badly that I'm gonna

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get one of my colleagues to seduce

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a teenager and that's how I'm gonna

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do it. Like, that's how much he

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wanted to solve this murder.

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That was absolutely illegal.

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I'm just saying, Look, I know that maybe

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there are not many people around to hold

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the police accountable if they're doing illegal things,

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But I feel like Kevin was much too casual

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on So I agree with you. Him and

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m Sarahkuza were a nightmare team who saw,

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you know, Adam Martin's death so

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that they could you know, climb up the ladder

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of policing. Well, let's see how that worked out for

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them in this finale episode.

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I can't wait to talk about it.

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Okay, So in the nineties we begin.

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It's the fallout of Harvey's death. Everyone's

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upset, nobody wants to be eating Harvey's

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body, but they're all gonna do it anyway.

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They have to do it.

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That's how it is. In the Wilderness, Baby, the wilderness

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chose and the first

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wild moment we have to talk about. So Shanna

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goes out, she chops up Harvey's

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body like she's been studying at butchery school.

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She is bringing that in. It looks delectable.

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How did she learn this?

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Also, that is like hard

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fucking work. At one point and

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this made me laugh at loud. You

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see Harvey's heart

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which has been extracted from his chest

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cavity, whoa, and it looks pristine

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and perfect and maybe a little big. Like

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I think the upside for Harvey's

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tragic death and cannibalistic

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ritual development of his flesh is

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that when you see that heart, I'm thinking

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maybe Hovey had some kind of heart disease undiagnosed.

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Maybe there was an enlarged talk going on.

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And this is a messy, yeah, at.

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That age to have an in large heart poof,

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and I think maybe, just maybe

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this was the better way for Hobby

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to go.

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Yeah, he's just freezing in an ice pond.

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Does all your friends watch, you know, and then

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gang eating?

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Yeah, drifting off to sleep, you know as

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you kind of sink to the bottom of the lake. It'd be

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better than dropping dead, like in the middle of

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eating doritos or something, because if you're undiagnosed

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and enlarged heart, his het was so

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big. It was huge, you know, like when

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they crack open your chest

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cavity when they're doing open heartsherty that takes

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like they need a sauce, bolt cutters

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and fucking saws and shit and like

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huge jacks and clamps

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and stuff. How did she do it?

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One is showing a supernatural Oh no, that's

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market moves, But

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like I want to know that also, So

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how did Seanna get so good at chopping up a body? Because

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I saw she's only done it to a couple of things in

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the woods, So what's going on there?

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I think she just has a passion for it. She

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has a real, real passion for dissecting

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human bodies.

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As we saw, she was very good at it. We saw the horrible

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images of Adam Martin's body. She's kept

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up with that talent. So

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the first kind of like WTF

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moment, Travis shows

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his subservience

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to the new regime and that

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his acceptance of the fact Havi's

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died after like being outside for a couple of hours crying.

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He just yams the heart, He just yams

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it all down. He just takes a big bite

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out of it. Am seems unhealthy.

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Are you gonna get sick? I don't think you can just

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eat a raw human heart.

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Well it was cooked right, it was.

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He ate a bite of it raw before they

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cooked it.

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Goddamn, that is just

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so savage. I couldn't

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believe that he was just holding

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his brother's heart like that.

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Like what he is, this associate and he's on

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a coach ben path. There's no

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way you can survive.

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If I'm gonna eat people like

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I have to. It's like, you know, the plane is crash,

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We're in the woods, and we gotta do it. Some people have died,

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maybe not my brother, but like, we got to do it. I'm

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starting with the bits that look like meat

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that you would get any other place. Give me

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some chunks, like some kind of filet of butt

7:22

or thigh. I'm not starting with an

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organ, and I'm certainly not starting with a

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recognizable organ like the heart

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exactly.

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I'm saying as well, Shanna, she butchered

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those into like nicely steaks.

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Yeah, she phileied Harvey and made

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him look edible. So yeah, that was wild.

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They cooked him up, they ate him. One

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of the big reveals from the finale

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is like Lotti is not

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really happy about

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Harvey's death. She feels like

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Misty took her words out of context. She

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was saying, if I die because Shanna beat the

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shower of me, you guys can eat me. But

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She's like, Misty, I didn't tell you to go and kill

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a child. And Misty's like, shut the

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fuck up and go downstairs and eat that child.

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So Loi makes a choice that

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she is gonna anoint the

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next leader of the group, which, if

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you remember season one, we were all calling how

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the Antler Queen is that hooded figure that

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you see with the with the Antlers, And

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in a very shocking twist, she chooses

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Natalie.

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I'm gonna tell you, Lottie, I don't know

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which way she's coming or going any

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given time. I thought she would love this. Here

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we are, we got it, We got it a life.

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Someone has died. The wilderness

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unambiguously chose Hovey

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after keeping him alive. You could argue,

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I think, and someone should have. Not only

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did the wilderness choose him, the wilderness

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kept him alive for all these weeks

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and months, specifically to choose him at

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this particular time, to die

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for us so.

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We could eat him.

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Why are you losing your nerve about

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this, Lottie?

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Jesus like I have been here for

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months convincing myself I have to eat a m

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and now I'm into it and the human smells delicious.

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You're like, I'm not into it, Like what the

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fuck?

9:06

And now you changing your mind.

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I propose this Lottie did just get like

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severe head trauma from Shana. So maybe

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she's been like kicked out of whatever

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kind of delusional state

9:16

she was in, and she's had a little bit

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of you know, a little bit of brain injury,

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trag brain injury. I've had them in my life. They

9:23

can change how you feel. And maybe that like she was

9:25

feeling a little bit guilty, she was feeling a little

9:27

bit bad. You know, her face is looking

9:30

very healed.

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She's also in some form of fashion

9:33

neurodivergent and not taking her medicine. Yes,

9:35

all of this time, plus the head injury,

9:37

which I've been concussed as well, and it does make

9:40

you certainly irritable and feel different.

9:43

And so I'm guessing that that is part of it.

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I think that's a good call.

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Yeah, I mean, I'm very interested in it. I feel

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like, whenever season three comes out, I

9:51

hope we're gonna talk a little bit about this with

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Natalie too. But I hope we get to know a bit more about

9:55

Lottie because the rest of the girls, I feel

9:57

like there is a certain amount of inner

9:59

personal connection or

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backstory that you get. But with Latti, we don't

10:03

really know much outside of her struggles

10:05

with her mental health. Her family sucks

10:07

and they're rich, but we don't really know who

10:10

she had a crush on, or whether she even feels

10:12

that way about people, or what her kind of day

10:14

to day life was like that made

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her a teenager. She's kind of more of this supernatural,

10:19

kind of morally gray entity,

10:22

and I would like to know more about

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her as a person.

