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can't be serious man. You cannot

0:33

be serious. Music When

0:46

it's alright and it's coming. Oh

0:48

we gotta get right back to

0:51

where we started from. Love

0:54

is good. Now the man,

0:56

the man, I don't want to give too

0:58

much away but he's a man. The

1:01

man we're about to have a chat to

1:03

is a legend.

1:06

A legend in the Australian entertainment

1:09

industry and I've known him for

1:11

a long time. He's

1:16

well he's had a

1:18

record company. He's had

1:20

a production company. He's

1:24

on the radio on a nightline

1:27

radio show. I think every

1:30

other week or every week we'll ask him about that.

1:33

He's recorded songs for the

1:35

Commonwealth Games. He has toured

1:40

the United Kingdom and he's been

1:42

over entertaining our troops in Vietnam

1:44

at various stages. Well not at

1:46

various stages when the war was

1:48

on. He was a

1:53

sheet metal

1:56

worker at the Commonwealth Aircraft

1:58

Corporation when he arrived. arrived

2:00

here from England.

2:02

He's an English-born Aussie

2:05

legend and he's more commonly known and

2:08

not, this is his body

2:10

of work has been extensive, but he's

2:12

more commonly known for putting the

2:15

AFL on the map by writing and singing the great

2:17

standard that

2:19

is now synonymous with Australian

2:22

football up there kazali.

2:24

Now if you need any more prompting as to

2:26

who this is, it's the great Mike Brady. Welcome

2:28

to You Cannot Be Serious, Mike. It's

2:33

lovely to be here, Sam, and lovely to see

2:35

you. We do go back on our way, aren't

2:37

we? We go back. Now, just

2:39

before you, I just want to ask you this. This is

2:41

always just as we try

2:43

to do a little research. This got me. This

2:51

is what it says that, if I can just get this

2:53

thing to work soon. Just a minute, here we

2:55

go. This

2:57

is what it says, Brady is also the

3:00

chairman of Kogmetrics, a predictive people analytics

3:04

company that uses cognitive

3:06

neuroscience software for talent

3:09

management, recruitment, productivity and

3:11

organizational development. Holy shit!

3:14

What does that mean?

3:17

Well, it's a bit old. Is that old?

3:19

I'm not on with that company anymore. What did that mean? Well,

3:23

it was some cognitive

3:25

development for driving capabilities.

3:27

Yeah, mental acuity. That's what exercises,

3:29

programs to make people use a little

3:31

bit more of their brain, like you,

3:33

of course. Yeah, like me.

3:35

I remember when you came to see me

3:37

with the great Len Thompson years ago, because

3:40

you wanted to get into radio and television,

3:42

and you sat there looking around the room.

3:44

You didn't say a word

3:46

and Len did all the talking. Yeah. That

3:48

lovely Len, a great mate of you and mine, of course. Yes.

3:51

And he rang me, he said, how did it go? And I said, well,

3:54

I'd see you having a career in television

3:56

and radio, Lenny, but your mate doesn't talk.

4:00

That's fantastic. That you started and we couldn't

4:02

shut you up. Yeah, that's good. Well

4:04

now, Mike, you are the – I

4:08

say this and I'm not – you are the

4:10

Don McLean of the

4:13

Australian Record Entry because Don McLean is

4:16

known for American Pie and

4:18

you are known for a whole lot of

4:20

other things but up there, Kizali, is your

4:22

sort of bread and butter and

4:24

what a – well, not

4:27

your bread and butter but you

4:29

are known nationally for

4:31

up there, Kizali, at every AFL

4:33

and every award and rightly so.

4:36

And before we get on to how

4:38

that started, I vaguely – I actually

4:41

really know how that started because there

4:43

was a Peter Sullivan, the man that

4:45

you, I think,

4:47

maybe co-wrote it or

4:50

whatever you did with him, the two-man bad.

4:52

Yeah, we made a pseudonym up and Peter

4:55

made a lovely contribution to up there,

4:57

Kizali. Yes. So, knowledge and

4:59

we're still great mates. And

5:02

you – they have a – he

5:05

started a stage show called –

5:07

Yeah. Was it called Up There,

5:09

Kizali? I think it was Up There, Kizali, the story

5:11

or the back story or something like that. Yeah, that's

5:13

right and it goes right back to how you actually

5:15

came up with the idea and did it. Yeah.

5:18

And it was in

5:21

relation to Channel Sevens – no,

5:23

Channel Nine, so I'm beg your pardon. No,

5:26

Channel Seven. No, Channel Nine. No, Channel Nine

5:28

did the – Kerry

5:31

Packer got him to do for

5:33

World Series Cricket. It was called

5:35

– Come on, Ozzy. What was it

5:37

called? Come on, Ozzy. That's right and that

5:39

is – He's number one. And I think

5:41

it is fair to say that

5:44

the people at Sevens said Packer

5:46

has taken the cricket world by storm by

5:48

getting – come on, Ozzy, come on. Could

5:51

you come up with something that gets the AFL onto

5:53

the map? Is that vaguely right? Yeah, well it was

5:55

the AFL then of course. A VFL, yeah. A long

5:57

time ago, 45 years ago this year. And

6:00

that's really how it went. The advertising

6:03

agency, two, like Sue, spent most of

6:05

the time in England. One was on the straight end,

6:07

but he'd sort of started his

6:09

career in England and put me a guy called

6:12

Ronnie. And Ronnie said, do you

6:14

know anything about straightening football? And

6:16

I played a bit in Port Melbourne. I was

6:19

absolutely useless, by the way, because I didn't want to

6:21

break my fingers because I played guitar. Hopeless footballer. But

6:23

we sat there, we had a couple of beers, and

6:25

I said, you know what you need? You need a

6:28

cat's cry. And Port Melbourne, up

6:30

near Kazali, had a relationship because

6:33

he played at South Melbourne. South

6:35

Melbourne, yeah. Roy Kazali.

6:38

And he said, what about up near Kazali?

6:40

You know that old expression, you went, never

6:42

heard of it. And the other one

6:45

said to me, I don't know what it means,

6:48

but it's kind of catchy. It's

6:50

fancy, isn't that extraordinary, how that up

6:52

there, Kazali. And you know, and it

6:54

probably, unless you're my age now, has

6:57

ever heard of Roy Kazali, but you've

6:59

made him and his family and his

7:01

generation synonymous with the greatness of

7:03

our game. Well, he was a

7:05

wonderful man, and I didn't know a lot

7:07

of his history, but he was very fair.

