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is Close. Divest. We

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will not stop. We will not

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rest. A pro-Palestinian student

0:46

movement makes its way to Canada,

0:49

raising awareness about what's happening in

0:51

Gaza, and also tension. And universities

0:53

say they've been put in a

0:55

tough spot. Welcome to your

0:57

world tonight on Sunday, April 28th.

0:59

I'm Stephanie Skenderis, also on the

1:01

podcast. I do think there will be a

1:03

period in the next few years where

1:06

we see a lot of family doctors' offices closing. Family

1:08

doctors in this country say tax changes have

1:11

them feeling the financial crunch, unable

1:13

to afford to fund their practices

1:15

and their retirements at a time

1:17

when it's already hard for patients

1:20

to find care. And... We

1:22

need monsters and we need to name them.

1:24

And we always have. Why

1:28

there's just so much apocalyptic content

1:30

out there right now. And

1:32

why that may not be a bad thing. An

1:42

encampment has popped up on the McGill

1:44

University campus in Montreal, emulating

1:46

the massive protest movement that's happening

1:49

across the United States. Students from

1:51

both McGill and Concordia are protesting

1:53

the war in Gaza, and they're

1:55

calling on their schools to cut

1:57

financial ties with Israel. It

2:00

has more. A.

2:03

Processor plays drums of the Mcgill

2:06

encampments. Around him are signs proclaiming

2:08

Free Gaza and all lies on

2:10

Rafa Inspired by students across campuses

2:13

in the U S, A few

2:15

dozen protesters from both Mcgill and

2:18

Concordia are calling for their universities

2:20

to divest from Israel Connected funds

2:22

among the protesters. Palestinians like mine

2:25

yet to rack up to university

2:27

you students money to fund a

2:29

genocide like. That's. What

2:31

I have no words for. Lab

2:33

I got the same. As syrup

2:36

cancers though, she's interrupted nine. it.

2:40

Wasn't open to different fiat money

2:42

we've had our and. Eight

2:45

days with by Mm. Flora Nazr He

2:47

says she came to campus today

2:49

as a Jewish person to see

2:51

what the protests is about. She doesn't

2:54

engage with the sinus which is basically

2:56

saying is that she doesn't want

2:58

to hear the other side says along

3:00

the lines. were losing the opportunity for

3:03

dialogue and.when he becomes dangerous. Concerns.

3:05

Are high, but not nearly as

3:07

high as on Us campuses. As

3:11

large. Numbers of students speak

3:13

out against the ongoing Israel

3:16

Hamas war. Universities responding in

3:18

different ways. Belief

3:21

calls. In hundreds arrested, many

3:23

charged with trespassing, others with

3:25

resisting arrest. Some

3:29

schools like Columbia in New York

3:31

City were protests first began. Closed

3:33

campus access to students and staff

3:35

only so hard to me is

3:37

is an associate professor at the

3:39

University of Maryland. She says the

3:41

protest movement has put universities in

3:43

top positions. Universities really have the

3:45

responsibility to strike this delicate balance

3:48

between giving it's own students the

3:50

space and the place to have

3:52

abuse of process and to make

3:54

sure that voices and censored. Or

3:56

heard and. Making sure that there is

3:58

no seats for the or. violence of

4:00

any sort. At McGill, there has

4:02

not yet been any intervention. The

4:05

university says it asked tense to

4:07

be removed, something protesters say they

4:09

won't do until the school meets

4:11

their demands. Meanwhile in Gaza,

4:14

a man with green spray paint writes

4:17

thank you students on a banner. Others

4:19

like this woman stand in solidarity. Us

4:21

Gazan students go through pain

4:24

and we suffer every single

4:26

day. And adding to

4:29

the suffering that we witness every single

4:31

day, we have to also work on

4:33

finding anything to continue our future.

