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and it is truly a hell

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of a day to talk about. because

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joining me is

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a man I've been excited to talk

2:04

to all draft season I feel like we actually

2:06

have not gone back and forth much at all

2:09

not on air really barely off air but

2:11

it's one of my favorite people in the

2:14

industry one of my favorite guys to

2:16

talk to about prospects it is the

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author of the rookie scouting portfolio mr. Matt

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Waldman Waldman what's going on buddy hey

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man I'm doing well always good

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to be able to talk with my bud Matt Harmon

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so you know look man it's nice that we get

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to catch up and do this and you know

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cuz the only other person I get to watch film

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with these days is this this little box safety

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and I'm not right here in the background

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yeah you're officially a dog guy I mean I

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in 30 years I've only had cats that

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she's like this is your dog and she

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he we do if you see all the

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drills that we're doing right now I

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mean incredible stuff well hey shout out to you

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you know you're you're

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my friend you're a good guy I already knew

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that but extra shout out to you for being

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a good guy and rescuing a dog in need

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rescue him from anything that maybe

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his in his previous please change

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the change the pillow it's not

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fluffed enough for me yeah And

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it's a lot of work, but it's very rewarding And

4:03

again shout out to you for for doing

4:05

that this is gonna be a very rewarding

4:07

show here Walden for the listeners because We

4:10

do this every year on the show. I really wanted

4:12

to have you on this one because I just

4:15

want to talk through some players with you and like

4:17

a wide variety and The best

4:19

way to do that is to just do a

4:22

dynasty rookie mock draft. We're gonna go pick by

4:24

pick We're gonna try to do

4:26

three rounds. So 36 picks in total.

4:28

I decided we should do a super flex because

4:31

Number one the super flex bros always are like

4:33

if you're not doing a super flex Dynasty

4:36

draft like are you even really trying and number

4:38

two? I really want to hear your

4:40

take on some of these quarterbacks. So gonna be super

4:42

exciting here Let's get right into it because again, we

4:44

got a lot of picks here to make and

4:46

because I am such a gracious Lovely

4:50

guy I decided to give

4:52

you the first pick So with the

4:54

101 in our little super flex dynasty

4:56

rookie mock draft here Matt Waldman, who

4:58

is your first pick? Well, I'm

5:00

getting set up. So I'm gonna go ahead and

5:02

take Caleb Williams number one just because Really

5:05

to me even whether it's super flex or not

5:08

I want quarterbacks who I feel like

5:10

can anchor my team for The

5:13

next 10 to 12 years now if most of you who

5:15

do listen to me on a regular basis know I'm very

5:18

skeptical About most quarterbacks and

5:20

would tell you that most of them don't

5:22

deserve to be drafted in the first round

5:24

But this guy I think

5:26

is essentially childproof and and the

5:29

Bears have just progressed from childhood

5:31

to adolescence in terms of their organizational

5:34

structure and it's figured out

5:37

after Wasting their time, you

5:39

know messing around with Justin Fields and

5:41

and really kind of ruining his

5:44

early developmental opportunity I

5:46

don't think they're gonna do that with Williams great weapons

5:49

around him He's gonna

5:51

certainly have moments of hero ball, but

5:53

they're not massive Issues

5:55

in the way to say Mitchell Trubisky had

5:57

massive issues. So I'm a big fan and

5:59

I would I love to start off

6:01

a franchise with him as as

6:03

my number one overall pick who I think I'm going

6:05

to have erin rogers like

6:08

Development. I mean maybe like faster than

6:10

that But he's going to develop into

6:12

an erin rogers type of player and

6:14

be a long-term top five top seven

6:16

quarterback Yeah, people know my

6:18

feelings on kayla williams at this point and

6:21

especially the bears ecosystem and what they've set

6:23

him up with Which is truly I mean

6:25

terrific. I I can't remember Like

6:28

you said, I can't remember very many young

6:30

quarterbacks getting dropped into a better set of

6:32

circumstances from an on-field standpoint Of course, there's

6:34

the the bears question of it all and

6:36

that does of course bear Ironically

6:39

bear watching so there's all that

6:41

right? But i'm curious from your

6:44

perspective just because for people

6:46

who don't know matt's work Um,

6:48

it's some of the most detailed like

6:50

sickeningly detailed work that you're ever going

6:52

to find in the industry And I

6:54

say that with love as somebody that

6:56

does a lot of sickeningly detailed work

7:01

We are truly fellow sickos my friend

7:03

there's no question about that um

7:05

But part of what I love about your work

7:07

is that not only do you go

7:09

into an incredible level of detail with

7:12

the current class You show your work

7:14

from like a a wide historical perspective

7:16

and I think that's just like So

7:19

invaluable for the readers and listeners and

7:21

watchers if you're just paying attention to

7:23

an evaluator So with that in mind

7:25

when you look through like rsp

7:28

history How good

7:30

of a prospect is kayla williams in your

7:32

mind because you're you're so right. You are

7:35

not easy on these quarterbacks No,

7:37

i'm not because i'm really I I

7:40

would argue that i'm kind of ahead of

7:42

the game in terms of the value of

7:44

processing That's something that i've

7:46

always had embedded with what I do Um,

7:49

so a lot of these guys who get

7:51

drafted who have like the big arm Nice

7:53

size went to a big name school

7:55

and had big box for production. They

7:58

don't impress me and they generally are

8:00

guys that fail out because what

8:02

goes on between the ears and how fast

8:05

and confidently they can deliver that and execute

8:08

that information from the moment they spot it

8:10

is important. So Caleb Williams is really,

8:12

he had a score of 85, which on my 100

8:14

point scale is an instant

8:17

starter, 85 is that point. Most

8:19

guys who are like, Joe Burrow for instance was like,

8:22

I think an 81, 82, somewhere in that

8:27

range. I have a couple of guys that

8:29

were anomalies, for instance, you know, Skyler Thompson

8:31

had an 87 score and I knew it

8:33

was an anomaly. I literally even listed them

8:35

number one, two years ago, instead of it's

8:37

an anomaly. I

8:40

think he's going to have value, but he's

8:43

not even likely to get drafted. So

8:45

the fact that he played as well as he

8:47

did was probably a testament to

8:49

that. But most of the time guys like Mitchell

8:52

Trubisky guys like that are in like the 76 to 79 range.

8:57

A lot of these quarterbacks in that way. So

8:59

I would say Caleb Williams over the past five

9:01

years, Patrick Mahomes scored an

9:03

87 or an 88 and

9:05

that was probably one of the best up

9:08

there. So I would say we're like all

9:10

time best hits is the Patrick Mahomes. I

9:13

probably share my Patrick Mahomes scouting report at

9:16

least every other week. And I will probably

9:18

do that until I die. So

9:20

I mean, I don't care, you know, because

9:22

it's that hard to hit on something like

9:24

that. That's a career bucket

9:28

list moment for me, you know, that probably

9:30

Lamar and him. But

9:32

yeah, Caleb is up there with those guys. He

9:35

may be on the lower end of where

9:37

Mahomes was, but that's

9:40

where I'm at. And I know

9:42

Will Hewitt, who

9:45

is the pre-draft coach for

9:47

Caleb and for Brock Purdy and Anthony

9:49

Richardson, I contribute scouting reports to them

9:53

months before I do the RSP. And, you know,

9:55

I just had Caleb on. I mean, I just

9:57

had Will on talking about Caleb and he talked

9:59

about. different things with like T-spine

10:01

rotation and the flexibility of throwing

10:03

and his ability to process information

10:06

and how good he was with

10:08

control in terms of throwing at

10:10

high velocity and low velocity while

10:12

still having control of the ball

10:14

with a high spin rate. So

10:16

you see a guy with all

10:18

the tools and the things that

10:20

he's up and down about, he

10:22

has more highs than lows with the

10:24

conceptual part of the game. And

10:27

he doesn't tend to repeat

10:30

mistakes within

10:32

the same game. Whereas someone like say Zach

10:34

Wilson, he threw a pretty ball

10:36

at times but when

10:39

people really chart accuracy, sometimes

10:41

they don't really understand what they

10:43

should be charting. Even if they

10:45

understand scheme, they could be total

10:47

brainiacs with X's and O's but

10:50

what they should be charting of

10:52

what's accurate, what's pinpoint accurate,

10:54

what's not pinpoint accurate. Caleb

10:57

Williams has all those tools, he's very accurate

10:59

and he makes consciously good decisions and

11:01

when he makes mistakes, he usually corrects

11:04

them in game. It's

11:06

there. He's probably one of the

11:08

top five to seven guys I've studied. All

11:11

right, so I'm up here at the

11:13

102 and again, this is

11:15

a super flex draft so there's a real

11:17

temptation for me to go with Jaden Daniels

11:19

here because even if I've got questions about

11:21

him as a prospect and as a player,

11:23

I'm curious about your opinion of him as

11:25

a player of course. Even

11:27

if I have those questions, the margin for

11:29

error for a guy that's going to run

11:32

in fantasy is just so big. I

11:35

can have all these questions about him and he could

11:37

still be like a successful pick here at 102 just

11:39

because he's going to run but that's not the direction

11:41

I'm going to go. I'm

11:45

a big Marvin Harrison fan. To

11:47

me, he's such a clean prospect. I

11:49

know you have some questions about him

11:51

reaching his theoretical ceiling and you can

11:54

expand on those here but

11:56

overall, I love the player. Love

11:58

how he translates to the NFL. as a

12:00

true ex-receiver. I think he's got a

12:02

great set of release moves against press

12:04

coverage. He's very polished. I

12:07

do share some of the questions in contested

12:09

situations and attacking the ball

12:11

that you do that we have discussed

12:13

privately as well. But

12:15

at the same time, I think some of those are

12:18

correctable issues and he can very well be a very

12:20

strong player in the NFL. So

12:22

I'm going to go with him here at 102 because I think it's

12:24

just a really good opportunity to get

12:27

a foundational place for my foundational piece

12:29

for some theoretical dynasty team here, even

12:31

though it's a super flex draft. Yeah,

12:34

I think it's probably one of the

12:36

safer picks that you're going to make.

12:39

And even the issues that I would say

12:41

about Harrison, I mean, the bigger issue that

12:44

I have right now is that immediately

12:46

he's going to have to be the man

12:48

in Arizona. He's the split in. He's

12:51

the guy that's lining up against the

12:53

top corner. He's the guy that opens

12:55

his chest up early and gets hammered

12:57

by cornerbacks occasionally who are actually NFL

13:00

savvy. It doesn't happen very often where

13:02

he was in Ohio State, but it

13:04

did. It'll happen a little bit more

13:06

often in the NFL. Does

13:09

that kill his career? Absolutely not. But

13:11

I could see this being as a

13:13

first year guy who's not also the

13:17

most quick twitch dude. I mean, like

13:19

I'm not saying he's slow. He's not.

13:21

Right. But he's not, you

13:24

know, he's not Antonio Brown working to

13:26

get open when Ben Roethlisberger is scrambling

13:28

around back in the day. He's

13:31

now working with Colin Murray, who does a lot

13:33

of that type of thing, but he's

13:35

not the quick twitch guy that say Malik

13:37

neighbors is in that regard to be able

13:39

to work open. So I could see where

13:43

Marvin Harrison has like a Larry

13:45

Fitzgerald rookie year type of scenario,

13:47

which is still good, but it's

13:49

like 780 yards, you know, 70

13:52

to 80 catches, 780 yards, eight

13:54

to 10 touchdowns. Still good enough to

13:56

be like a, a wide

13:59

receiver. for three, year one, and then

14:01

next, the year after that, Fitzgerald had a

14:03

1400 yard season. So I

14:05

could totally see that working out. But

14:08

I could see missed opportunities against top corners who

14:10

are going to like say, Hey, welcome to the

14:12

NFL. This is how we play. This is

14:14

not who you played at Michigan that

14:17

everyone's fawning over. You know,

14:19

and I think we're going to have some of those moments in

14:21

those contested catch scenarios. But

14:24

as a number one overall, as your first overall pick,

14:26

I wouldn't argue with I wouldn't argue with anyone who

14:28

took him first overall. Yeah.

