0:00

Alright, alright, alright. I

0:16

would like everyone to know what the

0:18

routine is when we get on here. Yeah,

0:21

please enlighten me. Well,

0:23

you know it. Everybody else,

0:25

if you're wondering what it looks like five seconds

0:27

before we get on, every time, almost

0:29

400 episodes in. Okay,

0:32

now. Christine likes

0:34

to... Just in case. Well,

0:36

maybe if you wanted to step up and do one,

0:38

you could do it too. Do

0:40

it to step up and do what? Okay, I

0:42

thought you were going to complain about how I do the Ready,

0:45

Set, Go or whatever. Oh,

0:47

I wasn't going to complain about it. I was going

0:49

to compliment it, but we could get

0:51

nasty if you'd like. Damn, okay.

0:54

I don't know. In the past, you've really made some

0:56

faces, so I was just reading between the lines. But

0:58

anyway, go ahead. Christine likes

1:01

to just double check with everybody every

1:03

time. With you, but

1:05

yes, everybody. Me and

1:07

then like a distant Eva's ears, I suppose.

1:09

Maybe, yeah. Likes to let all of us

1:12

know, just in case,

1:14

we're going to press record, and we're going

1:16

to go at the same time, that the zoom

1:18

goes. What the video feature goes.

1:21

And every time, which is interesting,

1:23

I do blackout right before. So

1:27

it is helpful. And what I

1:29

would like to say is it's interesting how

1:31

it mirrors the five seconds after we record,

1:33

which is every single time Christine forgets what

1:36

episode we just covered. Oh,

1:38

after we record, yes. After we

1:40

hang up or like after the episode ends, then Em

1:42

has to announce the number. I have to say the

1:44

episode number. So Christine knows how to title her episode.

1:47

And then four seconds later, I go, what was it?

1:50

And you're like, no, I said 371. And

1:53

I'm like, oh, okay. So it takes

1:55

a couple of times to really register. But I do

1:57

thank you for your service in that regard. I

2:01

think it's interesting that you're always Just

2:03

you're having gentle reminders right before right before not

2:05

even a whole minute before and then I always

2:08

give a gentle mind Or immediately after not even

2:10

a gentle. Yeah, I'm the one who needs the

2:12

reminder I I think I don't really know how

2:14

to start the timing I mean, I think we're

2:16

supposed to clap also and I just I it

2:18

gives me so much anxiety to do the clap

2:21

That I don't do it. And I don't know

2:23

if I mean Jack. Let us know. Are we

2:25

making your life a living hell? I'm not sure

2:29

I don't know. It seems to work so far Well,

2:35

someone's clearly in better spirits than last week

2:39

I'm drinking tea which has never happened and you know

2:41

that it's not a good sign Right,

2:43

like if I'm drinking tea and not coffee

2:46

something is awry. So you're not feeling good.

2:48

I'm feeling like trash, but I'm better

2:51

I'm better. I'm better. I'm better. I think the

2:53

thing now is that I'm just like so deeply

2:56

nauseous and I yes to answer

2:58

your question. I have taken 72 Pregnancy

3:01

tests because I'm just paranoid at this

3:03

point. I didn't think about that. I

3:06

sure did. I've been nauseated for Days

3:10

and it's just getting worse because I can't really

3:12

eat and so I think I'm hungry But then

3:14

like if I try to eat I just get

3:16

sick Anyway, so I'm drinking tea

3:18

like what the fuck is that all about? Anyway,

3:22

I so I'm okay. I'm just really nauseous, but

3:24

I'm not pregnant. So, huh Leona

3:31

reigns for another day. All right, literally

3:33

yesterday in the car Leona said My

3:36

whole family is here and I said yeah It's

3:38

mommy and daddy and you're in the back She

3:41

said and I'm the baby and I in my

3:43

head went knowing I was gonna go

3:45

home and take a pregnancy test like oh God Please

3:48

be the baby. I can't do it. I

3:50

do it girl. That's exactly right girl. You

3:52

stay the baby for now. Okay And

3:56

so thank God she's still the baby and

3:58

I'm still a big baby And

4:00

I'm, um, I'm, I'm, I'm,

4:02

I'm, I'm so thrilled. Uh, but I can only

4:04

drink tea. So, you know what, what good is

4:07

it? I can't even drink wine because I'm so

4:09

ill. So you know what? So you

4:11

might as well be pregnant. Might as well

4:13

be pregnant. Nope. Don't say that. Take that back.

4:15

Nope. Nope. Nope. The universe. Anyway.

4:19

Okay. How are you? M I am in better

4:21

spirits. You're right. As you can tell, I even

4:24

put makeup on because last time I

4:26

went downstairs and Blay said, you look really nice today. And

4:28

I said, really? Em, tell me I looked like shit. I

4:33

didn't mean it, but I will say it was also

4:35

through a camera. You're about this big on my

4:37

screen right now. So maybe I was wrong, but

4:39

I also, I think I just heard

4:42

it in your voice. How miserable you were that

4:44

any perception of you was going to be. It was very funny because

4:46

blade said it right afterward. And I went, is

4:48

that like his thing? Does he like my sickly

4:50

Victorian look? Maybe that's what I need to maybe

4:53

he's a little bastardly like that.

4:55

Maybe he's into that. Dastardly. Feels

4:58

like something boys. You're not, you're not.

5:02

I'm very modern. I'm like, get with the program. Christine.

5:04

Let's go put on some fucking Rouge.

5:06

Okay. Come on.

5:09

Um, how are you? Well,

5:12

not pregnant also. So, um, I haven't.

5:14

Congratulations. I just got a feeling. Thank

5:17

God. Yeah. You know, when you

5:19

know, you know, uh,

5:21

no, I don't cause I'm constantly in a state

5:24

of like, is it possible?

5:26

And then the world's like, no, you're like, you

5:28

just had a baby four hours ago. And I'm

5:30

like, but you never know. I got to say

5:32

people who are heterosexual and

5:35

active, I would also

5:37

be terrified constantly. I don't think you

5:40

get enough. Um, I think from, from

5:42

the day I became sexually active, I,

5:44

there are texts going back to like 20,

5:47

whatever year with Renee that are just like, few,

5:50

few, few, like every

5:54

couple months. And

5:56

there wasn't even, it was like, we were practicing like,

5:58

I'm a part of safe sex. Okay. It's just

6:00

like you know, there's that 0.01% chance.

