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Show. We're

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rolling. Yeah.

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I love you. Clapping. Zach

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Sang. Guys,

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can we finally talk about, I mean,

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I just, I know that this is how we started the last one,

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but I might have to start this one like it too. I used

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to tell you suck a dick, Zach Sang, in hopes

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and pray that you would. And

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you do it now. I did. I

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did. I'm so happy for you.

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Thank you so much. I'm so proud. It's

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a big deal. It's a big deal. It's my

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first real relationship and like first

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love and probably my last love,

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God willing. No. Yeah. I mean, yeah,

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absolutely. I thought of that at a time. I

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got scared. No, you meant. I was like, is

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this, are you guys jumping together? What is it?

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No. Yeah. At last. First and last. I hope

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so. I really, really. Oh my gosh. I

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mean, that's so beautiful. That's special.

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I'm really happy for you. It's really, I mean,

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it's like, uh, yeah, love is wild.

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Like, yeah, watching friends experience it

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and navigate it. And so

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many times yeah It's

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true. Yeah, but I learned a lot

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from every human being who is going

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through love I didn't learn much love

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from my parents just being honest like and my parents

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can watch this and be angry at me for it

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but like It was just

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differently the example of love I got at home was Just

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different it was different. It's it's

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it's interesting, you know Happiness

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hits different in this year. Yeah,

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and I think moving forward and a

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lot of it I think has to

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do with who I choose to live with and share my

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life with and Take on this

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fucking journey with I think so too,

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but also because you yourself

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We're ready for it. So don't not give yourself credit,

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please. No, you're a hundred percent right? Yeah, you

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you you can't take on You're

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a different person. I am

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say yeah, thanks and you know

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me. Yeah, it makes my heart really Liz

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and I talk about it We

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do We're very proud of our

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little fun. Thank you so much We

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love you it is your mommy's love you.

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Thank you. Thanks mom. Thanks mom I

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went through like a whole like the year period where

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I just exclusively called you mom. Yeah, I do

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that We are that's what we are That's

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our most important role You

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know, it's so funny this morning. I was thinking about Liz as

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like an Italian mother She's recently given

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Italian mother more than ever more

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than ever but she's given it since she was 12

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totally But now it's oozing out of her

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100. Well, I mean it's like among

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us. It's coming. It's right here Sorry

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fuck sorry No, it's

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not but also like it's

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that it's you know to me and she treats all

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of her friends like children She treats what she

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has for a while. She's always I

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mean she treats like her very old friends like

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kids. She's very maternal but is not

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pregnant at all Everyone just to make it extra

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clear. Yeah, no Um, thank you

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for for for acknowledging though that love because it's been

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like this weird thing in my life life that I don't

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know like in my relationship world like been stumped

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in a little bit. I've seen him. I've seen

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it. We've seen each other's. Oh my

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God. We've both seen a lot of each other. We've both

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helped each other through so much. I mean, I remember

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I called you the first night. I thought I was going

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to lose my virginity. Mm hmm. Oh my God. This was

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like five years ago. No longer. I mean longer than

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that. Seven. Yeah. Could be no

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could be nine. Whoa. Yeah. I've known

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you 15 years. Oh my God. I was

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so long ago and it was to a

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girl. Yeah.

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And then didn't you walk in and she was like

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fucking your brother or something. I'm kidding. You might sit

4:33

in the room. I'm kidding. You're close. It was

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crazy. I literally was like, oh yeah, I'm definitely gonna like,

4:38

oh, I've had this crush on this girl. She's totally giving

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me five. Nightmare. That is deeply traumatic.

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I go to deliver her a cup of

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water. A cup of water. And

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I just see. Of water? Her on

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top of this other guy and I dropped the cup and

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I just walked away. Yeah. That is so traumatic.

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Yeah. I can say. Yeah. I

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hope you can forget it. Eternal

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Sunshine. That'll be one that

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we erase. Doctor, hook

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him up. Work on me.

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Yeah. Leave an album to go

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through. Yes. And an album of

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Eternal Sunshine. Yeah. What

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was the hardest song to write and

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what was the easiest song to write on this album? Oh

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God. I... hardest?

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I think so. Honestly, it's

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a very simple and silly

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lyric and it's not. But

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it was hard for the

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reason that I desperately didn't want

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it to sound like fuck you.

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I wanted it to sound like I need to leave so

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bye. You know, like I wanted

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it to be kind of rooted in self-awareness and

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like not fuck

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you, you go. But with

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love, I'm emigrating from the situation.

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That's why I put it after

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the intro, End of the World. because

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it asks a question that sort of

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takes accountability and is self-aware and then

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going into buy is like prefacing

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it. Because I think

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my biggest fear when

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it comes to songwriting

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in general is just

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kind of even if

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the concept is strong and even if empowerment

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is important. And I want to empower people

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making sure that it is kind and that it

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leads with empathy and that it has that. It's

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still fun, but it's like I just wanted

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to make sure it wasn't like any sort

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of harshness that isn't in my DNA. But

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also beautifully aware. And I think, dude, it's

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not the first time that I've been hostage

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to these tears, acknowledging

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that another relationship is over again.

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I mean, that is awareness. Yeah.

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Yeah. This song, and

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I hope that this is

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OK to say. I might go on a little

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bit of a deep dive. And I hope that it's all right

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to say. Is it

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OK if I talk about my mom a lot? She's

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here in the corner listening. But is it OK? OK.

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Are you sure? I might air your shit

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out a little. I

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got sick of air. She's wearing a

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purple lip today. She's fine. OK, OK. But

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no, I think the

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reason why I felt OK to go

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there is because of my mom, honestly.

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And whoa. Sorry.

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Almost there. Almost there. OK. I

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think a lot of, I think

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growing up, you want what you

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don't have. My

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parents got divorced for all the right reasons.

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They weren't supposed to be together. And

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you kind of crave when you grow

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up. the

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happily ever after. The one is the one is

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the one. So you ignore all these issues and you

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kind of you

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cling on to that fairy tale. You kind

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of self abandon. And

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I think my mom is a

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fierce example of not doing that

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and a

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massive thing that I learned in my

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year of Saturn return is that

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my fears of replicating

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a certain cycle was

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actually the opposite. I was

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like, oh wow, I want

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to be so much more like her than I am.