14:31

Tell you what, if he gets between like 700, 800 yards, people are going to

14:34

be super disappointed. Yeah, based on

14:36

where the expectations are right now,

14:38

the very high expectations. But

14:41

you know, that that's always within the range

14:43

of outcomes. I agree with you that the

14:45

biggest question I have with him is just

14:47

working with a scrambling quarterback like Kyler Murray,

14:49

because even some like receivers I'd call mid

14:51

tier guys in the NFL, really

14:53

take their like, Gabe Davis is a

14:55

great example that I mean, Gabe Davis is whatever,

14:59

like he's a whatever starting receiver in the

15:01

league. But he has made a it made

15:03

himself a lot of money. And he's got

15:05

a lot of cred to his reputation, because

15:07

he has that sense of working with Josh

15:09

Allen at this point in his career, like

15:12

four years in his career, of like

15:14

when to snap off these routes. And you mentioned like the

15:16

quick twitch part of it. So that

15:18

that I think will be the most interesting thing with with

15:21

Marvin Harrison and Kyler Murray, because we just haven't seen him

15:23

do that yet. So I

15:25

think that will be a fascinating thing to track with this

15:27

player in particular. But all right, 1.03.

15:29

Matt Waldman, who are we

15:31

going with at 1.03? So we're

15:33

looking at this as a new team here, right?

15:36

Yeah, yeah, total, total, these are all like that

15:38

within their own little entities. All right. So

15:40

then, you know, I'm looking at Malik neighbors at

15:42

this point. And you know, I hate the I

15:44

hate for Malik neighbors that he's a New York

15:46

child right now. He seems to be the idea

15:49

that child. But

15:51

I think, but I

15:53

think all time great

15:56

press conference, where he just like butchers

15:58

the starting quarterback's name. Yeah,

16:00

because he's hoping he's hoping to God that

16:02

true lock is in the corner. What a

16:05

tough way to be like you got to hope for true

16:07

law. I'm telling you, you

16:09

know, but that's, I think that's probably what's

16:11

going on is when you're in your pre,

16:14

when you're in your pre draft visit and

16:16

you're on air, you're on camera saying, you

16:18

know, don't draft me. Um, unless

16:20

you, unless you got a, someone who's going to be

16:22

able to get me the ball and

16:24

now they draft you. I mean, this could be

16:26

a disaster. I understand. But at the same point,

16:29

you re I think at this stage

16:31

you rely on talent. And when you're looking at

16:33

overall talent, not just on fit, but

16:36

just overall what a player can do, I

16:38

think he's the best player of the skill

16:40

players in this draft, I think he's the

16:42

best route runner in terms of the

16:45

selection and application

16:47

of release movements with his footwork and

16:50

his hand. I think he

16:52

tells the most efficient stories as

16:54

a route runner with his stems, like

16:56

the types of stems that you should

16:59

be using on certain types of routes.

17:01

He's not playground with how he moves.

17:03

He, he, he's very efficient and he's

17:05

very, he has really great selection and

17:07

a great vocabulary of moves that he

17:09

can, you can use in during the

17:11

stem, during the top of the route,

17:13

and then he can make all the

17:16

breaks you want them to make. And

17:18

he is tough at the catch point and

17:20

quick Twitch after the catch. I mean, I

17:23

don't, I don't know if Antonio Brown is

17:25

a great comparison for him, but I thought

17:27

Odell Beckham was a good comparison for him.

17:29

You know, when you look at the, at

17:31

the skill set and he's going to be

17:34

the man right away, I think he's the most equipped

17:36

to have to be the man right away. It doesn't

17:38

mean it's going to translate to

17:40

four. I think any of these receivers who were

17:42

the top three, if you're expecting

17:45

1400 yards and you're trading your entire

17:47

like house, so like get these

17:49

guys to say you have them, you've made a

17:51

mistake, especially in this deep of a draft

17:54

class. So that's why I kind of like mentioned

17:56

with Marvin Harrison, some of the things I

17:59

did because I'm. But I don't train three

18:01

first round picks to get them. So I

18:03

mean, like if no one's people are going

18:05

to soak you to get this guy,

18:07

if he lands, if you happen to have the,

18:09

the pick to get them good for you, if

18:11

you didn't just build a good

18:14

team, you know, because you might build

18:16

enough surplus that you could get Harrison

18:18

for less two to three years from

18:20

now, then you are probably going to

18:22

have to pay for him in a

18:24

rookie draft. So with neighbors, it's kind

18:26

of neighbors, the it's not as

18:28

much of a demand for him. But I

18:30

think the gap between him and Harrison is

18:32

minimal. And, you know,

18:34

look, if Darius Layton can

18:36

like have like borderline fantasy

18:39

level production, um, I think

18:41

Malik neighbors can exceed that pretty, pretty

18:43

easily. Even first year. Well,

18:46

I think the fun part about neighbors is that

18:48

he's equipped to be the man in like a

18:50

very different way than these other two guys are

18:52

just because of how he's going to line up,

18:54

right? Like his alignment data is very different than

18:57

Roma Dunsey or Marvin Harrison, right? And like, they're

18:59

going to be able to hide, like you talk

19:01

about, there's really no way to hide Marvin

19:03

Harrison because you're going to use him, right? And get

19:05

the best out of him. You're going to have to

19:07

put him on the boundary and you're going to have

19:09

to have him run out as that extra receiver. I

19:12

think if you did that with Malik neighbors, you that's

19:14

like certifiably crazy. You're not, you're not doing that. Like

19:16

you're going to be able to hide him as like

19:18

a, in condensed formations, you're going to be able to

19:21

like put him off the line of scrimmage, scrimmage, give

19:23

him some of those free releases and like, I mean,

19:26

Daniel Jones can mess that up, but you've

19:28

got to work really hard to mess that

19:30

up. So like, I think that that

19:32

is what, if you're looking for instant impact from Malik

19:34

neighbors, that's the story you have to tell yourself, but

19:36

I do agree with you that overall, and

19:39

like, you know, there are some receivers that landed

19:41

in some interesting spots that we'll talk about here

19:43

shortly that could produce more in year one than

19:45

neighbors or Roma Dunsey just cause of the target

19:47

competition. Yep. No doubt.

19:49

All right. My next pick here is tough

19:53

because I just talked about a lot of

19:55

the reasons why I don't want to go

19:57

with Jaden Daniels over Marvin Harrison and I.

20:00

don't really want to take him over. I

20:04

really don't want to take him over the receiver. I

20:06

really want to go with here. I don't. But

20:09

at the same time, I am

20:11

a coward. And I'm going to repeat all of

20:13

the analysis

20:16

that I basically just said earlier,

20:18

which is the margin for error

20:21

with a guy like Jayden Daniels in fantasy,

20:23

just because he is going to run is

20:26

it's just wide. Okay,

20:28

like, I think I'm not like,

20:31

if you had taken Jayden Daniels here, there's no

20:33

way I'm considering Drake may over the receiver that

20:35

I really want to take. Okay, so like, let's

20:37

just get that out of the way. I'm not

20:40

so super flex pill that like, I'm just going

20:42

to go with quarterbacks here no matter what. But

20:44

I think because Daniels presents an opportunity for rushing

20:46

upside. And also, I do

20:48

think he maps pretty well to the

20:51

scheme that I expect him to run

20:53

in Washington. And I think he fits

20:55

well stylistically with those receivers that are

20:57

there and Terry McGorn and Johan Dachsen.

21:01

I think Cliff Kingsbury for all my questions

21:03

about him, he can design a pretty good

21:05

run game. So even if

21:07

I'm not a believer long term in Jayden

21:09

Daniels, I am a believer

21:11

in the like immediate impact of him from

21:13

a pure fantasy perspective. So hey, if I

21:15

take him here at 104, maybe

21:18

I look to trade him at some point. I

21:20

like Jayden Daniels overall, I don't want to come off like a

21:22

Jayden Daniels hater. But that's just kind of the way I'm thinking

21:24

about this. What is your evaluation

21:26

of Jayden Daniels here as like a top

21:29

four rookie dynasty pick? Yeah,

21:31

I'm kind of like, I would say

21:33

I'm neutral to neutral good on that

21:35

end for Jayden Daniels and the standpoint

21:37

of that. He's in that

21:39

range of scores for the RSP where it's

21:41

like, I see why he can become a

21:44

starter and a good one. I also see

21:46

how they can fail that

21:48

like he could fail that

21:50

and the pocket. The

21:52

pocket management is okay, could get

21:55

worse, could get a little bit

21:57

better mainly because he's a slower

21:59

processor than people give him credit for.

22:01

I've heard some people say he's a fast

22:03

processor and he makes full field reads and

22:05

he does make full field reads occasionally when

22:07

he wasn't told or when he didn't get

22:09

in his mind later in the season to

22:11

become a one or two read guy and

22:13

leave. But he also makes what I

22:16

call tragic common type of

22:18

reads where he gets to

22:20

that second read and he has time for the third

22:23

and he has space for the third that

22:25

he's created and he should look at, he

22:27

should know the route and the coverage and

22:29

say, oh, one more beat and

22:31

that's there. And instead he turns

22:33

just as the, the, the, the receiver's breaking

22:35

open and ends up running and usually ends

22:37

up running like Marcus Marriotta

22:40

or Robert Griffin like in stages of

22:42

their career that isn't always great. He's

22:44

not a, he's not Lamar Jackson. He's

22:46

not Lamar Jackson in the pocket. He's not

22:49

Lamar Jackson processing. He's not Lamar Jackson as

22:51

a runner, but Robert Griffin

22:53

had his best Marcus

22:56

Marriotta exceeding or

22:58

in his first game, you know,

23:00

maybe, you know, ever, maybe

23:02

he could have that kind of career. I

23:04

think that there's hope for him there, especially

23:07

in the offense that he's in with the

23:09

weapons that he's got. He has a chance

23:11

to level up fast. So it's an understandable

23:13

pick for me, but I'm going to say

23:15

this Matt Harmon, I'm running up to the

23:17

podium now, you know, I'm running

23:20

up to the podium and I'm saying, listen, I

23:23

know because, you know, I'm,

23:25

I'm not broadcasting my thoughts to

23:27

anybody else. Usually in any type of draft,

23:29

I know Michael Pentex is going to be

23:31

there for me. Most, most likely it's in

23:34

a lot of leads at this point, probably

23:36

second or at the end of the third

23:38

round, probably end of the third round in

23:40

a lot of drafts and super flex probably

23:42

somewhere in the second round, I'll take my

23:44

chances and if I lose out on a

23:47

quarterback, I don't care because I'm going to

23:49

build a surplus of studs. And if I

23:51

don't win right away, that's okay. Because if

23:53

I get a ton of good receivers and

23:55

backs, I can get the quarterback I want

23:58

even big career. So I'm getting Roman. You

24:01

know, I'm going to,

24:03

I mean, I'm getting the guy who was

24:05

in the best situation. He's got the best

24:07

quarterback of this group. He's got

24:09

a team that's learned their lesson. He's

24:11

got DJ Moore at the apex

24:14

of his career right now, who's figured out

24:16

how to make boundary catches. He's

24:18

got Keenan Allen, who when healthy enough is

24:20

still playing at peak production. He's going to learn

24:22

from Allen for a year. He's

24:25

basically got Aaron Rogers, Jr.