4:36

And that's what we learn. And

4:39

while those in Gaza can't go

4:41

to school, others elsewhere use their

4:44

campuses to speak out. Sarah

4:46

Levitt, CBC News, Montreal. Now

4:49

diplomatic efforts are ramping up for

4:51

some sort of breakthrough in the

4:53

war between Israel and Hamas and

4:55

to address the humanitarian disaster in

4:58

Gaza. A delegation from Hamas

5:00

is heading to Cairo to discuss

5:02

possible terms for a new ceasefire

5:04

deal and hostage release. Meanwhile the

5:06

U.S. Secretary of State is heading

5:08

to Saudi Arabia to get regional

5:10

partners on board. Sasha Petrovic

5:12

reports. The

5:15

aid Gaza desperately needs is starting

5:17

to ramp up, even if reliable

5:19

figures about how much is making

5:21

it in are impossible to confirm.

5:24

More trucks arriving through a new

5:27

land crossing, preparations for a floating

5:29

pier to be installed by the

5:31

U.S. shortly. Israeli military

5:34

spokesman Daniel Hagari insists Israel is

5:36

meeting its commitment to Washington. In

5:38

the coming days, the amount of

5:41

aid going into Gaza will continue

5:43

to scale up even more. Food,

5:47

water, medical supplies, shelter

5:49

equipment and other aid. The White

5:52

House says President Joe Biden pressed

5:54

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on

5:57

This issue again in a phone call

5:59

today. Biden. Also got

6:01

a commitment that Israel would

6:03

not launcher ground incursion into

6:05

Rafa and the south of

6:08

Gaza without consulting with Washington

6:10

says National Security Advisor. John.

6:12

Kirby. We've had several staff talks

6:14

with them. We had to do

6:16

that more staver shortest that they

6:18

won't go into Rafa. That's critical

6:20

says the Pentagon Major General Patrick

6:22

Rider You have a narrow here

6:25

were over a million people displaced.

6:27

We don't support any type of

6:29

operation unless civilian safety is taken

6:31

into account for the U. S.

6:33

The best way to avoid a

6:35

rough for operation would be for

6:37

Israel and Hamas to come to

6:39

a deal on a ceasefire one

6:41

that would seats. Israeli hostages

6:43

released from Gaza. Hamas

6:46

delegation is on it's way to

6:48

Cairo for fresh talks Monday. Though

6:50

the two sides can't agree on

6:52

whether a ceasefire should be temporary

6:55

or permanent. Us

6:57

diplomacy is also making the rounds

6:59

of the Mideast with Secretary of

7:01

State and to the blankets in

7:03

Saudi Arabia today heading for Israel

7:05

on Tuesday trying to get a

7:07

ceasefire deal. Frank loans to use

7:09

an American Special Envoy for Mideast

7:11

peace of we some of the

7:13

pressure we're working to build. On

7:16

damn will help now. Get get

7:18

both sides over the line is

7:20

successful. Second, pause fighting. maybe even

7:22

stop it within weeks or months,

7:24

but it's not a permanent solution

7:26

says Saudi Foreign minister Prince Fi

7:28

Sol Been foreign. Who. Wants to

7:30

see more. A real commitment

7:33

to a two state solution that

7:35

is a credible, irreversible past. A

7:38

Palestinian state that's the only reasonable

7:40

and credible solutions that guarantees us

7:42

from not having to come back

7:45

to this is same situation Israel

7:47

has not agreed to even start

7:49

the discussion. Sasha. Petr

7:51

Cech Cbc News Washington. And

7:54

World's Central Kids and says it'll

7:56

be resuming operations and gas our

7:58

on Monday. The. Great organization had suspended

8:01

operations earlier this month after seven

8:03

of its workers were killed in

8:05

an Israeli airstrike. Organizers

8:08

say they'll be working with a Palestinian

8:10

team to deliver food in Gaza. The

8:13

Israel Defense Forces says it found serious

8:15

breaches of procedure led to the strike

8:17

and fired two senior officers. World

8:20

Central Kitchen is demanding an

8:22

independent investigation. Still

8:28

ahead on the podcast, Russian landmines

8:30

in Ukraine are killing and wounding

8:32

hundreds of people. But cleaning

8:34

them up is incredibly costly and

8:36

safety is still decades away. We'll

8:38

tell you how people there are coping and

8:41

about the work being done. It's coming

8:43

up. What do you want

8:45

from it?