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I want to have

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the strength to say bye kindly

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when something isn't fucking

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right. It's as simple as that

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and she's the strongest most brilliant person I know

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and it's also a disco track,

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which is my mom's favorite thing in the

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world. So it kind

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of feels like my mom's song or like something

9:03

that I wrote from my mom's perspective almost because

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that's something that I I watched her do a

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few times and Yeah,

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that's kind of like I want to my

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mom do the same thing. Yeah, and there's strength and goodbye.

9:16

Yeah We need it's

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hard to it's it's hard. Especially

9:20

when the most is invested. Yes, especially

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when you do have so much love you

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know so yeah, that's a

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kind of a pattern that I realized

9:29

I don't need to be afraid of because It

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means doing the right thing. It means listening to

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your soul

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and not being afraid to be

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uncomfortable You want to break up

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again follows by and there

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are coupled again Like these songs are connected so

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when you listen the best way to listen is

9:50

in totality and I believe so I

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believe so. I prefer it that way and then when you

9:55

have your favorites once you listen, you know, you can do

9:57

it Oh, yeah, but yeah, they are coupled in an interesting

9:59

way is kind of like don't want to break up again

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is kind of like the hangover of bye

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in a way okay that

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this has happened but

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I'm reflecting and there are

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so many polarizing feelings that we

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experience as human beings kind of

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with regard to one situation and that's what

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I like about these

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two being back-to-back because in bye I say at least

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we know we tried didn't we the two of us

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we did good and then in don't

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want to break up again it's like well you didn't even

10:29

try till the end you did it like but both

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feelings exist at different you know what I

10:34

mean but I like the humanness of that

10:36

I like that they are layered

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and complicated and all of the different

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emotions that come with loving and leaving

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are kind of showcased I guess

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easy it's a process right

10:48

like it's not a

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just a one-and-done situation it is something

10:55

that is felt and experienced

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and it's over

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time so yeah a song I don't

11:02

want to break you up again and then

11:05

by how long or how many different versions of

11:07

those songs exist before you got the version that

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we hear today I

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think there are a few of by and I

11:17

think there's one of don't break up again what

11:20

are the biggest differences between them is it lyrical

11:22

differences yeah I think by

11:26

I wrote on a day when I was very upset

11:28

and emotional so it was a little bit more

11:33

reactive and I and

11:35

it just wasn't representative of like how I

11:37

actually feel so I like

11:40

filtered it through and I combed through a bunch of

11:42

times and it was important to me to make sure

11:44

that it wasn't just like that

11:47

for that exact reason because I was like important

11:50

to me that yeah but there's

11:52

something to capturing that song in the heat of

11:54

the moment right yeah absolutely any song in the

11:56

heat of the moment and that's where honestly

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that's where max is so so I

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mean he's the most brilliant producer in

12:02

the entire world and like the

12:04

greatest guy Yeah, dad and the

12:06

best person the best human being on the planet, but

12:09

as a friend He's

12:11

like a friend to me on a personal level But

12:14

also on an artist level like he will make sure

12:16

that I don't Water

12:19

down my truth too much or that I don't

12:21

like make things Too

12:24

custom to how others will you know what

12:26

I mean? Like he's just he's very protective

12:28

of me as a human first and foremost,

12:30

but then also Secondary

12:32

to that he's very protective of the body of

12:34

work. How do you know? He was

12:36

the right person to bring this story to? Oh

12:38

my gosh, I mean he's Max Martin, but also

12:40

just how he makes me feel knows you yeah,

12:42

he knows me so well and he I

12:47

Don't know we really we push each other in such

12:49

a beautiful way. That is like we're

12:51

both so supportive

12:53

of one another and excited I

12:57

don't know. It's just beautiful. We're both like

12:59

like I'm such a happy student to

13:01

be in the room with him You know I'm just so grateful to

13:03

be in his presence. We'll just sit there together

13:05

and kind of just It

13:07

happens very quickly sometimes that was the thing that

13:10

we did That

13:13

was really productive this album was if it wasn't

13:15

there We will kind of jump

13:17

around go to a different idea and see if

13:19

it was there And then if

13:21

it wasn't we'd come back to it and bounce around

13:23

but everything just poured out so

13:27

You know Yeah,

13:29

I don't know it was it was very interesting once the melodies

13:31

were there Maybe he would

13:34

go work on a different Track

13:36

or something and then come back and check on me, and I'd

13:38

be there with my laptop Skilling

13:40

away, and then you know it was

13:42

just it was very Intimate

13:45

it was very intimate. We get a little of us

13:47

for most of it. Yeah, just really you him

13:49

and Ilya, right? Yeah, I came for the very

13:51

last trip, and it was so much fun and

13:54

The kini goosebumps yeah

13:56

Ilya and Shintaro had been sending

13:59

us beats.

14:02

They were kind of like virtually there with us,

14:04

but in the room it was mostly just me

14:06

and Max for most of the time. And Chintaro

14:08

who comes from physicians. And Max would calm and

14:11

FaceTime and check on me and whatever, but he

14:13

was here for a week in September, a week

14:16

in October and a week in November. And in between

14:18

I was coming every day on my own. So it

14:20

was really vulnerable. It was really naked. It was really

14:22

fun. Another memory that I'll

14:24

keep with me forever is when I walk into the studio

14:26

to hear this album, you are

14:28

sitting behind this ginormous

14:30

monitor and there's this like

14:33

a thousand audio files in front of you and

14:35

you're just finishing the last song on the

14:37

album. You're literally doing it all yourself. Yeah.

14:40

Well, not all, but that's

14:42

very kind, but I do like to... There's

14:44

a real hand in this process. Yeah,

14:46

yeah, yeah. But I also had the privilege

14:48

of working with the most incredible producers in

14:50

the entire world. What do you learn from

14:52

him? So blessed. What? What do you learn

14:55

from him? That's made you a better producer and

14:57

artist. Just to be

14:59

who he is and be so

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curious and so hungry still, there

15:03

are so many codes left to

15:05

crack in his opinion. It's really

15:07

crazy. Like he is one

15:10

of one and his generosity,

15:12

his curiosity, it's like when

15:14

you spend time with him, you learn very quickly why

15:16

he is who he is. He has no idea that

15:19

he's Max Martin. And it's the most... It's

15:21

my favorite thing in the world because it's

15:24

the thing that he lives for.

15:26

He loved it so much.

