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Hello you, and welcome to You Are

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Good, a feelings podcast about movies.

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Today we're talking about Get Over It

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with the illustrious Alison Raskin.

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I'm one of your hosts, Alex Steed. I will soon

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be joined by my marvelous co-host,

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Sarah Marshall.

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Get Over It is a 2001 American

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teen comedy film loosely based on William

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Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream. It's

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about a high school senior who desperately

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tries to win back his ex-girlfriend by joining the

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school play she and her new

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boyfriend are performing in. And this person,

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he's doing it against the advice of his

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friends. That's where it all starts.

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And then there's songs. Then there's dance.

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There's vitamin C. There's Cisco. It is

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a great time. And we talked

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about this fine film with Alison Raskin,

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who seriously has done

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it all. She's done it all. She's

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a New York Times bestselling author, has written YA novels

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and a nonfiction book. She's written

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shows and developed shows with networks that

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you know about. She has this channel called

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Just Between Us on YouTube that has nearly 200

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million views. That

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channel features a lot of content with her and

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Gabe Dunn, who's been on this show before.

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She has a mental health-focused Instagram account

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called Emotional Support Lady. She's

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a podcast creator, just does it all. And

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I was

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so happy to have her here to talk

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about this very strange

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teen movie. And I say that with love for both Alison

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and said very strange teen

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i saw you were my first boyfriend this

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week it's on max you can see it there

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we used to call it hbo when i was uh younger

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ad, it's just a movie I really,

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really enjoyed by people who get the show. And I

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think that if you like our show, you will like

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this movie. Cecilia didn't

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have a great time in high school, I can relate.

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So she creates all these sort

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that time. So she can work through it and

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goes back to people she knew then and

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revisits in a real way. It's

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doing a lot of work on behalf of those of

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us who didn't necessarily have the best

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time in high school. And I cannot recommend it

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enough. Again, it's called You Were My

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First Boyfriend.

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hear it in the morning, let's say, you

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might have enough time to spare to get on down

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interest to you. And if you're not able to make it to that,

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over, you can find more information on their website.

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Speaking of several of those areas

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of intersection, our great friends at

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Caitlin are staging It's

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I'm sure because it's Jamie Loftus and

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Caitlin Durante. It will be fantastic.

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I don't know if they're both playing Jimmy Stewart,

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but that would be great. And finally,

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this doesn't do you any good because

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the event is sold out. But I just

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wanted you to know that Sarah

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and our great friends, Chelsea and Miranda

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at American hysteria and you know, Miranda

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also because she produces in edits

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this very show. They are having

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an event in Portland, Oregon called

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a massive seance. It's happening at the Aladdin.

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Again, it's sold out. It's happening

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in December. It's probably going to be

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great. If you're one of the people who are going to it, congratulations,

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because this thing sold out seemingly

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in seconds. There were tickets available for

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a second and then there were no tickets available. I

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hope that if you were going to the show that

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you have a great time. And I don't know if ones will happen

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in the future, but I'm just happy

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knowing that all of our friends are

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going to be on stage together.

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Being delightful

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weirdos like we appreciate.

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All right, that's enough from me. Let's

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rewind a couple of decades. Let's revisit

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the Bard and Martin Schulman,

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a match made in heaven. Let's go back to 2001 and

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let's learn how to.

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Hello Sarah Marshall. Hello

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Alex Speed. What fools these mortals

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be? I'm glad that that's where we are

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starting. This is fantastic. Y'all,

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there are some of you who are very excited.

7:05

There are some of you who don't know what we're about to get into,

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but we are touching on that stretch

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of time that happened between

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the mid 90s and the early 2000s. Called

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the late 90s. When

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Shakespeare was all the rage for

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kids in their movies. What

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are we covering,

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Sarah? We are talking

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about Get Over It, which has been

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like moving around on the calendar for several

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months now. And until very recently, every

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time I saw it, my eyeballs saw

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Get Over It and my brain heard Bring It

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On. And then I realized that it was a whole other

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movie that isn't Bring It On. Had

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you heard of this before diving

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into it today? Yeah, I

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knew of it when it was coming out. But like

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this movie, did this come out in 99 or like 2000? I

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think it was 02 or 03. It's

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really? I think it's 2001.

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2001, yeah. Oh, wow.

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None of those years. It's

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called a showcase showdown, everybody. Did

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it get swallowed by 2001? I

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feel like that's part of its

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legacy situation. Anyway. It's

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hard to say. But yeah, I was

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aware of this movie coming out, but I

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feel like I loved teen movies

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as like a late tween, and then I became an

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actual young teen,

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and I was threatened and disturbed

8:26

by teen movies, and I wanted to listen to Lorena

8:28

McKennett under a blanket.

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Sarah, personality

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nuggets. That's

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perfect. Well, let's figure

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out why we're talking about this movie. Let's introduce

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today's

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guest, shall we?

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Sarah Marshall, who are we joined by today?

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Oh my God, we're joined today by Allison

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Raskin. Allison,

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hello. Hello.

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This is a dream. Oh my gosh. You're

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a dream. You're cute jeans.

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When we were like, what's the movie? What's

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the movie we're going to do? This was at the top of

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the list the whole time, Allison. Yeah,

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I was really pushing this. I would

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say that this is a movie I've seen the

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most by tenfold. It

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has shaped my entire sense of humor,

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a large part of my personality,

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and my husband doesn't

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think much of it.

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Were you a theater kid? Yes.

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Well, I became a theater kid towards the end

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of high school when I switched over to a

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boarding school for junior and senior

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year, then I really hit the theater

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track. I also had a summer

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at

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camp when I was about 12, where

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I, it was the highlight of my acting

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career, where I was Miss

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Hannigan and Annie. Amazing.

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And I was the mom in Little Abner,

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and I was just on the

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top of the moon, whatever. Whatever

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you would say to

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show that since then, it's been a steady decline.

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I feel like Miss Hannigan was like,

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if you ask any group of tweens.

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that are into theater. You would

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expect a tween girl to want to play Annie, but

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like we all knew that like Miss Hannigan

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was the real plum roll in that musical.

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Because I also could talk my song. You get to pretend

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to be drunk. Yes, I feel like I

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played a lot of characters that are drunk. Ha

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ha ha ha

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ha ha ha ha. It's like swig

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some iced tea out of a flask. Yeah.

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Ha ha ha ha. Alison, we'll get more into like

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your relationship with this movie and stuff later

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on in the conversation, but I am curious,

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like what is your two or three

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line pitch for

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what this movie, like if you're talking

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to someone at a party and you find out that

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someone hasn't heard of this film,

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how do you sell them on it?

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Well, I assume that no one's heard of it. I

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say it's an incredible teen

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comedy with an outrageously good

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cast about a high school putting

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on a musical production of A

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Midsummer Night's

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Dream. Beautiful. And like it should

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be better known. And yeah, this

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movie stars everyone. Flash forward,

11:01

song song, Spider-Man. That

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thing you do. Ben Foster.

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I've never seen Ben Foster in like a light role.

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This was new for me.

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Well, that was my introduction to Ben Foster.

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So you can

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imagine my surprise when he then took

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such a darkly dramatic turn.

11:19

We get vitamin C. Everything,

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yeah, this is. Cisco. I love

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it. This is great. Yeah, and I like, I do like,

11:26

and we'll cover it, I love that of

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all the movies that we've ever touched on that like has a

11:30

play in it, no movie has been so

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bold to make 20 minutes of the runtime

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the play. So that's, this is great.

11:37

I feel like Waiting

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for Guffman, a lot of it is play. Oh,

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you're right. You're

11:43

right. The climax of Waiting for Guffman

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is a long play. But I

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like that they did this here in this 2001 film

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for teens.

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Sarah Marshall. Yes. Before

11:55

we go further, can you tell us what

11:58

the hell this is all about? Yes.

11:59

The movie like the Barbie

12:00

movie, I think is a great

12:03

example of how if you

12:05

start off really strong, you can kind

12:07

of do whatever you want. And so in our first

12:09

five minutes, Ben Foster,

12:12

our protagonist,

12:13

Burke,

12:15

don't name your protagonist that you guys.

12:18

Burke Landers, which has to be an

12:20

homage to... Landickers? It has to be an

12:22

homage to Boogie Nights from Brock

12:24

Landers. Oh, who's Brock Landers in

12:26

that? Who's the John C.

12:28

Reilly character? What if it's an homage

12:31

to both that character and Burke and Hare?

