0:00

a lot of of people like a because the business is

0:02

a lifestyle business, i'm not gonna

0:04

grow fast i might not make a lot of money, but it's

0:06

be more lifestyle focused they're not mutually exclusive

0:08

so can have a large business

0:10

and be location, independent,

0:12

and have a lifestyle focus wonderful

0:13

a guests

0:16

today, neil paraak who helps

0:19

people run their local businesses

0:21

completely remotely and

0:23

travel the world and

0:24

in fact he

0:25

did that for himself, he could have court

0:27

travel to thirty five countries over

0:29

five years in built a local location

0:32

depending

0:32

yes you are that right dependent

0:34

business that generated over ten million

0:36

dollars in sales all while living the nomadic

0:40

lifestyle and although

0:41

it may sound counter into

0:43

the have to sama

0:45

neil makes a strong case for starting

0:48

a local business and making it look

0:50

an independent how do you do that well

0:54

that is a big topic in today's

0:56

interview neil built up his company made

0:58

this which is a work from anywhere cleaning

1:00

franchise focus on vacation rentals

1:03

and he did it all while he was backpacking

1:06

and traveling in hostels doing

1:08

that whole thing in fact he doubled his business

1:10

in that first year of he talks about that

1:12

he gets into a ton of

1:14

lessons around building

1:16

a location dependent location

1:19

in the pen

1:19

the business including

1:21

why it's easier to compete on

1:23

the local level wise consider starting

1:26

are growing a local business his

1:28

to pay criteria for choosing a successful

1:30

local business that can be run remotely

1:32

why having the mentality making

1:34

the is remote is so critical how we overcame

1:36

some of the challenges around the things

1:39

that are required of him to be

1:40

persona we get niels

1:42

take on following your passion

1:44

starting a business

1:46

based on an opportunity or potential in

1:48

com and player lessons

1:50

here to get you off and running

1:52

and gimme some ideas and perspectives

1:54

on creating on creating

1:57

remote business and their way to do it and i'm a travel

1:59

side

1:59

we cover plenty of other stuff to force his

2:02

life as a recovering no matter what it's like

2:04

to up and your nomad idea

2:05

it is universal lessons he learned from

2:07

surviving on

2:08

hazard island for three days alone

2:10

why neil got kidnapped on purpose

2:13

the biggest benefit of learning survival

2:15

the old however ability to normalize anything is

2:17

humans

2:17

and empower you to build an unconventional

2:20

lifestyle and so

2:22

much more plus i'm sure little bit of my experience

2:24

running a tiny local business

2:26

local my own back in the day

2:29

not too long ago and my number one take

2:31

away

2:32

that i got from that something to leave

2:34

you with it the end of this interview plus

2:37

only give a shoutout to somebody in this listening community

2:39

whose gap year he

2:41

leading into something more

2:44

and she has little bit of advice

2:46

to share with you as well so

2:47

all bad happening

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right now being

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your bottle of strap in

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welcome to the here in trouble podcast

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he was a turtle podcast where we exploit

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hey what's up is jason here with your to

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on sentences and afford a long as we're

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thinking wasn't for abuse or anything like that

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i'm actually a visiting my inlaws here here

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rural norway rural norway

3:49

i just took a trip with my

3:51

family over to sweden this is a popular

3:53

thing to do here and and kind of a funny

3:55

thing because well i guess

3:58

funny just didn't know it was i just until i

4:00

move to norway but apparently

4:03

certain , are bit more affordable in

4:06

sweden in my in laws live not

4:08

too far from the border about a thirty minute

4:10

drive and another another

4:12

minutes after that to get to the small town called

4:14

eager and they and

4:17

a grocery store place

4:20

where you can buy beer it's all much cheaper

4:22

and cheaper lot of norwegians cross the

4:24

border to by bunch

4:26

of stuff in sweden mostly

4:28

alcohol and certain foods

4:31

that you can't get here and things like that ah

4:33

and

4:34

come back so yeah had a of

4:36

rap with a reindeer meats and

4:39

some coffee and we do some shopping and

4:41

was all good and

4:43

are just

4:44

one little travel experience for me and

4:46

i know it's normal for them growing up to dispel

4:49

to over to sweden and in by some stuff but

4:51

for me

4:52

what

4:54

experience you know school

4:56

take a drive and then you see it you're in a new

4:58

country and you got a new flag and just

5:01

, cool anyway so that's what i did today what do

5:03

you up to hope you're doing well well

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first little bit more about this interview

5:38

with neo he reached out and i

5:41

bought this was a really interesting

5:43

and different the hague because

5:45

when we look at the digital nomad

5:48

landscape and remote

5:50

work particularly work particularly in the nomad seen

5:54

it seems like if you've done any research

5:56

has been in that bubble at all a

5:59

lot of the same time the businesses show

6:01

up people talk about online businesses

6:03

and drop , or

6:05

blogging are starting an amazon

6:07

f b a business and all these things things

6:11

neo doesn't teach any of that

6:13

in fact he's sharing his experience building

6:16

his own local business

6:18

and running it remotely and

6:20

he actually helps people do that over

6:22

as podcast he's the host of the

6:25

remote a local podcast and you can

6:27

check that out to be remote local dot com

6:29

wanted to give him a shout out there a because

6:33

there's a ton of information here and

6:36

i really think podcast like this can be

6:38

helpful for everybody whether

6:40

you're an entrepreneur or

6:43

not or you think you may never

6:45

start a business or you run

6:47

your own business now

6:49

you never know what life's gonna throw out you i

6:51

like to have as

6:53

many sort of perspectives and ideas

6:56

as i can

6:58

around generating income from anywhere i

7:00

just think it's a good thing to

7:03

know and to be aware of and

7:05

sometimes conversations like this spark

7:08

new ideas and even if you

7:11

don't think you're going to do anything with it right now you never

7:13

know if you might in the future of

7:15

course that's only about half of this

7:17

interview with folks on the business stuff we also get

7:19

and travel experiences and his

7:22

his nomad like

7:22

things like that so the royal are packed in here

7:25

and stick around

7:26

after the interview like i mentioned

7:28

that the top i'm going to share my number

7:30

one the take away

7:32

from running a small little side hustle

7:34

local

7:35

the news and what i learned

7:38

from that just little personal take away i

7:41

will first leave you with a quote from my favorite

7:43

philosophers today one that always gives

7:45

me a lot of perspective

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, my life and

7:49

, surprise for you little preview

7:52

sneak preview of you will have next week's podcast

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the interview

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we've been in contact throughout

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her journey who traveling

9:30

the world and i'm really excited

9:32

for her and she had some advice to share with you

9:35

so i thought that i would give her this

9:37

shoutout

9:39

in addition what's from kristoff

9:41

a crystal she says hi jason to drop

9:43

and say hello it's belt four months into my gap

9:45

year of on home for a few weeks visiting

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family and friends and just listen

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it goes fast

9:53

goes on to say that listening brought her back

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to few years

9:57

ago when quote i commuted

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work for an hour and back while religiously

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listening to your show now i'm actually living

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it was feel so sorry op

10:06

i wanted to encourage your listeners who are hesitant

10:09

to jump in and follow their dreams to just

10:11

do it it's so worth it in changes your entire

10:13

life perspective i saw the northern lights

10:15

in canada spent five weeks island hopping

10:17

and

10:17

i've been two months backpacking in mexico

10:20

believe and i'm off in a

10:22

few weeks to ecuador the galapagos and

10:24

camping in the amazon i was planning on traveling

10:26

for

10:26

you're going back to the quote real world get

10:29

a house settle down still travel but be

10:31

more adult thing now i realize

10:33

there's no way at least not now

10:35

i'm already planning on traveling with my dog working

10:37

remotely and exploring the state after my gap

10:39

year and possibly moment of why for few years

10:42

you are so right when he said the travel changes your perspective

10:45

and life course and for the better

10:47

this wasn't your podcast brought me back twenty twenty

10:50

when i was driving saving and working

10:52

and saving some more it's one of the thank you

10:54

feel so

10:55

real the fast forward two years later

10:57

and actually live out the thing i've been working so

10:59

hard for keep on rocking

11:01

crystal and i want to say congrats

11:03

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want to share this because these stories inspire

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me hope they inspire you coming right

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from listening community and crystal