6:02

Yep, right. And you will be the one who

6:04

gets that situation So thank you. You get it.

6:07

I'd be terrified if I were you. I don't know how you

6:09

look constant here either

6:13

Anyway, I will the day will if

6:16

I ever get pregnant that will be a

6:18

day to really just the fear will ignite

6:20

and I Won't even the

6:22

world will will absolutely just shiver.

6:25

I can't wait for that Just

6:28

kidding I can and I don't want it. Oh How

6:32

am I doing? Um, I'm sleepy we're recording

6:34

earlier than usual I Mean

6:39

it's not your fault I also We're

6:44

living in chaos because we just got sprayed last

6:47

week for the roaches And so we're

6:49

just living in piles currently because everything had to

6:51

be like all of our food

6:53

anything that's ever been in the cabinet is all shoved

6:55

into the fridge or the freezer or the

6:58

microwave like I just like It's

7:03

just a little chaotic okay Be careful

7:05

when you turn the oven on cuz I've done that

7:07

where I stored things in the oven and then I

7:09

preheated the oven I Mean

7:12

do we not remember like episode one when

7:14

my very first? On

7:17

this episode like left a toaster in the oven

7:19

or something that Egyptian guy set your kitchen on

7:21

fire I forgot about that. He melted it. He

7:23

melted everything in there It was why I melted

7:26

everything in there But it's because he left everything

7:28

in there and I didn't know if the toaster

7:30

in the oven who does that It's

7:32

like hindsight Unbeknownst to me. I apparently

7:34

that's a cultural thing. I've By

7:39

a few people that like Apparently

7:42

they just a lot of people that

7:44

are like Egyptian have used ovens

7:46

as extra storage, which I got Many

7:51

times I think it makes perfect sense, but I've

7:53

just ended up with a Fire

7:56

extinguisher, you know as part of the problem

7:58

as part of the solution Yeah, it

8:01

never even occurred to me

8:03

that it... I get it, but

8:05

I had not lived with that

8:07

experience before and it just melted

8:10

everything. You know, it's like when they

8:12

say like, go out and live in the world. Go

8:17

learn something. Go live in the

8:19

world. You get it. Go learn a thing

8:21

or two. And then like at the end of your

8:23

days, you're on your deathbed and you're like, wow, I

8:25

learned that sometimes you need to fuse. You use

8:27

it up in a storage and sometimes my friend Christine

8:30

did that also. Yeah. So

8:32

you know what? We've really grown as people

8:34

on this earth, I think. Thank

8:37

God. First lesson. Check

8:39

it off. Check. And what

8:41

else? I mean, I

8:44

don't really have anything going on right now. I'm about to

8:46

go to

8:49

Pittsburgh before you, do a little exploring.

8:51

Yeah. Wait, are you flying out

8:53

tonight? Yeah. Wow.

8:55

Like a red eye. Yeah. Which

8:58

I'm kind of upset about. I wanted to leave

9:00

earlier because now I'm only going to have one

9:02

full day before Pittsburgh to do stuff. I like

9:05

to try to do at least one and a half

9:07

if not two. And

9:10

I think I'm probably going to because I'm

9:13

there's a lot on my itinerary. I'd like to

9:15

get done. I'm not going to be able to

9:17

do it. I'm really struggling with like, like

9:21

just fucking relaxing. I think

9:23

I've been using travel as like a

9:25

place to focus my

9:27

hyper fixations. And

9:30

I've been thinking like, oh,

9:33

like I'm really going to take advantage of travel this year.

9:35

And I'm really going to take advantage of the fact that we're going to

9:38

so many cities that are really cool and I've never been to and I

9:40

want to explore. So if I

9:42

only get a certain window of time, I

9:44

have to really carpe diem the shit out

9:46

of that. Like make the most of

9:48

it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

9:51

I'm just letting things slip through the cracks. I've

9:54

been waking up super early and going to bed super late,

9:56

just trying to do as many things as possible

9:58

because I don't know when I'll be back in that city. to

10:00

a point where I'm now like falling

10:02

asleep backstage because I'm like you Literally?

10:07

We were sitting there. I'm not kidding.

10:09

Even not I'm only talking about you

10:11

brought it up Well, it's not gonna put you on the spot. But

10:13

now I will Even told me later

10:15

was like you fell asleep backstage and I

10:17

like didn't even notice myself not serious.

10:19

Okay, you were Yeah,

10:23

yeah my friend you were we're sitting

10:25

there just having a perfectly normal conversation

10:27

like literally 25 minutes before the show

10:30

What show was that that was when we were up in that makeshift

10:33

green room and they brought us all that great cheese Yeah,

10:36

I remember shows. I don't know what town I'm in

10:38

ever but I know it was great Yeah, we remember

10:40

them by the green rooms Yeah so

10:43

we were back there and we were like even

10:45

I were coloring the tarot cards you got her and

10:47

having a grand old time and Talking real loud and

10:49

then all of a sudden you hear And

10:52

we look over and I don't even mean over like

10:54

I mean we're all three sitting in a little circle

10:56

And em is just sitting there in a chair with

10:59

their head back and just like Old

11:02

man in a bark a lounge or like asleep

11:05

and even I just like look at each other

11:07

and kind of start laughing But

11:09

then we're like getting a little loud But

11:11

then it's very clear. You're not gonna wake up no matter

11:13

what so we just went back to our activities But you

11:15

really were just Snoozing and then

11:17

even I were so nervous because we were like we don't

11:19

want to wake up We came up two

11:22

minutes before the show then they're gonna have like a

11:24

freak out, you know Adjusted

11:26

to the waking world their body is

11:28

left building So I don't know

11:31

you eventually woke yourself up and we just pretended

11:33

like we didn't see you just snore

11:35

for It looks

11:37

like quite a delightful power nap you got you

11:39

know, yeah Well, I yeah,

11:41

I don't really know what happened there. Although I

11:44

mean I've been trying

11:46

this thing where I'm like For

11:50

a long time up until

11:53

this tour I Have

11:55

been so truly I don't

11:57

know another word but Catatonic

12:01

paralyzed fear there's the idea

12:03

another word catatonic is encapsulates

12:06

the entire essence of your being I'm

12:08

like I'm not who like what you're hearing and

12:10

and to all the people who like are Writing

12:13

online like oh, I'd love to meet you if you

12:15

ever met me right before a show you Have

12:20

and I feel bad I still think about them. I'm

12:22

like, oh my god, they got the worst experience ever

12:24

No, you know you always apologize. It's just so sweet.