12:33

I'll take it. That's what I would like. I'll

12:35

take it. It's

12:36

canon. Do you know, I think it's important to tell everyone

12:39

that the original name for the movie

12:41

was supposed to be Getting Over Allison. Oh,

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of course. Of course. We have

12:45

several renditions of the

12:47

song Allison in this movie, which is great.

12:50

Yes, it was meant for me.

12:53

It has stopped short of being called Getting

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Over Allison

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Raskin, which potentially

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having a movie title about

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someone breaking up with you could be a little

13:04

annoying. Wait,

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do you have any experience

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in that arena, Sarah Marshall? Not that I can remember.

13:14

Any hoozles. So, okay. So

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Ben Foster, Burke Landers,

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is we open with him talking about this girl

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who is, he's known since he was a kid

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and she turned up at high school

13:26

and it was true love and her name's Allison.

13:29

And you're kind of like, oh, this whole movie is going to be about Allison.

13:32

And it is in a way, but it's about her dumping

13:34

him after they had been together for 16 months. And

13:37

then our strong start, which is a

13:39

very

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elaborate and ambitious one shot

13:44

set to Vitamin C, who when

13:46

she showed up, I thought, my God, is that Jerry

13:49

Halliwell? That's Vitamin

13:51

C singing Love Will Keep Us Together

13:53

as like a bride and groom and like

13:55

a marching band. It's fantastic.

13:58

It is fantastic.

13:59

I think that's why I now don't

14:02

feel fully satisfied unless the film

14:04

has a musical number. Yeah. And

14:06

you don't and you just have one at the beginning and one at the very

14:09

end. And that's perfect. That's the right

14:11

journey. Yeah. And don't even worry

14:13

about it. That's such a spectacular. The

14:15

music is such a spectacular open.

14:17

It's so good. But even just like,

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it's unique in that like that first 90 seconds

14:22

of backstory was so tight and

14:24

like well written and great

14:26

because like you get a sense of this isn't

14:29

just like a high school girlfriend. Like this is like

14:31

they have a lifelong relationship. And

14:33

I was really yeah, I was really taken just by

14:35

like how well set up the first

14:37

couple minutes of the movie is.

14:39

Yeah. And so then we have that's our opening.

14:41

That's our first five. And then it's

14:44

Ben Foster dealing with the immediate fallout

14:47

of this breakup. And so his bestie

14:49

Colin Hanks is like, don't be so glum,

14:51

man. I'm a party guy. I'm Colin Hanks.

14:53

Let's go to the bronze.

14:54

I guess there was a

14:56

minute when they were trying to make Colin

14:59

Hanks. A smarmy guy. And

15:01

it I feel like it just didn't land. I

15:04

think he nailed it in this role. I

15:07

think

15:08

everyone was exceptional. I think like

15:10

my formative Colin Hanks experience

15:12

was Orange County, which is like, yeah, sweet

15:15

boy. Him in the Ben Foster role. Yeah.

15:17

But I yeah, I love that he's like playing a shithead in this.

15:20

And I also like because like the summary

15:23

for this on YouTube, which is where I watch most

15:25

of the movies we do on the show, I guess because it's simplest

15:28

for me is when a popular high

15:30

school basketball star who's down on

15:32

his leg gets dumped by his girlfriend,

15:35

he desperately does anything

15:37

to get her back. I guess I could just be reading

15:39

these. But I read that and I was like, is he popular? And

15:42

I was like, he's not unpopular.

15:45

And I really I feel like this movie is

15:47

right. And like Ben Foster is like

15:49

exactly the type of guy who like

15:51

typically plays the unpopular guy

15:53

in movies, but it's actually popular in real

15:56

high school because movie ugly is real

15:59

life. hot.

16:01

Yeah, he's

16:01

cute. He's like a little cutie,

16:03

but he's like, uh, I also

16:05

like the outfits that they're wearing, like nobody's

16:08

doing their best, you know, like it's like

16:11

Mila Kunis is in it looking like amazing,

16:14

but like has like her natural curls, which

16:16

I feel like is like so unheard of for that

16:18

time period. The Allison

16:20

character is like has short hair. Like

16:23

I just feel like it was kind of breaking

16:25

some like norms that you would normally see

16:27

of like what counts as

16:28

cool and what doesn't at that time. For

16:31

sure. And

16:31

like this is a wonderfully like consequence

16:34

free movie for people too. Like things

16:37

happen that in real life you would never come back from.

16:39

There's like a throwaway joke where

16:41

Ben Foster like walks out onto the basketball

16:44

court with no pants and

16:46

that doesn't come back to haunt him at all. Like

16:48

if we made a teen movie about it today, that would like

16:50

drive

16:50

him to an early grave. Yeah,

16:53

I do. You're right. I hadn't even picked up

16:55

on that, but there is a refreshing lack of stakes

16:58

in the movie that I really enjoy. I

17:00

really appreciate even if he doesn't end up where

17:02

he's hoping to land, which he doesn't. He ends up in

17:04

a different way. It's you're not like

17:06

this is going to be the end of the world. You can just

17:08

tell he's like weirdly obsessed with the situation.

17:11

Right.

17:12

It's a very comfy, cozy environment. And

17:14

so he, he wants to get her back. Obviously

17:16

he goes out partying with Colin Hanks

17:19

where who should he

17:20

run into and who should his ex girlfriend

17:23

run into? But a walk to remember himself.

17:29

Doing one of the best

17:31

fake accents.

17:32

His

17:35

accent

17:35

in this is at least as good as Harry Styles's

17:37

American accent. Don't worry,

17:38

darling.

17:41

But what's great is that it's meant

17:43

to be bad. Like it gets called out

17:45

in the movie. What

17:48

is your accent from? You know, like I

17:51

just wanted to be a fly on the wall of Shane West

17:53

developing that. He's

17:56

like driving. He's in traffic. He's

17:59

like, hello.

17:59

No, that's not it.

18:06

And he's playing a, let me, Allison,

18:09

tell me if I have this right. His name is Stryka.

18:12

Yeah. And he was in a boy

18:14

band and they had a hit called Love Skud.

18:17

And now he's like taking a break from being in a boy

18:19

band to go to a high school in Vancouver. Yeah,

18:22

I think

18:22

that he like his family must have moved or

18:24

something. But yeah, like he was part of this like

18:26

very popular boy band and is used

18:29

to being like, you know,

18:30

beloved

18:31

and successful. Yeah. I

18:34

also love that they show you the music video.

18:36

Yes. Yes, I love

18:38

that. You better show me that music video.

18:40

This film gives you what you want.

18:42

Totally. It is perfect.

18:44

We're not teasing anything. We're delivering.

18:46

It's beautiful. And

18:48

yeah, so Stryka like immediately

18:50

starts a romance with Allison and we

18:53

get to hear the first rendition of

18:55

several of Ben Foster climbing up

18:57

on Allison's roof and singing Allison

18:59

by Elvis Costello, which is like

19:02

not the most optimistic love song. That's

19:05

terrifying. I mean, I remember

19:08

growing

19:08

up and being like, what is this song about? Because

19:10

it doesn't seem good. Right.

19:12

Yeah. It's tell

19:14

us about having a famous

19:16

song that is your name

19:19

that's like not inherently

19:22

exclusively positive. Like

19:24

what's that? What is that like?

19:27

I think you just embrace it anyway.

19:30

And when I sing that song, like I'm

19:32

not doing Elvis Costello. Of course

19:34

not. I'm doing Shane Westing

19:35

it over. Like

19:37

I'm impersonating when he's doing

19:40

his like audition and he sings the song for

19:42

the musical. I'm like, I'm performing it like Shane.

19:44

Yeah. Hello.

19:46

I'm going to be singing Elvis Costello's

19:48

Allison and the style of Shane

19:49

West, please.

19:54

And so basically, and then also at the club,

19:56

they run into Colin Hanks, his

19:58

little sister, Kirsten Dunn. Hell

20:00

yeah. He might be half siblings. He's

20:04

like, nah, you're my baby sister

20:06

who's a mere one year younger than me and clearly

20:09

has a thing for my friend. And

20:11

then there's just so much fun throwaway stuff like

20:13

they set Burke up on a

20:15

date with this extremely accident-prone

20:18

girl from New Zealand who's at their school. That

20:20

kills a good five minutes and I love that.

20:23

But basically the plot is that Martin

20:26

Short is the drama teacher.