11:13

if we worked hard

11:15

this

11:17

and same and

11:18

the took the gap year now turning into much more

11:20

and you never know whether to gap year gap

11:22

months what a

11:24

commitment to travel

11:26

can do for you

11:27

and what it can do for your life so just

11:29

another reminder for

11:32

however the power of

11:34

travel to take us

11:36

a new path to change our lives

11:39

unexpected ways

11:41

speaking of that let's get into

11:43

the interview the day you

11:46

know neil taking

11:48

this remote work approach

11:51

to his local business really changed

11:53

his life put him out on the road for

11:55

years and

11:57

doing something that you'll hear a lot about

11:59

which to

11:59

wanted to bring em on the show she's going to bring

12:02

his wisdom advice to you today now

12:04

in this interview stick around on the other side

12:07

wrap up in the things i mentioned before

12:10

an aussie other

12:27

wow i'm really excited to welcome

12:29

neill park to the show who

12:32

is sipping on something over there exists early morning

12:34

in california when you drink and a

12:36

highly caffeinated t to make sure i could wake

12:39

up ssssss nice

12:41

about twenty cups of coffee in which

12:43

most people can guess they listen to this show so

12:45

anyway welcome man har yeah ah

12:48

of a side a beer man it's

12:50

, it's always nice covenant shows like

12:53

travel related especially postcode where i

12:55

get like my juices pumped up to go travel

12:57

again so i'm so to and yeah

12:59

are you are you gearing up to travel again

13:01

or what's again or plan ah after

13:04

june of hobby take off her a while

13:06

i kind of in abs your get it i kind of stopped

13:08

know matting obviously when the cove it happened

13:11

as they have a nice big settled in one place

13:13

for while i got a lease and everything and if he was

13:15

so low streets the beginning but i'm enjoy the

13:17

up and i'll say it seem to like the go

13:20

spoiler a bit more so gearing up to

13:22

that offer a few months at least yes

13:24

we're definitely going to get into that because i think i read

13:26

somewhere you are a recovering nomad

13:28

and that's what i do i know it's it's

13:30

a it's tough tough of adjust

13:33

to the non nomadic life it's

13:35

a whole it's it's completely changing your

13:37

lifestyle right so

13:39

yeah it's a weird shit of lifestyle

13:41

plus like in some ways identity change which is harder

13:44

right is that's what you mean do in for a long time analysts

13:46

on the shift as of nowhere so yep

13:48

dudley tough and since transition for lot of people

13:51

i think the identity shift part is

13:53

a big part of the learning process coming

13:56

off the road least for me

13:58

it was we have we have to

13:59

about because you

14:02

your daughter successful location

14:04

dependent location independent businesses

14:06

that amount false and

14:09

this was a different take because

14:11

well i want to get to the pros and cons of that

14:13

and of course the nomad lifestyle

14:16

and and why you are sort of recovering and

14:18

the our budget hips around all of that

14:20

but i want to start with

14:23

your ability to survive on a desert

14:25

island ff

14:27

, ff is rather yeah

14:30

man this looks so cool know

14:32

it's cool know to get tom on on

14:35

the pocket so just

14:36

the to get people can people background of

14:38

what i'm talking about and then i really want to dig

14:40

into this is yet a whole long

14:42

twitter thread about it that i mean you could say

14:44

maybe went a little viral i thought it was an

14:46

interesting allow her to get it lessens out

14:48

there

14:49

yeah yeah give everyone a quick backgrounds

14:51

i see side of a couple years

14:53

ago by i met a guy named tom were traveling

14:56

to both of us know and he

14:59

, a company called as island survivor where

15:01

they to you on survival expeditions and

15:03

stranger desert island i castaway

15:06

it isn't i grew up as we pay for that's your vacation

15:08

that's why they get like the two questions

15:10

i get is like hook they

15:13

paying you for this or like what what are you doing

15:16

any other ones like are you crazy at south

15:19

at biker up pretty much watching movies

15:21

all the time the time a my parents as the rental

15:23

stores grown it's all like as a

15:25

cast wayne all these movies of course my mind

15:27

i just want to i want to recreate that great

15:30

so i heard about this i signed up and what

15:32

it is is pretend

15:34

a year on the island the first few days where

15:36

the guy in the a trained of how to survive and

15:38

as everything from like the make fire

15:41

how to build shelter how to find this

15:44

everything , that and the last days

15:46

you're in isolation or survival were just

15:48

by yourself and use have to survive basically

15:51

ah and in ah and eating everything from like

15:53

snails tiguan as to like stingrays

15:55

dislike try to survive

15:58

ah and this is so outside of what

15:59

normally do our by love the challenge

16:02

of there and saw it was just

16:03

that makes me as i got back

16:05

the weeks ago and i'm still eating from the bug bites

16:08

ah but it was it was incredible as of animal

16:11

yeah i should link to this twitter

16:13

threat because odds of highlights

16:15

one thing you said he said within a couple days being

16:17

on the island i was running around at night with a wooden spear

16:19

hunting fishing iguanas climbing up coconut

16:22

trees with a machete speeding and washing

16:24

everything in the ocean the crazy part this felt

16:26

completely normal within only to budapest

16:29

assess any were bring up the point

16:31

of humans being able to normalize anything

16:33

in a very

16:34

manner and being adaptable and

16:36

there were a lot of other lessons in there that i feel

16:38

like you pulled out upon reflection

16:41

on experience i wanted to hear what some of those lessons

16:43

were for you and dig a little bit into that

16:45

whole experience absolutely man so

16:49

, was can like we talked about if we can normalize

16:51

anything and i think this relates to travel thing

16:53

to slice of the literally anything in life

16:55

but let's all give an example the desert island

16:58

like you said up with any comedy is any comedy doing stuff

17:00

which i would never have dreamed of the week before

17:03

like yours is in like i was running

17:05

around with wouldn't be as a nighttime like catching

17:08

starve a just like eating anything that moved

17:10

and it was ridiculous i kind of realized

17:12

like a while we are incredibly

17:14

doctor was those was one where yeah

17:17

you pretty good against waste new not dragon react

17:20

just do it and you'll be surprised that you mining

17:22

hundred is takes over as even people listening hurl

17:24

expiring nomad you want to go travel

17:26

you worried about you know this is not what i do i

17:28

don't stay a hostels i don't backpacks i

17:30

promise you you will become used to it way

17:32

quicker than you think isis humans

17:35

adaptability that something which was very

17:37

parents on the island just

17:40

under ten situation of situation of different what

17:42

it was from norm i realized like

17:44

while we're incredibly adaptable than

17:48

the other big adjacent for me was like does

17:50

understanding everything's a wants the

17:52

need and , was very humbling for me

17:54

to cannot figure out and lot of it is cause

17:57

when you survival mode you are living

17:59

others for things like are you need is

18:02

for things fire shelter water

18:04

and food

18:04

that's all you need for and then you could survive i'm

18:07

so we're kind of grind down to

18:09

the bare bones version one

18:11

of those needs and ,

18:13

when you live in inversion one of those needs for

18:16

a while you realize like all you want his version

18:18

one you don't like version to end up is like

18:21

a instead of sleeping other hand maybe you upgrades

18:23

like some sort of caught

18:25

right and like i didn't even care about that other

18:27

added that that sounds like a luxury i really don't

18:29

need that is the the basic version one of it see

18:32

gotta realize the law that things we want in life and the being

18:34

later versions of the bear for

18:36

necessities fire shelter water

18:38

and food and you don't i felt we needed to survive

18:41

be survive on the first

18:42

level before things that okay i'm

18:45

said actually makes things a lot the easier

18:48

i guess you preach eight the other things

18:50

more new kind of realize i can all of that to want

18:52

you don't really need to survive and and that's

18:54

okay yeah and then

18:57

it gravy are you homeless have to strip it down

18:59

to that level on experience it

19:01

it for a while until you

19:03

can come to that realization like it's it's easy

19:06

to take , things around

19:08

us for granted sometimes right but next

19:10

thing you know when the it's very visceral when you're you know sleeping

19:12

in the sand and sans getting in your mouth and you're hungry

19:14

and thirsty and you got nothing to eat and you're running

19:16

around with a spear try to get your food here

19:19

like oh want and need lot

19:21

as a society attack us

19:23

as a separate now they're wiping

19:28

the adaptability part is adaptability part really

19:30

huge point on a lot of levels too

19:32

because you know

19:34

if you're not getting the support around you

19:36

to become an entrepreneur or

19:39

to go traveling

19:41

assorted know my life or whatever it's

19:43

whatever good thing to remember that people the

19:45

people around you will adapt as

19:47

well to this new reality if you decide to

19:49

do it in your like your parents don't approve or whatever

19:51

will guess what

19:53

everybody will adapt

19:55

the to the new situation and

19:57

probably quicker than you think they might not like it

20:00

you know for a little while but yeah

20:02

, like just moves on in every

20:04

kind of in there and wrote it to begin with right

20:07

so take he knows if you might think

20:09

on the outside like others lot of people there's lot of pressure

20:11

not to do something like you said

20:13

people that people move on they're doing their on things

20:15

their on their heads it doesn't really the adder

20:18

to lot of people in the long run so again

20:20

it's you have this kind of support

