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1:14

Glynis. Yeah, yeah, it's ah. Thank you

1:16

for having me hello I collected.

1:18

If if you are fucking incredible

1:21

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1:23

ok go. You're amazing! Thank you

1:25

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1:28

think the. You. Are one of the greatest power borders

1:30

of all time. Oh my god as that's a big

1:32

statement. Landlords, Accurate. Really resent A I mean

1:34

obviously are is ratings have to people

1:36

and early in the feel and rally

1:38

receive or whatever. But. Your

1:40

records time and time again

1:43

in are so fucking good.

1:45

They're the perfect com balance

1:47

between. Incredibly. Meaningful indeed,

1:49

but also. The. Right

1:51

amount. a lightness that allows you to move

1:53

in screaming at the top your lungs. Be

1:55

here. Do So. Incredibly empowering

1:58

and you. are fucking amazing Do you

2:00

know what? I'm gonna take it. I

2:02

really am gonna take it. Please.

2:04

I'm not blowing smoke. There's very few

2:07

musicians that I've been waiting to interview.

2:09

Yeah. Like very, I don't wanna brag.

2:11

We've interviewed so many musicians. No, I

2:14

know. I know all about ya. Like,

2:17

you're amazing. I've been waiting for so

2:19

long. Oh, well, do you know what?

2:21

We finally got here. Fuck yeah. Let's

2:23

do that. Around one of, would you

2:25

say that Jess is your most personal

2:27

body of work? Even

2:29

though every album you

2:32

have, there's so much of you

2:34

on it. For the new album? Yeah, Jess. It's

2:38

a really good question, you know, or statement. But

2:41

basically, all

2:43

of the albums are me, right? Because everything

2:45

that I go through and

2:47

everything I talk about is so personal and

2:49

so raw. Like, it's

2:52

always a story or something that I've been

2:54

inspired by or an emotion or what have

2:56

you of my life or, you know,

2:58

wherever it's come from. So

3:01

it's like, I guess it's an evolution. And the

3:03

reason I say that this body of work is where

3:05

I'm, is like such a kind of embodiment

3:08

of me is just because of where I'm at

3:10

in my life right now. And

3:12

it's been a journey to get to this point of

3:15

feeling the way I do in myself, in

3:18

my team and in my work and being

3:20

able to explore my kind of

3:22

creativity in the way that I have on this

3:24

record. It's just been very different. So

3:27

I love, like, my first album is like, it's

3:30

my favorite album. Like, I Cry When I Laugh

3:32

is everything to me. I mean,

3:34

it's what set my whole career off. And I

3:36

think it's just that when

3:39

you get to a point like with this album

3:41

now with Jess, it's definitely

3:43

my most kind of I

3:46

just maybe it's my most emotional record. And

3:49

it's kind of like a lot

3:51

more vocal, a lot more message,

3:54

a lot more stripped back to

3:56

a certain degree. That's how

3:59

I would probably describe it. they're. One

4:01

of the be a we haven't listened to the

4:03

flour mill, I've listened to propose songs from if

4:05

I advise I feel like. I.

4:07

Cry when I last. Always. In

4:10

between. He was giving

4:12

talking to yourself not necessarily about

4:14

yourself as a good one or

4:16

realize that yesterday I can seem

4:18

so much of your music is

4:20

yes and only there's a through

4:22

line here where it sounds like

4:24

you're talking to yourself, not always

4:27

about yourself. The ads and I

4:29

were assists is actually a really

4:31

and. Whatnot and sito

4:33

vomit for me? ah, I can't

4:35

really. Does. Create as to the sake

4:37

of less we need a song. By my a

4:40

some sesame as like. If.

4:42

I'm buying into the studios. I.

4:44

Need to sell something? Oh, I

4:47

need to have something going on

4:49

for lies to be able to

4:51

talk about it And. So.

4:53

with this album for example. I

4:56

finish my pillow for I lai are as

4:58

aware of in still in a zone We

5:00

finish the last part of the tour in

5:02

the world by and I was like whoa

5:05

I need a minute. I'm also

5:07

like scared. The I couldn't

5:09

via externalising. Again or anything. Classes

5:11

so disconnected with music. I'm

5:14

with just everything so.

5:18

Glad. To take a break and I think going

5:20

into this. Record. It really took me like nearly

5:22

a year to get back to that point

5:24

of. I'm. Inspired and uncle a

5:26

story to tell. What? Was the story.

5:28

I think the story at the beginning

5:31

am was just that. I've

5:34

been through i think a lot in

5:36

my personal life and with my team

5:38

with light music I've been on arrival

5:41

at seven years my things. When I

5:43

first went into the studios I felt

5:45

like I wanted. To just talk about.

5:48

What? I personally had been free and

5:50

not planners free though the toll free.

5:52

The stuff I'm unable food like my

5:54

relationships through my you know all of

5:57

that and enough the some the have

5:59

just released. We like. Thousand.

6:02

Pretty. Much the first song I wrote. Because.

6:05

Is like The Struggle. For myself,

6:07

I'm with my team and with people and.

6:10

There's always this like aura of like

6:12

South Bow and. Also. It's

6:14

the pressure of the industry and. Like you

6:16

know I mean he's met a lot

6:18

of our is as high school I

6:20

goes saw think. That was the beginning

6:23

of me kind of. Opening.

6:25

Up the way it was that like. The.

6:27

First and I was going through am

6:29

a good enough light had a me

6:31

in my label that year that made

6:34

me feel a bit inadequate and like

6:36

can seize like. Me:

6:38

Artistically so. I

6:40

remember going into that says and and who can

6:42

about that as well as took Iraq we business

6:45

has it and it was like oh my god

6:47

if one had been on numbing you move in

6:49

on a great is only my citizens who goes.

6:51

It's and I guess we all sat. In

6:53

that room. Light. How are you

6:55

like to say about you and it was

6:58

a really close group of eve with i

7:00

am aware was in i see times are

7:02

aloe I see this and and we all

7:04

talked about what we've been very and where

7:06

we were an alliance and what we were

7:08

feeling good about what we're feeding like weird

7:10

about like how. We were seen and

7:12

about. game back into the pseudo. Making me that

7:15

again and that the world and stops. and

7:17

how the hell are we gonna like? We.

7:20

Do. Any of what we did die. It was just

7:22

one of those moments as I was tired. What's

7:25

going on and that label conversation? Rightless

7:28

surface. And and

7:30

mortar at what's happening in a meaningless me he

7:32

quests in your orders. can. Deny what it is

7:35

a think. When.

7:37

You are Northeast and you're working with.

7:39

You've got like a management you label,

7:41

You've got an agent. you go up.

7:45

As. He are. You go all these. People.

7:48

Around you write an. essentially zola a

7:50

team that won a when unlike do

7:52

the best and get the best out

7:54

of the i just buy things as

7:56

well you know creatively not everyone's always

7:58

than a seizing the same and

8:01

not everyone's going to hear things. Like you said, you

8:03

hear my album music and oh my God, thankfully

8:05

you love it. But some people

8:07

are like, yeah, I could take it or leave

8:09

it. Or no, that's not what makes my heart

8:13

tick or whatever. And I

8:15

think it was one of those moments that I was

8:17

going through with my team and my label that we

8:20

weren't necessarily on the same page. We weren't

8:22

seeing and hearing things the same. And

8:24

I think that's totally fine. I think

8:26

at the time I didn't know that that

8:29

was fine. And I didn't know how to

8:31

process that or like if it

8:33

was going to, I didn't know what was going to happen. And

8:37

over time I look back now and I'm like, I'm so

8:39

glad I made the decisions I made to get to where

8:41

I am now because it's allowed me to

8:44

do what I felt was right, creatively,

8:47

artistically. And I've been

8:49

able to meet a team that, you

8:51

know, now we all see

8:53

and hear the same or feel the same.