20:28

It's one of the perfect movie

20:31

for teens who love Martin Short. Like

20:33

me. That is literally

20:36

my favorite character that exists is

20:38

Martin Short and Get Over It. And

20:40

then I recently started watching Only

20:42

Murders in the Building again and I

20:44

was like, it's the same

20:46

character. They brought

20:48

back

20:48

the Get Over it and I was like, of course this show

20:50

is doing well because I've been screaming

20:52

for years and this is the funniest character

20:55

I've ever seen. This is how I feel about

20:57

Brian Cox in Succession because for

20:59

decades I've been like that Brian Cox, he's

21:01

great in Manhunter, great movie, great,

21:03

I mean not that great of a movie, great movie

21:06

by my standards, great performance, great

21:08

guy. I just hope that he has a big moment

21:10

to shine like the big shiny star he

21:13

is maybe by being mean to everyone.

21:16

Yeah, like literally

21:17

the way he delivers lines in

21:19

Only Murders like the cadence of his character,

21:22

like it's all, I mean it

21:24

was so seminal for me the way that he

21:26

delivered his lines in that movie like as a comedian

21:29

like I was like, oh, this is how you make a joke.

21:32

What is like an example of that? Okay,

21:34

so a thing I say constantly,

21:36

so he has this assisted Jessica and

21:39

he always says Jessica and I

21:41

called my college bike Jessica after

21:43

this and so he says

21:45

to her, he goes at one point, keep icing

21:48

your front bum. He

21:48

says, well,

21:51

I need you and then he turns to the other

21:53

people and goes, not really.

21:54

Your

21:57

Martin shirt delivery is perfect.

21:59

Flipping the end of the sentence, that's so

22:02

good. Oh my God. But

22:04

not really. It's like such a, I was like,

22:06

that's how humor works. Totally.

22:10

Keep icing your front bum is my

22:12

favorite line from this whole movie. Yeah, keep

22:14

icing your front bum. That's good advice. Because she got hit

22:16

in the crotch. Also

22:20

put your hand down, little Steve, screaming

22:23

that. A

22:25

huge quote in my home. Oh my God.

22:27

I love little Steve. I'm

22:29

sad. I miss. I mean, I would have been 18 when

22:32

this came out. So I don't know that I was, I think

22:34

that I thought that I was too cool at that point, but

22:36

I'm sad. I missed

22:37

it in a way. Cause I loved Martin Short and like

22:40

reruns of SC TV when I was a kid,

22:42

like loved him and didn't fully outside

22:44

of seeing three amigos occasionally, like didn't

22:47

fully realize like he was a

22:49

phenomenon until later in my life.

22:52

And then I missed so much

22:54

Martin Short in my life. This would have been perfect.

22:56

I'm one of the people who will defend

22:59

Clifford. Oh, it's, it's, you were

23:01

right to do so. Have you seen

23:02

that one? Alison? No, I actually

23:04

haven't done deep dive into his other seminal

23:07

characters, which I, I think that I should.

23:09

That's like how

23:10

Liz's boyfriend, Chris on 30

23:12

rock is a huge James Vanderbeek

23:14

fan and has seen all of his work except

23:16

Dawson's Creek. Me

23:19

and March. Yeah, totally. But,

23:23

um, Oh yeah. Clifford

23:26

is a movie where Charles

23:28

Grodin is like taking care

23:30

of his nephew or something, and his

23:32

nephew is just played by like 45

23:35

year old Martin Short. He's just playing

23:37

a grotesque boy,

23:40

like the one in men

23:42

or something. A movie, not

23:44

enough people saw for that to be a good

23:46

reference, but just watch it, just watch Clifford.

23:49

She's playing like an eight year old.

23:51

Yeah. And through like the way it's shot,

23:53

he looks very little and it's perfect.

23:56

It really is. Okay, great. Roger

23:58

Ebert hated it so much. Oh my

24:00

gosh. Oh my God. So

24:05

yeah, so Martin Short is like, he doesn't

24:07

really say this, but he's like, attention proles.

24:10

I'm having a Midsummer Night's Dream musical

24:12

that I've written myself. And

24:15

so everyone is trying out for it. And

24:17

nothing really comes of this dramatically,

24:19

but Ben Foster is also juggling

24:21

drama and basketball. So like this movie

24:23

did anticipate high school musical in

24:26

a big way. Yes, definitely. So

24:28

he just

24:30

is like laser focused on getting back together

24:32

with Allison. And meanwhile, Kirsten

24:35

Dunst like clearly likes him

24:37

and is helping him with his audition

24:39

and explaining the play to him and they keep

24:41

bonding and la, la,

24:44

la. And then, you know, ultimately

24:46

this culminates in my favorite

24:49

of all theater movie cliches,

24:52

which is the big play happens. And

24:55

then somebody gets up and decides

24:57

that they're not going to do what they're supposed to

24:59

do. They're going to do their own thing.

25:02

And so Kirsten Dunst performs this

25:04

song that she's been writing herself that

25:06

Martin Short won't listen to her about putting her

25:08

own song in it because this is his big break or

25:10

whatever and he can't stop

25:13

her. And she did it with the encouragement

25:15

of Ben Foster. And then he through

25:17

montage realizes that

25:20

he's totally bugging and he

25:22

loves Josh. I mean, Kirsten Dunst

25:25

and then they get together on

25:27

stage and a watch her remember gets

25:29

electrocuted. And

25:32

it's just super sweet. It

25:34

really like fits, I think the tone of

25:37

a Midsummer Night's Dream,

25:38

which is just like

25:39

a comedy in the sense that like everything

25:42

is cartoonish and light and consequence

25:44

free and all the right people get together at the end.

25:47

Yeah, because a lot of people do like as Colin Hanks

25:49

gets together with the accident prone, that

25:51

New Zealand girl, Cisco

25:54

gets together with Mila Kunis finally.

25:56

And then he gets to dance

25:57

around with vitamin C who's in it as

25:59

her. self in the credits. So

26:02

you

26:03

you skipped a really important scene with

26:05

Carmen Electra.

26:05

Oh, my God. Oh, that's the

26:07

best part. Please tell us about that part. That's

26:10

a great thing.

26:12

It's also like Allison's

26:14

best read. It's played by Zoe Saldana. Like

26:17

it's literally like who was the casting director?

26:19

And were they a prophet?

26:20

Like every single person went out

26:22

to have a huge career. Yeah,

26:25

it's a wild cast. Tell us about the Carmen

26:28

Electra scene, Alison.

26:29

OK, so Cisco and Colin

26:31

Hanks are trying to get Burke over

26:34

Allison. So they take him to like the sex club

26:36

and then they like make him go on stage and Carmen

26:39

Electra comes out and like is in a dominatrix

26:41

outfit. And it's like, I'm the

26:43

Lord's form. I'm going to

26:45

torture you. And then right as she's about

26:48

to. And he's like pulled up onto a harness

26:50

to like hang over the stage. The

26:52

cops raid the club and Burke

26:55

just sort of like hangs there and they like arrest

26:57

him. And then another wonderful

26:59

element of this film is that his parents run

27:02

like a talk sex show, like

27:04

a daytime

27:05

sex talk show. So they're like they're like unproblematic

27:08

Dr. Drew, but as a partnership,

27:10

they're like so

27:11

chill and they're like, oh, Burke, honey,

27:13

we didn't know you were exploring your sexuality.

27:16

And then it's like, would you like some yogurt?

27:18

And he's like, yeah, I'll get some yogurt. It's

27:20

just the best. I love that. I

27:22

do love that that is that is presented

27:25

with there's no payoff. There's not.

27:27

I'm not saying this negatively, but that doesn't go anywhere.

27:30

His parents are just accepting and sex positive.

27:32

I'm sick of things going somewhere

27:35

in movies. Yeah, they're just like, it's just

27:37

Susie Kurtz and Ed Begley Jr. And they're

27:39

very funny about making him

27:41

uncomfortable about sex. And he and like in

27:43

a dynamic like family ties, they're very

27:45

open. And he is like a little like, I need

27:48

you

27:48

guys to be like, yeah, parents.

