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You and Me Both is a production of

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I Heart Radio. Hi.

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I'm Hillary Clinton, and this is You and

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Me. Both. You and Me Both comes

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out every Tuesday, but I couldn't

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wait to share this special bonus

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episode with you because today

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I'm talking to U S.

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Senator and Democratic nominee

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for Vice President, Kamala Harris.

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I first met Kamala back when she

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was running to be the d A in San Francisco.

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I knew her over the years when

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she was d A, once she was Attorney

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General, and I got very

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close to her sister, Maya Harris,

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who was one of the senior advisors

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on my campaign. And

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of course I'm thrilled that

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she is on the ticket with Joe Biden.

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I know a little something about the slings

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and arrows that have come her

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way in this role, because it's

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hard to be first, hard to be first anything.

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There's also, let's be honest, some sexism

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combined with racism. But one

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thing I know is that Kamala

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is tough and she can handle it all,

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and she will be a vice president

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for all the people of our country.

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It's an absolute delight to have her

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on the podcast. Hi, Hi,

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Hi, Welcome to my brand

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new podcast. I know this is

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so exciting. Well, I'm thrilled.

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I know how busy you are, so we're gonna

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get right into it. I've been

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watching you out on the trail. I love the fact

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that you're out there and you're

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not only going to events,

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you're you know, dancing with bands.

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You're really having a good time, Kamala,

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and you know that's to me half

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the battle. You know, get out there and be

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that happy warrior that you've always been.

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I want to start by, you know,

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talking about the experiences

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that led you to be where you

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are today. Obviously your

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experiences is in public service, in

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the public eye, but let's start before

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that. Tell me and tell our listeners

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about you know, your childhood,

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and especially your formidable

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mother. I love

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reading about her, but I want to hear

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about her directly from

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you. Well, first, let me say I'm just thrilled

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to be with you, Hillary, and thank you for everything

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you are, everything you do, everything

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about you inspires me in so many ways. I

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can't begin to describe. So thank you so

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my mother. I mean, let me start

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by saying that I've only known

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incredible and strong women

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like my whole life. There's like a whole collection

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of them who helped raise me. And

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as you have often said, a village does

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it right. Um.

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And so my mother, she was the eldest

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of my grandparents children, four

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children, and you

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know, she grew up at a time where she

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was expected to her accomplishments

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would be to get married and have children. But

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she wanted to study science

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and she wanted to cure cancer. You

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don't know, lack of ambition there, she

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convinced my grandfather that

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one of the best schools to learn was

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u C. Berkeley, Without

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my grandfather knowing, actually she applied

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and got accepted and

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then informed my grandfather that this

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had happened. And this was

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in the nineteen fifties, and he said

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to his daughter, who at the time was nineteen, if

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this is what you want to do, then I

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will not stand in your way. And

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so, having never been to the United

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States, my mother got on

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a plane at the age of nineteen by

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herself and arrived in Berkeley,

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California. And immediately,

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because of how she was raised

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and who she was, she just became

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attracted to the civil rights movement

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that was starting to really

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evolved in a very passionate way

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in Berkeley, and Oakland, California.

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And you know, my mother was all of five feet. I joked

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that if you ever met her, you would have thought she was,

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you know, seven ft tall, but she

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I don't actually don't know if she was exactly

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five feet. She

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stood on her toes. Oh yeah, she

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she But she had a huge presence and

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she raised us, my sister Maya and

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I. She raised us with you

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know, certain principles, and

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one was that it is your duty.

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You know, not you're not being charitable or benevolent,

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it is your duty to concern

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yourself with the condition of

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other people and to help them. And so

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it was never a debatable point. It was

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literally, you know, because duty is you

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know, for those of us who feel strongly about

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duty, it's not a choice. It is the

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price you pay, if you want to think of it as a price,

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but your responsibility for this place on earth

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that you occupy.

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You know, there's a great line from one of my

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mentors in life and work,

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marrying Wright Edelman, who

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always would say, services

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the rent you pay for being on this earth. Hand.

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I sense that from you

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talking about your mom and when you think about

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her being nineteen and the fifties,

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she lived through the big

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transition in India. She saw

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the impact of the

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non violent Gandhian movement,

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and so coming to Berkeley and being attracted

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to, you know, the civil rights movement

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would just be a continuation

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for her. There's so many stories

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I could tell about her that have influenced

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who I am. My mother was

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a fighter for women her entire life.

