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Hello you and welcome to You Are Good

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at Feelings podcast about movies. Today we're talking

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about Forrest Gump, we're talking about it with

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our great friend Chelsea Weber Smith. I

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am one of your hosts, Alex Steed, and

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I will soon be joined by my marvelous

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co-host, Sarah Marshall. Forrest

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Gump is a 1994 American comedy

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drama film directed by Robert Zemeckis

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and written by Eric Roth. It

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is based on the 1986 novel

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of the same name by Winston

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Groom and it stars Tom Hanks,

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Robin Wright, Gary Sinise, Mikelte Williamson,

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and Sally Field. Our

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great friend Chelsea Weber Smith, who joins

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us for this episode, is the host

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of American Hysteria. We love Chelsea. This

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is from a conversation we had at

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San Francisco Sketchfest not very long ago.

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This was recorded there live. You

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that's enough from me for right now. I

5:14

think we should probably

5:17

get into it. Let's talk about

5:19

Forrest Gump. Let's talk about Forrest Gump's beard. Let's

5:21

talk about running. Let's talk about bub-bub. Let's talk

5:23

about Lieutenant Dan and

5:27

finding ourselves very

5:29

strangely and intensely attracted to

5:31

Gary. I

5:36

can't speak for you, but these are some of the things that

5:39

we are about to get into. Let's

5:41

talk Forrest Gump with

5:43

Chelsea Reber-Smith live from

5:45

San Francisco Sketchfest. Hello,

5:54

Sarah Marshall. Hello, Alex

5:57

Steed. Hello

6:00

Alex Steed. Hello Sarah Marshall. Hello Chelsea W over

6:03

Smith. Thrilled to be here.

6:06

What movie are we talking about today?

6:08

The Unparalleled Forest Gump.

6:11

Do you have any gump heads out there? Yeah, any

6:14

gump heads here? Yeah. Anyone

6:16

who's open to try? Sarah Marshall, tell me,

6:18

what is your relationship with the movie Forest

6:26

Gump before you watched it at 7am this

6:28

morning? I watched it at 11am because I

6:31

do not get up

6:33

early to cry unless I'm really forced to.

6:35

But I've talked many times on this show

6:37

about how I spent a good drink of

6:40

2003 sitting in front of the TV watching

6:43

the TNT network while doing

6:45

my homework, badly I might

6:47

add. And the three things

6:49

that were on the TNT

6:51

network so consistently

6:53

that I cannot remember basically anything else that

6:55

was on were Law and

6:57

Order reruns, John

7:00

Emile's Copycat and

7:03

Forest Gump. So it's a movie that I

7:05

feel like if you're of that era or if

7:07

you grew up in the 90s

7:09

or the 00s

7:11

then it just sort of seeped into your pores

7:14

whether you wanted it to or not. And this

7:16

movie, I looked it up, it

7:18

made like 672 million

7:20

dollars which in 1994 money is about

7:23

twice or in 2000 whatever number we're

7:25

in now,

7:27

2024 that's the year it is. And this

7:30

year's money is like twice that much. So

7:32

Forest Gump I would like to submit

7:35

was the Barbie of its time. That's

7:38

what they're saying. Chelsea,

7:41

you brought this movie to us. What

7:43

is your, and we're going to get into this in

7:45

a bigger way, Chelsea will tell us about their relationship

7:47

with it, Sarah will walk us through the plot and

7:49

then we'll go even bigger with trying to decipher what

7:51

the fuck happened. I'm going to run us through the

7:53

plot. Run us through. Chelsea, what

7:56

is your relationship with Forest

7:58

Gump? So yeah, I grew up... like Sarah

8:00

watching it on TNT all the time and

8:03

it was two hours and 20 minutes

8:06

and so with commercials that could

8:08

just stretch it through the whole day.

8:12

What are you doing today? Well, the whole experience. So I think that

8:14

one of the reasons

8:18

that I love this movie so much is

8:20

because I love history and it's

8:23

like this really amazing way to teach

8:25

history to I think children who mostly

8:27

didn't get what was going on but

8:29

like picked up a few things

8:31

along the way because it spans you know

8:33

a cool 30 years maybe of history. We

8:35

end in like the early 80s like

8:38

because the woman on the bus at the bus

8:40

stop at the start of the movie I had

8:43

to check in on this because I was like that

8:45

I swear to God that the People Magazine

8:48

with Nancy Reagan on the cover. Oh I

8:50

saw that too. I was like that's Nancy.

8:52

Yeah, spot her from a mile away. So

8:55

yeah we start in like around 1957

8:58

which is when Elvis first went on the Ed

9:00

Sullivan show like the timeline's a little bit wobbly

9:02

but basically yeah mid 50s

9:05

until early 80s which is kind

9:07

of this movie is a bit like we

9:09

didn't start the fire. Oh my god

9:11

yeah. This movie is a boomer wet

9:13

dream. Like yeah. They're just like we

9:15

did it. And I think it was

9:17

like even though there was it was it's

9:19

a rich text they keep saying it is

9:22

a rich text. It worked for kids for

9:24

some reason because it was just this like

9:26

very lovable bumbling person just getting into all

9:29

kinds of adventures and that is the essence

9:31

of it but then there are also all

9:33

these like very relevant and not always not

9:35

always handled with grace you know political moments

9:38

throughout it that I really I

9:40

think I connected to like in my future

9:42

self I was like you're gonna really appreciate

9:44

this one day. I cried seven

9:47

times. Yeah I think they do. And

9:49

not little cries. Big one.

9:52

Big rise. What about you Alex? What's

9:54

your cry? What's your body count for cries?

9:56

I was edging tears. for

10:01

at least a full hour. That's

10:04

a good band name, Edging Teeter. Really

10:06

good. Finally, let go. But

10:09

I had never seen this movie before.

10:12

And because I was

10:14

a fucking... Crucify him! Crucify him! Because

10:17

I was a snob. Like, this was the year that

10:19

Pulp Fiction came out, and you had to make a

10:22

choice. And they went head to head for Best Picture.

10:24

This is like a real moment for us. But Josh

10:26

Hank was at the same time... It was the same

10:28

year, I don't know. But there were three pictures that came

10:30

out this year. There was Pulp Fiction,

10:33

there was Josh Hank Redemption, and there

10:35

was Forrest Gump. These

10:37

were the only ones. And when they came out, like

10:39

when Nirvana came out, it was like Guns N' Roses

10:41

or Nirvana, and picked the right

10:43

one. And that's how I felt about

10:46

this for a hundred years, was I

10:48

was like, never will I watch this

10:50

trash. And finally

10:53

I saw I wanted to cry for a

10:55

full half of the movie, because it just feels...

10:58

Especially because it felt like it

11:00

was boomer nostalgia at the time, and

11:02

I'm now the age when you were nostalgic about

11:04

a lot of things. I was like, I get it, I get

11:06

it, I get it. So

11:09

I just knew the greatest hits from Forrest Gump. I know that he

11:11

wipes his face off, and

11:13

there's a smiley face sweatshirt. The absolute

11:15

low point of the film, it was

11:17

like the Shroud of Turin. Yeah. I

11:20

knew the greatest hits, but I didn't know

11:23

anything else. So I wanted to go, I

11:25

did want to go and look at reviews

11:27

to understand what people broadly think of the

11:29

movie. Reviews by top critics or reviews by

11:31

random? No, I would never. Sarah

11:34

and I, for whatever reason, only watch movies

11:36

that we can rent on YouTube. So

11:39

we pay the YouTube money, and they

11:41

give you the movie, and

11:43

then you have to look at... You gotta put your money

11:45

in the tube. You just have to

11:47

look at what Rube said about the movie underneath

11:50

it. There

11:52

is at least one Amazon review, I'm sorry. Masterpiece.

11:57

Can you believe this movie was released in the same

11:59

year as Pulp Fiction? is Shawshank Redemption.

12:01

What a year for cinema.

12:04

He's a moron, but

12:06

goddamn the man has a big heart.