12:26

You're like, I'm sorry. I'm like this right now You're

12:30

always very very kind and understanding but

12:33

yeah, you you really aren't feeling it.

12:35

Well, I've always been Like

12:39

I've been I'm trying really

12:41

hard shout out to Jordan all the therapy is like

12:43

going. Okay so far I'm

12:45

like, I feel like I'm a different person backstage

12:47

than I have been in the past you are

12:49

and one

12:52

of the things that I'm trying to do is instead of

12:56

In the past I would just like lie in the

12:58

hotel room and just like think about like Like

13:01

at some point today. I have to leave the

13:03

hotel and get in a car and go to

13:05

the theater and yeah You're a guy who is

13:07

my site going and cycling and cycling. Yeah. Yeah

13:09

so now I'm trying to do a thing where like I

13:13

Force myself to leave the hotel room and

13:15

the show just feels like another thing for

13:17

the day where it just feels like I

13:19

like that. It's like an errand essentially Yeah,

13:21

which like not that I don't

13:23

want other people to think you know anything negative

13:26

on that But I think my brain has to

13:28

treat it as something smaller than it is So

13:31

I've been trying very smart. I've

13:34

been trying to do a lot of stuff before and after I'm like

13:36

Oh, I'm gonna have a whole day and then I'm gonna get to

13:38

the theater I do a quick little show quick little

13:40

show quick little show and then I'm like gonna go to the bars

13:42

and I'm gonna go Out and try this. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

13:44

Okay. Well, I forgot about this and this is so

13:47

funny because I meant to bring this up Blaze

13:50

and I were just talking about this and he

13:52

reminded me because I had been drinking So I

13:54

was like, I don't totally I mean, I wasn't

13:56

blacked out, but I was like there was so

13:58

much going on I didn't really remember,

14:00

but Blaze remembered in

14:02

Chicago, the day of the show.

14:04

What? It was so funny. The

14:08

day that Blaze

14:11

still talks about the day of the show. So

14:14

we did the show in Chicago. It was great.

14:16

It was awesome. My sister came. I found

14:18

a peephole and like looked at everybody inappropriately

14:20

like a little pervert. It was a whole

14:22

thing. Anyway, we'll talk about that another time.

14:25

But as we were leaving, the car was

14:27

waiting outside. And

14:29

so we all get in the car and M was

14:31

like, oh, I'm and Blaze came to

14:33

the show as well. So he got

14:35

in the car with us and my sister and we're

14:38

all heading back to the hotel. And M was like, oh, I'm going

14:40

to go out and see some bars tonight

14:42

and go bar hopping and see some sights.

14:45

And I'm like, I'm going to bed. And so we're

14:47

on our way back and we're about to the car

14:49

is about to start. And M goes, oh, wait, I

14:51

just realized that the first place I want to visit

14:53

is only one hundred and fifty feet from here. And

14:55

so like M like yeets themselves

14:57

out of the car and says, hey, you

14:59

take the suitcase. And I'm like, OK. And

15:02

M runs off. Right. So we're

15:04

about to get going. We're like, all right. I think we're

15:06

all set. Let's go. And like the

15:08

guy turns the car on. We're about to go. And

15:10

M comes back, leans through into the back row of

15:12

seats and goes, Christine, can I have ten

15:15

dollars for cover? And I'm like, what about your

15:17

dad? So I'm

15:19

like, OK. And

15:21

I like go through my bag and I mean, it's

15:24

tour money, like it's money that like is

15:26

a communal for us to use. So it wasn't like

15:28

I was like loaning. But you were like, can I

15:30

have ten dollars? And so it was like ten dollars

15:32

go buy yourself an ice cream and you go running

15:34

off into the middle of the night like 30 a

15:36

night. And it

15:39

was like, it was the loudest thing. And just ran

15:41

back and asked you for ten bucks and then just

15:43

fucking bolted off to off to

15:45

I don't know, see the sights. Go

15:47

live the nightlife. You know, I do remember

15:49

thinking I was like, I don't know. I

15:52

was like, I don't think they've ever seen me run before, but I

15:54

was running because I knew I was in the car.

15:56

You were running. You were like, I need that ten bucks

15:58

for cover. And I was like, first of all. The fact that

16:00

you don't drink and they still want to cover

16:02

from you is incredibly rude. Like, yeah, well, hey,

16:04

I can agree. Oh, wait, I guess

16:07

it's not because you're not going to spend the money on booze.

16:09

So maybe they want you to spend the money on. Anyway,

16:11

I definitely spend more money on a cover than

16:13

I do on my own mocktail. That's four dollars.

16:15

But true. But I do think it's funny that

16:18

like, first of all, I never have cash

16:20

on me ever. I know. You

16:22

would think they would just have like the

16:24

square and be like, you'd think so, because

16:26

I was so shook that

16:28

I even had 10 bucks. But it's only because

16:30

Willie Nelson has been apparently giving gas money to

16:33

artists who are touring. And so sometimes we go

16:35

to a show and a venue is like, oh,

16:37

Willie Nelson gave this to you and we're like,

16:39

what? And they're like, well, he gave it to

16:41

everybody, not just you. But yeah, it's very special.

16:44

Willie Nelson is responsible for like

16:46

half of the tour merch I have now. And

16:48

like, yeah, he's given us

16:50

laundry bags for the laundry bags and game

16:52

changer. They even say on the road again,

16:55

because I guess he's doing this like thing

16:57

with venues where he's like helping pay kind

16:59

of like offset the cost of like gas

17:01

and things like that for when you're touring.

17:03

So it's been awesome. But basically Willie Nelson,

17:05

I call him Uncle William, but he paid

17:07

for your cover. I just kind of

17:09

was the middleman, so to speak, you know, when

17:12

that gets lost in translation. Yes, Willie Nelson

17:14

did come to a bar with me and

17:17

he paid my cover charge. It was so nice. It

17:20

was so thoughtful of him. He

17:23

wants you to have a good time. So

17:25

I'm glad you're exploring more and having it

17:27

seems to me as an outsider, but it seems

17:29

like you have really been, I don't

17:31

know, finding finding your

17:34

chutzpah again. Well, thank

17:36

you. I'll have to say I'm a little I'm a

17:38

little bummed that I'm not going to be having the

17:40

amount of time that I would usually like in Pittsburgh

17:42

because one day only four hours from my house and

17:44

I love Pittsburgh. So if you ever want to do

17:46

a little roadie trip, you could

17:49

do a roadie trip in the direction of the show. You

17:51

have the next day and you can come hang out with

17:53

me. I am. I'm flying

17:55

out tomorrow. Oh,

17:57

I thought you were coming in the next day. OK. No,

18:00

I'm flying tomorrow. Fine,

18:03

you win now. Now you're trapped. Now

18:06

you're trapped in the head with me.

