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Ukrainian-Born Model Wins Miss Japan Re-igniting Identity Debate

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in the Machine. This was a

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From Stach comes Ghost in the Machine.

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Listen now wherever you get your podcasts. So

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we are 20 metres away from a house

1:25

and it says very clearly, Van den Driesje.

1:29

Wow. Hello everyone

1:31

and welcome to the Abroad in Japan podcast. Probably

1:33

the best way of learning about life in

1:36

Japan without actually being in Japan. I'm your

1:38

host Chris Broader, but joined as always by

1:40

England's top Japan enthusiast, Mr Pete Dalson himself.

1:42

Pete, thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me.

1:45

I'm going to be talking to you about the world's

1:47

most controversial sports car, the

1:49

Ford F-150. And I'm going to be talking to

1:51

you about the world's most controversial sports car, the

1:54

Ford F-150. And I'm going to be

1:56

talking to you about the world's most controversial sports

1:58

car, the Ford F-150. doing?

2:00

What's going on? I'm going

2:02

terribly actually Chris. It's very early

2:04

morning here in London and I've

2:06

run out of bigger

2:09

juice fruit punch which

2:11

is a drink that I was addicted to when I

2:13

moved down to London about 20 years ago and

2:16

it's basically a very sugary Jamaican

2:20

pop or soda and I

2:22

discovered that the shop down

2:25

the road sells it in huge quantities

2:27

and I bought it in huge quantities

2:30

but I've drank every single last bottle of it

2:32

and it's made me very sad that it's all gone. It looks

2:36

absolutely disgusting I've never seen that

2:38

in my life. Beautiful it's bright

2:40

red it tastes of I mean

2:42

it just says fruit punch I mean God

2:44

knows what's in it but I am absolutely

2:47

addicted to the potassium

2:49

sorbate the gumacacia the

2:52

glycerol ester of wood

2:54

resin. Good God no, that's terrible. Either way,

2:56

that doesn't sound good. No it doesn't sound

2:58

good but it tastes good and that's the

3:00

main thing so yeah I'm upset about the

3:03

lack of bigger juice in my life but

3:05

I'm happy about everything else. When

3:08

I was over in America last

3:10

year didn't like the chess boxing thing I did

3:12

a live stream with Ludwig and Connor at

3:14

Ludwig's house and we ate every

3:16

American cereal there ever was

3:19

and ever is and fuck

3:21

me the things that go in those

3:23

cereal it was pretty scared

3:25

like tricellular phosphate and all this horrible

3:27

like delicious I love

3:29

Lucky Charms those marshmallows are great but my

3:31

god if I had children I wouldn't let

3:34

them anywhere near the cereals in America. It's

3:36

weird isn't it I mean there is like

3:39

the food standards over there the old USDA USDA

3:41

or FDA I can't

3:44

remember either way foods foods USDA

3:46

do yeah USDA right okay USDA

3:48

certified lean I'm a man. Good

3:51

song. It is

3:53

a good song absolute banger late career banger

3:55

from the killers I would say that

3:58

we complain about here in

4:01

Britain about the EU overreach and stuff and

4:03

that's kind of why Brexit happened and that's

4:05

why we're no longer in the EU. Bendy

4:08

bananas Pete, bring back bendy bananas.

4:11

Their food safety standards are way

4:14

better than with so many stuff you see

4:16

in America bless them. Like

4:19

you have massive limitations about what you can

4:21

do food fights over there. Chlorinated

4:23

chicken. They can't guarantee the food

4:25

standards. But

4:28

yeah I mean wow. But

4:31

what I would say for American stuff is

4:34

it tastes better than anything in the world.

4:36

The Lucky Charms, the cereals you get in

4:38

like a buffet breakfast in

4:40

a sort of run down hotel, motel hotel

4:43

in America. They're just better. They just know how

4:45

to do breakfast better than us. I

4:48

think America's better in general Pete.

4:52

But I'm starting to think like my idea

4:54

of like a Japanese breakfast for

4:56

all the good it does yet is Natsuki

4:58

having a cigarette and a coffee. Yes.