24:27

in Chicago. He's basically

24:29

Devontae Adams, Jr. in Chicago. And

24:31

he's going to be in the Devontae

24:34

Adams situation to learn. So he may

24:36

not be productive this year on

24:38

a level of neighbors in Harrison, but he's going

24:41

to be super efficient because they're going to get

24:43

to move him around. Williams is

24:45

going to get, defense has to pick their

24:47

poison and he's going to soak up all

24:49

that greatness that he's got from those two

24:52

other players and continue working. And

24:54

I mean, and if one of those guys gets hurt,

24:56

he's a, he's a thousand yard receiver now and he's

24:58

not even as good as he could be. So

25:01

yeah, I don't care. I'll take the bowl

25:03

again this year and get Roma do today.

25:07

Yeah, I suck. Uh, I

25:09

definitely should have just taken Rome at my

25:11

previous pick there for all the reasons you

25:13

just said. And like, man, I, I really

25:15

went hard back and forth Waldman in terms

25:17

of who I liked more between my number

25:20

one receiver, Marvin Harrison, a Roma doomsday. I

25:22

love Rome. I'm so excited about him as

25:24

a player. And I'm glad you

25:26

said like he's in the best situation because yeah, he

25:28

might have like, like

25:31

he might not have the production that we want

25:33

this year, but at the same time, there's also

25:35

a lot of like contingent value there as Keenan

25:37

Allen gets hurt again. Right. And

25:39

like, what if they just get into camp and like,

25:41

you know, who's better this year? Like Roma doomsday, like

25:43

he might, that, that is possible. Just where Keenan Allen

25:46

is at this point in his career and the routes

25:48

you want him running anyways, like he's going to be

25:50

those he's Keenan Allen is

25:52

ideally going to run those like layup routes and

25:54

give the quarterback a reliable target underneath. You're telling

25:56

me that Caleb Williams is going to be reading

25:58

that before he's going to be the Roma

26:00

Dunes day routes? I don't think so pal.

26:02

And I think he's gonna be on the

26:04

field Roma Dunes day like 80 plus percent

26:06

of the routes. I'd be at least 70

26:09

percent. I'd be stunned. Like he's not Jackson

26:11

Smith and Jigba who I know both you

26:13

and I liked last year. But

26:15

JSN is a slot guy. Like Roma Dunes day is

26:17

not. This is not a similar situation. So yeah,

26:20

great frickin' pick pal.

26:22

I regret it already.

26:25

And now because especially now I'm looking

26:28

at the board like this is not

26:30

fun here at the sixth pick because

26:32

I like I'm not

26:36

that excited about the Bowers landing spot. I

26:38

think it's a little early for my receiver

26:41

four or five. So

26:43

like I guess I just I guess I just

26:46

got I mean, jeez, I guess I just got

26:48

to close my nose and like take one of

26:50

these quarterbacks here between Drake May and JJ McCarthy.

26:52

And you could really tell I'm super convicted on

26:54

this and I feel great about it. I

26:58

think I'll go ahead and take Drake May. I

27:00

know you're not super high on May. So I'm

27:03

curious what you think about this. But I

27:05

do at least really believe in New England's commitment

27:07

to develop him the right way. The fact that

27:09

the first thing they say after they draft him

27:12

is like we could start to Kobe reset this

27:14

year and like look, teams say that all the

27:16

time and they never do it. So that's possible.

27:19

But I'm geez, I really do

27:21

like the players ceiling. I like the projectable

27:23

ceiling you see out of him. I do

27:26

have questions about how consistently he's going to

27:28

do it from a year one perspective. And

27:30

most importantly here Waldman, I like what they've

27:32

done at the receiver position in

27:34

the draft this year. I like Polk,

27:36

I like Baker as second and fourth

27:39

round picks. So I could easily have

27:41

really screwed myself here and just really

27:44

struck out. So if you were

27:46

in my position here, would you have taken May

27:48

McCarthy or somebody else? I

27:51

would have considered McCarthy, but I probably

27:53

would have taken somebody else. And I

27:55

probably would have said forget it with

27:57

the quarterback. I mean, I know that people are.

28:00

They look at Drake May and they

28:02

see he looks like someone out of

28:04

central casting for what an NFL team

28:06

wants from a quarterback He

28:09

also sold it all the other quarterbacks

28:11

I mentioned that haven't worked out like

28:13

Janial Jones and you know and

28:17

drew lock and Mitchell

28:19

Trubisky and Zach Wilson and you know the

28:21

line it goes on down the line the

28:23

thing with Drake May is this is is

28:27

He's a flow processor. He drifts in

28:29

and out of the pocket too much

28:31

His his accuracy does not work well

28:33

for me from a charting standpoint He's

28:35

just he and it's then it's rooted

28:37

in that the speed inaccurate the speed

28:39

and accuracy of what he's reading

28:41

and getting it Out confidently just isn't

28:44

there too often. He's tough He's

28:46

tough and he's gonna need to be tough if he

28:48

ends up playing in New England early I

28:51

hope for his sake for

28:53

his development because you root for these guys I

28:56

hope that you Kobe Brissett gets to play a

28:58

full year because this Elliott

29:01

Wolf thinks he's enacting the Green Bay

29:03

Packers plan But I would

29:05

argue that Jordan Love had three

29:07

years to get the

29:10

bandwidth Small enough so

29:12

that when he's on the field He's not worrying about

29:14

being in the new town having a lot of money

29:17

being famous Learning the

29:19

playbook learning the complexity of

29:21

defenses read addressing

29:23

all sorts of fundamental things

29:26

about his throwing and

29:28

his movement as a player and Accumulating

29:31

to the speed of the game because he

29:33

got that an intermittent level of starts while

29:35

playing behind Aaron Rodgers And then when he

29:37

got to be the starter all that stuff

29:39

was in place He didn't have to overthink

29:42

his game wasn't slow on the field when

29:44

he had bumps in his game he

29:46

was able to correct them pretty quickly

29:48

because he wasn't questioning everything and He

29:52

oh, yeah He had young receivers who had

29:54

one to two years of experience or no

29:56

experience at that point But he already had

29:58

three years on them Drake If he

30:00

gets put in right now, it's him

30:03

and rookie receivers. Yeah, a

30:05

lot of kids, that to me, they're all

30:07

getting put in the frying pan. So it's

30:09

like, it could work, but I'm

30:12

looking at Drake May and I feel

30:14

like he's the most likely to be

30:16

the next true Biscay scenario

30:20

because he's going to get rushed. And

30:22

I just don't believe New England, when

30:24

they say it, I want proof before

30:27

we go there. That's a

30:29

fair point. And the biggest thing that

30:31

holds me back from thinking they can pull this

30:33

Jacobi Versett thing off is just ownership

30:36

wants to see the new quarterback. That

30:39

happens all the time across the league. We know

30:41

New England is not the most patient.

30:44

They can say they're patient, whatever. They're not a

30:46

patient environment because of the success they've had there.

30:48

All right. So I hate

30:50

myself for what just happened in the last

30:52

three picks there. Take someone here

30:55

seventh off the board, Waldman, and try to give me

30:57

a break on this one. Man,

31:00

but you're my friend. I love you. But

31:02

this is draft time. So

31:06

I'm going with Lad McConkie right

31:08

here. I mean, listen, he's

31:12

sitting there and you expect me.

31:15

I went to the University of Georgia. I used

31:17

to cover those guys back in the day. I

31:19

lived there for 20 years in Athens. I'm

31:22

not going to take Lad McConkie. I mean, come

31:24

on. I got to do that on behalf of

31:26

my people. So listen, Greg

31:29

Roman is going to be running that offense,

31:31

right? We saw what he did

31:35

with Baltimore. They like to throw to the

31:37

middle of the field. Gene and

31:39

Allen's gone. Josh Herbert is really good at

31:42

throwing in the middle of the field and

31:45

being able to work with slot receivers. I

31:47

think Lad McConkie is going to play that

31:49

slot flanker role. He's

31:52

going to get free releases off the line of

31:54

scrimmage. With that footwork, he's really good at that.

31:56

He's a little less proven with using his hands.

32:00

He's not going to have to do that as

32:02

much. He's going to get a lot of those

32:04

types of alignments that you just described with Malik

32:06

neighbors. He's probably going to be the volume leader

32:08

because Quentin Johnson kind of has that

32:12

Josh Norris like profile photo

32:14

on Twitter

32:16

where he's imitating Ricky Bobby and doesn't know

32:18

what to do with his hands when the

32:20

ball arrives. And that's been an

32:23

issue and he's year two now he's not

32:25

a first round draft pick. He's a year

32:27

two guy who can't hold onto the football

32:29

with Jim Harbaugh coming onto the field and

32:31

they've got Brendan Rice who may clap attack

32:34

a little bit, but he's still, um,

32:36

a much better player than what

32:38

his draft status would likely

32:40

lead you to believe because this receiver class

32:43

is so rich. Um, and

32:46

you know, Josh Palmer, you know, fine,

32:48

you know, last year of his contract,

32:50

he's not going to drop a lot of balls.

32:53

I don't think so. He'll, he can be helpful

32:55

to an extent. But the production leader is going

32:57

to be loud. The coffee in this offense, and

32:59

it's going to be built on efficiency.

33:01

They're going to use a lot of RPOs. They're going to

33:03

use a lot of screen stuff. And

33:05

he's great at running, um, setting

33:09

up blocks. He's got great footwork and really

33:11

has a good feel for hugging blocks and

33:13

setting up space, and then he's

33:15

a great double move guy too. And

33:17

you know, Justin Herbert off play action

33:19

is deadly. So Kong,

33:21

McCaukey's to me, like I debated not,

33:23

I debated early on is lab, a

33:26

cocky, not maybe one of the top

33:28

three guys based on landing spot at

33:30

the receiver position, he might be, if

33:32

someone took him number one overall, I

33:34

would say it's ballsy, but I, but

33:36

I don't have an argument for you.

33:38

I mean, he could easily lead rookies

33:41

in receiving yards this year easily. Um,

33:43

just based on the landing spot for

33:45

those top three guys, especially neighbors and

33:47

a dune's day and just like the,

33:49

what he got dropped into for McCaukey

33:51

here. So yeah, I love this pick. Um,

33:54

I'm not going to go quarterback at this next

33:56

one. I'm going to go with Brian Thomas Jr.

33:58

Here at LSU. Um, but

34:02

there seems to be some trepidation about,

34:04

you know, are there too many mouths

34:06

to feed in this Jacksonville Jaguars offense,

34:08

like Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram and

34:11

Gabe Davis now. And now they add

34:13

Brian Thomas. Like, is he gonna, is

34:15

he too samey with what you want

34:17

to use Gabe Davis to do? Well,

34:19

I would counter with this. They've

34:22

been feeding those mouths for the last few years.

