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1 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,000 look the problem with tender and they don't publish stats on this, but I'm sure if they did, they would reveal the following. If you are an attractive woman, you get 2 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:39,000 something 3 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:53,000 large multiple of the matches that an attractive man does 4 00:00:53,000 --> 00:01:04,000 and 7000 exercise. Lord, it's not two acts. Okay? 5 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:13,000 Hello, and welcome to your mileage may vary. Your mileage may vary is a regrettably to CIS gendered heterosexual man show that examines topics pertaining to sex and relationships, but mostly sex. 6 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,000 We scour the web predominantly. Read it because it's a never ending goldmine for suitably salacious topics and then discuss them until we've adequately litigated the matter at hand. 7 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:32,000 And Keith, my co host, is Mike. We'll be getting to in a moment. 8 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,000 But first, the usual podcast payroll stuff. The best way to follow us is, of course, to subscribe to our feed and your favorite podcast step available everywhere, including Spotify and apple podcasts. You can also like our Facebook page, and you can email us at why mm. The pod at gmail dot com. 9 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,000 Ah, Okay. Mike. Uh, happy belated near. 10 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Thanks, Keith. 11 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Uh, I have a follow up to our favorite topic which is obviously blowjobs. Are you ready? Yeah, I'm ready. Okay. So, uh, this was on Reddit, actually, four months ago, But in two paragraphs, I think it's sort of 12 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,000 succinctly 13 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:17,000 sums up the two different perspectives. So here we go. 14 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,000 Sucking dick is completely underrated. I'm the only one in my entire friendship group that actually enjoys blowjobs. It's absolutely crazy to me. How not how not only none of my friends like it. They hate it. I think it's one of the sexiest things ever, and probably my favorite part of sex in general. Okay, so on one hand, you have all of her friends hating it and thinking it's gross. Okay, the other 15 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:25,000 way. This is a woman 16 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,000 saying she likes giving them, you know, a man because you can actually read that as a man, saying he likes getting them to go on. Okay, it's a woman just to 17 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:35,000 make 18 00:02:35,000 --> 00:03:00,000 it is unclear whether this was written by a man or a woman, actually, but let me read the next part, and then you could tell me whether you think this again A woman. Okay, 19 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,000 She they go on. There's nothing hotter than kneeling in front of the guy and unzipping his pants to find his heart and then taking him into your mouth. Sometimes I even get excited to see he's soft, too. I really like the feeling of him getting hard in my mouth. I love everything about it. I love the idea of sucking it. Love being so close and personal to his cock. I love tasting is pre cum. I love hearing him moan and pleasure. I love seeing his toes curl. I left him feeling exploded my mouth. I just love everything about it. 20 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,000 Uh, that's a woman. 21 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:17,000 I don't understand how she can see his toes curl while she's doing that, but go on. 22 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Yeah, I mean, generally she's she's saying the thing that you usually say, which is like, Yeah, like the thing of delivering pleasure to the man is enough to overcome. Now she said 23 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:36,000 a lot of weird stuff, too, right? She said that she you know, there's there's a lot of stuff in there that suggests unusual mentality. But go on. Yeah, 24 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,000 yeah, I've been, you know, trying to be a little bit more open minded about receiving blowjobs since we last recorded. 25 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,000 That's 26 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,000 good. I mean, we discussed this, and I mean, I think you're 27 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:50,000 I think you have both a psychological and physical issue here. 28 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,000 Um, yeah, it limits your enjoyment, which are both equally, I think. Interesting. What do you What 29 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:58,000 do you think the physical issue is? 30 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:06,000 We've discussed this. It's it's Ah, it's and it's this. It's the circumcision thing. 31 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Uh, and this is a topic that surprises you even though you are as I know, What kind of a connoisseur of porn, 32 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:18,000 like all men. Ah, but ah, 33 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:27,000 yeah. I mean, they're they're different. Tightness is of circumcision. And if if your foreskin or what's left of it, if you're circumcised is kind of immobile, 34 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,000 it can make it kind of unconscious. Makes it more difficult physically to do right. And that's that's the state. The unfortunate state you find yourself in. 35 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:41,000 I think that 36 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:58,000 Yeah. So your thought is that, like, if most men would rate the average blow job like, you know, an 8.4 out of 10 I would rate it like a 6.7 out of 10 or something because of the way I've been circumcised 37 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:05,000 on purely physical grounds. Because if you if you're I'm not sure what the right word is all just a foreskin. I realized that that normally would apply to an intact man. But in this case is whatever's left. Yes, If it's more mobile, then, Yeah, the thing that is done to you just as like, 38 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:13,000 easier, more straightforward, like there's no issues. They're not issues of lubrication and so on and so forth. So just you know, I 39 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,000 think I think that might be some of it. But I think 90% of it is psychological or 95%. 40 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Well, okay, but hang on, let's switch over. Let's just pretend 41 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,000 that we're talking hand jobs. 42 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:29,000 I see 43 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:35,000 the hand jobs. It would be different. I think that the gap between how much I can and physically enjoy hand job and how much somebody with a different circumcision would is different. 44 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,000 So with a hand job, you would agree it's mostly there'll be a significant physical barrier 45 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:48,000 to it being fruitful. 46 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Yeah, I mean, look, there's also the matter that, like, intellectually, it's not as seemingly disgusting to give a man a blowjob or sorry a hand job is it is to give him a blowjob, but Yeah. 47 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,000 Um, 48 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,000 okay. 49 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:57,000 Huh? That's interesting. 50 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,000 Ah, yeah. I mean, I guess that's obviously true, because because of where the nut goes, 51 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:08,000 Right. 52 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,000 Okay, so So that's okay. So So you think it's mostly psychological, But but and importantly, you think that the, uh, 53 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,000 natural lubrication in the mouth sort of 54 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:21,000 resolves part of the issue with this hand up? OK, 55 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 Yeah. All right. In fact, yeah. Like, as I've been, like, experimenting with this, like, I can report that it is, 56 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,000 uh, quite nice. 57 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Look, this isn't like a major revelation here. Anything but Yeah, 58 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:39,000 right, Right. Okay, so it's psychological and go on. So what? So so explain for our listeners, the psychological components. 59 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:44,000 Look, we've We've gone through this and episodes one through, however many upsets we have, but 60 00:06:44,000 --> 00:07:00,000 I think it is. It is hard for me too. 61 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:08,000 Understands why a woman would want to give me a blowjob. And, like, I know all the arguments here like, Oh, do you like going down on girls? Yes, I d'oh d'oh! Isn't that gross? No, I don't think it is. I think there's some There's some difference, but in any case, we don't really have to go through. 62 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,000 Why? But what? I mean, like what? How about this one? Like what? Why don't you? Why do you think a woman would want to do anything sexually with you? 63 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:29,000 I don't know. That's actually a good question, but yeah, I feel like blowjobs are 64 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:34,000 are, like, particularly bad. And I know that I'm not, like, crazy for thinking this because of this threat. I just read like she's like, Yeah, like all of her friends hate it, but they don't just like it. They, like, sort of actively hated. And so it's not insane to think that, like blowjobs air sort of 65 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,000 I mean objectively, but definitely subjectively disgusting to some people. 66 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,000 Um, 67 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:45,000 well, 68 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,000 I mean, I think that it's like a funny I mean, I don't think that Okay, my personal take on this is I don't think that it comes down to 69 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:57,000 whether a on active 70 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,000 quota quit disgusting or not. I mean, look like if you go on the sex subreddit, there's a shocking amount of content on there about people doing anal lingus. I mean, really, quite a lot 71 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:11,000 of I actually have a topic about that later, but yeah, go on 72 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,000 s o and I mean that, like, I think objectively thing you can say just flat out objectively is disgusting. Like R r. Olfactory system is designed on some level two 73 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,000 shield us from feces. Yeah, you know, 74 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:36,000 subjectively, some people like it 75 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:46,000 well, busy at So what that what is that? That comes down to the fact that when you're sexually aroused, it suppresses your disgust. And there have been, like, psychological studies. So that's like a fairly easy thing to study psychologically, right? You take something disgusting and then have someone aroused or not aroused and see how they react to it. And your disgust is suppressed 76 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:54,000 through arousal, which makes sense. And so, like what my take on this is basically like these women who are saying they don't like it like they're just not getting aroused. 