7:09

And he was a teetotaler, and

7:12

he trained a lot of young kids

7:14

and gave them careers in Hobart.

7:17

Please, this will sound ridiculous.

7:19

How old, when did Roy

7:21

Kazali die? Oh, God,

7:24

it was a long time ago. You didn't meet him.

7:26

No, no, he was dead before you were, yeah. I

7:30

thought of up there for Jezza. Didn't

7:32

think up there for Sammy, because I don't think

7:34

he was called Sammy. Well,

7:37

I can do it for a price. You

7:42

could have said, Jezzalinko, you're guilty.

7:44

Yeah, what a great line. Yeah,

7:48

Mike Williamson, Jezzalinko, you're guilty.

7:52

Well, so that is why I

7:54

don't want to take the hold of this chat up

7:56

on just because your body

7:58

of work is... extensive and so

8:00

you were part of the very successful

8:03

trio MPD. Yes. Mike,

8:05

Pete and Danny. How

8:08

did that start and your

8:10

the great hit was lonely boy,

8:13

little boy. I know I got the

8:15

total mixed up. So how did you how did you

8:17

come to be with Danny Finley

8:24

and Peter who was

8:26

the Peter Watson. Yeah. Died many years ago.

8:29

That's a long time ago too. But

8:31

I lived on the migrant hostel within

8:33

spitting distance of where we are now

8:35

on the Yarrots Fishermen's,

8:37

Fishermen's Bend migrant hostel and

8:40

I learned guitar. We used to sing in the

8:42

wash houses because they echoed and women,

8:45

it was all women do drudgery in

8:47

those days, didn't use them at night.

8:49

They're scrubbing boards and singing but it

8:51

echoed. So we'd sing the song the boys

8:53

then the girls would sing the song. I

8:56

mean how innocent is that

8:59

and I got a little bit better at it and the bloke had

9:01

a guitar and I learned a couple of chords and

9:03

I started playing this song little

9:05

boy save which is a rockabilly song. But

9:07

I couldn't play it fast

9:11

so I did dum dum dum dum

9:13

dum dum. Same riff that slowed it

9:15

right down and it became a massive

9:18

number one. Massive and

9:20

I remember it. So in 58? No.

9:25

I got to the hostel in 59. You got here in 59? Yeah. I was 11 and I

9:27

think I was 15 when I became

9:34

a session guitarist. That's school at 14. Went to

9:37

school in Port Melbourne. Now your mum and dad. My

9:39

dad was a former boxer and sergeant major

9:44

from Dublin. And you live with them in

9:47

a hostel here? In a hostel. Fantastic. My

9:49

mum worked on the hostel and I worked

9:51

as you said at Fisherman's Bend. Sorry at

9:53

CAC as a sheet metal worker and cut

9:55

my hands to shred on it. So it

9:57

was the first day and went back three

9:59

months. laser but that was in the

10:01

street too so I have I mean

10:04

it's unrecognizable when was little boy sad

10:06

number one or I remember yeah remember

10:08

when I was my my radio

10:14

station is golden days radio and

10:16

I hear it invariably comes on

10:18

there little boy said yeah

10:20

do you you get a bit

10:23

of a royalty well

10:25

so MPD then you toured

10:27

with him yes

10:29

we toured extensively went to England to

10:31

make our fortune trouble was there's some

10:34

pretty good bands over there band called the Beatles

10:36

yeah the kinks yeah all

10:38

those fabulous and we were probably

10:40

up to speed but we came

10:43

back here and I met a

10:45

girl on the beach at

10:47

Lorne and ended up marrying a few years later

10:49

did you I didn't want to go back on

10:51

the beach at Lorne down there with

10:54

the open-neck trousers just wandering

10:56

around the streets there and luring

10:59

them in is he

11:01

dying oh yeah

11:03

and you have a

11:06

very good friend called Lindsay who listens

11:08

to this he'll be Lindsay McLaughlin we're

11:10

sending him a shout out is what

11:12

we do he's a he

11:14

says he listens to the podcast so he will

11:16

be fascinated by this did you know all this

11:18

about you all this will be hearing this for

11:20

the first time Lindsay so I'm not getting on

11:23

top there kazali it so then you

11:34

went to viet to Vietnam

11:37

and the government got

11:39

you to do that no it wasn't a

11:41

government tour there were two distinct differences there

11:43

were government tours where people went over and lived

11:45

on the post-alum basis you have for a few weeks

11:48

and all that stuff and there are some

11:50

of us that went there to make our fortune

11:52

yep and bloke an American

11:54

promoter there was a comedian

11:57

signed us up and there were we had a three-piece band

11:59

at the time but wasn't MPD. It

12:01

wasn't called MPD either sometimes on

12:04

the, you know, the web it

12:06

says it was MPD and it

12:08

was called the Down Under Trio.

12:10

Yeah, generic name. Terrible.

12:12

Anyway we went over there and

12:15

we spent nine or ten months

12:17

really living on the economy. We had a

12:20

little villa in Saigon when we were there

12:22

but we spent most of our times in

12:24

the Central Highlands with the US troops not

12:27

the Australian troops entertaining the troops and it

12:29

was pretty rugged. Rugged. There

12:31

were a lot of us there, a lot

12:33

of Americans and Koreans and... Dangerous?

12:35

Were you in risk? It was dangerous, yeah,

12:38

but we were okay. But we,

12:40

you know, we took a few incoming rounds

12:42

here and there. We could hear them at

12:44

night, on K, hitting the runway

12:46

at night and they'd hit the sandbags

12:48

on the side of our tent. So

12:51

it was pretty, it was a pretty

12:53

profound experience. Cathartic really. Yeah, cathartic and

12:56

you, so was that

13:00

before you, that would be before you

13:02

toured in the UK? No, that

13:04

was after. There we go. I played with John

13:07

Young's band for a while at a company. Yes.