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I feel the exact same way. I

10:28

think that this is an issue for

10:30

all of our cast I found myself

10:33

thinking not to jump ahead, but after

10:35

we lose Natalie in the present, I

10:37

was like, man, we don't know anything about Natalie. We know

10:39

that she's struggled with addiction issues and

10:41

that she also had a really fucked up family life,

10:44

and we know you know that she fucked

10:46

in the cabin somewhere, but

10:49

other than that, we don't know much.

10:51

And I was really sad when we lose her, because

10:53

I'm like, man, I feel like I was just getting

10:55

to know her, I don't know enough about her.

10:57

You're absolutely right.

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I think you could say all of them are that way.

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Yeah, this has just sparked something

11:03

in my head that I was thinking a lot about

11:06

something. The first season did so well

11:08

that I think made us feel like we were getting to

11:10

know them. It had flashbacks allah

11:12

Lost, right, not whole episodes like

11:15

Lost, but like that's how we know about

11:17

Natalie's dad and how he accidentally killed

11:19

himself. We didn't really get any

11:21

of that. We didn't get anything about the pre

11:24

crash life apart from Coach Ben,

11:26

and some of that was kind of it was unclear whether

11:29

that was imagined or real

11:31

memories. I think that a little

11:33

bit more of the time could have been diverted to those

11:35

aspects and learning more about the girls

11:38

and their lives than you

11:40

know, wondering about what happened to Adam. Mind,

11:42

we know dramatic irony, baby, we know

11:45

he's dead, So like, I would have liked to see

11:47

that, because I think you're right, and I think that a lot

11:49

of you and Natalie, for me, feel

11:52

like the characters I would have liked to know more

11:54

about the most out of the kind of hierarchy.

11:56

But yeah, Natalie gets chosen to be the aunt

11:59

La Queen. Now, I will say the

12:01

wonderful Sophie Thatcher, who plays Natalie, who I think

12:03

is so brilliant. She did confirm in

12:05

a Hollywood Reporter article she is the aunt

12:07

La Queen. Now, I do

12:10

not believe that this is our final ant La

12:12

Queen. Lottie anoints her and says

12:14

you're the leader, and all the girls kind of

12:16

go up and vow themselves

12:19

to her with kind of bows, and it's

12:21

quite sincere at the beginning, and then Aquila does

12:23

a little kind of funny curtsy and it becomes a little

12:26

bit more fun. But you can see Natalie

12:28

as kind of getting drunk on

12:31

being worshiped and being put

12:34

on a pedestal for the first time in her life because she's

12:36

always kind of been an outsider. So

12:38

I'm very interested in this because I feel

12:40

like Natalie was the most logical faction

12:43

in the nineties Survivors, and I

12:45

feel like killing her having to choose Harvey

12:48

over herself was like very heartbreaking, and

12:50

she felt like she actually cared about it.

12:52

So I don't know how far she's gonna

12:54

go into the life of the

12:56

cannibal is.

12:57

Here's the upside for me with this. I

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think from this we can kind of

13:02

into it that there will be other Antler

13:05

queens.

13:05

Right, Yes, I totally agree.

13:07

Here's the good news. This kind

13:10

of patchwork society that is created

13:13

itself in the woods has figured

13:15

out one of the most complex problems

13:18

in governance, which is how do you pass power.

13:20

They've figured it out. They've

13:22

made the Antler queen some sort of title

13:25

that can be passed from person to person with

13:28

very little murdering. Yeah, one

13:30

person gets murdered, a just one every

13:32

time. Not that bad if you look

13:35

at it societally.

13:37

Not that bad for just one mud It to

13:39

happen with the passing of power, if you look at history.

13:42

Usually at least five mudas and then wars

13:44

and all that stuff later. They've figured

13:46

it out where you just you kill

13:48

and eat one person and then you pass

13:50

the title and that's it.

13:52

If you guys, remember the original

13:55

version of the sacrifice we saw lost episode

13:57

was you know, Natalie Bolt, the Queen of Hawk's Cod

13:59

and that was the card that they would choose to

14:02

sacrifice someone. But obviously now Natalie

14:04

has become the ant La Queen, so that takes on a different

14:07

kind of meaning, especially when if

14:09

you remember, Harvey pulled

14:12

a King card. I believe it was a black King

14:15

card. I can't remember exactly which one, but

14:17

before Natalie dies in the present,

14:19

that is the card she pulls. So

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I think that we can assume that from now

14:24

the Queen of Hearts card is more going to be about

14:26

the ant la queen and who is in charge of those

14:28

decisions, and the King cards

14:30

will be the ones where we

14:33

see the people become sacrifices. Also,

14:35

I do wonder if Natalie's route

14:38

of being Aunt la Queen is going to be let's

14:40

jerky, Harvey, Let's put some of

14:42

that meat away. Let's just try and survive

14:45

without doing any of that, and

14:47

then when they run out of meat, she'll be overthrown

14:49

or she'll pass the power to someone else.

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And we're back. This whole

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sequence really made me feel

16:05

pretty strongly about our theory

16:07

that there is no supernatural shit going

16:09

on right. This is just a kind of shared

16:13

delusion brought on

16:15

by starvation, by underlying

16:17

mental illness with no medications,

16:20

by being trapped in this trauma

16:23

trauma by being trapped in this very

16:27

extreme environment all

16:29

together and being

16:32

dosed regularly with hallucinogenic

16:34

drugs. So I think that this is just

16:36

like a kind of mass illusion that said,

16:39

do they remember.

16:40

This, this is the biggest thing.

16:43

Do they remember that event?

16:45

I think that they remember

16:47

from what we see in the present, they

16:49

remember that at times

16:51

they sacrificed people to

16:55

appease the wilderness. But

16:58

we get a really interesting line

17:00

that comes up in the present, which we'll get to in a

17:02

minute, but where Lotti adult

17:04

Lotti says, there's no it,

17:07

It's just us, right, it

17:10

was always just us. Or Shana says that, and then

17:12

Lotti says, does it matter? What's the difference?

17:14

And that is the same. So this

17:17

episode argues I

17:19

think that the wilderness

17:22

and appeasing the wilderness was essentially a story

17:24

that they told, right, so that they didn't

17:27

feel guilty about eating people.

17:30

Right.