8:51

The Biden administration has some new

8:54

rules for American gun sellers. In

8:56

the U.S., firearms can be sold at

8:59

gun shows or online without making the

9:01

buyer pass a background check. The

9:03

regulations, which take effect in May,

9:05

will close the so-called gun show

9:08

loophole. As Tony Waterman

9:10

tells us, it's taken decades of

9:12

political wrangling. Paden Johnson

9:14

is a second generation gun dealer.

9:16

Besides running a small shop called

9:18

Gun Boss outside of San Antonio,

9:22

he sets up tables at gun shows

9:24

across Texas. At 30 of

9:26

them a year. How many guns are you selling a year?

9:29

It depends on the year. With election coming up, it should

9:31

be pretty high. According to the

9:33

U.S. Justice Department, Paden is one of

9:35

more than 80,000 firearms dealers with

9:39

federal firearms licenses or

9:41

FFLs. That

9:44

requires him to run a background check on

9:46

gun buyers. But a new

9:48

federal rule change expands the definition of

9:50

who qualifies as a dealer to include

9:53

anyone who sells a gun for

9:55

a profit. It will

9:57

impact unlicensed dealers, closing a law.

10:00

loophole that has allowed without

10:02

background checks online.

10:06

We have so many p and

10:08

ask us, are you guys guys

10:10

do background checks ask that question.

10:12

This s coming

10:14

by. Paden says up checks,

10:18

he runs come back rule

10:21

change more than 20, will

10:25

also be required to keeping

10:28

guns, officials s dangerous

10:31

people. Conviction is

10:34

a criminal justice pro University

10:37

in Austin and that

10:40

have imposed these b It

10:42

looks like some prelim communities

10:46

are safer abou of

10:49

gun violence. But not organizer

10:53

Darwin. Vedeker to

10:56

address the underline not

11:00

one of these guns hav ran

11:02

down the street and s over

11:05

the gun show loophole 25

11:08

years to the Columbine Two

11:11

students killed 12 of one

11:14

teacher. Three of the used

11:17

in the rampage were a

11:20

friend without a backgrou Bill

11:24

Clinton urged lawma don't

11:27

do something about we're

11:29

going to continue t problems.

11:33

Since then, the bills

11:35

introduced to close But

11:38

those efforts have be Republicans

11:41

and organizat rifle

11:44

association. They l regulation

11:47

to in a statemen change

11:50

an attack on law ab and

11:54

says it is already wo One.

12:00

Thing that could work in their

12:03

favor is the conservative majority Us.

12:05

Supreme Court, which just two years

12:07

ago ruled that the constitution protects

12:10

a person's right to carry a

12:12

gun in public, opening a whole

12:14

new era of gun ownership in

12:17

America. Tony Water meant for Cbc

12:19

News Austin, Texas. Two

12:21

years into Russia's invasion of

12:23

Ukraine, about one third of

12:25

the country's landscape is now

12:28

dotted with land mines. The.

12:30

Explosive devices have already killed

12:32

at least four hundred people,

12:34

while more than one thousand

12:36

others have been seriously wounded.

12:38

As Briar Stewart reports, any

12:40

effort to clear away the

12:42

mines could take decades and

12:44

cost tens of billions of

12:46

dollars. Andre

12:49

Miller.he leans on his crutches as he

12:51

carefully walk down a road in the

12:54

village just of Hank Eight in Eastern

12:56

Ukraine. His left leg is in a

12:58

plaster cast that runs up to his

13:00

side. Zipper. This is

13:02

the first time he's been back to

13:05

his family's rule property since February when

13:07

he along with his father and has

13:09

his team to see if it was

13:11

possible to start preparing the field to

13:13

plant crops. They

13:15

didn't make a farce for the

13:17

explosives. Hasn't.