77 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:00,000 That would be my That's like, That's like, sort of the next worst thing I would say. It's like, Look, these are women who are just not attracted their partners. They might just have low libido. 78 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:11,000 Um, and so they're just like, Look, sex is disgusting, but the difference is, here's the key difference is that like 79 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:19,000 P. I V, they could just sort of ignore it, right? It's sort of like they could just shield. They can sort of put a mental curtain there. Where's when it's aural like it's, You know, that sort of It's much harder to pretend 80 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,000 it's a feeling that there is a new, attractive enough person that would make a Malinga's compelling for you. 81 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:31,000 I'm sorry, can you explain the question? But do you mean like 82 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:43,000 Okay, so you're saying that like, uh, okay, there's their sub scale, right? So with with with with P I V, like most people can, 83 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,000 you know, be attractive, be attracted enough to, like, tolerate that. But if But if somebody is less attractive than you or yeah, if they're not, if they're not attracted enough to someone, then giving them a blow job is fairly uncompelling. 84 00:09:44,000 --> 00:10:15,000 Um, 85 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:20,000 I understand. Okay. So I think I understand what you're saying. So, so attractive. Okay, First of all, for a man, physical attractiveness is gonna be in a more important component than for a woman right in the men in general aren't that physically attractive. And so women are aroused by their things. But I don't think the right to mention here is attractive, I think the right to mention yours arousal. And so really, I think what you should have asked, could I Could I imagine being sufficiently aroused to suppress the discussed? Yes. Of of poop? Yes and yes, 86 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,000 sure. I mean, like, I mean, I like because I I'm not sure there's really a limit to that, like I mean, 87 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:30,000 yeah, 88 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,000 but what could possibly worse be worse than like, like, basically eating poop? I don't know, like eating decaying flesh or something like that next evening. Like more repulsive 89 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,000 necrophilia. Bestiality, 90 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,000 Okay, some sort of view. Cocky but big. 91 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:44,000 Something eating animal poop. Yeah, 92 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:52,000 really, really aroused to do. Be cocky. 93 00:10:52,000 --> 00:11:09,000 I'm not sure, but I mean like, but But that being said, I'm not sure I could rule it out like I Okay, so let me be clear. Like, I've never been aroused enough in my life too. 94 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,000 Go this far to have these things seem appealing, but there are drugs that I have not used. Ah, that will sort of simulate these feelings of arousal. And, um yeah. I mean, like, I wouldn't surprise me if, like, there's a drug that, like I could administer to you and you would just be licking ass all day. 95 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:18,000 I'm actually pretty sure of it. 96 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:23,000 Ah, And so and so, Yeah, with these women, I just think they're not. I just think they're not getting aroused. I think it's I think it's that simple. And also, I think that you're 97 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:30,000 your reaction to this is incorrect. I think the way you should think about it is ah, 98 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:40,000 is it like the nastier the thing that one wants to do, the more aroused she is so that, like, you should be pleased by that now, I mean, 99 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:48,000 unless they're doing it just I mean, I think some women and you could read this on the sex subreddit, like a lot of women are giving people blow jobs out of obligation. They feel like they have to 100 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,000 on and then, you know, they're, like, sort of complaining about how their partner always wants it, and, you know, it makes them feel like crap. 101 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,000 And so, like, true. I mean, I don't know what they're simulating arousal. 102 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,000 Well, that's like 103 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,000 they never would with me. So I guess that's not initially. 104 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,000 I know it's a difficult thing, generally 105 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:09,000 with when dealing with women. I think that, like, 106 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,000 um, they're certain physical signs of arousal that men appear to be, uh, kind of woefully inadequate at 107 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:23,000 detecting in many cases. 108 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,000 Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, I mean, that's that's tricky. I under I understand exactly what you're saying and it's a really it would be a real issue. You're like, Is this because she's super aroused? Or is this because she's like, Fuck? I have to give Keith a blow now? Because he bought me dinner. 109 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:33,000 I think I can actually tell 110 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,000 whether somebody is simulating arousal or not. But even if I can like, there's still like the psychological thing where I'm not 111 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:43,000 and 112 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:49,000 we've established, we've, I think firmly established that you are not capable of distinguishing fake from real female orgasms. 113 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,000 I mean it. Five, In my opinion, there is sufficient statistical evidence to establish that, and that's because you, 114 00:12:53,000 --> 00:13:18,000 uh I mean, when you like, for example, like it's 115 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:37,000 it's common knowledge that surveys in surveys, women report seldom having orgasms in the first couple encounters with men. And by the way, this is one of the arguments that I think, uh, goes against some of the women who disagree with my feelings, uh, expressed on this podcast. Yeah, if women are so sexually liberated and 116 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,000 they could just fuck anyone and it's just great for them, even if they're just having one night stands over the place and why? Why, If it's so great for them, Do women report not typically having orgasms until see the 3rd 4th 5th sexual encounter with the same man? What's going on there? What's so great about it? For them having all these one night stands where they don't have orgasms? And of course, 117 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:48,000 you know, I'm sure you'll find the one woman who just has orgasm constantly. 118 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:54,000 Yeah, I mean, and I suspect, like, the people who have Yeah, there's like a 119 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:59,000 There's like a sampling issue here. Like you need the people that the people who 120 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:14,000 are feeling more liberated might record might report. Ah, hire or desert, right? 121 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:22,000 They might. They might, although they might look. Yeah, there could be, like, a cross tabulation correlation thing there. Um I mean, there's another issue with women, and this, I think, also relates to your we should move on a set. But I want to say this okay also also relates to your 122 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:29,000 You're famed a success at giving women orgasms on the first time with you. Yes, the incredibly 123 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:34,000 just let me just like you mentioned this quickly. I mean, it is possible that I am skilled, 124 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:49,000 but anyway, go on. It's your right. Given like a normal distribution, I might not be. But who knows Anyone? 125 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,000 No, no, no, no, No. Knowing your personality, I actually believe that you are and that the women are aroused by you. I actually I actually think that I'm not disputing that at all. And I also your unusual among men in that you tend to tell the truth, 126 00:14:53,000 --> 00:15:12,000 you know, in situations where the truth might actually 127 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:30,000 cut against you. So actually believe that stuff That being said like, look, there's like a comfort level and it just, you know, like the first time she exposes her body to you like it's just a little bit uncomfortable. So it's just a little even with even with you being at that level like I still find it, sort of, um, sort of skeptical. The thing I want to say that is that there is also research 128 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:40,000 that a substantial percentage of women may not really know what an orgasm is. And so women think they had one, but they actually never have in their entire life. And there's there's native behind that that we don't need to get into. But there's like there's there's an interesting question there. And of course there's even the sort of physiological question of like 129 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:51,000 like, what is an orgasm for a woman like, I mean, because for a man, it sort of obvious kind of tends to go along with ejaculation, But for a woman, you go well, how do you define it? And so like that you can get into that stuff, too? And 130 00:15:51,000 --> 00:16:05,000 there was a There was a thread on Reddit about this actually tried to find it before we started recording here. I'll find it for the next show, where somebody was saying that she thought she'd been having orgasms her entire life. 131 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,000 She hadn't. She had recently had her first. Ah, and then, Yeah, and the responses. There were a bunch of people asking her lots of questions about that because they were yeah, that she described it in such a way that I think 132 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:19,000 made other people