15:29

We spent so many long,

15:32

long, long days working on this album together,

15:34

just he and I. And it's

15:38

just such an honor to get to know

15:40

him in that way. And also even become

15:42

closer as friends after 12

15:45

years of knowing each other, this is like the most

15:47

time we've spent together. We went to shows, we went

15:49

to like little dinners, we would

15:51

walk to work every day in the morning. We

15:54

walked the high line. Oh, that's so sweet. Yeah,

15:56

all the way. Like it was so much fun.

15:58

We walked together every single day. say. The

16:01

work moments make their way into the body of

16:03

work. Yeah. Oh, I'm glad. It's you

16:08

do have a relationship with him. That's unlike. I mean,

16:11

anything I've ever seen with a pretty, I

16:13

mean, like any artist, it's really special. He's

16:15

incredible. And the way he he treats

16:17

people is the most important thing.

16:20

Like he could be who he is. And be

16:22

sorry, ignore him. Oh, thanks.

16:24

He could

16:27

be who he

16:30

is. And be any type of way. He

16:34

could be like other

16:40

people like he could be you know, you

16:42

never know. And he's

16:45

just the best human being. And he's the most incredible

16:47

producer in the world. And curiosity is

16:49

always my case. Like curiosity

16:51

is so on

16:53

the nose as a way to describe him because yeah, I haven't

16:56

spent much time with the man at all. Most

16:59

of my stuff with him was we went to Disneyland together. Oh my

17:02

god, that's the best story. It's

17:05

really a lot. It is a lot. But

17:08

he just asked a ton of

17:10

questions and was really fascinated with

17:12

everything. Yeah, the business of Disney

17:14

incredibly curious but also beautiful soul.

17:16

Yeah, I'm like a really special

17:19

person. Yeah. And it's so crazy

17:21

like the best. Yeah. But there's something

17:23

to that humility that allows him to

17:26

be the best creator in the world. Exactly. He's

17:29

so brilliant,

17:31

because there's no ego in it

17:34

for him. Does that make sense? 100%

17:36

you're allowed to grow and learn so much more

17:38

when you're not obsessed

17:40

with optics

17:42

and being right. Yeah, accolades.

17:44

He's just curious. Yeah, he's

17:47

just brilliant. That's really that

17:49

being said, what does going number one

17:52

mean to you? Oh my god, that

17:54

is an accolade. That's a

17:56

feat. That's the first time done this year going direct to

17:58

number one having a number one debut. Yeah, I

18:00

mean, it's like such

18:03

an incredible honor. And my fans

18:06

are to thank, and they are

18:08

the most incredible people in

18:10

the entire world. And I'm just like, I'm

18:13

so grateful. I try not to put too much weight in

18:15

those things. We've talked about that a lot. But

18:18

when it happens, it's really special. And I

18:20

like will always celebrate it

18:22

when it does happen, even though it's like

18:24

not of course at all what

18:27

matters. But

18:31

it's special and I just am grateful

18:33

because it also just speaks to how many people

18:37

it resonated with Yes End, and

18:40

also to just my fans and how

18:42

incredible they are. It's because of them.

18:44

And also I'm glad because then now

18:46

they have that and that matters a

18:48

lot to them. Why

18:50

was Yes End the right first single

18:52

to introduce this entire story? I

18:57

think Yes End is the one that lives on its

18:59

own. And I also think it

19:01

just kind of sets the tone by saying everyone

19:04

has shit going on that

19:06

you don't know about. And you know that

19:10

too. You know? Totally.

19:14

So just, shh. Does that make sense? And

19:17

the proper tone for this album. Yeah, it's

19:19

really funny because that

19:22

is the message of the song. And then people

19:26

share things on Instagram like inspirational quotes that

19:28

are like, you never know, don't judge a

19:31

book by the cover. And you know, it's

19:33

just such a funny duality with the internet.

19:35

How people can be so toxic

19:38

positive. And then the next tweet is the meanest

19:41

thing I've ever read in my entire life or

19:43

the next whatever it is. It's funny, it's a

19:45

funny time. So I think Yes End is the

19:47

right thing to just say, hey, we're all experiencing

19:49

the same kind of journey in a different way,

19:51

on a different level, on a different this. And

19:54

I liked it because it's

19:56

also just expressing a whole bunch of feelings that I've

19:58

had for the past. forever

20:01

of my career. There's always been a

20:03

conversation about my body, my

20:05

face, my hair, my voice, my everything.

20:07

And it's like, if

20:10

you change it and correct it, then it's wrong

20:12

again for different reasons. It's like, all

20:15

right, it's

20:17

done. It's done. I'm just

20:20

gonna be. That's all you can do.

20:22

I'm just gonna be because I fucking love being. I

20:25

love it. Just be. And I want everyone

20:27

to feel that way as well. Oh,

20:30

resonates with literally everybody. Bless

20:32

and release. And yeah, shimmy.

20:37

Well, I was more I carry the right person to remix

20:39

the song or feature it. Oh my

20:42

God. Because she's the queen of

20:44

my life. The reason

20:46

I sing. Is that true? Absolutely.

20:49

She's my number one vocal

20:51

inspiration. Obviously. She's mother. That is

20:53

mother. That's real mother. I

20:56

remember I'm pretty sure I had a CD,

20:59

a physical CD of Ariana Grande covers. In

21:01

Notion. And Emotions was one of

21:04

them. One hundred percent. Diamonds

21:06

was another one. But we're only here in the

21:08

world. Shut up. Oh my God. I

21:10

remember this fucking, yeah, Joe knows. Yeah, I remember

21:12

this fucking CD. No, but I mean, it's

21:14

like. I bumped it. It's almost, it's

21:16

like the dream come true. If you're

21:18

gonna have anybody do a remix.

21:21

Crazy. It should be

21:23

the queen of a remixes

21:26

and of 90s music

21:28

and of all music, but also

21:31

of my life, like queen of my life.

21:33

I love it so much. She's so good.

21:35

It elevated it so much. She's the queen.

21:38

When did you write her verse? I didn't. She did. What?

21:41

I was like, please, if it's not too much to ask,

21:43

just go do whatever the fuck you want. I

21:45

think she did the intro, like all

21:47

the high whistles in the intro. She

21:50

did the pre harmony. She did the hook. She doubled the hook. I

21:53

was like, Serbin, can you please make

21:55

her vocals louder than anything else in the

21:57

song? I want to only hear the harmony.

22:01

I want to only hear her ad libs. I

22:03

want to be in the background as quiet as humanly possible.

22:05

It's my heaven She's the whole bridge

22:07

all these ad libs. Oh my god.