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Her specialty was breast cancer, and

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you know, before I was probably aware

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of it, I was hearing her passion

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for the importance of women receiving dignity

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and the health care system.

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And you know, it's hard to think now, Kamala,

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but your mother had to have

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been aware as she was doing her

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research into breast cancer that

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until the nineteen eighties,

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experiments for breast cancer were

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not even performed on women, And

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so she had to fight for

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the rights of the people that she was

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really advocating on behalf of Oh,

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it was profound. I'll never

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forget one night

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she came home May and I

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often we were what you call last key kids,

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right, We'd come home after school and my

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mother would come home hours later. But when we came

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home after school, they were always fresh baked cookies.

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Oh my, but

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we were never allowed to eat dinner until

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after Walter Cronkite.

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Pretty good rule, that's how

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it all worked. But I remember

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one night my mother came home and she was,

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oh, raging, match, raging,

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raging because you see,

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and to your point, a full mass

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ectomy had been performed on a

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woman and this

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person, I don't know if it was a doctor, I don't know who

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it was, but someone. Now this is gonna

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be very vivid. So this maybe

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should be the disclaimer for the audience. But

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on a metal tray, someone was

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just walking around with this woman's

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breast. My mother

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was raging mad

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because it gets to the point about

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the dignity of women, right, and

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what she said, Now, this is going to get even more

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vivid, but

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I'm going to give it, she

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said, do you think that they would

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have walked around with a man's you

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know what without

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at least giving it the dignity of

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putting something over it or doing right

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right. Oh, I love your mother. I

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love your mother. I mean, you know,

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I spent two years with your sister

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because MA was one of my you know, senior

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advisers, and you know I loved her and

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loved you. Now I love your mother and it's

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you know, all all part of the family. Do

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you think about how your mother

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mother you when you think about your

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your step kids, you think about Cole

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and Ella, you think about your nieces.

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Do you hear sometimes your voice

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sounding like your mother? Often?

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Often? I'm now at a point

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in my life where I have fully embraced the fact

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that I've become my mother. I'm

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not rejecting it. It's not surprising

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me any longer. It's just what has

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happened. Well,

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you certainly inherited her love of cooking.

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I have, and it really is one of my joys.

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And it's you know, in each of us has a way

8:53

that we express our love for me.

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Cooking is one of those things. And I

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love cooking with the kids. Sunday

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family dinner. It's like Sunday

9:02

family dinner. There's no question that's what happens.

9:05

You know, whoever is in town comes over. You

9:08

know, the kids help me cook, and it's

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you know, sometimes, depending on what's happening in

9:13

my life, I'll start working on Sunday family

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dinner on Friday. You know. You

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also did tell me in a in a phone conversation

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recently you've been teaching your husband, Doug to

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cook, yes, so let's talk about

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that. So

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I remember our conversation just

9:30

right after the pandemic hit, and I

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was ironing and folding during our conversation. I'll

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never forget that, because we started having

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chores. And one of the things I realized

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about my husband that I had not realized

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before the pandemic hit is that clearly

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his mother never required him to clean his bedroom.

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So we had to have a little conversation about

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that, including me asking my

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mother in law why,

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And so then I realized, as much as I love to

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cook, cooking lunch and

10:04

dinner seven days a week, it's

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a lot, right, And

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so I we just had a conversation.

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I was like, honey, I need you to We're gonna have to figure

10:14

this out. So he pulled the straws Wednesday

10:17

and Saturday that would be his days.

10:19

And then he was trying different things because you

10:21

know, he was trying to be kind of impressed me and be

10:23

a bit ambitious. But

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it kind of reached ahead when

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he was making something in the cast

10:30

iron skillet and we're in the apartment and

10:32

the fire alarm just started raging.

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The smoke was just

10:37

I could smell I started to smell it. I was I

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was reading my briefing book. I

10:42

remember those days, and I started

10:44

to smell it, and then I started to see it. And

10:46

then there I am with my briefing book under

10:49

the smoking detector, waving it

10:51

back and forth, saying, Tom, Honey, turn

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off this stough and

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um. So we got to the point

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where now he agrees that he should

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just have three things that

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he perfects and does well

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and we don't need to experiment with anything else.