5:02

What was Natsuki's breakfast? One cigarette, one coffee

5:05

and one more cigarette right? And one more

5:07

cigarette yeah. I mean that guy. That guy

5:10

pooping. That guy has a good breakfast. That

5:12

breakfast will kick you into high gear. I've done

5:14

it a few times and you do feel like

5:16

you can take on the world. But I feel

5:18

like a weight has been lifted. A

5:21

big weight. It's called Journey Across Japan. It's

5:23

finally gone. Fucking yes. It's

5:25

over. Did you have

5:27

a post edit cigarette? No

5:30

but I feel like I should have one now. I

5:32

can't believe it's over. I'm so happy. Now I

5:35

can actually do fun things again. Not

5:37

to say the last episode wasn't good. I

5:39

don't know if you've seen it yet but

5:41

we visited the first ever apartment that we

5:44

lived in in a abroad in Japan. First

5:46

three years and something. And it was really trippy.

5:49

We tried to get in there last year but

5:51

the person who was living there was like I

5:53

don't know who you are. I don't want a camera

5:55

in my apartment. Fair enough. Fair enough.

5:58

And then when I announced. Well yeah. that

6:00

we were doing journey across Japan, the guy living

6:02

in there now, American dude called John, lovely guy,

6:04

he was like yeah come on over, come film

6:06

it, and he let us in and it was

6:08

trippy as hell, going back to where it all

6:10

began. Did he

6:12

feel kind of, does he feel like he

6:14

lives in like John Lennon's house? Did

6:17

he feel like this hole in the

6:19

wall, this hole in the

6:21

wall, Chris made a rudimentary glory hole

6:24

for himself, just kind of like walking

6:26

around the house looking at what he

6:28

might have done to it, modifications? Well

6:31

he certainly kept the, he's kept the

6:34

kotatsu wooden table and he's kept the

6:36

LTV and he's kept

6:38

the mirror, so it was like, and

6:41

the kitchen area all looked the same, he got

6:43

rid of the ironing board which I used to

6:45

make my rudimentary dinners on,

6:47

chicken and camera there, because

6:50

he got like a proper working space for preparing food,

6:52

but like for the most part yeah, it was

6:54

almost as if it had been untouched and it was

6:56

really trippy, the first time I'd been back there in

6:59

nine years it was, so it was for

7:01

real, I was kind of like, and

7:03

he's got my position at the school

7:05

as well, so he's basically inherited every

7:08

facet of my life in

7:10

those first three years. Oh my god,

7:13

this is like a film, it's a

7:15

single light female, what's the one where

7:17

somebody just takes over somebody's world, somebody's

7:19

life, somebody's ideas. It's like a squeaky

7:21

Friday. Yeah, yes. But no, but

7:23

yes. But yeah,

7:26

it'd be cool to be

7:28

like, switch lives for a week, I

7:31

think very quickly, want to be back and take it. I do

7:33

have like, do you ever have like fantasies where you sort of

7:35

go, god I wish it would go back to when I was

7:37

like, you know, 22 or whatever, and

7:39

then, and you know, and make

7:41

different decisions and you know, I'd probably do things

7:43

a little bit more, in a more refined way, but

7:46

then I do sort of think about like, most of

7:48

the time when I was that age I was like,

7:51

nah, I'll stay, thanks, go on house. Should

7:54

have stayed working at that monkey zoo. Yeah,

7:56

I probably would have done a bit

7:58

more work. I wasted

8:00

an astonishing amount of time for a man

8:02

who didn't really have access to regular internet.

8:05

I don't know how I managed to waste

8:07

so much bloody time. I

8:09

mean, I went back and I was like, I did

8:11

kind of think wouldn't it be cool to go back

8:13

and relive those first two years? Like, Japan was such

8:16

an enigma, such a mystery to me at the time

8:18

because I could never really travel and explore the country,

8:20

right? You'd only get like weekends off and you can't

8:23

really go very far on a weekend

8:25

when you live that remote. So it was

8:27

kind of like very exciting. And now I've

8:29

done literally everything in Japan. I've

8:31

met like the biggest rock star, the biggest film

8:34

star, I've been to every prefecture, climb

8:36

Mount Fuji twice. I've done everything on

8:38

paper anyway, except perhaps fluently

8:40

master Japanese or learn a martial art.

8:43

There's still time. There's still time.

8:45

He's done everything. The one thing he couldn't

8:48

find in Japan was himself. That

8:52

should have been the tagline for the Appoint

8:55

Japan book. Yes, he

8:57

did make his own glory hole. I

9:02

think the only thing I'll say is

9:04

like, I don't regret what happened after

9:06

my life there in Sakuta. I'd

9:08

like to rewind it, go back and relive

9:11

it and whatnot. But I don't regret what

9:13

happened afterwards. I think things have turned out

9:15

pretty damn well for the most part.