22:09

I'm it's just so surreal. What an

22:11

honor my god That's really special.

22:13

It's so special And I feel

22:15

like a song that I don't know.

22:17

I mean everybody resonates with everybody but Also,

22:20

yeah to have someone who oh My

22:24

gosh has probably felt this way in

22:26

her career. I I

22:29

would imagine so many times,

22:32

you know the Queen of just kind

22:34

of Rising

22:36

above it all and to have

22:38

her grace it. Oh my god Can

22:41

you genuinely tell me what it's like to

22:43

have respect from people you have idolized in

22:45

this lifetime because it's not it doesn't stop

22:48

with Mariah Carey like and

22:50

it's not the first time you've worked with Mariah Carey

22:52

like it Kristin Chenoweth being

22:54

another just on top of mine good

22:56

Aretha Franklin when she graced this planet

22:59

There's so many incredible artists that

23:01

show you respect and appreciation. That's It's

23:04

something we never talk about because again, it's

23:06

like our relationship is mostly rooted in human.

23:08

Ari. Yeah, but it's Is

23:12

that validation is it what is it it's Validation

23:18

it's it's surreal. It's like

23:22

It doesn't compute like I can't

23:24

really hold it all it's

23:26

very surreal And

23:30

it's just like I don't

23:32

know I'm very grateful very grateful for

23:34

so many of my idols and

23:37

inspirations to Embrace

23:39

me or to have embraced me

23:42

the way that they have and it

23:44

just feels Very surreal.

23:46

I don't know real recognizes real

23:50

The great has the ability to

23:52

recognize that in somebody else like

23:56

Yeah, it's crazy. It's a real

23:58

it is probably A remix of Yes,

24:01

Ham and Mariah Carey came around. Crazy. That's

24:03

wild. Okay, back to the album.

24:05

Saturn Returns is really what's next on my list. Because

24:08

it goes into the world where you're questioning

24:10

things, into buy, into don't want to break

24:12

up again. And then there's this

24:15

change, this shift, sonically too, to

24:17

a certain degree. But there's still disco elements

24:19

that come through the rest of the album. Why

24:21

was that moment the right place for an interlude,

24:24

a shift? For an

24:27

interlude? Yeah, because that's

24:29

what Saturn Returns really is. Yeah, it's a

24:31

really tiny interlude. But I

24:34

think it just sort of... Saturn

24:38

Eternal Sunshine feels like a wake up moment,

24:40

sort of like a pivotal moment in

24:42

the story. And

24:45

the Saturn Returns coming right before it, just kind of with the

24:47

wake up that tells you to wake up... I

24:49

don't know. It just felt like setting

24:52

up the rest of the album in a way. I

24:55

don't know. Who is speaking? Diana

24:58

Garland. She is

25:00

an astrologist. My dear friend Will

25:03

Loftus, who choreographed Yes And, who

25:06

I met on Wicked. He's one

25:08

of the associate choreographers. When

25:10

we met, it was like the most cosmic

25:13

collision. And he

25:16

sent me that vocal that

25:18

he like chopped and put

25:20

together. And he was like, this made me think of you. And

25:24

then Ilya put orchestrations

25:27

under it. And I

25:29

was like, this is... I hope it's okay that

25:31

this is going on my album. And he was like crying.

25:34

What is astrology? And I was crying too. The

25:36

role of astrology in your life has meaning,

25:38

right? Yeah, for

25:40

sure. I mean, even

25:42

tarot cards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gave me a

25:44

reading. You've been doing readings on set. Yeah,

25:46

yeah, yeah. What

25:49

do you look to astrology for? Is

25:51

it understanding of what you're going through? Is

25:53

it an understanding of

25:55

what will be? Yeah, I think

25:57

it's kind of a tool to have...

26:00

help us hear

26:02

what we need to hear sometimes and kind of

26:05

look forward

26:07

with hope and awareness

26:10

and also reads

26:13

us for filth sometimes. Sometimes we need to hear

26:15

it and just looking to something

26:17

bigger than us to kind

26:19

of help us make sense of it. Does that make sense?

26:21

Totally. By the way, if you don't know what it is, and

26:23

we explained it in part one. I'm

26:25

sipping a hidden coffee. Go on. Go

26:27

ahead. It is when you're born Saturn's

26:30

in a certain position and it takes

26:32

29 and a half years for Saturn to return

26:34

to that position. And when it

26:37

returns to that position, you are

26:39

faced with deep awareness of oneself and

26:42

a confronting of patterns, correct? Yes.

26:47

And a wake up. Course correction, one would

26:49

say. Course correction. When

26:53

you think, when do you know for certain that it's the

26:55

title of the album? Well,

26:57

I kind of I've always loved that movie

26:59

since I was a little girl. I

27:02

am a huge Jim Carrey fan.

27:05

I always have been. And I

27:09

was always

27:11

sort of attracted to the idea

27:13

of writing a song around that. But I think

27:16

once I realized that the rest of the songs were

27:18

kind of forming

27:21

a story that felt kind of

27:23

similar to Eternal Sunshine, where there's

27:26

sort of this cycle that everyone's

27:28

trying to break. I

27:30

kind of just fell into

27:32

place. Do you believe in that?

27:34

Like, is there something to when

27:36

you're making music, just letting

27:39

go to the universe and or wherever your

27:41

brain will go and just

27:43

seeing what happens? Because we have

27:46

like artists come on the show and like there's

27:48

a few different schools of thought. But like one

27:50

artist may say, like, I write 100 songs and

27:52

that's how I become a good songwriter. And then

27:54

Chris Martin comes on a bunch of times and

27:56

preaches about how the universe gave him Viva Levita

27:58

and he just like opens himself up. and

28:00

it just beams from the fucking sky. I

28:02

love that. Is there an in-between anywhere where like,

28:05

crafts and universe? Yeah,

28:07

yeah, yeah. I'm somewhere in between. I've

28:10

learned, I don't know, I sit

28:12

somewhere between being a

28:14

literal witch, literal witch, I'm

28:16

not kidding, and being

28:18

like, the most realistic

28:23

cut, dry, like, you know?

28:26

Yeah, totally. I don't know. I feel

28:28

like I'm my

28:30

most productive when I am

28:32

open, and also when

28:34

I pretend no one's ever

28:36

going to hear it. That's when I'm

28:38

my best, I think. At what point

28:41

in the process do you have to be reminded that people will

28:43

hear it? When it's over. Got it. I'm

28:46

going to backtrack many steps, and I clean things up, and

28:48

I figure it out. Just kidding. Supernatural.