18:08

Hee hee. Oh, quickly,

18:10

let's talk about a story before it gets even

18:12

hotter in here all of a sudden. Okay. Okay,

18:18

I do have a really,

18:21

a story for ya. One

18:24

that I spent quite a lot of time on, I'm

18:26

very excited about. Um,

18:29

I don't know how this hasn't been covered before, but

18:32

we are covering the Dakota. Is

18:36

that a boat? It sounds like

18:39

a boat, but it's not. I don't know what that is. I

18:42

don't, I don't expect you to know. Okay. But,

18:45

uh, this is a building on

18:47

Central Park West and West 72nd

18:49

Street in New York. I've

18:52

heard of this. Oh, so

18:54

you do know what's going on. I

18:56

think so. A little tiny bit.

18:59

Okay. I tried to add in a lot

19:01

of fun facts for you. I can't wait. Okay.

19:04

So this building was established in 1880 and

19:07

was finished in 1884. Like

19:10

it took those four years to be built. It's

19:12

called the Dakota Building and it's a luxury

19:14

apartment for the rich and famous. Mm,

19:17

that's why I know about it. Apparently,

19:19

very haunted. Remember when I knew about

19:21

it, but really I thought it was a boat. So clearly

19:23

I don't know anything about it. The

19:25

range of knowledge in the last two minutes from you

19:27

has been interesting because you went from, I

19:30

don't know, to ah, ah, ah, ah,

19:32

here we are. I'm rich and famous.

19:35

So I sure do know. You're

19:38

definitely not rich or famous enough for the Dakota.

19:40

I'll tell you that. They would laugh in your

19:42

face. Certainly not. Once again, let me clarify. I

19:45

thought it was a big boat. So I am

19:47

not the person to ask. I

19:49

think if you tried to go in there, they would say, ah,

19:52

you're not welcome here, but there is an old dirty boat.

19:54

You could probably sleep on something. Oh,

19:56

you're looking for that Dakota. Yes. Please go

19:58

under one of the. bridges you'll find

20:00

it there.

20:03

So this building was originally headed

20:05

by Edward Clark who was the

20:08

sewing machine magnate. There had to

20:10

be one. What

20:13

about Singer? He founded

20:15

the Singer manufacturing company. Okay

20:17

okay okay. This

20:20

building was also designed by the same

20:22

guy who did the Plaza Hotel and

20:24

the Waldorf Astoria. Ooh

20:26

la la. So immediately swanky. Edward Clark

20:29

said this is what we're doing and

20:31

it's gonna be big. And

20:34

it's gonna have beautiful little crown

20:36

molding. Probably. Probably.

20:40

The complex originally had 65 apartments.

20:45

When I say apartments I don't obviously mean

20:47

my like dirty roach infested apartments. I mean

20:49

like these apartments with a toaster in the

20:51

stove. These apartments are Gossip

20:55

Girl apartments. We're like very like

20:58

I've never understood. It's

21:00

such a baffling

21:03

concept to me when rich people

21:05

are living in obviously not an

21:07

actual apartment and call it

21:09

an apartment. I get that it's like stacked homes

21:12

in one building. I

21:15

get it. Do you think they call it an apartment

21:17

or is there another word for it? Serena

21:19

Vanderwooden did on Gossip Girl. She

21:22

did okay. Yeah well that's that's

21:24

that then. That answers that question. I don't

21:26

know any tighter source so true.

21:32

But yeah and they call it

21:34

apartments all throughout every note that I found. I

21:36

mean they call them apartments. But

21:39

apparently there were supposed to be 65 of them. Each of

21:41

these apartments ranged from

21:43

four bedrooms, poor,

21:46

gross, to like 20

21:48

rooms each. All right acceptable.

21:50

Yeah. So

21:55

originally 65 each with like let's

21:58

say an average of like a dozen rooms

22:00

each. And now

22:03

instead of 65 apartments, it's 103, because the stables

22:07

that came with this, remember, was built in the 1880s, so

22:09

they needed to pay for their horses.

22:12

Those, that's the stables have now been

22:14

turned into their own condos. So they added even

22:16

more apartments after that. Oh

22:18

my. One

22:20

source said that this building is

22:23

nicknamed the Dracula instead of the

22:25

Dakota because of its dark menacing

22:27

appearance. And it

22:30

was, it does look kind of like

22:32

it's a little spooky. Like gothic style.

22:34

Very gothic. Yeah. But

22:38

it does have obviously all the modern

22:40

amenities. It's essentially a five star resort.

22:42

They had all the things that the Vander Woodson's

22:44

would love, like clay

22:47

tennis courts, grass croquet

22:49

courts, a rose garden,

22:51

soundproof walls, fireproof staircases,

22:53

room service, a restaurant

22:55

inside a laundry system

22:57

or a laundry service,

22:59

a gym, 24 or seven round the

23:02

clock, housekeeping staff, elevator operators, and

23:04

it had its own in house

23:07

power plants. So the AC would never go

23:09

out or the heat would never go out.

23:11

Okay. My priority is the laundry. I don't

23:13

really care about anything else, but the laundry

23:15

service, man, I could use that. I

23:17

could use that too. But also I wonder

23:19

if they even have, well, in the

23:21

1880s, I was like, where are their

23:23

own washing machines? Why do they have to have shared

23:26

laundry services? I understand. In the

23:28

1880s. Okay. Yeah. The

23:32

building also has original gas lamps

23:34

from when the building was built.

23:37

Well, and they're still at

23:39

the front entrance and their boilers are

23:41

so powerful that they could heat

23:43

everything in a four block radius if it wanted to. Oh

23:46

my God, but they don't want that. I

23:48

know. No, we could help others, but we

23:51

won't know. Why would we? Fun

23:53

fact, Edward Clark, the founder of

23:55

this place, his apartment here, this

23:58

is so fucking bougie. had

24:00

sterling silver floors. What?

24:04

Can you polish the fucking floors to make

24:06

sure they don't tarnish? That's what I

24:08

was going to say. Can you imagine the polishing?