8:56

Isn't that a wild realization to have about

8:58

a team that had been with you from the very beginning?

9:01

Your story is wild. It's

9:05

true. People said no to you. You

9:07

couldn't get a fucking role to save your

9:09

life. Like you couldn't, in school, you couldn't

9:11

get a role in the place. Ex-actor

9:15

didn't want you. Nobody

9:17

wanted Jess Glenn. It's crazy, you

9:19

know, when I look back, it's so

9:21

funny because at school

9:24

it was, yeah, it was, there was

9:26

a lot of no's, yeah. And a lot of kind

9:28

of like, I remember, it's funny you bring up that,

9:30

it's like I remember walking into that and walking out

9:33

and being like, I don't want to do it. Like

9:35

I remember meeting those producers and thinking, why the hell

9:37

am I here, you know? It

9:39

didn't, I immediately knew it wasn't right. And it's like,

9:42

with my school, I think, you know, they

9:46

pushed me into a box of like, I don't

9:48

want to do music. And it silenced me through

9:50

school to do my thing secretly and just kind

9:52

of figure it out on my own. But

9:55

I think it gives you this kind of energy

9:59

to prove to people. that you're all right and

10:01

you can do it. So I think through

10:03

those no's and through the kind of, I

10:06

say the struggle, but through the, I guess yeah,

10:08

the struggle of wanting to live the dream and

10:10

do my passion, I think

10:13

the no's are what spurred me on to get the

10:15

yes's. You know? And

10:17

I think even with the label and

10:20

with the way that things panned out, I guess it's

10:22

like, creative

10:24

differences are a thing. And it's like,

10:26

I'm just really, really lucky that

10:30

the head of my label let me go more

10:32

than anything, you know, and who understood

10:34

where I was at and allowed me

10:36

to kind of walk

10:38

free. It just

10:41

wildly, that same label that saw potential

10:43

in you because at the

10:45

time you really were just working, marketing

10:47

like booze, right? Some alcohol brands. Yeah,

10:50

I knew what he said, yeah. I

10:52

was a brand experience manager.

10:55

And you understood what elements were needed to

10:57

create a successful artist, even though your mom

10:59

had been a part of some incredible careers,

11:01

right? She worked in A&R. She did, she

11:03

worked in A&R. She

11:06

had the label that you get signed to. Yeah, at

11:08

Atlantic, she worked in all

11:10

the labels, yeah. But she did it way

11:12

before you got signed. So when actually it came

11:14

to me doing it, she never got involved. She

11:16

never ever gave, because it was such a long

11:18

time and I respect her so much for just

11:20

letting me do my thing because realistically

11:23

she couldn't really have helped or done anything.

11:27

But my parents, you know, like super supportive. Her thing was actually,

11:29

are you sure you wanna do this because

11:32

it's fucking hard like this? Like

11:35

it's not, this isn't serious. Like

11:38

the likelihood of, and I was like, don't. Just

11:42

let me do my thing. I've got a job, I'm making money. I'm

11:45

paying my bills, like I'm working. If it all

11:47

fails, I'm gonna be all right, you know? So

11:51

don't worry about it, I got this. And

11:53

your mom is saying that from a place of loving.

11:56

Love, oh my gosh, this is the deepest of understanding.

11:58

For every incredible. act that she was

12:01

a part of, she probably saw a hundred fucking

12:03

acts come and go. She

12:05

yeah. She's part of the Rolling Stones. She

12:07

was like, yeah, she was an A&R coordinator.

12:09

So she was just like seeing

12:12

everyone going into studios and booking it

12:14

and watching them like grow and make

12:16

albums. And she was just, you know, and

12:18

so I think, yeah, I guess you

12:20

do see the success and the highs and the lows.

12:22

I mean, I'm not gonna lie, I am so jealous

12:24

of my mom. She worked in

12:26

industry and I mean, the best time

12:29

ever. You're right. It's

12:31

so true. Yeah.

12:34

I think about that sometimes like with radio

12:36

people because back, there was a certain moment

12:39

in music and in radio where like it

12:42

was everything. Like it was

12:44

one, some of the most iconic music being created

12:46

that leaves a foundation and like a path for

12:48

so many artists to follow. But two, it's where

12:51

so much attention was given to it. And there was, we

12:54

didn't have nearly as many artists as we do today

12:57

or even when you first started really in 2013, 2012.

13:00

It's constant, isn't it? It's like artists

13:02

are like, I

13:05

mean, I find the industry if

13:08

we're going into that, it's in a crazy

13:10

place. It's so different to

13:12

when I first started and it's

13:14

so a

13:17

lot of it's like the my it's

13:21

like a little bit like fast food sometimes.

13:23

It's like so quick and

13:25

so oversaturated. And sometimes it scares me

13:27

being the type of artist I am

13:29

that people aren't taking the time anymore

13:31

to really listen to music or like

13:33

taking the time to really understand where

13:36

that artist is from or where that song comes from

13:38

or listen to the lyric or like

13:41

30 second clips are scary, you know,

13:44

because it's like you're only getting 30 seconds when there's

13:46

a three minute song or even a

13:48

two minutes on whatever it is these days. And

13:51

like, obviously, it works for some

13:53

people and I think it's amazing in some cases, but

13:55

then obviously for someone like me, you know,

13:58

like, I'm a different kind of artist. to that,

14:00

you know? And I've come from a different

14:02

space and the artists that I adore

14:04

and I looked up to like the Amys

14:07

and you know like the Arefas and the

14:10

Lauren Hills of the world that like

14:12

you know that have such a connection

14:14

with their lyrics and their performance

14:17

and just everything. So it's

14:19

like, it's Wild World.

14:23

Are you aware though that the music you've made is

14:25

timeless? I like to

14:27

think so that I make records that

14:30

like, yeah I like to think so. I

14:32

do. I mean I'm so, I have

14:34

to say I am incredibly proud of

14:36

the music that I've made and I think

14:38

that's why I'm really excited for this album to come out

14:40

because I think it's one of those records

14:43

that to me already, I mean it's

14:45

been mine for the past how many years?

14:47

Like it's been a

14:49

good few years I've been holding onto this music and I

14:51

mean a few songs have been added later on and what

14:54

have you but the

14:56

joy I'm gonna get by gifting that to the

14:58

world and letting that go and knowing

15:00

what's gone into it and what it means, yeah

15:03

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How long has this album been done? It's

15:43

been like definitely done for like

15:45

a finished for a year but then in the

15:48

course of this year it's been added but

15:50

it's taken me like four years essentially to do

15:52

this album. What song started it? What

15:55

song started the whole album? Yeah, what song did you

15:57

finish first? Enough of the first one

15:59

I finished. was the first one. Kind

16:02

of needed, right? Right, and it just set the

16:04

tone. It was the first one I knew was gonna be

16:06

on the album. And

16:09

it's crazy because like, I

16:12

have dreamt like my whole career, right

16:15

from the beginning of working with Greg

16:17

Kirsten, who is a massive

16:19

record producer. He's written some of

16:21

the biggest songs with Adele. And

16:23

I mean, there's a million different

16:26

reasons as to why I'm such a

16:28

fan, right? And I wrote

16:30

enough and he heard it, and

16:33

he asked if he could work on it with me. And

16:35

it was one of the most, I

16:39

mean, for me that was like, oh my gosh, like

16:43

Greg Kirsten wants to work with

16:45

me. Like that's huge. Huge, like

16:48

if you go and look at his catalogue on what

16:50

he's done, you will be like, wow. But it's also

16:52

validating. 100%, yeah, it

16:54

was incredibly that. And

16:57

it was one of those moments where it

17:00

wasn't until a little bit later, like the song

17:02

was written and it sounded one way and it

17:04

was one thing for a while. And it

17:06

actually was once I kind of

17:08

like was on my

17:10

way from department of management on my label and I

17:12

was going through all of that, that that happened and

17:16

we were gonna work together. And I was like,

17:21

this song is so relevant because I am enough.