sort of question what they thought anyway. Yeah, we can. We can expect 133 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:24,000 three. I read that one, too. And the piece of research looks is a hard thing to research, but people can look up. There is some amount of research that's been done where they have women masturbate, 134 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:36,000 and they put probes up their butts to see the look for the tell tale, huh? 135 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:45,000 Contractions of the anal sphincter or and women? The correlation between women reporting psychologically that they had an orgasm and actually the machine thinking they did is not 136 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:50,000 as high as one. Good. Yeah, it's not 1 to 1. It's not zero or anything, but it's not. It's less than you think. And so there's a lot of women who do 137 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,000 either. We don't know what an orgasm is for women, or they don't There, miss reporting any way we can move on. 138 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:56,000 Okay. All right. We should look at the numbers on this. 139 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:09,000 I now have no infuriated our entire female female Mr Ships, 140 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:34,000 right? Yeah. Okay, So we were talking about in a Lingus. And now there's this Reddit thread here that I thought was interesting and I think wrong, but it involves science, so Okay, 141 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:48,000 Uh, this guy says my friend and I did the test. How unsanitary isn't really to eat ass? My friend and I are interested in science. We also think that rim jobs air fun to give me and receive her. One of these guys work in a lab together. It's unclear way. Here we go. Sorry. She doesn't molecular biology and has plenty of experience using lab equipment to examine bacteria and fungal pathogens. The procedure to study how disgusting a given surfaces is pretty straightforward. You've probably done this yourself in middle school science class, 142 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:55,000 using multiple swabs to get a good average. We tested several surfaces. Ah, clean kitchen counter, my dick, her vulva, both of our upper backs, both of our anuses after showering and washing in there with soap, 143 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:04,000 greatest amount and most diverse growth kitchen counter. Next, for some reason, was my upper back. 144 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,000 I promise. I shower. Maybe my skin sheds a lot, he says in parentheses. After that, our anuses dicks involved growths looked almost completely identical. Okay, 145 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,000 is that possible? I think 146 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:24,000 it is because I think I mean, there's a lot of like, look, okay, 147 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,000 the you mean there's a lot of meth. A logical issues here, like the first would be like Like, what kind of how did the swab work? Because, like, it's gonna be a big difference between if you just If you just like wipe along the surface versus if you take a Q tip in, jam it two inches in 148 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,000 Sure, and I wish they would have done mouth. But go on. 149 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,000 Oh, mouths. I mean, that's like it could be 150 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,000 that your mouth is justus Dirty is Uranus. It's 151 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,000 the difference. Is that like 152 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,000 you know, 153 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:43,000 you're 154 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:50,000 you're here. Olfactory system is designed to reject the contents of your 155 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,000 like It just is disgusting, like And you could say, What does disgusting mean? Can you quantify it? Well, it's hard, but like 156 00:18:52,000 --> 00:19:00,000 poop, poop is not like, 157 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:08,000 yeah, unless you're like a fee. Kofi, Liam, whatever you call it a Seiko file. Ah, it's tough. 158 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:15,000 I think also that they showered and like, rinsed out their anuses before before. Swapping is fairly important here, like the problem is 159 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,000 the poop particles or or whatever. The next unit of sizes up from particle 160 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:23,000 like 161 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,000 that's not, I guess, nugget or 162 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:35,000 turtle it I don't know. Um, 163 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,000 yeah, It just seems like Yeah, like that's the risk there is, like, the actual fecal matter which I think was sort of excluded from this particular test. 164 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,000 Well, yeah. I mean, like, look like like, look like, uh, 165 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:48,000 but 166 00:19:48,000 --> 00:20:00,000 okay, if you're gonna run your tongue around a hole in a person's body, you're probably going to some points. Stick your tongue into the hole, 167 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:06,000 and that's where the problem. So it's like, Yeah, if you're if you're right, if they're holding it tight and you just rub over the surface, then yeah, I have no doubt that could be great if the person's showered recently, But the thing is like, 168 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,000 you don't necessarily know that. And I have definitely seen postings where there's, like, it's clear that, like, there's, you know, 169 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:18,000 okay, Like, I was carefully pooped. 170 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,000 Yeah, I mean, look, let's say that you've showered and you've, like, rinsed around, So the external of the anuses. Fine. Like, how far up do you have to go before 171 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:31,000 there's shit? 172 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:49,000 I, uh, there's only one way to find out this. I think we'd have to do a series of Q tips, but I would imagine it's it's we're talking like no more than an inch or two. 173 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,000 Yeah, I don't think it's very far like I'm guessing the bottom of it is that the colon that ends at the Ennis, the records, the rectum. Okay, whatever. I'm guessing like a soon as you get in there as soon as you like. You know, past Thea, whatever the threshold, there's stuff that you can't clean clothes. I mean, maybe you could get in there with some sort of 174 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:56,000 tool, 175 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:01,000 but then but then that yet, But let me know how far up do you go with the tool to clean? Like eventually there's there's gonna be shit. 176 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:25,000 Yeah. I mean, this stuff is all pretty rough. Like, I'm not. I'm not sure, Like unless the person 177 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:32,000 does some pretty intensive internal cleaning and even then, like, I would have some doubts about like, Yeah, I mean, they're on some level. It's just like, what's the point? Like, what are you trying to do? Although, you know, there's always the guys on the pornographic subreddit ce who try to post videos of themselves jamming things up their butts and they're like, Oh, I mean, that's a pretty common the prostate stimulation thing is a pretty common one on the sex subreddit as well. Yeah, and you know, I mean, yeah. I mean, I 178 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:38,000 it's it's sort of a shame for men that there's this, like, pleasurable thing they can do that requires sticking something up there, But 179 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:47,000 yeah, I have not experimented with that much. We talked a bit about how, 180 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:54,000 uh, in the past, Like, I sort of stupidly associate ID any sort of anal play with with, uh, 181 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,000 questions about my sexuality. But that's like, Yeah, that's obviously not the case. So, like, I don't understand. Yeah, I don't know. I don't I don't know 182 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,000 how you 183 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,000 broach that in a, like, a reasonable way without 184 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:11,000 getting shit everywhere. 185 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,000 Yeah. I mean, I think you have to go through some sort of cleaning regimen, which, you know, you just have to decide. Like if that's what you wanna be doing with your life 186 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,000 cleaning your medal, 187 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:38,000 have one Maur excrement related topic, and then we'll get on to She says, Yeah, 188 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,000 yeah. I mean, maybe I shouldn't do three in a row, but he wouldn't go ahead. This is wife finally said yes. A little context a while ago my, uh, my wife found out about my p fetish because she found my Tumblr that had a lot of pictures of girls peeing through their panties. But she wasn't really bothered by it that I liked that. And it's unclear if that's his Tumblr 189 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:52,000 account, where he was after getting the 190 00:22:52,000 --> 00:23:07,000 motor you can like, kind of connect other. It's, you know, it's just like a social network where you could grab photos from other people's stuff in adity or so could sort of both right Pinterest sort of. Yeah, 191 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:13,000 well, today I finally found the courage and straight up asked her if she would ever let me watch her pee through her panties and even pee on me. Then it all caps, she said, Yes, Exclamation point. I was so excited. She said, that she understood why I had that fetish and that she would be happy to oblige. 192 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:19,000 Moral of the story. You never know what to your ask. Okay. Why do men want to be peed on it? Some sort of submissive. I think I 193 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,000 have to be honest. I'm still a little bit stuck on the way it sounds when you say P threw her panties. 194 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,000 It's very like 195 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:30,000 there's like acid. It's incontinent continents. And 196 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:38,000 there's some sort of like, if some sort of a feminine. It's a phrase that you're staying there, that okay, 197 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:50,000 so she can urinate through her undergarments. Yeah, that's better. Still trying to lower the timber of my voice. I don't know help. So 198 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:58,000 I just mean a piss through her underpants Piss. There is hard underpin all those words. Sort of make you sort of. Anyway, So why do men want to be peed on? Because men want to do, like, taboo things with checks. 