24:10

I can't imagine a more inconvenient floor. I

24:13

mean, truly the worst best.

24:15

If you're looking for the most

24:18

obnoxious material.

24:20

Proof of status. That's it, yeah.

24:24

You have to hire, again, round the clock

24:26

care for your floor. Also,

24:28

it would always smell like shoe polish. It would

24:30

be silver polish. They'd be just down there, tiny

24:32

little circles on the floor. Part of it would

24:35

always look gross because they're just scrubbing into it.

24:38

And also, are they on their hands and

24:40

knees unless he created some oversized mop or

24:42

something? I

24:49

doubt it. I'm sure they were down there. Another

24:53

fun fact, I mentioned that there were fireproof

24:55

stairs. What I meant

24:57

by that is that the architect wanted

24:59

to avoid fire escapes. Yikes.

25:02

Oh, sure. So unsightly. Which

25:06

I, one, probably because they

25:08

were unsightly. Two, I think

25:11

the plan from the beginning was the rich and famous

25:13

would be living here. And so I think it was

25:15

supposed to be a safety thing in terms

25:17

of creepy people. To

25:20

climb up. OK, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Let's

25:23

not let people be able to get in any other way except

25:25

for the front door. Gotcha, OK. But

25:28

still, this place is just like a walking

25:30

fire hazard. Right, right. So

25:33

they fireproof the stairs. The architect

25:35

literally does a quote, slathered mud

25:37

from Central Park between the layers

25:39

of brick flooring. Just

25:43

to give it extra insulation or something.

25:45

I mean, it soundproofed it and fireproofed

25:47

them. So sure. I

25:50

do like the idea of a whole

25:52

building for the rich and famous already

25:54

being soundproofed. Because can you imagine the

25:56

Gatsby parties? And if you're a musician.

25:58

Oh, imagine. musician you know that

26:00

you're not gonna bother your tenants. Yeah

26:03

I like that. That's a

26:05

fun little... And if you're a wealthy

26:07

serial killer, nobody

26:09

would know. Right, no one will hear

26:11

your screams exactly. Right. So

26:14

anyway the building somehow

26:16

since the beginning has not needed

26:18

fire escapes which is lovely but

26:20

there are 10 floors and over

26:22

100 apartments and no fire escapes.

26:25

So when the day comes we'll

26:28

hear. When? Okay. Whoa,

26:31

that's ominous. Not to

26:33

be, I mean it's amazing

26:35

there hasn't been a single safety

26:37

issue since the 80's. But

26:41

they have to have like updated it to

26:43

code right? Like legally? Somehow? I

26:45

don't know. Maybe, I

26:47

don't know. I didn't look that far. I didn't want

26:49

to know. I like the mystery. Okay.

26:52

Another fun fact because this place does look

26:55

a little creepy. This building

26:58

did all the exterior shots for the

27:00

movie Rosemary's Baby. That's

27:02

why I've heard of it and not that

27:04

I've seen that film obviously but I

27:07

have. I've listened to an episode on this

27:09

I think the lore or something but it was very short one

27:11

so I only know the bare

27:13

bones. Well yeah so

27:15

in the book Rosemary's Baby that

27:17

I guess the movie was adapted from

27:19

in the book the hotel or

27:21

the apartment complex is called the

27:24

Brantford and I was

27:28

a little confused. There was one source that I

27:30

think said that the Brantford

27:32

was inspired by

27:35

this building like this is literally

27:37

the Brantford that someone wrote about

27:39

and just changed the name in

27:41

the book or this building

27:43

just looked so similar to what people thought the

27:45

Brantford would look like that they filmed. I see.

27:48

So I don't know chicken or the egg I

27:50

don't know which one but

27:52

anyway this is if you've wanted to

27:54

see it before if you've watched Rosemary's Baby you have seen

27:56

it. Notable residents

27:58

who have been here because

28:02

these are like the upper class

28:05

of the upper class, the echelon,

28:07

upper echelon, if you will. Notable

28:10

residents of the Dakota have been,

28:13

and since this started in the 1880s, these are

28:15

people that maybe we don't know, but they were

28:17

very famous for the same. Lauren

28:21

Bacall, who was Humphrey

28:24

Bogart's mom, the

28:27

Steinway family of Steinway pianos,

28:32

the author Harlan Coban,

28:35

Bono, Ben Tchaikovsky,

28:38

Boris Karloff, who was

28:40

Frankenstein, which is like

28:43

so interesting that Frankenstein moved into the

28:45

Dracula. The Gothic. Yeah, the Dracula, yeah,

28:47

true. Rosemary

28:49

Clooney, or George Clooney's mom. Rosemary's

28:52

baby. Rosemary's baby.

28:54

Connie Chung, Judy Garland,

28:56

and Mr. Morry Povich.

28:59

Shut the fuck up. He

29:03

made it. I don't know how, but he made it. Come

29:05

on, Morry, okay. Now

29:08

here are some celebrities who have been rejected, which

29:12

is wild because when I think of Morry

29:14

Povich, I'm like, in

29:17

my mind, even though he's rich and famous,

29:19

I'm like, the echelon is dropping, I think.

29:21

I feel like it's not like this, he's

29:24

rich and famous, but yeah, I

29:26

would say he maybe doesn't have

29:28

the same status in a social

29:30

sphere. The heir. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

29:34

But so he made it, but guess who

29:36

didn't make it? Cher. No

29:38

way. Guess who didn't make it? Billy

29:40

Joel. Guess who didn't

29:43

make it? Madonna. They're

29:46

all singers, is that something? I

29:48

don't know. Maybe the property manager

29:50

who really liked watching Morry. Maybe

29:53

the soundproofing wore off, but they were like, we're

29:56

not Cher, get out of here. mud

30:00

in the floor doesn't really work very

30:02

well. We've said. Yeah. Uh,

30:05

Chair, Billy Joel Madonna, Carly Simon,

30:07

Alex Rodriguez, or A-Rod, Judd

30:10

Apatow, and power

30:13

couple Antonio Banderas and Melanie

30:16

Griffith, who, by the way, have

30:18

a daughter named Dakota, Dakota Johnson.