17:23

And I wanted to work

17:25

at this guy and people

17:28

have doubted that situation or doubted me being

17:30

able to do this or do that. And

17:32

it's like, nah, you know what, I can

17:34

and I did it. And that's why I

17:36

had an interview recently and

17:39

somebody asked me what the song meant to me.

17:41

And it's so crazy because from the moment I've written

17:43

it to the moment now, it's meant so many different

17:46

things. That's what I always wonder is like when somebody

17:48

writes a song, it means one thing, but it changes

17:50

every time. It evolves, yeah. So what does it mean

17:52

now? So now it's like, so at the beginning it

17:54

was like me trying to

17:56

teach myself that. Were you

17:58

talking to the song? Yeah. It's like you're talking

18:00

to yourself to tell yourself that, girl,

18:04

you've done this, you've got this far, like

18:06

you freaking got this. You don't need to,

18:09

but also it's like, ah, the battle at the time,

18:11

and you're like, ah, and the fight when you're singing

18:13

that, and that's how it was at the beginning.

18:16

But now I'm like, I listen

18:18

to it with a really warm, kind of light

18:21

lifted chest, because I'm like, yeah,

18:24

I got here, and now I can sing

18:26

this song, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm enough. And

18:28

I've got people around me who constantly reassure

18:30

me and like celebrate me, and

18:33

help me be the best version of myself

18:35

as a person, as an artist, as a

18:37

business woman, and whatever that is. How

18:40

special is that? Yeah, it's freaking cool.

18:42

Yeah, really special. What are you

18:44

thinking? Well, why was Silly Me then the first

18:47

song to reintroduce this new version or era of

18:49

you? I like that. So

18:53

when we were deciding on the records, and like

18:56

when we got to this point last year, we're

18:58

gonna start releasing music. Enough

19:02

was like always the first song, because

19:05

of obviously what I've explained. And

19:09

it was so crazy. I just had this moment when I got the

19:11

mixes back, and I was listening to

19:13

them both in the car. It was crazy. I sat on

19:15

my drive in the car. I always listened to everything in the car.

19:18

And I just sat there and I was going back and

19:20

forth between the two, and forth, and back, and forth, and

19:22

back, and forth. And I was like,

19:24

it was the first time something just went weird in

19:26

my head, and it just did not feel

19:29

right to start with enough. Because I

19:31

was like, I've been away for like four, five,

19:33

I hadn't released it like a single

19:35

of just Jess since Thursday,

19:37

which was in 2018. And

19:39

it was what, 2023 last year. So

19:43

that's, I can't do math, but like five years? Yeah,

19:46

okay, five years, right? And

19:48

I was like, I'm

19:50

reentering a market, and

19:53

an industry that's evolved and changed so

19:55

much. And I think people don't know where

19:57

I've been, or what's been going on, and what have you. And

20:00

the story of Silly Me just

20:02

felt so like, hey,

20:05

this is where I started when I was 16 and

20:07

this is a little journey and you

20:10

know what? Like we all

20:12

have to like work hard,

20:14

make mistakes, trip, fall, have like whatever's gone

20:16

on in our life to teach us and

20:18

to get to a certain point. And it's

20:21

like, it just felt the perfect opening for

20:23

me to just be like, come

20:25

on guys, Silly Me. We all say it and we

20:27

all feel it. And I think for me, like so

20:29

much had happened both like in a public high,

20:32

like in my life and then like people had

20:34

known this or a little bit of that. And

20:36

I don't know, it felt like more of a

20:38

story that was needed at that point to reenter

20:40

back in. Is it a story about

20:42

your life or are you talking to yourself? Are you talking to yourself?

20:44

It's a little bit of a story about myself. Yeah, it's

20:46

not actually me talking to myself, it's me

20:48

telling. It's like 16 and I said I

20:51

have a heartbreak. Round one dance hard, no

20:53

worries. Do you know what I

20:55

mean? You're telling your story. Huh? You're

20:57

telling your story. Literally, 16 is

20:59

a bit stupid. 21, little

21:01

bit more stupid. Got lost and then

21:04

it's like, so you're like,

21:06

oh yeah, it's starting to like find my way. And

21:08

it's like, oh, break a few hearts, got my heart

21:10

broken, had a few weird moments. Do you know what I mean?

21:13

And it's like, and now we're here, but

21:15

it's cool and it's like, it's

21:18

one of those kind of self-deprivation but

21:20

also like self-celebration moments.

21:22

And it's like, cool, now we can go. Fuck

21:25

yeah. Yeah. So how do you know

21:28

that I've almost done? How? Yeah.

21:31

I didn't. I

21:34

knew like even now I could add things to it.

21:36

Really? Yeah, I don't know.

21:38

It actually feels like a complete project. Like when

21:40

I listened to it actually, I was

21:43

on a train a week or two ago and

21:46

I was like, I had like two hours on my own and

21:48

I just sat there and listened through it and was just like,

21:51

I've actually avoided listening through it.