9:17

I don't know why I'd change really. No, I don't

9:20

know today. I think I had a good run. But it's not

9:22

over yet. It's not over yet.

9:24

And also in the same episode, the

9:26

last JN Across Japan episode, I was handcuffed

9:29

to American Pete for a

9:31

day in the snowiest town in

9:34

all of Japan, which you should never do. I

9:36

don't know why we had that challenge that fucking

9:38

day. Just simply because if you slip over, you're

9:41

taking the other person down with you. There

9:44

was one point, I think it wasn't on

9:46

camera, but there was one point where I think Pete

9:48

slipped or I slipped and there was a, we're in

9:50

this town called Ginzan, this magical Hayao

9:52

Miyazaki town. And

9:55

it's all snowing hard as hell and like there's

9:58

a beautiful steamy river throughout. nearly

10:00

took a tumble into it and I nearly went with it

10:02

and luckily I managed to get my footing at the last

10:04

moment but that would have been a very different

10:07

end to journey across Japan

10:09

being airlifted to Yamagata General

10:12

Hospital. Still chained to paint. We

10:14

can't get the chain off, we can't get it

10:16

off. Fused forever. Having to do

10:18

an operation we'd like to tell you in

10:20

there like Siamese twins. We can't separate them.

10:23

We're gonna have to kill one of them but

10:27

I'm really happy with that one. It's done, let's

10:29

never speak of journeys across

10:31

Japan ever again. Let's never

10:33

do that. Don't regret doing

10:36

it there. I was fun, it was fun. We've got a

10:38

story this week from Dallas.

10:40

That's a cool one. Dallas. From

10:42

Long Beach, California. Hello, Athle-Chris and laughable Pete.

10:44

I arrived in Japan around the end of

10:47

November 2022 and as a newbie I just

10:49

quickly found myself looking for a local watering

10:51

hole. I knew this would be a difficult

10:53

endeavor as my Japanese is middling at best

10:56

and I was with three friends which might

10:58

present a problem given the smaller bars within

11:00

the famed Golden Guy District. Seeing a sign

11:03

in English that said Outlander Bar we popped

11:05

in immediately seeing a guy in

11:07

his late 20s with short hair a

11:09

goatee and enough tattoos to make a

11:11

coloring book jealous. Was it Pete

11:13

Donaldson? The bartender motion

11:16

for us to sit and told

11:18

us that Crazy Tanaka-san was on

11:20

route Crazy Tanaka-san. Fuck it.

11:22

It was like an announcement for a circus

11:24

act that you just can't miss and so

11:26

we stayed put. Right he say.

11:29

In strides a middle-aged man with glasses

11:31

and a full three-piece suit. Not

11:33

the image of Crazy as his name

11:35

suggested he looked ready to negotiate a

11:37

crime deal not join a shindig at

11:39

a snug bar. After claiming and downing

11:41

his usual poison he then turned his

11:43

gaze my way. You American. Speak English.

11:46

It dawned on me at this moment that we may have

11:48

picked the wrong bar. Here I was in a foreign land

11:50

in a room filled with the misfits of Japan and I

11:52

was sure our group would

11:54

go missing before sunrise. As

11:56

I quickly learned though he wasn't crazy

11:58

in the Quentin Tarantino sense. but

12:00

earned the title through drinking crazy

12:02

amounts of alcohol. It's

12:04

not crazy, this is an alcoholic. Offering

12:07

me beer after beer, he told me

12:09

his stories of travelling the world. He

12:11

just so happened to be a diplomat,

12:13

not a crime boss, at

12:15

the stroke of 2am with a wink and

12:17

a nod, crazy Tanakasan, bid us farewell and

12:19

disappeared into the night. When I

12:22

went to pay my tab, it was already settled.