27:50

And I want to see more comedy about parents

27:52

who are like overly open about not

27:55

overly, but just like that's not an

27:57

archetype. We see that much of parents who are

27:59

like not. afraid to talk about sex and like kind

28:01

of, you know, that it's funny but you can also model

28:04

that in a positive way. And I think one

28:06

of the only parts of the most recent season of I'm

28:08

just like that that I actually liked was Charlotte

28:10

staggering around in a blizzard going, my

28:12

daughter needs condoms. Because

28:15

also

28:17

it's

28:17

not like they're not like bad parents. It's not

28:19

like they're absent parents and they don't, they're

28:22

just like open and Colin Hanks

28:24

at one point throws a party at Burke's

28:25

house and they come

28:27

home early and they like catch the party. And

28:30

so then you get the fun joke of like,

28:31

well, we had no idea you're going to

28:33

do this. We

28:34

would have sprung for some streamers. Like,

28:37

no. So supportive. Yeah,

28:41

I like that they're like the two villains and villain

28:44

is a very strong word. They're not even,

28:46

they're just like things to get over.

28:48

The two jerks. Yeah. Are like

28:50

a megalomaniacal drama teacher

28:53

and a new boyfriend of

28:55

your ex-girlfriend. And those are just, it's

28:57

just like, I just got to get over this

29:00

on my trek or my quest to

29:02

realize that I am in love with Kirsten Dunst

29:04

because, you know, who among us

29:07

would not be. Oh, all of America is

29:09

in love with Kirsten Dunst. I certainly

29:11

hope. Yeah. I like how the solution

29:13

to both those villains is to

29:15

just kind of learn to ignore them.

29:18

Like it's like just ignore Shane West and

29:20

just like sing your own song and don't

29:22

bother. Like,

29:25

because it's like not, it's not like a dragon you have to

29:27

slay. It's a dragon you have to

29:29

ignore. Alison,

29:32

why did this resonate with you when you first

29:34

experienced it? Tell us

29:36

about your journey with this movie.

29:38

So I have a horrible memory. So I don't like

29:40

remember a time where I didn't know every line

29:42

in this film, but I think I

29:44

just, I'm a love a rom com. So already

29:46

we're in my favorite genre. And

29:49

then I think I just found it

29:51

to hit like all the things

29:53

that I just love. Like I love musical

29:55

numbers. I love like

29:57

dance sequences. I love.

29:59

Like how just like

30:01

funny it was like I think that like the laugh

30:04

out loud per minute of this movie At least

30:06

for me is much higher

30:08

than both movies like there's

30:10

like solid jokes like throughout

30:13

the whole thing while accomplishing

30:16

all of the story that you want where everything

30:18

pays off and like I don't know they managed

30:21

to like have a lot going on even though

30:23

like it seems pretty simple because you're

30:25

like You're tracking him like you're

30:27

tracking like friends You're kind

30:29

of invested in Martin Shore and like this production

30:32

being successful for him, you know

30:35

Another like really important line which

30:38

like isn't appropriate anymore But

30:40

that at the time I found funny it was like One

30:43

of the guys who is like horrible in

30:45

the cast like has to deliver like this one line

30:47

and he does it so badly And then Martin

30:49

George just comes over and it's like you tell me if you

30:51

had a stroke, right? I love that

30:53

dynamic I

30:57

love the dynamic of like teacher

31:00

who's so up in their shit that they're just like radically

31:02

inappropriate to the student Oh because they're like

31:05

competing with themselves on some level Yeah,

31:08

and like his bits where he's like and

31:11

the incredible Robert De Niro

31:13

told me

31:13

Well, not me. I read it in an article

31:17

And

31:19

the words of Kevin Spacey

31:21

the show must go on it's like

31:23

yeah he

31:24

coined that

31:26

Like I think it was like a teen movie

31:28

But it was also meant for us to grow up and then understand

31:31

the jokes even better

31:32

Yeah

31:34

Well, I love teen movies that like bother

31:36

having jokes cuz there is like

31:39

so much teen media That's like other teens.

31:41

We don't have to try but like those

31:43

are the ones that stick around There's also a song

31:45

called fun to be a fairy which I oh, yeah It's

31:49

fun to be a fairy

32:00

It's a little bit like Ocean's Eleven

32:02

because it's fun to watch them prepare for the

32:04

big thing and then see what it actually

32:07

looks like. Absolutely. Alison,

32:10

what do you think the movie speaks

32:12

to in your personality?

32:15

Why is this a thing that you keep returning to?

32:17

Well, I love love. I love

32:19

happy endings. I'm

32:22

someone who avoids sad content.

32:25

I just feel like the world is sad. I'm

32:27

sad. I don't need like

32:29

when I'm consuming, I don't I want

32:31

to feel good. And I know it's like very

32:34

controversial and a

32:35

lot of people won't agree with me. But

32:38

maybe their lives are easier. Maybe.

32:41

I don't know. The people that like watch medical

32:43

dramas, I'm like, are you OK?

32:45

Watching

32:47

the most depressing TV shows. And I'm

32:49

like, why are you doing this to yourself?

32:51

There is something about being in your 50s

32:53

that seems to make you seek out entertainment

32:55

where there's always something beeping in the background

32:58

like a heart monitor beeping. Yeah.

33:00

For some reason, it's like once you're 50, you're

33:03

ready for like the NBC 10 o'clock

33:05

Thursday night drama. Like that's what you're into.

33:07

Oh, that's much too late, Alex. That's

33:10

where they hide their dad shows. Something

33:13

interesting is that my mom, who has never

33:16

watched reality TV in her entire

33:18

life, except for 1900 house on

33:21

PBS 25 years ago, is

33:25

watching the Golden Bachelor.

33:27

Oh, it's a phenomenon.

33:29

Apparently. Is it? I

33:31

haven't been watching. And I used to be a part of

33:33

Bachelor Nation. Oh, but then you got

33:35

repatriated. Well, I kind

33:38

of lost interest. Yeah. I mean, I've never watched

33:40

The Bachelor purely because those episodes

33:42

just seem way too long to me. Like, I just

33:44

can't. I couldn't focus. But

33:48

it does make me think of the Liz Lemonism,

33:50

which is like if you're 70 years old, Donna,

33:52

like why not just die and then made a great

33:55

guy in heaven?

33:56

My

33:59

grandma.

33:59

My grandmother who just passed got

34:02

married at 65. Oh

34:04

wow. And she passed at 90

34:06

and we were all like, everyone was

34:09

like,

34:09

what? Like what is happening?

34:11

And she was happily, her

34:14

life was new. Yeah. She

34:16

was happily married from 65 to 90. That's

34:19

amazing. In a way that like I didn't think

34:21

much about when it was happening but when she passed and

34:23

I looked back on it I was like wow that's like incredibly

34:25

inspiring.

34:27

Longer than most marriages. Maybe

34:30

when I'm 65 I'll have the energy to get married.

34:33

I think that was Sarah, I think that that was

34:35

it. I think she was ready to show up for

34:37

marriage I thought but she was like alright. Yeah. We're

34:40

gonna do it now. I think the thing about dating is, here's the

34:42

thing I understand about dating. I realize this is not

34:44

what this movie is about but it kind of is, is

34:46

that like I fully believe that if I date 100

34:50

people, if I go on 100 dates

34:53

like somewhere in there I will find the right person. Like

34:55

I don't think there's one soulmate. I think there's like tens

34:57

of thousands of adequate soulmates for

34:59

us. Oh yeah. Yeah, ideally.

35:02

But I simply cannot leave the house that many times.

35:04

I need to order in. Well

35:07

just spread it out over 20 years.

35:10

Well no, as someone who like writes

35:12

about relationships for a living I

35:15

am a huge proponent of that. I'm

35:17

like you're compatible with thousands of people. You just

35:19

have to meet like one or two of them. Right.

35:22

Make it work. Yeah. Yeah,

35:25

I think that like this movie just

35:27

delivers like I said like what you

35:29

want it to be and it keeps

35:31

it fun, it keeps it fresh

35:34

and there's so many jokes that on rewatch

35:37

it's like funnier rather than like boring.

35:39

Yeah. I think the sheer lack

35:42

of seriousness of it is really delightful

35:45

to me because I and I felt the same way

35:47

when I watched John Tucker Must Die recently

35:50

which like when it came out there were like ads

35:52

for it on TV

35:52

and I was like that movie looks amazing

35:54

and then it was like out of theaters really

35:56

fast and like I think it got pretty bad reviews

35:59

and

35:59

I watched it, I was like, this

36:01

movie is amazing. People were wrong.

36:04

And that this movie feels kind of similar

36:06

in tone, where it feels like

36:09

maybe critics

36:11

or whoever drives these things, I think more

36:14

adults than actual teams for sure,

36:16

didn't understand that teens, or

36:19

at least me as a teen, really wanted and

36:21

needed something that just kind of makes this cute,

36:24

quirky fantasia out of our lives

36:26

and isn't trying to be about issues.