20:22

growing up but as far as the lifestyle that

20:24

you've led oh what was your sort

20:26

of values growing up for what it was

20:29

active you i guess if anything yes

20:31

, i'm indian bad industry suffers

20:33

generation me my parents immigrated from

20:35

india rear and add additional

20:38

not sure if you know ally i

20:40

think did you grow up in denver article

20:43

out yeah i grew up as a philly okay okay

20:45

as i saw that you're in colorado for while and

20:48

, so so of you know much about the immigration

20:51

population in the tower the in the united states but

20:53

a lot of people migrated in the seventies eighties

20:55

and still continuously and lot

20:57

of their mindset is just survives

21:00

right like you can we the country have no money you're like

21:02

okay it's hard to get a job cause of my

21:04

education or accent or whatever like let me

21:06

just are my business and just hustle and that was

21:08

very much my parents they came here now

21:11

much money and just also to and all they cared

21:13

about was surviving and and when

21:15

they had kids i think had lot of that

21:17

survival mentality carried on of like the

21:20

i do realize people ordered appetizers

21:22

i restaurants and those normal thing oh

21:25

if i would try to word soda my parents make are you kidding

21:27

me when i could order so it i like woody woody crazy

21:29

would have that luxury rights as it's very

21:31

most a mindset of unix coming right

21:33

and survive so lot of in

21:37

immigrant he me with a mentality and where they pass

21:39

onto the kids is a go graduate

21:41

college go get a stable job in

21:43

a go become dr engineer

21:46

lawyer or something and just survive

21:48

in this country making money on even

21:50

don't h crazy risks screen land

21:53

of opportunity and you can to describe from years that

21:55

was a lot of what was instilled in me to begin with so

21:59

getting to your question

22:00

when i decided to go out and traveling can

22:03

a decrease experiences i wasn't doing that

22:05

before his work in finance i worked in private equity

22:07

for few years

22:08

it was a lucrative job i was on a good

22:10

career path and i said hey i'm

22:12

the that is crazy podcast and i really

22:14

really feel inspired though i go travel let

22:16

me quit everything in get a bag back and get a columbia

22:19

and of course appearance like are you crazy year

22:21

on such a great career path won't while to throw

22:23

that away to do this

22:25

the

22:26

and i got lucky where they were never pushy

22:29

they never told me you can't or can't you have

22:31

to do something so they can adjust they

22:33

were scared internally and voiced some of

22:35

their fears ah but then i still went

22:37

for it now think the an incredibly

22:40

proud i was traveling out of country for about

22:42

five years bouncing around though

22:44

my business skilled it turned into a franchise

22:47

and kind of kept growing you from there and

22:49

only recently as recently as when i started to

22:51

do the couple of these little

22:53

bit crazy or experiences like last year i

22:55

did

22:56

i got kidnapped on purpose at some point

22:58

for a have such

23:01

as we're not even as an island thing was your

23:04

vi

23:06

ability just keep gov when you do want as as i

23:08

don't pops up me like okay guess at how into

23:10

it's like that movie the game except the

23:13

exactly because i still does it seal

23:15

i mean tell me that story so

23:18

east seventy two i

23:21

a buddy of mine from the dc

23:24

ab test me he's a yeah you wanna get kidnapped

23:26

next month now they are to talking about the

23:28

yes i get that lacks like every we're a

23:30

man as wanna get kidnapped next month maybe

23:34

, maybe the following month might get allergies metics

23:36

what's reschedule the rain check on our our

23:39

what it was it was i'm a military course

23:42

on a guy who runs it which to teach special

23:44

forces hey when you get into a situation

23:46

i'd have country and you maggie kidnapped

23:49

this is how to handle it this is what to do like you the

23:51

government classes of this is what to do i'm

23:53

so you hear me and like

23:55

a few with entrepreneurs who went to discoursing

23:57

he convinced the guy to train it to civilians

24:00

am i think about like he of these military guy training

24:03

you he a bunch of like nerdy entrepreneurs

24:05

in the room i try to soak of knowledge and a guy's

24:07

not like who who are what's your se o julian

24:10

letting us know your run an area which recipe

24:13

when recipe when this this get in a guard

24:17

the usually to optimize your kidnapping

24:20

like maybe outsource to his yea at a really know

24:25

anyways we we were there and the first few

24:27

days was like training on what to do

24:29

and it was like you'd have to learn how to pick pick

24:32

locks had a good at of situations

24:34

and love the training was like situations

24:36

i'm never going to be and rights than chartered as

24:39

they're gay or your to country or

24:41

the government falls this entire military coup

24:43

you behind barbed wire fence dogs are common as you

24:45

what do you do

24:46

mike

24:48

we have a recipient the situation

24:50

like what already to notice for , go

24:52

through this ridiculous training and the last a simulation

24:55

and was yeah she get kidnapped in a room

24:57

you have like a hood on and

25:00

ale the you stop like gonna

25:03

hit you little bit you get stunned with a gun

25:05

we are waterboarded a bit and

25:08

and and you have that they leave the room and yet

25:10

they get out and out get on the handcuffs

25:12

yao into the city and is a variety like task

25:14

like is this is how like scavenger

25:16

hunt style we're out in the city

25:19

and they're trying to recapture you and

25:21

you have to first thing like go to a grocery store

25:23

and get further instructions and go from there you have no foam

25:25

nothing

25:26

so at the funny stories

25:29

as went to the than charges against like

25:31

this rotisserie the forgot where it is and

25:33

talk to the guy the high and say oh

25:35

it's really cold outside

25:37

the he'll give you the next clue what to do

25:39

it was really hot outside that day for yet

25:42

as his really cold outside the thing is there's excise

25:44

duty in the grocery store at black hats on

25:47

how the everyone happened to go to like the wrong

25:49

guy essences likes ace

25:51

really cold outside in his poor guy was it wise

25:53

ever coming up to be and saying is really cold

25:55

outside

25:59

so

26:02

after that we just have to do variety of tasks which

26:04

is stuff like using social nearly hey

26:06

get two dollars off his home and take a bus and go here

26:09

go here and pick this lock and

26:11

whole time the trying to recapture you i'm sorry

26:13

really turned into like and of game of

26:15

game tag mixes scavenger hunt with a

26:17

little bit of like three at the beginning ah

26:20

but just as a cause for is nicole learning spend

26:22

several wow

26:24

so yeah you pick the lox and then you've got on upwork

26:27

dot com and hired somebody yeah

26:32

all right so that's crazy or that's

26:35

was it fun or was it sort of whether parts

26:37

that were actually traumatic because i magic getting

26:39

waterboarded isn't too much fun rhyme you know

26:41

you know it's sort of again but you're still in it

26:43

and the so happening to you so i was wonder

26:46

what that lines going to be like if you

26:48

do something like this yeah i

26:50

do feel like because we're a bunch of hundred yards

26:52

from nurse we got like the vanilla version of

26:54

the training right or they're like a just tap

26:56

out whenever you want to for any

26:58

of this stuff and you're fine i thought

27:00

out last longer and waterboarding i thought i'd be able

27:02

to just hold my breath ambulatory work at all my birthday

27:05

you know for two minutes i'll be fine i tapped

27:07

out and twelve seconds i didn't even know i topped out

27:10

at last if i had his did it your body

27:12

just racks in panic mode he didn't really

27:14

know what you doing an xy i

27:16

i least i know now his eyebrows you get real

27:19

kidnapped the summers about the waterboard me

27:21

i'd be like just take advocate don't want a word

27:23

me are you know magazine or negative do well here

27:25

stagnant information the

27:28

now there are

27:31

he to backtrack little bit but i i wanna

27:33

i want to say on the thing because it's it's it's an interesting

27:37

travel experience i guess you could say in

27:39

many ways are just experience life experience

27:41

a bit of a different kind of adventure

27:44

and and with that was but the survival

27:46

stuff at the end you said your three

27:48

days on your own is that right correct

27:50

yes is there are backup

27:53

kind of plan or you truly

27:55

our on your own

27:57

having to figure it out for the street i'm you

27:59

feel

27:59

totally prepared after the the five

28:02

day training that proceeds that to

28:04

actually survive for three days that

28:07

we only know by i don't think i

28:10

guess you never going to be ready for like a situation like

28:12

that or anything you're going to get into like even

28:14

if really am everly ready to go travel probably

28:16

not you just gotta go do it and you'll have a bunch of stimulus

28:18

and experiences and then you kind of adapt from their a

28:21

b in my mind i'm not very much of a camper

28:23

guy anyways i just kinda thought like worst

28:25

case i'll i'll fast for three

28:27

days people do that all the time it's

28:29

fine rise in the back of my head i knew

28:32

i'll just start for three days and it's okay

28:35

though it was okay

28:38

you need water yeah so we the island

28:41

had , fresh water on it so they

28:43

actually gave us water because you're like this is too dangerous

28:46

yes try to get turn water we're going to get you

28:48

water actually south alleys up our second gear

28:50

of of the funny stories bear

28:52

bear grylls add record

28:55

is something on that same island on that put in like

28:57

a fake water stream to simulate him

28:59

actually getting water but there is there's actually no water

29:01

on the island south obviously reality show

29:03

they're going to say good bye they start those roof yeah

29:06

you you can just survive so for me a lot

29:08

of just like eight the worst case i'll have coconut