13:10

And he went to England and hooked

13:12

up with the Bee Gees and wrote a couple of really

13:14

big hits for him and I didn't

13:16

go to that. John and I didn't get on

13:18

well in those days. We probably had some Oregos

13:21

I reckon. Yeah. We're good mates now. But yeah,

13:23

it was before then and then I

13:26

came back and it was time really to

13:28

settle down. So I got a job as

13:30

a life assurance salesman. Did

13:32

you? Yeah, I wasn't very good

13:35

at it but I did it. I stuck with it.

13:37

I was playing six nights a week in those days

13:39

and collecting insurance

13:41

premiums in Williamstown and

13:43

the gigs I play

13:46

that. And you

13:48

had a record label called Full

13:50

Moon Records? Yeah. Was that

13:53

before the fame

13:55

of up there

13:57

Kazzali? It just says... Up

14:00

there, Kisele, or One Day in September, are

14:02

they the synonymous same title, are they? No,

14:05

One Day in September is a different song.

14:07

Two Up There Kisele. There

14:10

was a little line. In

14:12

there and find... We

14:15

want to remember, and

14:17

any doubting will be in there shouting. So

14:19

you wrote both those songs? Yeah. Well,

14:22

that's extraordinary, because they are just... When

14:25

football, and they're just... that's well done,

14:27

they're just anthems. I'm still

14:29

going to get on to how that started,

14:31

and the Roy Kisele story, and what Seven

14:33

did, and what you tried to gazump Nine,

14:35

and you did, of course. Well,

14:37

you didn't gazump them, but you matched them

14:39

with the... But they were my mates, the

14:42

guys that wrote that. Yes. Come on, Ozzy,

14:44

Mo and Joe in Sydney, and the very

14:46

clever guys. And the backstage...

14:48

the backroom... backroom

14:52

chat about the anthem, and

14:54

what Ron Casey you wanted

14:56

for Seven, and their

14:58

input, and you went backwards and forwards, because

15:01

that's what it has in the play, anyhow.

15:03

I don't know how accurate all

15:05

that is. And then you had remix

15:07

publishing companies. Music

15:12

publishing, yeah. How'd you go in today? Is that...?

15:15

Yeah, well, a music publisher really promotes people's songs.

15:17

That's what they're used to. They're more like a

15:19

banking system these days. They can fiddle advances

15:21

for their songs. But

15:24

a good publisher gets out and works his

15:26

songs. And I've done that with quite a

15:28

few writers over the years. They're called covers,

15:30

covers... Yes, yep. ...since someone else's songs. Or

15:34

sometimes you wrote songs. People have covered mine.

15:37

And it's a way of making money, because

15:39

the money these days, the last vestige of

15:41

the music industry, the remnants, certainly

15:44

in Australia, is publishing, collecting money

15:46

for its use on television, or

15:48

its use on radio

15:51

in commercials, or however it's used.

15:53

So it's probably the most lucrative

15:55

side. They Pay you

15:58

residuals and fees. There

16:00

were using a was as your

16:02

your I. I. T out

16:04

not your i was a guide for

16:06

years or intellectual property and yep it's

16:09

it's service as an organization for Apple

16:11

was is trying to have forming rights

16:13

association and they collect money and sings

16:15

plays and their distributors and to the

16:17

rises and with aims of a lot

16:19

of people would not be up to

16:21

go one because the lives since now

16:23

is really lousy signing. Up.

16:26

And I'd I was just looking over

16:28

here. So episode sometimes we play music

16:30

have inadvertently and or if we going

16:32

to put it to a are they

16:34

who they will get a letter or

16:36

we get to a seat and we

16:38

get i am notifications I say you

16:41

cannot play this, you have not got

16:43

licensed by the Smith and Co and

16:45

everything so to that even just if

16:47

it's a couple of bars or something

16:49

that's how they run onto it and

16:51

a good on I'm still be doing

16:53

that as anyway rises Schisms. Sir

16:56

than playing of the music and

16:58

live here playing it just on

17:00

radio or television but playing it's

17:02

i'm feeling on size of thing

17:05

used of in his advisers and

17:07

up the vice versa aren't that

17:09

expensive and a broadcasting organized have

17:11

what they call a blanket license

17:14

which they negotiate which covers everything

17:16

they try and I think it's

17:18

pretty say it's very misunderstood but.

17:21

People. To the internet by you as

17:23

well as against his company's bottom left.

17:25

Now it's and that's little this am

17:27

but not not a long night at

17:30

some fortifies notorious for not giving people

17:32

much money. well you know I gotta

17:34

I gotta it's I'm a chick are

17:36

gonna the As and statements her. I'm

17:40

over. Million Screams is and on

17:42

a dab not strength and I

17:44

got some. A statement was a

17:47

city eight pages on. the amount

17:49

was thirty two dollars. Does

17:51

new, you know, nice. It's just

17:53

not suffice. A lot of people

17:55

higher levels introduce me to me

17:57

by a former prime. Yes, this

17:59

is. It all the money goes

18:01

but it didn't sister effects on

18:03

the now some big publishers own.

18:06

The. Shares his be streaming organizations and

18:08

that's how I make a lot

18:10

of and so did you find

18:12

your. To. Your career took

18:14

a turn for the better after the

18:16

the year after uptake Azalea and one

18:19

day in September came out and paypal.

18:21

So now this is the man we

18:23

wonder have right stuff for us on

18:25

that it or not she wrote you're

18:27

here to win for the come with

18:29

guns reset after the success of government

18:32

don't here so people thought now in

18:34

a man to man the only man

18:36

to go there is the great My

18:38

Friday or that same year I became

18:40

the and some riser years of Australia.

18:43

And and had a a sit down and do

18:45

that well. sometimes I got it right, sometimes I

18:47

didn't really wrong. I mean we wouldn't hear the

18:50

ones you got room. That

18:53

some got played in again they had

18:55

contractual were. Playing. With about

18:57

some of my better would consider seem

18:59

to the com or sciences Channel Seven

19:01

which was called Courage in their eyes

19:04

and I'm pretty proud that Predator it's

19:06

hard to listen. Up. Their society

19:08

ended and swims around that nine.