21:53

It's really weird. I've

21:55

got, I've had it and obviously I've listened

21:57

to it a million times, but like

21:59

the, actual order of it and

22:01

everything because for me like

22:03

order of songs is really important

22:06

like it took me a few

22:09

months for me to get the order of it right and

22:11

it was like one of those things like two

22:14

days of like Jess we have a deadline to

22:16

meet if you want to release the album and

22:18

I was like oh and it was like the day before

22:20

I had to like go back through

22:23

and listen to it and then from that

22:25

moment I couldn't listen to it again for some reason I don't

22:28

know why maybe I just like

22:30

needed a break or just kind of was

22:32

overwhelmed and the order of the

22:34

album and something you always cared about yeah

22:36

always always something I've cared about yeah yeah

22:40

it's always something I've cared about but this

22:42

time it was like I

22:45

was allowed to just do

22:47

it as I wanted it the

22:50

fact it was the first time I genuinely got like

22:52

a full lease to just do it much like how

22:54

it made sense to me and I

22:57

did actually do it and then I was like can

22:59

I just ask you know I asked my people that

23:01

I want to ask like does this sound better here

23:03

and that's how I met there and like you know

23:05

the people I love I really did want that opinion

23:08

when I'd got to that point because for

23:10

me when you listen to a song so

23:13

like on the track listing it's the

23:16

intro and then it goes silly me and then

23:19

I think it goes into easy I

23:21

think yeah so

23:23

then it's like the message of silly

23:25

me and the

23:27

message of easy start

23:29

the record off it makes sense to then start

23:31

to allow you to then go into wait

23:34

where we know say no yeah because

23:37

they say no yeah all the

23:39

messages make sense but the problem is is

23:41

like when you're listening to it sometimes the message

23:43

makes sense but does it sound right so for

23:45

me it's like it has to like you

23:48

know feel good to the air as well

23:50

and then it's like a freak out if it doesn't so

23:52

that's like too long but you're making

23:54

each song siloed right so there's

23:57

a chance that you can bring them all together and they don't

23:59

conduct There is a chance. But

24:02

then you find a way. Somehow they just do. I

24:04

always find a way. Because

24:06

I think it's like there's all these messages

24:08

and all this storytelling and whatever it is,

24:10

whether it's deep or not deep or whatever. But

24:13

it makes sense in the end. At

24:15

what point does it start presenting itself? At

24:18

what point? At what point does the album

24:20

start presenting itself for the story that you're actually

24:22

telling? I

24:25

guess like when

24:28

you get to the point of... That's

24:32

a good question. When does it start? Yeah. When

24:35

does it feel like a story? I

24:38

think that like... Have

24:40

you heard the intro? No. No,

24:42

we haven't. I feel

24:44

like that's when it's the way you start. Of

24:46

course. But like what is... when

24:48

you made the intro, does that one have started for you or are

24:50

you really... See what you're saying? I've got you. Sorry, my bad. I

24:52

thought you meant through the album. No. When does

24:55

it start presenting itself? When I wrote enough.

24:59

That's when the lyrics are like, actually... I

25:03

wrote this song called Promise Me. And

25:08

I think that song... You end with that song. I end

25:11

with that song on purpose, yeah. So I could probably

25:13

like... Lying is my

25:15

favourite song on an album. It's absolutely my favourite

25:18

song on an album. Which

25:20

is weird to say because I love them all. But it's just there's

25:22

something about that record. But Promise Me I

25:24

wrote... I wrote that with Greg

25:26

Kirsten. And

25:28

I was in LA on my own. And it

25:30

was through this trial in time. I'd been out

25:32

here for a while and I was

25:35

sat in my hotel room the night before the session and I

25:37

was like... I really didn't want to go in without something. Or

25:41

without... I just... I

25:43

was feeling a lot. And I remember sitting

25:45

on the end of my bed and I was going through

25:47

an emotional time. And

25:50

I remember writing these lyrics and I

25:52

had this melody and I was just kind

25:54

of like... Splurging what I was

25:56

feeling out on paper or whatever. And

25:59

I remember... into that session with

26:01

him and he's so special when he goes

26:03

to a piano. I love the piano. He's

26:09

just playing away and it all just came together

26:11

quite quickly. It was really beautiful. I

26:14

remember finishing that song and having

26:16

a moment of like, whoa, it's

26:20

coming together. It

26:22

feels like I'm making a record. That's

26:25

probably what the presenting

26:27

of the album and the story comes. Do

26:30

you feel like you need to go into a

26:32

session with something? No, not

26:34

always. That session, I really

26:36

did though. I'd already had a session with him.

26:38

I've been in with him like for a couple

26:40

of days or whatever, but that day I'd left

26:42

and I was really like, um,

26:46

I think I was just struggling with my

26:48

circumstance. I think like I was out here

26:50

on my own. I felt

26:52

very kind of disconnected

26:55

from my work

26:57

people, but then I felt very

26:59

like, and I was going through something in a relationship

27:01

and I was very kind of

27:03

like trying to prove a point, but then I was

27:05

trying to like be like, and

27:07

I, it was crazy. I was trying to find

27:09

myself as a person and like be stable in

27:11

my own self, but it was just so many

27:13

different journeys I was on. And I

27:16

think I just remember sitting there and like, it's kind

27:18

of mad actually. I found this video, my friends

27:21

on me, you know, you

27:23

should just talk or write. And I like

27:25

put my phone in a minute. I find

27:28

it embarrassing, but it's funny, but

27:30

it's actually special. I put the

27:32

phone on like the desk in this hotel room

27:34

and I was like, hi, are you all right?

27:36

And I think I just sat and spoke

27:38

to my phone for like an hour. Like

27:40

it's mad. Like I'm sitting there. Is

27:44

that crazy or healthy? I don't know.

27:46

What is it? Like I actually don't

27:48

know if I was like going absolutely

27:50

insane or it was like, it was

27:52

like, I don't know what the hell.

27:55

I Found it like maybe

27:57

a couple of weeks ago and I was like,

27:59

wow. You really know

28:01

why Boss is my

28:03

kids. Is summed

28:06

up. Why everything is like

28:08

ended up the way it has

28:10

like wow he's com so slip

28:13

and fall like. Is.

28:15

Software uses I know that Com as a says.

28:17

You're having was as hell. Fell.

28:20

Down. At the

28:22

spot I remember that was probably like the

28:24

night before the my as I have when

28:26

it's satellite of authenticity that says it was

28:28

him. And in his

28:30

own pain. And thus it that song

28:33

the reason that lamb with my management.

28:35

Now I'm. And. While I'm a

28:37

to the choices added. Really in

28:39

this is either reasons at like why

28:41

I'm here. As

28:43

while yeah and that's why I sold

28:46

it sealed the album with promise. The

28:48

Am. The American it is.

28:51

Leave farmers Me Tom is may

28:54

love Sir Ends on We've honestly

28:56

love. And osteocytes him is

28:58

like. Will. Be Voice and

29:00

album. He. Wasn't

29:02

and other than by are who

29:05

are like interested in person's and

29:07

exactly like or attract. Attorney.

29:10

Smugglers and it's crazy that lazy I'm

29:12

very sweating I when I have ah.

29:15

Figures he said. Yeah. That's their.

29:18

Success. Oh yes, those hope this.

29:21

Is. Eric connective tissue between you

29:23

of music right? I have nieces

29:25

that a sister who's this is

29:27

dead people may not know your

29:29

name, but probably no two to

29:31

three of your songs and at

29:34

a minimum the no one. Really

29:36

Well. says. He let me

29:38

tell ya hear this fi i have of

29:40

my manager i have a five as he

29:42

is as a a beautiful thing. But

29:45

as. When. I met M

29:48

Say Brown and when I met let them on a

29:50

since him a lot of the. And my

29:52

it was like a journey. To thought was is like a

29:54

lot by a move or like I. need a loss

29:56

and then when i haven't really met

29:58

sarah who is my

30:00

manager. It was like this moment,

30:02

like, we were met and she was such a fan of my

30:05

song, Rather Be. And her thing

30:08

was, I'm

30:10

just sick because you're so

30:12

fricking amazing and you've got

30:14

like the biggest hits in the world or whatever and people

30:17

just don't know who the hell you are. Like people don't

30:19

know your face or they don't know your name. And it's

30:21

like, you talk to someone like out here

30:23

and you're like, hey, you're right. You know, like I could be

30:25

sat down and think the song would be like, hey, you're right.

30:27

And they're like, yeah, you, hi, I'm Jess, yeah. I'm

30:30

Mary, whatever. And like this actually happened

30:32

the other night with someone and we're having a shower, we're

30:34

having a dinner. And then

30:37

Sarah's like, I'm sorry,

30:39

but you must know like, no, no, no, no.

30:41

And she was like, oh my God, that's my

30:43

husband's favorite song. Oh my God, that's huge. She

30:45

was like, oh my God, I was like freaking out. And

30:48

it's like that connection, like

30:52

it's one of those things. He's like, it's

30:54

her determination. She's like, they

30:56

wouldn't know exactly who you are. They're gonna hear your voice

30:58

and see your face and they're gonna know.