34:25

Kirk and Ingram at a very high

34:27

volume, um, especially Ingram. And like, how's

34:29

that going for you, Jacksonville? How's

34:31

that going for you feeding those mouths? Like maybe

34:33

it's time to get somebody else a bigger plate

34:36

here. And I think that's why they take Brian

34:38

Thomas. I think he offers something that

34:40

none of the receivers do on this roster, which is

34:42

like a true ability to separate

34:44

at all three levels to win against

34:47

press coverage. I love the way his

34:49

release moves grew as the season went

34:51

on. Like I thought you saw on

34:53

the job development with Brian Thomas. His

34:56

ability against press is the thing that really made

34:58

him a first round receiver in my

35:00

rankings. And that's just

35:03

not something they've had in Jacksonville, even Calvin

35:05

Ridley. Like that's what he struggled with last

35:07

year. So love the pick of

35:09

Brian Thomas for Jacksonville. And I think he

35:11

will, like, I think again, it's good that he

35:13

has other guys there that he doesn't have to be

35:16

the man right away. Cause I think that would have

35:18

been problematic for him. But at the end of the

35:20

day, I think he's clearly the most dangerous receiver in

35:22

Jacksonville. And I could see us very like,

35:24

even if it's a slow burn for him, I can

35:26

see us coming off the season and being like, oh

35:29

yeah, he's, he's ready to soar in 25

35:31

and beyond. Yeah,

35:33

I think so too. And I'm in the same

35:35

spot with you. I think it's a really good

35:37

pick. Brandon Angelo and I

35:39

were talking about it last night on our

35:41

podcast and he, he mentioned Thomas has probably

35:43

been fearing that he might be

35:46

a slow burn to start, but I'm okay

35:48

with that in dynasty league. I mean, really,

35:50

you know, three

35:52

years from now is a very different window than what

35:54

we're talking about today. And I

35:56

think that you don't take a guy this early and

35:58

with his skills, he's very. good after the

36:00

catch as well. He's going to become

36:03

a complete route runner. I think he's

36:05

on his way to doing that already.

36:07

And everything that you said I'm totally

36:09

on board with. And that kind of

36:11

gives me like, pause now

36:13

when I'm gonna draft because like, I,

36:17

you know, I love watching AFC West

36:19

football. And there's a couple of

36:21

AFC West guys, I'm really kind of torn between

36:23

and I feel like whoever I leave on the

36:25

field, whoever I leave here, I'm going

36:28

to kind of regret that I'm not going to get a

36:30

chance at them. But

36:32

I think I'm going to roll with

36:34

Xavier Worthy. Okay. And, and

36:36

this is not normally the guy I

36:38

would pick. There's another guy, the other

36:40

guy in the AFC West, I probably

36:43

would have taken ahead of him. But

36:45

I just it, I go back and forth

36:47

on these guys. I'm a

36:49

worthy fan. I believe he's more of

36:51

a Deshaun Jackson type of player than

36:53

a Jameson Williams type of player. Or

36:58

more of an maybe an Isaac Bruce for

37:00

some of our old heads like me who

37:02

remember, you know, having him on our fantasy

37:04

teams. Xavier Worthy is,

37:07

I think he runs good routes inside. I

37:09

think he makes strong

37:12

plays in the middle of the field

37:14

against tight coverage. He gets ping pong

37:16

off defenders. He's physical. Now, I'm

37:19

not saying he's going to go out there and

37:21

seek it out and be crazy about it at

37:23

his size. But he understands how to deal in

37:25

that realm. And he fights the ball a little

37:28

bit. You watch him and there's a little bit

37:30

of, but then you

37:32

go and watch his best work and you

37:34

watch a lot. You just look at the

37:36

volume of really strong work that's out there.

37:39

And he, he makes very

37:41

tough catches in the technically sound

37:43

way. So I,

37:46

you know, in this offense

37:48

with Reishi Rice's legal issues,

37:51

Sky Moore basically, you know, probably in

37:53

the hit the road jack phase of

37:55

his career, every people

37:57

get logo scouting. You

38:00

know, they look at what happened with more they

38:02

look at cadaerias tony like you you need a

38:04

drink with more I probably need to drink with

38:06

tony. Um, you know michole hardman

38:09

I never even understood by why people were

38:11

saying tyree kill part two But

38:13

I think zavier worthy is

38:15

legit and and i'm okay

38:17

with taking shots With who's

38:20

gonna be the guy for patrick mahomes

38:22

to finally be the guy who like

38:24

figures it out To

38:26

be like learn all three

38:28

positions quick enough be able

38:30

to make all the adjustments that need to be

38:32

made and grow and continue

38:35

to grow with the mid-career all-timer

38:37

and I I

38:39

think worthy is is a good contender for

38:41

that throne some of those other guys I

38:44

didn't draft nearly as high but I'll take my shot

38:46

here with worth me. Yeah worthy lines up

38:48

in terms of my receiver board This is where

38:50

I have him wide receiver six Among

38:52

the rookies from a post draft perspective now pre

38:54

draft. He wasn't this high for me Because

38:57

I do have questions about like his ability

38:59

to play against press I'd have his questions

39:02

in terms of planning contested situations, but i'm

39:04

with you that like from a route running

39:06

standpoint He's much further along than some of

39:08

these typical speed based busts, right? Like your

39:11

success rate versus man in zone is pretty

39:13

solid like where you'd kind of want from

39:15

a to me I thought he was like

39:17

a priority second round player, but he goes

39:19

to kansas city here I

39:22

think he will be my prediction is that he ends up

39:24

being a better real life player for kansas city than a

39:26

fantasy player Just because like he's gonna

39:28

open up so much for these other guys. He's

39:30

gonna he's gonna have big moments But I think

39:32

it will sort of come in spurts But here

39:34

at this point your rookie draft like you're just

39:37

trying to get a usable player and I think

39:39

Xavier worthy will be a usable player This

39:42

is just the thing about like white white and I know you do a

39:44

great job of this with the rsp is like Post

39:46

draft versus pre-draft analysis for

39:48

me. Xavier worthy like if he had gone to 25

39:52

teams in the league i'd have been like oh I

39:55

don't know about that, but he goes to this

39:57

one and I feel pretty good about how he's going to

39:59

be deployed in this offense. So that brings me

40:01

here to the 10th pick. You talk about

40:03

the other AFC West guy. This is, it's

40:05

Brock Bowers time for me. Okay,

40:07

so look, I get it. Questions

40:10

about this offense in terms of just like,

40:13

there's a lot of, there's actually kind of a lot of

40:15

guys here in this offense, right? We know they want to run

40:17

the ball a ton. Devontae Adams is still a guy that's going

40:19

to command 140 plus targets in a season

40:22

off the bus. I love Jacobi Meyers, one

40:24

of the most underrated receivers in the league. Michael Mayer is

40:26

not a bad player. Michael Mayer is pretty good.

40:29

And like we're asking Gardner Minshew to

40:31

elevate all these guys along with Brock

40:33

Bowers, Aiden O'Connell. That

40:35

I don't love, but this is, that's year one,

40:37

okay? I think the

40:39

Raiders, with all those cast of characters I

40:42

just talked about and the culture that seems

40:44

super appealing for, with what Antonio

40:46

Pierce is building there, are they not going

40:48

to be like the most attractive destination for

40:50

a veteran quarterback or like a rookie

40:52

quarterback trade up at some point next year? Like

40:55

Dak Prescott and a Raiders jersey start to

40:57

photoshops, bro, because like people are going to

40:59

be saying that all year long. So in

41:01

that case, yeah, Bowers, maybe not

41:03

set up to producing year one, but like you hopefully

41:05

are not relying on him at this point. Oh, there

41:08

you go. Waldman is showing me the Raiders hat here.

41:11

So yeah, let's put the hat on Brock

41:13

Bowers here for Harmon's fake dynasty team. Yeah,

41:16

I love it. I mean, that's the guy who

41:18

I was thinking I kind of have pangs of

41:20

regret that I left him on the board, you

41:22

know, but it's one of those

41:24

scenarios that you

41:28

know, I just looked at it as are

41:30

they going to find the quarterback and that's,

41:32

and that may have been at least today,

41:34

you know, in five minutes, I would, I'm

41:37

going to leave this conversation and go, I'm

41:39

going back to having Brock Bowers sixth on

41:41

my board, you know, but, but it's one

41:43

of those deals where, you

41:46

know, for a time there's sometimes I think about and

41:48

go, well, listen, I was a, I

41:50

was a huge Steve McNair fan and the

41:52

Titans fan for a while until they, they

41:54

got rid of him on ceremoniously and

41:58

they have not found a quarterback since. If

42:00

you really look at it, since

42:02

MVP Steve McNair back in

42:04

the mid 2000s, they have Marcus Marriotto

42:10

who had one great game to start

42:12

his career against Tampa Bay. They've

42:14

had Ryan Tannehill who they didn't draft,

42:16

who was serviceable, Will Leves

42:19

and Malik neighbors are

42:21

the other two guys. Malik Willes, but yeah. And then

42:24

like Vince Young before that. Yeah.

42:26

And Vince Young. Yeah. And

42:28

they had a player, but not who they

42:31

wanted to pick. The owner basically countermandered everybody

42:33

who wanted that. They wanted Jay Cutler, which

42:36

probably would have worked out okay if Josh

42:39

McDaniel since think up the mess year two

42:41

in Denver, they had a pro bowl

42:43

player until he came in and did what he did,

42:45

which was basically a phone call telling them

42:47

he was awful and didn't even say hello.

42:49

I was told this by Ted Zunquist, the

42:52

GM, at the time who was in the

42:54

room and he turned and looked at everyone

42:56

was like, trying to look at his agency.

42:58

Can you trade me? Just trade me now.

43:00

Yeah. For real. I

43:02

mean, yeah. So anyway, yeah, I

43:04

looked at Bowers and he's

43:07

someone that he, I mean, he reaccelerates

43:10

past cornerbacks who are on the

43:12

same side of the field as him. That's

43:14

a, to me, he reminds me of

43:17

two players. One is every

43:20

analytics fan,

43:23

analyst dream of a player who may not

43:25

always had been great in

43:27

the stat column, Vernon Davis. He's

43:29

got a little bit of Vernon Davis to his game. And then the

43:32

guy that nobody likes to

43:34

bring up, but we're compartmentalizing this

43:36

to football, Aaron Hernandez. He

43:38

has the skills to be a do

43:41

it all player like Hernandez. And

43:43

he is, and he has some

43:45

of that high end speed and ability to

43:47

win the ball like Vernon Davis. Yeah.

43:51

I love, I love both like that range of comps

43:53

there with those two guys. And again, like Raiders

43:55

get a quarterback and we're, we're flying here with Brock Bowers.

43:57

I realize that just, yeah, just not on the table. I'm

44:00

stable right now, but overall I feel like that's good. Couple

44:04

things here. We've got two more picks in the first round.

44:07

I'm an idiot for even thinking there was a chance where we're going to

44:09

do three rounds. There's no way we're going to do that. I

44:13

bet we can if we go fast. Well, we're not

44:15

going to go fast. We're not going to go fast.

