0:10

Yes! We did it!

0:12

Perfect dismount. We did it. We're back, baby.

0:15

Oh, producer Andrew, you might

0:17

be surprised to learn. Very

0:20

incompetent. No, you're doing

0:22

great. It only took seven

0:24

minutes to find the work. Seven minutes of this

0:26

bullshit. We did it, baby. Yes.

0:30

We're picking up

0:32

an episode of

0:34

Yo, Is This Racist because we're

0:37

just baking shit left and right. Once

0:40

again, we are in a situation where Tawny

0:42

can't be here and I'm

0:45

not, as usual, I don't even...

0:48

I don't know exactly where she is, I will say. She

0:51

appears to be doing... I

0:54

feel like I can't say just in case we're

0:56

not supposed to say what she's doing. You don't want to

0:59

out her as a working actress. Or

1:02

whatever the hell it is. That's been in

1:04

the group chat, I gotta be honest. Okay, anyway,

1:06

Tawny's doing a thing. I don't know

1:08

where it is. I don't know when it is. I

1:11

just know that Kevin

1:13

has to... I

1:15

also don't know if we've talked about Kevin's life in the

1:17

main feed. So Kevin's got a

1:19

thing coming up. Tawny's got a thing right

1:21

now. Ex-producer

1:26

and recently

1:28

repatriated man back

1:30

from Canada, Cody Ziegler is here.

1:32

What's up, Zieg? That's right. That's right.

1:34

Maybe I'm back. I will say, I think I

1:36

texted you in our group chat that while I

1:39

was in Canada, someone came up to me during

1:41

one of my panels and said, are you producer

1:43

Zieg? And I said, I am. And then they

1:45

told me to tell you and Tawny that they

1:47

were big fans of Yo, Is This

1:50

Racist. That's so wild. That's

1:52

me passing along the information to you.

1:54

Thank you. Thanks to whoever that was.

1:58

Yeah, very nice. I mean, they were all... I

2:00

mean as Canada so they're all nice

2:02

so but that was a particularly nice

2:05

Canadian person. How was Canada? Welcome

2:07

back. It was cool. It was

2:09

very nice. No hosers anywhere. I didn't

2:11

take off anything. What's the last one? A? No,

2:14

it was nice. As

2:16

you know, I'm an enormous stand of

2:18

Montreal but this is

2:20

not Montreal. It was Toronto or Toronto as

2:23

the locals say. It was fun. I

2:25

saw also fellow producer, not for

2:27

this show but of previously rival

2:29

networks, Mars Mel. She

2:33

took me out to a lovely chef's

2:37

table, chef's course meal at...

2:39

I don't know why I'm plugging this place because they

2:41

have no stakes in it but called

2:44

Richmond Station that was really dope. It was really, really

2:46

good. We had some venison. I know you would have

2:49

enjoyed that. The con was great.

2:51

I was there for Toronto Comic Con.

2:54

A bunch of lovely people. Just the

2:56

right size for me, not too overwhelming like New York Comic

2:58

Con or LA Comic Cons was right in the middle. It

3:01

was fun. The only downside is

3:03

that I can tell I'm getting

3:05

older because that three hour time difference fucking

3:08

ruined me, dude. I was

3:10

waking up at 5 AM our

3:13

time every day. They were just killing

3:15

me, man. It was rough but

3:18

it was solid. I wish I had more time to actually

3:20

take in the city. I

3:22

basically only had one night. I went

3:24

out once with Mars. She took me out to dinner

3:26

and walked around a little bit

3:29

and then the next night I got French

3:31

tacos with my friend, Annika. This is wild. You

3:34

texted me this and I was like, what the

3:36

fuck are you talking about, French tacos? It is

3:38

not a taco at all. It's

3:41

more of a tortilla. I'm going to look this up while

3:43

you're talking. The

3:46

only equivalent that I can think of is a fat

3:48

salve sandwich but instead of putting it on bread, they

3:50

put it in a wrap. It's just a

3:52

bunch of meat. It's like a

3:54

thing. Yeah, it's

3:57

Almost like what we could take as a

3:59

California. Readers like your protein, your eyes

4:01

and fries and then a bunch a

4:04

sauce but instead of. Ah,

4:06

A burrito? It's it's there are, no, it's

4:08

it's it's not a taco when they have.

4:10

yeah, oppo. But. It. Is a

4:12

bunch of meat and vegetables and

4:14

sauces and a giant tortilla. An

4:16

irregular my at a proper tortilla

4:18

though. yeah Rj either have somebody.

4:20

Everything I would say our i

4:23

think I would pivot I would

4:25

pitch the name of a French

4:27

burrito. The out a taco

4:29

was and just just size wise. Ah,

4:32

you know you're getting more than tacos

4:34

worth quantity of food stuffs but ah

4:36

so that was fine. I wish I

4:38

had more time actually enjoy the city

4:40

like walk around the city or but

4:43

as nice it was a D V

4:45

A. Hotel, Restaurant

4:47

and bar. Was. Fuckin

4:49

yoga flames that he was so fucking

4:51

good like and I you mean every

4:53

you as soon as has traveled on

4:56

tours it's a painter you know that?

4:58

Sometimes. More often than not, the

5:00

hotel. That. Surprised that

5:03

he is anything but. Yeah, I

5:05

will say that they had a. Fantastic.