12:09

I have a friend just like that. He's

12:13

the most unselfconscious person I've ever known,

12:15

mostly because he just doesn't get it

12:17

when people are making fun of him,

12:19

but that boy can work. And

12:21

that really speaks to some of the ideology of

12:23

Forrest Gump working out to talk about in a

12:25

little bit. I love

12:28

the Amazon one. Arrived

12:31

on time and packaged well. I'm glad it

12:33

came with a slipcover. However, it does have

12:35

scuff marks on the corners, other

12:37

than that good purchase. Hanks

12:40

was very good. Blu-ray's deliver price. Watch

12:44

with a chick! I

12:50

would like to know more about what that means, because it's a

12:52

little... I can see an

12:55

argument where you should watch Forrest Gump with

12:58

a woman who you think has been unnecessarily

13:00

ambivalent about you. But

13:04

I don't see it working very well. So

13:06

that was my review ride. I guess before we

13:09

go any further, we

13:11

should try to convey to

13:13

all of you what Forrest Gump

13:15

is about. I guess. Sarah,

13:18

would you mind taking us

13:20

on that journey? I'm gonna try. We're

13:22

gonna start off running and we're gonna

13:24

keep running. And we're

13:27

just gonna keep running until a cult starts

13:29

following us around. The

13:33

realest part of this movie is you start to call

13:35

without even trying. Well,

13:39

that's how the movie chooses to represent the late

13:41

70s. And you're like, yeah. Okay,

13:43

so remember the latter half of

13:45

the middle part of the 20th

13:47

century? That's what this movie is

13:49

about. Do you remember that? Okay,

13:52

so Kelsey, I'm

13:54

gonna... I think she'd kind of weave

13:56

this together, because this movie is more

13:58

in your blood than it is in mine. It's

14:00

still pretty in there as because I'm an

14:03

American, I'm of what happens. The of our

14:05

bodies are just crammed with micro plastics and

14:07

forest Gump moments. That

14:09

forrest. Gump begins in small town Alabama

14:12

in the sixties and that one of

14:14

the name of the town. Green.

14:17

Lush. Green. Wow. Imperial

14:19

County Alone. Really? We

14:21

opened by watching a

14:24

feather. Drifts. Very prettily through

14:26

the sky. And this movie? Okay.

14:29

To. Frame What we can imagine people

14:31

were expecting from This Is Movies

14:33

directed by Robert Zemeckis who had.

14:35

Recently. Made. Us

14:38

who framed Roger Rabbit and Death

14:40

becomes her. As

14:43

a so while last a while but

14:45

it was made camp. yeah that's it.

14:48

And so after he made the movie about

14:50

like the glamorous. Ah Hollywood

14:52

because. You. Know hitting each other

14:54

with shovels. He kind of dustin himself off

14:56

and decided to do this. and this is

14:59

like an interesting movie, partly because it's using.

15:01

You. Know, really piqued visual effects technology

15:03

at the time, but an extremely unobtrusive

15:06

way. Or at least was trying to

15:08

be unobtrusive. Something that's what. I

15:11

would. I'm okay. so part of. One.

15:14

Of the coolest part, the Forest Gump

15:16

is damn reaper pissing real footage and

15:18

editing it. So Forrest Gump is in

15:20

all of these. Literate does wear thin

15:22

after you've seen it. Maybe three to say.

15:24

Well now I think they do a great.

15:26

Job except when they make the characters

15:29

talk and say different things and then

15:31

they look like characters from Goldeneye Force,

15:33

Nintendo Sixty Four the little bit similar

15:36

and some of that works. and to

15:38

me the low. Point of this trick

15:40

is when they have for us go on

15:42

Dick Cavett and the other gas in charge.

15:46

Of a funny look like. And. Shine

15:48

as ain't got no possession things on

15:50

loans like know possession. This. They

15:53

don't have any religion. and

15:57

big how it's like that's hard to imagine a

15:59

flake Yeah, there's something about, I

16:01

don't know, it's interesting to think about the choices

16:04

made in the edit for this movie. But so

16:06

we open with kind of the first of these

16:08

effects, which is this feather fluttering down and it

16:10

reaches forest, or we will

16:13

certainly learn as forest. It's

16:15

Tom Hanks wearing his

16:18

nice blue check shirt. This is an homage that

16:20

I'm wearing, thank you. And

16:23

proceeds to do what in today's TikTok

16:25

language we would call absolutely trauma dump

16:27

on a poor woman who is simply

16:29

waiting for a bus. Yeah.

16:33

What is the first thing he tells

16:36

this nice black lady who is sitting

16:38

on a bench minding her business? The

16:41

first thing he tells her is I'm named after

16:43

the creator of the Ku Klux Klan, which

16:46

was a real surprise for

16:48

someone who never saw this very famous movie.

16:51

And I think that it really begs

16:53

the question of how racist

16:56

is Forrest Gump's mom? Because

17:00

she's very lovely. Sally Field plays a

17:02

lovely mother in this, but you have

17:05

to say, at the end, I always

17:07

come back to like, but you did

17:09

name your son. She explains the logic

17:11

in a way that I didn't, do you, Sarah,

17:13

do you understand this logic? The logic

17:15

is that she named him that because

17:18

everybody makes mistakes. And

17:21

so does that mean that she

17:24

named her child after the founder of the KKK

17:26

the way that when your dog

17:28

kills a chicken, you're supposed to like tie

17:30

the chicken around its neck. So

17:32

it doesn't do that again. No one grew up on a farm. I actually

17:34

know people who've done this. Yeah, we did that. With

17:36

our dog Jess, me sure is. But does that logic make sense to you? Like,

17:39

how do you read that description? I mean, I guess if the

17:41

logic only applies to this white man learning a special lesson, like

17:50

to no one outside of him, then

17:52

yeah, but you know, has implications for

17:54

others. Y'all know in this scene talks about

17:56

how his mom says that like the most

17:58

important thing is like. getting over and

18:01

forgetting your past. And I'm like, mom.

18:03

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Well, yeah. And aside

18:05

from that, right, the entire

18:07

premise of this movie is that it is about a

18:09

man who grows up in the Jim Crow South and

18:12

is, on a fundamental

18:14

level, his brain works in

18:17

a way that he does not understand racism.

18:19

And that's kind of, to me, how he's characterized.

18:21

Does that make sense? Yeah. And

18:23

that's interesting as both, you

18:26

know, it's thought provoking in terms

18:28

of how we sort of conceptualize intelligence

18:30

in America. And also, again, you're like, oh,

18:32

this is the biggest movie of 1994. Yeah.

18:35

Yeah, his superpower is he's, and

18:37

this is a very upfield of

18:39

the time, particularly for people who

18:42

are relitigating and understanding the 60s

18:44

and 70s, his superpower

18:46

is that he is non-ideological.

18:49

That's it. That's what he does.

18:51

And he runs and knows when to invest

18:53

money. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

18:56

Uh-huh. He knows how to delegate.

18:58

Yes, that's it. Everyone finds him lovely

19:00

as a result. So we're on a bench. Sorry

19:02

to interrupt you. So we're on a

19:04

bench. Yeah. He's gotten really far so far. And

19:07

he's talking to this lady who is simply trying

19:09

to read a nice article about Nancy Reagan, or,

19:12

you know, probably something else in there, let's be

19:14

honest, and starts to tell

19:16

her the story of his life. And so throughout

19:18

this movie, you know, the bulk of the movie

19:20

is the frame of him sitting on a bench

19:22

telling a kind of rotating cast of strangers his

19:25

life story. And watching this today has

19:27

been so long since I'd seen it that

19:30

I had misremembered it as, oh, this is like at

19:32

the end of the movie. This is how he spends

19:34

his days. He just tells his life story every day.

19:37

That's not true. So that's really nice. Because that

19:39

would be, you become

19:41

a bit of a menace at a certain

19:43

point. That's true. I

19:45

need to get the buzz, but I don't want to get forest. I

19:48

just, I have to get to work, but I just

19:50

can't hear about Jenny again. It's

19:53

so sad. And

19:56

so yeah, so he grows up. We

19:58

meet him at, I don't know. About the age of

20:01

eight or so. or maybe as he starting

20:03

his know he's starting school. So I guess

20:05

he's He's like somewhere between six and twelve.

20:08

Or hard to tell the ages of shelter and

20:10

we only child. It. Is yard and

20:12

ah this child. Actor actually

20:14

is who Tom Hanks modeled

20:17

his accent after. which I

20:19

feel like as one of the things that

20:21

keep that from flying completely. Answer? Here

20:23

are you should put about on him groomed

20:25

or for. Him

20:28

when he's getting fitted for braces for

20:31

his legs because he's got a crooked

20:33

spine. And then his first brush with

20:35

history is that his mama, Sally Field

20:37

runs a boarding house and one of

20:39

the people who passes through there is

20:41

obviously. Elvis. And

20:44

so where does all this learn? His.

20:47

Dance some Forrest Gump with

20:49

his magic show. I'm

20:51

gonna be doing a lot as s. L

20:54

muscle up range help it or don't ya know

20:57

foot boat they were going do a lot of

20:59

forest gump or freshly effort I reward please bring

21:01

yeah I'm. A I'm

21:03

yeah And so he. Is.

21:06

Watching Elvis play music and he's got the

21:09

braces on his leg so he's like are

21:11

just started selling in my head says of

21:13

the use it and it's It's a great

21:16

scene and they're not. A little bit later

21:18

you see him on the Tv on Ed

21:20

Sullivan show Riot and he it in.

21:22

You learn, You know you see that he

21:24

learned from forest and that's just the

21:26

beginning and force profound effect on American Citizen.