19:10

So you know nine hundred jazz

19:12

about a doctor or nurse might

19:14

raise easy. The up there is

19:17

a the rice. Said

19:20

now and broadly so because it's

19:22

it is, it is just part

19:24

and parcel of verse. the I

19:26

felt package V of her life

19:28

so packets now I saw him

19:30

alongside so at run Casey oh

19:32

any was hit a seven and

19:34

he said we've got a we

19:36

need something that. Sticks in

19:38

the minds of paper because carry had

19:40

done world series cricket with them or

19:42

one hour with them on come on

19:44

Ozzy come on which was on a

19:46

you think was fantastic and they said

19:49

you've gotta do something like this to

19:51

put our for our our a vehicle

19:53

on the market which is i feel

19:55

football and them so they got to

19:57

it and i said ride his of.

20:00

Like canvas go is that how it

20:02

worked or hurt? Or did they give

20:04

you advice? Me since but out of

20:06

it might I know what I'm day

20:08

know leave it to me or boy

20:11

was of advertising has really because there's

20:13

very good does could Campaign Palace and

20:15

South Melbourne and they. Are.

20:17

Did a lot of work for them. One loss

20:20

of the was but they never told me what

20:22

to rise. They told me what they want to

20:24

do a t v him sick but they're smart

20:26

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20:28

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20:31

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Odds kind of nail this because I've watched

21:32

as I was fascinated when I came here

21:34

as a kid. Watching. Was

21:36

he was because this was a sort

21:38

of sissies in. Some. Games

21:41

played on one year and the

21:43

changes have been. Incredibly.

21:45

Profound yeah, I watched as as

21:48

an outsider. And then. I

21:50

think roundabout the time I met Lenny. Am.

21:54

I went with couple of

21:56

times supposed to stay assessments

21:58

and voices. What's the? what's

22:00

the crowd more than I was. The.

22:03

Actual game. And

22:05

Lenny wasn't As of music. And.

22:08

I was in into football. So. That's

22:10

how his has great my side to

22:12

side with him as a reserve or

22:14

with his parents on occasions in i

22:16

yeah pretty good made some stein you

22:19

a bit of that the background of

22:21

football and the passions and it was

22:23

huge. I came from England where where

22:25

football it they are. Football is really

22:28

big but not as big per capita.

22:30

I think Australia had the biggest yeah

22:32

attendance of lies sport per capita in

22:34

the world in the world that's a

22:37

fact and is one of the episode

22:39

us part. Of his her male to

22:41

that is so just so it was

22:43

called the Two Men Banned because you

22:45

and Sally Peter Sullivan at where it

22:48

Where did he What did he do

22:50

Well I'm Peter was well cool. The

22:52

Two Men men fall to pieces It

22:54

arises for me yet another the time

22:56

and on the day that eyes did

22:58

longer version of that hip because it

23:01

was no. Name. Given to it

23:03

to her band or my radio. Anything that

23:05

when we did a longer version of it

23:07

because Channel Seven's know. A

23:09

person the piece of her friends with brass

23:11

offices are you So we went back and

23:14

we might have those and like the roof

23:16

was assessed him and I yes and he

23:18

was the ranger and unease and name for

23:20

it on the day. So. I

23:22

said are just call it the to

23:24

and bands of pseudonym really I don't

23:26

think we words. If. We did. it would

23:28

have only been once as The Zoom and Bands. That

23:32

exists. My that's the same as

23:34

Remix Publishing. I made that name

23:36

up on the day not knowing

23:38

that Remixes would become such a

23:40

big thank. Such a big singer

23:42

that cause confusion so I know

23:45

of a big salaries sort of

23:47

parochial. The Adam Victorian of November

23:49

your nationally acclaimed for the Subway

23:51

no matter where the games applied

23:53

or you get asked to do

23:55

that into stated various herbs. Every

23:58

way to to the. of

24:00

some NRL fans but before I wrote a

24:02

song called War Horse. It might have been

24:05

War Horse but

24:10

in War Horse for Rex Mossum, Ruddy

24:13

Lee. It was about this bloke

24:15

that I forget his name had

24:18

broken every bone in his body and they

24:20

had a picture with all the arrows to what

24:22

had broken. So I had a little bit of

24:24

experience but it was number

24:26

one in every state in Australia. War

24:28

Horse? No sorry, up because I didn't,

24:30

including Sydney, which I was way before

24:33

the swans. I was very proud of

24:35

that. It's only one person known in

24:37

Sydney. Do you know who that was

24:39

in Australian Rules? Let me just think.

24:41

One person was known. Back in

24:46

the day or? In the day and afterwards.

24:48

There was one person you were asking about

24:51

AFL. I'm tempted to say Warwick Campa but I

24:53

don't know why I'm tempted to say that. Well

24:55

before then. Yeah that's right. It was Ronnie Brassy.

24:57

He was the most famous.

24:59

That's right. He was

25:02

asked to go out and save or

25:04

try and save the swans. Embarkation if

25:06

you like onto the market up there.

25:08

What a man. So we got into the

25:10

studios at Campaign Palace

25:12

and you gave

25:15

him a few ruffs if you like

25:17

and they said yeah, yeah. When did

25:19

it actually, when did

25:21

they say wow we've got something here?

25:23

By about March Gordon Bennett was involved,

25:28

Gary Fenton, the late, great Gary Fenton and

25:31

Ron Casey and I had a

25:33

meeting with them and they thought that I might

25:35

be television material. So I did an audition.

25:37

I did an audition. I

25:43

could do it now but I couldn't do it then. Absolutely

25:45

useless. So that finished my television

25:52

career very quickly but

25:55

they knew that the song had something

25:57

because they cut that great film clip.

26:00

Great film clip. Yeah. And

26:02

Gordon and Gary were very

26:04

constructive in some of the

26:07

suggestions, which I ignored. And

26:09

they were. And Ron

26:12

Casey was really the boss.

26:14

And we're just going with him now and

26:16

again. But I liked him. And

26:19

we were going to do a film called Up

26:21

There, because what I didn't know was they'd already

26:23

sold, or bought, I should say, the television rights

26:25

to the club. Yes. It

26:27

was a David Williamson play. And

26:29

they said, no, you're telling the wrong story. Well,

26:31

I know why, because they're very good. So they

26:33

got up there, because they're in the club instead

26:35

of in the film. That was Graham Kennedy, wasn't that

26:38

one of them? It was, yeah, Graham Kennedy. Yes,

26:40

he played a great role. He cried. He actually. Did

26:42

he? Jack Thompson told me that

26:44

he cried in one of the

26:46

scenes. So he was an actor. And

26:49

he played a part in his life, didn't he? Like an

26:51

actor. Yeah, he did. Absolutely.

