In today's podcast, I am joined by my friends , and for witty banter, philosophizing, and intellectually stimulating conversation straight from the island of Hawaii, where we - along with several others mentioned in this podcast episode, such as , and Hawaii hunting guide - took a break from hunting, hiking, spearfishing and dressing meat to gather round the podcasting mics. In this conversation, you'll hear... -Recap of the trip...6:47 Chris was a last minute substitute Primal surroundings: goat head in the back of the pickup They were all dropped off by helicopter on various spots on the Big Island Ben engaged in spearfishing; caught Hawaiian lobster, opi'i fish Impossible to replicate their meals in a restaurant -Ben is asked about consuming energy bars while facing dehydration...12:17 If you're in an extreme dehydration situation, you're probably starving to death, so don't throw them out They could potentially be used as a water filter because they're so thick and beer don't actually dehydrate you have moisture in them Depends on salt content, moisture level, etc. -How ranchers on the island of Kaho'olawe used goats to prevent sharks from attacking their herd...14:05 Sharks would attack as they were loaded onto ships for transport Ranchers pushed a herd of goats tied to each other off a cliff The cattle was transported while the sharks feasted on the goats -Discussion about the sustainability of humans hunting their own meat in the modern world...15:30 Hunting is necessary in Hawai'i for sustainability of the land It's not cheaper when you factor in ammo, time spent hunting, obtaining permits, etc. Large amounts of money from hunting is invested into environmental sustainability Eradication vs. management Killing an animal is a deeply personal experience Everyone who eats meat should hunt at least once We are what we eat: cruelty, apathy, torture, etc. -How do our thoughts shape our health?... Book: Book: : Behavior of parents/ancestors affects their children's behavior and instincts Do humans have instincts? Going for the nipple Fear of snakes "Comparing notes" after a hunt separated humans from other animals Coordinated hunting -Our understanding of human history as it pertains to resilience toward stress... Research suggests we become more sensitive to stress rather than more resilient Chronic stressors (business responsibilities) our ancestors didn't deal with Experiencing stress without realizing it, or thinking you're relaxed Practice makes automatic Difference between stress and excitement Alpha vs. beta brain waves Alpha: what you experience in "the flow"; familiar, happy, focused Beta: Higher level of excitement; less predictability Parasympathetic vs. sympathetic nervous system Sympathetic: fight and flight nervous system Parasympathetic: rest and digestive nervous system Vagus nerve feeds into the sinoatrial node of the heart You want high heart rate variability (HRV) Vagus nerve is operating the parasympathetic system properly Meditating, chanting, cold water assist with maintaining high HRV -How stress affects rigor mortis (in hunted game) and cramping Deer reach rigor mortis in 20 minutes when corralled (stressed) and over an hour when killed in the wild You cramp in stressful situations while exercising due to calcium release Sour, spicy taste overrides neuronal reflex limits the contraction, but is overridden by neuronal reflex Other animals don't have this, and put far more stress on their muscles When mom lifts a car to save the baby, the brain, because of extreme stress, overrides the golgi tendon organ Brain over brawn: why humans have the golgi tendon organ and other animals don't -The evolving understanding of convenience vs. an appreciation of our history... Infant formula: no colostrum, fatty acid, Breast milk is a fatty, highly addictive food; you'd be obese if you drank it all your life The microbiome is a gift to the environmental movement Your surroundings impact your gut health -Is bottled water really cleaner and safer than tap water?... ; tap water is treated as water, so it's tested far more often Chlorine, fluoride is in the tap water Bottled water comes from a filtered source -Why Hawai'i is so freaking amazing... Beach as well as mountain culture Cultural holocaust: Christian missionaries Hawaiian language stayed alive in the cattle ranchers: It was more functional Perhaps reflective of the number of colors, sights and scents in Hawai'i Akin to why podcasts are popular: you can break down concepts you can't on CNN -How Mark Healy narrowly escaped death while surfing in Fiji... Grew up on North Shore of Oahu; got noticed by important surfer dudes Ended up going to Fiji for his first professional trip at age 14; had visualized Fiji for years Was in one of the most iconic surfing photos in history -Is Nature really the violent, nasty, brutish force we're led to believe it is?... : Everything eats life Things that appear to be important are not in evolutionary terms Human chin - where two bones come together An arrow is a much better way to die than dying in nature We speak of death as though it's not going to happen Non-Western cultures celebrate death Perhaps explains animosity surrounding hunting -Differing perspectives on how we relate our life experiences to others... Narrative: knowing which dots to connect, and what to leave out Being present and in the moment vs. on auto-pilot Writing the story before it happens Specificity is key. Too much information is overwhelming, prevents people from taking action (for example, charity donations) -The role of fire and water in the history of human evolution... Source of food, amusement, protection, comfort Movement of fire is reflected in the nature of human consciousness They can alter landscapes, be very destructive Large swaths of the Amazon have been cleared by fire Podcasts around a fire never work well Water is the greatest source of "awe" that we know of -Perceived scarcity vs. real scarcity... People with nothing live as though they have everything. People with everything live as though there's not enough Perspective, born of experience, helps to understand the disparity between real and perceived scarcity We spend money to isolate ourselves from others as soon as we get it Inconvenience puts you in touch with other people (hitch-hiking, taking the bus) -Mark describes his business, Healy Water Ops... Many of the clients are very wealthy and successful in business and life They know a red herring when they see or hear it They enjoy having Mark run the show, tell them what to do; it allows them to relax for a bit -Running a business, unschooling, and why we need to restore boredom in our culture... Treat your business like a big dog; assert dominance We don't have boredom anymore with social media, smartphones, etc. Silence often precedes a maturation in a relationship Learn how to hunt without a guide; self-taught Allow kids to work out conflict on their own Preventive medicine -And much more. Resources From this Episode: -Book: -Book: - - -Podcast: -Article: - -Book: Episode Sponsors: -: My personal playground for new supplement formulations. 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