12:24

Tanakasan had paid for all the drinks. It

12:26

was everything I wanted in a night

12:28

out, and I felt so lucky to

12:30

have had such a memorable night. Thank

12:32

you guys, love the podcast. Dallas from

12:34

Long Beach, he survived an encounter with

12:36

crazy Tanakasan. Crazy Tanakasan, I like that,

12:38

because it could have gone

12:41

either way, like Tanakasan, why are you so crazy? Because

12:43

he's very in debt, he keeps on paying

12:45

for everyone's drinks. It

12:48

sounds like a 65-year-old British

12:50

man's impression of what

12:53

a Japanese person would like. A man who's

12:55

like crazy Tanakasan, isn't it? That's

12:59

great though, he wasn't so much crazy

13:01

as a raging alcoholic, he just dealt

13:03

with a mid-a-ball amount of beer. Absolutely

13:06

get it down, yeah. I

13:09

want to find this place, he didn't really... Where

13:12

was it? It was in Golden Guy, so... Outlander

13:14

Bar. Outlander Bar? I

13:16

don't know whether these bars change

13:18

hands very, very quickly, but

13:21

every time you walk past one, it seems to have changed

13:23

name, ownership, and

13:26

there's even fewer chairs in there. I'm

13:29

seeing if I can find it. It is there, oh

13:31

wow, it is there on Google. 3.3

13:34

stars out of 5, with only 3 reviews. Let's

13:38

guess, I wonder if Tanakasan is... When

13:41

we bash through the news story, I'll

13:43

see if there's any reviews talking about

13:45

Tanakasan. Oh no, there's

13:47

a review. I found

13:49

one, right? It's a review from Joanne,

13:51

who gives it one star out of

13:53

five. This was four months ago, fairly

13:55

recent, and she says, the guy who

13:57

runs this place is incredibly rude, he kept running.

14:00

and other customers to finish our drinks and order

14:03

more or leave. We spent 6,000 yen for 3

14:05

whisky shots in 45 minutes. We

14:10

found out later that you should only have cost about 800 yen

14:13

to 1,000 yen each. The

14:15

other customers walked out as well. And

14:19

then the next one's like, the best bar

14:21

I've been to in Shinjuku? Samurai...ask for Samurai

14:23

Style. I was run by the coolest

14:25

man in Tokyo. Samurai Style is another man

14:27

who comes... He drinks less

14:29

but he's way more intense. Tenaka-san

14:32

in a 50 cost. Tenaka-san.

14:34

Is it 6,000 yen for 3

14:36

whisky shots? Is that absolutely

14:38

obscene? Not London-wise. That's cheap

14:41

for London. I

14:43

think if...I mean, Shinjuku...like Golden Guys, I

14:45

think, are a great price. Golden Guys are expensive

14:47

as hell, isn't it? Yeah, it's not worth it.

14:49

It's called like Walkthrough but I don't really drink

14:51

there apart from bar deathmatch in hell where

14:53

the prices are reasonable and the guy's really cool. And

14:57

there's like a disfigured Yoda in

14:59

the corner. But like, I recommend

15:01

Golden Guy type Walkthrough and be

15:03

wowed by the atmosphere. But

15:05

I'm not so sure on the bars. I did

15:07

go to a good one with Connor and Pete

15:10

on one of their live shows. But yeah, you

15:12

just got to be lucky to do your homework,

15:14

look at some reviews. Bar

15:17

Outlander. See if any of you guys have

15:19

been to Bar Outlander and met Crazy Tenaka-san,

15:21

let us know. Send us an

15:23

email or a comment in the

15:26

YouTube comments below. But this

15:28

week's news story involves identity

15:32

and it involves a goddamn

15:34

competition that I loathe called Miss

15:36

Japan. Pete fill us

15:38

in. What's going on in Japan this week? Identity

15:40

and Miss Japan. Oh,

15:43

pretty ladies. There

15:45

have been racial barriers and it has been

15:47

challenging to be accepted as Japanese, said

15:50

a tearful Carolina Shino

15:53

in impeccable Japanese after she was

15:55

crowned Miss Japan on Monday. A

15:57

26 year old model who was born in Ukraine

15:59

moved to Japan. Japan at the age of five

16:02

and was raised in Nagoya. She's the first naturalized

16:04

Japanese citizen to win the

16:06

pageant, excuse me, but

16:08

her victory has reignited a debate on what

16:10

it means to be Japanese. While

16:13

some recognize her victory as a sign of the

16:15

times, others have said she does not look like

16:17

a Miss Japan should. Her win

16:19

comes nearly ten years after the model Ariana

16:21

Miyamoto became the first biracial woman to be

16:23

crowned Miss Japan in 2015.