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I think it makes perfect sense.

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We'll be back right after this quick break.

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You know, during these pandemic days, you

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know, people are discovering all sorts

11:21

of things about their family members. And

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you know, I think about you going

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to college, going to Howard,

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then going to law school. What was your

11:30

first job out of law school? My

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first job out of law school was in the Alameda County

11:35

District Attorney's office. And why did you

11:37

decide to become an assistant

11:40

district attorney? You know, I was

11:42

born in Oaklan, California, which is at

11:45

the heartbeat I think of Alameda County, which is

11:47

a very large county. And you

11:49

know, Hillary, there's not a black man, I know,

11:51

be he a relative or a friend who

11:53

has not been the subject of some form

11:56

of racial profiling, unreasonable

11:59

stop, or excessive force. And

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I grew up understanding the

12:05

impact of law enforcement on

12:07

the community in which I was raised, and I

12:09

knew that it needed to be fixed. I experienced

12:12

it. It was a lived experience, and

12:14

I said to my family, I said, you know, why

12:17

is it that we traditionally

12:20

you know, when we want to change these systems were on

12:22

the outside. Shouldn't we also try and go

12:24

on the inside. And that's why I

12:26

decided to could do And you know, one could

12:28

say I decided to go up the rough side of the mountain,

12:30

but and it

12:32

was about saying, look from the inside,

12:35

we can have an impact. And the impact was,

12:37

you know, it was varied. The impact included

12:40

that I specialized for a long time and child sexual

12:42

assault cases that is so hard

12:45

come alone. I mean, I did

12:47

some cases. I ran a legal

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aid clinic. I was very active and

12:51

legal services. I would be appointed

12:53

to cases by judges and those

12:56

cases were so difficult, and

12:59

honestly, it's the worse of

13:01

human behavior because you are talking

13:03

about children and

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the vast majority of the cases we're talking about

13:09

someone who's in a position of trust with that child,

13:12

right, And for me, it was

13:14

always about trying to figure out

13:16

a way to make the

13:19

point that everyone deserves

13:22

dignity in the system, but also

13:24

justice, and justice takes on many forms

13:27

depending on the injustice. I

13:30

for a long time, you know, worked on what

13:32

we also needed to do around what

13:35

I called sexually exploited youth, but the

13:37

system called teenage prostitutes, which

13:39

is that these girls mostly and boys

13:42

would be arrested and put in juvenile

13:44

hall. Meanwhile they're being trafficked,

13:47

and we treat you know, John's and all

13:49

of that as though, you know, it's not a big deal. And

13:52

so I actually, during

13:54

my years, you know, early years,

13:57

created a safe house in California,

13:59

in San Francisco, so that if

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these kids were picked up, that they

14:03

would go to the safe house, not to juvenile hall,

14:06

and they would be given support. And

14:08

so many of them were runaways,

14:11

often thrown out of their homes or

14:14

fleeing abuse in their own home, right,

14:17

exactly, all of that, and we're calling

14:19

them teenage prostitutes, you know. So

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it was that work, it was the work of UM.

14:23

I created one of the first environmental

14:25

justice units of a d a's office in the

14:27

country, because you know,

14:29

I saw that the community that you will

14:32

not be surprised, had a annual

14:34

per capita income of families

14:36

of fifteen thousand dollars was

14:38

also the community where all the dumping

14:41

was happening, right, And

14:43

so taking on those polluters it

14:46

was the work of of saying that

14:48

we need to also, you'll

14:50

appreciate this more than many. I think that we

14:52

have to incorporate the

14:54

concept of redemption in

14:57

what we do in the criminal justice system. And it's

14:59

a the age old concept, right. It means

15:02

essentially, you know, we all will

15:05

make mistakes, and for some perhaps

15:07

that rises to the level of being a crime. But

15:09

it isn't it the sign of ad just in

15:11

a civil society that we allow people

15:13

a way back? And so I created

15:16

one of the first reentry initiatives

15:18

in the country, focused on predominantly

15:20

young men who were arrested for drug sales

15:23

and getting them jobs and counseling,

15:25

and a lot of them were young fathers, and getting

15:27

them parenting support and then

15:29

dismissing the charges against them. But you know, these

15:32

were challenging days. This was in the early two thousand's.