21:29

I know I'm I'm out of where would

21:31

we be The day is not a cell

21:33

fan possibly. And. A better place it's the

21:35

flicking. pretty badly burned out of the

21:37

not. worry about it. And

21:40

say tell us about that mama. Ah,

21:44

Well Sally Field plays Forrest Gump

21:46

Mom L I feel to. Us

21:48

as six years earlier played Tom Hanks is

21:50

Love Interests and a Minority Like okay, punish

21:52

why As I think. He has

21:55

a cat. ah yes, he really cares

21:57

about his school in so she ends

21:59

up have. Sex with a Principal. I mean

22:01

I really great guy and some of that stuff

22:03

out of that he and he version of this

22:05

I say something. I remember it so vividly that

22:07

I'm not sure that they will than. Islands of

22:09

much more An idea that assessing a mural.

22:13

Biggest see So dedicated that she blinks. the

22:15

principal and he's like are I for a

22:17

seen them. And that

22:19

he acts as he suffers because

22:21

they're miss the good News Gump

22:23

and she says he's on a

22:25

case isn't an answer. See? Yeah,

22:27

So she's very much cares about

22:29

Forest and teaches him that he

22:31

has no difference than anybody else.

22:33

Yeah, And then one that feels

22:35

like the next big thing is

22:37

that he means county and the

22:39

forest. Any relationship. Is really the whole

22:41

movie but I would like to do before

22:43

you get into sort of what their relationship

22:46

as like when their kids. Flute.

22:48

My theory that this movie is about.

22:50

Forests being like accidently sort of lifted

22:52

up and born on this current of

22:54

great luck by the twentieth century and

22:56

Jenny being at every turn a victim.

22:59

Of the twentieth century like she's a part

23:01

of of many different cultural movement says he

23:03

is that she gets abused and every one

23:05

of them yeah I saw someone say i'm

23:07

obviously do not remember their name to have

23:10

never him and remember the name on the

23:12

show but I've I saw somebody say but

23:14

she is like the representation of would be

23:16

idealism of like this season's over disease about

23:19

you see her you know she's beautiful, she's

23:21

yearning and she want all this great stuff

23:23

but with can't help but to be brought

23:25

down and forth as if by having. You.

23:28

Know she's kind of got more of

23:30

a zen attitude towards birds small and

23:32

he's like a very fast white guy

23:34

who can put a gun together quickly.

23:39

As zoo that helps to and he's

23:41

tall of this movie. Really brings us

23:44

back to the eternal dating question

23:46

of hot or. Tall. okay

23:51

so what's the way up and his acts

23:53

for things any for us and journey for

23:56

us is getting on the bus for his

23:58

first day at his stool and He

24:00

is walking through, we know this

24:02

scene, can't sit here, you

24:05

know, no don't sit here. And

24:07

then he hears the sweetest little voice in the

24:09

wide world. Oh my God. He can

24:11

sit here if you want. Can

24:15

you just do like a one person show of

24:17

this movie? Yeah. Don't

24:19

ruin the surprise. So

24:24

what happens next Sarah? Yeah, well and then, you

24:26

know, and then I'm gonna try

24:28

it, okay. Me and Jenny was

24:30

like peas and carrots. Right, perfect. No,

24:33

no. He taught me to climb and I

24:35

taught her to dangle. And

24:39

I feel like a part of my

24:41

theory of why this movie worked in like on

24:43

the scale that it did, right? Because this,

24:46

I mean, it's a long movie. It's not a small

24:48

movie by any means. I think

24:50

the budget was like around $50 million, which

24:52

is like, that's a big scale to be working on, especially

24:54

at that time. But I don't really

24:57

think that it was predictable that it would have

24:59

become the phenomenon that it did. And I feel like

25:01

part of what makes that make sense

25:03

to me is that I remember watching it. It was one

25:05

of the many movies that my parents rented and were just

25:07

like, yeah, you can watch it with us, whatever. And

25:11

understanding what was going on and also

25:13

understanding it through the way Forrest saw

25:16

things because he perceived things, you

25:18

know, in many ways the way a child does where

25:20

by missing the details, he'd get the point.

25:23

And there's, and I think like a thing that

25:26

works about it. Like this movie is wild.

25:29

I think at the end of the day, this

25:31

is like a wildly conservative movie, but

25:33

I think you can watch it and not feel

25:36

that way and just like sort of see all that would

25:38

be like, oh, like the students from the Democratic Society

25:40

are there. Oh, also he's like abusive. Oh,

25:43

cool, there's the Panther Party scene. That's

25:45

sort of like non-consequential. I think like

25:47

there's enough in there. This

25:49

is kind of brilliant in that talking

25:52

about like greatest hits of like boomer

25:54

nostalgia, like those commercials that we sort of grew

25:56

up on where it was like the compilation.

26:00

of whatever songs from the 70s. This

26:03

is like one of those infomercials made

26:05

into a movie. Well, this

26:07

is what that soundtrack was. And we had

26:09

two people remember it was

26:11

like a double CD soundtrack, right,

26:14

that had those very cumbersome cases that would

26:16

get dropped and broken so easily. And

26:18

it was like a 101 class

26:21

and 60s music. Totally. And they had

26:23

that song about making love in your Chevy van.

26:25

That's all I remember. Wow, did they? But

26:28

this is like that. And

26:31

also it has, I mean, the through line

26:33

in it is this love story between him

26:35

and Jenny, which we'll talk about. But

26:38

otherwise, it's just, again, one of our favorite

26:40

formats of movies, which is just a grab

26:42

bag of vignettes. And you can just sort

26:44

of sail through it and remember

26:46

all of these times in a way where, because

26:49

it has no overt ideology, there's something

26:51

in there for everybody. It's like

26:53

a very, what would be the

26:56

word? It's smoothed over a lot of

26:58

things so that it can feel like

27:00

it's not a conservative movie because Forrest

27:02

Gump picks up a book during the

27:04

school integration and helps her. So they're

27:07

like these moments, but they aren't necessarily

27:10

moments that actually lend to any kind of

27:12

narrative other than just like, look at the

27:15

innocent forest. He doesn't see color. He doesn't

27:17

know. It's very like, it sounds a little

27:19

condescending. And even we get that

27:21

great scene where he later, and I'm sort of

27:24

jumping the gun, but we get the great scene

27:26

where he's at the anti-war protest. And

27:28

he gives his speech, and we never hear

27:30

what his speech is because someone sabotages the

27:32

speech, which I think is brilliant. Because if

27:34

you're watching the movie, you can insert whatever

27:36

you think Forrest would say. Totally, totally. And

27:38

yeah, hell yeah. That's how you make a

27:40

$600 or $700 million grossing

27:43

movie in 1994. Take

27:45

no sides. Risks

27:49

nothing. Yeah,

27:51

his progressive take was like, racism was bad.

27:53

Yeah, I know. George

27:56

Wallace had it coming. Yeah. He

27:58

did. Fuck him. Yeah, risk

28:00

taker over here. I'll

28:07

say it. So

28:09

brave. Okay,

28:11

so well, Jenny and Forrest,

28:14

well, Jenny and Forrest have

28:16

their friends. Yeah, have started

28:18

their friendship. The

28:20

most important scene, I mean, maybe not

28:22

the most important scene, but the scene

28:24

that I think is parodied the most.

28:26

Yes. What is that? Yeah, well, of

28:28

course, it's when bullies start chasing Forrest

28:31

and throwing rocks at him and Jenny

28:33

says, except

28:38

perfect. That was great. Inside

28:40

of us. And

28:43

he does and his leg braces, his magic

28:45

shoes fall off and then he just kind

28:47

of, you know, for the rest of his

28:49

life in many ways keeps running and

28:52

I'm crying. Yeah, first

28:55

time. Yeah. Oh, my well, and this

28:57

aside from all the pop songs in

28:59

this movie, the scores by Alan Sylvester,

29:01

who's a master at sort of getting

29:03

a flathead screwdriver into the cry centers

29:06

of your brain. Also did

29:08

Dave, which we recently did. Oh, yeah, see

29:10

exactly. I also, I really miss like the time in the

29:12

90s when you would have a comedy with

29:15

like a beautiful fluttery orchestral score. Totally. Where

29:17

somebody's playing a triangle. And it's like four

29:19

minutes of an opening of like swells and

29:21

like hands of screw. Yeah, we

29:23

don't do that anymore. He's like, yeah, I'll put

29:26

in some Kesha. Like

29:29

should we spend four million dollars on the first

29:31

four minutes of the credits of this movie? Yes,

29:33

we absolutely wish it. Yeah. And so, you

29:35

know, and he runs and we also learn and this also

29:37

feels very key to these characters and kind of the way

29:40

gender operates in their lives that Forest is raised

29:42

by a single mother who loves him and protects

29:44

him and Jenny is raised by a

29:46

single father who abuses her. Yeah, and

29:48

it feels to me like throughout this movie

29:50

that she's drawn to Forest, but also

29:54

understandably for many of us addicted to

29:56

abusive relationships. Yeah. And so

29:58

Forest is never enough. Yeah.