29:11

in water and snails and like i'll be

29:13

able to survive rank as coconuts can be two hundred calories

29:15

each other sit there and kind of way

29:18

then it when you're actually hungry

29:20

in on green and that manner you that's

29:22

all you really think about so

29:24

i you can't just sit there just like our let me go harlem

29:26

you could try to get food because you're just literally

29:28

i can think about how

29:30

good with that beer afterwards ah man

29:33

died never anything like i'd like go

29:36

back to the restaurant said argue before pancakes directly

29:38

the bacon to be a beard steamy everything

29:41

you have right now and of course mister makes

29:43

like this tiny site three by tunnels

29:45

full blood

29:46

there's that other matters ssssss

29:48

this either any other crazy experiences

29:51

like that that you've done recently or to have one cute

29:53

up

29:54

not yet i think the next one old

29:56

loves these like i'm cross country motorcycle

29:58

trips a little bit more time than that but

30:01

that's only way i'd like to the i met lot of people who

30:03

have done similar things are just

30:05

while traveling and a kind of inspires you and

30:08

legacy son that's one thing which i

30:10

, think out of done this if i did not go

30:12

nomad and travel where you just just

30:14

the humans for normal is anything you me other people

30:17

who do similar types of things and you realize

30:19

it or this isn't that we're like this other people do next

30:21

and maybe to you your new family and friends

30:23

back home it sounds very strange but when

30:26

you're on the road and you meet people who

30:28

do in strange things as well

30:30

that becomes the norm and your mileage

30:32

as mileage normalizes that's all of all sudden

30:35

the duty things and to meet now weird

30:37

because i know people do in it but then

30:39

i'd bubbles on twitter posts a mouse and like i guess

30:42

it is little bit strange i'm so

30:44

i i think it's because i traveled a magnet people

30:46

that these experiences seem mike

30:49

kind of par for the course of us yeah

30:51

and that's why it's so critical to get around

30:54

other people doing x y or z right

30:56

whether it's other entrepreneurs are travelers

30:59

would you can't help but get around them if you're

31:01

traveling as you stay in hostels d m p

31:03

ball in your like i'm ever want to impact

31:06

the cakes i i should have thousand and two

31:08

months solo trip and nothing months this great

31:10

adventure and then and started mimi's australians

31:12

in their life oh how long you know

31:14

how long you're traveling for the typical thing and they're like

31:16

three years yeah i dunno when i'm going to stop

31:18

make i'm just like what

31:20

they yeah there's

31:23

that you can travel like indefinitely

31:26

that yeah crazy a it was

31:28

before you know where they were all the blogs and podcasts

31:30

or what an awesome yeah not

31:32

for i was always i thought the same now so envious

31:34

of them because i had like this big three month trip

31:37

planned is my first trip south america these guys are

31:39

like yeah i didn't know i just i get stuck here for

31:41

like three months and not just still here and we'll see

31:43

if i ever go back home and sometimes

31:45

like i truly envy that just like yeah

31:48

well we'll just see what happens and just a it's

31:50

a funny one but now you're equipped to

31:53

you know pick locks and urban urban

31:55

survival and and desert nature

31:57

i mean that that's empowering both learn those skills

31:59

anything about this recently i've

32:02

been thinking about doing some of these types

32:04

of things just like looking into it because into think

32:06

it's

32:07

it can what doing self defense or something

32:09

you just yeah there's certain level level

32:11

of comfort

32:13

in the fact of just having some of that

32:15

knowledge you know at

32:17

one hundred percent idea how the biggest benefit of doing

32:19

any disease just little bit more self confidence

32:22

what am i actually going to use is no real life situation

32:25

hopefully not right and as a but

32:27

it's not even just the sullivan

32:29

that i'm preparing for if that happens is just

32:32

more about and a building

32:34

the engine like just knowing different things and can

32:36

of knowing that you've been through something

32:38

like this and you're fine i

32:41

doesn't he built a self confidence i feel like that's the

32:43

number one benefit of jew hating like this yeah

32:46

maybe that could be a side benefit susan times

32:48

if if you take off traveling i i never

32:50

saw it when i was doing it like on doing this to

32:53

build myself confidence you know say

32:55

it's this was a byproduct of having

32:58

the solo travel experience for

33:00

me how long did you so look

33:02

out for why me i've done

33:04

it off and on for many years in different locations

33:06

but the very first proper trip proper trip after

33:08

college was like a two months backpacking

33:10

through europe solo trip but at that time i didn't know

33:12

anybody who solo travel

33:14

order even that that was a thing that a

33:17

lot of people did i was yeah totally

33:20

clueless yeah those

33:23

, those few months in the house those are just like

33:25

so i opening right arm everything

33:28

like this is the best thing ever the humidity's

33:30

cool people from all these different places nearly

33:32

i'm gonna do this forever yes ah

33:34

a certified exactly that well

33:38

i wanted to ask you about the hustle mentality

33:40

that you mention being part of

33:42

a like an immigrant family mission is this hustle mentality

33:46

how do you feel about that when it comes

33:48

to business because i want to get in some

33:50

of the lessons you've learned during this location

33:52

dependent location independent business

33:55

why i mean by that as you've built a local business

33:58

where you have sort of like the traditional

33:59

it's on the ground

34:01

local business which is a cleaning service

34:03

made this and

34:06

you know a lot of people generally speaking

34:09

don't necessarily equate that type

34:11

of business to of the digital

34:13

nomad life's all other of course plenty

34:15

people out there doing it is just not the one that talked

34:17

about a lot and not the one that you sort of see

34:19

online a lot where people are you know they

34:21

got their laptop and and the beach and the

34:23

ocean water was by the way doesn't really work

34:26

because you know you get sand in your laptop

34:28

and then we're going to do with your laptop and go swimming and

34:30

you know ear exact it's a graphically

34:32

there is a great picture though but

34:34

yeah because the hustle mentality

34:37

meet sort of the lifestyle business which

34:39

is

34:40

harlem what

34:42

i'm assuming that that sort of your approach

34:44

to business right like you're having a business he can have

34:47

freedom by

34:49

there there's also the sir the hustle culture

34:51

around certain aspects of of

34:53

my boots dropping a business and building something

34:56

or i just want to hear that your philosophy and how

34:58

you approach business that

35:01

my lifestyle businesses in general ray i

35:03

feel like i'm i'm gonna make to to seems

35:05

to have a lifestyle business and you have like a silicon valley

35:07

startup high growth fraser bunch of money

35:09

work eighty hours a week in like go massive

35:11

right i give the kind of the two tracks is

35:14

almost in the way i can think about it let's

35:16

, a lot of people listening myself as well

35:18

take hey alan a lifestyle business track on

35:21

what i've realized recently is that does not

35:23

mean it's die gro this

35:26

meet your prioritizing a life over a lot

35:28

of people pick think like hey because the business

35:30

is a lifestyle business i'm not

35:32

gonna grow that bass i'm not make a lot of money buys

35:34

can be more lifestyle focus they're not be to

35:36

excuses you can have a very large business

35:39

and , location independent and have

35:41

a lifestyle focus when example of the have a good friend

35:43

women were traveling months

35:47

the a business with of four hundred employees

35:49

he the nomadic for ten years ah

35:52

, massive business business

35:54

by his optimizers his so

35:56

a lot of the way i think about it is it

35:58

think people my begins it's a bit as they get here

36:01

i don't i don't want to like grow

36:03

massive on and that's a gave you don't realize

36:05

eight still is possible or anything

36:07

in no matter what business you start at the beginning

36:10

you'd there's a certain element apostle time and

36:12

energy you need to put in and then you can optimize

36:14

leverage feet leverage people leverage money in

36:16

order to grow faster without your time involvement

36:18

as much as possible but the pass or

36:21

kind of similar at the beginning is still he

36:23

still have to hustle it be very tough to join

36:25

and spurs start a company and then

36:27

say i'm only gonna work five hours a week as i'm optimizing

36:29

for lifestyle just as work the

36:31

so i'd need to be any you do need to put

36:34

more time and effort in daily

36:36

and then figure out what you wanna do from

36:38

there

36:39

yeah i me i think it's a great

36:41

mindset tip to what

36:43

you said it not being mutually exclusive

36:45

right if you think about okay well me as start this

36:48

lifestyle business and and have freedom but

36:50

that means you know only be able

36:52

to make it so big and what you're saying is will

36:54

know that's basically a limiting beliefs

36:56

and you should adhere to that

36:58

that believe for your base we don't miss myth

37:01

busting here for hate it's it's like know

37:03

you can you can scale something

37:05

and

37:06

the lifestyle to not that it's

37:08

an easy trick to pull off but

37:10

it's not a foregone conclusion that

37:13

you need to have that because i that's what i

37:15

no track me to the startup world at all is that

37:17

sort of ongoing hustle mentality where it

37:19

never stops and any of investors and

37:21

then i mean i don't again i don't have the

37:23

personal experience so lot of this might be my

37:25

own limiting beliefs around that but

37:28

it seems like you have more

37:30

of a chance of creating

37:32

sort a standard desk job for yourself

37:34