15:34

People literally called my program

15:36

a hug a thug program, but it ended

15:38

up being a model and a model for the

15:40

country. You were really ahead of your

15:42

time in so many ways,

15:45

both in Alameda County.

15:47

Then when you went on to be the

15:49

District Attorney for San Francisco, I think

15:51

that's the first time I met you, and

15:54

you brought the same level of

15:56

you know, positive energy to what

15:58

you wanted to see done in the

16:01

d A office. And then obviously

16:03

you went on to be elected statewide

16:06

in California to be

16:08

the Attorney General. And you

16:10

know, you've always, in my observation,

16:13

tried to be on the side of the underdog.

16:15

You've always tried to literally

16:18

stand up for the dignity. And with the story

16:20

that you just told about your mother, I see the

16:22

through line and I so much

16:24

appreciate that. And in the criminal justice

16:26

system, you're right, that's hard, and we've

16:29

learned a lot of tough lessons. I

16:31

mean, obviously, you know, there are bad

16:33

guys and they've got to be punished,

16:35

and you have to make sure that happens.

16:37

But for the vast majority

16:39

of people caught up in the criminal justice

16:42

system, there other and better and

16:44

more dignified ways to handle

16:46

them. So when when you started

16:49

your campaign for president. I remember

16:51

you and I sat down in l

16:53

a shortly before you made your

16:55

decision. And now I'm

16:58

thrilled that you're the part he's

17:00

vice presidential nominee. I'm

17:03

so excited for you. And

17:06

I think we've heard a little bit about

17:08

you're getting the call from former

17:10

Vice President Biden, but maybe you could

17:13

take us behind the scenes about what happened

17:15

when you did get the call. Well,

17:18

you know, we'd all been hearing that

17:20

he was close to making a decision, and

17:23

you know, I've gone through a process, so I knew

17:25

i was on the list. And

17:28

then my team said, well,

17:30

um, he's going to call you today. They set up

17:32

a call. They'd like to set it up for today, So

17:35

I said okay, And then shortly

17:37

thereafter, my team said,

17:39

he wants to do a zoom

17:41

And you know how you have zoom days, and you have

17:43

those days that are not I

17:46

do and you know, presumed days you gotta

17:48

do your hair. You got exactly

17:51

exactly, It's like it's another

17:54

two hours, it could be right, So

17:57

and this particular day was not a zoom day.

18:03

Couldn't we just do a call? You know, exactly

18:05

exactly, and so I had to do

18:07

some really quick, fancy footwork and

18:12

and Doug was home because of course we're all working

18:14

from home, and so we were pretty

18:16

much non functional until you

18:18

know, the the allotted time for the call, and so

18:21

I went into our makeshift zoom

18:24

room and Doug, I thought, was in the

18:26

kitchen. So then I took the call. And

18:28

you know, and you have to hand it to Joe and it's

18:30

really it's it's part of what I

18:32

love about his character and his nature.

18:35

Immediately at the beginning of the call Hillary,

18:38

he went right in there and said, let's do this together.

18:40

You know, he didn't build up to it, he didn't create

18:42

the tension in it. He didn't, you know,

18:44

talk for a while and then say said, he literally

18:47

just right away, and

18:49

obviously I was deeply humbled

18:52

and honored. And he got

18:54

Jill on his cell phone.

18:56

She was at an event and so then she was

18:58

on speaker as he and I were on the zoom.

19:01

And then she and Doug had bonded during the

19:03

campaign during the primary. I love

19:05

seeing them together. They're really they've been traveling

19:07

together, they've been and

19:10

um, and so she said, well, where is Doug and I, you

19:12

know, shouted out his name, but of course Doug

19:14

was actually airplanted on the other side

19:17

of the door for

19:20

him to come in. And

19:23

he came in and we had the best

19:26

conversation, just the four of us. And

19:30

you know, immediately that thereafter started

19:32

packing and went to Delaware. The next morning,

19:35

we're taking a quick break stay with us.

19:39

I love the scene of you

19:41

know, Doug and Jill out there and

19:43

you and Joe joined, They're having a good

19:45

time. It just looked right. So

19:47

you haven't a debate coming up on October

19:50

seven where you're facing off

19:52

against Vice President Mike

19:55

Pence. How are you preparing?