17:30

I love that you brought up the idea of this shared

17:32

delusion because I think something they do really well. When

17:34

they shoot Sophie Thatcher as she's

17:36

sitting there and everyone's kind of bowing to her,

17:39

there's this almost like religious

17:41

fervor. Yeah, in her eyes that

17:43

comes over her like it feels

17:45

like they are lost in this

17:47

struggle to survive.

17:49

When Lottie said, what's the difference, I

17:51

wanted to be like, Babe, there's a tremendous difference.

17:54

It is such an incredibly vast

17:57

difference. The distance from

18:00

it's us too, it's something

18:02

other than us is so huge

18:05

because like, y'all

18:07

are killing and eating people.

18:10

Yeah, and you're claiming that

18:12

you're being forced to do it by a malevolent

18:14

spirit, but I'm actually you. That's the

18:16

difference between culpability and caplicity.

18:19

That's

18:21

thought the probably even though

18:23

the statue of limitations is long gone.

18:25

There's a huge difference.

18:27

Loddie, Well, I'm glad we're gonna get

18:29

to that in a minute as well, because I want to talk about that whole

18:31

situation at cam Green Pine because these people need to

18:33

go to therapy, every single one. But okay,

18:35

so finally we're talking about that great shot where Sophie

18:38

Thatcher is there and she's Natalie's

18:40

like kind of taking in all this new

18:42

passion and the love that her followers

18:45

now have for realizing her power,

18:47

and through the window Coach

18:50

Ben sees her. Now Coach Ben

18:52

had already, you know, said to Natalie,

18:54

Hey, I found Harvey's secret magical

18:56

tree where he survived. How about

18:58

you come with me. We can be the cool kids

19:01

who don't eat people and we can just survive there

19:03

throughout the winter. And Nali was

19:05

like, ah, sorry, I killed Howvey, so can't

19:08

do that. But you go off and do it. So then,

19:10

and this is getting to the end of the episode because this one

19:12

skips between so much. We're going to do the past timeline

19:15

first and then the present timeline.

19:16

It's good that we're skipping because it's just like

19:18

the show. We should, in fact, just continue to

19:20

skip from timeline a timeline.

19:22

Yeah, so coach Ben in

19:24

a shocking moment. We can assume it's him, I will

19:27

say allegedly because we don't see him

19:29

do it. But the girls wake

19:31

up as the episode comes to a close in the nineties

19:34

and the cabin is on fire. Yeah,

19:36

like it is like doused with oil fire,

19:39

Like this thing is burning in the

19:41

snowy wilderness. And the implication

19:44

we saw Ben previously with a box

19:46

of matches and some firewoods, so we can assume he

19:49

burned down the cabin.

19:50

I'm putting it right on Ben yeah, I'm putting on him.

19:52

I'm going to say alleged leg Yeah, but I'm putting

19:54

on it was Ben. Sorry, guys, it was Ben. So

19:57

we end the season in the past with

19:59

them by basically being in

20:02

the true wilderness. Like if they were doing

20:04

wild shit to survive when they had a shelter

20:07

and a cabin, imagine what they're

20:09

going to get up to now they have to live outside in the snow.

20:11

It's not looking good for anyone. Ben. That

20:13

was really dumb move, terrible

20:15

choice.

20:16

Yeah, I guess this is another

20:18

one of those where I'm just like, why do

20:21

this? I guess because you're just

20:23

sick of everything and here they are, they're

20:25

about to eat another kid, and you've got a

20:27

place to live now. But like, you know, you can stay

20:29

in the stump. I guess, like for you

20:31

know, like personally, you can stay in the stump.

20:33

We've been saying, like we thought maybe it was like a you

20:35

know, a lot in the ye oldie

20:37

times, they would essentially make like store

20:39

cupboards underground and like the roots of trees,

20:42

and I wonder if he found something like that. So he's

20:44

feeling pretty good about himself and his chances

20:46

to survive. I will say, I

20:48

do wonder I think this is a stupid idea because

20:50

obviously they were all able to get out. He did not

20:52

barricade the door well enough. And now they're going to eat you,

20:55

absolutely no question you'll get any And.

20:57

Yeah, now they're gonna find you and they're gonna eat you.

20:59

You told Natalie about the tree, so

21:01

she's gonna know where to look for you. You have created

21:04

a vengeful group of teenage girls who

21:06

are gonna eat you. But I wonder

21:08

if Ben's self justification

21:11

for it is something along the lines of, like, they're

21:13

all gonna kill each other anyway, So this is

21:15

boo, like just kill them all and

21:18

that they die in the night and they die

21:20

a horrible, fiery death. But at least that's

21:22

bad than them, you know, going around

21:24

just like killing each other and eating each other for the

21:27

next six months.

21:28

I guess that was probably the thought. But then

21:30

you got to barricade the door. My guy, you can't

21:32

let them get out.

21:33

I'm saying, like you shouldn't been nailing some hammer

21:35

and nails over the windows. You can't let them get

21:37

out. You just created something terrible for yourself.

21:40

Just sneak off and stay in the tree. If

21:42

there are indeed stores

21:44

somewhere in that tree. We saw that Hove was surviving

21:46

on lots of meat. There's bones

21:48

of things in there. If

21:51

there is an access in

21:53

that stump to food,

21:56

then just fucking stay there. They're not gonna find Maybe

21:58

they'll find it, maybe they won't. But

22:00

like, what a move.

22:02

You didn't need to do that.

22:03

Nobody is thinking straight out

22:05

here in the wilderness. Nobody.

22:09

Yeah, yeah, season two, no one's thinking

22:11

straight Jason conception.

22:13

Yeah, it's like the poster in the

22:15

past or in the future.

22:16

Oh yeah, Well, let's speak about the present. So

22:18

in the present. If you remember last

22:21

episode, episode eight, Lottie had

22:23

proposed something incredibly logical,

22:26

which was, hey, let's drink

22:28

from these cups and one of them spiked

22:31

with fennabarbital, and if you drink

22:33

that one, you're gonna die. But then the wilderness

22:35

will let us be and our lives will be good. Now, first

22:37

of all, I have a problem with this theory. I boy up

22:39

last week. But the truth is that doesn't make

22:41

any sense because Travis already died, so

22:43

surely your life should be fine. Like, how many

22:46

times do you have to do a sacrifice. Yeah, like

22:48

you're talking about a lot that was like two months ago

22:50

or something. How many sacrifices you need to do? Makes

22:52

no sense.

22:53

But again, I think this is this

22:56

is a handful of mentally ill people, like

22:59

arguing about a supernatural shit that

23:01

doesn't make any sense. Like, folks, we've

23:03

got bodies already on the ledger.