199 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,000 Ah, I think there are taboo things that don't involve having experiments on me. 200 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,000 Where excrement is usually Coop. 201 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:14,000 Is he not in the same Venn diagram? 202 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,000 Well, of course, on some level, but I just don't want people. Just when people say the word excrement, they're talking about crap they're not talking about pee pee would be like, uh, 203 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,000 well, you're in. I don't know. Okay, I was just clarifying. So 204 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:38,000 you're trying to connect it to the to the private previous topic, but okay. Yeah. 205 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,000 I mean, I'm not sure. Uh I don't think that Thea, this is all about like a guy getting titillated by, like the fact that the woman is doing something taboo and like there's some sort of emotional reaction, it's not in that sense, it's not very different from like anal sex, right? It's like you're just you're just doing something that like she shouldn't want to do. 206 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:46,000 Yeah ah, 207 00:24:46,000 --> 00:25:00,000 yeah, he's getting off on it And she's what I forget what was going on with? She just sort of like, Why does he like this? I forget. 208 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,000 No, I get, he says. Look, this guy is His writing is a little questionable in, like 3/4 through six are always fake. But he says she said that she understood why I had that fetish and that she would be happy to oblige. I don't know how she understood 209 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,000 why he had that finish, but 210 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,000 I think 211 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000 women mostly just don't care. They're like, all right, 212 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:18,000 I'll do. I'll do the weird thing you want done. 213 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:24,000 Yeah, well, that I mean, that one is sort of like explicitly demeaning to him at least. Can you imagine if was not like, Hey, do you mind if I, like pee on your face like that? She might be more hesitant on that one. 214 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,000 Like, how would you feel if there was some equivalent like me? This is what I was. 215 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:30,000 Um, 216 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:45,000 I've generally read things by women about, like, their experiences on tinder and the like and, 217 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,000 you know, just like men, you know, get ghost it all the time. It's all the things that happened with men. But like women and women get goes to two. But there's a you know, women have to put up also with this sort of ongoing barrage of insane male sex requests, right? It's actually like one of the most common things, right? So, like, 218 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,000 how would you 219 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:55,000 feel if, like, you know, 220 00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:07,000 you pretty much knew you're like on a date with the chicken, like you're like, Oh, man, when we go back to my place like she's gonna ask me, she can shit on my face, 221 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,000 right? Exactly. They have to, like, you know, spin the wheel and, like, up comes like he wants me to pee on him or, you know, up comes like, you know, you can only have sex if I'm, like, completely tied up or up, comes whatever 222 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:28,000 right. And you should You should probably grateful that, like, I mean, women have their own set of sort of 223 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:37,000 behaviors. But, like, this is like one where women are much more straight down the middle. Typically, uh, you don't. And I'm trying to think, like, what would be what would be like? Something that you really wouldn't want done to you like a woman to be like. Because, I mean, if you were gonna turn, like, turn the tables and be like, Okay, so men are titillated by women 224 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,000 doing tab you things. Yeah. I think the classic one is pegging. I think most men are 225 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,000 sure. Oh, loads to do that for I think 226 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,000 I think that 227 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,000 it would. For me, it would be 228 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:49,000 that would be tough. 229 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,000 I was thinking something about like if she decided she had a fetish for, like, 230 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,000 taking my semen and then, like, making me eat it later or something. I've been pretty revolting. 231 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,000 If you sure you wouldn't like that? 232 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:03,000 I'm pretty sure. 233 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:11,000 Particularly. Yeah, there's there's often these these guys. Yeah, like, you know, 234 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:18,000 it's he gives back to the discussed thing, but and then post nut clarity, ultimately, like, these guys were like women or whoever people who are like 235 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,000 Oh, man, he won't. He won't taste it after after he finishes and it's like, Yeah, I mean, so So in other words, 236 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:27,000 taking that moment where your disgust, 237 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,000 you know, the discussed suppression is totally gone. So, like you've just noted, everything is disgusting to you and then make the 238 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:38,000 lights Come on. So 239 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,000 this would be terrible. So, for example, she's like my baby. My fetish is I'm gonna give you a hand job and right after you're not, I'm gonna peg you. 240 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,000 Yes, that would be 241 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,000 Yeah. 242 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:49,000 Feet feed you your own semen. 243 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:55,000 I mean, in some ways, you know, you might agree to that because, you know, at the time of the negotiation, 244 00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:03,000 you know, pre nut, you're like, you know, hey, whatever. Like your arousal is at a peak. And so I 245 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:09,000 had that Most women. I bet most women be interesting to post this on sex Subreddit get some feedback. But I bet most women have had guys 246 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,000 do that have got guys be like, Oh, I want to do this after I nut and then and then not do it. 247 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,000 Yeah, I'd be interesting to get sort 248 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:23,000 of version of that happens. I mean, everyone complains about, like how? 249 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,000 Yeah, like sex almost always ends as soon as the guy nuts. And, uh, yeah, the woman is often left left wanting for various reasons. 250 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:45,000 When I was in high school, I had a girlfriend who 251 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,000 she was like, Hey, I, uh I need to talk to you about something. Can we go go to my car and we'll talk about it like, Okay, I totally I I really thought she was pregnant. I was like, Shit, this is that is not a good and the things she wanted to talk about. What's the fact that after I noted, I was just totally distant 252 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:52,000 and I was like, Oh, 253 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:58,000 well, anyway, I was in high school, so, you know, it's a long time ago. There wasn't like a subreddit to read, 254 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,000 right? Did you feel any guilt about this at the time? You already were like, Well, 255 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,000 number one was relief because I was like, Oh, is that all 256 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,000 in? The second thing 257 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,000 is that it's not like I'm emotionally hurting your feelings Every time we have sex is 258 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:15,000 I 259 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,000 mean, I got like, I was genuinely, like, really nervous and nervous in the wedding adolescence, I think get even like this really am nervousness. You can have 260 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:33,000 that. It is like a physical. Yeah, 261 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,000 Stars like afraid. And so that so that went away. It was like, Oh, that's great. And then I was sort of, like, you know, and then know the immediate next thing was okay, calibration. What What sentence do I have to say next to make sure this chick stays on my deck? 262 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:50,000 Do you remember what you came up with? 263 00:29:50,000 --> 00:30:02,000 Oh, it was just something like, Oh, you know, I'm sorry. Like I'll try better. And then, you know, for the next couple, you know, I think I did try it. Try. But it was always It was always, like 100% just like conscious effort. There was no desire to be nice after word. 264 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,000 It was always just like and I think I don't do Do you do that? Are you? Do you feel a need to basically, like, overcome your own drowsiness and kind of disgust? And whatever else comes with the post not clarity to like 265 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:14,000 Ah, 266 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,000 I kind of like I kind of like cuddling after sex. I think for fuck's sake, Keith. Really? I'm not, I think, Yeah, I think if there's a spectrum, I'm probably like this. 267 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,000 I feel like I'm fairly decent on that front. 268 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,000 Do you have, like, a short, refractory period? 269 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,000 Mmm. I think normal. What is that, like, 270 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,000 average refractory period for, like, a 39 year old man. 271 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,000 I mean, 272 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,000 Well, okay, first of all, Okay. Look, 273 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:45,000 like I've read it can go from, like, you know, 274 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:50,000 something some people say they can, like, immediately get hard again. That's but that means they probably didn't, like, have a full orgasm. But I've read anything from, like, minutes to 24 hours. 