19:57

What's that feeling like? You know, it's

19:59

some the difference between

20:02

this debate and the debates and the primary

20:04

are you know, many and in

20:06

particular that then it

20:08

was mostly about speaking up

20:11

about my position on various issues as

20:13

compared to my colleagues on the stage. This

20:15

time it will be about, you know, requiring

20:17

some level of knowledge, if not mastery,

20:20

of Joe's record, the

20:22

Vice President, Mike Pence's record, Trump's

20:24

record, and then of course defending my own record.

20:27

So that's different in terms of the process.

20:29

But I guess the biggest thing, just to be

20:31

candid with you is to

20:34

be prepared for what is

20:36

I think very likely to be a series

20:38

of untruths. I think you

20:41

should be prepared, Yes, I think you

20:43

should also be prepared for the

20:46

slights, the efforts to diminish

20:48

you, um you personally, you as

20:51

a woman who's about to be our next

20:53

vice president. So I do

20:55

think that there will be a lot

20:58

of maneuvering the

21:00

other side to try to put

21:02

you in a box. It's

21:04

on some levels surreal in

21:07

terms of it all, and I don't

21:09

necessarily want to be the fact checker. At

21:12

the same time, you know, depending

21:14

on how far he goes with whatever

21:17

he does, you know he's gonna have to be accountable

21:19

for what he says well, and you know he

21:21

and Trump will say anything and assert

21:24

anything like what a great job we did

21:26

on the coronavirus, and you know people are sitting

21:28

there going what is he talking about? But you

21:32

will be well prepared and

21:34

before I don't know exactly the

21:36

timing, but I think even before the debate, you

21:39

may have a chance to be

21:41

on the Judiciary committee examining

21:44

this latest nominee to

21:46

replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg. So

21:49

you are really in an unusual historic

21:51

position, the candidate for vice

21:53

president who's a sitting senator on

21:56

the Senate Judiciary Committee,

21:58

questioning Judge me Cony

22:00

Barrett. How does that, you

22:02

know, feel to you? And do you have any thoughts

22:05

about, you know, losing Ruth Bader

22:07

Ginsburg and watching you know, this

22:09

president and the Republicans under McConnell,

22:11

you know, trying to force through a

22:14

confirmation in the face

22:17

of an election just weeks away.

22:19

You know, I was seated

22:22

while she layand state just

22:24

you know, a few days ago, and

22:26

it's something I know you knew her and

22:29

your story and her story are very

22:31

intertwined. I

22:34

looked at that casket, Hillary, and

22:36

you know, she was such as in size

22:39

small, and I

22:41

looked at that casket and there was,

22:43

without any question and inverse relationship

22:46

between her size and her stature.

22:49

Oh that's great. That's a great way. I

22:51

mean, and I and I just couldn't help but

22:53

think about the life that she lived,

22:56

and you know, I think it does a

22:58

disservice to suggest us that she just gained

23:01

popularity, you know, after the

23:03

notorious RBG kind

23:05

of moniker, because it was her whole life,

23:08

her whole life, and she did what you

23:10

and I know is required of

23:12

lawyers who are fighting for civil rights.

23:14

She built up a

23:17

pathway for so many women,

23:19

and she did it brick by brick,

23:22

case by case. She

23:25

had the patients and

23:28

the foresight and the fortitude

23:31

to build it up and see it through. That's

23:34

exactly right, right, exactly

23:37

what a life we lived. It was interesting. The rabbi,

23:39

and speaking that day as she lay

23:42

in state, said along

23:44

the lines of she earned the

23:46

right to rest in peace. Right.

23:49

Well, you know, Bill and I went

23:52

to the Supreme Court to pay our

23:54

respects there, and you

23:56

know we had a lot of time to talk

23:59

before we got there about the

24:01

impact that she made. And your description

24:04

is so on point, because

24:07

when she started there was no guarantee.