30:01

I know. I know. And so,

30:03

yeah, they grow up. They turn from cute

30:05

little six to 12-year-olds into 35-year-old high schoolers.

30:10

You just got to make that transition and commit to

30:12

it. You can't do that. And it's

30:14

such a great transition because it goes from

30:16

him running from kids on

30:18

bikes chasing him throwing rocks to guys

30:20

in a truck chasing him. And

30:23

then what happens as a consequence

30:25

of this truck chasing, Chelsea? Well,

30:27

as he's running, he's running

30:29

so fast that he outruns the truck

30:32

and cuts through the field and onto

30:34

the local, is it the college field

30:36

or high school field? I guess there's

30:39

a college just right there. A football

30:41

field, yeah, or some place. And he

30:43

runs all the way across the football

30:45

field and they are very

30:47

impressed with how fast he can run. And then

30:49

he gets to go to college. I

30:53

love it. And then

30:55

as someone who has never been able to understand

30:57

the rules of any team sport in

30:59

my whole life, I love

31:01

that they have to tell him when to stop

31:03

running because if they don't then he'll just run

31:06

clear off the field and

31:08

just away forever. And

31:11

I don't know if they got that information

31:13

from Jenny because they all say, run

31:15

Forrest, run. Is that a

31:17

coincidence? Like, did he say, Jenny says this

31:19

and then I run? I don't know. So,

31:26

yeah, he goes to college. He becomes an

31:28

All-American. He gets to meet President Kennedy, the

31:30

first of three presidents that he meets. And

31:32

then we decided that Ford and Carter were

31:34

not exciting enough. We

31:37

got our nice uncanny news reel footage. And

31:39

especially if you're a child in the mid-90s,

31:41

it looks amazing. Yeah, yeah. Well,

31:43

it did. It really did. It looked really

31:45

good. It really did. It's pretty seamless. Well, it was

31:47

like, I remember we've talked a lot on the show about how

31:50

much when I was a kid, all I wanted to do was

31:52

be in sort of movies and visual effects

31:54

and watch like all of the television specials on

31:56

it, whatever. And that's how I know the most

31:58

about this movie is because they talked. about all of

32:00

that. And this was like

32:02

the first big, well, moderately big budget movie

32:05

that came out where like the idea was

32:07

to use special effects and not have it

32:09

feel spectacular. Yeah. So they were like, make

32:11

it seem like this person actually is hanging

32:14

out with Kennedy. Make it seem

32:16

like this person is actually for some reason having

32:18

President Johnson say he'd like to see his ass.

32:20

Yeah. And they did it. He

32:22

said that to everyone. He's like, why

32:26

are we hanging out with Johnson in this

32:28

scene? Well, you know that like we have

32:30

audio of

32:34

like Johnson ordering pants from

32:36

his tailor. I don't. And he's like, you got

32:38

to leave some space for my bung hole. They're

32:45

just like us.

32:47

This was a thing with

32:49

Johnson. He had a very big dick and

32:51

it made pants a problem area for him.

32:54

I had no idea. According to him. We're

32:56

learning together. This is

33:00

why we do this. Why go back

33:02

to school? If you're talking about American

33:04

history and you're not getting into President

33:07

Dick size, then like, are

33:09

you even getting into the heart of the matter? No, I'd

33:11

say not. So like, okay, speed run

33:13

of plot points because I want to discuss themes.

33:16

Yes. He goes to college. She graduates in

33:18

a mere five years and army recruiter turns

33:20

up. He's like, have you given any thought

33:22

to your future son? And he's like thought.

33:25

So that's one of my favorite lines. Oh,

33:28

yeah. And

33:31

so he joins the army. Perfect timing for

33:33

that because he gets to go to the

33:35

Vietnam war. But he also meets Bubba,

33:37

which I feel is important on the

33:39

recruiting bus. Bubba is

33:42

a shrimp captain comes from a long

33:44

line of shrimping shrimpers.

33:47

Shrimpers? I don't know. Well, people who shrimp.

33:49

He's also not the smartest man. And so

33:51

they just kind of bond

33:57

in this like very pure and sweet.

34:00

way and Bubba teaches

34:02

forest out all the different kinds of shrimp.

34:04

So they've they've met he's got a new

34:06

best friend a best good friend as He

34:08

says yeah, and then they get deployed

34:11

to Vietnam, which is played by South Carolina

34:13

in this movie The

34:16

difference is undiscernible frankly And

34:19

where they meet Lieutenant Dan Gary Sinise

34:21

who's the leader of their platoon and

34:24

as you can imagine He is a thin-lipped

34:26

angry little man. And so we all want to have sex with him

34:31

That was my only contribution to the group chat earlier

34:33

as I was like, I know he's a Republican But

34:37

Gary Sinise is so fucking hot. It's crazy.

34:39

I know She looks

34:41

like he'd yell at you and you'd be like keep be

34:43

keep it coming. Keep it coming And

34:47

we learned there's like some great montages that

34:49

you know Just kind of crank it up

34:51

to kind of a cartoonish place again similar

34:53

to Barbie goes to my theory and one

34:55

of them is about Member

34:57

of anger every generation of Lieutenant

34:59

Dan's family has fought and died

35:02

in every American war Which

35:05

Lieutenant Dan aspires to it's

35:07

his destiny We decided to introduce

35:09

destiny as one of our themes and one

35:11

of the questions that forest asks at the

35:13

end is you know Do we

35:15

have a destiny or are we just kind of

35:17

carried around like I don't know a feather in

35:19

the opening credits of a movie We're

35:23

like a plastic shopping bag in American beauty

35:27

During representing People

35:33

make fun of that lyric, but when I hear someone

35:35

say did you ever feel like a plastic bag? I'm

35:37

like yeah all the time I

35:39

mean at least she's using imagery. I'm destroying

35:41

the environment and everyone wants to purge me from

35:43

their home There's

35:50

that into

35:53

cordage Oh

36:00

So yeah, they go to Vietnam. And

36:02

Forrest is having an all right time, because they're

36:04

walking and seeing a lot of the countryside. And

36:06

they keep looking for this guy named Charlie, who

36:09

they don't seem to find. And

36:11

then one day, their whole platoon is attacked. And

36:14

Forrest sees Jenny before he gets

36:16

shipped off. And she's currently being a naked

36:18

folk singer. She's trying to pursue her folk

36:20

singer dream. So she has to be naked

36:23

during it, because that's how the 60s

36:25

worked. And so

36:28

her advice for him is, if you get

36:30

in trouble or you're in danger, just run

36:32

away, Forrest. So he does, but he runs

36:34

too fast. And then he has

36:37

to go back and save his buddies. It's

36:40

really sad. Again,

36:42

second time I cried, but it was

36:44

like a big cry. Actually, my partner

36:47

Miranda, who's here, had to leave the

36:49

room, because she's like, I

36:51

just can't watch this part. And I thought it was

36:53

because you were crying. I

36:58

love Miranda, and that sounded out of character. Miranda's like,

37:00

weakness is going to turn off for me. I got

37:02

to go. Get it together. Well,

37:06

she would not be with me if she couldn't handle my

37:10

everyday crying bouts. But

37:14

I think the very important

37:16

part of this scene, aside

37:21

from it being an actual

37:23

good depiction of

37:25

war and the horror of war, because

37:27

you see like. Suck it all over stone. So

37:31

he saves everyone, and then he comes

37:33

back and finds Lieutenant Dan, who's got

37:35

really serious leg injuries. And

37:37

he's like, don't save me, don't save

37:39

me. Please don't save me. And

37:41

Forrest picks him up, and he's yelling and screaming,

37:43

and he saves him. And then

37:46

we cut to the Army hospital. No,

37:48

and then he goes back for Bubba. And I

37:50

was wondering if we could reenact one

37:52

of my favorite moments. This

37:56

is a comedy festival. Yeah, OK, all right,

37:58

I'll try. I'm bored. You

38:01

can tell because I just knocked over

38:03

a free beverage. So, after

38:05

Forrest has carried Bubba out of

38:07

the jungle, they're

38:09

like, he's holding him in his arms. It's so

38:14

sad. I

38:22

know. Hey,

38:25

Bubba. Hey, Forrest.

38:31

And then Bubba said something I'll never

38:33

forget. Oh,

38:38

it's so sad. Forrest,

38:40

I want to go home. I

38:42

know. I'm

38:44

seeing. And that's what this movie

38:46

is about. Yes,

38:50

it is. I

38:53

couldn't remember because I blocked it out. It

38:57

was too sad. And I feel like, and part

38:59

of what it felt good to think about

39:01

talking about here is

39:04

that this movie became so big in

39:06

its own time that it was kind of something

39:08

like Titanic where it feels like

39:10

the amount of jokes and parody about it

39:12

at a certain point. Every

39:14

time something becomes ubiquitous, we get the right as

39:16

a culture to make fun of it. But

39:19

also, was it somewhat about if a

39:22

movie kind of is this ultimately sincere

39:25

and able to get the strong of emotion out of

39:27

you, is it kind of a cultural defense mechanism to

39:29

make fun of it? Yeah.