275 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,000 I think it varies from the one thing I wanted speeding in. 276 00:30:53,000 --> 00:31:01,000 Well, uh 277 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:17,000 OK, well, OK, there's a couple things here. I might. What I've read is the median, something like 30 minutes, but it's gonna depend heavily on, like, situational, right? Yeah. 278 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,000 Now, one thing that comes up in this context is the Coolidge effect, which people talk about, and I just pulled it up here on Wikipedia. The Coolidge effect scene in animals, males exhibit renewed sexual interest whenever a new females introduced up sex with. 279 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,000 Even after cessation of sex with prior 280 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,000 but still available sexual partners. The point is that the Coolidge effect 281 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:39,000 means that you can get aroused much more quickly if there's a novel female. 282 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,000 Now, I've never actually tested this, and I would be grateful, And probably our listeners would be grateful if you could test it. But the way you would do it is you would not. Maybe you could have two different women in different rooms, 283 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:53,000 not with one, And then just quickly go to the other room and see if you can immediately get about minutes opposing. 284 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:58,000 Yeah, that Wikipedia thing even says, like, it can't be someone you've had sex before. So these have to all the new people to really maximize or minimize the Coolidge fact. 285 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:04,000 That's true. You'd have to hire a prostitute. Yeah. Prostitutes. 286 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:11,000 Well, no, because the 1st 1 could just be a normal partner. It would have to be a partner, okay, with the fact that you've hired a prostitute in the next. 287 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:17,000 Okay, so, yeah, if we're just trying to figure out what is the shortest possible refractory period. Yeah. Okay, that would work. 288 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:29,000 What did you have to nut and the first person could be someone you know. And then the second person needs to be someone completely brand new and also compelling. 289 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:36,000 Yeah, I know you have some interest in this because I know that in general you have interest in seeing things your body can do. Yes. And if this is a thing your body can do that, you've never had it do before, so you might consider it. 290 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,000 I'd be curious to see, like, how many times I could, like, my God nut in, like, a 12 hour period. 291 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,000 But, I mean, like, this experiment is completely impossible without 292 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:48,000 yeah, with without, I guess, employing prostitutes. 293 00:32:48,000 --> 00:33:04,000 Yeah. I mean, so, like, uh, you get, for example, you could, 294 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,000 um, just have the prostitute, like, lie there, and then you would beat off into her chest. So it's not so. There's no Fitz. It's not like you're not passing germs around or something, right? You're just like, Look, I'm just doing this experiment. I actually think it might be fairly easy to get women for pretty low price to do that, 295 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,000 huh? How to put something on 296 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,000 craigslist to let that gigs section. 297 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,000 Yeah, but I think they've cut out the, uh 298 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,000 Now this is non penetrative. 299 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,000 That's true. She is acting right, she said. It's a modeling 300 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,000 gig. That's right, 301 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:29,000 modeling with with some 302 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:41,000 with some pearl necklace. Cleanup requirement. Yeah, well, she 303 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:59,000 couldn't even, like, have a plastic sheet. I mean, but it has to be enough that, like you'd be aroused. I think I do. I would say this that I would have some interest in seeing my body do that. In my experience, it's usually, like, at least 304 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:05,000 particularly after the second time I have sex. It's at least 20 to 30 minutes of like, pretty much like you not. I'm not gonna get aroused, but, you know, science says that I should be able to do it with a novel female. You also could imagine porn being able to do that. But in my experience, it doesn't so That's interesting. I'd 305 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,000 have to I'd have to find a bunch of new porn that I know is good. 306 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:13,000 There's one other. There's one 307 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:18,000 other issue here. Yeah, which is It goes back, actually, to the thing about like a woman 308 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:27,000 having a fetish for what happens during your post net clarity, which would be terrible 309 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,000 and that is it, like remember that you'd have sex the first time and you would be in that moment of post, not clarity. You would have to get up, walk in the next room where there's a prostitute, 310 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:35,000 and that actually is kind of sickening, right? 311 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,000 I actually wonder. Let's say it's not a prostitute. Let's say it's, you know, whatever the most beautiful woman in the world 312 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,000 who just comes in and one step sex with you, 313 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:47,000 right? And she's just like, 314 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,000 you know, Come on, baby. Like she's clearly maximally interested in it. There's nothing, you know, perform about it. Um, 315 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:58,000 then it would work. I believe that makes sense, 316 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,000 but yeah, I mean, that's obviously a very difficult situation to set up the vineyard. And then who's the third person? The second most beautiful person in the world around? It gets tricky. 317 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,000 Your post, not clarity, would immediately drain away. Apparently, 318 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:10,000 I think it actually they don't need to be, 319 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000 I think, to, like minimize the Coolidge effect. The person doesn't actually have to be, 320 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,000 you know, a 10 or whatever. 321 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,000 I don't think so. I just think it'd be available. 322 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:27,000 It's the novel nous that's most important, 323 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000 right? Uh, yes, it doesn't say. Of course. Of course. I think this is mostly seen in animals. And it would be difficult to know, like, for example, for rats What a male rat considers to be an attractive female. 324 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:45,000 Yeah, Yeah, 325 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,000 yeah. Um, okay. All right, let's move on. So, uh, it has been a while since we last recorded, And in that period of time, I experimented with seeking arrangement a bit. Um, I think there's some interesting things to explore here. 326 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,000 So this is the site where this is the site. 327 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,000 I have an account on there, too. I've never paid. Did you have a paying or a free account? 328 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,000 Yes. You have to pay in order to. 329 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:08,000 I don't remember exactly. Um, 330 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:13,000 but you have to pay in order to receive messages. I think I think you could see that you have received messages, but you can't read them unless you pay. Right. 331 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,000 So I just went in with a free account just to see, like, what was in there? And it appears 332 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:27,000 to be profiles with the free account. 333 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:33,000 Yeah, that's right. Yeah. You can search of you profiles and stuff like that. I mean makes sense because they're trying to up sell you to the pants, right? Land right on. But the general thing here is, uh and I think that 334 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:39,000 to some extent, I think there's a lot of things that have moved to this site because of the shutdown of 335 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:48,000 backpage and craigslist Sort of prostitution thing. But there's also this sort of huh? 336 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,000 Part of our society based around younger women and older men and some kind of financial arrangement, which I think is the point of the site, right? 337 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:59,000 Uh, 338 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:17,000 yeah, I just got promoted to this. Yeah. Yeah, My recollection is when you sign up, it even says like, Hey, this is not a paper meat or 339 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:26,000 monthly allowance website like they pay some lip service to. I think there was another site like this that called Ashley Madison, but it got shut down. I think they're based in the United States, and I don't know if seeking arrangement. It's actually just seeking dot com Now. I'm not sure if they 340 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,000 are based in the United States or how they are avoiding legal trouble, because, ah, lot of what's going on. There is basically outright process that Ashley 341 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,000 Madison was fraudulent in the sense that it wasn't 342 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:51,000 it wasn't for 343 00:37:51,000 --> 00:38:04,000 welcome. Ashley Madison was a site where people would go to have an affair, and the problem was they created a bunch of fake female accounts because actually, there aren't that many women who want to go on a site and just have an affair, by contrast, offered shocking contrast. And I find seeking very interesting because I think it actually is 344 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:12,000 playing into its playing into the sort of stereotypical ah, stereotypical desires, right? A man stereotypically desires a younger, attractive woman and a younger, and a younger woman 345 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:43,000 stereotypically desires a man to provide for her. And I know that's why I keep saying stereotypical, because women will say, That's not everyone. 