26:54

So Up There,

26:56

Cazale preceded One Day in

26:58

September. Yes. So

27:01

they're two great anthems.

27:03

So everyone in the

27:06

crowd, when they're out of your singing, they all sing it. They

27:09

all know the words. When did it come out? One

27:12

day in September, I think it was 1981. I

27:15

have to say, I was two at the time. But

27:17

I don't know. Yeah. And

27:22

it was very popular, but didn't sell

27:24

quite Up There, because quite often follow-ups

27:26

don't sell. But it's

27:28

sort of grown. Younger people like it. I love

27:30

singing it. I like to sing it once, I

27:32

think, at a grand final. And

27:35

then I think I said One Day in October, and

27:38

the people didn't like me challenging it. No, that's right.

27:41

Because they had the grand

27:43

final in an October one, didn't they? Yeah,

27:45

that's right. One Day in October. Yeah, that's

27:47

right. The play is nearly over. Well,

27:50

so do

27:52

you get asked by various

27:55

other sports or organisations to come up with

27:58

something to put them on the map? map,

28:00

the basketballers or the netballers or

28:02

our view. Yeah,

28:04

I've done a few over the years. I've done

28:06

a few sports, different sports. So

28:10

you research the history of them and then

28:12

you work out what's appropriate to put down

28:14

and sing about. I mean, I don't know

28:16

how you'd possibly go about thinking up the

28:18

words and the tune to a song. That's

28:20

the beauty of songwriters, isn't it? I think

28:22

you've just got to believe that you can

28:24

do it and just bore on.

28:26

I mean, everybody's got

28:30

creativity in them. But you've got to have some musical.

28:33

You're a self-taught

28:36

musician. Can you understand music? Can you

28:38

read music? I did that in my

28:40

30s. I did my grades of music

28:42

because I got caught out conducting the

28:44

Melbourne Symphony and they were all looking

28:46

at me. It was one of those

28:48

guest conductors. I'm waving waves around. The

28:51

violinists and the cello player, you were crying

28:53

with laughter because it's so I say, don't,

28:56

don't, don't, don't. And they're

28:58

not looking at the conductor. So

29:00

I thought, no, I'm embarrassed. So

29:02

I did piano, practical and did my

29:04

exams with the kids at the exhibition

29:06

buildings. I was 32 or 33 at

29:08

the time. So I did learn a

29:10

bit, but I

29:14

never really used it. I was always

29:16

good with melodies, making

29:18

up melodies. Some would

29:21

say I plagiarized here and there, but I don't think

29:23

I did. I've

29:25

plagiarized myself a few times. But

29:27

I had a lot of friends. Knowing

29:31

nothing about it, Mike, I'd say it'd be

29:33

pretty hard to think up an original song

29:36

or music that is

29:38

not influenced by anything else you've ever heard.

29:40

That must be so difficult to be very

29:42

careful not to think, man, this could be

29:45

confused with someone else who wrote that. I

29:47

think it's a great song for Australia, but if you think of sports

29:50

songs around the world, there aren't

29:52

that many great sports songs all around the world. So that's one

29:54

of the greatest sports songs I've ever written

29:56

in my opinion. Well, it's used in other countries.

29:58

I think... Darby County

30:00

used the melody. For many

30:03

years he said, the author originated unknown,

30:05

so we caught

30:07

up with them and had

30:09

chat. Because the publishers

30:11

at the time wanted millions, and

30:14

I said, well no, I'm not the litigious

30:16

person, if they just acknowledge me I'd be

30:19

happy. And there

30:22

were other clubs and put

30:24

words to the... Yes.

30:29

Really? And the verses. And

30:32

they did, and that is absolutely

30:34

plagiarising. Yes, it is. It goes,

30:37

Steve Bloomer's watching. Steve Bloomer was

30:39

a ceased star

30:41

of Darby County. And

30:43

it goes, Steve Bloomer's

30:45

watching. He's watching down

30:47

on us. Anyway, we

30:49

did have a chat and I think we settled

30:52

for 10 quid or something. What, why did, what,

30:54

what, what, that's taking you off. They were struggling

30:56

at the time. Now they're... Oh, bad luck. They

30:58

had a lot of success. Success. But

31:01

I see a trickle of royalties. But

31:03

you'd be surprised how little Up

31:05

There Cosality earns from royalties. Up

31:08

There Cosality isn't money for TV

31:10

commercials and information and stuff like

31:12

that. But not because

31:15

we're a small country population wise,

31:17

it's in the hundreds, not the

31:20

thousands per year. Don't

31:22

tell me the AFL don't give you

31:24

a reasonable stipend to go

31:26

out and sing it at the grand

31:29

final or at functions or at the

31:31

brown low, wherever. Don't tell me

31:33

they're mean with talking

31:36

you. Are they? Surely. No, no.

31:38

And now they do actually pay a

31:40

performing royalty, which is for the

31:43

writer and that's separate. I get

31:45

a fee on the day, which

31:47

would be... As a performer. As a

31:49

performer, yeah. But only, I'm not really,

31:51

I'm part of what they call on

31:54

ground entertainment. So I don't get anything

31:56

like what the headliners get. And that's

31:58

probably right. They get into people

32:00

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32:02

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32:39

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32:41

a quarter of the largest of

32:43

what they sorry the lowest yeah of

32:45

what they've paid not the largest the

32:48

lowest they've reportedly paid but you know

32:50

it's it is a payday and I

32:52

love the crowd yeah participation

32:54

when I came out in 1979 Sam on

32:59

that little rostrum I get a milk

33:02

crate now but yeah I'm Ross from there I

33:05

came out and people saying

33:07

yeah Mike and men and women because

33:09

up there cos Ailey's not all about

33:11

blokes you know it's it

33:14

was I made very careful that took

33:16

very careful universal that it was universal

33:18

even in those days you were yeah

33:21

I thought that thinking well

33:23

I realized it was 50% of the market

33:25

we thought about big men flying and every song

33:28

had big men flying and the boys come out

33:30

and all that stuff I thought we

33:32

were isolating and it might have been part of

33:34

the help that cos

33:36

Ailey got with the other

33:38

with the half the population Andy

33:41

you've coined are you acquaintances

33:44

or friends of other

33:46

performers that come out or around Australia

33:49

who are your who do you admire

33:51

or who who do you who do

33:53

you who do you know

33:56

in the industry that impress you and

33:58

vice versa you would impress the I've

34:01

met a lot over the years and I know a few.