39:34

The answer is yes, I think. Oh,

39:38

man, yeah. Is

39:40

there a lot of parody of that

39:43

dying scene? No, not that

39:45

scene. That's kind

39:47

of one of the moments we forget from the movie. And

39:49

there are so many parts of it that are like parody to

39:51

death and then so many parts of it that don't

39:53

have that kind of film around them and are

39:56

just kind of exist on their own. So, yeah,

39:58

Forrest. ends

40:00

up in the hospital of Lieutenant Dan, where we have,

40:02

of course, my favorite and most

40:05

quoted line, which is, Lieutenant Dan, I

40:07

scream. Oh, it's the best. It's

40:10

the best. He's

40:12

going like this, and he's

40:14

like laying on his front, because, oh, we

40:16

forgot to say he also gets... He sometimes jumps up

40:18

and says... He sometimes jumps up and says... Yeah, uh-huh,

40:20

and he's like, he gets shot. He gets shot,

40:23

yeah, in the buttocks. Yeah.

40:25

Doesn't want to be crude. He...

40:29

Also, I think it's worth saying that

40:31

when Bubba dies, it's kind of the

40:33

first of a series of big, big

40:35

traumas, and of course, the war as

40:37

well, that Forrest also sort

40:39

of goes through, but we also see

40:42

him dealing with it in a

40:44

really different way than other people deal with

40:46

traumas. So, I'm sure we'll talk about that. Which

40:48

is, that's all I've got to say about that,

40:50

whatever he says. Which I was like, oh, God,

40:52

that's a resonant. It's

40:55

the Forrest Gump Louise from Thelma

40:57

and Louise, a pool of

40:59

trauma. I've

41:01

said all I'm going to say, and then I'm just

41:03

going to sit here quietly and be

41:06

deeply upset next to you. Or

41:08

you know, lock a cop in a trunk, whatever. Yeah.

41:11

That was a good approach. But yeah,

41:14

so you're right. We

41:17

have... I feel like Vietnam is

41:20

kind of the hinge in this movie. Yeah.

41:23

He becomes home and things

41:26

start to stack up. What happens

41:28

after that? Well, first he becomes a ping pong

41:30

star. One of the things I also love about

41:32

Forrest is that he keeps becoming very famous and

41:34

then no one can remember who he is during the next

41:36

thing he does. Yeah.

41:40

It's not like famous ping pong star

41:42

goes across the country. It's not a...

41:45

Right. They're like, this Alabama gardener

41:47

is running around. And it's like, he was

41:49

a national celebrity like a year ago.

41:52

For like three different things. He

41:54

runs a shrimp company. Yeah. I

41:57

do appreciate that in a way for the real...

42:00

of that is like right now there's probably

42:02

500 people that are

42:04

famous in one way or another and I could

42:06

identify by face three of them especially if they

42:08

approached me on a park bench and told me

42:10

their life story. But in the 70s there were

42:12

only 45 people who were there. And

42:15

none of them were on TikTok. So

42:20

he becomes a ping-pong star because he

42:22

starts playing ping-pong in the military hospital

42:25

that he's in and eventually gets so

42:27

good that he's sent to

42:29

China on the American team to bring

42:32

peace to China essentially.

42:35

Like they said we were bringing peace but

42:37

I just played ping-pong. Which

42:39

is kind of the crux of this movie I

42:41

feel like. I don't know what I'm doing

42:44

but it's just changing the world at

42:46

every step. So

42:48

there's like a little bit of a communism moment

42:50

you know. We've got to

42:52

have a little communism moment but Forrest

42:54

is fighting communism. And then is

42:56

that so then does he go

42:58

to the Vietnam? Yeah

43:02

exactly because like he gets called they're like you're

43:04

done your service is done. Like can I still

43:06

play ping-pong this is not for the army. He

43:08

gets on the bus gets off the bus accidentally

43:10

gets off during a protest.

43:12

Is swept up on stage I think he's

43:14

introduced to the crowd by Abby Hoffman. Yes

43:17

I definitely has to be. Abby

43:19

Hoffman is most certainly represented in this movie.

43:22

And hearing an American flag like

43:24

button up. He gives

43:26

us the anti-war speech which I guess at

43:28

some point Tom Hanks suggested said. Something

43:31

something like when you go to Vietnam sometimes

43:33

your friends come home without their legs and

43:35

sometimes your friends die. And

43:37

then that's like Abby Hoffman like which is

43:39

a very factual account of his time in

43:41

Vietnam. And we see Abby Hoffman who was

43:44

heard because he's right next to him was like that's beautiful

43:46

thank you. But we'd never hear that

43:48

so the movie can be like we have no

43:50

take. I mean the movie is not terribly pro-Vietnam

43:52

to be fair. No no no no no not

43:54

at all not at all but it's like let's

43:56

not let's not get explicit. Yeah exactly. It's not

43:58

a it's not a seething Indian. And

44:01

then as soon as his speech is done everybody

44:03

cheers and then you hear like And

44:08

then Jenny runs into the what

44:11

is it the Monument

44:13

the big pool the pool where you reflect

44:16

on your choices probably where

44:18

you reflect on the phallic symbol Down

44:22

yeah, yes the backwards dick pool. Yeah Yeah,

44:26

really big mistake changing the name. We're

44:29

not an honest country That

44:32

is the theme of the movie That's

44:36

the big theme we got there So

44:39

she runs out into the pool because that would

44:42

be like how she could be seen which is

44:44

such a good and and at

44:46

that Moment she is dressed exactly like her

44:48

character in princess bride She is really funny

44:52

The wig budget for Jenny is kind

44:54

of a travesty Yeah, cuz like I'm bad

44:57

at recognizing when someone is wearing a wig

44:59

so if I can tell it's a wig

45:01

It's a bad wig. Yeah, I hadn't I didn't

45:03

know she was wearing any wigs you gotta be

45:06

thinking about I don't see wigs okay You're

45:10

like four steps you don't see wigs

45:12

you can see people you can see

45:15

friends I

45:17

just see people trying So

45:23

they're reunited and then we had this is kind of

45:25

an interesting moment for the Movies

45:27

political valence because she's going out

45:29

with like a hippie organizer you

45:31

know classic 60s lefty guy who

45:34

beats her and And then

45:36

he and they go to a black panther potty Which

45:40

feels like a bit of a straw man of

45:42

60s radicalism Yeah, but

45:45

also like there were a ton of absolute

45:47

shithead men in the 60s who spent all

45:49

their time espousing leftist values and abusing women

45:51

It's nice to see that represented in a

45:53

nostalgia piece. I I truly I truly loved

45:55

it I was like, this is the one

45:57

thing that makes me be like why? did

46:00

we choose one of the very few times we see

46:02

the SDS on screen in the big screen in a

46:04

way and make this the case? I do have that

46:06

question. But if you read

46:08

any sort of narrative history about what was going

46:10

on then you had a lot of what Sarah

46:12

just described so I was like I'm glad it's

46:14

represented. Yeah, what is the SDS? The

46:17

Students for the Democratic Society which he was a he

46:19

was like the local rep of. And

46:21

he was very much like almost the weather

46:23

underground. Right. They were the

46:25

party. Yeah, exactly. So it's like

46:28

it was nice that be like I

46:30

don't know I did feel that personally I

46:32

may be wrong but I didn't think the

46:35

Black Panthers wouldn't have been down with

46:37

him hitting Jenny. Or with

46:39

Forrest showing up. Yeah, but it was very much like

46:41

they stood up for the guy who was beating

46:49

up Jenny which I felt like I

46:51

just didn't quite feel Rainbow Coalition to

46:53

me. The Black Panthers loved it was

46:56

horrible white men. Yeah, who beat women.

46:58

That wasn't really the vibe. Right. It's

47:00

kind of a different value system. But you

47:02

know we got to get right through it.

47:04

We got to pack in the the shit

47:06

happens bumper sticker guy. We need to see.

47:08

Yeah, I'll get it all. I mean but

47:10

the payoff to this scene which I do

47:12

feel like has its strengths and weaknesses and

47:14

I agree with that representation of the Panthers

47:17

was the punchline right which is what

47:19

does Forrest say after he starts a fight? I'm sorry

47:21

I had a fight in your Black Panther body. Which

47:23

I remembered as I'm sorry I ruined

47:28

your Black Panther party as like one of those Mandela

47:30

effect lines and when it came I was like no

47:32

like my lines so much better but it is a

47:34

good moment. Like

47:37

make sentences slightly more efficient when we try

47:39

to remember them and then the wording gets

47:41

lost that way but you improved on it

47:43

slightly but yeah I love that Forrest probably

47:45

like four or five times in this movie

47:48

like gets violent to defend Jenny and

47:50

then has to apologize and it was

47:52

very sincerest. It is. I'm sorry I

47:55

had a fight. And every time he gets in

47:57

a fight I'm like yeah. Are

48:00

you willing to tell the story of

48:03

the time you said something you did not

48:05

expect yourself to say to somebody threatening? You

48:08

want me to tell that story? I really love

48:10

that story. I hope you're ready. Okay. All

48:13

right. All right. Okay.