28:51

Mm-hmm. This

28:54

song really, there's two

28:56

songs I feel the most understood by on this album. Mm-hmm.

28:59

It is supernatural. The horniest one? I mean

29:02

a little bit, yeah. That's what you feel? Very

29:04

much connected to my current life. Really?

29:06

Like, you need so connected. That's

29:09

so funny. You're like the one I

29:11

align with the most. Really? The

29:14

what about? That's sweet. Alignment. I am so

29:16

happy for you. Yeah. Yeah.

29:20

Yeah. Thank you, Aria. Thank you, thank you,

29:22

thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Do you

29:24

believe that the

29:26

right love is actually supernatural? What

29:29

the fuck are you talking about? That's where I'm at right now

29:31

in life. That's beautiful. Thanks.

29:34

I love that. Thank you. It's

29:36

really special. Yay. It is a

29:38

special place. What was the last song

29:40

you wrote for the album? In Perfect For You, which

29:43

is my favorite. Why is it your favorite? I

29:45

love it so much. I love it so much.

29:48

I don't know why it's my favorite.

29:50

I think sonically it's my favorite. It's very different for me.

29:52

It's very trippy, rubber-sole vibes. And

29:55

that is kind of my favorite. my

30:00

favorite music to listen to,

30:02

and I don't think I've ever really

30:04

explored it for myself, but it

30:07

just felt really fun to

30:11

lean into it and make something like

30:14

super trippy, 60s, organic feeling,

30:16

you know, just capturing that

30:18

kind of thing. There's

30:20

something special about being

30:23

able to be your truest self with someone. Yeah.

30:26

No matter how imperfect that person may be at that

30:28

time. Yeah, totally. Yeah,

30:30

totally. I'll be the one you love to

30:33

hate. Oh, moving on.

30:35

Yeah, go on. Oh, wait, no, no, no. Move right on,

30:37

go on. No, no, no. Moving, moving, moving. No,

30:39

no, I want to talk about one of the lyrics. Everyone

30:41

over there is tired. Let's go. I

30:44

don't think that's true. Oh, maybe they're all on their

30:46

phone. I see you all. Jesus Christ. No, they're done,

30:49

they're done. They're all done. They've all

30:51

checked out. They've all out of it. No, but what

30:54

is the most fulfilling part about making

30:56

an album? When you write a song

30:58

that you love so much and

31:01

you are driving home or

31:03

walking home and you have your headphones on and

31:06

playing the bounce over and over and over

31:08

again and just not being able to sleep because you're so

31:10

excited about it and waking up with it stuck in your

31:12

head and like yesterday this didn't

31:14

exist and today it exists. And

31:17

it's like this crazy, I talk to Max about this

31:19

all the time. He's like, isn't that the fucking craziest

31:21

thing in the world that will never get old to

31:23

me? He's like, it won't get old.

31:26

Jesus. Oh, that

31:28

one was near and big. I was giving train. That one

31:30

was near and big. Are

31:34

we, are we in the way? Something come through

31:36

here? Something come through. Something's

31:38

gotta come through. That was here. Oh, I

31:40

have lipstick all over my chin. Come in, Michael.

31:42

But I think that's the most crazy thing. Can

31:44

we do this while we talk? Yeah. It's

31:47

giving Mimi. It's giving Mariah. Thank

31:50

you. Michael Anthony,

31:52

everyone. We,

31:56

we really do. I complimented your shoes when you came in and

31:58

you were like, you talking to me? Fuck you. talking to you. There

32:01

is something there to be able to create something from nothing

32:03

and the beauty involved in that. No it's the craziest

32:05

thing we have. Yesterday,

32:09

or not yesterday, but we said

32:11

many times during this process when

32:13

we became obsessed with these songs, Thank You I Love

32:15

You. May I have a little

32:17

bit of peace, really quick and survive. I have

32:19

been making out with this microphone it seems, but

32:22

there's this thing where you

32:26

can't believe, thank you, where like you come in and

32:32

oh my god Michelle Shigamos is gonna

32:34

love this. But there's

32:36

this phenomenon it's

32:40

like the craziest thing in the world where you leave you

32:42

go to work and something happens and the next day like

32:44

this thing is there that was never there before and

32:47

it's just you can hear it and it's beautiful and you're proud

32:49

of it and you love it. That

32:51

is like one of the many things but maybe

32:54

the strongest thing that I respect about artists is

32:56

this creation of

32:58

nothing into something and that's something being so

33:00

rooted in their identity and they put so

33:02

much of themselves into

33:04

something. Yeah. And you

33:06

never know where that's gonna go and then the idea of sharing

33:09

it. And then it becomes for

33:11

other people to enjoy and it wasn't there the day

33:13

before and then it's there the next day. They may

33:15

like it and they may resonate

33:17

it may resonate with them or it may not and

33:19

that's like such a beautiful thing. Art.

33:22

Art. We can't be

33:24

friends. I'm just describing art. Yeah. As

33:28

if it's the first time anyone's ever thought of

33:31

art. And we have to go. Go

33:33

on. We can't be friends. Second

33:37

favorite song next is Supernatural. Yeah. Being in

33:39

my head I can it's the strings at

33:41

the end are flawless. Thank you. They make

33:43

me really emotional the strings. I love those

33:45

strings. Who are you talking to in this song? Wouldn't

33:48

you like to know? I don't

33:53

know. I wanted

33:55

it to be something

33:57

that everyone could relate to. They can do it. It

34:00

can be whoever you want it to be about. But

34:02

I know for me what it's about, I

34:04

don't know. I have a hard time

34:08

going into specifics because I

34:11

feel like that's not the point of it. The point

34:13

is to leave it up for people to make of

34:15

it what they will. Interpretation. It's really

34:17

interesting. Because to me, again,

34:20

I take a song like this and I

34:22

apply it to my own life. I give

34:24

it my own meaning. Yeah. Right? And I

34:27

apply it to somebody I hate. I apply it

34:29

to somebody that I know. Hate. Yeah. There's

34:32

no friendship here. Or have given up on.

34:34

Yes. Don't hate. Don't. Yeah.