5:08

Smash Burger those axis matter reserve year little smile

5:10

on your face right as you know ya know

5:12

you red meat that much for like I was

5:14

in the I would say I'll see. If

5:16

I could give an equivalent I would say

5:18

it was giving Amboy. If. Is that

5:21

on that the place and that replace

5:23

in an ally that as a out

5:25

where my favorite bursts I was a

5:27

really great I'm looking at the wikipedia

5:29

ah for friends tacos right now and

5:31

the best way to describe it is

5:34

basically. Someone. Told a

5:36

friend person what a taco was.

5:38

At. But like they get the got

5:40

interrupted and that's the the french person

5:43

that's a psych. Say no more. Yeah.

5:45

The first vs like Zachary Blue, Say

5:48

no more. I will go Mon Ami

5:50

year. Is that just gambit? Are we

5:52

just doing Gabrielle? Yeah. the I'll The

5:54

I transitioned from friends to just gambit.

5:56

He had litters at home and abroad

5:59

a Google it. And I will say

6:01

it is gross. like it looks gross but.

6:04

It doesn't taste good so that was

6:06

I was my time in Toronto. Will

6:08

have to come back. Lovely city Iowa,

6:10

great food and was like. I

6:13

I I make the equivalent of

6:15

a it is for like clean

6:17

New York and less scary New

6:19

York. Yeah, well I guess.

6:21

is that shocking? You know? Yeah.

6:24

I. Feel like traffic our roster super rugby.

6:26

I was captured a rough ride but I

6:28

but not try it. So someone who lived

6:30

in New York for many years and you

6:32

I would say that. New. York is

6:35

a different type of skill. I come off

6:37

like I'm always on edge when I'm in

6:39

New York. Do we live right in there

6:41

for a different type of skulduggery? It's not

6:43

like national identity. it's like New York is

6:45

like out loud. Scary likes will say loud

6:48

things but like year round of it's people

6:50

so you like the odds of something crazy

6:52

popping off his yeah zero but like yo

6:54

isn't as yeah but in a O L

6:56

A is quite scary. Were like no one's

6:59

on the streets after. yeah in anything could

7:01

happen at any moment. So. I.

7:03

Tried to was neither one of those. associate

7:05

happens in L A or like to sex act

7:07

as some. On. Fox. Yeah.

7:09

Yeah, I'm getting a guy made myself

7:11

the A Gabi. I think that the

7:14

difference in Toronto is as sometimes. It's.

7:17

Like just like the scariest Ah you

7:19

know it's like it's like the way

7:21

that like people cloud of snow and

7:23

then other people are like wow, signal

7:25

us for auto is that is. That

7:27

is how actual Dexter's also asks if

7:29

you care for yeah I will say

7:32

I didn't go through such a large

7:34

Jamaican. Population in Toronto

7:36

and I was. So. Bomb

7:38

it and get to

7:40

actually try in ah

7:42

third of america around

7:44

it is is. He.

7:46

Fucked up. next time Toronto. Makes.

7:49

I'm miss Toad ago. just make that

7:51

makes up part of your rider next

7:53

time. You gotta be fair to say

7:55

I'm a i'm this much oxtail. An

7:58

irony for Mireille. Oh, this is. this

8:00

is good. We can we can take a new

8:02

participant in the Oxtail Wars onto

8:05

onto the Yozus racist. We

8:07

have mentioned multiple

8:10

times that the closest our

8:12

group chat came to blows

8:15

has been

8:18

not so much necessarily precisely is

8:20

Oxtail more black or more Asian.

8:23

I think it was mostly

8:25

down to phrasing but that was that was a

8:27

dark not dark but I was an alarming moment

8:29

in the group chat was like wait it was

8:31

alarming 45-minute moment. Are we all actually mad at

8:34

each other right now? No

8:36

well for context like I can't remember how I

8:38

brought it up but I think I posted I

8:41

think I posted like a what was

8:43

what I would say is a gross Instagram

8:46

review which is like it's

8:48

like Oxtail stuffed burger

8:50

loom like just like too many hats on the

8:52

high five ingredients too many yeah yeah and I

8:55

was like this is great then you said this

8:57

looks gross and then I said I think I

8:59

may have said this is anti black

9:01

as a joke and then you

9:03

you associate basically half of the group chat which

9:06

is Jessica Gao and Andrew T associated Oxtail

9:08

with Chinese cuisine while the other half

9:10

of the group chat which is myself

9:13

and Tawny were Vietnamese

9:15

on the side that this is black so

9:17

there was a small there was like

9:19

a small cold a very

9:21

cold racial civil war that happened for

9:24

45 minutes until we were able to extend Oxtail

9:27

and amend ourselves. It really I

9:29

was like wait a minute like

9:32

you know what I think that you know I think

9:34

the actual bridge that ironically enough what I think the

9:36

bridge between both worlds are are

9:38

Japanese or Chinese Jamaicans

9:40

so I think that could be oh

9:43

yeah yeah yeah. Chinese Jamaicans is tough

9:45

man because as usual

9:49

when it comes to I'll just say I

9:52

don't know the any black part

9:54

of the world Chinese people are not

9:58

always the best. It's

10:02

always some sort of colonialism, like

10:04

they're not the worst of

10:07

the people that that title still

10:09

belongs to white colonizers, but

10:11

they're not not part

10:13

of that. I can't comment to that, but I will say I

10:16

would love nothing more than to try

10:18

a Chinese Jamaican restaurant

10:20

in actual Jamaica. I

10:23

had a dude in

10:25

a jiu-jitsu class I took that was

10:27

like, yeah, just a Chinese dude. And

10:30

then he didn't have like

10:32

a strong accent or anything. He was

10:34

actually like also a Canadian citizen. So

10:36

I think he was Chinese

10:39

Canadian Jamaican. He was the trustee

10:41

of all these things. He

10:44

was born in fucking Jamaica. And I

10:46

was like, oh, that's so weird.