16:26

Back then with a Japanese mother

16:28

and African American father, Miyamoto's victory raised

16:30

questions about whether a person's mixed race should

16:33

be or could be eligible to win the

16:35

competition. Maschino, who was won

16:38

the Miss Japan on

16:41

Monday, has no Japanese parentage and it's upset

16:43

some on social media. Is this just a

16:45

Storm and a Key teacup though? Is it one

16:47

of those things where about three people comment and

16:49

the Daily Mail just gets the whole piece

16:52

out of it and it further kind of

16:54

accentuates what the objections

16:56

actually are. To be

17:00

honest, I'm not going to go through

17:02

all of the posts on X slash

17:04

Twitter about people questioning whether this woman

17:06

is Japanese or not. That's not for

17:09

anyone to decide apart from the woman

17:11

themselves. It does raise interesting

17:13

questions, not about biological

17:16

identities, but it certainly raises questions

17:19

about how far Japan's come when it comes

17:21

to people who aren't strictly

17:24

biologically born and

17:26

bred through some kind of genetic connection

17:29

to the Japanese people,

17:31

I suppose. It's a

17:33

different one, isn't it, Chris? To be honest, when I came

17:36

to the story and I just saw the headlines, I was like, if

17:39

you're going to make a

17:41

beautiful person in a lab, Japanese,

17:45

Ukrainian, you wouldn't go far wrong, would you?

17:47

I mean, you stick some Iranian in there,

17:49

maybe, because fit from Iran are usually beautiful.

17:51

But yeah, I mean, you'd be like, well,

17:53

that sounds about right. But I mean, Dr.

17:55

Donaldson's test tube, baby. I can't put a

17:57

little bit of... I'm going to do like

17:59

a... sort of 70s discourse on

18:02

about me making the perfect

18:04

beautiful woman. I put a

18:06

little bit of a radian

18:08

in my tube. But

18:10

yeah, it's an

18:12

anachronistic product in this world, Miss

18:14

Japan, all that shite. It

18:17

doesn't further anything, it's quite

18:19

tedious. But in this sense

18:21

maybe it'll help hold

18:23

up a mirror to what the Japanese

18:25

think is who people are, Japanese,

18:30

who are Japanese and who are not Japanese

18:32

effectively. I suggest they're

18:34

probably not as advanced on that

18:36

particular note as the rest of the world

18:39

because they're an island nation and they are

18:42

very protective. We're an island nation. We're just as bad

18:44

as them, that's

18:47

the point. We're just as bad as them.

18:49

Well it's different, Japan is such

18:52

a large proportion of the country are homogenous, 95%

18:54

plus, 98%. Our empire has taken over most of

19:02

the world and claimed it as our own. We built a

19:04

railroad, Pete. We built a railroad for

19:09

the peoples of the world.

19:12

Enjoy. Awful people. It's

19:16

just a stupid topic. On the one

19:18

hand, I think you can cover it from both

19:20

angles. Number one, of course most Japanese people are

19:22

going to be like, is it

19:24

political, Ukrainian, Japanese, national

19:26

winning? Because most Japanese people support

19:28

Ukraine and what's going on there.

19:30

So there's already a political aspect.

19:33

But I think if you ask most Japanese people, they

19:35

wouldn't see her as Japanese. She's been here since

19:38

five, both her parents are

19:40

Ukrainian but she moved here with her mum who

19:42

remarried a Japanese guy. Speaks

19:44

Japanese fluently, thinks like a Japanese person

19:46

by all means. But

19:49

it all comes down to blood, doesn't it?