in that scenario as opposed to

37:36

taking this lifestyle business oh

37:39

i understand agree and i i work and b c is was

37:41

he the other side of it where you're hustling

37:44

like you're working you're working on

37:46

any bet it when you go that route

37:49

your boss is the investor for the most

37:51

part and if you're like hey i'm gonna go travel

37:53

and be at a hostel obe it'll be like i don't what

37:55

he doing with my money no you can't be doing that

37:57

right so it is deafening to the

38:00

down there specifically why i don't wanna go

38:02

if easy route at all like that's just not that i've

38:04

lost on one it has started made this instead

38:07

and you know i can i had that this

38:09

limit he believe he talked about until just recently i'm

38:12

still grew the business pretty well like

38:14

as i think maybe grew took up a my dollars

38:16

a year at peak of it's an

38:18

and then now we've started franchises about it

38:20

other people as well one of remote

38:23

location it as thou can a girl little bit more by

38:25

a for a while it took me

38:27

the it took me long time to say am

38:29

optimizing for grow them out of us if the lifestyle

38:32

which wanted to which would i do and i feel like

38:34

kind of shot me in the foot she said have

38:37

that mentality of i can only pick one which

38:39

one do i want never realized like our that's actually

38:41

not true at all i you can have both apps

38:44

love that well

38:45

generated over ten million dollars in sales

38:48

from the road while being a nomad so gotta

38:50

, out and lessons here yeah

38:53

yeah first i want to i want to ask

38:55

you about starting a local business

38:57

that you make location independent

38:59

what why should somebody consider that with

39:02

what are some of the pros and cons in your opinion

39:04

of that model

39:06

have you could describe the if you want to just kind of

39:08

describe what that means imagine

39:11

that a frame and up in the beginning but maybe what that

39:13

means to you having a local business

39:15

the absolutely so let me talk little bit

39:17

i made this in my journey it's about the we do

39:19

so i wish i could see like i thought of this had

39:21

the and it was great i kind of just stumbled into

39:23

any kind of i morphy in a way which is location

39:26

independent i come up as beginning think

39:28

like all this is genius idea let me do it but

39:30

i feel a that's how lot of opportunities come up you just

39:32

gonna get in there and and be like oh this

39:34

isn't working let me try something else so kind

39:36

of starting from beginning when i worked in bc i which

39:39

is one is sort of side osos i tried like ecommerce

39:42

drop shipping like you're always there's

39:44

no online like look digital nomad

39:46

type of businesses as actually i can see

39:48

i wanted the like i saw that picture of the dude

39:50

on the beach with his laptop on my going to be that guy

39:53

how do i do that okay i'm gonna buy this he course

39:55

on how to make he courses in the me go and do that

39:58

nothing was working nothing at all work in

40:00

vallejo that by a job and i wasn't ready and

40:02

as opposed to the guy who started the cleaning company that

40:04

that let me just do this on the side while

40:06

i try to find something which would have been more remote

40:09

the one thing of all the things i was time which

40:11

did work was the clinical played started to grown

40:13

grown grow an infinite

40:16

my browser some conference for like come

40:19

to got flipper am and i was trying to

40:21

figure out by an ecommerce company and like start

40:23

a pair vacuum blog is

40:25

some guys like his you already have a business like

40:27

laurie who are you hear what he or are

40:29

, doing any this stuff as , you

40:32

write like added i've always thought about

40:34

my made business me this is kind of just

40:36

a side business because i would need to define my

40:38

real low location and and a business

40:41

when i started looking at in a way of like com

40:43

actually not like i don't need to be

40:45

here that much everything's and remote as as a fulltime

40:47

job anyways though thing i need to do

40:50

is may be meet cleaner three interviews every now

40:52

and then then i started

40:54

looking think can i make this business

40:56

fully remote record traveling do this

40:58

and , i had that mentality of i'm

41:00

going to make dismisses completely remote

41:03

i was able to put the systems in a way where

41:05

was for the remote meeting my current team

41:07

for example across a different countries cause

41:10

gear added my team in south africa africa

41:12

cleaners call my team in honduras and

41:15

so everything is completely remote

41:18

the only got the time which was not remote was

41:20

interviewing cleaners and person which i

41:22

was actually working to manage sparring some

41:24

a local part time adventure

41:26

, we do do this is

41:28

a is residential cleaning company and also and

41:30

are they teach rent a cleaning company so air b b b

41:34

and now the franchise address you the first and only franchise

41:36

doing urban be turnovers and there's

41:38

no other franchise doing it right now so

41:40

anyway the systems are were built in a way which

41:42

can be done remote and i realized

41:44

that the reason

41:47

this business grew so much faster than any of

41:49

the other stuff i was trying is cause it's cause deal

41:51

is such a low the desiccation

41:53

business terms of competition i

41:55

like about it i don't easily be tried to call i

41:57

cleaners new area

41:59

it out

41:59

the head were not pick up their food in

42:02

if they do they're not going to give you like they'll give you

42:04

press would over the phone and is gonna hang up right

42:06

so when i was doing is bringing like normal

42:09

level customer service and like

42:11

sophistication from ecommerce now these

42:13

other things down to the local level and

42:15

realized oh my god as competition has

42:18

no idea what the doing all we

42:20

could just dominate just by had been on

42:22

par and that's what was working a lot

42:24

and the fact that a lot of people thought you could i do

42:27

wrote but i target either way you do a

42:29

remotely also made it that a lot

42:31

of these like know that people people wanted

42:33

travel world wouldn't even think about this industry

42:35

at all so i almost felt like a hidden gem

42:37

is very enslaved from other people and

42:39

hidden and the only people doing it the

42:42

people who are local and didn't know anything about

42:44

online marketing or how to run a large bus

42:47

yeah and i think there's also something to

42:49

the the fact of

42:51

there's no offense to to any cleaning

42:53

companies out there including yours but that's not

42:55

a quote sexy business right is not

42:57

having that people are thinking oh

43:00

but those are the businesses picked handsome it's

43:02

always the boring over says i made the most money

43:05

my dad lives in south florida and he

43:07

had he has he has v that he just sold

43:10

and the guys that came over to buy it were

43:13

they run like an air conditioning repair business

43:16

and

43:16

in florida

43:18

my dad is some research on me sharpies like

43:20

you guys are lie know you guys are loaded stops

43:24

, said he was racist the i thought like

43:27

they had like five franchise that you know and it's

43:29

just

43:31

yeah i mean that stuff that people need

43:33

right i mean

43:35

the baby seven i think a lot of them were

43:38

in this world realising like you listen

43:40

this podcast you can go down the rabbit hole are getting

43:42

targeted people who are like see started amazon at

43:44

be a business right is just like we happen to be

43:46

in this world which is one percent

43:48

of the real population but we think it's a whole world

43:50

because we're in this the mother for this bubble

43:52

where the bubbling up with rally seabees if

43:55

you're not in the but when you look outside most people are

43:57

making their money in business too boring

44:00

this is not easy stop it's not

44:02

like amazon that be a style like

44:04

all this sexy stuff is really

44:06

boring businesses that's how people make money and

44:08

rallies are making money a they still

44:10

have bad cause reserves of terrible marketing

44:13

like they just don't know what do you and business but they're making

44:15

a lot of money because is localized

44:17

the yes it's it's can just one thing i discovered

44:20

through the back is just you're only

44:22

compete against the local market most is guys

44:24

are know what they're doing i'm able

44:26

to come in here be normal right bring

44:28

basic marketing and and do in a completely remote

44:31

way the only thing that's just

44:33

a gotta set off some alarm bells not that allow

44:35

this is actually it kind of agree in

44:37

and jam so i took a couple years i worked

44:39

to use part time and ,

44:41

after two years i quit my job and book to one flight

44:43

to south america started traveling for their

44:46

space we strike me as somebody

44:48

who lives with passion and is a passionate

44:50

person and i'm wondering

44:53

for people listening that are more

44:56

the spectrum of wanting to

44:58

follow their passion or do something is inching

45:00

feminine and then near you sort of talking

45:02

about the the boring business was the him

45:05

the quote you use so how do you

45:07

what does your advice their how to how did you

45:10

manage that

45:13

you know we're it weren't for you to follow

45:15

your passion or whatever you know buzzword

45:17

you wanna in circare do

45:20

you think this as you as it is you

45:22

have this podcast around

45:24

podcast lighthouse in which travel right you businesses

45:26

around there so i shall wonder it wonder

45:28

your and i'm tears on your the

45:31

answer to this question because your business is

45:33

around something i feel like you feel passionate

45:35

well

45:36

what are you i'm using your thoughts about this are you turning

45:38

the tables and i am now the interviewer

45:41

i have the captain ssssss

45:43

well

45:45

the reason why the podcast has been going for eight

45:47

years is because i'm passionate about it could i

45:49

been could i've done this every week for last

45:51

eight years probably not

45:53

now the difference between difference between if a white

45:56

super passionate about it in the people i serve and