34:36

Hate is the wrong word. I'm sorry. That's

34:39

all right. No, for you, I'm just

34:41

saying, you know. Yeah, it's bad to

34:43

harbor that. It's

34:47

such a great song. Why were the strings needed? And

34:49

whose idea was it? I don't remember, but

34:51

Max and I both love strings. So we were

34:53

probably very both excited about that. But they're

34:56

just the most emotional sound in the world. I love

34:58

them so much. Do you have a song that I...

35:01

I sounded like you

35:03

were crying while recording it. Probably

35:06

was. I wish

35:08

that I hated you. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

35:10

What does that song mean to you? It's

35:15

one of those that I... I'm

35:17

so glad that feeling

35:20

is captured on this album. But it's one that

35:22

I won't listen to

35:25

probably or sing live, probably. But

35:27

I think it's a very important

35:29

color to exist within the album

35:31

because it's, yeah, it's an important piece of

35:33

the puzzle to me. I'm

35:35

happy to acknowledge the goodness. I

35:38

really am and the efforts and

35:41

that it just was not correct. And

35:44

I don't need to pretend that you're a monster to

35:47

make peace with this ending. That's what that song

35:49

is. And it would be easier

35:51

if you were. But it's just, you know what

35:54

I mean? It can have not been

35:56

right. And that person can still

35:58

be a good person. And I

36:00

think that's like a really important song to write. Why was

36:02

it needed on the album? What

36:05

part of the puzzle did it complete? Well,

36:07

I think it completed the things, the

36:11

family of breakup songs, where I wrote

36:15

from a more hurt or upset place.

36:18

And it's from a

36:21

more aware and grieved

36:25

place, where it's like, oh,

36:28

I can give credit

36:31

and make peace with this and

36:33

not carry that version of you that

36:35

I had when I was upset. I

36:38

don't need to carry that version. Yeah,

36:41

beautiful. It's a beautiful thing to

36:43

do in terms of... Yeah, it's like grieving

36:45

would be so much easier if we

36:47

hated a person. It's

36:50

like good riddance. But no,

36:52

capturing the complexity of what happens

36:54

if I don't is

36:57

imperative. It's protective as well.

37:00

How so? Exactly what you're

37:02

talking about. I think people perceiving it

37:04

and thinking something about these are just

37:06

songs, but the

37:08

way people sensationalize things, it's

37:11

protective as well. Was

37:13

there a moment where you realized that this album has the

37:15

ability to take on a whole

37:17

life of its own that you can never even really imagine?

37:20

Because it does. Every

37:22

piece of art has the ability to be bigger than one

37:24

person, right? And live a life of

37:26

its own. That's

37:29

happened to me many

37:31

times in my life with art. I

37:35

don't know. I feel like a lot of the times things

37:38

have become so much bigger than me as a

37:40

human and gotten ahead of me. A

37:42

lot of when I was younger was me trying to chase

37:44

after and catch up. I

37:46

don't know. So maybe it's... I

37:49

don't know. It's something I try not to think

37:51

about anymore in order to continue creating. Otherwise,

37:53

if I think about it, I will stop. Yeah, but you

37:55

said it's debilitating. It's debilitating. Absolutely.

37:57

I try to keep it from my brain.

38:00

as much as possible so that I can

38:02

continue. Thank you.

38:04

Just pick things up a bit. Getting a

38:06

little heavy in here. I'm sorry. All

38:08

right. It's not your fault. You didn't write

38:10

the album. Go on. Somewhere.

38:14

Go on. I

38:17

can take it. Boy's

38:19

mind. I made this bed. I

38:22

will lay in it. It's not

38:24

true. Go on. You

38:27

talk about Imperfect for You being your favorite song on the album. Is

38:30

there a song that you

38:32

wish wasn't needed to tell this story?

38:35

No. I love Imperfect

38:37

for You so much. I

38:40

love, yeah, sorry. No,

38:42

tell me why though. I think

38:44

that there's, in this day and age,

38:48

am I 900? In this day and

38:50

age, we

38:52

do a lot of like boiling things down

38:54

to a 10 second

38:57

TikTok or a headline

39:00

or a little cherry-picked quote from something.

39:02

We do a lot of stripping of

39:04

humanness and erasure of context. And I

39:06

think that even a

39:10

simple lyric, like happy disaster, is making

39:12

space for

39:15

all of that to exist within

39:17

one song and one idea and

39:19

one thought. And every moment of

39:22

our lives contains multitudes of

39:24

feelings, of thoughts, of good

39:27

and bad. And wicked

39:30

and goodness. And

39:33

that's also kind of what wicked is about as well.

39:35

It's an example of how

39:37

people become what they are and how things get

39:39

to where they are. There's a lot of erasing

39:42

of the how and why these days.