23:05

We don't need to be throwing other bodies at it. Let's

23:07

put Adam in there, Like, what

23:10

about Adam? Throw another one of

23:12

their looking killed by the hand

23:14

of one of y'all, Thank you

23:16

did and cut.

23:17

Up, I will say Adam. He

23:19

adds a little bit, you know, to the theory that this

23:21

does work, though, because after they killed

23:23

Adam.

23:24

Jeff was selling sofas like hotcakes.

23:26

Couldn't believe it go for

23:29

Jeff only.

23:30

It was gomah for Jeff only. So this

23:33

is a classic. Like you said, I think this is a bunch

23:36

of menal old people who are really struggling with their

23:38

decisions. Yeah, because we end

23:40

up in a situation here where Shawna

23:42

decides the best way to distract Lotti

23:45

from her plan to kill them all is to be like don't

23:47

no, no, no. If we're gonna do it. We

23:50

gotta just like sacrifice someone and kill

23:52

them with a knife in the wood.

23:54

Yeah, we gotta do it for real, Yeah

23:56

like we used to.

23:58

We don't just want to be drinking this nice

24:00

And I'm like, Babe, Shanna, why

24:03

are you always doing this every time? Every

24:06

single time? Also acgally, sorry, I just need to skip

24:08

back because I did forget this one of

24:10

the best moments of this finale that I love so

24:12

much that is either absolutely

24:14

irrelevant and just a hilarious character moment

24:17

or incredibly important and we'll shape the

24:19

next season. After Lotty chooses

24:21

Natalie to be the Antler Queen, we get

24:23

a clip of Shannah and she's writing in her diary

24:25

and she's like, why wasn't it me? Why

24:28

wasn't I chosen to be the leader? After

24:30

everything I have done, I have been

24:32

chopping up everyone, And I was

24:34

like, Wow, sure not. You are petty

24:37

and I love.

24:37

You, dear diary. Do my friends hate

24:39

me? Question mark. I

24:42

know that we started off on the wrong foot with me

24:44

fucking my friend's boyfriend, but she's dead

24:46

now we hate her and we've kind of patched

24:48

things up in the afterlife, Like I had a

24:51

long running multi weak

24:53

delusion where I was talking to her and then

24:55

I aron, we're good now, but

24:57

now all of a sudden, I chop up Hovey,

24:59

and all of a sudden nobody wants to choose me

25:01

for Allan Queen. What the fuck?

25:04

What the fuck? That was like so good?

25:06

So Sean is really channeling that energy

25:08

here with this terrible choice.

25:10

Yeah.

25:10

So that sets off a whole series of events

25:13

and they're like, well, we'll do that to distract Lottie. But

25:15

what do they do in the meantime, Nothing, pure chaos.

25:17

Jeff shows up to Camp green Pine

25:20

with CALLI terrible parenting, Jeff,

25:22

don't do it. Shouldn't have done that. Love you,

25:24

Jeff, love you deeply. I'm like the head of your fan

25:27

club. But don't do it. Jeff and Kelly

25:29

turn up. Jeff goes inside

25:32

and finds Kevin Tan the cop,

25:34

talking to Walter. Why is he there?

25:38

This is what we call Walter x Mackina.

25:40

I love Elijah Wood. I think they're very lucky

25:42

they got him for this role. He sells it for me

25:44

even when it gets outrageous. But Kevin

25:47

and Walter they're just having a friendly chat,

25:49

you know, Kevin is questioning

25:51

Walter. Walter's pretending that he thinks

25:53

that, you know the people from the

25:56

Yellow Jackets Survival crash,

25:58

they're really bad people. Why don't you have

26:00

some delicious hot cocoa? Kevin tan

26:02

while I tell you this story?

26:04

Are you a detective?

26:05

I love being a detective.

26:07

I'm kind of a detective. I

26:09

am part of the amateur detective community.

26:12

You might have heard of us.

26:13

Have you heard of us? Have you heard of us?

26:15

And Jeff shows up and he's like, fuck, Kevin,

26:18

you followed me here. I'm really dumb. I should have realized

26:20

that was gonna happen, but I didn't because I'm like a sweet

26:22

himbo who just loves my wife. I'm gonna

26:24

false confess that I killed

26:27

Adam Martin so that you leave my wife

26:29

alone. It's very honorable.

26:31

Kevin is clearly quite moved and upset

26:34

because it's, well, you know what, I

26:36

like Jeff. I like Jeff because he is

26:38

crazy, just as crazy as

26:40

Seana.

26:41

Let me say this about Jeff, who has been going through

26:43

it all season and is going through it in this episode

26:46

in a wonderfully unhinged performance

26:48

by Warren Cole, Who's like unbelievable.

26:51

Jeff is on the edge of tears

26:53

this entire episode, and

26:56

it must have been so emotionally grueling

26:58

to film this. And I'll

27:00

say this about the honorableness

27:03

of his decision here it

27:06

is, I guess.

27:07

But it's loyal. That's the word I should

27:09

have used.

27:10

It's loyal. Here's my counter. You're

27:12

leaving Kelly with your insane

27:14

wife.

27:15

I know, like.

27:16

You're the level headed one,

27:18

like throw her under the

27:20

bus.

27:22

I know, I do wonder about that, But

27:24

I'm also like, maybe he's like, I'll be safer

27:27

in prison from my wife and my daughter.

27:31

Yet my man's murdering, cannibalistic

27:34

wife and her cool daughter who.

27:36

Like is clearly getting more and more into

27:38

that lifestyle as she gets older.

27:40

Yeah, so it doesn't matter

27:43

because guess what, Jeff, His

27:46

confession is useless because that delicious

27:48

cocoa with marshmallows and

27:51

whipped cream that Kevin Tan was

27:53

sipping on in the kitchen of Camp Green Pine,

27:55

it was spiked with fenobarbital, and boom,

27:57

Kevin Tan's dead, not knocked down.

28:00

No, honestly, can you just get Fenna

28:02

barberital? Like, where are people just getting

28:05

Fenna barberital.

28:07

So did he get it from where

28:09

Lotti had it because Misty told him, might

28:11

be he had it, or did he bring his own fena

28:13

barbital because this is clearly not the first time

28:15

this man's murdered someone.

28:17

Oh, clearly not. And I

28:20

just have my issue with this is

28:22

this one. I

28:25

would have loved to see Jeff and

28:27

or Shauna get out of this situation

28:30

on their own, not have a

28:32

diis ex Walter, like show up

28:34

and kill the guy. And

28:37

secondarily Walter,

28:40

which is our next bullet point, then goes

28:42

to m Saracuza and is like, hey,

28:45

so you're gonna go along with this, that

28:47

it was actually Kevin that killed Adam for

28:50

this and this and this reason. I've set it up. I put

28:52

it the text messages I've got, I've got all the fake

28:54

messages and stuff, bank details.