30:22

And I just watched her awful, awful

30:24

movie, Madam West. I saw your

30:26

TikTok. And I

30:29

mean, I wouldn't know when it was going to be bad. I

30:32

love Dakota, though. I love her. Her

30:34

interviews for this movie are hysterical because you can

30:36

tell that she's just, she's just

30:39

fulfilling a contract. Like she clearly,

30:41

I think she also

30:43

is not super stoked about this movie. Yeah,

30:46

I saw your TikTok about it. I didn't know

30:48

what was happening, but I read the comments and kind of

30:50

figured it out. But there

30:53

were comments like, Oh, poor Dakota. It's

30:57

very clear that I think she needed the paycheck or

30:59

wanted the paycheck or whatever. And now

31:01

she's just handling her obligations. But

31:03

in the interviews, the things that she, she,

31:07

they're like, tell me about the movie. And she's like, well,

31:09

it's a movie. She's like, I

31:11

have to. Uh,

31:14

anyway, so those are some people who got

31:16

rejected. Apparently applicants have to go through like

31:18

years and years and years and years of

31:20

taxes and financial statements just to

31:23

even qualify to live here.

31:28

So now I know Laurie is

31:30

a very upstanding financially savvy guy.

31:32

I got himself a good money manager,

31:34

I guess. Great for him. But

31:38

apparently some people have been leaving in the

31:40

last few years. Uh,

31:43

when they, when they sold their apartments, they

31:45

said that they're noticing the building

31:48

is no longer like focused towards creatives.

31:50

And it's more like they're just picking

31:52

rich people, which, uh,

31:56

I don't know really how I feel about that. It's

31:59

just a fun fact. everybody else I guess.

32:04

I feel like I

32:06

would also probably just if my whole thing

32:08

is rich and famous people maybe

32:10

the famous part is really inconvenient or

32:13

like the creatives part is like maybe

32:15

it is really loud I don't know so or maybe

32:20

it's supposed to be like a safe haven where you

32:22

know they can all live in apartments and not feel like

32:24

they're being stared at I don't know what the other side

32:26

of either side is that must have

32:28

hurt more these feelings he's

32:31

like I'm very creative is

32:34

that how I got in then hey well

32:38

fun fact again the

32:40

Dakota is one of the most

32:42

haunted buildings in New York or one of

32:44

the most haunted apartment buildings in New York

32:46

and it's even allegedly cursed and

32:49

this theory is a little wild but not

32:53

I feel like it still gets like at

32:55

least like a little footnote it's a fun

32:57

little mention that someone has the theory that

32:59

because the in-house power plant has

33:02

a lot of electrical energy

33:04

plus all of the celebrities that

33:06

live here their creative energy together

33:09

go hand in hand fist

33:12

bump and create powerful spiritual

33:14

energy and that's why the

33:16

celebs a little

33:19

too much credit but you know maybe not

33:22

or that power plant I

33:24

don't know yeah so

33:27

the paranormal history goes back at least to the 1930s which

33:30

would be only 50 years of the

33:32

building being around it could be earlier

33:34

but we at least know through the 1930s there

33:36

were spirits here in the 1930s the ghost of

33:39

Edward Clark the founder himself he

33:42

appeared in the basement to multiple

33:45

electricians who would go down there oh

33:49

there's one report of an

33:51

electrician showing up

33:53

and in the basement running

33:55

into a short but very

33:57

long-nosed man short but long

34:00

Okay, and he had

34:02

a big beard and apparently this guy approached

34:04

him Glared really intensely

34:06

at him and then

34:08

ripped his own to pay off and

34:10

started shaking it around. Oh dear

34:14

and Apparently

34:16

it happened. I think like

34:18

four times after that like like electricians

34:20

just kept having this happen to them

34:22

in the basement Which like oh my

34:25

god, what does it mean? Like what

34:27

does it mean? What a cipher? I'll That

34:31

is one way to leave a lasting impression as

34:33

a ghost. I would say I feel

34:36

like I feel like some

34:39

of the the Sites

34:41

I was looking at their theory was like maybe

34:44

he was just so mad at how a

34:46

previous elect Electrician did it that

34:48

there's residual energy of a time where he got

34:50

so mad. He just started like Rattling

34:53

around but like why would you rip your own

34:55

hair off and then I mean I've tried to

34:57

rip my own hair out out of frustration Yeah,

35:00

I imagine someone with such decorum as

35:02

this guy as this very wealthy man

35:04

with sterling floors It

35:10

honestly doesn't shock me that someone with

35:13

sterling silver floors actually was a bit

35:15

of a loose screw like Okay,

35:18

you know what fair point little

35:20

too tightly wound a little bit so

35:23

apparently they didn't know who this guy was until

35:25

the electrician actually saw a painting of him and

35:27

realized that it was the founder

35:29

of the building and then they like

35:31

covered up he like saw painting and then he like Covered

35:33

up the hair and was like yeah, they had a Now

35:40

I recognize him there's a guy also that

35:42

haunts his place named Joe He thought

35:44

that the Dakota was haunted and when

35:46

he died More activity

35:48

than ever kicked up in this building

35:51

doors would lock and unlock themselves open

35:53

and close themselves The elevators would start and

35:55

stop themselves And this was at a time

35:57

when they were like manually operated elevators The

36:01

trash bags would levitate, which

36:03

I didn't know you and I could levitate. Thank

36:06

you for including yourself in that. Oh,

36:09

I'm sorry. You and you also. Yeah,

36:12

you. Keep

36:15

shot, but I had to do it. Good for

36:17

us. But yeah, just a bunch of

36:20

like little random stuff would happen. People started

36:22

noticing a darker spirit in the basement, and

36:25

one employee apparently said that this big heavy shovel got

36:28

thrown at him from across the room. Oh, and

36:31

people started smelling pipe smoke when

36:33

nobody was around. People started seeing

36:35

a little girl in the windows

36:37

and small fires started mysteriously starting

36:39

themselves. Okay, well, they're testing out

36:41

this mud theory. I know.

36:44

Like you would think the one

36:46

building that doesn't have fire escapes, please don't be the

36:48

one that also sets fires by itself. Please don't practice

36:51

your pyromania here. Thank you. Yeah, not the place. Please

36:53

do it. Not today. Like down

36:55

the road at the boat with a fire escape,

36:57

apparently. The boat is in the

36:59

water. Do it there. One.

37:02

This one's I only got this from one

37:04

source, but it was weird enough that it has to get mentioned.