346 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:51,000 Ah, but I actually think that that's sort of interesting, because to the extent that there are a bunch of people that want those things like they're providing a valuable service like there may be a lot of, say, 23 year old women who would love to dates a 40 year old man who where there's less drama, and they can, um, afford to pay for trips and expensive restaurants, and also just sort of financial stability. I mean, so is that what you found on the site? Women Sort of looking for that type of stuff. 347 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,000 Yeah. So, first off, uh, I should be clear. I never gave anybody any money. Um, I did pay 348 00:38:54,000 --> 00:39:08,000 itself more is like a coach, right? You're You're You're, 349 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,000 uh I mean, yeah. I mean, I signed up out of curiosity and the sort of collect data. I I thought that I thought that the website was basically gonna be I thought everyone was gonna be a prostitute. Um, but that's not really what I found 350 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,000 that there are prostitutes on there. There 351 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:21,000 are There are there are. Look, if you want to find if you want to find, 352 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:26,000 like, a very attractive person to have sex with, like tonight, I think you could do it fairly easily 353 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,000 on that website. Like, they're people that are willing to fly in, Um 354 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,000 and like, I never 355 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:37,000 ah 356 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,000 discussed anything with these people, but it would be beach. I'd be curious to know, Like what that costs. I don't know when 357 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:49,000 you say you mean not how much the plane flight costs, but how much like if 358 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,000 I like it. Yeah, exactly. Someone's gonna come. They're gonna spend 24 hours or whatever for 12 hours in a city. 359 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:59,000 Uh, yeah. I mean, the transport will probably be several $100 360 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,000 but then what do they charge for their time and for presumably, 361 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:08,000 access to their body? Like, I don't know. I don't know. 362 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:19,000 Right? So we're probably at this point, we should mention there is a subreddit called Sugar Lifestyle Forum, 363 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:25,000 out of which, which I've frequented for some time just because I find the stories entertaining and, uh, they used to on this subreddit discuss the amount of money for things. 364 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:55,000 Ah, but they stopped because it was creating a lot of friction because basically 365 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,000 the men and the women, the men being older men and the women being younger, women who are engaged in this would basically start fighting with each other about like, Well, is this really true? Is this really how much how much they pay the women, Of course. Saying it's really expensive and the men saying it's not that expensive, But my impression was that, like, for something like what you're saying from when they did have numbers on, there was it was probably in the 1000 to $2000 range. Have somebody a very attractive woman like fly in and do something and probably for for like, a day. 366 00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:02,000 In other words, 367 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,000 yeah, there is actually a thread on that. I think I think the separate is called sugar Lifestyle for right. Did 368 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:18,000 I get it wrong? 369 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:23,000 I don't know. Maybe that's what you said. I remember. Anyway, there is a thread buried on there where people are listening prices for various things and yeah, I mean, it's exactly as you say. The women who contributes with what they make and the men who contribute what they pay have 370 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,000 a big gap there. And so I don't know what the reality is, but 371 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:34,000 yeah, the men seem to say like 372 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:43,000 a couple $100 for a meeting. And the women say, like up to a few $1000 for a meeting and the I don't know, I don't know what reality is there. Well, I think 373 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,000 I mean, it's sort of comport. We were talking about this before coming on the air, and it comports a little bit with what my like baseline assumption would be, which is that's Yes, 374 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:57,000 some of 375 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:08,000 these women are just prostitutes, but a lot of them are. It's more ambiguous, like it's like we're in some ways, they would just like to date a guy who has some money because being 23 single and poor sucks. 376 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,000 Right? Right, Look so on tinder and bumble and Hinge and OK, Cupid and coffee meets bagel. And, you know, I've tried all of the APS. 377 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,000 The usual thing is I will get a match from a 378 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:41,000 compelling person. Maybe, you know, 379 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,000 once a day or something across all the apse. If I'm spending, you know, a sufficient amount of time curating my profile and liking people. And you know, there's a whole science to it. Um, and then, you know All right, so you get, like, one attractive person today and on what I say attractive, you know? I mean, like, physically attractive enough. But also, they don't seem strange or crazy, which is a 380 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,000 big issue. 381 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:53,000 Ah, and then, you know, you start trying to talk, and then, you know, 382 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,000 3/4 of the time or more like they never respond to anything. And so you go through this thing where 383 00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:06,000 your 384 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:19,000 Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of work. Um, and yeah, seeking arrangement is completely, I mean, completely flips the script. Like, I think 385 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,000 there are a lot of women on their who aspirational like maybe they've heard about, you know, people having success on this site. And so, you know, their idea is they'll they'll meet a man who ah, you know, well, 386 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:30,000 you know who they'll casually date or, 387 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:38,000 you know, maybe it'll lead to something more serious. But you know that they have read that they can sort of, like, make some money this way. And so there's a lot of women on there, but they don't really 388 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,000 have it codified in their mind exactly what they're looking for. Um, but when I was using it, you know, I would get, 389 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,000 I don't know, like, maybe 390 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:49,000 15 inbound messages a day. 391 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:55,000 Um and I don't know if it's because maybe I'm a little bit different than the average person on that site. I don't know, 392 00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:09,000 but yeah, like my experience was, and then yeah, like if you message someone, they're, like, way more responsive. Um, 393 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:20,000 even once I reveal that, like, listen, I'm not on the site too. to pay for anything like, look, you know, like, I'll pay for dinner, Of course. And, you know, maybe maybe we'll go see a show, but I'm not gonna explicitly give you money. And so, 394 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,000 uh, like, even once I revealed that, like, a lot of people are like, Oh, that's fine. You know, I'm new here. I'm not really sure what I'm looking for. And, yeah, I don't know. It's sort of like a fascinating, 395 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,000 um, flipping up the script 396 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,000 yet. So there's a few interesting topics here. Like Fertile. First of all, I'd liketo 397 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,000 I'm curious. Why? 398 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:39,000 Why is it so important to you? I realize we don't want to. 399 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:45,000 It's, you know, prostitution is illegal in a lot of places, but But, um, you know what? This site 400 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:50,000 look, there are a lot of dating relationships people have where somebody help somebody out, right? I mean, maybe, 401 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,000 um, you get married and you help us someone student loans, or you look whatever you're dating and 402 00:44:53,000 --> 00:45:09,000 see where you're going here, but I'm sort of curious, and it just sort of 403 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:20,000 curious why I understand. Okay, So I understand. I don't think we need to like the labor the question of why you wouldn't want to pay $300 to have sex with some woman because there's a lot of negatives there. Oh, yes. Um, I realized there people that do that and so on. But I understand why you would choose not to. Okay, 404 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,000 But why Why do you have this? Why did Why did you have on this site this bright line about pairing? Was it because, like you strategically wanted to see what you could do without paying? Or is it some sort of moral thing or what? 405 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:29,000 Ah, I think it is 406 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:41,000 both of those two things. Like I I was interested in the experiment and then secondly, 407 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,000 Yeah, like, uh, look, the get the difference between, like, paying for someone's paying for someone's uber paying for someone's meal, paying for someone's ticket to see a show, 408 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:59,000 paying for someone's drinks 409 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,000 and doing all those things. Plus, you know, whatever 100 bucks is not that much. Um, in fact, it's de minimus, but there's some. There's some, like, psychological line there that I wasn't willing to cross. 410 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,000 We'll go on. 411 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:21,000 What I was going to say is, 412 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:27,000 I feel like I would feel like I was being used in a different way. And maybe I'm being used the whole time anyway. And so it's, like, silly to draw a line there, but yeah, I don't want to feel like the person is doing anything with me because they are 413 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,000 financially dependent or they're doing. It's just because, you know, they want that they want that money. 