13:21

Driven was as of sorts of that is police

13:23

for me. I think of an ambulance. Would have

13:25

come quicker than it would have been possible. philippines

13:27

them he said. He pretty it

13:29

from there, but it was close. In

13:32

the hospital, the doctors said they would not have

13:34

been able to save me if I got there

13:36

for half an hour later. He.

13:39

Believes his family triggered a

13:41

tripwire detonating. A land mine as

13:44

he spoke to a freelance journalist working

13:46

to Cbc News at the site earlier

13:48

this month and nether land mine which

13:51

had already exploded was visible in the

13:53

grass along with the views of they

13:55

were left behind after the fight to

13:57

the Syria southeast of hearted. the

14:00

eventual retreat by Russian forces.

14:03

But what we're seeing in Ukraine really is on a

14:05

level that we haven't seen in

14:07

depth. Jasmine Dan is with the

14:10

Halo Trust, a humanitarian organization that's

14:12

been working to clear landmines in

14:14

Ukraine since 2015. She's Canadian but

14:17

currently based in Mykolaev in southern

14:19

Ukraine. Initially I think the Ukraine

14:22

conflict has also shown us really

14:24

widespread usage of landmines, something that

14:26

previously I think a lot

14:29

of people thought was going out of

14:31

practice within modern militaries. Unfortunately it's shown

14:33

that this is still something that's very prevalent.

14:36

While the Halo Trust is working

14:38

to clear Russian laid minefields, there

14:41

is evidence Ukraine has used landmines

14:43

in the conflict too. An investigation

14:45

by Human Rights Watch found that

14:48

it appeared Ukraine scattered thousands of

14:50

rocket-fired anti-personnel landmines in and around

14:52

the eastern city of Izhyn, while

14:55

it was occupied by Russia. The

14:57

mines which are often called petals

14:59

or butterfly mines are about 12

15:02

centimeters long and typically

15:04

green or brown in

15:07

color. It's that type

15:09

of mine that Lydia Barova believes

15:11

she stepped on last year while

15:13

mushroom picking. The 70-year-old bounds around

15:15

her garden showing off the tomatoes

15:18

and cucumbers she's growing but she

15:20

rolls up her pink track pants

15:22

to show her prosthetic limb. After

15:25

the blast her right leg

15:27

had to be amputated below

15:29

the knee. Only Russia is

15:31

to blame for the fact that they

15:33

have caused this destruction she said. It's

15:36

estimated it will cost tens of

15:38

billions of dollars to clean up

15:40

the landmines and other explosives that

15:42

contaminate a large swath of Ukraine.

15:45

That work could take decades which

15:47

means for civilians the risk will

15:49

remain long after the soldiers are

15:52

gone. Briar Stewart,

15:54

CBC News, London. is

16:00

observing Passover. There were

16:02

once a quarter million Jews in

16:05

Morocco. Now only a small fraction

16:07

remain after decades of emigration, mostly

16:09

to Israel. While the war in

16:11

Gaza has increased some tensions between

16:13

Morocco and Israel, there is still

16:16

a long-standing spirit of coexistence for

16:18

people living in the North African

16:20

nation. Freelance reporter Alexa Dvorson brings

16:22

us that story. Not

16:27

far from Jamal Fana, the ancient

16:29

marketplace of Marrakech, is the Melah,

16:31

the centuries-old Jewish quarter. That's

16:33

where Jackie Kadoch was born in the 1950s.