31:01

It's mental. It's going to happen, but the

31:03

power of your music is real. The second

31:05

you hum something or you give them a

31:07

lyric. It's a recognizable tone.

31:12

Is there something that connects songs

31:14

like, I'll be there, take me home,

31:18

hold my hand. Like, is

31:20

there anything that's like a

31:22

common thread between all of them or the

31:25

process the same? I'm

31:28

just trying to think about the process actually

31:30

for those songs are all really different. Take

31:34

me home is like, before

31:37

I had any deal or any, anything

31:39

or I remember I was going through

31:41

an awful breakup and

31:43

I went, I walked, like

31:46

I was working with a friend of mine

31:48

in his room, like literally like bedroom piano,

31:51

he had this little beat and I'm going

31:53

around and we were like,

31:55

right, let's do a session. And that day I

31:57

was really having a bad day of it, but I was like, just go and just

31:59

show your face. because you promised, and like walked

32:01

into this room. And he was, and it was like, he'd

32:04

set up a mic in his room. And

32:07

he's like pressing play on his thing. And

32:09

he was like, because I walked in actually,

32:11

and I just burst into tears. And he's like, what the hell?

32:13

Why are you here? I was like, I'm just so, I can't.

32:15

He's like, right. We had a little chat, we had a little

32:17

cup of tea. And then he was like, right. So

32:20

that how about you just told me loads of stories, just

32:22

go and stand at the mic interesting. And

32:25

then we'll call it a day. And he's like, and then maybe we'll get

32:27

something, maybe we won't. He was like, just tell your story on the mic

32:29

instead of to me. So I just

32:31

went outside on my mic and like crying,

32:33

talking, singing, whatever I did. I did that.

32:36

And then he was like, cool, let's go get food. He was like,

32:38

let's just get it. We went and got food. I had a like,

32:40

he took my mind away from everything and got on with

32:42

my day. He then sent me this track

32:46

where he chopped up like

32:49

what I'd said song, whatever. And

32:51

like, that's how Take Me Home, like came together. It's

32:53

mad. But the other songs

32:55

were all completely different. So then it was like, yeah,

32:58

which was beautiful actually. But

33:01

yeah, that's how that one came. And then that actually,

33:04

I didn't play to my label until for

33:06

a while. And once I eventually

33:08

signed and then I did and I kind of went

33:10

back in and reworked it a bit with another producer

33:13

and stuff. But yeah,

33:15

that was a really mad journey. I'll

33:17

be there. Another cool story. A

33:20

friend of mine, songwriter Camille, I

33:23

don't know if you know about it, she's written millions of it. She

33:28

messaged me one day, this really

33:30

long message. We'd written a lot together, we

33:32

were like, cool. She was like, I just wanna say, I've

33:36

never properly like gone in on your album, my first record,

33:38

my first album. So I've never properly like gone in it,

33:40

but it's like, she was obviously going for it like a

33:42

really hard time or breakup, whatever she was going through. She

33:44

was like, your album's basically just like held my hand and

33:46

like, I can't like, I've never really listened to the lyrics

33:49

like I have now. And she was just like, thank you.

33:51

And just thank you for being there for me without being

33:53

there for me. And then

33:55

we got in the studio, I did like this

33:57

camp thing for my second album. And

34:00

she came down, I think, on the last day, and she

34:03

was in one of the rooms, and she

34:06

came and got me from another room and was like, hey,

34:08

can you come and listen to this thing? I just want

34:10

to see if you like it or whatever. And

34:12

she played the song, and she started like

34:14

the verse, and she had parts of the chorus and what have

34:16

you, and she was like, I want to work on it, finish it with

34:18

you. But it started, and it was like, when all the tears are

34:20

rolling on your face, wait, how does it go? When

34:23

all the tears are rolling on your face. And it

34:25

feels like yours is the only heartbreak, and then come

34:27

back home and all the lights are out. And

34:29

I was like, oh, I'll

34:31

be there. Two

34:35

million different keys just then. And

34:37

then I heard that, oh, I'll be there. And then

34:39

I always looked at her, and I was like, I

34:42

could just see a tear in her eye. And I

34:44

was like, Camille, she was like, this song's for

34:46

you. Thank you. And I was just like, I

34:49

think I just burst into tears. I was like, I

34:52

love it. It's like,

34:55

so you've just written this for me? And she's

34:57

like, yeah, like, do you love it? And

35:00

I was like, yeah, let's finish it. And then we got,

35:02

yeah, so like, that was a completely different experience. You

35:05

know, that song is there for so

35:07

many people. Yeah. And it was

35:09

there for me. And I was like, every time I sing that

35:11

song, I feel like it's a gift to me. It's

35:14

kind of mad. And I love it because it

35:16

means something. Yeah, it means, I mean,

35:18

a million different things that mean different people. But yeah,

35:20

what does it mean to you right now? It

35:25

means a lot, actually, because we've connected recently. And

35:28

it just reminds me of having

35:31

actually a supportive woman in the

35:33

industry. Like, who, yeah, at the

35:35

moment, it's like a celebratory

35:37

song for me. You

35:40

know, totally. Really

35:42

beautiful. Yeah. It's a

35:44

little bit different, basically. Every one has a different story.

35:46

Well, it would rather be to clean bandages kind of

35:48

say, hey, we want you to sing on this. Yeah.

35:51

And obviously they

35:53

approached where they had written a song,

35:55

actually, and the head of my label would send it to

35:58

me to my management. Listen

36:00

to M. I got this email know the

36:02

owner and let them are like I didn't

36:04

I just. As I know I never sung Someone

36:07

Else is on was really early on my i

36:09

was figure myself out. And then.

36:12

About said again. on on like

36:14

already. so it has his time

36:16

in his own lattices. weird signal,

36:18

his own like ice and then

36:20

of us is it again. And

36:22

I know that. Allah I got a

36:24

semi again we the voice know like desk

36:26

please I know and has listened to my

36:28

reasoning or yes it is going to meet the

36:30

guys that done this own and to sing

36:32

it's there's. No presages. Try like to open

36:35

your minds as we love this song. We

36:37

believe like a level or that cool if

36:39

I think ionising and there's no commitment or

36:41

this. I. Went and I

36:43

met Die from Lima. The and

36:45

alive I sang sung not hey

36:48

man as I. Say

36:51

is is a minute. We get very whenever a

36:53

good as a couple times and then yeah I

36:56

mean I said enough of it. As

36:58

it's. A one point. I.

37:01

Think lost a lot. Maybe the second time in the see. Down

37:03

we'd go at white and like we'd

37:06

go the finalized. It's.

37:09

Different hearing someone else sing a song

37:11

that you haven't written. And then

37:14

you're like, how do I. Forsee.

37:16

Like what's this about? By. It

37:18

says again as I used to sing a song and

37:20

tell a story as it's a storytelling zone. And

37:23

then as light as a how can I relay,

37:25

how can I. Make. This

37:27

mine but then it is quite

37:30

easily so. Light. It was

37:32

mine the minute I sang it. So.

37:34

I was out at his work since then,

37:36

when Mccain and then all that marketing. And

37:39

we got a be liar back moses on then and

37:41

we sunlight tais and. Go into the middle a a mind

37:43

is made it my in and in the it just. Clicked!