44:17

Let's just see how the second round goes, pal. So

44:19

we might have to go faster the second round. But

44:21

all right, you're up here with the 11th pick in

44:23

the first round. Who are we going with? I'm

44:26

okay. 11th pick in the first

44:28

round. I'm just going to go ahead and

44:30

take the chance. And I'm going to

44:32

go with Keon Coleman. And I know that this is

44:34

a gut, you know, it's a, I

44:37

like Keon Coleman and I'm unapologetic about

44:39

it. I've, I've heard your great

44:41

analysis about him in the sense that,

44:44

you know, he's not much of a separator

44:46

according to the metrics and the studies that

44:48

you've done with him. And I

44:50

looked at him and I felt like he could go either

44:52

way. I thought he was one of

44:54

those players that if he lands with a

44:56

certain quarterback who doesn't have anticipation, who doesn't

44:58

throw the ball in the tight windows in

45:01

that level, that he's going to

45:03

be that second read guy who's never open

45:06

to that, to that player. Like if he

45:08

was with Kyler Murray, who had not like

45:11

move in the pocket without dropping his head

45:13

and running and doing like fire

45:15

drill type of antics, then

45:19

he would be bad there. But

45:21

with Josh Allen, who can actually move

45:23

efficiently in the pocket, but also break

45:25

and buy time, Keon Coleman's better at

45:27

being able to find

45:29

openings and create on the movie. He

45:31

did it with Jordan Travis pretty much

45:34

all the time. He's also going

45:36

to be used a little more in the middle of

45:38

the field. And if he's used outside, which Billy Bean

45:40

did mention that we're going to use him for a

45:42

bit outside, I thought he did

45:44

a good job of at least from

45:46

a film standpoint, purely of getting that

45:50

step or half a step on a player. You

45:52

know, now that may not qualify as open in

45:54

a lot of things that we look at, but

45:56

when I'm projecting for like the best in

45:59

the league. Getting that step to

46:01

half a step is fine as long

46:03

as you have that quarterback who has

46:05

the courage to throw the ball and

46:08

we and i'm watching josh allen have

46:10

the courage to throw those balls to

46:12

clear as a rookie and secure make

46:14

those play. I think keon

46:17

coleman to me as a like

46:19

a ball catcher if we had a contest

46:21

where like we had to have

46:23

our lives saved basically by somebody

46:25

put a brick wall up and say

46:27

you can go through it around it.

46:30

Under it however you just gotta

46:32

catch this ball to save this person's life now

46:34

we're all probably gonna be dead but you

46:37

know there's a guy i would i would

46:39

pick out of this entire class to win

46:41

and figure out a way it would be

46:43

keon coleman out of everyone because of all

46:45

the way he does. Make

46:48

any smart player who i

46:50

would like i see the route skills and the

46:52

way that he can be efficient and

46:55

i think that. At worst

46:58

case scenario he is what

47:00

everyone who wasn't probably. Fantasy

47:03

analyst thought gabriel davis was gonna turn

47:05

into i think he already

47:07

is that yeah i think and then

47:09

i think he can be more i think

47:11

he can be a michael thomas type player

47:14

in this office. I think if

47:16

they use them outside there's a little

47:18

more and kwon bold into him like early career

47:20

and kwon bold and to him

47:22

that maybe meet the eye and i'm

47:24

not gonna deny with a good quarterback.

47:27

That's gonna work out we just gotta root for your

47:29

kurtis and we will like stay on it and if

47:31

you can stay on it we'll be okay. I mean

47:33

i love kurtis and okay so here's the funny thing

47:35

and i was really look for the key on kon

47:37

conversation i'm glad you just going ahead and done here

47:39

in the first round and this is

47:41

why there's no way we're making around three pal. idiot

47:46

for even suggesting it but so here's here's the

47:48

thing with kon kon i actually agree with a

47:50

lot of what you just said there. Now,

47:53

I think a lot of this is type of

47:55

wide receiver like I don't for

47:57

me I don't want this guy that we're gonna have.

48:00

to give the, like, all right, he could be

48:02

Anquan Bolden to be my top outside receiver. That's

48:04

just not for me. But

48:06

also to your point, that's not for

48:08

me on like 30 NFL teams, like

48:11

either Holmes or Josh Allen, I think it can work,

48:13

right? And I think that's the thing

48:15

is that you see Coleman go to Buffalo, you're like,

48:17

all right, well, if somebody's gonna make it work from

48:19

a receiver, then I do think we'll struggle to be

48:21

a above average separator in

48:23

the NFL. I think even if he hones

48:25

everything correctly, I think he could be in

48:28

that like, Mike Williams

48:30

range as a separator, which,

48:32

you know, we see Mike Williams be a

48:35

productive player in the NFL. Like, I think

48:37

he gets, I think Williams gets undersold as

48:39

like a separator. I think he gives you

48:41

enough, right? Like it's enough to be a

48:43

top outside receiver. It's especially if you have

48:45

a volume sponge in the slot. So, but

48:48

I think that's like, that's where I'm at from

48:51

a ceiling perspective with Keon Coleman. I will say

48:53

though, like, I'm with you that,

48:55

you know, again, I've said this all draft season,

48:58

people are gonna see if they're route chart

49:00

and see some of the red and just

49:02

be like, he sucks. He definitely doesn't suck.

49:04

And I've said that consistently when talking about

49:06

Coleman. He works the middle

49:08

of the field well. You know, you look at his dig

49:10

routes success rate is really good. Or

49:13

it's average, it's solid 73.1% is pretty

49:15

good. Again,

49:17

solid average score. It's not

49:20

spectacular, but it's fine. He's

49:23

got good hands. I'm with you, like he

49:25

doesn't drop passes. That's gonna

49:27

be appealing for the Bills after living through the

49:29

Gabriel Davis experience. That's gonna be critical.

49:32

I'm with you that he works off script well,

49:34

which is a must for Josh Allen. If you're

49:36

not gonna work, if you're gonna work off script,

49:38

if you're not gonna work off script, you cannot

49:40

play in this Bill's offense. I bet that was

49:42

an appealing thing for Buffalo. And

49:45

like, I think he's underrated after the catch.

49:47

I really think that's why I want him

49:49

to play in this big slot receiver role.

49:51

He was a punt returner in college and

49:54

a good one. A good punt returner. I

49:56

joke he's the Laguerre Blunt of wide receivers,

49:58

which will turn off. A lot of

50:00

guys rules about that but like he's the

50:03

guy you draft, you're going to be for

50:05

any only drafting when everyone tells you that

50:07

is bad and he's can outscore all the

50:09

guys that they drafted to take the is

50:11

that he took ahead of and he's that

50:13

type of guy you know and so yeah.

50:16

I did it again. like you I think

50:18

he is in. The.

50:20

He is is a difficult evaluation good

50:22

like Like you mentioned with reception perception

50:24

like eat history is not on his

50:26

side. There's no question that like the

50:28

guys that separate his level verse man

50:30

press unless they move inside. They.

50:32

Just don't they don't become like

50:35

high quality productive players in the

50:37

league. Your pro. Your process is

50:39

great because it is. It gives

50:41

you a gives people an understanding

50:44

of who the potential outliers are

50:46

because it doesn't love certain players.

50:49

And. What I mean by that is that

50:51

every process. When you have difficult

50:53

players at the you look at you got i

50:55

see where they're good. But. History as

50:58

on their side. You. Know. Those.

51:00

Are guys that you want to monitor and keep

51:02

a close eye on. Their harder to pick but

51:05

they're the ones that if you pick well. They're

51:07

the outliers who went forth but exact

51:10

laugh like if you gave me a

51:12

joke all the time. like. If

51:14

you gave me twenty. Terry Mic

51:16

Lawrence. Like. Pre. Draft to

51:18

study. I'm not writing them

51:20

hi one yards right now. He A

51:22

now because to me, he's the bumble

51:24

bee of wide receivers. Like, literally like

51:27

it's impossible to discuss, should be able

51:29

to fly the weight of all. Yet.

51:31

The amount of residents you know. But

51:33

so was Marvin Harrison Senior. So maybe

51:35

Marvin Harrison Junior learned all this stuff

51:38

for Marvin Harrison Senior and he's gonna

51:40

be fine. but he drops more than

51:42

senior debt south's but that's the point

51:44

is a like. Your. Process

51:46

if you're if someone's gonna like someone

51:48

wants to be good. At. Picking

51:50

wide receivers and past football years as

51:52

the. The. Process of they need to

51:54

look out right away and and then

51:56

as they get as they continue to

51:58

get. The. deeper into the league

52:01

and what they do, they ask the wise

52:03

and look into the nuance of things that you're

52:06

asking the wise about and you go, okay, well,

52:08

here's the guys maybe I should take a chance on

52:10

even if the product isn't good. And

52:13

the thing with Coleman too is like,

52:16

Brennan Bean says he's going to

52:18

play ex-receiver. Okay for now, right?

52:20

Because like, those are the guys that are playing

52:22

that like, you're not playing, I love Curtis Samuel

52:24

and I think he can play outside. You're not

52:27

playing him an ex-receiver. I love Kula Shakir, but

52:29

you're not playing him an ex, okay? Like,

52:32

so, Coleman from a size perspective

52:35

has the skills to do it. He's

52:37

going to block well in the run

52:39

game. He's got the reliable hands and

52:41

like I said, teams want their ex-receivers

52:43

to be working the middle of the

52:45

field and Coleman diagnosed his zone coverage

52:47

really well. Like again, 80.2% success rate

52:49

for zone and reception perception is

52:51

not bad. It's not a bad

52:53

mark. There are clear negatives on his profile. There

52:56

are also clear positives on his profile and I

52:58

think it just depends on what

53:00

you value. So like when I have readers

53:02

or people in my Discord ask like, why

53:04

is Waldman so much higher on Key on

53:06

Coleman than you? I think you value certain,

53:08

like, and you value certain traits. I value

53:10

certain traits and like, again, I think this

53:13

landing spot is good for Coleman and

53:15

like, let's talk in two to three years.

53:17

Like maybe they say, hey, shoot, this is

53:19

not working out from an outside receiver perspective.

53:22

Let's kick him inside. And then like,

53:25

that's kind of how I think his career is going to

53:27

go. I think he probably is like an

53:29

80 target player, maybe 90

53:31

target player in his first year. And

53:34

then the more they build up that receiver core, because

53:36

these guys are temporary players right now. Like

53:38

I love Samuel, I love Shakir, but they're like role

53:40

players. So whoever the next Buffalo

53:43

receiver is maybe helps Coleman a little bit.

53:45

So I think it was a good conversation. I'm glad you

53:47

picked him here so that we can have that. Yeah,

53:49

yeah, for sure. And I'll just add a

53:51

little postscript and just say that, you know, when you look

53:53

at this guy, the same

53:56

thing that people ask me the same thing with you.

53:58

And you know, I would say, listen, I see where

54:00

the downside is. Right. For sure. And

54:02

what I'm, but I'm projecting pre-draft,

54:04

what I'm looking at for is

54:07

where, where can it work and where

54:10

does it work? Correct. And, and

54:12

I could see that scenario and go, he's still

54:14

going to be high because of there's areas for

54:16

where it works. He just happened to land in

54:18

a spot where there's some possibilities there. And the

54:20

way they use the X there, I would bet

54:23

he's also going to be the guy that drifts behind

54:25

the third level a lot on

54:27

Josh Allen because they're going to play a lot of zone

54:30

because Josh Allen wears out man-to-man defenders

54:32

with some out of time he buys.

54:34

So we'll see. Last

54:37

note on this, it's funny because like

54:39

our notes on the player are not very

54:41

different. I

54:43

think you rank, you definitely ranked Coleman higher

54:45

from a pre-draft perspective than I did because

54:47

again, just valuing different traits. I'm

54:51

going to be labeled as the key on Coleman Hader because

54:53

of the route charts. And I love, I love my route

54:55

charts, but it's like, this is why I also hate them

54:57

at the same time. All right. On

55:00

that note, we'll be, I'll be real quick

55:02

here with the 12th pick in the first round. I'm going to

55:04

be super boring and you know,

55:06

actually I'm not going to be super boring.

55:09

I should, I should probably just take JJ

55:11

McCarthy here because he's a quarterback, but I'm

55:13

not going to do that. I'm going to take Jonathan Brooks

55:15

here. It's the 12th overall pick in this

55:18

first round because I'm sick of being boring and taking quarterback.