34:04

When Kiss came out last year, Gene

34:07

Simmons ran out and gave me a fist

34:09

punch which went viral all over the world.

34:11

This old blokey, I think he's about a

34:13

year younger than me. Anyway, he can't see

34:15

it but anyway, he gave me a fist

34:17

punch and Paul Stanley I met and spoken

34:19

to him a few times. They're

34:22

pretty big stars. They're both billionaires.

34:24

I mean, they knew what they

34:26

were doing. And I admire people

34:28

that make the most of their

34:30

talent. I don't, a

34:33

lot of people that call themselves divas, female

34:35

artists and that are actually really clever but

34:37

they're not divas as such. They

34:39

sing but with a lot of help

34:42

but they're great knowing where they're going.

34:44

I mean, you could say that...

34:46

Carly would be one of those. She's fantastic. Carly,

34:48

I think she's not, I don't think she's a

34:50

great singer anymore. No, but she is just fantastic.

34:52

But she's a great artist. Fantastic. Madonna is a

34:54

great artist. Yeah. And I think

34:56

that the way that Swift has caused the phenomena

34:58

by knowing what she's doing and being true to

35:01

what she's doing. There are great

35:03

writers and they're great singers and a

35:05

mixture of both but on

35:07

the grand final day, they've got it right many

35:10

times, got it wrong a few times but

35:12

you know, the Aya's fella are cursed if

35:14

they do and cursed if they don't. They

35:17

get a lot of criticism but it's

35:19

very difficult. It's five times the size

35:21

of a rugby ground or an... it's

35:24

a massive ground but it's in daylight.

35:28

But I think, I found myself,

35:30

it's really funny because we haven't

35:32

been that close over the years,

35:34

the AFL. They don't need to

35:36

be close to me. I've always

35:38

praised them on radio particularly for

35:41

doing the best that they could

35:43

possibly do. I don't

35:45

think they can do much more than what they've done. I

35:49

would thought the AFL

35:51

would be extremely grateful

35:54

for you kicking

35:56

the whole show off on the grand final

35:59

week and grand final. day surely or are

36:01

they a bit aloof and a

36:03

bit take you for granted? They

36:05

have new management now. Yeah.

36:07

But I'm fairly way down on

36:10

their list of priorities I think

36:12

and that's okay. It's okay. They

36:17

give me an adjustment every now

36:19

and again but it's called as

36:21

I said on ground entertainment not headliner

36:23

and that's how they see it.

36:26

It's a run down but I'm

36:28

really grateful for the exposure. Keeps

36:31

me in live jobs and you've seen me 3,000

36:33

times sitting there going, David

36:37

Park is another one. I reckon David

36:40

Park can see me more than anybody

36:42

else and he sits there attentively. That's

36:44

good. I caught him yawning once. So

36:48

the Olympics I don't think they're

36:50

with us for a while up

36:52

in Brisbane aren't they? They

36:55

haven't asked you just to put your thinking

36:57

cap on about trying to attract people to

36:59

come to Australia for the Olympics or that's

37:01

a bit of a generic sport isn't it?

37:04

No I always come up with an idea

37:06

and sometimes I try to sell it and sometimes

37:08

I don't. Sometimes it gets

37:10

pinched during the swimming process. You've

37:12

got to expose your

37:16

music to people and sometimes that influences

37:18

what they do. I might say plagiarise

37:20

this but influences what they

37:22

do particularly lines. Your lines in

37:24

songs sometimes come out as

37:26

I haven't raised a song. I played it to

37:28

the serious management of sports

37:31

and the line comes up in the next ad they

37:33

do but it might be a spoken line. Yeah I

37:37

see. You

37:39

come up with a good line and it

37:41

ends up somewhere else. Songwriters go through that

37:43

all the time. Don't get them to sign

37:46

a non-disclosure thing.

37:48

No you couldn't be bothered. I just put up

37:50

with it. A degree of trust in it I

37:52

suppose. It

37:56

still goes on a little bit. If people want to

37:58

dudger they will. That's right. and they can

38:01

and but I don't you know I've

38:03

flattered plagiarism.

38:06

Now I said at the start you

38:09

still I should notice you do the

38:11

radio. No no I did I thought

38:13

you probably didn't but you did a

38:15

stint on overnight

38:18

radio during the holiday. Oh on

38:20

Saturday night. Yes on Saturday night.

38:22

I thought you still listen

38:24

to your Saturday night. Yeah that's right you still

38:26

listen to it. You used to get

38:28

guests in and you used to play and you

38:31

did that for 18 years. 18

38:33

years every weekend. Don't tell me they gave you

38:35

the flick or you surely decided you wouldn't do

38:38

it. No they wanted change.

38:40

Move in another direction. Yeah that's

38:42

right. Yeah in another direction and

38:44

that was fine it was time

38:46

anyway I think there was no

38:48

malice at all

38:50

it wasn't that

38:52

successful. 18 years. 18 years.

38:55

I mean that's amazing. That's kept turning

38:57

up. Didn't you take talk back? Yeah.

39:01

Yeah. Six hour shift it was

39:03

mostly. I know. Long shift. From what I was.

39:06

From 6pm it was called Mike to midnight.

39:08

Yeah it was too. 6pm to midnight on

39:10

the 3AW I mentioned that night. That's

39:13

a hell of a stint isn't it. That

39:15

would give them. So when they did other people's

39:17

shows like in the afternoons and that's three hours

39:19

it was like a breeze. Yeah. Time

39:21

to go home. Lovely. And

39:24

where is home you live in the city or

39:26

are you down the coast somewhere? I live on

39:28

the west coast of Victoria. Love it down there.

39:31

I've got sight being on a boat without the

39:33

expense. Yeah. I look out the window I'm at

39:35

sea especially in storms. And I

39:37

don't want to ask you too much about your

39:39

personal life. Are you ensconced down there with a

39:42

man, woman or beast or are you just. A

39:44

cat. You have a cat. I was a george

39:46

cat. Yeah. I died about three months ago. Broke

39:48

my heart I have to say. I want to

39:50

suck. I was pretty sad I got really close

39:52

to this. I'm sad. He

39:55

used to talk to me. He was more oriental.