28:56

Bank details everything. I'm a billionagg

28:59

I can do it everyone.

29:00

It looks fucking good. Yeah, this is

29:02

I just do this for laughs, Like this is a hobby

29:05

of mine. I'm into it, and you're gonna find that it's

29:07

seamless and you're gonna go along with it, because

29:09

if you don't go along with it, it's

29:11

gonna look like you did it. And

29:13

oh, by the way, also you were

29:16

attempting to date like a high school junior

29:19

and or senior as part of this, So

29:21

it's like it's gonna look really really bad for you. Why

29:23

would M. Sarahcusa go along with it? Like, wouldn't

29:26

he be like, I guess I'm gonna

29:28

have this murder hanging over my head for the rest

29:30

of my life.

29:31

I think that the argument

29:34

because we've talked about what shithead M. Saracusa,

29:37

he really is a dumb man. Here's the

29:39

fucking what.

29:40

Yeah.

29:40

I think the argument here is like Walter

29:43

plays into his ego. One he does

29:45

set M. Saracuzer up for the murtter of Kevin

29:47

Town because he steals his gun and then just shoots

29:49

Kevin three times. Yeah, And I think he plays

29:52

into his ego and he's basically

29:54

like, you can be the hero. You

29:57

took him down, you found the evidence. That's

29:59

right, You get that promotion that you guys

30:01

had really wanted, and nobody finds out you were

30:03

dating a teenager and actually you can go and you

30:05

can go and date more teenagers and steal

30:07

more information from them and manipulate

30:09

them I don't care. I've had it go for

30:11

it, I've had it go crazy, So I think that's the reasoning.

30:15

But it is extremely

30:17

outrageous. Yeah, I feel

30:19

like it tips the show into

30:21

a different space.

30:24

It's almost slapstick in the way it goes

30:26

down like it's Yeah, it's almost a

30:28

comedic piece in the way he just like drops

30:30

dead like a Looney Tunes character.

30:33

Also, look, I don't want anyone

30:35

out here reading anything into

30:38

this that isn't about it yet.

30:40

I'm not saying I wish Kevin tandlved. Look,

30:43

he was not doing a good job. He was a bad

30:45

cop. But out of the two of them, I would rather M.

30:47

Sarakuza died. Like, if I was picking, I think

30:49

M.

30:49

Sarahcuzu is definitely the one with the

30:51

kind of like the moral gray Ariara, here is my

30:54

head cannon for Why if

30:56

indeed M. Sarahcuz ends up keeping the

30:58

secret, why he would? I think

31:01

he was a little eager to be like, hey,

31:03

why don't I just take the teenaged doughter of

31:05

the suspect on a few days. He was

31:08

very very eager to do that. And

31:10

I do wonder if he does

31:13

end up keeping the secret. If the reason isn't

31:15

that, guess what Amsarracuza complete

31:17

dirt big.

31:18

Yeah, no, no no. I think you actually,

31:21

ironically with this headcanon,

31:24

I think you actually tap into probably what

31:26

the show really wants us to think, which is

31:29

M. Saracuza has come up against a

31:31

person in Walter who has all this information,

31:33

who has all this power, who can set something like

31:35

this up. How lightly

31:38

would Walter have to scratch into

31:40

M. Saracuse's history to find out

31:43

all the terrible shit that he did. I mean,

31:45

he didn't tell Kevin about that plan.

31:47

He just went to a bar and hit on Calli. He

31:49

wasn't undercover, he didn't have any kind of legal

31:52

protections around him. I think

31:54

you're right. I think he's just a total dirt

31:56

bag. And it's also a self preservation

31:58

thing as well as an ego

32:00

thing. Speaking of Calli, Cally almost

32:03

kills M. Sarahcusa. I would have absolutely

32:05

loved to see it. She also would have helped Walter

32:07

out.

32:08

She was ready to commit a murder.

32:10

She had that gun and she was like,

32:12

boom, I'm just gonna shoot this fucking guy.

32:14

But Walter drew him away

32:16

with a hilarious mobile phone

32:19

trick, Poor Jeff almost

32:21

crying watching him doing this, setting up a

32:23

killer X.

32:24

Ray vision will be back and

32:33

we're back.

32:34

There's a lot going on at Camp green Pine this

32:36

episode. We are seeing murders,

32:40

set ups, all kinds of occurrences.

32:43

Callie almost kills someone, Jeff's there.

32:45

This is a real like you bring everyone in

32:48

for the finale episode, but let

32:50

us not forget that. There is also the

32:52

question of the sacrifice, the wilderness

32:54

sacrifice, which I'm now

32:56

feeling like the whole reason Camp green Pine

32:59

was there was so they can do the wilderness

33:01

sacrifice again, you know, And now

33:05

I need to ask you this question. Sure, I really love

33:07

Yellow Jackets, and even though this finale was totally

33:09

out there and kind of like a jump the shark s

33:11

thing, I'm still committed. I still care about

33:13

these characters. But I do need to know this because I've been thinking

33:15

about this a lot. Yes, so they pull

33:18

the cards. Natally pulls

33:20

the Black King card. Yeah, Shana pulls

33:22

the Queen of Hearts. Shawna's response is

33:25

extremely Shorna. She's like, We're not really doing this now

33:27

I'm the victim? Are we? Oh? You're so silly,

33:29

like, how could we ever do this? Rare? But

33:32

every single one of those girls, not just

33:34

Lotti, they just those women, they just put

33:36

the masks on and they're just gonna kill her.

33:38

They're ready.

33:38

Explain that to me. Is it like a trigger

33:40

from the past. Have they been waiting for

33:43

it? Shawna played the wrong card and didn't

33:45

realize how like fragile they all

33:47

were.

33:47

Yeah. I think that they had just

33:50

been so kind of

33:53

primed to be back in that

33:55

mind state that they were just

33:57

flat out ready to do it. Yeah,

33:59

and clearly very very

34:02

eager to do it to get back in the hunt.

34:04

This is why I feel like we're kind of

34:06

putting the cart before the horse with the

34:08

death and Natalie. You want to see those hunts.

34:11

You want to see them doing this stuff that

34:13

would lead them to then become

34:15

these people where thirty

34:18

years after the fact, just

34:20

after some light suggestion.

34:22

They can still click back.

34:23

Yeah, you can just go right back into murder

34:26

mode after you know, some random

34:28

drawings of cards. Yeah,

34:31

what do you think happened?