414 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:33,000 But, 415 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:39,000 I mean, isn't that sort of unrealistic? Like I mean, So the thing I was gonna say, but it fits in well is I mean, let's say you were 416 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,000 you know, he started dating. By the way, these women that you could meet on this site were much younger than you, right? 417 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:48,000 Generally us, actually exclusively. Yes, 418 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:55,000 that was your goal. Whatever. I mean, that was your You were. You're interested in much younger women because they're more attractive, more fun. 419 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,000 My goal was attractiveness. And yeah, unfortunately, that correlates with youth would 420 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:05,000 probably also like the kinds of things they want to do. They don't want to. 421 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,000 They want you. They want more fun things, whatever. But it might be more open to new experiences and stuff. 422 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:13,000 Um, 423 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:18,000 okay, So let's say you were Let's say you met a much younger woman on this site and you started dating, 424 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,000 Uh, and she needed help with the rent. Would you just be like, No. 425 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,000 Yeah, I think I would. That didn't come up, but 426 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,000 I think it didn't come up because I was fairly explicit about not 427 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:33,000 being interested in that. But 428 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,000 so there's no point in such a relationship where you would be willing Thio 429 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:41,000 help out the other person. 430 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:52,000 I'm curious about this because, like, you know, I think the like. Traditionally, traditionally, 431 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,000 you know this is like was or maybe still is a common feature of male female relationships was simply that the man could earn more money 432 00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:08,000 and wound up sort of supporting the woman who maybe, 433 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,000 you know, provided various things, whether it's companionship and sex or later maybe taking care of kids and so forth. So, like I don't So it's not like an insanely like culturally speaking. It's not an insane thing. Oh, 434 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,000 you know? Yeah. I mean, let's say you 435 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:37,000 moved in together like, would you expect her to pay 50%? 436 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,000 No, no, not Listen. No, I'm not arguing that my drawing a line there makes sense and in fact, I completely agree with what you're saying, which is like, What is the white put a line on, you know, like go like I'll pay for everything except like, I won't actually give you money like that doesn't really make that much sense. But, um, 437 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:48,000 one of 438 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:56,000 the sort of where I was one of things that makes this site really interesting to me is it's taking something that, at least and I realize like they're This runs afoul of what, 439 00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:01,000 like women might say, Well, nowadays, it's not this way anymore, Okay? So women have their own earning power. That's on some sort of parity with men. And so 440 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:09,000 maybe this is irrelevant now that that could well be. But certainly 40 years ago, 441 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,000 there was sort of a on implicit bargain the men and women would make. And what this sites doing is taking that implicit bargain in making it explicit. 442 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:28,000 Yeah, I think that happiness for people 443 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,000 Yeah, I think so as well. There's still there's still this stigma against, uh, like women are loath to admit that they're looking for financial security from a partner like they really, really, really don't like doing that? 444 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:39,000 Do you think that it's there's a sent a similar 445 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:46,000 unwillingness to admit on the part of men that they're looking to? Because they just because they're nuts, feel better when they're with a woman? 446 00:49:46,000 --> 00:50:00,000 You know? I mean, like, I mean isn't the same thing. It's like men. There's there's each person is using the other for certain things, right? 447 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:10,000 Yeah, well, I mean, yeah. I mean, I think there's something interesting there, like, Yeah, like I've heard from women. I've dated some fairly successful women, and a lot of them reports issues with partners where they 448 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,000 are jealous of their of their earnings. Right? So, like, it's almost it's It's like I think men feeling like they're being dependent on can actually 449 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,000 give them some sort of meaning or or increased value in a relationship. It makes sense 450 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:23,000 to me. Does that make sense to you? 451 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:34,000 Does like, yeah, like it's emasculating to not be needed financially or, you know, for sustenance, 452 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:39,000 right? I mean, there are these sort of, like, incumbent roles that people kind of fit into culturally or just sort of, maybe even biologically, like these things that people expect. 453 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:52,000 Uh, you see, My point was like OK, so a woman you're saying A woman doesn't want to 454 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:57,000 say whether it's true or not. Let's say it's true that she wants that she is looking for a man for financial help. Just want to say that, of course, on seeking arrangement like that ship has sailed right there explicitly saying, That's that's interesting house asking 455 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:09,000 is there you have in there? People still speak in code. 456 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:18,000 We'll say more, Say, save something like, um, I'm looking for a mature and intelligent man who can mentor me. And, 457 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:37,000 you know, show me what the city has to offer and then you'll see other words like you'll see the word generous a lot. Um, but I think in general, 458 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:45,000 some women are much more comfortable with it than others. So some of them, some of them, are speaking. In other words, some of them are speaking in code because they're just playing the game. Some of them are speaking in code because they're a little bit uncomfortable with what they're sort of implicitly asking for. 459 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,000 And how do you How would you? You mean you were just message all of them and send you would through the conversation, deduce which kind of woman they were. That's right. 460 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,000 That's interesting. Coming where their tells. 461 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:56,000 Ah, 462 00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,000 I didn't I hadn't. I didn't spend enough time on it to get good at that. 463 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:05,000 I suspect. I suspect that, um I suspect that I could. 464 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:11,000 Interesting. I went on a date with this girl and 465 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,000 ah, we met. And I thought I had been clear about 466 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:24,000 not being interested in paying for anything, but 467 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,000 yeah, she was. Maybe she thought I was speaking in code or something. But anyway, that when we met, it was clear that she wanted to set up like some sort of 468 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,000 financial arrangement. And I was like, Oh, yeah? Well, 469 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,000 how did she make that clear? 470 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:42,000 Um, 471 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:48,000 she started talking about, um, how discreet she is. And I was like, That's not an issue. I'm single. I'm not trying to hide you. 472 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:54,000 And, uh and then I think I asked like 473 00:52:54,000 --> 00:53:02,000 where she worked and she didn't want to say, and I was like, Oh, okay. This is interesting. Like, yes, she's 474 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,000 Yes, she's making. Yet this isn't like the first step in relationship building. This is the first step in contract building. Ah, what 475 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,000 you are. You're you just look at yourself. You're like I'm a John. 476 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,000 Yeah. I mean, it was clear. What? Well, 477 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,000 what What? She was going for rail. Okay, anyway, But you also hear again, just pretty. 478 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,000 Also met with women. Whom? Where? That was not the case. 479 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,000 Yeah. So what? What is that going 480 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,000 to think? I met with 481 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,000 two or three folks from from seeking dot com. 482 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,000 We're 483 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,000 not advertising them or anything. I mean, maybe we could 484 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:39,000 I mean it. Yeah, way. Need a sponsor, 485 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:50,000 right? Way don't sponsor. Actually, we're both We're both We're both set. Where? Men. Real men. Here? 486 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:56,000 Yeah, that story. Yeah. Yeah, I guess if I'm on seeking arrangement, that implies. Oh, also, it does ask what your net worth is in What you're what you're annual income is and the women can see it. 487 00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:03,000 What is the highest? What is the highest? You can put either of those two? Ah, very, very high. Imagine. 488 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,000 I think you would clear the high. I think the highest is like 10 million plus, but I got it. 489 00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:27,000 That might be higher than that. I don't remember. 