19:51

Right? In Japan and appearance, appearance and blood

19:54

are the most important things. Like,

19:57

there can be a bit of a pick and cheese element to

19:59

it. sometimes like

20:01

Naomi Osaka, the incredible

20:03

tennis player, she looks

20:06

Japanese but she's

20:09

not overly fluent in Japanese and

20:11

she only picked up her passport age 22 but

20:14

most Japanese would say, yeah, of course she's Japanese,

20:16

also helps she's one of the world's best tennis

20:18

players. That kind of looks good

20:20

for the country as well. Oh yeah, if you

20:22

look at naturalised Brazilian citizens have always been quite

20:24

good at football and

20:27

a lot of that country will just claim a lot

20:29

of decent Brazilian football as their own

20:32

and they have every bloody right to be naturalised citizens

20:34

and naturalised citizens for a reason. You

20:36

put the time in, it's meaningless wherever you get dropped

20:38

on this earth. I've

20:41

had different feelings on this story but I think of

20:43

course feathers are going to be ruffled, I

20:46

think a lot of Japanese

20:48

people over 40, 50 are going to be like,

20:51

oh she's not Japanese then on the

20:53

one hand. I

20:55

think my main takeaway though is why the

20:57

fuck is Miss Japan still, what Miss World,

20:59

Miss Universe, I hate them all, what a

21:01

load of absolutely crap. They always look the

21:04

same as well. I don't like to comment

21:06

on features or appearances but they just look

21:08

so, they look like they've been

21:10

grown in a lab as discussed, they look

21:12

like they've been created in a little sort

21:14

of RPG and like any kind of deviation

21:17

from the normal kind of like 1970s idea

21:19

of what it is to look

21:21

like a woman is like on an RPG kind

21:23

of character creator. Yeah, good point. A couple of

21:25

notches up and down, they all look the same.

21:29

It's like let's get the women

21:31

out like cattle on a stage in

21:33

swimsuits and like they don't really

21:36

get into, have they done anything good,

21:38

have they achieved anything good, it's like oh they

21:40

just look good in it, in a swimsuit. I

21:42

like that one of a shall we know. A

21:45

fucking derby doll. Remember that one? I

21:48

remember the woman, there was like a Miss

21:50

World from last year I think, everyone was

21:52

just sort of going and saying their names and

21:54

the Miss France just went France! Like

21:57

in a really pretty style. She became a meme for

21:59

a while. That was quite fun. Well,

22:01

I hate it. I think it's just a load

22:04

of trash and it's outdated. I love it, Chris.

22:06

I think it's sexy. You're part of the problem.

22:08

I think it's really sexy. Wow. Do

22:11

you remember? We've all got women coming

22:13

on, talking about Wellpiece and then turning

22:15

around. I think that's really hot. Toss

22:18

out a few lines about how Wellpiece is important. Do

22:20

a spin and a swimsuit. Job. Fred!

22:24

Absolutely shit. Do you remember the viral

22:26

video from 2007? Miss

22:29

Teen America. It is my

22:31

favorite video, I think, on YouTube ever. She's

22:33

asked about American geography. You ever

22:36

seen that clip? It's called

22:38

Miss Teen USA Pageant 2007. The

22:41

person on stage, when she comes up and

22:43

they have to ask, I have to answer

22:45

one question about Wellpiece or some generic geographical

22:48

bullshit. And someone went,

22:50

recent polls have shown a fifth of Americans can't

22:52

locate the US on a world map. Why do you

22:55

think this is? And then the

22:57

girl in question, Lauren, gave

22:59

the most fucking convoluted,

23:01

nightmarish answer. She said,

23:03

I personally believe that US Americans are unable

23:06

to do so because some people out there

23:08

in our nation don't have maps.

23:10

And I believe that our education, such as

23:12

in South Africa and the Iraq and everywhere

23:14

like such as, and I believe they should,

23:17

our education over here in the US should help

23:19

the US and should help South Africa. And

23:22

should help Iran and the Asian countries so

23:24

we'll be able to build up

23:26

a better future. It's

23:29

like a robot. It sounds like chat TBT.

23:31

It does. A shit version of chat TBT

23:34

carved up six different speeches about Wellpiece and just

23:36

mixed up into one frame. It's like the magnetic

23:38

word you get on the fridge. She's like, that

23:41

one, that one, that one, that one. I just

23:43

love the way she sort of

23:45

just suddenly went, and South Africa and Iraq and

23:47

everywhere, like the Asian countries. What are you on

23:49

about? What's that? I mean, you had all summer

23:51

to figure out what you are. It's

23:54

that Tim Robinson sketch. You can't just

23:56

turn up and just mix stuff up. Write

23:59

it before Iran for crying. yeah I mean it has

24:01

kids. The just kids that have kids. If if you've

24:03

never been asked to do anything because you know him

24:05

because you look a certain when. A. That

24:07

you've been forced into this kind of pigeonhole.

24:09

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Georgi be decrease in Python pizza. My husband

27:01

and I would shortages but it's three weeks.