10:51

That is the best is when I guess

10:55

it's because that accent is so distinctive

10:57

and strong that anytime someone who

10:59

isn't black has that accident, it does freak

11:01

you out. Yeah, I mean, like anytime I

11:03

see like a white Jamaican, I am like,

11:05

yeah, I mean, obviously you have to exist, but it

11:08

does throw me off. Yeah, it's weird. Also,

11:11

I had a

11:13

very funny like, am I

11:16

stuck in the Matrix moment where as I was walking,

11:18

the hotel was attached to where the con was happening.

11:20

And I was walking through, they had security guards. And

11:23

the security guards were literally like

11:25

they someone just copy and pasted the same six

11:28

foot five ish 45 to

11:30

52 year old bald

11:33

headed black Jamaican man. They

11:35

all literally look like the exact same

11:37

besides maybe one had like one extra

11:39

wrinkle in the forehead. Like it was

11:41

astonishing how they really just

11:43

look for one type when it came to like

11:45

security at that particular. A real

11:48

copy paste on the

11:50

AI. Do a copy paste. Yeah.

11:53

Oh, that's I

11:55

guess that's just how that all works. But, you

11:58

know, it's, it's It's

12:00

a little too complex to be like why

12:02

this is bad and or good and or

12:04

why people fault precisely but just know that

12:07

that's what I'm working my way there. Yeah,

12:09

you'll find the answer. Speaking of,

12:12

we were gonna do

12:15

the question but there was a

12:17

question I guess submitted via text

12:20

message from a deep

12:22

enemy of this show Jessica Gao who will never

12:24

listen to this portion about a Twitter beef that

12:26

we saw and I thought it would be nice

12:28

to get you it out because you are I

12:31

would say this at this stage of

12:33

your career, are you the

12:35

preeminent black weeb? I

12:39

mean I would never dare call

12:41

myself the preeminent but I think I am on the

12:43

list. I have to be at least 25

12:46

right? Profile

12:48

wise, yeah and that's true. It

12:50

is a more crowded space than I really am. I

12:52

think Meg Thee Stallion is number one. Like

12:56

undisputedly number one is Meg Thee Stallion but I hope

12:58

to God I gotta be like I just wanna be

13:00

top 25. Yeah. I

13:02

think you're easily top 25. I

13:05

will say there's one degree of

13:07

separation so I'll say that like she was on She-Hulk

13:09

and I worked on She-Hulk so that'll be

13:11

my end is that after Meg Thee Stallion

13:13

and 10 other people there will be me on that list. Alright,

13:16

well as my preeminent black

13:18

weeb, is that even true?

13:21

Yeah. Yeah, I think it's the Iffy. We

13:26

were looking at a Twitter thread that was

13:28

I don't wanna like embarrass this person. I

13:30

think they may have even deleted their account

13:32

but it was just someone who had gotten

13:34

a black person who had

13:36

gotten a full

13:38

back piece tattoo that

13:41

was let's see there's like a

13:43

Let me describe it to the listeners at home who

13:45

Yeah go for it. Alright so

13:48

it's a black

13:50

person I think they're a woman I

13:53

won't say but I They

13:56

have since deleted their account so and

13:58

it's not specifically to shame this. person

14:00

but it is a wild technique

14:02

at tattoo. The tattoo is of

14:04

like a Japanese castle surrounded

14:07

on both sides by koi

14:10

fish with a katana down the

14:12

middle and then you see like sort of like

14:14

true sort of traditional like wood block the

14:16

great wave type waves but

14:19

in the center that is the

14:21

rising Sun also known

14:23

as the imperial flag

14:25

of Japan the center and

14:28

it's very prominent displayed and

14:31

obviously this person does

14:33

not know the connotation associated

14:35

with that but

14:37

basically the person posted this and they

14:39

were retweeted and this this user

14:42

said this is why being informed on

14:44

other cultures is very important because this is the Japanese

14:46

version of the Confederate flag that they were waving about

14:48

in World War two which

14:51

I think is probably the nicest repost

14:53

that this person got yeah yeah I

14:56

think they got really harassed and it

14:58

also seems like they maybe did not do the

15:01

best job of responding

15:03

to criticism I

15:06

don't really know it doesn't matter that

15:08

much but this actually reminds me of

15:10

another thing that you're also my

15:13

preeminent expert in which is Godzilla

15:16

and specifically Godzilla minus one where I

15:18

did have a moment where I was

15:20

like man I love this movie and

15:23

then there's a there's a moment that took me a little bit

15:25

out of it where they're they're like

15:27

they get like an experimental plane from World

15:29

War two and like all the parts are

15:32

like German labeled and I was like yeah

15:34

these guys are Nazis and I know that

15:36

it's not exactly the same thing but we

15:38

are a thousand percent all

15:40

rooting for this Nazi scientist yeah or

15:42

Nazi allied Imperial

15:48

Japanese Navy side yeah

15:50

and look I know

15:52

it's like it's like

15:54

a different complex

15:56

thing and I mean obviously

15:59

we're also seeing The other side

16:01

of wrestling with guilt over World War

16:03

two in former access powers now complicated

16:07

bad mostly Also, it's

16:10

what one of the themes of the movie too is it

16:12

does follow a Redemption would be cool. Yeah,

16:14

I can't because it probably I was like, I don't think

16:16

we should be doing this. Yeah Yes.