48:16

So I was sitting outside on a New Year's

48:18

Eve. Midnight has struck.

48:21

And I am with a girl that I am dating

48:24

at the time. And we're sitting on the sidewalk and

48:26

we're making out very nice

48:28

moment on, you know, celebrating

48:31

New Year's. And a kid comes up to us

48:33

and he has his phone out and he starts

48:35

filming like this. And he's like, you guys want

48:37

to have a threesome? Like ha ha ha ha

48:39

ha. Right? Just the most annoying

48:42

person you could imagine. Just this like skinny little

48:44

college kid. And you know, at this point I'm like

48:46

30. And it's like, so I

48:48

stood up and I slapped the phone out of his

48:50

hand and I said, you're going to die tonight. Wow.

48:53

Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you.

48:56

I wasn't sure how this crowd was going to

48:58

respond to that. So I'm glad that

49:00

death threats are on the table here. Really

49:11

glad. And

49:15

I like to think it's on the phone. You

49:17

know? Because it could, it kept

49:19

recording. So I don't

49:22

know. Is

49:24

that evidence? I'm not sure. So yes,

49:26

I understand the gumpian impulse. The

49:36

thing I do like about his violence is like, like

49:38

everything about him is it's like not tied to ego.

49:40

Like he gets in and I'm not, I

49:42

am encouraging this a little bit, but like he

49:44

doesn't get into like punch and be like, I

49:46

did the right like big man thing. He's like,

49:48

someone's hurting Jenny and I'm going to stop that

49:50

person from hurting Jenny. I really

49:52

appreciate that impulse, which seems to have

49:55

been shaped by their childhood where oh

49:57

yeah, never jealousy. Right.

50:01

Which is so cool because he would think... Yeah,

50:03

he's just not... that's not his intention.

50:05

It's just so... it's the simplistic like

50:07

someone's being hurt. I have to stop

50:09

that from happening. Yeah,

50:11

and then he's so contri... he's just got so much

50:13

contri... Sad, yeah. And there's

50:15

like so much happening sort

50:17

of in Tom Hanks's facial expressions that make

50:19

this character work. Like he has to do

50:21

a lot of what he does non-verbally, I

50:23

think. He's so good at it. He's

50:26

got such a beautiful... he's a... it's a beautiful

50:28

performance. Okay, so... Vietnam

50:32

speech. Vietnam speech reunites with Jenny. She has

50:34

to fuck off with the horrible guy again.

50:36

Yeah, of course. He force accepts his fate.

50:38

And then really his next major

50:40

act and kind of the part that people remember

50:43

most aside from the war stuff is that

50:45

he fulfills his promise to Bubba that they

50:47

were going to start a shrimp

50:49

boating company together. He

50:52

gets a shrimp boat because Mama

50:54

negotiated a deal with some sponsors,

50:56

very relevant to today's media landscape,

50:58

who wanted for us to say

51:01

that he used and enjoyed their

51:03

paddle when he was spreading democracy

51:05

in China. And so he gets

51:07

$25,000 for endorsing a paddle that

51:09

has a picture of his

51:12

face on one side and on the other

51:14

side, Chairman Mao. It

51:17

feels very true to the kind

51:19

of product we were making in about 1975. And

51:24

so he takes his money, gets a shrimp

51:26

boat. Not doing so hot.

51:28

But Lieutenant Dan, who has, you know,

51:30

we've since also seen Forrest having a

51:33

very like divorced dad's custody weekend with

51:35

him. Oh, God. Yes,

51:37

so true. Oh, my God. Lieutenant

51:40

Dan is really struggling, but

51:43

he at the time was like, if you ever

51:45

become captain of a shrimp boat, I'll be your

51:47

first mate. And then true

51:50

to his word, he shows up and is like, I'll

51:52

be your first mate. Like I said really

51:54

meanly that time. And I

51:56

am crying. Yeah. I know.

51:59

Because this is the best. This is

52:01

how men express affection in America historically.

52:03

You never say a nice thing until

52:05

somebody, until you're about to die. And

52:09

also what I love is that there's a part later

52:11

on where he's like, I never thank you for saving

52:13

my life. And then he doesn't thank

52:15

him. But

52:18

it's so much nicer than Forrest's

52:20

dad who just went on vacation.

52:22

So at least he has Lieutenant

52:26

Dan here to recognize the

52:28

fact that he hasn't apologized and not being the

52:30

closest he's ever going to get. A

52:33

lot closer than they get. And

52:38

so they do. And classic

52:40

Forrest Gump luck. And

52:42

I love this sequence. They're manning

52:44

the shrimp boat. They're not having very much

52:47

luck. And then a hurricane comes through and

52:49

Lieutenant Dan is like lashed to the mast

52:52

screaming at God. It's one of my favorite

52:54

parts. It's so beautiful with his tied off

52:56

legs, pants. And yeah, he's

52:59

just up there riding it and just

53:01

screaming at the storm. We find out

53:03

that it was a hurricane. Yeah, a

53:06

hurricane Carmen. And

53:08

it destroys every shrimp boat that

53:10

bears. So

53:12

suddenly there's shrimp, you know, captains of

53:15

the south. And

53:17

then, you know, they

53:19

grow that apparently through Lieutenant Dan's

53:21

very good business mind into the

53:24

Bubba Grump shrimp company. And

53:27

it feels to me like maybe the

53:29

most overtly conservative aspect of this movie that it's

53:31

like well, if you're a good person, you'll just

53:33

kind of bob along and then eventually, you know,

53:35

start a giant company. Yeah. Well,

53:38

and the part of that

53:40

too is because during the storm, because,

53:42

you know, Lieutenant Dan's always kind of

53:44

hated God. Right. And

53:49

during that hurricane scene, I think, you

53:51

know, Forrest says he thinks that Lieutenant

53:53

Dan made his peace with God because

53:55

the storm stops, the sun comes out

53:57

and Lieutenant Dan is like swimming. really

54:00

beautiful scene. And so I think

54:02

that... Real prosperity gospel. Yeah. So

54:04

I think like there's that read

54:07

too is that, you know, they

54:09

made their peace with God and

54:13

the bounty arrived. The shrimp bounty.

54:16

And all those other shrimp boat captains who've been

54:18

working in that industry for a long time and

54:20

some of whom we can see and are black,

54:23

God doesn't like them. Nope. And

54:25

that's just like, yeah, it's not the overt

54:28

stuff in the American myth that gets dangerous.

54:30

It's all the unspoken stuff underneath who gets

54:32

favored. Well, that is far as like sort

54:34

of like what does forest represent, which I'm

54:36

sure we'll talk a little bit more in

54:38

a bit. But the

54:41

one sort of overlapping dynamic I saw

54:43

repeated a lot by people is he's

54:45

like, this is like America's imagination of

54:47

itself, which is like a real stupid,

54:50

real sweet, real fast guy who is

54:52

in the right, right time and

54:54

right place enough to become a gajillionaire, as

54:56

he says, which is like the promise. You

54:58

know, it's like, you don't have to be that smart. You just

55:01

have to go real fast.

55:03

Yeah. Yeah. And be like good. Right.

55:05

Like big, big quotes. You'll get that

55:07

big apple money. Wow.

55:10

Yeah. And then in a

55:12

scene I love, they get a call on the

55:15

shrimp boat that his mama is sick and

55:17

so forced after thinking for exactly five seconds,

55:19

I counted jumps fully clothed into the river

55:21

or into the water and

55:23

swims to shore. And then the next we see him,

55:25

he is running down the road to his mama. Yeah.

55:29

I love the way he just kind of gets

55:32

from point A to point B when he needs

55:34

to. And yeah, and it's mama's time

55:36

to die. And she that's when she tells

55:38

him about the box of chocolates. And I

55:40

love his whole thing throughout. You know, mama

55:42

always had a way of explaining things in a way

55:44

that I could understand. Yeah.

