In a new format for XO Soused, we welcome a guest!

Susan Jung - arguably the most powerful voice in East and South East Asian food and cookery - sits with Andrew and Mukta to explore;

* why apprenticeships are sometimes better than formal culinary education

* how a well-timed lunch can help launch a food writing career

* what makes Susan angry as a restaurant reviewer

* Susan’s favourite meal

* What fried chicken reveals about East and South East Asia

* the special artisanal ingredients that elevate East and South East Asian cookery

Susan’s book, Kung Pao and Beyond, Fried Chicken Recipes from East and Southeast Asia is available from bookshops and online at Hive.

Apéritif: Susan, Mukta and Andrew talk a little more about chicken

Intro and outro music: 遊子 [wanderer] by mafmadmaf.com

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