16:18

Yes. Yes but

16:21

I think it's like a thing where like yeah

16:23

that the Maybe

16:26

this is also just like a these kids

16:28

today thing because I do think people generally

16:30

are more aware or I should say Americans

16:32

are more generally aware of the history of

16:35

the Imperial

16:38

flag Imperial battle flag I mean,

16:41

I will say myself like I had no clue until

16:43

I was in for like a fully on adult like

16:45

in my Early to mid

16:47

20s and in grad school and

16:50

I only know that because I had I

16:52

went to grad school with a large Chinese

16:54

student body and one of my friends is like,

16:56

yeah, my grandpa was killed by Japanese

16:59

soldiers in World War two and gay

17:01

was a rundown for like what that What

17:04

it meant because like I had no idea cuz like, you know, I

17:06

think as I was saying before We

17:09

started recording is that I think though I

17:11

would say a majority of Western people's perspective

17:14

my Western I'm gonna say explicitly like United

17:16

States perspective is like World War

17:18

two was us versus Nazi

17:20

Germany And Japan

17:22

and maybe if you've done a little bit more research,

17:24

maybe you'll see Italy thrown in there But usually it's

17:27

just those two right and I think a lot of

17:29

I would say my fellow Americans only Think

17:32

that we fought Japan because they bombed

17:34

us which they did but like they

17:36

don't know about any of their activities

17:39

in Now I

17:41

don't know anything about the rape and ink right or like

17:44

any yeah I sort of liquidations of like

17:46

Koreans and any of that stuff So like

17:49

I I could see how I very

17:52

easily see how this person just associates.

17:54

Oh Pretty color pretty

17:57

iconography on this thing and not

18:00

what it actually means to a

18:02

large portion of the world. Well,

18:04

because that flag also like, yeah,

18:07

it is of the various

18:09

incarnations of the Japanese flag, the

18:12

more dynamic one. Yeah, I

18:14

mean, like, I think I think it's in Street Fighter, like

18:16

it's in Street Fighter 2, like, like, like

18:18

in like Yhonda's stage, like you have, you

18:21

know, well, that's the that's the other side

18:23

of things. It is like, pervasive

18:26

in media. It's

18:28

interesting you mentioned Street Fighter because Street Fighter was made

18:30

by a Japanese company. Yeah,

18:32

Capcom. So that is

18:34

a little more, I think my main

18:36

example of this as being a completely

18:38

sanitized thing in American culture

18:42

is in Karate Kid. Oh,

18:44

yeah, yeah, yeah. Where he wears the headband

18:46

with that flag on it, given

18:49

to him by a Japanese American, which is kind

18:51

of fucked up on so many levels.

18:54

Yeah, yeah. Again, that plays into like

18:56

most, I would say most Americans

18:59

not knowing the connotation of it

19:01

until like recent generations goes. I

19:04

mean, I mean, the whole, it's a whole other episode,

19:06

but it's like talking about like access to information and

19:08

like, yeah, even like having the like critical thinking skills

19:10

to like wonder why, like, there's just like a lot

19:12

of stuff that I imagine most

19:14

people are not doing in this country, they

19:16

weren't directly involved or like, or

19:18

around environments where they're like, hey, maybe you should question these type

19:21

of things. So like, I don't think

19:23

the person that posted this post, obviously they

19:25

didn't post it because they knew

19:27

the connotations of the

19:30

image, but you know, yeah,

19:33

if you want to put something on your body permanently,

19:35

you probably want to look it up. Also

19:38

listeners at home don't know that I

19:40

also have a Japanese inspired tattoo, like

19:43

more traditionally. And the

19:45

only relation is that it has traditional

19:48

Japanese like wood block types up, but like,

19:51

along with that, like I knew when I

19:53

got my tattoo, part of my tattoo and I

19:55

went to Japan, I knew that I would not

19:57

be allowed in a lot of places because they

19:59

do not. They do not like tattoos, but they

20:01

specifically do not like these type of tattoos. When

20:05

I went to ...

20:07

Who does Mario Land? Is that

20:10

Universal? Yes, I believe so, yeah.

20:12

When I went to Universal Japan and we were living

20:14

... I went to get breakfast at

20:16

the hotel that morning. They sent

20:18

me in the furthest corner, literally in the corner,

20:20

so far away from anyone else in that restaurant

20:22

to the point where I thought it was kind

20:25

of funny, but I was like, that was only

20:27

because I was wearing a tank top and they

20:29

saw my tattoos and they're like, hey, let's not

20:31

get this guy around these other

20:33

customers. I think it's just one of the things ... You

20:36

should probably do the research, particularly if you're putting

20:38

on images from cultures that maybe you did not

20:40

grow up in. Yeah,

20:43

it's tough because

20:45

it's like ... I mean, this is where a

20:47

little bit where the weeb of it comes in,

20:49

which is like there is a relationship to a

20:52

part of Japanese culture

20:54

that exists, but it's not all of

20:56

it. Yeah. Yeah,

21:00

you got to get fully formed.