55:49

And this is really the period of like trauma

55:51

that has in a way nowhere to go

55:53

and kind of watching that happen in the

55:56

movie because then, you know, he stays

55:58

in town. after she passes and

56:00

has a ton of money at

56:02

this point, but decides

56:05

to mow the mow some grass

56:07

for free. And then Jenny

56:09

comes for a visit, and they have

56:11

kind of, until the very end of the

56:13

story, their period of greatest intimacy. And

56:16

he asks her to marry him,

56:18

and she says no. And

56:21

he feels like she doesn't love him. And

56:23

then she does what any healthy, rational woman

56:26

would do, which is to say that she does love

56:28

him, have sex with him, and then leave it don

56:30

and disappear for years. And

56:33

then the least remembered part of this

56:36

movie happens, which is that they have sex

56:38

on the night of the bicentennial, which is

56:40

some kind of metaphor for something. And

56:42

then the next day Forrest, not

56:44

knowing what to do

56:47

with himself and feeling the compounded grief

56:49

of just everything, just decides

56:51

to run back and forth across the country for

56:53

three years. Alex, what do you make

56:55

of this part in a movie that has been so chock

56:57

full of just big

56:59

moment, big moment, big moment, and then it's late 70s?

57:02

And they're like, I don't know. He runs around for

57:04

a while. Well, I think it's like the whole malaise

57:06

thing, right? Is that it's like, we've been doing 60s,

57:08

60s, 60s, 60s, like

57:11

early 70s, end of the war, sort

57:13

of finishing communism. And this is just

57:15

like the weird period between all of

57:17

the big event stuff that you remember

57:19

over the past two decades. And then

57:21

before we enter the quote optimism of

57:23

the 80s, is we

57:25

just have someone who's like, I need to psychologically

57:28

work through everything that just happened for the

57:31

past 20 years. It's

57:33

going to require two and a half years of

57:35

running back and forth, which is

57:37

a very on the nose metaphor that

57:39

I appreciate. Yeah, and it really resonates with

57:41

a group of people who start following him. All

57:45

of them also wearing inappropriate attire.

57:48

This is Jonestown time, like literally. This is like

57:50

the 77, 78, 78. That

57:55

man's wearing overalls. I

57:57

mean, they've got sneakers on, so that's something. And

58:01

then, yeah, we come to, we're back

58:03

to speed and we find out that he's sitting on this

58:05

bench because Jenny got in touch with him because she

58:07

saw that he became famous through

58:10

the traumatic ultra marathon that she

58:12

inspired, so. I'm not quite at

58:14

level, really fuck you up. But

58:17

it will give you rock hard cash.

58:24

And then, you know, he comes and meets her

58:26

and finds out that the

58:30

one time he ever has had sex

58:32

in his life, he managed to sire

58:34

Haley Joel Osment. And

58:37

the amount of acting that Tom Hanks is

58:39

doing in the moment where he is trying

58:41

to ask Jenny if their son is smart.

58:45

And Jenny's like, no, he's very smart. He's one of

58:47

the smartest in his class. And you're like, oh,

58:49

so his childhood will be really fun then. Yeah. So

58:52

he's going to be depressed. Yeah.

58:58

And have a lot of anxiety. Your like, oh man, fourth

59:00

son is going to get into radio head. And

59:04

then Jenny says that she has a

59:06

virus that, you know, she

59:08

is another woman who is now going to

59:10

die on forest. The

59:12

virus isn't specified apparently in the novel that

59:15

this movie is adapted from. Fun bit of

59:17

trivia. This is based on a book. She

59:20

has hepatitis C, which wasn't isolated until 1989.

59:23

But I, growing up, always thought it was

59:25

HIV. Did you guys think that? It is in the

59:28

movie. Yes. But they never

59:30

say that they don't say what it is. Right. But

59:33

it's 1981. And

59:35

that is right when this like,

59:37

you know, mystery virus was going around

59:39

and it hadn't been named yet, I

59:41

think. So it's very heavily implied.

59:43

But then I read a review recently that said

59:45

most likely it's hepatitis C. And I was like,

59:49

like I think that they're hinting at being HIV because

59:51

they can trust a 90s audience to be like, oh,

59:53

I figured it out. I'm proud of my death. But

59:55

this is also a time when straight white women

59:58

were not being considered as a group impacted. by

1:00:00

this at all. We're like doctors at

1:00:02

this time. We're so kind of trained

1:00:04

in homophobia that on some level, many of them seem

1:00:06

to believe that if you were not a gay man,

1:00:08

you simply could not contract it. But

1:00:11

Jenny dies. That person who has Horace

1:00:13

Love Syndrome. She dies real fast. Jenny

1:00:16

marries Horace. It's like

1:00:18

a very small wedding on his

1:00:20

house property and who should appear

1:00:23

but Lieutenant Dan. With his new

1:00:25

fiancee, Susan. And

1:00:30

I'm fully weeping at that point. Do you remember

1:00:32

how in Seinfeld, they had all those

1:00:34

fake movies that the characters would watch and one of

1:00:36

them was called Cry, Cry Again. But

1:00:39

this movie could be called. And

1:00:43

the end of the movie, the ending beat

1:00:45

of this movie. How many of you remember

1:00:47

this? He puts his son on a bus,

1:00:50

the same bus he boarded 30 years ago.

1:00:52

And the bus driver, and

1:00:54

the bus driver is still

1:00:57

Siobhan Fallon. Who

1:00:59

has not aged. A true star. Yeah, a true

1:01:01

star of this movie. What is Forrest Gump about?

1:01:03

It's about Siobhan Fallon. I

1:01:05

would really like to get that. She's a phantom. Yeah, I would

1:01:07

like to see that movie just from her side. We

1:01:10

have, I'm just letting you, we have about like 13 minutes

1:01:12

left. So what do we wanna talk about

1:01:15

for themes? I

1:01:17

would like to say that Forrest Gump is

1:01:19

a sock icon. He's

1:01:22

got great socks in this movie. I didn't notice.

1:01:25

You didn't notice? What did he notice? Ironically,

1:01:28

Lieutenant Dan is the one who gave him

1:01:30

all the sock advice. It's true. And then

1:01:32

tragically, Lieutenant Dan loses his sock, sock,

1:01:35

host. So

1:01:39

like, like captaining the

1:01:41

shrimp boat, in

1:01:43

honor of Lieutenant Dan's legs that he lost,

1:01:45

he has to represent the sock. He has to bring

1:01:47

it. Bring

1:01:49

it, okay. Yeah, that's the bring it on. We

1:01:52

have no reference. We have no where that came from. We

1:01:56

have socks as a theme. I

1:01:58

mean. I

1:02:00

just wanted to start off with a

1:02:02

politically unsafe topic since we're taking risks.

1:02:05

Yeah. Socks. Well,

1:02:08

I feel like the main, to

1:02:10

me the main question is sort of what

1:02:12

do we think of Forrest himself? Because in my

1:02:14

opinion, this movie is taking

1:02:16

some very big swings. That's not an

1:02:18

opinion. That's more than a fact. More

1:02:21

of a fact. And I

1:02:23

think Tom Hanks is the one holding it together. And

1:02:25

if we didn't have a sense that the

1:02:28

person portraying this character was never laughing at

1:02:30

him, and if we know that he's

1:02:32

doing it with complete 150% sincerity, which is

1:02:35

the way I feel, I

1:02:37

think that's what makes it work. And

1:02:39

I feel like the Forrest Gump sort of cliche

1:02:42

has, the humanity

1:02:44

is the first thing to go when you do this

1:02:46

sort of parody version. What

1:02:49

do you think? No, I think

1:02:51

that I agree with

1:02:53

you because I don't know. It's

1:02:55

like you're hardly ever laughing at Forrest

1:02:57

in like a mean way too. But

1:02:59

he's so funny. Like Tom Hanks plays

1:03:01

him so, so funny. But it's never

1:03:03

in a way where you're like laughing

1:03:05

because he's so stupid, right? No,

1:03:08

yeah. And I feel like the things that he says

1:03:10

generally are closer to the truth than

1:03:12

most of the people he's existing

1:03:14

alongside. And that's the Arthurian

1:03:17

kind of Perciful, the wise fool kind

1:03:19

of role that he's playing in this.

1:03:21

Yeah, man. Yeah,

1:03:23

like I remember enjoying when I was

1:03:25

a kid and still in the same

1:03:27

way enjoying when he's watching

1:03:29

the very Abby Hoffman coded character. And he's

1:03:32

like, for some reason he was wearing an

1:03:34

American flag as a shirt. You

1:03:36

know, and just that he kind of he takes in what's happening

1:03:38

in a way that he wouldn't be able to if he were

1:03:40

bogged down in ideology

1:03:43

or ego. And so it feels

1:03:45

like I don't know that this

1:03:48

movie, I feel like I may be

1:03:50

putting a little bit too much faith in it. But I feel

1:03:52

like this is a movie that's

1:03:54

struggling in a decade that's all about sort

1:03:57

of individual excellence.

1:04:00

being the master of your own fortune, which certainly is

1:04:02

a big part of this too inevitably, that

1:04:04

it's also trying to think about what if there's more

1:04:06

than one way to be intelligent. Yeah, and I

1:04:08

mean, that generation, right? Would

1:04:10

that be not, would that be his, the

1:04:12

me generation, would that be his generation? That

1:04:15

was what the baby boomers were called at

1:04:17

one point. Back when boomers were being

1:04:19

abused before they turned down and perpetuated the cycle.