34:32

I think you're right, that was the bit. I just

34:34

went with the vibe hilarious, like

34:36

slapstick out there horror logic

34:38

of the whole thing. That was the first bit that

34:41

kind of made me sort

34:43

of go oh, I do believe

34:45

that tie in her current

34:47

state will still be we'd saying it all season. T I get

34:49

some help. I check on your family. There's

34:51

another issue you have with this is what's going on

34:53

with your family? Babe?

34:54

Yeah?

34:55

Just give your son a call? Please? How is your

34:57

wife? Yeah?

34:58

Please?

34:59

I would like to know how's the dog?

35:00

Can I ask? When do you do

35:02

state senator stuff? Do you worry

35:05

when?

35:05

Never?

35:05

When? Like? What is going on at

35:07

the New Jersey State House? And has

35:10

government ground to a halt? Because

35:13

you were literally never fucking

35:15

there.

35:16

Never one day since

35:18

you were elected.

35:19

The freshman senator who

35:21

has just been elected

35:24

to office, and you have been there a

35:26

grand total of zero points, zero

35:28

zero.

35:29

Hours, zero

35:31

percentile attendance. What is going

35:34

on, Taista? Please get

35:36

some help? Oh?

35:37

Do work?

35:38

So? Like I believe she could be into it, Natalie,

35:40

I don't know, maybe because like Loti was

35:42

into it. Again, I like your reading where I

35:44

think it's more about like that in that

35:47

setting, they've got the mosques,

35:49

they're just primed to be there, and none of

35:51

them are ever really that far away from

35:54

breaking, and I believe Seanna actually

35:56

her response. I think her response

35:59

in the Woods in the past, in the nineties

36:01

would have been exactly the same. Oh, we're not really

36:03

doing this. This is really dumb. I can't believe you guys

36:05

are thinking of doing that.

36:06

Oh you guys, Yeah.

36:08

I think she would have done that. So I think in that way it

36:10

plays. So Callie

36:12

ends up interrupting,

36:15

and it's really great. There's

36:17

this really great, weird moment where Lottie

36:19

says, is that your daughter? She's

36:22

so powerful? What

36:24

is that? Is she the next and the Queen? I don't know, but I

36:26

liked it, Like Simone Kessel sold

36:29

it. It felt very ominous and important.

36:31

And then eventually Lisa

36:35

shows up and Lisa is like, you

36:38

can't kill Lotti. She's

36:40

helping me. Natalie what's going on and

36:43

kind of causes the commotion. Doesn't want to listen, wants

36:45

to protect Lotti, and of course, the

36:47

ever industrious Misty has another Fenno

36:49

barbetal need or just ready.

36:52

Yeah, let me hold on, let me get in my backpack. I've got it

36:54

ready to go.

36:54

She's got it strapped to her arm. Who knows, Like

36:56

She's like, this is the correct amount and she pulls

36:59

it out. But as

37:01

they've kind of been seeding throughout the

37:03

season, Natalie and

37:05

Lisa have become quite close, and Natalie

37:08

sees Lisa as kind of a younger version of

37:10

herself and someone that she can I guess

37:12

imagine a future for m HM. And

37:15

so Natalie sacrifices herself

37:17

and Misty stabs Natalie

37:19

with the needle. I don't know how much I believe

37:22

that people would just believe that was a drug overdose randomly

37:24

and the shoulder, you know, but they do works

37:26

for everyone. And Misty kills her bff,

37:29

which is very shocking.

37:30

That was harrowing. And

37:33

first of all, Natalie missed

37:36

her calling as like a secret service agent

37:38

because.

37:39

She the timing.

37:40

The timing was unbelievable. She got

37:42

she saw what was happening and got

37:45

in there. I don't necessarily

37:47

know that, like Feno barbaratalling

37:49

someone to death is the way

37:51

to go in that situation, you know, but

37:53

Misty has her own way of doing things. I

37:56

was just like saddened. I need to I

37:59

wanted to spend more time Natalie, though clearly

38:01

we will be spending a lot of time with past

38:03

Natalie young in the future times. But

38:05

this is one of those things where we just closed a loop

38:08

that people are just gonna like be like, Okay,

38:10

she's dead, and what's this stab wound puncture

38:13

wound in her shoulder? That's nothing, I

38:15

know.

38:15

They were like she it was a drug overdose, which

38:17

I also thought was actually I'm sure this was intentional

38:19

by the show, but that was like really

38:22

gutting to me because like Natalie

38:24

had just spent all this time getting clean.

38:27

Yeah, besmirts her reputation one last

38:29

time on the way out, just be like hey.

38:31

Yeah, and then be like, oh, she was an addict.

38:33

She just died of addiction, like anyone

38:35

who know her, that's just what happened. Like that

38:38

was really fucked up. I agree, And that

38:40

kind of I think shows that there's not really any solidarity

38:43

with these women at all. I don't

38:45

love that because I kind of think one of the things that people

38:47

enjoyed so much about the first season was the

38:50

reality and I think you get that in

38:52

the past of the kind of intricacies

38:54

and violence, but also

38:56

kindness of these like teen girl friendships.

38:59

Yeah, and that's really fallen apart for all of them

39:01

at this point. I mean. The present episode

39:03

ends with you know, Misty

39:06

goes to Walter for comfort and Walter tells

39:08

her, hey, don't worry like I set her up.

39:10

Your friends are chill, nothing wrong here. We're

39:12

just cool.

39:13

Now.

39:13

I did that for you because that's just how it

39:15

is. So those two are a little pair. You

39:17

have Jeff and Seana finding out that

39:20

they're going to be safe allegedly apparently,

39:23

and then Lottie after tyan

39:25

Van decide not to call the

39:27

mental health professionals to help her before the sacrifice

39:30

because they're like, we don't do that, you know, we just we

39:32

do this. We look after ourselves. Which I'm

39:34

like, I half appreciate it if you guys

39:36

were in a better estate to look after her, but you're not. And

39:38

then this happens. Letty just get sectioned.