55:20

What did I take two in the first round? I'm not going to do

55:22

it again. Brooks, I think, I'm

55:25

curious about your opinion. I'm a really good player in my,

55:27

in my mind. I think he's a solid back and

55:29

he's just in a position where he's going to get a lot of work

55:32

in Carolina. I really believe Dave Canals is a good coordinator.

55:34

I believe he wants to run the ball really well. So

55:36

I was thinking I was going to take JJ McCarthy there.

55:39

McCarthy's falling a little bit in our draft here, but I'm

55:41

going to go with Jonathan Brooks because I don't want to

55:44

be boring. I love

55:46

Jonathan Brooks, my favorite running back in

55:48

this class, hoping

55:50

that David Tepper can stay out of the

55:52

way, or maybe they could just put him

55:54

at quarterback for about six minutes and then

55:56

we won't ever have the problem again. You

55:58

know, that's kind of of my vote is that

56:01

maybe if he wants to call plays and

56:03

write them on a napkin, maybe we just put

56:06

them under center for about six snaps. I think

56:08

that's all it will take. And he'll have his

56:10

hat removed at that

56:12

point. And maybe he will let the professionals

56:14

do what they do. But

56:17

Brooks, you know, Brooks for

56:19

me is the guy that

56:22

smartest running back in this class, I

56:24

think, or one of the two smartest

56:26

running backs in terms of scheme versatility

56:29

breaks, a lot of tackles can

56:31

knows how to punish people, whether

56:33

you're the Sean McCoy, Jamal Charles

56:35

in size, or whether you're a

56:37

bigger back, like Brooks, the

56:40

fact that you attack first lead

56:43

allows you to dictate the chain of events

56:45

where you get yards. And he knows how

56:47

to do that. Best pass protector of this

56:49

class too. Easily. So, um,

56:51

you know, the injury concerns me, is he

56:53

going to be Tony Pollard ready, which means

56:55

we're going to get on the field and

56:57

he's going to be dragging his way back

56:59

to health until like late in the season

57:01

and not feel good, but tell everybody feels

57:03

great until the stats weren't there, or

57:06

is he going to, or can they wait a little

57:08

bit longer, or is he going to be young enough

57:10

and return the form, but

57:12

love his game. Think that Carolina Panthers

57:15

have improved a little bit upfront. If

57:17

they can take the next step, which,

57:19

you know, we're leery about, um,

57:22

he could get more opportunities, more red

57:24

zone opportunities than we would project right

57:26

now, but to grow with why not,

57:28

you know, he's got really high outside.

57:38

All right. So we are officially in round two and we

57:40

are going to have to pick up the pace here for

57:42

sure, so we can get through the thing and get you,

57:44

get you out of here, buddy. Um, but all right. So

57:46

you have the first pick in the second round. Who are

57:48

you going with? All

57:50

right. So I hate

57:52

that I'm going to, I hate that

57:55

I'm going to do it because I'm not big

57:57

quarterback. I'm like, I like the

57:59

quarterbacks. class and their potential, but

58:01

super flex. I feel like I'm going to have to

58:03

take one. I'll take JJ McCarthy

58:06

here. It's a great fit with Minnesota

58:08

with the weapons that they have. He's

58:10

a good quick game thrower, great feet,

58:13

someone who I think has a lot of things

58:16

to correct. He has, I

58:18

would say this, I had a quarterback coach

58:21

asked me, is he Zach Wilson

58:23

2.0? And I said, if you're

58:25

going to say iteration 2.0 in

58:27

terms of he has more highs than

58:30

lows, whereas Zach Wilson only had

58:32

lows from, in my opinion, as

58:34

a decision maker, especially in red

58:36

zone, black zone, you

58:38

know, those types of things, reading

58:41

leverage. McCarthy has a lot of

58:43

highs, lot of highs. And I

58:45

think the lows are things he can address and

58:47

get more mature with. You do wonder about his

58:49

downfield accuracy. I didn't see a lot of that.

58:51

And I don't need to see a lot of

58:53

it to chart it well, but I

58:55

didn't even see enough for my own process to

58:57

feel great about it. But I think

59:00

it will probably translate. I think the pro

59:02

day or whatever they saw in workouts was

59:04

probably good enough for them to feel comfortable

59:07

with it. And with that surrounding

59:09

talent, maybe he

59:11

turns into a Jake Plummer type of player

59:13

who has highs and lows, but

59:16

at worst, but I think

59:18

that he's someone that I'll go

59:20

for here, even though maybe

59:22

they wish they had another player themselves,

59:24

even though that trade

59:26

didn't work out. All

59:29

right. So my first pick in the second round here, I was

59:32

a little concerned you might take this guy from

59:34

me, but I'm going with Ricky

59:36

Pearsall here at near the top of the second

59:38

round. This

59:41

is how my receiver board lines up.

59:43

I'm a big Ricky Pearsall fan. I

59:46

had him as my wide receiver. I was

59:48

like stunned by how pissed people were with

59:50

this draft pick just based on my own

59:52

rankings. And like, I shouldn't be because I

59:54

realized I'm not like everybody else, but I

59:57

had him as my wide receiver six in the class. I

59:59

had him. as a fringe first

1:00:01

early second round rank right

1:00:04

where he went. I was

1:00:06

I'm so confused that we're 49ers

1:00:08

fans are pissed about this pick when you

1:00:10

lost the Super Bowl because your other receivers

1:00:12

besides you can't beat man coverage and Ricky

1:00:15

Pearsall is a man beater baby.

1:00:17

Number two in the class in reception perception

1:00:19

and success rate versus man coverage. So

1:00:21

this lines up with my board here and like honestly, Waldman,

1:00:24

I think if Deebo was traded, you

1:00:27

know, tomorrow, he would jump all the way

1:00:29

to wide receiver for for me because it's

1:00:31

the right system for him. Love

1:00:33

the landing spot. You know, maybe that's too

1:00:35

aggressive for some people, but I'm a big

1:00:38

Pearsall fan. And like you look at some

1:00:40

consensus 80 P list, like it's outrageous, like

1:00:42

truly outrageous how low he is. Maybe that

1:00:44

hasn't been recalibrated prior

1:00:47

to the draft. But like I

1:00:49

see some guys ahead of him from a

1:00:51

receiver perspective. I wouldn't even come close to

1:00:53

considering before Ricky Pearsall. I

1:00:56

love Ricky Pearsall to now. I'm a little bit

1:00:58

lower, but at the same time, it's only because

1:01:00

are they going to trade the guys that are

1:01:02

going to be traded? And if they don't, they

1:01:04

play a lot of 22 personnel,

1:01:06

a lot of full back tight end. Maybe

1:01:09

he won't be on the field as often, but

1:01:11

I'd have to think that maybe somebody else gets

1:01:13

taken off the field as good as Ricky Pearsall

1:01:15

can be against man coverage. The only issue is

1:01:18

how much do they want to play a rookie

1:01:20

and how up to speed will he get? If

1:01:22

he gets up to speed quickly, it's not going

1:01:24

to be, it may not be a big problem in year

1:01:26

one, but by year two, either Smith or either Samuel or

1:01:28

Iuk are going to be traded if not both. And he's

1:01:30

going to wind up having to be the man. And

1:01:33

like you said, great man coverage guy.

1:01:35

He would win the Brandon Lloyd catch

1:01:37

invitation on the Mount Waldman RSP Island

1:01:40

if I drop out, he would definitely

1:01:42

be one of the

1:01:44

top odds, early odds favorites for

1:01:46

me, probably moving forward on this

1:01:49

next pick. I'm

1:01:51

probably going to, I'm, I'm

1:01:53

hating it either way because I'm

1:01:56

either going to, my, I have three

1:01:58

players that I'm considering. Two of

1:02:00

them are running backs and, you

1:02:03

know, both are going to have to wait a little bit.

1:02:06

And then there's a player that's probably going to have to

1:02:08

wait a couple of years as well. But

1:02:10

at this point, I'm just going to use the

1:02:12

show that me and Bob Harris do on

1:02:14

Mondays called Feel It or F It. So

1:02:17

I'm just going to say F It and I'm taking

1:02:19

Michael Pennicks Jr. Oh, yeah. Even

1:02:21

though he's probably going to be got, we

1:02:23

could probably take him in round three. If

1:02:26

this weren't, you know, if we weren't setting this up

1:02:29

the way we did, I would probably be able to

1:02:31

take him late round two. But

1:02:33

here at this point, I'm going to look at the other

1:02:35

quarterbacks in this class. And here's how I'm laying out this

1:02:38

argument. I'm going to try and make this as quick as

1:02:40

I possibly can. But I'm going to say it this way.

1:02:43

First of all, there is a huge

1:02:45

demand for quarterbacks next year, rookie quarterbacks

1:02:47

next year, probably up to a dozen

1:02:49

teams. There aren't as

1:02:51

the supply is always low. Okay.

1:02:54

It already looks projectively lower than what it was

1:02:56

this year. Four teams tried to

1:02:58

trade up to get Michael Pennicks

1:03:00

this year. Okay. I

1:03:03

know that Kirk Cousins complained. Okay. You

1:03:05

know, shock. Yeah. Same

1:03:07

guy who was drafted in

1:03:10

the same draft after Robert

1:03:12

Griffin and who wasn't ready

1:03:14

until he was 27 after looking

1:03:17

pretty bad, awful at times, because that's

1:03:19

what happens with young quarterback sometimes. And

1:03:22

he was not as talented as Michael Pennicks Jr. is.

1:03:24

Pennicks is good in the middle of the field. He's

1:03:27

better in the pocket and people realize he really

1:03:29

understands how to climb a pocket, which a lot

1:03:31

of these guys in this class don't do as

1:03:33

well. He's more accurate than

1:03:36

I think people have charted. I've charted him

1:03:38

and I saw a lot better accuracy where

1:03:40

he threw the ball only where receivers needed

1:03:42

to make the plays. And

1:03:44

listen, it's better to pick

1:03:46

a quarterback when you have a quarterback

1:03:49

because you don't have to put them under pressure. He's

1:03:51

in the true Jordan Love Development Plan. And I

1:03:54

know that Kirk Cousins wanted another piece to help

1:03:56

his team, but look at the Atlanta Falcons who

1:03:58

have a great offensive point. a good

1:04:00

offensive line, strong run game with two

1:04:03

deeps with their backs, a Pro Bowl

1:04:05

caliber outside receiver, Pro Bowl caliber tied

1:04:07

in. And last year they had

1:04:09

some up and coming pieces on defense. And

1:04:12

they should have been a playoff team in

1:04:14

that division if they just had a quarterback

1:04:16

and they didn't have to jerry rig a

1:04:18

system to even make their quarterback semi passable.

1:04:20

And that wasn't even working. So

1:04:23

what do they need more another defensive

1:04:25

tackle? Or did they need a

1:04:27

quarterback who have Kirk cousins who in the

1:04:29

same breath that he was disappointed and needed

1:04:31

and they needed an extra piece to contend

1:04:34

now said, I can't break a pocket right

1:04:36

now. He's going to be 36 and

1:04:38

he can't break a pocket. Maybe he'll get better.