37:07

There's an elevator that apparently mysteriously

37:10

gets knife cuts all through its

37:12

interior. And it has

37:14

to regularly be refinished because people just walk

37:16

in and there's just small knife cuts all

37:19

over the elevator. Oh, that's gross. The

37:23

spirit that does this to the elevator

37:25

has been nicknamed the Phantom of the

37:27

Dakota and the Mad Slasher,

37:30

but not the Hashlinging Slasher. The

37:32

Hashlinging Slasher. Wow,

37:37

that's alarming. If you're in like

37:39

a beauty, it sounds like an

37:42

episode of Only Murders in the Building. Like there's like

37:44

a slasher in the beautiful apartment complex, you know? Also,

37:49

like imagine. OK, if you work in

37:51

hotels, please don't. You didn't hear this

37:53

part. But like one of my favorite

37:56

things to do when we're traveling is like go

37:58

exploring through the hotel at night. And,

38:00

but imagine, I mean, that's just, it's,

38:04

that's karma waiting to happen as you're just standing

38:06

in an elevator that cuts itself. Like now,

38:08

I'm in trouble. Well, I don't want to

38:10

be in that elevator by myself. I

38:13

would, sure wouldn't either. And like, is the knife there?

38:16

Is the knife invisible? Is

38:18

the knife floating? What if you're about to take

38:20

your like lovely old sweet mother to dinner?

38:23

You're riding the elevator and all of

38:25

a sudden, bam! Cut! Bam! Cut! Slice.

38:27

Slice. Yeah. See,

38:30

that's when you take your enemy there and then you

38:33

say, oh, I'll get the next one. And you just

38:35

leave them in that elevator. You say, okay, hit the

38:37

alarm, hit the emergency stop button. And then you go,

38:39

get her, boys! Yeah, just... Good luck! I

38:44

mentioned the ghost of a little girl. This little girl

38:46

has apparently been seen quite a lot. There's

38:49

the ghost of a girl wearing a yellow

38:51

dress bouncing a red ball. They're always bouncing

38:53

a damn ball. And then what is with

38:55

the ball? It feels like

38:58

it was the halfway

39:00

point between our fun and Hoopendstick. It's

39:02

like, well, there was a whole era

39:04

of ghosts where they just had a

39:06

ball. It's like, man, they

39:08

didn't even know what they were missing. I

39:10

know. And

39:13

they didn't even have internet to look back and hear

39:15

about Hoopendstick. They didn't even know what fun

39:17

happened before then. They just thought, sad

39:19

days. This red ball is the most fun any of

39:21

us have ever had. So

39:24

she's bouncing this red ball, she's wearing a yellow dress. Sometimes

39:27

she's seen crying. And

39:30

one time a construction crew saw her, and

39:33

this is the only time that I saw

39:35

recorded, but when the construction crew saw her,

39:38

she stopped bouncing the ball.

39:41

She turns and looks at them. And

39:43

then she says, today is my birthday.

39:47

And then she leaves. And you

39:49

know it wasn't her birthday. She just wasn't

39:51

some attention. She just wanted to see if they'd

39:53

give her a shiny nickel for the soda shop. Yeah.

39:56

She's like, I need a new ball to

39:58

play with. Yeah, this one's losing.

40:00

that's bounce, you know how it goes.

40:02

It's my birthday, disappear. That's kind

40:04

of the funniest thing I've ever heard. I

40:07

like that she was a little manipulative, I love it.

40:09

I love it. So get this, after

40:11

the group saw her, and

40:14

she's the only one that's ever turned to

40:16

them, acknowledged them, said something, then

40:18

shortly after one of the guys of the construction

40:20

crew fell down one of the stairs and died.

40:24

Oh, shit. And so this led

40:26

people to think that she is like an

40:29

omen, and if she stops and talks to you,

40:31

you're fucked. Oh my

40:33

god. It's my birthday, and I want

40:35

to watch one of you fall. Like

40:37

what? And now you die. Yeah,

40:40

so if you see her, maybe don't

40:42

give her too much attention, or if you do,

40:44

just hope she doesn't say hi back. Just say

40:46

happy birthday, I think that's all she wants. Oh,

40:49

unless that means I'm asking for it. Good

40:52

point, I'll let you say happy birthday, and then

40:54

we'll see what happens. Okay, if

40:56

we ever see her, we'll each react completely

40:59

differently and see what happens. I

41:01

will just watch you react, and

41:04

I will be around the corner. Okay,

41:07

well, Eva, get in there. I'm excited,

41:09

because I'll also be at the coffee shop, but you

41:11

tell us how it goes. Oh yeah,

41:13

sorry, Emma's with me around the corner. Eva's

41:15

there, talking to the ghost child. Like at

41:17

the Queen Mary, when we were both behind

41:19

the corridor, while we watched her check us

41:21

out early, because you were too embarrassed. It's

41:25

happened before, it'll happen again, and

41:27

she knows it. So

41:30

this little girl, when she's not apparently

41:32

a harbinger for doom, she

41:36

is seen smiling and waving to people.

41:39

She's also seen walking into rooms, and

41:42

sometimes even closets, because I wonder if blueprint theory,

41:44

there used to be a room there. Ooh,

41:47

I like that, I like that a lot. There's

41:49

one couple here who I checked. It

41:53

is not who you think it is, but their last name

41:55

was Weinstein, but

41:58

O Thimos. O shit. Right.

42:01

What's that? Probably related, right?

42:05

I don't know. All I know is it's not it's not he

42:08

who shall not be named. But

42:12

a Weinstein couple

42:14

lived at the

42:16

Dakota and they also said

42:18

this place is totally haunted. We hear

42:20

footsteps in the apartment at night. Apparently

42:22

their chairs and they're like heavy rugs

42:24

would move on their own. Yuck. Which

42:26

like a rug is under other things.

42:29

So is everything moving? Yeah, is

42:32

it like they're just shifting it? Maybe they're trying

42:34

to do that magic trick where you pull it.

42:38

Pull it whatever tablecloth. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

42:40

I hope so. That'd be fun and

42:42

do it when there's like a whole dinner party on top

42:44

of the rug and just knock everyone out. Especially

42:46

if you have some candelabras lit

42:49

this place is fireproof. Remember? Wow,

42:52

you're really you could I know that

42:54

you have already done the writing prompt for

42:56

that last story, but this could be something.

42:58

Remember this for your next contact. Right? Right.

43:01

Even write that down, please. Thank you. Uh,

43:04

well, it was already haunted. But one day the

43:07

husband was coming home and he looked up at

43:09

the window to see what was going on in

43:11

his apartment and he saw a whole ass chandelier

43:13

hanging from his ceiling and he was like, Oh,

43:15

my wife must have bought a chandelier today and

43:17

had it installed, which to be that

43:19

rich, I can't even imagine. She

43:21

must have installed this had the

43:23

new crystal Swarovski. I don't know.