1:04:22

Yes, yes, yes. But I

1:04:24

know something that we should talk about is

1:04:26

Jenny. Oh,

1:04:29

I want to, I have this quote. Okay. So

1:04:32

this is one of the reviews. Jenny,

1:04:34

why are you so good to me? Forrest, you're my girl.

1:04:37

Jenny, I'll always be your girl. And then

1:04:39

this is the commentary from the, from the

1:04:41

commenter. Stupid Jenny. You

1:04:43

don't deserve such a beautiful soul like

1:04:46

Forrest. And I, I,

1:04:49

the only thing I knew about this movie going

1:04:51

into it or all of the things that we've

1:04:53

talked about, but also that people hate Jenny like

1:04:55

they hate Skylar on Breaking Bad. And

1:04:58

I don't understand it at all knowing

1:05:01

her history or her life or anything

1:05:03

she went through outside of misogyny, misogyny

1:05:06

is a thing. But I didn't, I

1:05:09

was like, why do we hate Jenny? Like,

1:05:11

like maybe, and I thought that they were,

1:05:13

I thought that maybe there's frustration because she's

1:05:15

a representative of unrequited love. And like, you

1:05:18

know, people think that they're heroes

1:05:20

in situations, they deserve things that they would,

1:05:23

but I didn't understand it. Do you have, I feel

1:05:25

like you have strong Jenny feelings. I

1:05:27

don't, I wouldn't say I have strong Jenny

1:05:30

feelings. I feel like I understand the frustration

1:05:32

of Jenny because she tends to show up

1:05:34

when it is like beneficial to her in

1:05:36

some way. And she finally commits to a

1:05:39

relationship when she's dying of something and

1:05:41

needs round the clock care, which certainly

1:05:43

does give one pause. Yeah. And needs

1:05:45

someone to take care of, you know, the, the

1:05:48

son that she did not tell him about for

1:05:50

a long time. She made some bold choices and

1:05:52

she made them boldly. Yeah.

1:05:54

Yeah. And I think that,

1:05:56

you know, she did grow up super traumatized and

1:05:59

continue to have trauma. And she wasn't

1:06:01

like an abusive person before us like

1:06:03

she just kind of like she

1:06:05

was just a disappear and You

1:06:08

know I mean many of us are Disappears

1:06:10

I think I got the sense that she

1:06:12

showed up when she had the capacity

1:06:14

to okay, and I I

1:06:17

think that like We probably all do that more

1:06:19

than we would like to admit So

1:06:22

I think like in a way like she makes people Uncomfortable,

1:06:25

but I was like I don't know like that whole

1:06:27

her whole origin story to me speaks to being like

1:06:29

this is a person Who probably is gonna have some

1:06:31

difficulty showing up for the rest of the time yeah?

1:06:34

Yeah, and there's that amazing scene where

1:06:36

she comes back to Alabama

1:06:39

and is living with forest and they're

1:06:42

on this walk and she leads them

1:06:44

to the house that she grew up

1:06:46

in that she was like severely abused

1:06:48

in by her father And she just

1:06:50

starts hucking rocks at the house and

1:06:52

for says something like I guess there

1:06:54

wasn't enough rocks in the world because

1:06:56

he still doesn't like fully understand what

1:06:58

had happened in the house and After

1:07:01

she dies for it There's just this short

1:07:04

little scene where a forest shows up with a

1:07:06

bulldozer and knocks over the whole house. I

1:07:08

know and it's And

1:07:12

I do think people like you know

1:07:14

look at forest as this like just

1:07:16

benevolent id almost Generally the

1:07:18

id is not so benevolent, but in his case

1:07:21

it is and I think that

1:07:23

like Jenny

1:07:25

is kind of the opposite of

1:07:28

like this cynical person who

1:07:30

has so worn down by

1:07:32

the world and they just

1:07:35

that interaction I think makes some people

1:07:37

feel angry because You

1:07:39

know it's like this cynical thing is hurting this

1:07:42

beautiful innocent Soul like

1:07:44

forests, and I mean that's just I

1:07:46

don't know I think Forest has a

1:07:48

lot of trauma as well, but it's different kind of trauma.

1:07:50

I think he has a kind

1:07:53

of trauma that wasn't as like Fundamental

1:07:56

to him like it wasn't when he

1:07:58

was a child growing up having this

1:08:00

experience with his father, right? It's not

1:08:02

the same foundation. And so I think

1:08:04

we can give Jenny a lot

1:08:06

of grace. But she also

1:08:09

didn't, she wouldn't stick around. I don't know. I

1:08:12

think it's complicated. It's really complicated. I don't have...

1:08:14

I feel like you should do what you're wrong about on Jenny. Yeah.

1:08:18

Another maligned woman of the 90s. Do

1:08:20

you have a strong... Do you have strong

1:08:22

Jenny feelings? I think part of

1:08:24

it is that she's just not written

1:08:26

that well. We don't get a ton of time with her. We only see

1:08:28

her the way Forrest sees her. It's a bit of a 500 days of

1:08:30

summer. Her

1:08:33

psychological state makes sense to me. And

1:08:36

also it's just, it's not... The movie is

1:08:38

not about her. And it feels like

1:08:40

the sort of the viewer impulse

1:08:42

to sort of... And then maybe the key

1:08:45

thing too is that Forrest represents

1:08:47

the kind of maybe overall greatest American

1:08:49

dream that our hardship will only cause

1:08:51

us to make more money. And Jenny represents

1:08:54

the opposite of that. And we'd like to

1:08:56

push that away. And Jenny's a woman.

1:08:59

Famously. Famously. And

1:09:01

I think that there's probably something

1:09:03

to... That dichotomy through those years of

1:09:07

who is able to rise on sort of

1:09:09

just the wind on

1:09:11

a breeze. I mean, Forrest and who's not. There

1:09:14

wasn't a kind of time to idealists, I

1:09:16

will say. No. No. Nor

1:09:18

has it ever been since. No. No.

1:09:21

But yeah, Forrest is a feather and maybe Jenny

1:09:23

is something that the breeze can't

1:09:25

carry that away. He gets a

1:09:27

college scholarship because he can run real

1:09:29

fast and Jenny gets kicked out of

1:09:31

college for wearing a sweater suggestively in

1:09:34

a Playboy pictorial. Perfect example.

1:09:36

Yeah, perfect example. Hey, Chelsea.

1:09:38

So I have a question for

1:09:40

you. I

1:09:43

think you know the answer. I

1:09:45

actually don't. I'm excited. We

1:09:48

know that Forrest's father

1:09:51

is on vacation. Who,

1:09:55

in your view, is

1:09:57

the daddy of Forrest Gump. The

1:10:00

daddy of Forrest Gump is Lieutenant

1:10:02

Dan. I

1:10:06

think it's got to be Lieutenant Dan. I mean,

1:10:08

both in the way that I feel like he

1:10:10

plays kind of a father role too, Forrest Gump,

1:10:13

and he's also really hot

1:10:15

in this movie, and the

1:10:17

main person that I would call daddy. If

1:10:19

I had to call someone. Yeah,

1:10:22

we kind of rarely ever just

1:10:24

double down on someone's answer,

1:10:27

but I can't help it. I

1:10:30

know. In this case, Gary

1:10:33

Sinise famously of the

1:10:35

Steppenwolf Theater. Simmering

1:10:39

heartthrob asshole. I love

1:10:41

him. And to our point, he

1:10:43

shows up as much like Forrest's dad as

1:10:45

anyone else is going to, to humorous

1:10:48

effect, where he hangs

1:10:50

out with Forrest and Ladies of

1:10:52

the Night at his bachelor apartment.

1:10:56

He helps out on the boat. He comes

1:10:58

to his wedding. It's really nice though, Forrest

1:11:00

has that. That's up. It's a Lieutenant

1:11:02

dad. Lieutenant dad. Sarah Marshall. Yes.

1:11:06

Who is your daddy? My daddy is Forrest

1:11:08

Gump because he does what any daddy

1:11:11

needs to, which is to love you even when

1:11:13

he doesn't understand what the hell is going on

1:11:15

with you. That's

1:11:18

really great. Haley

1:11:21

Joel's been so lucky. Yeah.

1:11:26

Well, I think we did it. Did

1:11:29

we do it? She's so cute. She'll see

1:11:31

where they smell. Thank you, San Francisco. It's been lovely to

1:11:33

see you. Run, audience, run. All right,

1:11:35

everybody. That is it

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for this week's episode of The You

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Are Good of Feeling podcast about movies. Thank

1:11:58

you to Chelsea Robert Smith. for

1:12:00

talking with us about Forrest Gump at San

1:12:02

Francisco Sketchfest. Thank you to San Francisco Sketchfest

1:12:04

for having us. Thank you to

1:12:06

the Gateway Theater in San

1:12:08

Francisco for hosting us and

1:12:10

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1:12:12

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