1:04:40

They should they put 100 million over

1:04:42

100 million on there. And yes, I know

1:04:44

they needed to explain Arthur Smith, what

1:04:46

was going on. But maybe Arthur Smith shouldn't

1:04:49

have picked Kirk cousins in the first

1:04:51

place to give 100 million guaranteed to and

1:04:53

maybe the coaches in this case, my NGM

1:04:55

might be a little smarter than Arthur Blank

1:04:58

in this particular scenario is brilliant of a

1:05:00

businessman as he was. And

1:05:03

they get a player who could

1:05:06

help them right now if they need

1:05:08

it. And if not, well,

1:05:10

guess what? He gets the intermittent playing

1:05:12

time that helps most players

1:05:14

like oh, Drew Brees and

1:05:17

Tom Brady and oh,

1:05:19

Patrick Mahomes and Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers

1:05:22

and Jordan Love and Steve Young and

1:05:24

the list goes on guys who got

1:05:26

to sit at least a little bit,

1:05:28

he's going to get some of that. And

1:05:30

by year three, he'll be fine if he

1:05:33

and if they wait four years, they're not gonna he'll

1:05:35

be 28. And their cousins was 27. Reeves was 27.

1:05:37

Steve Young was 31 for clarion out loud. So for

1:05:44

me, I look at this and go, you guys

1:05:46

can all tell me that this guy this was

1:05:48

a dumb pick for Atlanta. And that's

1:05:50

fine. I'm gonna go ahead and make off like

1:05:52

a bandit and get Michael Pennick's Jr. Yeah,

1:05:55

like the crux of the

1:05:57

panic, Pennick's pick is your evaluation on

1:05:59

Pennick's. And like Waldman has a very

1:06:01

different view of him than than most people

1:06:03

out there Certainly myself like I've

1:06:06

got questions about panics, but like you're a much

1:06:08

better quarterback evaluator than I am pal so people

1:06:11

should subscribe and make sure they get the

1:06:13

RSP simply for the panics analysis at this

1:06:15

point because it is a Contrary view than

1:06:17

what you're gonna get elsewhere like we can

1:06:21

And I miss I mean I miss on

1:06:23

players. We all miss on players, but I

1:06:25

will say I mean, you know, listen, I've

1:06:27

I've I Didn't like

1:06:29

Zach Wilson. I didn't like, you

1:06:32

know Kenny pick it I didn't like You

1:06:35

know some guys that people were

1:06:37

really high on and we just talked

1:06:39

about Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson so

1:06:42

if I'm contrary, you know, if I'm

1:06:44

contrary on a quarterback it

1:06:46

may not work out but But

1:06:48

I like this guy. I think he's the

1:06:50

second safest quarterback in this class All

1:06:53

right for my pick here fourth pick in

1:06:55

the second round. I will go with Trey

1:06:57

Benson I don't really

1:07:00

like the way Trey Benson sets up talked about

1:07:02

it a lot on the show post draft Maybe

1:07:05

he doesn't start the season because James Connors gonna be there

1:07:07

obviously But he's a really good compliment to James Connor And

1:07:09

I think they're gonna find ways to get him on the

1:07:11

field and like I would not be shocked by the end

1:07:13

of The season whether by injury or just

1:07:16

whatever like he's the starting back for this team and

1:07:18

I think it's an offense on the rise I

1:07:21

love it. Good gap runner good pass

1:07:23

catcher at times. I think he just

1:07:25

has to correct some things He bounces

1:07:27

outside a little too often but he's

1:07:29

in a good system for him to

1:07:31

really develop into a a solid

1:07:34

game breaking high volume threat or

1:07:36

at least a Leadback I'm gonna

1:07:38

go running back again And while

1:07:40

I hate that Sean McBay is

1:07:42

stubborn about his system And

1:07:45

I hate that he doesn't like rookies

1:07:47

and that I heard a running back

1:07:49

on his team last year I

1:07:51

was told that he said that you know

1:07:53

Zach Evans was the man and none of them

1:07:56

understood why he wasn't getting playing Time and I'm

1:07:58

a Zach Evans Stan. I'm taking place Corum

1:08:00

because he reminds me the most of

1:08:02

Ray Rice back in the day a

1:08:05

guy who if he can add a little

1:08:07

weight and stay Explosive can be a lead

1:08:09

back He's the he and Jonathan Brooks are the

1:08:11

two smartest runners in terms of decision-making very

1:08:14

quick creative with his footwork, but

1:08:16

efficient tackle breaker for his size

1:08:18

and I think can give

1:08:20

you an all-around game and They

1:08:22

took him that early either because the GM

1:08:24

and and in McBay aren't on the same

1:08:26

page or they are on the same page

1:08:28

And at this stage, I'm gonna take the

1:08:30

chance and I think Kyron Williams is now

1:08:32

like the Chester Taylor The

1:08:35

guy who had like 1500 total yards before

1:08:37

Adrian Peterson came in and while form is

1:08:39

no Adrian Peterson He

1:08:41

is the guy that's gonna take over and they may

1:08:44

split time this year and be better next year Alright

1:08:47

for my next pick here. I'm tempted to go off

1:08:49

my board, but I'm not going to own a stick

1:08:51

at receiver I'm gonna stick at my board and I'm

1:08:53

going with your main Burton here who

1:08:55

is volatile at this ranking volatile where

1:08:57

I'm taking him but This

1:09:00

might be got me back. This might

1:09:02

be Joe Burroughs number two receiver, you know Like

1:09:06

in in a year from now, I don't think he's gonna

1:09:08

get on the field in year one I think he's prepared

1:09:10

to get on the field. He's pretty pro ready prospect Yeah,

1:09:13

I look big Jermaine Burton fan overall. I know

1:09:16

you are too So

1:09:18

yeah Burton's a guy that I like again I

1:09:20

know this is aggressive, but I was pretty aggressive

1:09:22

like ranked right in the same spot I Jane

1:09:25

Reed last year and Reed worked out because he was

1:09:27

just ready to play in this system I think Burton's

1:09:30

ready to play in this one. Yeah,

1:09:32

I love that pick. He's probably my

1:09:34

favorite talent of The

1:09:36

players that we've talked about who are underrated

1:09:40

The most underrated receiver probably in this class

1:09:43

For fantasy purposes and as T Higgins wants

1:09:45

to go somewhere else He

1:09:47

can he may not do what T Higgins

1:09:49

does best as well as

1:09:52

what T Higgins does best But he

1:09:54

does more than what T Higgins does

1:09:56

and he can actually carry what Jamar

1:09:58

chase does as a replacement to Marche's

1:10:00

better than anybody they have in that. He

1:10:03

can be a number one if they need him to

1:10:05

be. It's not ideal, but he

1:10:07

can play all three roles. And

1:10:10

he's a guy that actually opens

1:10:13

up that offense more on what Zach Taylor likes

1:10:15

to do, and he's gonna get

1:10:17

behind the option. So I really like him there.

1:10:19

I'm gonna go, oh, wow. The

1:10:22

choice is here at this point. There's a

1:10:24

lot of guys that are fascinating,

1:10:26

but I think that at

1:10:28

this stage, just because we'll get a chance to

1:10:30

talk about it, I'm gonna talk about, I'm just

1:10:32

gonna take a chance. I'm gonna be that team

1:10:34

that takes Bo Nicks right here. Oh, boy. And

1:10:37

yeah, people are gonna laugh, you know?

1:10:39

But there's probably other players I would

1:10:42

consider, honestly, like Jalen Wright. Let's go

1:10:44

Jalen Wright. Let's do Jalen Wright. Okay.

1:10:46

Well, I'll just be smart about it.

1:10:48

So say Jalen Wright. All right. He's,

1:10:50

I compared Jalen Wright to Rahim Mostert

1:10:53

pre-draft, and guess who so

1:10:55

saw him as a Rahim Mostert type of

1:10:57

player. He hugs blocks well on

1:11:00

the gap plays, which is very important, which

1:11:02

is something Mostert was great at. He's got

1:11:04

that game-breaking speed. He's a pretty good receiver.

1:11:06

He can give you that space option and

1:11:08

space too, but he works well between the

1:11:10

tackles when he's mature enough with certain decisions,

1:11:12

but he bounces outside too much at times.

1:11:15

He's gonna get a chance with Mostert getting one

1:11:18

more year, and he and A-chan are

1:11:20

probably gonna be the two guys that it's gonna be

1:11:22

the one-two punch. A-chan is just gonna stay in the

1:11:24

same role he is because they're concerned about his side.

1:11:27

Yeah. And I like this pick.

1:11:29

I love the fit with Jalen Wright there. Not a lot of

1:11:31

teams you could have gone to, but this one makes sense. Eighth

1:11:34

pick here. I'm kind of running up

1:11:36

the card for Aidy Mitchell at this point. I

1:11:39

think I was slightly higher on Mitchell than

1:11:41

you were pre-draft, but, and this

1:11:43

landing spot is a little bit like, I

1:11:46

can go either way on it because I think he's

1:11:48

talented enough to be the two, at

1:11:52

least, on this team behind Michael Pittman just

1:11:55

because at his position, extra receiver,

1:11:57

he's not gonna leave the field, whereas Josh...

1:12:00

I love Josh Downs, but just his position is a

1:12:02

slot. He's gonna leave the field at times But

1:12:05

you can also tell me that like he's

1:12:07

a distant third But between like him and

1:12:09

Pittman and downs like I think that's possible

1:12:11

and I like Anthony Richardson But we're

1:12:14

not confident in terms I mean if you I'm confident

1:12:16

in him as from what I saw but like we

1:12:18

can't be like he's not a known

1:12:20

asset Right at this point. We don't know

1:12:22

exactly so I go either way on the

1:12:24

landing spot but ultimately I love

1:12:26

the like Alignment-based

1:12:28

fit for AD Mitchell and

1:12:31

I overall like the talent

1:12:33

not totally sold But

1:12:35

I do like his ability to run routes and get

1:12:37

separation and win at the catch point So

1:12:39

I will go with I'll go AD Mitchell here with

1:12:41

pretty like a pretty solid bit of conviction Yeah,

1:12:44

let me put it to you this way. I

1:12:47

had Anthony Richardson with a slightly higher grade than

1:12:49

Caleb Williams So I love that. No, yeah, I

1:12:51

know. Yeah, you're big you're big on Richardson so

1:12:53

so I think that ad Mitchell has a chance

1:12:55

to To not only

1:12:57

be a high variance Producer

1:13:00

but also maybe cut that variance down a

1:13:02

little bit and be an efficient one on top of

1:13:04

that I'm gonna go

1:13:06

ahead and take bow nicks just so that we can talk about

1:13:08

them get out of the way here and say I

1:13:11

do have him kind of a little underrated Because he

1:13:13

was my third quarterback on this board and the reason

1:13:15

is is that Everybody looks at

1:13:17

the central casting guys and they pick

1:13:20

them early for the upside But the

1:13:22

upside is actually what happens here not

1:13:24

what's going on here and bow nicks

1:13:26

has enough in the athletic Spectrum

1:13:29

to be a good quarterback and work

1:13:31

off structure He fits very well in

1:13:33

Sean Payton's offense because it's quick timing

1:13:35

routes quick hitting work And

1:13:38

I actually thought that he was

1:13:40

probably one of the most self-aware

1:13:42

Quarterbacks of this group who didn't

1:13:44

engage in hero ball and played

1:13:46

with a lot of logic Auburn

1:13:49

did not do him any favors Auburn

1:13:51

created scenarios where he couldn't trust his receivers

1:13:53

to hang on to football He

1:13:55

also tried to play a lot of hero ball that

1:13:57

that got fixed a little bit more. He was Oregon

1:14:01

and at Oregon he was better moving

1:14:03

around in the pocket very good pocket

1:14:05

mover I would not be I don't

1:14:07

love the receivers in Denver right

1:14:09

now and that's the biggest issue But

1:14:11

if I'm gonna take a chance on a quarterback and

1:14:13

it's say it's a startup draft I

1:14:16

would say well in the second round if that's my

1:14:18

first quarterback, I'll go for it Yeah,

1:14:20

I think the system fits really good. Yeah,

1:14:22

it's just the overall ecosystem with bow nicks

1:14:24

and and like yeah What is the upside

1:14:26

with phone X but in fantasy like you're

1:14:28

just looking for usable quarterback playing super flex

1:14:30

like from your second or third Guy and

1:14:32

I can see a scenario where he gives

1:14:35

you usable quarterback play. Okay We

1:14:38

can go a little longer if you want to okay

1:14:40

Well, we can go another time if you want here's

1:14:43

here's the thing man I this is actually we've got to

1:14:45

we've got a few more picks here to make I

1:14:48

don't love like any of the running backs left. There's

1:14:51

no quarterbacks left So

1:14:53

I'm probably just gonna go receiver here to end this and

1:14:55

I will go These

1:14:58

two guys are very close in my rankings

1:15:00

the two receivers I'm debating right now I

1:15:06

Think I'm gonna go Yeah, I'll

1:15:08

chicken out and go against my new number

1:15:10

rankings But I will take the player that's

1:15:12

in the same tier that's behind the guy.