39:58

But now I've been by myself. I lived

40:00

by myself for many years. I have

40:02

friends who I stay with on occasion

40:04

in Melbourne who are

40:06

deep and friends,

40:10

close to them. You've got some kids, some

40:13

offspring, ears to the mortgage. The

40:15

oldest is 51, the youngest is 28. He's

40:20

doing very well. But they're all doing well in

40:22

what they do. I've got a daughter who lives

40:24

down there too. My

40:26

brothers live down that way. And

40:30

another son who's in the entertainment business

40:32

on the production side. So

40:34

they range from 28 to 51. I

40:37

often say that 51 is mentally older than

40:39

I am. He's far more sensible than I

40:42

am. But you'd understand that. I would understand

40:44

that. Well, that's just

40:46

an amazing journey just

40:48

from not one song,

40:51

but you're known for it. And

40:55

I'm known for being

40:59

infamous, you're known for being famous. No,

41:02

it's good. I think there's one thing

41:04

we might have missed, or might have this wrong, is

41:06

there a jingle for an insurance company

41:09

that goes something along the lines

41:11

of, Lucky, you're with Amy. Oh,

41:14

that's you, isn't it? Lucky, you're with Amy. That

41:17

was you? Yeah, I'm with you. Well, go on,

41:19

you. What about some, give us some, any other

41:21

ones we know. Oh, I did that. Oh,

41:24

I did that. Give us some. Oh,

41:26

interesting. Oh, yeah. Hard

41:29

yakka. Hard yakka. Hard yakka. That's an

41:31

anthemic as well. It's still around. Stupid

41:34

voices like, you know, do-do,

41:37

do-do, internet for nays. I

41:39

love mad voices. Dodo. Dodo,

41:42

yeah, that was Larry Kesselman. And

41:45

Larry Kesselman, that's exactly right. Yeah, runs

41:47

the basketball industry. Done other things for

41:49

him as well. Well, he

41:51

owns it, doesn't he? Yeah, he does. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

41:53

he does. Yeah, so

41:56

it was a... So you didn't dodo? It is,

41:58

yeah. I've always got to... Whereas

42:01

B C Bank beers means I used

42:03

as a fan till I want to

42:05

work for coupons and won't that I've

42:07

interviewed a pleasure side. Who am I

42:09

going on the his has somehow make

42:11

a living so spaghetti a hundred it

42:13

was human that that sell or what

42:16

else. oh well sales of of give

42:18

us a couple you can be the

42:20

single to be the soviets and things

42:22

like morning already in your out at

42:24

this time for a jew snow melts

42:26

as insects and up with the line

42:28

and that been with some very bad.

42:30

Other ways that was still has it's

42:32

a little bit rough wins don't know?

42:35

What was that for the milk for

42:37

just millions of fans tested and said

42:39

and of the Navy was I'm proud

42:42

of that month as I read. length

42:44

was you'll be which he'll be home

42:46

seat and fries and that the prize

42:48

of the fleet will be you and

42:50

of that as a method. Bought that

42:53

navy and lives and oh mercy successful

42:55

which I often say. says.

42:57

Something about the Israeli society because he says

42:59

go through with recruiting office of a window

43:01

I saw to be or went on sit

43:04

and frightens of the such the air sir

43:06

or madam so. Do. You.

43:09

Do. You get asked by those

43:11

companies like guess Seo Hijacker

43:13

that or do you think

43:16

I could write her. A

43:18

one line or a one verse song for

43:20

these web parody to these people and you

43:22

presented to them and say see that's good

43:25

for it does it which is comes first

43:27

that to it's the capcom before the horse

43:29

or what have as it has to get

43:31

to ride as I think of raise the

43:33

question because sometimes if they leave me to

43:36

my devices I come up with alliance the

43:38

becomes their positioning which is lucky or with

43:40

amy just and that how that can have

43:42

that was I've been away sailing and you

43:44

know bites and yet I had a bet

43:47

that in as those. Either by with the

43:49

skipper and I remember that both hated

43:51

the idea of a proper said cove. This

43:53

to speak school is solely motives of the

43:55

really. To. Score! Big sort

43:57

of. a file on come to It

44:00

was. It was too. We're

44:02

out in Bass Strait. What was it called? Birrilee

44:04

too. No, what is it called? Birrilee. Birrilee.

44:07

Spelled? B… No,

44:10

I remember seeing that boat… R…

44:13

A… H… L…

44:15

E… Was it Birrilee? Birrilee. I

44:18

had a few over there. I had Ocean Dreamer,

44:20

which was another one, another sailing boat, and all

44:22

poetic. So the most Birrilee in the indigenous

44:24

dialect has two different meanings. One can

44:26

be a lean-to and the other can

44:29

be a beautiful young woman. I think

44:31

it was named after the beautiful young

44:33

woman. I'd like to say that anyway.

44:36

But yeah, we were out in Bass Strait and

44:38

the spreader broke off the mast, probably out the

44:40

mast, and the skipper was an old man, a

44:42

wonderful man called Don Mickelborough. Great sailor. And

44:45

he got up and he said, anyone dead? I said no.

44:48

He said, anyone hurt? I said no. He

44:50

said, I'll clear it up and go back to bed. And

44:53

he said, cut off bad luck. I've never heard

44:55

that expression. It's around now. So a week later,

44:57

two weeks later, I got asked to do this

44:59

by their advertising agency. Have you

45:02

got a line or something to come up with? And

45:04

I said, oh well, why don't you

45:06

say… Oh, I read one of their claims and

45:08

said, like, when driving in an easterly direction,

45:10

a tree appeared from a westerly direction and remained

45:12

stationary. I said, do you pay claims like that

45:14

in those days that they said? They probably said,

45:17

I don't know. They said,

45:19

oh, yeah, we do. And I said, gee, they're lucky they're

45:21

in shore. We do then, aren't they? And

45:24

I said, what about saying, Amy, because you

45:26

can't help bad luck? My mate, Noel Dobridge,

45:28

who I wrote a few things with, said,

45:30

too long, too many words. And I said,

45:32

what about just lucky you're with Amy? That

45:34

is extraordinary. That's such a well-known… Is

45:37

it lucrative? Like, as they…

45:40

did you get just a set fee

45:42

for that or do they pay your

45:44

royalties? No, they wouldn't. That's another interesting

45:46

question. These days, I roll them over

45:48

for one or two years. So they

45:50

get a license for one or two years. In those days, we didn't

45:52

do it. And many

45:54

years later, I realized that I

45:56

owned a copyright and some of the biggest

45:59

corporations in Australia. of their

46:01

positioning line which they still used.