21:03

I think you really want to ... You just want to go to the Wikipedia page for

21:05

the country that

21:08

you're really interested in, like in their art or culture. I think that's

21:11

the least you've had to do is click on

21:13

their country and then click on the little controversy

21:15

tab and go to that and see what

21:17

pops up. The same way with

21:20

anyone you're supporting, just the

21:22

controversies tab is your absolute

21:24

friend. You want to make sure ... It'll save

21:26

you a lot from getting dragged online. Also, for

21:29

those who don't know, I don't have Twitter

21:31

anymore, so I say that for Upon My

21:33

High Horse. I

21:35

don't know who's getting dragged these days, but

21:37

I imagine if

21:41

someone deletes their account, I imagine this thing probably made their own for

21:43

a couple of days if I had to guess. Yeah.

21:47

It seemed like it. It might just be private.

21:49

I don't know how Twitter works anymore.

21:51

This is actually a secondary question, just

21:53

because we were talking about it just

21:56

now, using online

21:58

Facebook. is organized, you're

22:01

still a TikTok person, right? Well,

22:03

TikTok in the sense that I have TikToks and look

22:05

at it, but I very rarely

22:07

post anything. The

22:11

only TikTok I posted this year was

22:13

a tribute to the late Akira Toyama speaking, I

22:16

guess, of Japanese culture, the creator, Dragon Ball, Dragon

22:18

Ball Z, and all that stuff, but I posted

22:20

the tribute to him, but that was it, and

22:22

that's only because I truly would not be working

22:25

at all if it was not for his work,

22:27

so that's the only thing that I post on

22:29

TikTok, I'm a complete 1000% lurker. I

22:33

just look at dumb anime and video game bullshit

22:35

on there, but I very rarely actually engage. You

22:37

know what's funny though is I don't even know

22:39

if that's true, it would just be like a

22:41

Watchmen universe where you would just be whatever this

22:43

universe's version of Weeb for

22:45

something else. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

22:48

If Dragon Ball never existed.

22:51

You would just be like, yeah, pirate,

22:53

pirate's dog or whatever. Yeah,

22:56

I'm really in the GI joke. This

23:00

kind of conversation too is so

23:02

hard to have, not

23:04

because it's complicated, but it's so hard

23:06

to know what people know, so again,

23:10

this Japanese Imperial Flag thing, it's like

23:12

you either know it or you don't.

23:16

Yeah, and again, I'm gonna say most Americans don't

23:19

go to the, also, I don't know, again,

23:21

this is just me projecting these things

23:24

on this one, but I don't know, I

23:26

can't imagine too many black people are

23:28

getting this type of information. I don't know, I

23:31

think they're definitely gonna do access and a whole bunch

23:33

of stuff that are not directly related to that. Yeah,

23:36

I mean I think it's Asian history that

23:39

doesn't get taught. Yeah, because you're right, World

23:41

War II is basically we fought

23:43

Nazis plus friends, plus their little

23:46

friends. Yeah. And you

23:49

kind of forget, the little friends

23:51

were also doing their own Nazis.