490 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,000 Yeah, I read on the Forum on the sub reddit that men actually can be reluctant to select the highest because because they're concerned they will just straight up attract baby 00 actually, that's not what they said. They said the prices go up. Really? Yeah, because if they select the highest, like, the women are definitely gonna demand. Like, I mean, 491 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:44,000 keep in mind. I see. I see 492 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:51,000 like the subreddit. So So I think it's worth noting that the subreddit is populated by men who are using the site much more. I would say trans nationally, more Trans, actually. And in fact, like the whole ethos of the of the sub Reddit is about how 493 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:56,000 you know you need to be fair about this, provide a monthly stipend or whatever what keeps talking about. Actually, 494 00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:02,000 he's a mode of operation that they would look down on. I think because it's Rushmore 495 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:07,000 is much more even. Have they even have a word for this? What's that? Splenda. Daddy, 496 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:19,000 I've also seen Salt Daddy. Yeah, you're not providing the sugar, but but but But I 497 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:32,000 actually e disagree with that notion, like, first off. Well, whenever I Yeah, I'm just not making I'm just not cutting checks, you know? Ah, 498 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,000 like we're going out to dinner, and I'm paying for drinks and stuff like it's a plus. Yeah. I mean, look, I offer more than just, like my financial ability, right? Like, I'd like to think that I'm I don't know these mildly. 499 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,000 I think 500 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:40,000 you're selling. 501 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,000 I think you're substantially younger than the people on the site. You're not married. And so, like, I think that you get Buck. It'd 502 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:53,000 I actually think that that's seeking Could be a 503 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,000 And I know you're putting. It's all in the past tense here, but I think it could be uninterested, ongoing way to find attractive young women because 504 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,000 I think they would bucket you. Definitely. 505 00:55:55,000 --> 00:56:03,000 I think they 506 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:11,000 did like, I mean, out of the women you contacted, like, what percentage would you say? Like, just went straight. The sort of stipend slash prostitution read about it was it was less than 50% right? 507 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:22,000 Yeah, way less. I think I met like I think I met either four or five people total and yeah, just the one went for that. 508 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:36,000 Yes. I have to be honest, like I don't I think there's I think it's a JJ. I also have the impression Justin Impression that although there are photos posted sometimes on the on the subreddit, um, 509 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:44,000 that the men are kind of unattractive, like overweight, weird looking. And so if you're normal looking and and in good shape and sort of unfit the financial profile in younger, younger meaning like probably under 50 510 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,000 like and not married like I actually think it could be a pretty good like dating venue, because I think, 511 00:56:48,000 --> 00:57:02,000 Yeah, I I suspect there's a lot of younger women on there that just want 512 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:14,000 to meet somebody that can that they can have fun with and and not sort of being poverty all the time. Like I just think it like that. It's such a gap there financially, So big that even like you said, going to dinner, having drinks, going to movie air shows, 513 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,000 Maybe taking a trip like these are all things that, like our sort of unreachable, I think people maybe lose sight of how that's unreachable for certain segments of society. And, yeah, I mean, like, it's not so. I don't think it necessarily has to be, like 514 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:30,000 abusive toward one party, other or totally transactional. I think like, 515 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,000 Yeah, I don't I don't think any of the people I met there were displeased with with me. Andi and I am started curious to experiment further there. I mean, other things came up, so I haven't been on there lately, but 516 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,000 yeah, 517 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,000 I also find it 518 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:42,000 striking. The difference between 519 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:57,000 what I view is I I saw, like, an interesting video about this the other day were, ah, person who was actually 520 00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:03,000 male to female transsexual was talking about it and talking about tinder. And it was interesting because this person is a she now, uh, now meaning she was a man. Ah has done tender from both sides and was able, therefore, like, experience, 521 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:11,000 some sort of the craziness that it is to be a man on tinder. And I think that a tinder on a lot of ways, abusive toward men 522 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,000 um, you've described to me like that could be just how, like, if you don't respond, like within 20 minutes to a woman's message, 523 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,000 that's it. 524 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:24,000 Yeah. I mean, 525 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:30,000 look, the problem with tender and they don't publish stats on this, but I'm sure if they did, they would reveal the following. If you are an attractive woman. You get 526 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:36,000 some large multiple of the matches that an attractive man does 527 00:58:36,000 --> 00:59:27,000 and 7000 exercise. It's Lord, it's not two ex, okay? It's like it's like, 528 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:43,000 you know, they sign up for the site and with women, almost never pay. But if you pay Tender tells you how many people tell you people who have liked you before you like them so you could just see people that you could match with if you want to. But if they paid, I'm sure like after one day they're gonna have, like, you know, 400 potential matches and people have reported this like you can go in the tender subreddit and attractive women who do pay. They're like, Oh, my gosh like, yeah, there's like hundreds of potential people here. And so, you know, like not all of them are gonna be attractive and good looking. But, you know, let's say just 10% are right. So now let's say that they had 500 people like them. Now there's 50 dudes that they somehow need to vet, and they're not gonna like the kid. Just do that. So they're just gonna choose like a random person to message like it's It's it's a lottery system. And then on the other side, you have attractive men 529 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:55,000 and attractive men that wealth and men generally like very, really get matches. And when they do, it's even if they do match, it's random. Whether whether the girl responds and yeah, I mean could just sort of be a frustrating experience. 530 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:59,000 Yeah, I would like to actually dig in more to your specifics of your tender experience. We're running out of time here. Maybe in the next episode we could, because they know that you have a bunch of, like, fascinating insights, both from having tried the 531 00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:03,000 premium of tender pave paying for various service. You have a bunch of really interesting. 532 01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:09,000 Yeah, I think I have some some pretty decent pro tips for 533 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:20,000 just experiences. I mean, because I think you're on the more attractive side. And I think so There's that. 534 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:25,000 Well, you know, I I'm talking statistically. Uh uh. It's impossible for me to gauge. Uh uh, although well, anyway, um, 535 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:36,000 it is impossible for me to gauge. Realistically, you're not fat. I'll give you that. Um 536 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:43,000 but ah ah. And I think probably a lot of men who are not as attractive would be interested in the experience because you have you have had in your life a lot of success with this thing. But ah, 537 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:49,000 it's interesting how it also is interesting. The hell, like there's a huge delta between the experience of seeking and tender, 538 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:57,000 which makes it in some ways. To me, seeking is just a tender with, like, income verification or something. 539 01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:01,000 Yeah, it sort of feels like that, Um, it's It's It's even more than that, though. Like it's, uh, 540 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:06,000 it gets rid of like this class of 541 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,000 really good looking but not financially viable men. 542 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,000 That's what I'm saying, like there's yes, it's just 543 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:16,000 it's like It's like if there was a way for the women on tinder, 544 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:26,000 we should wrap up. But if there was a way for the women on tinder to, we've simply talked about this before, too. 545 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:35,000 Ah, validate that you actually have a certain income or net worth like I think I I think that it would statistic it would change. This is six. About who Which men got matches, That's all. 546 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,000 Yeah, way We floated this theory around two women we know and they almost universally get outrage when you suggest that. But then 547 01:01:38,000 --> 01:02:16,000 that's what I mean. Why did seeking that comics ist then? 548 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,000 Well, that and it goes back to that thing about like, uh, you were saying like, women don't want to explicitly be looking for money in a relationship. And I said, Well, does it? Yeah, is it? What is it? Why is it OK for men to explicitly want sex with a hot chick in a relationship? And it's the same. It's like, look, men like, you know that there's a lot of data that on these dating APS, like if you're an overweight or unattractive woman like you get way fewer likes, Well, it's this the same thing. It's just what our men and what are women looking for in the main. Obviously, everybody's different, but, like in the main women are more interested in like a financially stable, successful, interesting guy, and that is harder to measure from a picture in a paragraph. Yeah, anyway,