16:36

He'll immense the lack of Jewish visitors

16:38

to Morocco since October 7th and longs

16:40

for their return. Only one year ago,

16:42

we had here every Friday night more

16:44

than 300 people coming to have

16:47

a service. Now, finished. Now we are less

16:49

than 20. The synagogue where

16:51

Kadoch heads the city's Jewish community lies in

16:53

a part of town that was off-limits to

16:55

Jews during the French conquest. Because you know

16:57

the story that the French people came in

16:59

Morocco in 1912 and then... During

17:03

the Second World War, King Mohammed the

17:05

Fifth defied the Nazi-allied Vichy regime

17:07

of France and spared a quarter

17:09

million Moroccan Jews from deportation to the

17:12

death camps. Today, Kadoch praises

17:14

his grandson, the current king, for

17:16

maintaining formal ties with Israel despite

17:18

the war in Gaza. It's terrible,

17:21

but the king, God bless

17:23

him, never decided to close

17:25

the accord with Israel. This

17:27

makes me very happy. Kadoch

17:30

is referring to the Abraham Accords that

17:32

Morocco and three other Arab nations signed

17:34

with Israel nearly four years ago. Informal

17:37

ties between Morocco and Israel had

17:39

already been in place for decades. You

17:42

came through this gate. Then you have

17:44

Jewish quarter that we call Melah. In

17:46

Fez, Morocco's oldest city, Farid works in

17:48

the travel industry and doesn't want his

17:51

real name used. While Israel's war in

17:53

Gaza is deeply unpopular in Morocco, it's

17:55

too loaded a subject for some to

17:57

address openly. This is hurting everybody.

18:00

Community shouldn't hate each other because

18:02

of what happened. We deserve happiness,

18:05

not all. Henri Cohen, a

18:07

leading figure in Fez's Jewish community, looks

18:10

back fondly on the friendly atmosphere between Jews

18:12

and Muslims in his youth. It

18:15

was super-manifique. It was fantastic,

18:17

he says. We lived together, studied

18:19

together, we loved one another. He

18:21

adds that many of his Muslim friends learned Hebrew, and

18:24

they're still in touch with him today. He

18:26

has Palestinian friends too. That's one reason

18:28

why he refuses to take sides in the

18:30

war. But he does want to see

18:32

a Palestinian state. The night

18:34

of October 7, Cohen got two phone calls from

18:37

local authorities offering protection. But

18:42

he's never needed it. We are well-respected here,

18:44

he says. But he's one of barely 30

18:47

Jews remaining in Fez, down from 22,000 in

18:49

the 1960s, most

18:51

left for Israel in the decades after the state was founded,

18:54

including Cohen's parents and some of his

18:56

siblings. In

18:58

Fez's Jewish quarter, I meet Karim,

19:00

a 30-something local who, like Farid,

19:03

doesn't want his real name used either. But

19:05

he's eager to recount the close friendship

19:07

between his Muslim grandparents and their Jewish

19:09

neighbors as he shows people around. Jewish

19:12

people from Canada, Israel, America,

19:14

they asked me, I want

19:16

to see this house because

19:18

my mother was sleeping here

19:20

and my grandmother. Jewish

19:22

roots in Morocco date back more than two

19:24

millennia. In doing what he

19:27

loves, Karim helps revive a shared history

19:29

largely unknown outside this country. He's

19:31

deeply distressed by events just two time

19:34

zones away. I don't like Palestinian killing

19:36

the Jew or the Jewish killing the

19:38

Palestinian. I have no stone in my

19:40

heart. I want

19:42

to see peace in this world. We

19:44

have to live together because we are

19:47

human, madam. Alexa D'Aworsen,

19:49

CBC News, Fez, Morocco.

20:06

These days it can feel like

20:08

everything is bad or negative

20:10

or hard. And if you're a

20:13

keen watcher of movies and

20:15

Tv, you may have noticed that

20:17

reflected back fictional stories of

20:19

world ending diseases, countries torn apart

20:22

by war or robots rebelling

20:24

against their human masters you like

20:26

last and or look into

20:28

why Armageddon is all the rage.