27:04

It will be our first time and I'm

27:06

excited but also a bit overwhelmed. and your

27:08

podcast have been a tremendous help. Those

27:10

are like us. Chris I try to keep

27:13

a troll diarrhea scrapbook through during a Jedi

27:15

and recently read about different. Three to stamps

27:17

you can collect a train station, temples

27:19

and some stars. How hard is it

27:21

defines that stamps Still particular favorite sport

27:23

to get them. Maybe any other recommendations.

27:26

Fall Flat collectibles and keepsakes to stick

27:28

in a notebook. Oliver focused at the

27:30

right. Let's Mercer from the Netherlands am

27:32

a thing on. A recent episode

27:35

you install It was collecting

27:37

some some way I know

27:39

I. I collected some on them

27:41

on rub the islands and to them

27:43

you see them and seven elevens for

27:45

some reason. Rabbit. Islands

27:47

number of it has a chemical. Was

27:50

it the custom back of the chemical

27:52

weapons factory? Film. Analysts on an

27:54

island to bet. Is. To Charlotte does

27:56

haven't discussed and the next decade

27:58

Stump Boots made us. and

28:01

she, to be honest, I'm not somebody who

28:03

gets excited about stamps right, clearly. I'm

28:05

the grumpy, horrible man. And yet,

28:08

when I see Shala crack out a

28:10

stamp, like, every Michinoeki roadside stop

28:12

in Japan is like a stamp, and they're

28:14

pretty elaborate and quite good. I'm always amazed

28:16

by them. I can't remember the one we

28:18

had in the weird train station in

28:20

the video. It was the one where Shala and I had

28:22

to trade accents for a day. But

28:24

yeah, she found a cool stamp, and

28:27

I, it's cool. Cool,

28:30

cool. Collect the stamps, innit? Cool. Travel Japan,

28:32

collect all the stamps. But

28:34

it is, if you are going, handling a

28:36

journey, like I went to Japan recently, it's

28:39

a really nice little kind of keepsake that

28:41

doesn't break the bank when

28:46

you head to the airport.

28:49

Absolutely. Going to get some stamps. We've got one

28:52

here from Amanda from Canada, who says, LA Chris

28:54

and Pete, I've always wanted to visit Japan, but

28:56

I have severe health anxiety and panic disorder, which

28:58

makes me have multiple panic attacks a day, therefore

29:00

making travel very difficult. My question is how is

29:02

mental illness treated in Japan? Do you have any

29:05

tips of people who want to visit? Who

29:07

have panic attacks or any sort of

29:09

mental illness? Thanks, Amanda from Canada. Sorry

29:12

to hear that, Amanda. That can't be fun. I mean, I,

29:15

I often have

29:18

anxiety stuff, and if I'm

29:21

on a plane, I more than once I panic,

29:23

but to have it on that level must be

29:25

horrendous. And yeah, I mean,

29:27

mental illness in Japan was yeah,

29:30

it's almost as awful

29:33

a topic as the question

29:35

of identity in Japan as a foreigner

29:37

who's lived here 25 years, whatever.

29:40

I'd say, yeah, honestly,

29:42

I don't know. How would you visit Japan

29:45

with such an illness? My advice would be,

29:47

you know, come with friends and

29:49

family and probably

29:51

take some tablets before getting on

29:53

the plane. Like I knew a guy who had really

29:56

bad anxiety and he would take something that would like

29:58

knock him out on a plane ride. and

30:00

he'd magically wake up at the other end. Again,

30:03

I'm not Dr. Chris. Always take my

30:05

advice for the pinch of salt. But I'd say come

30:07

here with friends and family. If

30:09

you really want to plan everything out to a tee,

30:11

all the hotels, all the transport,

30:13

all the getting around, because yeah, if

30:16

you are an anxious traveler, Japan can

30:18

be quite anxiety-inducing. I think the greatest

30:20

anxiety people have is around kind of

30:23

cultural etiquette and cocking up and doing something

30:26

that might offend people, but you don't have

30:28

to worry about that, honestly. I've

30:30

never met anyone who's traveled here and

30:32

sort of done anything like that, unless

30:35

they've actually actively been

30:37

a dickhead, like a YouTuber

30:39

not paying on a train or causing mayhem

30:41

in a restaurant, as happened last year. But

30:43

for an everyday traveler, you

30:45

really don't have much to worry about. I

30:48

think that in many ways, a

30:50

lot of social anxieties come from, again,

30:53

not a doctor, but in my experience, a

30:55

lot of social anxieties are kind of people

30:57

thinking about what other people are thinking of

30:59

them effectively, and there is

31:01

a certain anonymity in the city, in

31:04

such a bustling kind of place.