23:53

Pretty heinous stuff, yeah. So,

23:55

I think, yeah, but it's

23:58

like understandable, but. unfortunate

24:00

and I guess but the other

24:02

side of it too is like when you have this

24:04

look as we're talking about this online or on a

24:06

podcast it's like you also see

24:09

this whole generation of like the kids

24:11

being like correctly educated and radicalized in

24:13

a good way on tik-tok yeah which

24:15

I'm like happy for but it's so

24:17

hard now because I'm like everything we're

24:19

saying I'm sure those like listeners who

24:22

are like oh that's interesting I didn't

24:24

know that and a big number of

24:26

listeners who are like yeah that's fucking

24:28

basic basic shit you dummy I mean

24:30

that's how it's supposed to go right like

24:32

the younger generation is always supposed to like

24:35

be supposedly it's supposed to be better than

24:37

the previous generation so like I think that's

24:39

just one of those you gotta like choke

24:41

down and be like yeah I'm glad that

24:44

people that are younger than me know this stuff

24:46

like and then have to wait till they're 22 to like

24:48

figure it out because they just happen

24:50

to make Chinese friends yeah you know well

24:52

take a

24:55

wee break I suppose and come back and

24:57

do a voicemail I don't even know maybe

24:59

yeah man

25:09

yeah tattoo talk tattoo talk and we've talked

25:12

that's that's the Cody Ziegler promise that's what

25:14

you get the Cody Ziegler special baby when

25:16

I'm out that's the that's the two for

25:18

you get that's exactly what you're here for

25:21

all right let's uh

25:23

let's once again let me see if

25:25

this fucking voicemail thing works oh

25:27

in honor of your trip to uh

25:31

to Toronto to Canada well we'll do

25:33

a slightly Canadian one

25:35

here we go hi

25:38

Tommy Andrew and Kevin I

25:41

am a white woman from Canada which

25:43

means growing up I was surrounded by

25:45

hockey and hockey has always been sort

25:47

of a whitewashed sport and

25:50

yeah there's like cool organizations that

25:52

work to sort of

25:54

level the playing field for both

25:57

women and minorities in hockey including

25:59

one where from that is black run

26:02

and specifically focuses on helping

26:04

black girls get into the

26:07

sport which is very cool but I was at a

26:09

hockey game the other day and a cell phone

26:12

company made a very public donation to this

26:14

organization which in and of itself very cool but

26:17

then they made a bunch of little girls from

26:19

the organization like come out and accept the check

26:21

and like stand on camera and smile and

26:24

that made me feel very uncomfortable but I

26:26

couldn't figure out if it was just the

26:28

capitalism of it all that was giving me

26:30

the ick or if

26:32

it was racism so yeah

26:34

I'd love to get your take

26:37

on it but yeah

26:39

something about seeing them just

26:41

standing on camera having to be thankful

26:43

for an opportunity that really should have been afforded

26:45

them in the first place made

26:47

me feel gross so yeah

26:50

love the show thank you yeah

26:54

I feel that I think that I think that

26:56

is just being cursed with knowledge in that like

26:58

you you're conscious and that you realize that you

27:00

are living in a capitalist society where all these

27:02

things are hand-in-hand and like you're they're doing a

27:04

good thing but also on a hospice of like

27:07

now we gotta bring out the people that we've

27:09

yeah like people can see the good deed we're

27:11

doing it's like yeah I think that's a totally

27:13

normal reaction that you should have and I can

27:17

I know that I have that reaction I can almost guarantee you that

27:19

Andrew and Tawny have the same food reactions

27:21

when there's things happen to them and those

27:24

circles too you know I

27:26

think they're like economics of it make this

27:28

weird thing where it's like because I feel

27:30

like I never had this kind

27:33

of one in in college one of my

27:35

roommates had a scholarship wherein

27:38

he had to like write

27:40

like regular letters to like

27:42

the person who funded the

27:44

scholarship and like like

27:47

up here at like events basically to

27:49

kind of just like like it's like

27:51

a prop yeah you got

27:53

to tell yourself a little bit yeah or like

27:55

I mean I guess what it is is your

27:57

looks you know it's sort of gets back to

28:00

idea that nothing is free and even if this

28:02

organization is doing the quote unquote right thing, they're

28:04

doing it for a PR. They're paying

28:07

for PR and you are accepting that

28:10

and it shouldn't have to exist but

28:12

it's better that it exists than if it doesn't

28:15

exist but it feels close. Yeah,

28:17

I think it's one of those like yeah,

28:20

unfortunately that's part of the game and I

28:23

think being conscious of it doesn't hurt to know

28:26

that. This is not an example of that

28:28

but it reminds me of like that, you know, that

28:30

no ethical consumption under capitalism like this

28:32

is not that but it's something

28:35

that's adjacent to that for some reason in my mind. It's always

28:37

like yeah, this is one of the like

28:40

participating in these societies being

28:43

conscious of like these things and being critical of

28:45

these things where yeah, you're doing a good

28:47

thing which is like hurting

28:49

black people particularly like young black girls

28:51

into a place where they're probably not

28:54

but unfortunately that's what a monkey Paul deal is

28:56

that because of that you have to now be

28:59

a prop in their public

29:01

relations and you

29:03

know, it would be great to be a society where you

29:05

don't have to do that. It's a

29:07

little bit like and this is

29:09

something that I read a tiny

29:11

bit about and should have read

29:13

way more but when I started

29:16

doing working with Place We've Both

29:18

Been and I think we're gonna

29:20

try to get there this weekend,

29:22

Solidarity and Snacks but the idea

29:24

of the difference between mutual aid

29:26

and charity which is like charity

29:28

comes with these and not

29:30

to say that mutual aid doesn't necessarily

29:32

but it's ideally strives

29:34

to have less

29:37

of it and to recognize that we are

29:39

as a are just better as a society

29:41

when everyone has everything but yeah,

29:44

this idea that this isn't we're

29:46

not doing this out of largess

29:48

out of like the Duke

29:50

heads like you know, gives

29:52

alms to the poor or

29:55

whatever it's because we're better. All

29:57

of us are better when when

30:02

resources are better distributed, evenly distributed ideally. Now,

30:04

I was gonna say, also, maybe even a

30:06

less cynical version of that is like, yeah,

30:09

maybe they're also, they have people that are

30:11

giving them money to like, go to these

30:13

donations, so like, maybe this is like them

30:15

showing whoever their donors are, their donors are

30:17

that, hey, this

30:19

is what we're doing, check out what we're doing, so

30:21

like, see how these people are enjoying these things. Yeah,

30:24

of course, it is like, the thing it's

30:26

just like, it is, and also the B

30:28

side is it feels churlish to criticize people

30:30

who are like, you know, they are

30:33

putting, they're opening their checkbooks to give more

30:35

money than I'm sure I'm ever given, to

30:37

like, you know, so I'm like, I get

30:39

it, like, they are on some

30:41

level better than me, but

30:45

on some level not, and it's like

30:47

complicated to think through that, but I

30:49

think it is like, ideally, if there's

30:52

a piece of understanding with that,

30:55

it's like that there's, yeah, I

30:57

think it is like, the difference between mutual aid

30:59

and charity is like the thing that

31:02

it would feel better if this was

31:04

like, you know, whatever the bank was,

31:06

it's like realizing, like, society is better

31:08

when diverse people, even on this level,

31:10

are participating in sports, like,

31:13

it's just better, you

31:15

know, I know that no corporation is actually doing it

31:17

for that reason, but they should.