39:45

So is true story a bad next song to talk

39:47

about? No, it's fun. Because it's

39:49

a true story, it's an untrue story based

39:51

on all untrue events. So go on. A

39:54

true story about all the lies you fantasize. Yeah,

39:57

yeah, yeah. And the games I know you

39:59

play. Yeah. I actually had that hook from

40:01

the batch of songs that Max

40:05

and I were working on for the Seth

40:07

MacFarlane TV show that never happened. So that

40:10

was like a sister song to Fantasize. A

40:12

couple of these little seedlings existed before

40:15

this album. And I

40:18

actually, in the moment, was

40:20

like, we might have

40:22

to save some of these for when we do

40:24

an album. So that was

40:27

something that I, even though there

40:30

is a version of it out there already on TikTok,

40:32

I was like, I don't, it feels so

40:35

important. I love it that

40:37

much that I kind of want to reclaim it

40:39

and make out of it

40:41

what I wanted to originally. And I didn't want to

40:43

like let them win in that way, I guess. What

40:46

are the biggest changes between what people have heard of that

40:48

song and what we're getting now? Oh my

40:50

goodness, everything. The production, the vocals, the lyrics,

40:52

everything. It was just like a

40:54

shell. It was a seedling back then. It was a

40:56

song about something completely entirely different. I don't even remember

40:58

that one anymore. Can you explain to me your

41:01

strategy and process when it comes to vocals and

41:04

what songs require what

41:06

types of vocals? Yeah. Well,

41:09

I'm very picky when it

41:11

comes to everything. No, but

41:13

when I'm writing, I literally am

41:16

writing, sitting there with like a mic like this,

41:18

and I'll just mumble in and there's a demo

41:20

version that exists for a while until all the

41:22

songs are written. And then I'll come

41:24

back with the proper, like

41:27

expensive, beautiful, perfect microphone for

41:29

whichever vocal we're cutting. Sometimes

41:32

we'll switch depending on what I'm singing. But

41:36

this one, we actually use the same thing the whole time. I

41:39

think it was a telefunk in something

41:41

something. A telefunk in. Yeah, yeah. Good

41:43

microphone. Let me go. Yeah. I

41:46

used one of those for a second. Yeah, I can. Definitely

41:48

not the one you used, but yeah. No. I'm

41:53

very discerning and weird

41:55

when it comes to my vocals because I

41:57

often don't sing as much as

41:59

I can. can sing on something because for

42:01

me it has to feel emotional

42:04

and it has to feel honest. I don't like

42:06

to just like sing for the

42:08

sake of singing but I am singing

42:11

a lot more on this album than I was

42:14

on the last like three so that's that's really

42:16

nice. I enjoyed singing more but then again it

42:18

felt honest too so yeah. I think that's like

42:20

really interesting. Singing for the sake of

42:22

singing and not doing that and matching

42:24

the emotion that the song gives. Yeah

42:27

I'm not like an embellisher for the

42:29

sake of embellishing. But you spend

42:31

a lot of time manipulating

42:33

is the wrong word but like layering and actually

42:36

being vocal. Yeah that to me because

42:38

it's not like it's not like just

42:40

singing that's the voice as an instrument

42:43

so that to me is

42:45

separate because I don't feel like that's singing that feels

42:47

like music to me. I love

42:49

adding so many layers and stacks

42:52

and pads even if you can't even really

42:54

hear them or even if we put like

42:56

a filter over them so that it sounds

42:58

like an instrument or a chord that's played on us

43:00

something it's like I just I love that that's my

43:02

heaven. I feel like that's something that not many people

43:04

know about you is that you

43:07

will sit behind a computer

43:09

and layer and do all these. Oh that's all I

43:11

do. Well you have since I met you in like 2009.

43:13

Yeah. I

43:16

remember the first song I ever heard of yours and

43:18

it was just that. Yeah only

43:21

that. I mean dude I remember the song you

43:24

use yesterday. I mean I

43:26

like my idol is Mariah

43:28

and Imogen Heath. Yeah. And I feel

43:30

like I sit somewhere in between the

43:32

two of them like that's where my

43:34

brain learned everything from Imogen on the

43:36

production side and Mariah

43:39

from the vocal and songwriting side and

43:41

both of them I don't know in

43:43

a blender has always been my sort

43:46

of goal I suppose. What

43:48

first pushed you to learn exactly how to work

43:50

these programs and be more than just somebody who

43:52

comes in and lends vocals to

43:54

something. Well I loved watching Imogen like

43:57

when I was a little

43:59

girl I I fell in love with

44:01

her. I wanted to have

44:03

all of the technology that she used

44:05

on stage and I wanted to wrap

44:07

leaves in my hair and have like

44:09

a looping machine and a tenorian and

44:11

all these weird things. And I

44:14

wanted to produce and loop and write. And

44:16

so I just kind of studied

44:18

and learned and yeah, it

44:22

began. It's gotten incredibly, incredibly good

44:24

at it. Thank you. Like

44:26

it is, again, like my, one of my favorite

44:28

memories walking into that studio and watching you do

44:31

your thing. Look, hella small

44:33

behind this ginormous monitor, like

44:35

with a thousand layers of vocals in front of

44:37

you. Thank you. Working on the last song

44:40

on the album that features Nona. Yeah. What

44:42

was it like playing the album for her? I

44:44

didn't play the whole album for her,

44:47

but I did play the song that she's on.

44:49

Okay. She was very excited

44:51

to be on the album and she was

44:53

very moved by it. And she

44:56

loved that she was there. And then she

44:59

told many stories about all the different times

45:01

she's been on my albums. Just

45:04

like it's not the first time. It's

45:07

there's been many more. I

45:09

was on the first one. Yeah.

45:13

It's interesting because the album

45:16

starts with a question and ends with an

45:18

answer from a person that I

45:21

love and trust so implicitly. I cherish what

45:23

my family has to share with me. Any

45:26

advice that I call upon in my own existence?

45:29

Like I listened to that. He texted me about

45:31

it. Yeah. I was like, I need to hear

45:33

that fucking voice memo. I just need to hear

45:35

the reminder. I need that lesson. Not

45:37

to like change topics, but

45:40

the funniest thing about that voice memo is

45:42

that sometimes when I'm with Nona, I will

45:44

just record her for like hours

45:47

because she's the funniest fucking

45:49

person on the planet. And

45:51

that tiny thing is

45:53

in the middle of like

45:55

an hour of her and

45:58

Shirley like bitching about. men

46:00

and about feminism and

46:02

about how well

46:05

yeah it's the funniest someday

46:07

there'll be an extended cut

46:09

of the song and you'll

46:11

hear Shirley her best friend and

46:14

Nona talking about all their craziness

46:16

there was a in my head the version of the

46:19

album where I was gonna interview like

46:21

Nona and all of her friends and like my

46:23

mom and like Lini and like

46:25

everyone. Really strong women. Yeah

46:27

and just like showcase

46:31

as interludes stories and

46:33

like about love and

46:35

and learning and relationships from just women that I

46:37

love so much but I didn't have time to

46:39

do it but that existed in my head for

46:42

a while. Understanding that this is this

46:44

is a story of strength right? You

46:48

tell me. I believe so. I

46:51

believe so. I mean it starts with doing

46:53

something that's incredibly strong and

46:56

it ends with one of the

46:58

strongest human beings in your life

47:00

giving you an answer to a question you desperately

47:03

need. Bye. No

47:05

please. Please. By

47:08

the way if you haven't listened to the album yet

47:10

you should there's gonna be a link in the description

47:12

below. Thank you. Yeah this

47:14

is should be proud of

47:16

this one. Thank you. You really should. How are

47:19

you feeling? I feel good how

47:21

are you feeling? I'm feeling great. I

47:23

honestly want to go listen to We Can't Be Friends. It's

47:27

good. It's really good. Is

47:29

that everything? I think we've covered a lot here. What

47:32

are we missing? We looked through

47:34

my notes. Nothing

47:38

actually. Hey dude we've covered

47:40

we've covered everything. We've

47:43

covered... We've not got the

47:45

boys' men. Can you explain this song to me? Yeah

47:47

oh my god how do we forget? That's gonna be

47:49

everyone's favorite. Unfortunately. Why

47:51

do you say unfortunately? No I think

47:54

well because I think it's just like naughty

47:56

it's the it's the version of fantasize

47:58

on the album. that they wanted

48:01

to have that, you know, it's just

48:03

like a sexier, naughtier one. And I

48:05

think it's more

48:08

provocative than the rest. But, oh,

48:10

yeah, but it's, yeah, it's

48:12

not about what you think it was about. And it's also

48:14

a song that I've always wanted

48:16

to interpolate. Is that what the

48:19

kids are calling now? Yeah,

48:21

I have like many different versions of it from like years

48:23

ago that I yeah, but this is

48:25

like not that. We were you

48:27

what interpolation? Just the title. The

48:29

title, the boy's mind. That's it. Got it. Got

48:32

it. I remember there was an

48:34

old song that I love that you played me years

48:36

ago. And it still comes up on Twitter every now

48:38

and then. Yeah, because everything.