37:46

There's. Something there though like oh there's a

37:48

maybe. The common thread here is that the that

37:51

most popular songs you had. In. people

37:53

sing them and hear them it does

37:55

feel like there's league is feals yeah

37:57

super personal yes league series alum of

38:00

like personal ownership that goes over these

38:02

records because they're incredibly empowering. Yeah. There's,

38:05

I mean... I know, yeah. That's

38:07

a good one, yeah. I

38:09

don't know, I listen to your shit and

38:11

I cry. I mean, there's huge pop records

38:13

that you shouldn't be crying at. Yeah. But

38:15

you get super into your own mind, you

38:17

learn about yourself from thinking and... Yeah. I

38:19

don't know, there's so much deeper than, like,

38:21

if you listen, ones you may pick up.

38:23

Yeah. There's so much deeper. I

38:26

know, it is such a... It's

38:28

the one thing that... And

38:30

the one reason, like, I just never...

38:32

Like, because there has been times in the

38:34

past few years where I'm like... I really

38:36

feel like I have to just step out and like

38:38

say goodbye to it, because it does get to that

38:40

point, it has got to that point. And...

38:46

Like, even this conversation, for example, it just

38:48

like... It reassures you, it's like, ah, there's

38:50

a reason why you do this. One, for

38:52

me, I do it for myself and to

38:54

help my own mind and my own life

38:57

to be able to enjoy. But

38:59

also to get... For me,

39:02

obviously... Not obviously, actually, but my

39:04

way of communication and dealing with and

39:07

processing things for myself is writing. But

39:10

one of the most incredible things is that, like, what you're

39:12

saying. You listen to that song and it

39:14

makes you feel something. It teaches you

39:16

something and maybe about yourself, or it makes you

39:18

like... Questions something that

39:20

you're doing in a different way and maybe look at

39:22

it differently or... Whatever that

39:24

is, or it just makes you like feel

39:26

freaking amazing and just want to dance about

39:28

and like... Just scream it over

39:30

your lungs, or it just makes you want to like go into

39:32

yourself. And it's like, that's why I do it.

39:35

Like, I walk down the street and people come up to

39:37

me, you know, a lot. And

39:40

the one thing they say isn't like... It's

39:43

actually always thank you. It's

39:45

like a lot of it is thank you so much

39:47

for your music or I love your music. It's really

39:49

helped me. Don't Be So Hard On Your Self is

39:52

one of the Main ones. But I

39:54

Get, It's like, don't be so hard on yourself, save

39:56

my life. And I Can't tell you what I would

39:58

have done without that song. And It's like... Wow,

40:00

that's like a crazy statement by a

40:02

one of the most incredible things that

40:04

another somewhere you're talking to you li

40:07

says you're giving your Nissan's yourself and

40:09

where you clearly needs. Air and then it's

40:11

like at the best gift and the well as give

40:13

that to other people in. The nicely receive that

40:15

response is lights and that's why the me

40:17

that s and no matter how it comes

40:19

out, how to seeds or how well it

40:21

does a wherever. alleys, One person

40:24

like to that way and you've done it a job.

40:26

I think Thursday's help a ton of people as well.

40:28

Yeah yeah when you an answer to your daughter Ella

40:30

here in and the i mean I was just reading

40:32

the comments on that Everything you're saying for like this

40:34

on help me so much I wake up in the

40:36

morning I hate myself I wasn't assigned a mystical some

40:38

yeah I haven't No comment is crazy live as another

40:41

one at Cydia. Five. Remember to

40:43

love this Spike. That's the thing is,

40:45

I ought s I and my partner

40:47

within the performance at a Brit Awards

40:49

and twenty nineteen am. And.

40:52

It was as he praises I did that performance

40:54

and the reaction was lie over the Us I

40:56

take your mom made up of Wednesday's and it.

40:58

Was Ramos I had last my mom behind me to

41:01

in him a best mate the other side. And

41:03

last I did it with her

41:05

and I remember like. Centers

41:07

in that form as and then like. It.

41:09

Really really connected m and as much

41:11

as as remember coming to the states

41:13

not long after that performance and the

41:16

reacts and over here to that was

41:18

like. It. Really like just that

41:20

performance had connected on another level.

41:23

Just. Because it was like wow. How

41:25

come he decided to do that in his life?

41:27

Not that big of a thing. Batches? That's a

41:30

massive thing. Because we're light. We.

41:32

Don't knows he the that may fall

41:34

we don't like a lot of time

41:36

go out without my whole thing about

41:38

how he lyrical by dare to even

41:40

be like. I. Mean I think people

41:42

today it more now and light stiffen it back

41:44

and things like the bit more like. This.

41:47

Is me and I love that city. By.

41:49

Yeah, it was a fast moment of

41:51

lights. I made a statement. And it's

41:54

so light, really empowering and. I.

41:57

Like my favorite, For whom are livid online, sir.

42:00

I can think of. When.

42:02

You do have a summons like that and

42:04

you see and feel the impact due. To.

42:07

The push you in any one direction like

42:09

is a pushy to share more doesn't push

42:12

you do. I. Don't

42:14

know. Yet arrived at what would his

42:16

do? Either get off as he

42:18

did, he have a I think it makes me.

42:20

I'm I think they're not so nicely and

42:22

it on having that moment and then. I.

42:26

Guess like. I went

42:28

on the road and. Is.

42:30

Than those phase and like. To

42:32

hear that response. And.

42:34

And then you get your highlight your family

42:37

law as. And his life.

42:40

As. A validation. That you're not alone

42:42

assists and like is such a beautiful thing on

42:44

that's why I love rock music and the is

42:46

another reason why the new that method of of

42:49

walk away from it as it's like. A.

42:51

House a hand light is there sooner.

42:53

My war and it's one of the

42:55

things that teaches. He makes you feel

42:58

like. Pets you for your pays.

43:00

His gives you joy like allows you

43:02

to escape. The World and allows

43:04

you to like. Connects.

43:06

With the World says like is one of

43:08

the most incredible things and I think moments

43:10

that that reminds you. For

43:12

me says by though he wasn't adjusts

43:14

and all disciplines music is winning. see

43:17

one amazon he said he is it.

43:19

While free to wrap your mind around the fact

43:21

that rather, bees. Quite. Possibly unequivocally one

43:23

of the greatest pop songs of all time.

43:26

And it's on the lists. Of says

43:28

earnest ten year anniversary. Is as

43:30

while how. Cool. Is that? Like man? I? So

43:32

I did it yesterday. Really Yeah is

43:35

incredible. It's own way is on a list.

43:37

Of a lot less. Yeah,

43:39

I mean. Is. A freaking

43:41

amazing song and. Amazing

43:45

moment in time look as it was. When.

43:48

that some time i was like me

43:51

and sam's madison as you have isn't

43:53

it was like when collaborate in was

43:55

like became a thing is that the

43:57

beginning of that era really and It

44:00

was like I had all these

44:02

moments collaborating with artists and actually that was my fear.

44:05

It was like I'm a solo artist

44:07

and I was collaborating and I had all

44:09

these amazing records. And

44:11

then I was like, oh my God, like, oh my God, I

44:13

want to release my own one. Like, oh my gosh, I have

44:15

to do one of my own ASAP in case. Like, I

44:18

don't know why I ever feared it because,

44:21

you know, it's all about the belief system and

44:23

a great song or whatever. And like, I really,

44:25

you know, but yeah,

44:27

it's mad. I do believe America failed

44:29

you though. They sure did.