45:58

everything like that so for me it's an essential

45:59

greedy and if we're speaking to this

46:02

podcast specific lane some of the work i've

46:04

done around it

46:06

but it also a different kind of thing like i would you the

46:08

spot even if i didn't have like sponsors

46:10

or of things going on i would still keep doing this podcast

46:12

cause i just love it i i love the people that are

46:14

listening that i get to interact with hello

46:17

you and talking to you listening

46:19

up but you know the thing that

46:21

you're building is

46:23

is different in the sense that i think it well

46:25

i mean i shouldn't say

46:27

i'm using business terms now but it may be more

46:29

of a sellable as that you might have like an exit strategy

46:32

or something like that as opposed to

46:34

you know you're not like saying i'm gonna

46:36

run a cleaning company for the next thirty years i

46:38

imagine yeah yeah

46:41

like it's you get a seat good decision

46:43

yeah eventually they'll be is a sale

46:45

process it wasn't mad when starting hear anything like

46:47

that by yellow be totally be totally that like my

46:49

thoughts about people really don't have all my passion i

46:53

kind of found my passion through business and

46:55

a lot of my passion is around the lifestyle

46:58

right a hag i travel i going to do the school

47:00

experiences i could have freedom

47:02

i'm also i realized i love business

47:05

whether it's cleaning or something else just act

47:07

of like building a team damn in bozeman culture

47:10

you know do in marketing thing in our problems like i just

47:12

like that process so for me the little

47:14

bit less relevant kind of exactly

47:16

what the and service is nothing people put

47:18

too much emphasis on

47:20

what is the and service you're providing where the reality

47:23

is what their passion about isn't that

47:25

they think it is they think like a really passionate

47:27

about fitness i should open a gym that's

47:30

not your soul past in life i'm and

47:32

you will find things to the process that us

47:34

you really really enjoy about it but ninety

47:37

nine percent of what you do in a business is not and service

47:40

like that just if you pick a industry and topic like

47:43

most most of your

47:45

stuff is just regular business after leads

47:47

that whatever the and services rights it's pretty

47:49

uniform across whatever business or and you gotta do

47:51

marketing got a good funnels you gotta build a team

47:54

so so when people say hey

47:56

alan of all my passion and my answer would be

47:59

once you start some which gets money and then let

48:01

you live a lifestyle you want then

48:03

from there i promise you will find your passion

48:05

overtime once you have a little bit more freedom and time

48:07

of flexibility edu understand business

48:10

events if you wanna jump into a passion which is like

48:12

out to start a nonprofit take over the tag

48:14

of the the world and like help everyone you

48:17

can do that edu just gonna have lived more business

48:19

savvy behind you answer i

48:21

don't i don't reckon panel

48:24

recommended by i feel like people who

48:26

are waiting to find their passion

48:28

before starting a business or does use that as procrastination

48:30

tool it's it's it's unnecessary

48:33

at least to get go in and you will find your passion in other

48:35

ways yeah no i appreciate

48:37

you sharing your thoughts on that i why

48:39

can't say i disagree one hundred percent

48:41

but their parts of that i don't agree with

48:44

only because

48:46

there there's a lot of nuance like anything as a gray

48:48

area right and i think if if

48:50

for example you really wanna be

48:53

around be around the like

48:55

let's say you want to be around music live music

48:57

you want to be part of the music industry there

48:59

is something to

49:01

i always recommend people like find an industry

49:03

you're passionate about and then just like insert

49:05

yourself in there somewhere because then you get

49:07

to be around those those people now when you're talking

49:10

about like location independent entrepreneurship

49:13

travel you're like well i'm

49:15

just gonna like pull myself out of that

49:17

culture anyway so i don't need to go to like cleaning

49:19

conference's because i'm just going to go to like

49:21

location dependent on newer conferences

49:24

and i'm ago get kidnapped and i'm gonna do all these fun things

49:26

because that's a different kind of lifestyle

49:28

but there is also something to

49:31

being an industry that you love to be around like

49:33

i love podcasting so for me it's cool to meet

49:35

other podcasts years and to be around that

49:37

yeah i don't know there's there's a bit of that as well

49:40

as as you would hundred percent agree with you and i think

49:42

i guess i'm speaking also from the perspective

49:44

of i left the industry i chose

49:46

to go be in my location independent

49:48

travel industry to begin with so it's almost for me

49:51

a little bit less relevant where

49:53

i'm playing as i'm i'm i'm just gonna be

49:55

nomadic and i'm going to be that industry side the i

49:57

think you nailed it i haven't thought about that exactly

49:59

but

49:59

that's the reason why i'm a little bit more different

50:02

yeah i mean it's a it's again

50:04

what i don't either so i didn't real i shouldn't have

50:06

used or disagree because i don't disagree

50:08

it's just it's just really

50:10

different ways of looking at it right down

50:12

and who you are what your sam that's what this shows

50:14

about as giving some different perspective so different

50:17

do agree with you in fact that there

50:19

are people out there like for them maybe been passing

50:21

about it isn't passing necessary ingredient

50:24

for others it may be that the only thing that keeps

50:26

them going you know and then there's everybody

50:28

in between you know who knows i ,

50:31

am strokes for different folks he seriously

50:33

seriously i think they'll a lot of these

50:35

things can be solved just by doing something he

50:38

had even if he doesn't give us about that's fine

50:40

you can always eat salad for every decision

50:42

you can do it and realized that i don't

50:44

want to do this anymore and sovereignty something else but

50:47

i was her the i had her the phrase you

50:49

can't steer a parked car by

50:51

if you're parked you can move the car but when she's the

50:53

car starts with it could actually steered and directing different

50:55

places and see what opportunities there are

50:58

so i the as a good mentality when

51:00

you thinking about what to start is to so

51:02

gave up asked about it just start something this

51:04

case you stop it or worse case

51:06

she gained it on the skills and dig a little

51:08

bit of money in the he had a something else so is

51:10

getting going i think is more important than actually the

51:13

kinda correct industry as you can always pick i

51:16

love that and that was a perfect

51:18

way tie that up because you did say earlier

51:20

you know your to try something else i was kind of what

51:22

happened for you you're like well this

51:24

than were going to try something else and that's just kind of

51:26

how it needs

51:29

to be i don't think i've met anybody running

51:31

any kind of business that didn't have to try something

51:33

else within their business at some point in

51:35

here for oh yeah cook eggs i've eaten

51:38

those i did i ever had easier to it yeah

51:40

no one says like i picked my career from when

51:42

i'm twenty two years old i do this rest my life and

51:44

i nail day on that it just isn't

51:47

that way now i'm even businesses

51:49

that take off they still have to come up with

51:52

approaches new products and services and things

51:54

like that i love that a random person give you advice

51:56

of the at the flip a conference has just i

51:58

was was shoutout to the

51:59

in a person you know you never know when the random

52:02

person's going to come up to you and give you a piece of advice

52:04

that you like truly take dark you know yeah

52:07

it's , is like i'm sure you've got this will traveling yours

52:09

me people who insult said something

52:12

so brilliant and remember them forever and

52:14

for them as a passing doll i didn't remember you at

52:16

all it was just like saturday

52:18

december random guy or beers and like

52:20

they forgot about the the next day as wonder

52:23

like i hope i've said something to

52:25

someone where they're like oh my god has changed my life

52:27

but what if the reality is is like i've never influence

52:30

anyone at all and i've i've talked a lot successes

52:32

in amounted to anything that's not reality

52:34

yeah yeah a funny it's

52:37

funny that gotta that in

52:39

terms of a local business as

52:42

you described it you have a certain framework

52:44

that you recommend people for choosing a successful

52:46

local business that can work remotely

52:49

or maybe as a better chance of working remotely say

52:51

imagine that the automating process

52:53

the may be human resources

52:55

is is may be that the most important element

52:58

but perhaps i am wrong yeah

53:00

i just where the sauce yeah

53:02

as i think there's many local businesses

53:05

which are more conducive to being

53:07

location of the better than others in others summer when i recommend

53:09

getting into obsolete or all talk

53:11

lid of about which ones which think you're getting kind of relate

53:14

back to my business why she could see you

53:16

can see the parallels so number one

53:18

is i really

53:20

enjoy home services and the reason

53:22

is cause the the cleaner or the technician

53:24

can industry from their homes the jobs i ll

53:26

lemonade you the need for an office so

53:29

, services obviously taken care of the customers

53:31

home you're going to the job site i'm

53:34

so because of that know office space

53:36

know have you read the cleanest keep their supplies

53:39

and discussed rates of the job sites you don't

53:41

need an office as much much

53:43

which leads me to the second criteria which is

53:46

it eliminate heavy

53:48

overhead you don't want to hold on to tons

53:50

of supplies you don't need you don't want like

53:52

a storefront where people off the go into so

53:55

having like know storefront know leases things

53:57

like that again that's why i think home

53:59

services land zoc well but rowdies