36:28

Yeah, I think what it does so well,

36:31

and this is only echoing what you just said, is that

36:34

there's a lack of seriousness, but it's also

36:36

not pandering or talking down. And

36:39

it's not irreverent for its sake. Like an

36:41

American pie is, I'm not

36:44

saying it's irreverent, but it leans into, its

36:46

crassness is what sells it. And there is

36:48

some whatever love between the characters.

36:51

Yeah, it's the movie where

36:53

it was such a meme that Jason

36:55

Biggs really fucks that pie. The

36:58

centerpiece

36:58

of the movie is he fucks a pie. The center

37:01

of the pie is that. But

37:04

this is like the balance of what this does

37:06

is really interesting, is like it's not serious,

37:09

there are not stakes, but it also

37:11

assumes that people

37:13

are watching it have a solid and

37:15

healthy sense of humor, and even like

37:18

an advanced sense of humor. And

37:20

yeah, it worked, the balance is great.

37:22

And I think also part of what

37:24

is so great is how

37:27

our leads play their roles.

37:30

Like Ben Foster is not in

37:32

a teen comedy. Ben Foster is in a drama

37:35

about the worst period of his life. You

37:37

know what I mean? Like,

37:41

and like as someone who's like done a lot of like improv

37:43

and stuff, like it was always like, you

37:45

don't wanna be delivering jokes. You just wanna

37:47

be a person where these crazy things are happening

37:50

to you and you're responding how

37:52

a human would respond. And then the situation

37:54

is funny. And I think that like that's

37:56

really a lot of what this movie is, is

37:59

like he's like.

37:59

a straight character

38:00

who's like an incredible actor, like

38:03

really playing this role of a kid

38:05

who gets dumped. And then Kirsten Dunst is

38:07

an amazing actress, like full emotional

38:10

range like their character arcs

38:12

are are real. And it's not

38:14

like a joke. And like, you are emotionally

38:16

attached to them and they're playing it very grounded.

38:19

And then everything that's happening around them is

38:21

like cuckoo bananas. Yeah,

38:24

can we that those are all amazing points

38:26

about how it's played. I do have some questions about

38:28

people's like motivations and interests or whatever.

38:31

Can we talk about the trope in which a brother

38:34

does not want anyone

38:36

to be interested in his sister because

38:39

that comes up throughout the movie where Colin

38:42

Hanks is like, like beats

38:44

up

38:45

Ben Foster for making an advance

38:47

on the sister or whatever. And what

38:49

is what is that? Like not in

38:51

this movie, not just in this movie, like this is a trope that

38:53

happens in many movies, like what is going

38:56

on with a brother who is scarily

38:59

looking after his sister? Don't ask women

39:01

that question. The call is coming from

39:03

inside the house. It doesn't feel protective.

39:06

Like it doesn't feel like he's looking out for her autonomy.

39:08

I think it's a product of

39:11

America's fear and condemnation

39:13

of sex.

39:14

That

39:16

like sex is seen as dirty

39:18

and therefore that it will contaminate

39:20

my younger sister. Yeah, that's

39:22

my hot take. I'm reminded of the

39:25

part in the Wolf of Wall Street

39:27

where they're talking about how Donnie married

39:29

his cousin and he's explaining it all like it's very

39:31

logical and he's like, well, you know, my

39:34

cousin, she grew up and she grew up hot,

39:36

you know, and all these guys wanted

39:38

to fuck her and I couldn't let that happen,

39:41

you know, so

39:44

so I fucked her.

39:46

Your

39:50

impression of Jonah Hill in

39:52

the Wolf of Wall Street is my new favorite thing.

39:54

You gotta open your eyes real big. Talk through

39:57

your veneers.

39:59

You know, is

40:01

that our effect? I knew

40:04

he eventually comes around, thankfully. He

40:06

eventually realizes this love can

40:08

and should be sanctioned. I mean, Colin

40:11

Hanks in this movie. And he gets

40:13

over it, thankfully. But that's always a funny, I've always

40:15

found that to be a funny trope, like don't be

40:18

near my sister, don't get in.

40:20

And I know it's like, you know, it feels

40:23

rooted in a like, I'm

40:24

not looking out, again, I'm not looking out for this person's

40:26

autonomy. I'm looking out for them as my property. That

40:29

way that feels very uncomfortable. But Colin

40:31

Hanks delivers. Right.

40:33

And it's also,

40:34

it's interesting too,

40:35

because like, you know, the whole,

40:37

that country song

40:40

about like, you know, yeah, take my daughter

40:42

on a date and I'll be here at the table. Polish

40:45

in this gun. Like

40:48

that impulse is like not altogether

40:50

bad. It's just like, you know, polish your gun

40:53

for like, if this guy like does

40:55

wrong by your daughter, not for if he

40:57

has sex with him because she wants

40:59

to. Right.

41:01

I know. It's like, do you want them to be alone

41:04

forever? Right. Like, do you hope

41:06

for them to have loneliness?

41:07

Sometimes unfortunately, I think

41:09

the answer might be yes. This is the

41:12

paradox of femininity, right? That

41:14

if you actually do what you're told to do while

41:16

you're growing up, then you just kind of end up a

41:18

nun. And then that's why I do.

41:22

So you actually can't follow instructions

41:24

and end up constructing your life in a way

41:27

anyone's going to be happy with you about. Sarah,

41:29

what were you struck by in your viewing

41:31

of this movie? What stood out?

41:33

I just think that this like

41:34

the same way we talked about Baz Luhrmann's

41:37

William Shakespeare's Romeo Plus Juliet

41:39

really feeling in the spirit of

41:42

old, old Billy boy. How like

41:44

this feels like that too, you know, that

41:46

it is about a bunch of teenagers and

41:48

like, you know, high school kind of is an enchanted

41:50

forest. And I also love how Shakespeare

41:53

is kind of solves problems for people by sending

41:55

them into a forest. He's like, hang

41:57

on the forest. It'll work out. God.

42:03

And that just yeah what I said

42:05

about how there is like a lightheartedness

42:07

to all this where like people have love

42:09

rivals and their social friction and stuff

42:11

but like

42:12

we know everything

42:13

is going to work out for everybody and

42:16

it feels like kind of a safe experience

42:18

and I think I like any movie teen

42:21

oriented or not that feels like that because

42:23

you know like the

42:26

actual experience of human life

42:28

and search for love like feels

42:31

very scary and precarious a lot of the time

42:33

and it feels like like one

42:35

of the things that I think is really sweet about this

42:37

movie is that like Colin

42:40

Hanks is like always there and he's

42:42

like come to the party come to the club

42:44

you can't be sad alone like come to this

42:46

weird come to the strip club that accepts

42:48

our fake ID IDs and has Carmen

42:51

Electra working there and we'll get

42:54

to see her for one second because the rest

42:56

of her scene was cut for ratings reasons

42:58

probably but she's on the poster her

43:01

name's on the poster but she's on the poster

43:03

you can't waste that that sweet Carmen

43:05

Electra clout not in 2001

43:08

but like yeah that the people

43:10

have community in

43:12

this movie and their guest is like this like

43:14

safe cozy feeling that I think is a lot

43:17

because of that

43:18

yeah for sure

43:19

and I love that like I feel like a lot

43:21

of times when it's a movie about a

43:23

guy or someone being obsessed with a certain

43:26

person only to realize that the other

43:28

person is who they are meant to be with it's

43:31

based on that person being

43:33

like some idealized like not

43:35

real entity where

43:37

in this it's like his actual ex-girlfriend like

43:40

it's this girl that he like really knows and

43:42

had like a full-blown relationship with and

43:44

who at one point loved him

43:46

but no longer loves him and and

43:49

the journey of like having to let go

43:51

of that of being like that even

43:53

though not to spoiler but like you

43:55

know at one point she does come back to him and for

43:58

him to like have the strength to be like

43:59

Like I've moved on, you know,

44:02

I've quote unquote gotten over it. It's like, I'd

44:04

be kind of like empowering that like,

44:06

he's not settling for Kirsten Dunst. He

44:08

really is now in a new phase

44:11

of his life where he recognizes that she's

44:13

a better fit for him. And so it's like

44:15

also just like a lovely lesson about how love

44:17

works. So you could really, really love somebody,

44:20

but then with time really, really love somebody

44:22

else. Yeah, which

44:24

I love. And like getting broken up

44:26

with like he, when he's broken up with it's great. He's

44:28

shocked. He doesn't, he didn't

44:30

see it coming. The delivery is really great. He doesn't

44:32

see it. And like getting broken up with like, there, there's

44:34

obviously all these competing things that happen

44:37

when that happens. And one is obviously

44:39

the grief of a breakup.