44:32

I really believe that. Oh, that's sad. And I

44:34

would tell you. I mean,

44:36

I've told the people at your old label that all come. Yeah. No,

44:39

do you know what? It's one of those

44:41

things where I look at it and like, I

44:43

mean, look, I appreciate you even acknowledging

44:45

that. It's hard because of the journey

44:47

that I was on and the lack

44:51

of attention, maybe to detail at certain

44:53

times, which people didn't know how to

44:56

guide correctly or like take

44:58

the opportunity to like, you

45:00

know, really go there. But

45:04

you know what? Like, everything happens when it's

45:06

meant to happen. And I feel like

45:08

I'm on the right journey right now. And so cool. Do

45:11

you know what I mean? Hell yeah. Yeah. America

45:13

won't fail me this time around. There's

45:17

a whole other album to release. There's way

45:19

more time. And also, like,

45:21

you're an incredible musician and the art

45:23

you create is timeless and it will find

45:25

the audience it needs to find. Exactly. And

45:28

I think that's the thing, like, the

45:31

journey that I've been on and that's like, you know,

45:33

I've done a lot of work on myself. I've been

45:35

in therapy. I've had like some crazy things happen. I

45:37

like lost a friend really tragically and it's changed my

45:40

whole outlook on life. And I think it's

45:42

just that you go through so many things in

45:44

your life that challenge and we all have our own

45:46

things, whatever that may be. But you never know what

45:48

someone's going through. And you never know, like, the

45:51

extent of whatever. And it's like just

45:53

learning to be so grateful

45:55

to like be here, to be able to do

45:57

what you do. And also, like you say,

45:59

it's like. Music will find its audience and

46:01

it's like, look, don't get me wrong. I put

46:03

pressure on myself. I doubt myself. I have my

46:05

moments. I freak out and then I'm excited or

46:08

I have it's like the crazy rollercoaster of our

46:10

job. But ultimately, it's like

46:12

the audience will be found and the moment will be.

46:16

Lost in grief is really hard. Yeah. I

46:18

am so sorry for your loss. Yeah,

46:20

no, it's like mental. But, you know, like. Again,

46:24

it's like that was a

46:27

tragic time and it happened

46:29

easily time. Whilst everything was changing in my

46:31

life. But

46:33

I can like at least I can talk about now, do

46:36

you know what I mean? And I can just accept and I'm

46:38

like and I put that into my music and into my life

46:41

and it just gives me a passion for life because you

46:43

never know what's around the corner and what can happen. You

46:45

just got to appreciate every day you get. That's really true.

46:47

Like you really do. It's like really

46:49

do. It's hard. Like losing

46:51

your friend is hard. Yeah, it is hard. Losing

46:53

somebody who matters to you and think about us

46:55

is really hard. No, it is really hard. And

46:57

it's like I don't wish that on anyone. But

47:00

she was the most incredible person in my

47:03

life. And she taught me so much about

47:05

myself and was with me for years in

47:08

my career. And she

47:10

always just taught me to be me. And

47:13

that's the one thing I've been freaking

47:15

standing by since she's left is like, be

47:18

me, trust your gut and just freaking go for

47:20

it. And that's exactly what she would have wanted.

47:22

Yeah, exactly. So yeah,

47:24

she's around. She's in her thing. You

47:26

can feel her, right? Always. I really

47:28

do. And especially like now more than ever,

47:30

there's moments I'm like, rah. And she was

47:33

a wild one. So like

47:35

she knows that it was actually a really kind

47:37

of emotional moment, actually doing the going to the

47:39

Brits the other day, because

47:41

that's where we had our first. She

47:44

was my hairstylist. And like that was our

47:46

first thing that we did together was my

47:48

first Brit Awards performance in 2016 or

47:50

2015. Wow. Yeah.

47:54

And I mean, I'd met her briefly before, but that

47:56

was our first moment of actually putting

47:58

our creativity together. It

48:00

was a huge hair. So

48:02

going to Britain this year was quite like, this

48:05

is weird. But,

48:08

and it wasn't planned, but like she always

48:10

had like this bright pink hair, and I

48:12

just ended up happening to wear like this

48:14

designer standing around dressed me and designed this

48:16

amazing dress, bright pink. And it was

48:19

like really weird coincidental. But I was like,

48:21

oh she's here. She's around me. She's on me.

48:24

Yeah, she's around. That's beautiful. Yeah,

48:26

it is beautiful. The Brits are cool. I

48:29

feel like they don't get enough respect either. America

48:32

doesn't really, I don't know. I want to see

48:34

Ray get more respect. I love her. Ray? Yeah,

48:36

Ray, you know. She just won like, she, yeah.

48:38

And Brits or something, right? She's

48:41

having an amazing moment. Do you know what?

48:43

It was such an incredible moment actually for

48:45

me. I got to present her with

48:47

an award at the Brits. And I've

48:49

known her for years. She was like

48:52

doing her thing and working with my really good friend

48:54

Jin who I write on my songs with. I

48:56

was going on tour, on my first tour, and

48:59

I was like, Ray, come on tour with me. And

49:01

she was my support act and it was the first

49:03

support tour she'd like ever done. And it was like

49:06

really amazing actually to

49:08

stand on that stage and then just see her

49:10

like at that stage of like, she's been

49:12

fighting the fight and she's been working so

49:15

damn hard. And to be able to be

49:17

like, yeah, I just remember hugging her and

49:19

I was like, this is your moment. She

49:21

was like, oh my God, you my perp?

49:23

And it's like, yeah, but you know

49:25

what? Like to be able to like have

49:27

moments like that with artists, especially as females

49:29

because they like really try to pick up

49:31

the games you love. But to be able

49:33

to have that and like be so like,

49:36

yeah, I always knew you were like worthy,

49:38

always knew. I always believed in her. Like,

49:40

and I'm so happy for her. She's amazing.

49:42

She is incredible. Really like an

49:45

incredible one of the once in

49:47

a generation talent. I feel really great.

49:49

She is really great. But you are

49:51

too. The UK reads some amazing, amazing

49:53

artists. Yeah, we do. We

49:55

definitely do. And it's like it's crazy like

49:58

All around the world. There's such incredible art.

50:00

isn't say like. Is so difficult

50:02

for everyone. To have their moon and said

50:04

make noise and to be in that region I

50:06

mean am I will I had try and and

50:09

has landed in a thing and spite you say

50:11

lights disease eyes over here Yamanaka as well in

50:13

your life Such a fan did I mean says

50:15

like. It are signs lay

50:17

if is meant to be. It translates. I'll tell

50:19

the world is here so fucked up

50:21

on discloses this I also tone call

50:23

to forty came in are like there's

50:25

all these artist playing arenas stadiums other

50:27

just going to be playing arenas and

50:29

said yeah. Piece

50:31

of the. Dow. Are movie

50:34

I will be as a thing

50:36

is happening. Not on that the

50:38

plank of wood Yes. It's when

50:40

has his time round and gonna be

50:42

like anything like that is very different.

50:45

Is dance music with you always want to do. I.

50:48

Think it was like as something

50:50

that. Definitely. Selling for

50:52

my lap a little bit? I wouldn't sas. Thrived

50:54

for it at the beginning by a

50:56

kind of like. Like. Rather be

50:58

caymans live in his life I have. I'm

51:01

like the biggest pop. San. My

51:03

her love for me is to say like.