1:15:14

I really want to take here I'll

1:15:16

just go as they really get Because

1:15:18

his first-round pick this is very deep in the second

1:15:21

round for a rookie draft here for a first round

1:15:23

pick to be going Off the board. I actually

1:15:25

don't really have a strong take on

1:15:27

how this one goes because I think

1:15:30

he's a very volatile prospect He

1:15:33

shows you some real good ability to win

1:15:35

with his hands. He shows an

1:15:37

ability to diagnose zone coverage pretty well But

1:15:40

he's not a he's not a refined route

1:15:42

runner period like end of story, especially against

1:15:45

man press coverage He is much

1:15:47

worse off than than Keon Coleman from a route

1:15:49

running perspective. No question, even if they score

1:15:52

out similarly I don't

1:15:54

really score out similarly man. Look at a little

1:15:56

lower. But regardless I Do

1:15:59

like the way Dave Canals has talked about using him. I

1:16:03

think he's definitely a long-term

1:16:05

project. Hugo

1:16:07

doesn't like to pick. He, no,

1:16:09

Hugo's not a fan of wide

1:16:11

receivers. He's a box safety. I

1:16:14

will, at least Liget has the

1:16:16

size to

1:16:19

take a big hit from a box safety like that.

1:16:21

But yeah, so there's another guy I really wanted to

1:16:23

take here, but I'm a coward. I didn't do it

1:16:25

and I've been a coward all draft. So I'll go

1:16:27

with Xavier here. Hey,

1:16:29

listen, to me, Xavier Liget, he

1:16:32

shows he's a developmental prospect

1:16:34

in an early round draft

1:16:37

capital because he's a guy that is

1:16:39

a timing route runner as a man-to-man

1:16:41

route runner, needs to learn how to

1:16:43

drop his weight into breaks. And

1:16:46

he doesn't do that. But when you watch

1:16:48

him as a runner, he can do it.

1:16:50

So it's kind of like if you were

1:16:52

scouting that rugby player, Louis Zammett, like

1:16:55

you might be looking and go, well, these

1:16:57

are things that could translate with a lot

1:16:59

of work. And I

1:17:01

think that with Liget, you see flashes of

1:17:03

where he could apply that elsewhere, but there's

1:17:05

no guarantee that he's gonna learn that. So

1:17:08

I'm a little worried about him on that

1:17:10

level. If I'm gonna, there's two backs I'm

1:17:12

looking at here at this

1:17:14

stage and probably the only one that I'm

1:17:16

looking at probably long-term who might be

1:17:18

able to help me out because there,

1:17:21

Josh Jacobs has

1:17:23

an out next year in his contract. So

1:17:26

what that tells me is that Marshawn Lloyd,

1:17:28

while he was in that amorphous

1:17:30

mass of running backs after the third running

1:17:32

back on my board, who like was really

1:17:35

low in the pre-draft because he fumbles a

1:17:37

lot and he bounces a lot of plays

1:17:39

outside, he still had a high enough grade

1:17:41

that he was, that really, if he

1:17:43

fixed any one of those things, he could be the

1:17:45

number two or number three back on my board. So

1:17:48

that's why you have like pre-draft

1:17:50

analysis and post-draft analysis. AJ

1:17:53

Dillon, look, if he can't beat out

1:17:55

AJ Dillon this year, that means that

1:17:57

he does have some issues that need

1:17:59

to. work on. Yeah, we're in trouble.

1:18:01

I like AJ Dillon is like a grinder,

1:18:03

you know, type of fact, but he hasn't

1:18:05

shown enough to really be anything

1:18:08

from a fantasy perspective. Josh

1:18:11

Jacobs is one of the one of the excellent backs

1:18:13

in the league. So if

1:18:15

they're, if they give Marshawn Lloyd

1:18:18

a little bit more of an Aaron Jones type of

1:18:20

role early and he thrives, he's the man next year

1:18:22

because they probably have an out with with

1:18:24

Jacobs or it could happen. So I'll

1:18:27

take that shot even though it's, you know, there's a

1:18:29

little bit of risk in it and there's actually a

1:18:31

back. I like a lot better, but I think I

1:18:34

can get him in the third round and that would

1:18:36

be Kamani Badal if we had time. Oh

1:18:38

yeah, that's a great call. Just

1:18:40

actually, just tell me a little bit about Badal. I'm

1:18:42

not taking him here in my next deck. I'm going

1:18:44

to take another receiver, of course, but like, because he's

1:18:46

a guy that people are going to be really interested

1:18:48

in because of the landing spot. Josh

1:18:51

Jacobs, or JK Dobbins, who I

1:18:53

absolutely love coming out is basically

1:18:55

a desperation

1:18:57

rental by Jim Harbaugh, who

1:18:59

they got a week before the draft recovering from

1:19:01

the Achilles. And I hope that he pans out,

1:19:03

but odds are against me. Badal,

1:19:06

if you were a DeAndre Swift fan,

1:19:08

but didn't know much about him, but

1:19:10

just heard a lot of people talking

1:19:12

about how great he is because he's

1:19:14

so productive. Those

1:19:16

people were looking into the future

1:19:18

and were imagining Kamani Badal as

1:19:21

a player, as a talent. Badal is built

1:19:23

low to the ground. He can break a

1:19:25

lot of tackles. He's a smarter runner between

1:19:27

the tackles than Swift, who needs a lot

1:19:30

of space and a lot of simulation of

1:19:32

space to really get his yards. But

1:19:35

Badal also can catch check downs and

1:19:37

he's a better blocker than Swift is.

1:19:39

He can work inside and really take

1:19:41

on blockers well. And

1:19:44

to me, he projects more as a

1:19:46

lead back in ability. And he's on

1:19:48

an offense where JK Dobbins, again, we

1:19:50

don't know. Gus Edwards is

1:19:53

29 and has a role and he's more

1:19:55

of a desperation lead back if they needed him

1:19:57

to be. And Isaiah Spill... I

1:20:00

don't think he's figured out that his hips need

1:20:02

to be aligned with his pad when he takes

1:20:04

on defenders. He's kind of got a little bit

1:20:06

of a Braylon Allen problem there where

1:20:09

he tries to bounce outside people when he

1:20:11

takes them on rather than trying to run

1:20:13

through them. And he has some maturity

1:20:15

issues as a decision maker. So

1:20:18

Vidal has a really good opportunity to

1:20:20

grow into a contributing role

1:20:22

this year and maybe even due to

1:20:24

injury, be the Isaiah Pacheco of this

1:20:27

class. I love that call. Again,

1:20:29

I wanted people to hear your analysis on him because

1:20:31

he's going to be a big time riser in the

1:20:34

post draft process. Alright, for my final pick here,

1:20:37

this is the guy, according to my

1:20:39

rankings, I would have taken ahead of Xavier

1:20:41

Laguette, but I'm an idiot. So

1:20:44

I'm going to go with Jalen Polk here, Waldman. There

1:20:47

you go. Man, I don't know

1:20:49

about you, but I was confused at the

1:20:51

backlash that this pick got. I

1:20:53

guess just because it wasn't commonly mock drafted,

1:20:56

right? It wasn't commonly drafted that Polk was

1:20:58

going to be drafted super high, but I'm

1:21:01

a fan of him as a player, man. I think he's

1:21:03

reliable. I think he does the dirty work well. I

1:21:06

like his build up speed against man coverage. And

1:21:08

I think he's, for me, he was

1:21:10

one of the top zone beaters in the class. So

1:21:12

look, it's obviously a questionable situation going to New

1:21:14

England. We don't know if Drake

1:21:16

May is going to pan out, whatever. But

1:21:18

if he does, like stylistically, what helped Drake

1:21:20

May a lot in 2022 was having a

1:21:22

reliable separator in the middle

1:21:25

of the field. Polk is not

1:21:27

Josh Downs in terms of how he can beat

1:21:29

man and press coverage off the line of scrimmage.

1:21:32

But I think there are ways you can use him

1:21:34

over the middle that will map pretty well for Drake

1:21:36

May. So I like Jalen Polk. I think I

1:21:39

was in support of that pick. So

1:21:41

I'll take him here as our final pick in this exercise.

1:21:44

Yeah, absolutely. A quality player. I mean, that works

1:21:46

out well. That's why my dog's barking. It's that

1:21:48

or he sees a Steelers wide receiver in my

1:21:50

backyard right now. I don't know which one is

1:21:52

which, but I'll probably go

1:21:54

and find out soon. Polk, good. I mean,

1:21:57

one of the things that we often hear about guys who've been

1:21:59

in the field is that can go up and

1:22:01

win contested balls. And we like them

1:22:03

about them so much, sometimes plays to

1:22:05

their detriment in the pros because they

1:22:07

don't know how to really earn ideal

1:22:09

position. You know, if you remember

1:22:11

Collin Johnson from Texas, who's been like three

1:22:13

different teams, he was one of those guys

1:22:15

that opened his body to defenders as he

1:22:17

made these unbelievable athletic catches. But Polk is

1:22:19

a guy who understands how to position his

1:22:21

body to win it, to win the ball

1:22:23

and block out the defender. And

1:22:26

he's good after the catch. So yeah,

1:22:28

he's a fine player. Certainly understand it,

1:22:30

like the pick. Hope they

1:22:33

don't put them all in the frying pan at the same

1:22:35

time and turn the heat up too

1:22:37

hard. That would be great. I

1:22:39

think of all these Ruergis in New England,

1:22:41

I think the guy who's most ready to

1:22:43

make an instant impact is Jalen Polk. So

1:22:45

hopefully he can get some play

1:22:48

with Jacobi Brissett at some point this

1:22:50

season. All right, Waldman, that was electric.

1:22:54

I should have known better than to think we were even going

1:22:56

to get close to sniffing a third round. I'm

1:22:58

not sure what was dumber, thinking that we were

1:23:00

gonna get a third

1:23:03

round in or passing up Roma

1:23:05

Dunesay for Drake May early on in this class.

1:23:07

I think actually the dumber decision was the Roma

1:23:10

Dunesay pass on my part. But I appreciate you

1:23:12

doing this, buddy. This was awesome. Love catching up

1:23:14

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1:23:16

some of these guys at some point. But

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1:24:48

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1:24:50

a dog barking here in the background, so we are on the

1:24:52

same page on many things, Matt Waldman. That is

1:24:54

going to do it for today's show. Tuesday,

1:24:56

we're back and Scott Pianowski joins

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then, we're out.