39:41

She's going back to the mental institute. They're

39:44

taking her to the hospital, and the two girls are like, peace

39:46

out. They don't even go with her. I was

39:48

like, guys, come on, you put Lotty in this situation

39:51

once again, can you please

39:53

like go with her and support her. But

39:56

Lotty has this say at the end, which I think will

39:58

end up becoming likely a

40:00

huge talking point and could either inform

40:02

the next season or definitely inform the bonus episode,

40:04

which we'll kind of talk about in a minute. Lotty says,

40:07

like the wilderness is happy with

40:09

us. She's like, you'll see that. I

40:11

can feel it. And obviously we know Lotty

40:13

is suffering from a severe psychotic

40:15

break at this point, she hasn't been on her med, she's

40:17

been having visions. But I

40:20

think the way that this show plays with our expectations,

40:23

even though I feel like the finale here really

40:26

cements our theory about

40:29

it being only trauma based. I

40:31

think that by season three. Opening of season

40:34

three, Tie's wife will wake up, Van's

40:36

cancer will start going into remission even

40:38

though it wasn't supposed to, and those questions

40:40

will start popping up again of what do

40:43

these sacrifices do.

40:44

I want to jump back to one

40:46

thing, which is I understand that

40:49

the show wanted us to feel that Natalie

40:51

was growing close to Lisa. We've had that, you know, that

40:53

moment where we get to meet Lisa's

40:55

family and see how eminently shitty

40:58

they are on the trip backs or her hometown.

41:01

That was enough to be like, I'm gonna

41:03

take the needle for Lisa, Like I'm not saying kill

41:05

Lisa knock.

41:06

They need a lot of Missy's hands punch

41:08

Misty and the family.

41:09

I mean we had like one nice

41:12

lunch and hung out like at your

41:14

childhood home. I don't know if I'm like

41:16

leaping in front of the syringe for

41:18

you, Natalie, just

41:20

why not say look out? What about

41:23

that? Look out?

41:24

Yeah? So that's good super Bridges saw

41:26

did make a good point. He was saying,

41:28

like it could be intrinsically connected

41:31

to what she didn't do for Harvard.

41:32

Oh yeah, that's true. That's a good point.

41:34

You know, it's like she didn't save him,

41:37

she didn't save the innocent, she didn't make

41:39

that choice. And also we know that when they found

41:42

Natalie Campgreen Pine found Natalie, she was

41:44

gonna commit suicide. So she already has those kind

41:46

of tendencies. But I would have just loved to see

41:48

a story where somebody who struggled

41:50

with addiction, with mental health problems that didn't die.

41:53

I was really rooting for Natalie basically

41:55

to.

41:55

Bring it to a more serious level. Right.

41:57

I think where I've come with

42:00

this show and this story is

42:02

that again it is and I think we agree

42:04

this is basically the story of several

42:07

young women who had a shared massed illusion,

42:10

and this was in large part

42:12

inspired by the fact that one of them

42:15

had an active mental health issue

42:17

which she was running rampant and unmdicated,

42:19

and this really because of

42:22

this person's innate charismaticness,

42:24

kind of led to a lot of their very

42:26

murderous and cannibalistic decisions. And

42:29

it just feels like, you know,

42:31

there's a lot of people with mental illness who don't

42:33

eat people, and if

42:36

that is indeed where we're going, and I guess

42:39

there's still a lot of leeway on either side

42:41

of that issue. I hope

42:43

that it's not just they

42:46

were crazy and then they committed a lot of murders and

42:48

eat people because there were nuts.

42:49

I like that you brought that out, because

42:52

I do trust this showy. I really

42:54

have enjoyed this show. I feel like it's so

42:57

interesting and weird, and even when it's

42:59

doing the why all this things, like in this

43:01

finale, you're still entertained and you're

43:03

still thinking, like why would they do that? Like you're still

43:05

having those conversations. But the loty

43:07

stuff, I feel like it's tough because

43:09

I don't want to prejudge it but I would

43:12

like to see a more nuanced

43:15

representation of

43:17

a struggle with mental illness and a bit

43:19

more of a holistic view of Lotty as a person,

43:21

because, like you said, a lot of us struggle with mental illness.

43:23

We don't eat people, but a lot of us don't crash into the woods.

43:26

That's true, just saying, just saying, but.

43:27

A lot of people. I think that you raise a very

43:29

good point, and I hope the mental health

43:32

issue isn't essentially like a mcguffin

43:34

or like a do x Marketer. Also speaking of do x

43:36

Marketer, before we get onto the final bonus

43:39

episode story, what do you think is gonna happen

43:41

with Misty and Walter? Are they going to go on like

43:43

a road trip together?

43:45

They are the same person. You could

43:47

argue that they are too much the same person.

43:49

Yes, I think we're seeing Yeah, but that.

43:51

Relationship will continue if for any

43:54

other reason, then Walter

43:56

is not gonna let it go, Like this is not the

43:58

end of this.

44:00

He did this for her, did this for her.

44:02

And he is going to remain in

44:04

her life. He's not gonna let

44:06

it go.

44:06

That's a great point actually, and quite a good creepy

44:09

read. I saw one of the

44:12

theories that my friend James was talking about I

44:14

thought was really good was Walter's end

44:16

game is he is a cannibal and

44:19

the ultimate thing if you are a cannibal is

44:21

to eat another cannibal. Wow.

44:23

I like that. That's good, right,

44:25

I love that.

44:27

I think that is like really cool. And it also

44:29

plays in a sin city. You

44:31

know, the Robert Rodriguez adaptation of the Frank Miller. He

44:34

played a cannibaal, so I kind of like that,

44:36

and it was this huge deal of like this cute young

44:39

guy who played a hobbit was playing this cannibal

44:41

killer. So I kind of like that

44:44

echo and that potential idea that

44:46

Walter has this kind of weirder ongoing

44:48

endgame, which is that he just wants to eat Misty

44:50

because she's also a cannibal.

44:52

I really really like that.

44:54

Oh yeah, we should just say is. We don't

44:56

really know what it's gonna be,

45:00

how it's going to look, or when it's going to come out, But there

45:03

was confirmation from the showrunners of Yellowjackets

45:05

that we will be getting a bonus episode

45:07

Wild that is essentially going to be kind of

45:10

in between season two and season three.

45:12

A lot of rumors and internet speculation had

45:14

been going on that a bonus episode exists or

45:16

did they were going to drop a bonus episode. We

45:18

don't know when it's coming out. Doesn't look like it's too

45:20

soon, but from what we're hearing

45:23

as well, maybe not directly connected

45:25

to the two stories we've seen, kind of like a

45:27

law episode. Is there anything in

45:30

your mind that if they did, like a bottle

45:32

episode, that you would

45:34

feel like could really bring season two

45:36

together or make you even more excited for season

45:38

three.

45:39

I think more woods stuff, more

45:41

context.

45:42

Yeah, or the wilderness is the is

45:44

the stuffy is.