20:31

tactically every year to

20:34

get. On

20:38

the small and the big

20:40

screen, Ccc flows will. certainly

20:43

Jos audiences can't get enough

20:45

of Apocalyptic Scenario. A

20:48

class is so near own. Moses,

20:50

things ever gotten the hell of a

20:52

lot better since the first season of

20:54

or show on the so We're All

20:56

Going To Die Canadian actor an executive

20:59

producer Jay Baruchel conference anxieties exploring everything

21:01

from killer bugs to out of control

21:03

A I like I don't have heroic

21:05

a news junkie with a pass for

21:07

five years have been quite to a

21:10

colorful and eventually he could be like

21:12

how. Can we

21:14

create a super viruses word he

21:16

says? This kind of entertainment helps

21:18

us confront. Our fears. We need

21:21

monsters and we need to name

21:23

them. and we always have. I.

21:26

Think. We kind of like to swim in

21:28

that dark space. I think that humans, naturally

21:30

we do. legally. We do. Like. Dark Things

21:32

and Civil War is a new movie about

21:35

a shattered America at war. It was number

21:37

one at the box office for two weeks

21:39

in a row. No surprise to film critic

21:41

Rachel. Whoa, We're living. In a device

21:44

of times especially our friends don't

21:46

censor their plate since I think

21:48

of the password for probably so

21:50

it makes sense that our entertainment

21:52

is reflecting. That reality. Chris Begley

21:54

is the author of The Next Apocalypse,

21:57

The Art and Science of Survival. He

21:59

says. Michael Vick scenarios are on

22:01

the rise for good reason. It really

22:04

is like resetting everything. you're getting rid

22:06

of the baggage your you're able to

22:08

start a new. or perhaps you're able

22:10

to have this. This

22:13

ideal. Future. That mirrors

22:16

in some ways the things you wish

22:18

would happen. As for J. Barrichello,

22:20

after staring into the abyss, he's come

22:22

to some surprising conclusions. Made me more

22:25

of an optimist. We are prone to

22:27

less diseases, we are more literate. We

22:29

kill each other less than we ever

22:31

have. which is crazy considering what I

22:34

like. Garbage fired is out there. right

22:36

leg. So as shitty.

22:38

As it is and anecdotally especially it

22:40

is very shitty. This is the word,

22:42

the the the best it's ever been.

22:45

A silver lining to our apocalyptic

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obsessions. He. Like us to

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Cbc News Toronto. Know. Mona

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made it known that the city of

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his own of were. Zola,

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That still loves. Could that singer

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jump here for long as he

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made more than thirty albums. Was

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named a Companion of the Order

23:05

of Canada and nice of the

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National Order of to Back. He's

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in the Canadian Song Writers Hall

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of Fame and to days is

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being remembered as a giant of

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francophone music for Lot has died

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at the age of eighty nine

23:20

of natural causes after being hospitalized

23:22

earlier this year. According to his

23:24

agent, he leaves behind songs like

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this says signature. Saw.

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Themselves, Consol became a Qu

23:34

Bec music classic a brought

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nearly twenty artists together during.

23:38

Twenty twenties Isolation. Last.

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And was performed alongside Singing

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Deal. Her

24:01

life career began in broadcasting, working

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as a clerk for Radio Canada in the

24:05

late 1950s, decades

24:07

later, hosting two shows. But

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music was constant. His biggest

24:12

album, his magnum otheus, some

24:14

have said, was 1970s Jung. It

24:21

was as good as the Beatles. But it

24:23

was in French.

24:25

It was Quebecois. It was ours.

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He's offered a state funeral, if Frelant's

24:38

family wishes. We'll leave you with some

24:40

more from Jean-Pierre Frelant on your world

24:43

tonight. I'm Stephanie Skenderis.

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Thanks for listening. For

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more CBC podcasts, go to cbc.ca.