46:04

So I went back and they understood that,

46:06

they told me they'd lost it first but

46:08

then realised that I was right. So

46:11

we came to an arrangement where

46:13

they got another license which was

46:15

for perpetuity but I retained certain

46:17

elements of it so that I

46:20

could get that app and the

46:22

same performance signing it, payment, royalty,

46:24

every time I got paid. So

46:27

it adds up, it's sense here and there,

46:30

but it adds up over a year or ten

46:33

years. It's quite interesting,

46:35

you started off selling insurance and

46:37

then all those years like... You're

46:40

in the same product. Back to you. Did

46:42

you ever work with John Singleton? I

46:45

worked with his agency and I wrote I

46:48

Like It Like That, which was a big

46:50

campaign for Kentucky Fried. And there was another

46:52

one. You wrote that? Mojo. Alan

46:56

Morris came down and I said, look,

46:58

what about... We had a pile

47:01

of it on the table and I said, look, see,

47:04

it is tasty, it's oil cooked

47:06

in oil or whatever, but it is quite

47:08

good. I kind of like it like that.

47:12

It answers the objection and I learnt that

47:14

as a salesman. You'd answer their

47:16

objection. Would you like some life insurance? No, thank

47:18

you. No, I say I know why

47:20

you don't want life insurance and I'll tell you, but

47:23

you're wrong. So it's like that, you answered the objection

47:25

and that's where I'd like it. So they still use

47:27

that. That became

47:29

a strategy. It wasn't just

47:32

a line. So even now, they've got

47:34

a line... I

47:37

forget what it is, but it's in the background at the end

47:39

of most of their commercials. For KFC. For

47:41

KFC. It goes, I don't

47:43

care, I love it. Yeah, yeah.

47:45

I think there's an extension of that. I

47:47

didn't write that line. But it's quite like...

47:50

Well, I watch Fox. That... Lucky

47:56

you were with Amy comes up and drives me mad,

47:58

but I'll look at it with different... A

48:00

little bit of a different note

48:03

of respect now. The idea is you

48:05

can annoy the, be what

48:08

he says out of them, as long

48:10

as you find the thought in there.

48:12

And when they're in the market, which

48:15

in insurance is probably every 5-10 years,

48:17

they think of you in front of

48:19

mine. It's like, the Brian

48:21

Factor, we need a brand new company, which I didn't

48:23

do. People, everybody remembers

48:25

it. I

48:28

wouldn't buy a blind from that. I

48:31

bet you would. I bet you think of them though,

48:34

when you're buying a blind. I bet you come. Go

48:36

up to Google some other factory. Now,

48:39

I've been trying to think of things that

48:41

are wrong, what about, it's not your money

48:44

Ralph, you didn't write that. No, I didn't

48:46

write that, but that's a great line. But

48:48

then it became a bit thin because the banks

48:51

became a bit greasy. More

48:55

profit oriented. You didn't

48:57

write the Gog-a-mobile. G-O-G-I. I

49:01

heard you wouldn't have to write that, would you?

49:03

No, but Tommy Dyson, I worked with a lot.

49:06

He was great with his deal. What

49:09

a great actor too. G-O-G-G-O-G.

49:12

Oh, man. SVC

49:15

bank business. Oh look,

49:17

it's amazing. Lots of pretty songs.

49:21

Lots of pretty songs. I've

49:23

written them for basketball. I've written

49:25

them for all sorts of sports. Hockey,

49:27

ice hockey. Hockey

49:29

and that was called,

49:31

drive it up U-Ozzies or something.

49:34

I forget what it was. But

49:36

they get used and then they get discarded. And

49:40

sometimes they come back. You

49:42

did work with the coulda beans? A lot of

49:44

work with the coulda beans. They're

49:47

making a resurgence.

49:49

Didn't they in

49:52

this politically correct day and age, they're selling

49:54

the material. It was

49:56

not offensive but people said, oh you can't say that.

50:00

They're very talented, all

50:02

of them so far. They are a

50:04

big champion. Ian Cover, I mean they

50:06

were a benchmark. Tony

50:08

Leonard. Tony Leonard who was a big

50:11

part of their... He stayed behind when

50:13

they left one of the stations and went

50:15

to another. He did too. Brilliant. I

50:17

worked with Cover a few weeks ago and

50:19

he went into politics as you may remember.

50:21

And Greg, we've written songs together. I

50:24

co-wrote and produced with

50:26

him and that's what I

50:28

like about football. My only contribution to

50:31

that was... That's what

50:33

I like about football. Oh,

50:35

I didn't need a hook. That

50:43

was quite a big hit. Well now,

50:45

Mike Brady, this is just an

50:47

extraordinary... From a man

50:50

who was in a hostel at a

50:52

fisherman's bend. He's been doing sheet

50:54

metal work for the Australian Aircraft

50:57

Corporation. This is extraordinary. You

50:59

are synonymous with our great game. Whether

51:01

you like the game or not, it's

51:03

a great game. And

51:07

you are number

51:09

one person asked to any of those events

51:11

because of that region. And you get the

51:13

crowd involved and that's the main thing, isn't

51:15

it? To get someone who wants to be

51:18

there for you, not in spite of you.

51:20

Get to their heart. Yeah. Get

51:22

to their heart. Well, thank you very much,

51:24

Mike, for coming in and speaking to us.

51:27

And you cannot be serious. It's been really

51:29

lovely. I'm Watson. Congratulations

51:31

to you, mate, because you've done a great job. You've

51:34

reinvented yourself so many times.

51:36

And I love it. Especially being a mate. We

51:39

don't talk that much, but we do spend some time here.

51:42

Well, someone who's got no talent I've done

51:44

all right, but if someone who's got some

51:46

talent, you've been remarkable and used it beautifully.

51:48

So thank you very much. Thank you. Thank

51:51

you too. Thanks, guys. Thanks, mate. Bye.

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