44:42

But the second one is like, and you don't

44:44

quite know this at the moment, but like part of

44:46

it is the terror of being like, Oh no, I

44:49

have to enter a new phase in my life. Like

44:51

I have to like be a new, I

44:53

have to like figure out who I am now in a different

44:55

context, which is kind of part

44:57

and parcel with grief. But the process

45:00

that he's going through in this movie is he

45:02

gets involved in the play in order to impress

45:05

Alison, who he's trying to be with. And then kind of

45:07

like realizes that there's something

45:09

there, at least like on his journey to

45:11

be getting involved in the play with

45:13

Kirsten Dunst. And like, that is the process

45:15

through which he realizes that he

45:18

sort of is comfortable with this new version

45:20

of himself. But yeah, that like resistance

45:22

for like the first hours, like, Oh fuck, I gotta,

45:25

I have to know who and what I am outside

45:27

of the context of the thing that I was very comfortable

45:29

in.

45:31

And we didn't even mention that his

45:33

audition song for the musical was

45:36

a jingle for

45:38

a gum. It was

45:40

really great.

45:41

They sang the big red theme song.

45:43

It was brilliant.

45:45

Kind of sing what you see. And it's just like,

45:47

none of the scenes are like, Oh, I've never seen

45:49

this before. But I feel like the movie does a

45:51

really great job of making the details

45:54

specific and fun

45:56

and fresh. Yeah. Or like,

45:58

Oh yeah, I know what's going to happen. I know whatever. But like, I

46:00

didn't think that he would start singing Big Red

46:03

as his audition song. And

46:05

it's about enjoying the journey, right? Because there's

46:07

the thing of like,

46:09

you know, I think most pop songs use

46:12

one of a very finite number of chord

46:14

progressions. And then that opens

46:16

some songs up to being accused of plagiarism.

46:19

But like, you don't have to specifically plagiarize

46:21

another song you know about to duplicate, you

46:24

know, basically one of a set number

46:27

of templates that exist in pop music

46:29

because they sound nicest to

46:31

us, you know. And like, I was watching

46:35

this movie called The 7 Ups last night, which

46:37

honestly I could not stay focused on at all. But

46:39

it was a Roy Scheider movie that's supposed

46:41

to have what at the time was one of the most,

46:43

according to the Criterion Collection, one

46:46

of the most exciting car chases of all

46:48

time. And I do have to say, I think my life must

46:51

have been much less exciting in the 70s. But

46:56

they do the car chase thing where like, you know, you plow

46:58

through some crates of fruit and it made me

47:00

think about how like, Siskel

47:02

and Ebert used to have a yearly

47:05

special or something, or just a thing

47:07

in the reviews called they'll do it every

47:10

time about like cliches and movies.

47:13

And one of them is driving through fruit or like

47:15

a pane of glass or something in a car chase.

47:17

And how that's a cliche and we should stop doing

47:19

that. And like with respect, we should not stop

47:22

doing cliches. We should start doing them well.

47:24

The reason cars drive through crates of

47:26

fruit is because it's fun to see a car drive through

47:29

crate of fruit. Agreed.

47:31

Exactly. What is it supposed

47:33

to do? Just drive along unimpeded? Hooray.

47:37

Couldn't agree more. Alison,

47:39

you were describing why some of the performances

47:42

work well and you were describing like Ben Foster

47:44

is not necessarily in a teen comedy. Like

47:46

there's there's stakes for him and he's acting

47:48

that way. And I think that this is kind

47:50

of why

47:51

Martin Short's performance works really

47:53

well. Like Martin Short's like not in a teen

47:56

movie. He's really committing to playing

47:58

a high school teacher that is. is like taking this

48:00

job probably too,

48:03

not too seriously, but centering himself

48:05

too much in the job. And did

48:07

either of you have that teacher? Cause I had like three

48:09

of that teachers. I had like three who were like,

48:12

I'm like, we're just here.

48:14

Like you are going through a thing all

48:17

the time with yourself.

48:18

I had a Kooky theater teacher.

48:21

I don't think I realized necessarily how

48:23

Kooky until maybe later. But

48:25

I think something that's interesting about theater teachers

48:28

in particular is like, this was not

48:30

his dream. His dream was to be a famous

48:32

director and now his life

48:35

is directing high school. And so like, there's

48:37

also just something about like

48:39

seeing him grapple with that,

48:42

you know, like at one point he's sort of like

48:44

referring to like some, when he

48:47

like had more success and then he's

48:49

like, but today's good too,

48:51

you know,

48:52

like

48:54

trying

48:54

to like not give himself completely

48:57

over to the despair of how his life

48:59

ended up.

49:00

And

49:02

it's just so

49:02

relatable. And I feel like he's a level of

49:04

like Kooky that so often doesn't

49:07

hit where like a lot of times you'll have

49:09

this sort of like eccentric character and it's

49:11

like, the jokes aren't funny. It's too much. It

49:13

doesn't make sense. But then to like bring in like such a

49:16

brilliant comedic actor

49:18

who like inhabits this role to the point

49:20

where like he just like reprises it for like

49:23

a current hit TV show, you know, like, I

49:25

don't think that this movie had any business

49:27

being as good as it is in

49:29

a lot of ways. Sure. Yeah.

49:32

And I think like, yeah, the

49:32

strength of all these young performers is

49:35

a big part of it. Like they're all pretty great

49:37

and they all are apparently

49:39

given the ability to do what they're best at.

49:42

Alex, to answer your question, I feel like my

49:45

high school experience was more teachers

49:47

taking things extremely seriously

49:49

and

49:50

students also taking things

49:52

seriously and everyone taking

49:55

everything very seriously, which I

49:57

think is really silly.

49:59

visit. It's just high school. It's not that

50:02

deep. We had a guy who was our he was

50:04

the ROTC instructor and

50:06

his name was Major Finch and I was not in

50:09

ROTC. His name was Major Finch?

50:12

Well he was a major and the last name was

50:14

Finch. Was he a veteran of the Boer

50:16

War? He

50:21

didn't have enough like ROTC to cover

50:23

his time so he had to like do like study hall monitoring

50:25

as well so we had him for study hall. Oh

50:28

no. And he took

50:29

that job as seriously

50:32

as like his position in the army. Like he

50:34

had the gravitas of a person who like we

50:37

were about to go to war at any time and

50:39

he was ready and I remember like it

50:41

went from being like menacing to farce.

50:44

Like we were all just like what's

50:47

going on with he was so he went

50:49

one this is this is going to date me but like one of

50:52

the classes above us they sang

50:54

at the senior assembly they sang the smashing

50:56

pumpkin song today because that was

50:58

the class song. How does that song go?

51:01

Today is the greatest day I've ever known.

51:03

No no no we go today.

51:06

I can't do that. But you're right you're

51:08

absolutely right. And he goes and we're like Major

51:10

Finch what did you think of the assembly and he was like

51:13

I think it was a travesty.

51:16

Oh was this guy 20 or 90?

51:19

He was like 40 years old he was a retired

51:21

like a freshly retired military so he was

51:23

like 40 years old. But

51:25

I loved those teachers in retrospect

51:27

I didn't like it then but I love those teachers now thinking

51:30

about them where I was like you know

51:31

you're a high school teacher right? Like this is a

51:33

whole different I know a whole different thing going

51:35

on.

51:36

I had a chemistry teacher who

51:38

was Kenyan

51:39

and he was like I'm gonna run for president

51:41

of Kenya in a few

51:42

years and we

51:44

were like okay. I was

51:46

like kind of like a big ass

51:48

like you have not lived in there

51:50

like you know you don't

51:52

seem

51:53

to be involved in their current government

51:55

but you're

51:56

almost like 15

51:58

and he's like a really

51:59

at least to our chemistry teacher, and you're

52:02

like, sure.

52:04

I never followed up. Maybe he did,

52:06

I'm not

52:06

sure. Oh my God.

52:09

What, yeah, why, I wonder

52:11

why this didn't take? Like why is this

52:13

a movie not enough people know about? It

52:16

seems, again, it seems like there's some distribution

52:18

issues because it's, you can't get it on like

52:20

Apple for whatever reason. But

52:23

I'm curious about why it didn't, why it didn't,

52:25

like, it came out early enough to not

52:28

be buried by September 11th. I'm

52:30

not entirely sure why

52:32

this one didn't

52:33

sort of grab a mass audience.