54:01

any service where people

54:04

are going somewhere else not your office right

54:06

there's no storefront nothing like that and

54:09

those would be the criteria for the most part

54:11

and he can eat that kind of starting from

54:13

there and going down from from there for

54:15

example if you want to be location dependable open

54:17

up here and gym can be really tough have

54:19

you ever had really store from people go into someone as

54:21

be there at all times maybe if you get

54:24

big enough and have enough money you could hire have manager

54:26

and their magic be there but it'll

54:28

take some time to make enough money to be able to do

54:30

that am but rarely

54:32

something to the any business any business

54:35

can be location independent

54:37

like a guarantee you the person who buys mcdonalds

54:40

as the owner he's not managing

54:42

[unk] right years of money and be

54:44

known as big enough investment were you

54:46

have a manager from day one is just investment for

54:48

him but if you don't have the down as money

54:50

you need a pick a business model which more

54:52

conducive to that was my opinion i think home

54:54

services lends itself really want to

54:56

perfect just as looking for our i

54:59

want as you for

55:00

for your specific business is how

55:03

do you eliminate the the overhead

55:05

the do you have your cleaners buying their own

55:07

supplies and reimbursing them you don't have

55:09

like a central place where they com and

55:12

get all the cleaning supplies or how does that work for you

55:15

i'd you i'd like to hear it because it's a real world

55:17

example of what you're describing

55:18

police have for fantasies they get

55:20

it take to models either

55:22

they have to say labor laws are you work with independent

55:24

contractors or employees in either

55:27

case it's st the same with innovative

55:29

contractors they are actually bring their own supplies

55:31

and vehicles and stuff you don't need to provide anything probably

55:34

pay them a higher portion for that

55:36

though this employees are you just

55:38

reimburse them for them supplies and reimburse

55:40

them for gas for their own car and

55:43

they could go straight to the job that the good part

55:45

with cleaning his it's not like you have a ton

55:47

of especially to material or massive equipment

55:49

that they need to use as a for getting

55:51

like floor polishing or something really

55:54

heavy duty we have like a massive machine too

55:56

much to expect any cleaner to buy that

55:59

but

55:59

cleaning is like hey you go to walmart get a few rags

56:02

here's a checklist of what you need it's not that expensive

56:04

you get reimbursed as well it's a lot

56:06

of those things are the cleaner could just pick up

56:10

do you have white label software

56:13

did you create custom software i imagine

56:15

because the the key to making business

56:17

location and pen in his automation right

56:19

part of the automation is going to be software solution

56:22

so what is your recommendation for that

56:25

yeah , use third by software there's

56:27

a test for me to like by one of the software companies

56:30

that we are using i realized like i don't wanna be

56:32

a soft other want to run a software company at all so

56:34

we use all third party software white

56:36

label it i'm and string all the

56:38

different pieces the software together in a way which

56:40

makes it very seamless for then customer remember

56:43

that lot of small businesses are we

56:45

can be with they barely have a website

56:48

right they don't they don't really know what they're doing

56:50

to as long as to provide some level of good

56:52

customer care i'm meeting like online

56:55

booking forms make need seamless for the customer

56:57

which all involved software he be have to

56:59

get ahead pretty well so our focus we

57:01

the lot from pieces software but the oddest talk

57:03

to each other so that's probably like the

57:05

proprietary part is how are we setting this

57:07

up so all these different sofres the top of each other

57:10

automating emails is doing everything now

57:13

be as all of this of third party software

57:15

yeah you're killing two birds with one stone

57:17

you're improving the customer experience

57:20

and you're also

57:21

automating which if is necessary

57:24

he to go survive

57:26

on a desert island or i

57:28

, to ask you about the franchise model how's

57:31

that working i think there's a perception

57:33

sometimes that it's the franchise

57:36

or that makes all the money in that the franchise

57:38

he and i wanted

57:40

you know i get the again get the that's just like a stereotype

57:42

i don't think it's true but i want to speak to

57:44

that yeah i've been franchising

57:47

i it's to be while to figure out that

57:49

that's the route i wanted to go is

57:51

it as have this like old school mentality

57:54

of like of franchisers like who does

57:56

those anymore those storefronts you buy a baskin

57:58

robbins or like mcdonalds and do

58:00

that so i feel like there's a weird

58:03

connotation with it as well which

58:05

is like kind of very

58:07

similar vein till i go into a local businesses

58:09

it uses those going to see which he is revolutionizing

58:12

right so in some ways it's i feel like we're kind of

58:14

the new kids on the block there but the way worse

58:17

is somewhat by and made this franchise

58:19

and open up in their own city in our

58:21

models meant to be completely location independence

58:24

or be current of many were you pretty much coughing what i did

58:27

and , you pay out sure and royalty

58:29

a percent of revenue of as

58:31

as the kicker at the end to lot of franchise

58:34

ores and make them money by

58:36

selling stuff to the franchisees meaningless

58:38

he of a restaurant franchise do

58:41

you have to buy the material from them and they make and they

58:43

that you have to buy x y z

58:45

from them the make a margin and that so a

58:47

lot it has and people say the

58:50

brand his or is making lot of money or friend

58:52

has eats that can be true for a lotta brands

58:54

with south of that the franchisees we

58:56

don't are is is pure like a disease yet

59:00

the front as buying yeah the road he that kind of it than

59:02

this a huge support system on the back and for you

59:04

but the way where to someone would buy a franchise open

59:06

up in their city we help them at

59:08

the beginning with training getting set up ongoing

59:11

do you like pretty much all the text or for them and

59:14

, help them find their first completely

59:16

remote worker tip for the team

59:18

member for them to join a team i'm

59:20

sorry to have sorry to team like said there and south

59:22

africa and latin america will

59:26

that will help them find people similarly and help set

59:28

it up from the very beginning of being location

59:30

independent and up when it's up to them if

59:32

they choose to be local or travel

59:34

by it's not i'm not pushing alive zone

59:37

any one is just it's rd south in a way

59:39

where fewer north from home if you want to work from

59:41

columbia it's built the doable was

59:44

, tough traveling thirty five countries over five

59:46

years and building a business at the same time time

59:50

was i to travel in many ways

59:52

it ways it very quickly

59:55

like i shouldn't be doing this or hostels anymore

59:57

which is tough because at the beginning holsters of so

59:59

fun

59:59

the letter u is me that everyone are

1:00:02

you on any out thousand and a commoner him and like trying

1:00:04

to work in his music happening people gave were

1:00:06

to go on this pub crawl you and com and i'd

1:00:08

be like

1:00:10

yeah the ideal every to shut this down and

1:00:12

go so i'm sure

1:00:14

i could have maybe

1:00:15

we're

1:00:16

faster and grow the company little bit faster

1:00:18

if i didn't do that within the

1:00:20

point of a bright had this to begin with sales

1:00:23

to balance that's the tough balance yeah

1:00:26

nine have club i've kind of sounds like there's still

1:00:28

ways to travel we don't have to do to extremes

1:00:30

of like state like state store go home and

1:00:32

been in office space on so i kind

1:00:34

of morphed into two and a lot of code living

1:00:36

places i b m you see too many colors

1:00:38

and playstation

1:00:40

no not really

1:00:42

the culloden places are like

1:00:44

working spaces mix with hostels

1:00:47

this kind of the best would describe a little bit nicer

1:00:49

mostly longer term travelers nomads

1:00:51

who are staying in a certain place for months

1:00:53

at a time insane like assuming

1:00:55

a house and work from there together you can

1:00:58

get in the zone of like work but they

1:01:00

still community around you vs let's

1:01:02

say hostelling you just around people

1:01:04

who are only traveling it's a different mentality

1:01:06

something lot of my travels morphed overtime

1:01:09

to started packing living fast

1:01:11

and slow down slow down and our usually okay

1:01:13

urban bees and just been cities record mean me

1:01:16

other nomads let's

1:01:18

not so cast on staying asked us anymore

1:01:20

so it took a lot of figure that out yeah

1:01:23

well the travel evolved to with certainly not a

1:01:25

static thing in the things

1:01:27

that you need to do to adjust

1:01:30

your travel style our

1:01:32

sometimes yeah just the a

1:01:34

byproduct of of what's happening

1:01:36

in the business euro

1:01:38

or whatever you what's going on going your life so life

1:01:40

mean business can suck the fun out of travel

1:01:43

of travel i've experienced that before

1:01:45

but also

1:01:47

there are other benefits so

1:01:50

yeah just depends on where

1:01:52

you are business can be as simple

1:01:54

as complicated as you want to make it were

1:01:56

like if he if you want to try to pack everything

1:01:59

in a short with dave then you may you will get

1:02:01

is my standard you my sacrifice growth but it's

1:02:03

your business you get to decide what you want to do said

1:02:05

the beginning you know when i quit and

1:02:07

started traveling

1:02:09

you've been in a first year of me work at hostels

1:02:11

and kind of bouncing around a lot

1:02:13

we still doubled the business

1:02:15

we have to put it if alice say staring maybe

1:02:17

i don't know about i'm happy with the double growth anyways

1:02:20

and any then say kind of they're gonna okay i