45:44

That's where the real that's

45:47

the story engine is. Whatever happened

45:49

there, it's affecting that their later lives

45:51

and all the drama that we get, you know

45:54

at Camp green Pine, at the you know,

45:56

with the murder of Adam, with ties,

45:58

ongoing struggle with hallucinations,

46:01

all of that stuff stems from everything

46:03

that happened in the woods. So I hope

46:05

that whatever it is is forest

46:09

centric, you know, more murders

46:11

that they've committed there and another

46:13

hunt, whatever the case may be. But I

46:15

think it has to be there. We have to. Yeah,

46:18

it feels strange to not know

46:20

more about what happened there, because

46:23

it just feels like it all

46:25

informs this the other present

46:27

day storyline, and it's hard to judge

46:30

what these characters do without knowing what

46:32

really went on there. We know there's a few murders

46:35

and certainly multiple bodies

46:37

eaten at this point, but what else.

46:41

Yeah, we need to know. I totally agree with you. I think

46:43

the democracy, the kind of burgeoning

46:46

democracy of the Antler Queen and kind

46:48

of the lore of that. We also get an

46:50

interesting moment where Natalie

46:52

ends up on the plane again just before

46:54

she passes over, and she sees Hobvey and she

46:56

sees young Natalie, and I

46:58

wonder if there's something there about this kind of

47:00

almost how Lost would do a lot of these side

47:03

jumps that were kind of people all meeting

47:05

up again in Heaven spoiler

47:07

alert for Lost. But I wonder if there's

47:10

something about that limbo space of the plane,

47:12

and maybe that's somewhere where they can explore different

47:14

parts of people's lives in a way that

47:16

has to feel less concrete in either timeline.

47:19

But yeah, I'm very interested in it.

47:20

We'll see, we will see.

47:21

Who knows when he is going to come out up next

47:23

nerd Out.

47:32

In today's nerd Out, where you tell us what

47:34

you love and why, or a theory that

47:36

you're excited to share, Lee shares a

47:39

mustache theory on mof Gideon.

47:41

Now this is actually I think it's right. I'm

47:43

just gonna say, I'm just putting out there first. Okay, we'll

47:45

even get in. I think this is right.

47:47

Lee first of all, presages his theory

47:49

by saying that it's not entirely his

47:51

theory. He's seen stuff

47:55

to this effect online. But the

47:57

gist of the theory is this quote. Maf

47:59

Gideon's lack of a mustache this season

48:01

from the Man learn was actually due to the fact

48:03

that we were watching a clone the entire time.

48:06

Instead of the mustache moph Gideon we

48:08

see in seasons one and two, we actually

48:10

see d mustache Gideon, who

48:13

mirrors the clones in the tanks that Mando

48:15

destroys. Thus, the real Moth is off somewhere

48:17

kicking up his imperial boots and eating

48:19

travel biscuits. Far more basic theory

48:21

here is at least more basic theory.

48:24

Quote one, the dude was fully covered

48:26

in best guar armour, And who are we to say that he

48:28

could not have survived that epic explosion.

48:30

And two, there is no body. We never see a body. And

48:33

I'll do it in the voice here, I'm asking Mike,

48:36

where's the body, because if we don't see a body, man, I'm

48:38

just saying, we all know it's no body. He might not

48:40

be I probably in the debt. So Mike, what do you think nobody?

48:43

I'll take my indself. Yeah, I will

48:46

say I like this theory

48:48

for the simple fact that, like not having

48:50

a mustache, changing bits

48:52

of costume, those aren't accidental

48:55

things. Those are very

48:57

purposeful decisions. And

49:00

whether it's a clone or not, I don't know,

49:03

but it's clear that they want us

49:05

to think that maybe that's

49:07

not the same guy.

49:08

I think that you are right, and I think that Lee

49:10

makes a great point in hand, not only by sharing this theory.

49:12

I appreciate you crediting that someone else came up with that.

49:15

That's very nice of you. And I think that

49:17

the mustache theory holds

49:19

up because look, if it had just been

49:22

that the brilliant actor who

49:24

plays Moff Gideon no longer

49:26

had a mustache, right, they could have used a fake

49:28

mustache, or as we saw in

49:31

they claim movie Justice League. They

49:33

could have seen ged a mustache on, they could

49:35

have taken it off. You know, there's many

49:37

different ways to add a mustache.

49:39

Now, it could be the case that Joan

49:42

Carlos Posito was only on set for three

49:44

days and right after that he had to go do another

49:46

thing where he had a clean shaven face or what have

49:49

you. I'll say two things. One, it's

49:51

not a tremendously bushy musset

49:54

like it

49:56

looks like max five days

49:58

growth. Like, I think there's a he

50:00

could have done it, you could do it.

50:02

So I love this theory. I think Jason's right.

50:04

All of these things are intentional. Even

50:06

if this was a simple red

50:08

herring, it's a very fun red herring. But I

50:10

think the reason that Lee really sells me on this

50:12

is not only is it a great theory, and you have the addition

50:15

of, oh, you know, there's a clone that didn't

50:17

have a mustache, so maybe those

50:19

clones also you could have that fun kind

50:21

of almost prestige kind of

50:23

clone law where the clone doesn't know they're

50:25

a clone. That's like a really interesting

50:28

aspect because he talks a lot about all of his failed

50:30

clones, thinking maybe he really is the real

50:32

Moth. But Lee really sells me on this with

50:35

the fact there's nobody we know

50:37

the rules. If there's nobody, we don't know you're dead.

50:40

Star Wars rules, horror rules, fantasy

50:42

rules, every that's every franchise,

50:44

that is the rule. If we never see the body, we

50:46

don't know you're dead. So that I think this is so fun

50:49

and I would love to see mustachioed Gideon

50:51

come back.

50:53

I completely agree with you. Think about you

50:55

know what they did with Natalie and Yellowjackets. They

50:58

showed us her open eye, dead

51:01

stairface for five

51:03

seconds to say she is

51:06

deadded dad to see that they're

51:09

alive. Period.

51:10

Yeah that's me and I'm I'm still a Stew

51:12

Lives guy. I saw that TV four long Stew's

51:15

head and screen, but I never saw his body. Maybe maybe's

51:17

face just fucked up. It can happen. Thanks

51:20

Lee. If you have theories or passions

51:22

you want to share, hit us up at x ray at

51:24

cricket dot com. Instructions in the show.

51:26

Notes, that's

51:30

it for us. Rosie any plugs, Oh.

51:32

I have cool things to plug so you can find

51:34

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51:37

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51:39

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51:41

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51:44

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51:46

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51:49

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51:51

Walk. So if you're in the Valley and you want to come,

51:53

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52:01

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52:06

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52:29

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52:32

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52:35

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