52:36

I would guess that there was just

52:37

so much other stuff somewhat

52:39

like this out at the same time that

52:42

it got buried by that.

52:43

I also just think it's weirder. Like it's

52:46

just weirder than other teen comedies.

52:48

Like, you know, like if you look

52:51

at 10 Things I Hate About You,

52:53

She's All That, like Bring It On, like

52:56

those are incredible films, but they're not

53:00

as silly or as like, you

53:02

know, have a runner of a dog that

53:04

won't stop pumping

53:05

things. Oh yeah. Like you know.

53:08

And

53:09

so I just think that maybe it

53:11

was like almost too strange

53:13

for its time in a sense

53:15

of life when people are taking themselves kind

53:17

of seriously, like when teenagers

53:20

are, you know, and then it probably didn't

53:22

reach an older audience that would have appreciated

53:24

its silliness. So

53:26

that's my hypothesis.

53:28

You know, I think that that sounds right.

53:30

Yeah, it does feel like the

53:31

tone was harder to pin down and

53:34

it was only in theaters for five weeks, which

53:37

I don't really understand how

53:39

those decisions get made. Like how do

53:41

you decide to pull a movie and just be

53:44

done with it? Like another movie that I'm

53:46

also curious about how they decided this,

53:48

that when the movie, the classic

53:50

film It's Pat was

53:53

put in a very limited number of theaters.

53:56

And it apparently did so poorly that

53:58

it just got pulled

53:59

straight to video for everybody else. It

54:02

technically had a theatrical release, but

54:04

not really. And I guess my quote, like not that I

54:06

think It's Pat probably deserved

54:08

more. I think that that was fine.

54:11

I think we're better for it doing that,

54:13

doing what it did. I think so. I think so

54:15

as well. Yeah. But like, but

54:18

how did we decide that about It's Pat? Because

54:20

worst movies have spent way more

54:22

time in theaters and therefore made more money.

54:24

I don't know what that movie is. It's

54:26

Pat is the theatrical version

54:28

of the

54:29

sketches from Saturday Night Live about

54:31

It's Pat with Julia

54:33

Sweeney and the whole joke. They're like, is

54:36

Pat a man or a woman? Clever. And

54:39

it was a thing for years, but it

54:41

was just around forever.

54:47

And really like the whole thing with Pat is

54:49

like Pat's

54:50

gender is irrelevant. It's really the creepy

54:53

workplace laughter that needs to be

54:55

dealt with. Yeah,

54:57

I like there were things it really felt like they

54:59

were going for it in a big way in this. Like I

55:01

love the whole I love the montage

55:05

that serves really

55:07

no purpose. Like no, it doesn't

55:10

deliver in any particular way outside of like introducing

55:12

some shenanigans, the

55:14

whole montage of like they're trying to set him

55:17

up with the hot woman from New Zealand.

55:20

And

55:20

she's just clumsy. Like the whole bit

55:22

is that she's clumsy. It leads to

55:25

they I think they go out for sushi

55:27

and there is a whole

55:29

comedy of errors, clumsy scene

55:31

where everything sort of goes awry. And I

55:34

like what's

55:37

that kid say? The kids are like,

55:40

oh, tits. I

55:43

feel like this is the movie that maybe came out and

55:45

adults were like, who's this for? And

55:47

the answer is like, it's for teenagers, which

55:50

I understand you don't get

55:52

because you're not one of them. But yeah, I

55:55

think that

55:56

sequence served the purpose of making

55:58

Burke like fears.

55:59

dating, right? It was such a

56:01

bad experience that he was like, I should

56:04

just keep trying to get back with my ex, which

56:06

is a known entity

56:07

rather than

56:09

trying to do people who catch

56:11

things on fire. I love that. So you've put

56:13

in your hours thinking about themes, even

56:15

you were like riding the bus six years ago and

56:17

you're like, that scene was there for that

56:20

season. Yes, you do. I love

56:22

that. This is one of those movies where

56:24

with the exception of the fact that again, like the last solid

56:26

bit is the play is it's just like

56:29

a bunch of sort of vignette

56:31

scenes in which we see him going out

56:33

and trying or not trying and learning

56:37

that he really wishes he was with

56:39

his. Sunday stage is also

56:41

a great example of this. And I remember when we talked

56:43

about it, what we liked the most, this was a bonus

56:45

episode, was that the big ballet

56:49

concert at the end is like a

56:51

summary of the entire movie to

56:53

that point. I

56:56

love it. Like that's what I'm talking

56:58

about. I need a musical dance

57:00

payoff. I really agree. Yeah.

57:03

And I really need I mean, what

57:05

if you could just add that in to more movies

57:07

that they then have a big musical section at the end

57:09

explaining most of what's happened? I

57:11

truly I don't I am not joking when

57:13

I say I think people think that I'm joking when I do

57:17

truly miss the horror heyday

57:19

or the or whatever heyday

57:21

of movies in the 80s and like early

57:24

90s and maybe a little bit of the tail end of the seven days. Hekday.

57:27

Where this song at the end of the movie explained

57:30

to the plot.

57:30

I know. I love

57:32

that. We're putting too much faith in people

57:34

understanding what they're saying. It

57:37

wasn't like a standard thing, but it happened

57:39

pretty often. Like enough for you to be like,

57:42

all right, well, I guess this is a thing we're doing.

57:44

So would it be an original song for the

57:46

movie?

57:46

Yeah. Well, so, for example, at

57:48

the end of the the Adams

57:51

family, there is a song by

57:53

M.C. Hammer

57:55

and he just describes the

57:57

Adams family like and describes what

57:59

happened in

57:59

like what high jinks occurred. There

58:02

was like usually like some tie in that

58:04

like before it was like, I don't know if it was like before

58:06

or after or during when it was like, let's

58:08

have this person just attach their pop

58:10

song to the movie. They would have

58:12

someone to be like, hey, this is the movie, here are the

58:14

themes, here's some of the stuff, write

58:17

something that speaks to that. It was like almost like

58:20

a hybrid of the Disney

58:21

model where like you'd have Vanessa Williams

58:24

sing a song about Pocahontas or

58:26

whatever. Well, you would have the original song

58:28

and then you would have the adult Contempo version

58:30

that played over the credits and was for grownups

58:32

to buy at the mall. Ooh.

58:34

Yeah, that's exactly right, yeah. I'm gonna read

58:37

the Adam's Groove by MC Hammer to you

58:39

guys. Thank you. They

58:41

do what they wanna do, say what they wanna say,

58:45

live how they wanna live, play

58:47

how they wanna play. Dance

58:49

how they wanna dance, kick

58:52

and the slap a friend. I think that's

58:54

a mistake in the transcription. Now

58:56

I was cold cooling, you know, maxing

58:59

and relaxing, just kicking it

59:01

around the house, Oaktown kicking

59:03

it. When a knock, a knock,

59:06

a knock and a voice, yo, can

59:08

Hammer come out? What's up? No,

59:11

I don't mind being a friend, I'm showing

59:13

a little bit of flavor. But Wednesday

59:16

pugsly Gomez fester, oh man,

59:19

man, send

59:20

some strange neighbors. Oh,

59:22

so he's inserting himself into

59:25

the world of the Adam family. He's

59:27

their neighbor, okay. And that's one way

59:29

for it to go, that's one way for it to go,

59:31

for sure. Like that would happen sometimes,

59:33

I just miss it. And I'm just thinking

59:36

now, less an explanatory sign,

59:38

but at the end of Friday the 13th, part

59:40

six, they had an original pop

59:42

song by Alice Cooper called, He's

59:45

Back, The Man Behind the Mask, which

59:48

is great, which also I did kind of explain

59:50

the movie. Yeah, yeah.

59:53

You're deep in love, but you're deeper in the woods.

59:56

I think it's fucking great.

59:59

What else do we want to say about

1:00:03

this movie before we ask our signature

1:00:05

question? Allison, we will walk you through that when

1:00:07

the time comes.

1:00:08

Oh, okay.

1:00:10

I guess I will just say like

1:00:12

other people don't have to think the things that

1:00:15

you like are good.

1:00:18

And

1:00:20

if you feel like you need that, you

1:00:22

can get over it. Yeah, I think you

1:00:24

can get over it. Their

1:00:27

lack of understanding of the magic

1:00:29

doesn't need to take it away from your joy

1:00:32

of the experience.