24:10

She saw wrongs that she

24:12

wanted to help rectify,

24:14

and she was in pursuit of

24:16

justice and equality, plain and

24:19

simple under the Constitution, and she

24:21

wanted to make sure that under the fourteenth Amendment,

24:24

disadvantage discrimination based

24:26

on sex would also be part

24:28

of the scrutiny that courts were supposed

24:30

to give to any discrimination of any

24:33

kind based on race. Right. And

24:35

so when I think of her, I think

24:37

of her as a mighty warrior, even though

24:40

she was, as you rightly say,

24:42

you know, a petite woman, but a

24:44

woman with enormous

24:47

energy and conviction that

24:49

carried her through. You know, she's now

24:51

well known for her dissents, which means that she lost

24:54

a lot of important cases.

24:56

But I remember her saying once that

24:59

she'd hoped that her descents would serve

25:01

as you know, a guiding

25:03

light to future courts when

25:05

they saw the injustice

25:07

that had remained because of the

25:09

majority opinion. So I really

25:12

like the way you've described her. And I

25:14

know you've got to get back on the campaign

25:16

trail, so I can't

25:18

keep you much longer, but you know, when you

25:20

want to stay and talk to you forever, that

25:24

would be fine with me. But I know what it's like

25:26

to, you know, have nervous,

25:29

nervous people, you

25:31

know, standing there pacing, you

25:34

know, their heart beating.

25:39

Let's end on by wrapping up Justice

25:41

Ginsburg and your journey. You

25:43

know, she broke a lot of barriers

25:46

for women, and we have a lot of barriers, as

25:48

you know so well. You know that are are

25:50

still before us. But I

25:53

believe you're on the brink of putting

25:55

you know, one of the biggest cracks

25:57

in that glass ceiling. How does

26:00

it feel for you,

26:02

Kamala, Because I was thinking about Ruth

26:05

Vader Ginsburg when she used

26:07

to say, you know, what's the difference

26:09

between an accountant in Brooklyn

26:12

and the Supreme Court justice one

26:15

generation? You know what's

26:17

the difference between a

26:20

committed young scientist

26:23

and the next vice president one

26:26

generation? Reflect

26:28

on that for me, you know both the responsibility,

26:31

but you know the pure joy of

26:33

going where no one's gone before. I

26:35

mean, you can speak volumes about this in

26:38

terms of your personal experience, well

26:40

sure, but it's building on it. It's like what you're

26:42

saying with Ruth, It's like one brick at a

26:44

time. And you know, my

26:47

experience I think has you know, paved

26:49

the way for others. Uh, And that any

26:51

question, without any question. Your experience

26:54

has paved the way for me and so many others

26:56

without any question. But we have

26:58

to keep going. Yeah, and you have to keep

27:00

going. But you know, one of the things that you

27:03

do, among the many things, is

27:05

you have always I

27:08

will speak from myself, encouraged

27:10

me and just been so supportive

27:14

with advice, with just with warmth,

27:17

and as you know, none of us achieve

27:19

these these moments, and none of us

27:21

achieve our success without people who believe

27:24

in us. And so in

27:26

that way, that's very humbling because

27:29

there are a lot of folks who are part of this

27:31

moment. There is

27:33

that village. Yes, really it

27:35

is, and it is it continues throughout your life.

27:38

But I do also feel the weight of responsibility.

27:41

You know, as my mother would say, you may be the first

27:44

to do many things. Make sure you're not the last.

27:46

I love that. Keep those doors open,

27:49

I mean, and that's what you do. Hillary, You really

27:51

do. You have earned the right to just

27:53

say I'm done, have

27:58

fun with it everyone. I've beautiful grand

28:00

babies. I'm good. That's

28:02

true, I do, and you keep giving

28:05

and I just I can't not say

28:07

that because it needs to be said,

28:09

and I want to say it. It's it's

28:12

among the many things that are very special about you. That

28:14

is one of them. Well, thank you, my friend,

28:17

and I'm looking forward to

28:19

the debate, I'm looking forward to the

28:21

Judiciary Committee, I'm looking forward

28:23

to the rest of the campaign, and I am really

28:26

looking forward to seeing

28:28

you stand up there and get sworn

28:31

in as the next vice president of

28:33

the United States. So thank

28:35

you. For taking some time to join

28:37

me on You and Me Both today

28:40

and take good care of yourself. We

28:42

really need you, my friend. Thank you, Hillary, It's

28:44

great to be with you. Bye bye bye.

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