1:02:22

do i don't i don't joined are supporting

1:02:24

the war in libya she can settle a little

1:02:27

bit longer period in

1:02:29

a single place and work on to be more which helped

1:02:31

me out a lot more rbs it it's

1:02:33

totally possible to still have a drive a lifestyle

1:02:35

and c o business you ,

1:02:37

have tripled it but you know think about all this pub

1:02:39

crawls he would missed out on great

1:02:42

soon as one of the assess

1:02:45

assess assess all right

1:02:47

can you share of whereby you can find you

1:02:49

and all the goodies here absolutely

1:02:51

so if you wanna learn more about me i'm

1:02:54

you can just go to made this franchise am a i d t

1:02:56

h i s franchise dot com are

1:02:58

actively looking for people to join the franchise

1:03:00

system if you're interested in starting a local business

1:03:02

would you could run from anywhere in the world a personally

1:03:05

you could find me at neil perfect dot com a

1:03:07

or on twitter i'm trying to get much more active on twitter

1:03:10

i can read about the ireland soria which we talked

1:03:12

about earlier on the podcast the podcast yeah

1:03:15

you got the podcast you want to mention

1:03:17

the podcast as well yeah i see

1:03:19

i host the podcast called a remote local podcast

1:03:21

is a podcast about how to have a local business

1:03:24

and travel the world so myself in

1:03:26

a guy was my goes also has a remote local

1:03:28

business and as the same and we canada share tips

1:03:30

and tricks about how to do the same and kind

1:03:33

of our journey through the process of that's called that's remote

1:03:35

local podcast thanks

1:03:38

for that and awesome information

1:03:40

today knee are really preceded hope we can

1:03:42

stay in touch last question

1:03:45

your most memorable travel experience that

1:03:48

popped to mind gut reaction oh

1:03:50

man a gut reaction would be i

1:03:52

was in austria

1:03:55

and that same day medicare for people really

1:03:57

hey we hey we do a road trip somewhere

1:04:00

it's i be doing to my backpack down and said

1:04:02

okay i'm in and just as if doing a cross

1:04:04

country road trip with these completely random people

1:04:07

i met a one of those things with

1:04:09

the serendipity that is happens and i it's

1:04:11

so memorable cause it was so it

1:04:13

was a random and enter the be an absolute

1:04:15

incredible trip so loved it yes

1:04:18

i had a similar experience in

1:04:20

spain

1:04:22

nowhere to stay

1:04:23

met some people we slept in some part

1:04:25

by the train station and then has

1:04:27

bad for like two hours after we status we decided

1:04:30

to stay up all night there was nowhere to say and say well

1:04:32

spain so that works yeah and then you

1:04:34

know after two hours of sleeping were

1:04:36

like hey numbers like one or rent a car

1:04:38

and take a road trip together and then we all

1:04:41

just hopped in this karma for like four words you had

1:04:43

when you end up ah will

1:04:45

we ended up in mature

1:04:47

it at the end i think but we kind of road

1:04:49

trip through north of spain and and then south

1:04:52

it was just t that an awesome just love

1:04:54

that it's one of the see that makes all the more

1:04:56

they're right yeah spontaneity

1:04:58

and in the rubble cool man thanks your time

1:05:01

i really appreciate it and yeah hope we can say

1:05:03

in touch and good good luck with everything

1:05:05

i have never ago

1:05:13

thank you and neo for

1:05:15

stopping by the show sharing his wisdom

1:05:18

, and wisdom their from growing

1:05:20

his business while living nomadic

1:05:22

lifestyle traveling the world and you can

1:05:24

hear how just that mindset shift of

1:05:27

making something remote and prioritizing

1:05:30

the lifestyle

1:05:31

change things for him and can change

1:05:34

things for all of us know it can change the

1:05:36

way we approach what we do

1:05:38

the reality is if we want to travel indefinitely

1:05:41

like some of us to here

1:05:43

you will have to find ways to

1:05:45

the earn a living as we go and

1:05:48

there's another way

1:05:50

i wanted to share this with you because this is another way

1:05:52

that we haven't really covered on the show that whole

1:05:54

idea of turning

1:05:56

on local illness for

1:05:58

a local community

1:05:59

making it location independence

1:06:03

i love hearing is perspectives and if you're

1:06:05

somebody who has spent

1:06:07

a significant amount of time on the road

1:06:10

or even if you haven't perhaps you've

1:06:13

been away for away week

1:06:15

and something happened something

1:06:17

home that required your attention

1:06:20

i have found in my experience that there

1:06:22

is always a way to get

1:06:24

it done

1:06:25

remotely

1:06:27

then i experienced a lot

1:06:29

over

1:06:30

living a medically

1:06:32

for a decade plus it the

1:06:34

thing came up in life and

1:06:36

i couldn't always be there the handle them

1:06:38

in person and it's amazing when

1:06:41

you get on the road how resourceful you can become

1:06:44

, things need to get done and you can't make

1:06:46

it back to the physical place so you can

1:06:48

just translate those experiences

1:06:50

you've had personally if you've had

1:06:53

them to

1:06:56

that business mentality

1:06:58

right and just having the confidence

1:07:01

that

1:07:02

i've gotten other things done in my personal life

1:07:05

they can probably do it for

1:07:07

my business as well maybe or somebody that has

1:07:10

a , little more local right now how

1:07:12

can you approach it in a different way and

1:07:14

my experience i wanted to share this

1:07:18

running a

1:07:19

what are called local business i bruising didn't

1:07:22

call that because i was running

1:07:24

and air b n b at the place i used

1:07:26

own colorado

1:07:28

i was living in europe where i'm

1:07:30

living now but i

1:07:32

had this property in colorado

1:07:34

that was being

1:07:35

the out in the only way i was able to

1:07:37

that was by hiring

1:07:40

a property manager my friends ya know who specializes

1:07:43

in , type of property management and

1:07:46

she would just you'll take just you'll on managing

1:07:49

a bright enough to deal with a lot of the stuff

1:07:51

right that and before when i had a tenant's

1:07:54

tenants and people that have lived there over the years

1:07:56

you have to deal with that stuff but even then it's

1:07:58

all doable right so my the one take

1:08:00

away and just a reminder from

1:08:03

this interview this

1:08:05

that

1:08:06

you can always i get people

1:08:08

to help you out

1:08:10

right it's not

1:08:12

that it always has to be you i think sometimes

1:08:14

we can get caught up in the solar for new were on

1:08:17

like it's all on us mentality but

1:08:19

it takes a village and bring

1:08:22

in people that can help out

1:08:24

and i think when we started sinking

1:08:27

in terms of where , can

1:08:29

get help and how we can can

1:08:32

a mutually beneficial or relationships

1:08:35

it just takes a lot of the stress

1:08:37

off me realize you can have partnerships

1:08:40

and we can all help each other

1:08:42

out and help each other still live

1:08:45

that lifestyle that we want live and

1:08:48

we can find like minded people the great thing about the

1:08:50

honor and working with her is

1:08:52

that she lives with this lifestyle also

1:08:54

by the way i'll drop her website in the show notes fuel

1:08:57

check her out she also

1:08:59

travels and loves trouble

1:09:01

she's been on the podcast before you can find her

1:09:03

episode in the archives and the premium feed

1:09:07

gray and she totally gets hit so we can

1:09:09

align ourselves with other business owners who get

1:09:11

with this lifestyles about

1:09:13

for it can be really

1:09:15

anybody that is willing

1:09:17

to be a good partner and help our i

1:09:19

think the approaching

1:09:22

a business in these terms open

1:09:24

things up we're

1:09:26

not is limited in are sinking and

1:09:29

any time i can the

1:09:31

introduced to something that freeze

1:09:34

up my thinking and takes off some of the limitations

1:09:37

that i have my own limitations

1:09:39

perspectives that get me thinking bigger

1:09:42

it's super helpful so i hope that today show

1:09:45

did that for you in some way shape or form would

1:09:47

love to hear your feedback on this one and he guess

1:09:49

recommendations you have or anything else taught

1:09:52

me line anytime jason that's your to travel dot

1:09:54

com or leave me leave voicemail

1:09:56

and that voicemail box now

1:09:58

let me review

1:09:59

with a quote from one

1:10:02

of my favorite philosophers alan

1:10:04

watts and anytime and anytime to be

1:10:07

zoomed out and reminded that the

1:10:10

, this vast

1:10:13

tremendous space and you

1:10:15

know do i really need to stress out about

1:10:18

x y or z small thing going on my life

1:10:20

now no anytime anytime that

1:10:22

perspective i can listen to some alan

1:10:24

watts if you've never heard his stuff before you

1:10:26

can just google you can find it oliver

1:10:29

youtube in different places but he has a

1:10:31

couple of quotes here i wanted to share one trying to

1:10:33

find yourself is like trying to

1:10:35

bite your own teeth since

1:10:38

we talk learned about identity today i thought

1:10:40

that will be

1:10:41

something called share and one more here

1:10:44

the only way to make sense out of change

1:10:47

is to plunge into

1:10:49

move with

1:10:50

join the dance

1:10:53

the habit never show

1:10:55

in the books oh yes forgot

1:10:58

to mention a little teaser

1:10:59

i promise that next week

1:11:03

you'll hear my interview with tom the founder

1:11:05

of desert island survival and

1:11:08

i , usually tease out interviews but since this

1:11:10

was mentioned early

1:11:12

on this was it says the guy

1:11:14

that neil went with the to be

1:11:16

stranded on a desert island and learn all the survival

1:11:19

skills well i told you want

1:11:21

to get him on the show i did do that sided

1:11:23

since we just talked about and this show

1:11:26

i would publish that show for you

1:11:29

you week as that's another

1:11:31

great conversation saw a report bring

1:11:33

let bring until then

1:11:36

smile chance think craig

1:11:47

this point houses invokes you mind zero

1:11:49

to travel ideas and advice

1:11:52

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