31:23

Let's, all right, I'm doing this, this is

31:25

all working, this is all working fine. I

31:27

see producer Andrew in the chair, like, it's

31:29

very fun, like, I've seen you navigating. Another

31:33

voicemail, perfect, perfect job, Andrew. Hi,

31:36

Andrew, I just left a message, I'm not happy with

31:38

it, because I was really nervous, so if you

31:40

could use this one instead, I'd be really grateful. Hi,

31:43

Andrew, Tawny, Kevin, Peanut

31:45

if you're there, and any guests if

31:47

you're there. I'm not sure

31:49

if this is a question or a snitch, so I will

31:52

leave that up to you. Sorry,

31:54

my aunt has a foreign exchange student living

31:56

over there from Eastern Europe, he is really

31:58

into chemistry, and he wants to talk to you. to do nuclear

32:01

engineering and he received a gift

32:03

from someone in our family as a

32:05

t-shirt that says Half Lives Matter on it

32:07

and it looks like the BLM logo. I'm

32:10

pretty sure this is racist. I mean,

32:12

I see the joke, half lives, chemistry

32:14

joke, but like, I'm just worried that this

32:17

kid's gonna walk down the street in Oakland with

32:19

his t-shirt on and it's gonna be a problem,

32:21

which is why I think it's racist. And

32:24

I feel like Half Lives Matter is one

32:26

step away from three fifths life matters.

32:30

That's it. I forgot about that. I forgot about, uh,

32:35

yeah, uh, angle to this

32:38

very bad shirt. Yeah. I,

32:40

there, there are multiple things going in my

32:42

mind. One, like there's a, there's the reality

32:44

where the person that got this poor

32:47

Eastern European shirt

32:50

is just some old corny, um, physicist

32:52

or chemist who doesn't even understand how

32:54

that we taken bad or it could

32:57

be a version of someone who is,

32:59

knows that it's bad and they're trying to

33:01

pass along. But then I'm thinking like this, I'm going to,

33:03

I'm going to be very optimistic and say this, this

33:06

Eastern European student, foreign exchange student has no

33:08

context as any what the fuck black lives

33:10

matter is. So I could see, I know,

33:12

I know you're being a cynical, but I'm

33:14

going to be, you can be the opposite

33:16

of, you can be my reflection. I'm

33:19

going to say with that glass, the,

33:21

the most fullest half glass that

33:24

this guy or this person, um, maybe

33:26

doesn't know what black lives matters is. So like

33:29

he has no context for, they had no context

33:31

for getting a shirt that says half life matters.

33:33

So yeah, I get it. This is a fun

33:35

little pun as fun as a scientific

33:38

pun can be. They have no idea

33:40

what's going on. Uh, I think, uh,

33:42

I think anyone who has any sensibility

33:44

that understands the nuances of that or

33:46

speaks for our, from our language and

33:48

culture would not let that dude wear

33:50

that or that person wear that shirt

33:52

anywhere outside unless they also think it's

33:54

funny to mock, uh, the black lives

33:56

matters movement. Yeah, but it was also

33:58

a shirt that was. produced like

34:01

this isn't just like one person.

34:03

Yeah. I mean

34:05

we've all know these like they

34:07

don't understand why it's annoying. They

34:10

don't get why it's offensive and maybe they don't want

34:12

it to be in like an ironic offensive

34:15

way. They're just like oh this is funny because it's a

34:18

thing that people know and now if I take out this

34:20

one word now it's a thing.

34:22

It could be one of those things where

34:24

it's not intentional but it still has the

34:26

impact. It's

34:28

like this shit where I think look

34:30

this is the absolute bottom of the

34:33

barrel of reference comedy. Yeah. I

34:35

mean it's Facebook. This is like the thing that

34:37

your white uncle or aunt will post. Yeah. Like it's

34:40

like old white white person Facebook content.

34:42

Yeah. Old white relevant Facebook content is what

34:44

I would call it. It's like a jajara

34:46

pita white uncle, white uncle. Um because. Yeah.