48:41

Yeah. Yeah. Oh

48:43

my God, that's right. You. Yeah, I

48:45

love it. I just like the song. Right? Yeah.

48:49

Yeah. Yeah. That

48:51

was supposed to be on. Was it

48:53

Thank You Next? No Sweeter. Yeah.

48:56

Yeah. I love that song. Really good. I'm

48:59

such a 90s baby. I have

49:01

so many like 90s interpolation

49:04

ideas, samples in my brain.

49:06

But no, this is one. This one finally found

49:09

a home. I wanted it to come after True

49:11

Story on the track list because that

49:13

song plainly says like I'll play the bad girl

49:15

if you need me to. Great.

49:19

I'll do it here. And here's an example. So

49:22

I kind of put it there for that reason. But it's supposed

49:25

to be just kind of like instead

49:27

of fantasize, you can have this because I think this

49:30

might be better. You know, oh my

49:32

gosh, you're not only that just broke

49:34

my knee. You're

49:37

going to bruise and just take me to the hospital. No, I am. I'm

49:40

going to be very fragile. I'm anemic. Am I? Can

49:43

we get a doctor? I bruise like a peach. Okay, we'll

49:45

move on, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that'd be great. That'd be

49:47

super fun. baby.

50:01

Starz A-line. They did. Ahh.

50:04

They did. I feel like we've covered a lot. As Chris Martin

50:06

said. Can you do a tarot card reading for me?

50:09

Oh my god, I wish I brought them. Yeah, what is that?

50:12

What are you just walking around set looking to do

50:14

reading? Every day. No, no, they come

50:16

to me. Oh, interesting. They come to me.

50:18

You are a witch? I am indeed. The

50:20

witchiest witch. Something happened recently that

50:22

I actually couldn't wrap my

50:24

head around. I need to remember

50:27

it. I need to remember it. You need to

50:29

be fair, you couldn't wrap your head around it. It

50:31

was the witchiest thing. Yeah, I couldn't and I didn't. I forgot

50:33

it. Keep going. Wait, something

50:35

really awaits me. Oh, Jim Carrey's birthday. Thank you, mom.

50:38

I announced

50:42

Eternal Sunshine on Jim's birthday and I didn't

50:44

fucking know it was his birthday. You

50:47

channel Jim Carrey in so many ways and you've

50:49

been for so long. I mean, like his

50:51

movie is in his art existence. Oh yeah. Subconsciously

50:53

with you. I thought you meant like just in my

50:55

vibe. I

50:58

was like, all righty then. Thank

51:02

you. No, but there is his art

51:06

has had such an impact on you. Yeah, absolutely.

51:08

I also think I kind of like. I

51:12

mean, he's so fucking brilliant. I love him

51:14

so much. But also I

51:16

think like I just am so enamored

51:18

by his ability to, as he put

51:20

it, I'm quoting him, take

51:23

all of these broken pieces of himself and apply

51:25

them to these different characters and

51:27

heal through them and make use of

51:29

them. Like it's just so beautiful. I

51:31

love it. Do you take any of that and apply it to

51:33

what you do? I don't think

51:36

I would say, I

51:38

mean, intentionally, I don't know, but that's

51:40

what I guess we're supposed to do

51:43

is like make out of what is

51:45

here and like transform

51:47

these little like

51:49

cracks and. Scratches

51:52

into something. More

51:55

beautiful, I guess it's like, yeah, I

51:57

don't know. I guess it's just that he's just so

51:59

beautiful. It's such a beautiful soul. I emailed him.

52:02

I said happy birthday, Jim and

52:06

he responded with the most lovely lovely

52:08

response as always were kind of like

52:12

Pen pals, but like it's once every

52:15

few like long I don't bother him often

52:17

I don't ever reach out but sometimes so

52:19

I'll send but he always responds This is

52:21

the sweetest thing and he's always

52:23

so kind and then there was a follow-up to

52:26

this one I didn't want to answer again because I don't want to

52:28

like I like very like whoa.

52:30

I'm scared I don't want to do too

52:32

much. You're I love you It's like you

52:34

know, but he responded again and he's like

52:36

I just heard about The

52:38

album title like oh my gosh, that's crazy. And

52:41

I was like, oh no, he thinks I did

52:43

this on his birthday He thinks I'm so creepy

52:45

and weird. I'm a bitch and

52:47

then I responded and I was like, hey, you know

52:50

Yeah, how crazy right? I promise

52:53

I promise I'm not that weird Making

52:57

taking the cracks and the scratches and

52:59

all that and turning into something beautiful

53:02

and something that is bigger than oneself And that is

53:04

what's happening with this album. Well,

53:06

thank you. It's really special stuff.

53:08

Thank you. I hope so. I love you Thank

53:10

you. I can't thank you enough for continuing to create

53:13

art that is So

53:16

present future but also rooted in these beautiful

53:18

parts of nostalgia that Really

53:22

really really really really are timeless

53:24

and and Yeah,

53:27

you cloaked really beautiful stories

53:29

in the most awesome

53:31

Sonics and yeah, this is my favorite album

53:33

so far I

53:39

love you forever. I love you forever. Yeah,

53:41

you listen to internal sunshine This is my

53:43

this is my favorite about of

53:46

art of art interviews. I am

53:48

sweaty. Oh, that's okay I

53:50

love you. I love you, too. It was pretty sweaty, right? Okay,

53:56

I won't do you like that in front of the

53:58

world. Are you on the ground? Love

54:00

you. I'm going to go on

54:02

to everybody. Yay, Zach

54:05

Seng! It's the Zach Seng show.