51:05

Is. Not unusual.lie I went straight into that

51:08

world or wherever like a muscle that

51:10

going on that law and it's like

51:12

when I did rather the it just

51:14

as. Like. Get his make sense

51:16

in eyes and then my oh man am

51:18

I am I oh the reckless that then

51:20

slice of followed as it was like scared

51:22

us pass me. And yeah

51:24

because then you also release acoustic version of

51:27

all the songs. So good so they can

51:29

serve who and the me to like. sometimes

51:31

you hear the song differently. Yeah for the

51:33

record I really saw say a friend of

51:35

mine and my as like easy listens that

51:37

of as an hour and and listens it

51:39

as he's like my favorite. As good as

51:41

the accused him as an ideal consists of

51:43

it. But. As like

51:45

I had a song and it makes

51:47

me so. Something so like Elevate his

51:50

i live in Seattle Record doesn't cysts

51:52

by love the record but for me

51:54

as life and I always like to

51:56

offer that. Energy.

51:58

to people cause that's why our him I

52:00

always hear those like other versions. I don't know

52:02

why how are you writing it to or like

52:04

are you crafting it to a beat? Are you

52:06

writing into a always write? Okay, yeah, so

52:09

I think that's why and then I hear

52:11

it and I'm so passionate about like

52:13

feeling and like Musicians here

52:15

and like I love just like me

52:17

in a piano I love it and like backing

52:19

vocals and just like raw like Amy

52:21

one house is like one of my favorite

52:23

artists ever, right? and just

52:26

hearing her sing like Really

52:28

stripped back which it always was like my favorite

52:30

thing in the world like that

52:33

that for me like hearing Law and

52:36

Hill unplugged like and she Like

52:39

nothing's better than that But is that the sign

52:41

of a great story when you can strip it

52:43

back to absolutely nothing and it's still Yeah,

52:47

I think that's like why did it because

52:49

for me like when I write The

52:52

one thing that's so important to me is like as long

52:54

as this sounds incredible Just me

52:56

and guitar just me and piano we're good But

52:59

if it doesn't I can't do it. You

53:01

remember the first song you ever wrote Yeah

53:11

I was like maybe 16

53:16

and I

53:20

Was singing at something I can't remember what I did

53:22

but I'd met this guy's

53:24

like a producer and he was working with I don't

53:26

know He's like I don't know record a song and

53:28

being all like cool and I was like, all right.

53:30

Yeah And then do this

53:32

and it was like the most it was like

53:36

I can't actually remember it right now. I've definitely

53:39

got it on my lap one of my

53:41

laptop somewhere and it was like about like

53:44

Shake your hip. I'm a walk like

53:47

look at me. There's a like And

53:50

I remember there's this other song which is like

53:52

my say like but actually doesn't like a collaboration

53:54

He thinks I do this guy's like weird and

53:57

then like there was like another song that actually wrote and

53:59

it was like Yeah,

54:02

horrendous. When I think about it,

54:04

like, ah, love, dance,

54:07

because my hits, I just like all of

54:09

that stuff, just like talking about nonsense. Do

54:12

you remember the first time you wrote a good song or

54:14

something that you thought could be good? Yeah.

54:17

Or do you think those songs are good? Nah.

54:20

I just remember that. I mean, I think at the

54:22

time that the first proper song I did

54:24

in recording on my own that I'm just like, I really want

54:27

to find it. I remember the

54:29

melody because it was just hilarious.

54:31

But it might come to me.

54:33

But I did at the time think that one was good,

54:35

yeah. And I was like, God,

54:37

I've written this song and recorded it. Wow. And then

54:39

I was like, yeah. But like,

54:42

we were young, so anything probably sounded good. I

54:44

get that. But I do remember writing a song and

54:48

being like, oh, this is decent. I

54:52

remember writing this song called Story. It

54:54

was like, this is my story. One

54:56

that I get to tell you, don't

54:58

find me. You better be yourself. And

55:00

I remember writing that and thinking, oh,

55:02

this is a song. This actually means

55:04

something. I've written a

55:06

song that actually means something. Where'd it go? So,

55:09

no, it's like sitting in the cloud somewhere. I don't

55:12

have a clue. But I mean, I still love it.

55:14

I remember performing it like, and I

55:16

first started like doing shows and stuff and I

55:18

had songs. But

55:21

yeah, funny. Maybe you'll make

55:23

an appearance one day. You

55:26

think rolling would sound good acoustic? You were

55:28

saying that? Rolling. Yeah. Yeah. With a guitar.

55:30

Sounds great. Does it? Yeah. Wait, how

55:32

does rolling go? This ain't

55:35

the way I'm rolling. Yeah, sounds

55:37

good. Oh, that does

55:40

sound good. Because the production is so important

55:42

in that song. But you know what? No,

55:44

it's wrong. It's just like, bing,

55:46

ding, ding. Yeah. Yeah, no,

55:49

it's fine. Oh, that's great. Yeah. So

55:51

everything written to guitar or piano. Yeah,

55:53

everything. Yeah. Sick. Listen to

55:55

Jess. It's waiting for you on Amazon Music. There's a link

55:58

below. Also, listen to all of Jess Glenn's It's

56:00

fucking incredible and worth your time and you may

56:02

have heard most of the songs on there already

56:05

So listen again all on Amazon music. What are

56:07

you thinking was Jess always the name for this

56:09

album? No What

56:12

was the original? What

56:15

was the original Do

56:17

you know what I'm never gonna tell you what the original is because

56:19

it's like one of those things I'm like, I'm really glad I

56:21

didn't call it that and I don't want it going anywhere but

56:25

you know what like When

56:28

I basically had like got deeper into

56:30

the record and like and actually

56:32

when I met Sarah my

56:34

manager and we had this like first kind

56:36

of like right Listening

56:39

to music talking whatever. I just remember

56:41

her being like Why

56:44

isn't your album called Jess like

56:46

what the fuck and I was like I

56:51

was like calm down. I've already got a title.

56:53

She was like, I'm just saying like it's yours

56:55

like do your thing however This

56:58

is all I'm saying think about it And

57:01

you know what? I hate being told or

57:03

I hate like I've always got a story

57:05

cuz like my album's always come from Like

57:07

a title so I like both of my

57:09

titles of the previous albums I've had early

57:11

on and that's been the messaging of the

57:13

album and then it's like she

57:15

threw that at me And I was like

57:17

and I don't want to talk about it and then it sat with

57:19

me for ages and the more I got Into it the more I

57:21

was like, oh, you know what? This is

57:24

me like what like better way

57:26

to like actually kind of

57:28

present this record And

57:30

it's not about server I'm

57:32

gonna call out of jail So

57:35

that I told you Every

57:41

year with you I need to know

57:43

Francis you somewhere like like

57:46

stop I Want

57:49

to listen to the full thing we have we're gonna

57:51

get it. We're gonna give it to you We'll get

57:54

you a link on it. Yeah. Well listen to Jess.

57:56

It's waiting for you now on Amazon music final thoughts

57:58

Nope, so glad you came in We all love

58:00

you. Thank you so much for having me. I

58:03

really appreciate it. Please come back. I will you

58:05

Really are such a gift and you're gonna be coming to

58:08

my arena show I

58:10

mean don't worry. I'll

58:12

be there. I'll be boobs to bear God

58:18

really you man high most fucking

58:20

record hmm. Don't forget it.

58:22

Yeah, don't forget it Just

58:25

gonna everybody Thank you so much

58:30

You