34:50

I won't say that. No you can't. Keep

34:52

that in common. Yeah. Rest

34:54

in piss. Yeah. Yeah

34:56

it's fine. Keep it in. I mean

34:58

I mean like I

35:00

think the thing is with this

35:02

kind of comedy is that these

35:04

people just think any reference to

35:06

it essentially it's I

35:08

guess the version is it

35:10

speaks to the brandification of Black Lives

35:13

Matter which is one of the ways

35:15

that like things are sanitized. Like it's

35:18

like turned into you know

35:20

a logo or a slogan. And

35:26

it is a little shocking to me that

35:28

the meaning behind the slogan can be so

35:30

like fucking like ripped from it in this

35:32

way because I'm like it's

35:34

not subtle what's what is meant by

35:36

Black Lives Matter even if it's sort

35:38

of like turned into a political like

35:42

you know the same way that woke or whatever is being

35:44

used. It's like yeah okay okay it does it means different

35:46

things to different people and the original meaning is gone not

35:49

gone but not necessarily exactly what's being

35:51

talked about. But

35:54

you know this is like this is like you know

35:56

when they make just like the

35:58

O'Dools logo but it's Oh Dweeds or

36:00

something. It's just like this is it

36:03

is it is like big

36:05

Johnson It's

36:07

giving like just giving spin to give applying

36:10

that level of bullshit to to

36:12

something that is like this Serious,

36:15

I guess just speaks to how yeah, you know,

36:17

they're trying to like like Like

36:20

kill the message of black lives matter by

36:22

co-opting it but yeah It's on so many

36:24

levels so fucking disgusting and of course, it's

36:27

just corny I take umbrage at your science

36:29

shirts are just corny thing. Well, no, I

36:31

don't take umbrage I agree with you, but

36:33

I did I will say in college

36:37

for a I don't think it

36:39

even got made but I pitched this for like

36:41

a psychology conference a shirt that

36:43

said my pro sap agnostics know

36:45

me by my swagger because

36:48

post-apagnosia is the condition that's

36:50

commonly known as face blindness and one

36:54

One mechanism that pro-sap agnostics tend

36:56

to use for identifying people is

36:58

recognizing their gate uh-huh,

37:01

so You

37:03

know look I will say that that's a good joke

37:05

with that out there as someone who Literally

37:07

works with with math

37:10

PhDs in science nerds Monday through

37:12

Friday who we just Spent

37:15

a significant portion of a week doing

37:17

a very math intense episode like yeah, I

37:19

will say there is yeah I will say

37:21

they I think for for men

37:23

of a certain age which will probably over 60 like They

37:26

will find a joke being like what they will like they will

37:28

they will find a shirt like out with the old and with

37:31

the nucleus to be hysterical

37:34

Because you're really dealing with like

37:36

traditional like I'm talking about og

37:38

like what do you think about a geek or

37:40

nerd like like? You're into the nerd type nerds

37:42

like they will find that thing. You know kind

37:45

of endearing in a way that maybe

37:47

as younger people will not

37:49

find as endearing so I In

37:53

the same way that you're a swagger joke is

37:56

what things of that anyway? Just

37:58

so good that you're prior your I value You're

38:00

a little, you're probably just throwing that model. Yeah,

38:02

so I think the takeaway is get better writer.

38:04

I think that's get better writing staff for the,

38:07

Oh, they're sure. Yeah. Yeah. And

38:10

not all white, ideally. Yeah. That's,

38:12

we're going to have to find that. All

38:15

right. This, we did, we did,

38:17

we entered some voicemails. Yeah, yeah. We entered

38:19

a text. A text is new. Yeah.

38:23

Yeah, in general, that's right.

38:25

We should say, feel free to call

38:27

or write in or text in 3, 2, 3, 3, 8, 9, 7,

38:29

2, 2, 3,

38:33

3, 2, 3, 3, 8, 9, race and get

38:36

your, get your questions

38:38

in. We're taking regular advice. We have actually a

38:40

good one queued up for next time, but I

38:42

wanted to do this, this tattoo business.

38:46

So we're moving into the general advice

38:48

game because it's like so

38:50

much of our racism advice boils

38:52

down to like, have you considered acting right?

38:55

So I feel like, I feel like

38:58

we're somewhat qualified to, to me. Well

39:00

then, you were just so close to

39:02

solving racism that I think you guys.

39:04

Yeah. We got to, we got

39:06

to branch out. So yeah. Uh, Zigg, do you even

39:08

want people to find you? How do people mind you?

39:10

No, I hate to, I mean, I deleted my Twitter.

39:12

I hate social media, but if you need to find

39:14

me, me absolutely need to find me. Uh,

39:17

yay for Zigg on Instagram. My only post

39:19

things, comic book credit, cause I need you to go

39:21

out and buy those things and every now and then

39:24

I'll sleep, I'll slip in an actual earnest post about

39:26

myself, but usually it's just like stuff that I'm doing

39:28

a TV show, a movie, a

39:31

comic book, graphic novel, check those things out. Find

39:33

Zigg, find Zigg's work at the comic book

39:36

store. Yeah. Or what are you writing these

39:38

days? Yeah. I am,

39:40

I am writing, um, oh,

39:42

Miles from Miles, Spider-Man. I don't know when this episode

39:44

comes out, but his 300th issue

39:46

will be out, um, the 27th

39:49

of March. So check that out. Also,

39:52

Deadpool comes out in April. Spider-Punk

39:54

is number two without,

39:57

uh, you know, there's a book I'm

39:59

probably writing I got an aliens short

40:02

story coming out. Yeah, I

40:04

am a future aliens fan I mean, do you eat

40:06

those alien comics back in the day Andrew? I came

40:08

from oh, yeah, of course Yeah, I love that shit.

40:10

So I got like a those are all None

40:15

of those are I guess some of them basically form

40:17

the basis for the alien versus predator movies and then

40:19

the rest Yeah, well that I weren't that we're not

40:21

using it. Yes Yeah,

40:24

yeah, check those out or check out who

40:26

a future. I'm on Hulu, baby Yeah,

40:29

absolutely. Thanks for being here. I

40:31

don't know what about some of

40:33

pops calm. Oh And

40:36

when you said you weren't sure when this episode is coming

40:38

out I joined you in that because we

40:41

are I'm not exactly clear where this

40:43

is in the schedule So thanks for

40:45

being on. I will almost certainly be

40:47

out in time to promote the comic

40:50

Beauty, so yeah, that's it

40:58

You