1:00:32

Spoken like a true

1:00:34

get over it fan. Yeah. It's

1:00:36

like a true fairy. Did you go through a period with

1:00:39

loving this movie early where you were frustrated

1:00:41

where maybe other people did not love it as much

1:00:43

as you do?

1:00:44

I'd say my biggest issue is when I finally

1:00:46

showed it to my husband, he wasn't like

1:00:48

blown away. I

1:00:51

do think that's a character flaw, but

1:00:53

you know. I'm sure he has many other

1:00:55

strengths. There's a whole thing in the vows about

1:00:57

that. Yeah.

1:00:59

And I guess I had to understand

1:01:02

that like

1:01:03

I was seeing at a time

1:01:05

where I

1:01:06

feel like it's influenced things

1:01:08

or like the humor is now more familiar,

1:01:11

like the types of like the jokes that they make

1:01:13

and like, you know, but like for

1:01:15

me, it's like when you watch like an action movie

1:01:17

that at the time the technology was so good

1:01:20

and now it's like dated or whatever. Like

1:01:22

at that time, I just feel like it was like

1:01:24

so. I also just think it's not his favorite

1:01:26

genre. Like, I don't know. Everyone's allowed

1:01:28

to be different, but it was a big

1:01:30

problem for us. Yeah, as

1:01:33

it should be. When I said on Twitter, we were going

1:01:35

to cover this and there were some people who are

1:01:38

enthusiastic about it. I asked, I was like, what

1:01:40

do you love about it? And they said, it is

1:01:42

the personification of this tweet. And

1:01:44

the tweet reads, there is some perfectly

1:01:47

good three out of five or four

1:01:49

out of five star movies out there that if

1:01:51

you watch them at the exact right point in

1:01:53

your life, you will become convinced that it's the

1:01:55

greatest movie ever made. And

1:01:57

I think like that's so many of the movies we cover.

1:02:00

cover where we form a bond with

1:02:02

a movie because it just was at exactly

1:02:05

the right time and

1:02:07

it became a part of us and we became a part of

1:02:09

it. And I love that. I have so

1:02:11

many of those movies where by no means

1:02:14

in any world do I expect someone else to have

1:02:16

the same feeling that I do about it. And

1:02:20

if we all did, that would be terrible because then

1:02:22

everything would be an heiress tour type situation.

1:02:24

Can't even get tickets. Can't even get tickets.

1:02:29

Well, so we do this thing at the end of the show, Alison,

1:02:31

where we ask the question, we say, we

1:02:33

know that Burke has a father who's

1:02:35

played by Begley Jr. in this movie,

1:02:37

who, in your view, is

1:02:39

the daddy of the movie. This is an

1:02:41

invitation for you to interpret that question

1:02:44

however you want. What character is

1:02:46

the daddy of? Get

1:02:48

over it and then just explain why

1:02:51

you think so. And again, your interpretation of

1:02:53

daddy

1:02:54

entirely up to you.

1:02:56

Wow, this is so hard.

1:03:00

I think it's Colin Hanks' character

1:03:03

because he's really looking out for

1:03:06

Burke. He meddles too much in other

1:03:08

people's business. He's trying to orchestrate

1:03:10

things that don't actually come about.

1:03:12

He thinks he understands the world better

1:03:15

than the other people around him when he doesn't really.

1:03:18

But then ultimately, his unconditional

1:03:20

love for both his sister and his best

1:03:22

friend means that everyone's happy and

1:03:25

together at the end.

1:03:27

That's a

1:03:28

perfect response to the question.

1:03:30

You got the task. That's fantastic.

1:03:33

That's great.

1:03:34

Who are you going to say?

1:03:35

I'm going to say Vitamin C in

1:03:37

this case for no

1:03:40

reason outside of the fact that like I can't

1:03:42

believe how much Vitamin C

1:03:44

has been in my life from being

1:03:47

in hair spray to graduating right

1:03:49

at the time the graduation song came out.

1:03:52

She's really fantastic in this. And

1:03:55

singing Love Will Keep Us Together, one of my

1:03:58

absolute favorite songs. a song that

1:04:00

when Stephen Malchmus described it in

1:04:02

an interview, said of the end that

1:04:05

he really appreciates a song that presents

1:04:07

simulated mirth. I love

1:04:09

this song so much. And

1:04:12

I think that it was such a dynamic

1:04:14

way to start the movie. She's the one who sings

1:04:16

the song, right? At the beginning of the movie. Yeah. And then

1:04:18

she thinks

1:04:19

again at the end, she's not a character in the

1:04:20

film. No, she's just there as vitamin

1:04:23

C open and close to the movie. And it's fucking

1:04:25

great. I love it. I loved her. It

1:04:28

was a delight.

1:04:29

Like, how did that even come to be

1:04:31

is another

1:04:31

big question I have. Great question.

1:04:34

She was eating at the same Arby's as a

1:04:36

director and it took a chance. Well,

1:04:38

with I think the graduation song came out either

1:04:41

in 2000 or early summer of 2000 or summer 2001.

1:04:43

And if it was summer of 2000,

1:04:47

there was at least nine months in which she

1:04:49

could do whatever she wanted. Yeah. That

1:04:52

was the biggest song in the world.

1:04:54

And what she chose

1:04:57

to do was to be in get over

1:04:58

it. Good for her. She nailed it with

1:05:01

Cisco. She's like Cisco is going to be in it. It'll be great.

1:05:04

Sarah Marshall, who's your daddy? My daddy

1:05:06

is Cisco. And I love

1:05:09

that he's in this movie. It was such a sweet surprise.

1:05:11

He gets a big

1:05:12

dance solo at the end. He like he

1:05:14

was in stage crew and he gets to step up and

1:05:16

be a featured dancer. And it's so exciting

1:05:18

for his character,

1:05:19

his name I don't remember.

1:05:21

And I also

1:05:23

I didn't hear this personally. I heard tell

1:05:25

of it from my friend Adrian, but I will tell you what

1:05:27

I heard, which is that on

1:05:30

Z100, Portland's pop

1:05:32

radio station, every weekend

1:05:34

or something, they would play the top five pop

1:05:37

hits.

1:05:37

And at the height of Cisco's song

1:05:40

song, they just played the song song

1:05:42

five times in a row and no

1:05:46

one else has approached that level

1:05:48

of power. Maybe ever.

1:05:51

Also, your hit station was called Z100 to.

1:05:54

Yeah, I think that that's just a

1:05:56

thing. There's just like Z100 all over the place.

1:05:59

Yeah, because in.

1:05:59

In New York, that was like the main guy. I

1:06:02

bet we were copying you. We were like,

1:06:04

they're far away. They'll never know this. Alison,

1:06:09

thanks for being here. This was tremendous.

1:06:11

This is something I've wanted

1:06:13

to do for a long time. And

1:06:15

if even if 10 more people watch Get

1:06:17

Over It as a result of this, I'll have done the Lord's

1:06:20

work. You'll have brought

1:06:21

so much joy into the world. I hope

1:06:23

that this movie, that

1:06:25

you share it with so many more people because

1:06:27

it's just such a light, sweet, like

1:06:29

it really does just like make me feel

1:06:32

like kind of safe and happy to

1:06:33

watch. And I'm so happy to know about another movie

1:06:35

that can do that. Oh, yay. I'm

1:06:38

going to cry. Oh my God. Alison,

1:06:41

what do you want people to find of yours?

1:06:43

Like how should people look for you when they're done listening?

1:06:46

Oh, yes. I'm sort of all

1:06:48

over the internet, but you can listen to my podcast

1:06:50

just between us on Mondays and

1:06:52

Wednesdays. I also have a

1:06:54

YouTube channel called Just Between Us and then a mental

1:06:57

health focused Instagram and sub stack

1:06:59

called Emotional Support

1:07:00

Lady. Fabulous. Thank

1:07:03

you, Alison. Really thank

1:07:05

you for being here. This is a highlight of the day. Well,

1:07:08

highlight of the year for me. Alison.

1:07:20

Hi everybody, that is it for this week's episode

1:07:23

of You Are Good of Feeling's podcast about movies.

1:07:25

Thank you so much to Alison Raskin

1:07:28

for joining us and talking about Get Over It.

1:07:30

Thanks to Miranda Ziegler for producing

1:07:33

this episode, for editing this episode. Thanks

1:07:35

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1:07:37

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1:08:02

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1:08:04

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1:08:06

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1:08:09

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1:08:13

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1:08:15

don't forget that you,

1:08:18

my friend, are good.

1:08:30

you