31:08

Obviously, if you've got agoraphobia

31:10

or all of those things, all of

31:12

that good stuff that

31:14

really makes life difficult when it

31:17

comes to travel, obviously,

31:20

the big cities aren't the place for you, but

31:22

I think when you've got social anxieties about

31:25

saying the wrong thing or doing the wrong thing,

31:27

there is a certain anonymity to a big city

31:30

where nobody knows who you are. So

31:32

there's probably something to be said for that

31:34

as well. But again, not knowing precisely where

31:36

your anxiety lies would be difficult to sort

31:38

of give you any kind of advice

31:41

or coping mechanisms, and good God, you don't come to

31:43

here for anxiety

31:46

coping mechanisms. But yeah,

31:48

well, I hope you get there, Amanda.

31:51

I realize it's a massive undertaking, but

31:53

just don't put too much pressure on

31:55

yourself and use the strategies that you

31:58

presumably perfected over the years to... to

32:00

get out of because at the end of the day, feels

32:02

bloody good. That

32:05

it is, that it is. I hope you're able to

32:07

see where I come over, Amanda, with

32:10

some time and planning. Have you been able to

32:12

do it? We've got one last here from Riley.

32:14

He says, hello, guys. Quick question for Chris. Sorry,

32:16

Pete. I'm finally moving to Japan this May on

32:20

a working holiday visa, and I plan to travel

32:22

to Tohoku in North Japan and Hokkaido extensively the

32:24

first two months to hike and check out the

32:26

local temples and shrines. My question for you is,

32:28

do you reckon it's a cheaper

32:30

and better option to hire a car and

32:32

face the fuel and toll charges rather than

32:34

take the train buses everywhere? Obviously, I know

32:36

there's quite a few factors, but if you

32:39

were to estimate which he thinks the

32:41

cheaper option, I'm just unsure how much

32:43

road tolls rack up. Thanks, guys, Riley.

32:47

I would say cheapest

32:49

way is to train a bus, not driving. Because

32:51

to rent a car costs a bit of money. It

32:54

can cost about 8,000 yen a day, I'd say. Yeah,

32:57

about 8,000 yen a day. And then there's

32:59

the tolls on top of that. That could easily come out to

33:01

another 3,000 to 4,000 yen a day. The

33:04

petrol, insurance, all

33:06

sorts of factors. The only reason I say to hire

33:08

a car is if you

33:10

want to go places that are completely

33:12

inaccessible by trains and buses. And

33:16

a lot of North Japan, you can

33:18

get around it by train, but you wouldn't want

33:20

to necessarily, because you'd spend a lot of time

33:23

sitting, waiting around at train stations and riding

33:25

around, getting the wrong way. So

33:28

I'd say it's less

33:30

about the kind of cost, the more

33:32

about making the most of your time

33:34

in Japan, right? Here on your working

33:36

holiday visa. Do what I did,

33:38

get a credit card, destroy the credit cards. Get

33:42

the credit card, destroy the credit cards. Wait,

33:45

I'm a moron. Like when I was a student, I

33:47

liked no money, and I would always just pay for

33:49

stuff for my credit card. And the stupidest

33:51

thing I ever did, I went to Rome a weekend

33:54

with my friends. Spontaneous trip, we were

33:56

really bored on Friday. Well, I'd have to go to

33:58

Rome then. Went to Rome, rented some scooters. Crash

34:00

the scooter because some prick cut me up

34:03

in front of the Vatican and

34:05

I crashed into a wall and the scooter

34:07

cost Well,

34:10

the scooter cost 2,000 pounds and

34:12

there was like no insurance or anything So I had to

34:14

pay to what was supposed to be like a quick fun

34:16

little trip to Rome Was the most

34:18

expensive two days of my life all

34:20

went on the credit card and I paid it

34:22

off eventually and we all lived Crappily

34:26

ever after No, just

34:28

such shit advice on the broad Japan podcast

34:30

from dr. Chris. Yeah Anything

34:33

listen to us Just

34:36

terrible advice all around keep the stories questions comments

34:38

coming into broad Japan [email protected] We'll back later in

34:40

the week guys to ever again But for now

34:43

my way might be out there in the big

34:45

wide world of a separate great few days We'll

34:47

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