43:26

Yeah, exactly. Fancy. When

43:29

he got upstairs, though, there was no

43:31

chandelier. But when he

43:33

looked closer, he looked at

43:35

the ceiling and he saw that old bolts were

43:38

installed in the ceiling where chandelier once

43:40

caused shit. So he like saw a

43:42

phantom chandelier that used to be there.

43:45

It's kind of like those stories

43:48

we talked about where there's like a time

43:50

warp or like you can see into a

43:52

different time period. Flip, flip, flip. I

43:55

love this. This is probably my favorite

43:57

story I'll tell is that Boris. Karloff

44:00

who played Frankenstein. He

44:03

was I think the first actor to move into the

44:05

Dakota and when he moved

44:07

in it very much matched

44:09

his creepy vibe of being Frankenstein and

44:11

now being in this really creepy building.

44:14

But he this one I

44:17

guess he reportedly once said that it made

44:19

him sad that all the kids were scared of

44:21

him because he's literally fucking Frankenstein. Aww,

44:23

is he Frankenstein or Frankenstein's monster? I

44:26

would argue both are scary. Frankenstein's

44:28

monster. Oh okay, I didn't

44:30

know. I genuinely didn't know if that's who

44:32

he played or if he played like the

44:34

doctor Frankenstein. I know, I know

44:37

but it's the one

44:39

that children would be scared of. Well

44:41

that's fine because now we'll get we won't get the

44:43

tweets you know. Well he

44:46

apparently he once said that like it always

44:48

made him sad that like on Halloween he

44:50

would leave out like a bowl of candy

44:52

and nobody would ever come. Which like can

44:54

you imagine you literally live next to Frankenstein

44:57

and it's Halloween. Yeah come on. That's exactly

44:59

where you go for your candy. You have

45:01

your damn blessings children. That's exactly

45:03

where you go. I can't imagine like Devinsawa

45:06

a ghost, Casper like

45:08

that or

45:12

what's his name Bela Lugosi,

45:14

vampire. Oh now that would be

45:16

creepy. Or like a

45:18

witch. Or like a witch. Bette

45:20

Midler. Bette Midler.

45:22

Anyone from Halloween town. I feel

45:26

like if you are living amongst if

45:28

you live next to one of the the

45:30

Charmed Sisters and you don't go to their

45:32

house first and last and the it's the

45:34

only one in the middle if

45:37

you don't go there for your candy on Halloween

45:39

you're doing it wrong. You're doing it so wrong.

45:41

Also how many kids are in this building like

45:43

two? I feel like this sounds like a place

45:45

where kids are not really kids are like frowned

45:48

upon you know. I feel like in the middle

45:50

of all your financial statement meetings they're like do

45:52

you have... That's

45:55

got to be that's probably a big like red

45:57

flag if you're applying to this place I would argue.

46:00

I think it depends on the age like how troublesome

46:02

are they gonna be to the rest of us? But

46:04

then again, the whole place is waterproof. Have

46:07

they learned to polish silver flooring because

46:09

if they're able to contribute in that

46:11

way, maybe they're welcome. You know,

46:13

I never saw a little kid in

46:15

a single episode of Gossip Girl. Everyone was at least

46:17

14. Great

46:20

point. Maybe it'll be a high schooler.

46:24

No toddlers. So anyway,

46:26

Frankenstein just really wanted the kids to like

46:29

him. Which again, this is another

46:31

writing prompt for a writing contest.

46:33

It's like Frankenstein the monster just

46:35

actually wants love. Oh, I

46:38

mean, I think that is the entire story of Frankenstein.

46:41

Is it that he wants love? Well, Dr.

46:43

Frankenstein wants a person. Yes,

46:46

but then it's that the monster is... I actually

46:48

really liked that book. It was like one of the few

46:50

that I actually read in high school and it's really sad.

46:53

He like tries to find belonging,

46:55

but the villagers are like, No,

46:58

so it does feel like he's almost

47:00

mirroring like interesting his

47:03

actual character. Well, apparently one

47:06

of the kids who did used to go trick-or-treating there

47:09

remembers a ghost story after

47:11

Boris Karloff died where

47:15

she was going trick-or-treating with her friends and

47:19

she remembers going through the halls with

47:21

her friends and feeling

47:23

politely followed and a few times even looked behind her

47:25

and saw a very tall man just kind of watching

47:27

them from behind. And when

47:31

they got to an elevator, the man who had been following

47:35

them in a way that didn't make her feel weird, I guess, but like

47:37

was just like kind of keeping an eye on them. They

47:42

got to the elevator. That same man got on with

47:44

them, but all of them

47:46

like didn't want to look him in the face because they didn't want

47:48

to like stare or

47:50

anything. They just knew that

47:52

he was there. When the kids got

47:54

off at their stop on the elevator, they

47:56

got off to let the man out too

47:59

and he vanished. Do

48:01

they think it was him? Boris? I think

48:04

they claim it was Boris Karloff

48:06

checking on them and spending time

48:08

with the kids on Halloween. He

48:10

wants to have friends, that's all.

48:13

Frankenstein turning into a ghost is the only

48:15

Frankenstein plot twist I don't think I've heard of. Another

48:23

ghost that people see in the Dakota is

48:25

a woman in white of fucking course, but

48:27

she's carrying a rose. Oh

48:31

god, that's sinister. Yeah,

48:34

isn't it? It's like something- I don't know why. It's one

48:36

subtle change. She's

48:40

said to be the mistress of a married man who lived in

48:42

the building. And when he

48:44

wouldn't end his marriage for her, she took her own life.

48:47

And when she died, apparently in that

48:49

exact same moment she died, her ghost

48:51

appeared in front of the husband and

48:53

his wife. Oh well,

48:56

she's got the last word. Well,

48:59

so freaked out, the husband then runs

49:01

to her place to be like,

49:03

what did I just see? Finds

49:05

her body and she's holding

49:08

a rose. Ooh,

49:11

yuck. And you know that was probably some

49:13

symbolic thing between them, you know. Well,

49:16

now it says that only unfaithful men and

49:19

their wives can see her. So if you're

49:21

at the Dakota and you are

49:24

a woman or a man, if you're married

49:26

to someone and you're not cheating and you

49:28

see her, they're cheating. Uh

49:30

oh. She is just

49:32

wreaking havoc and I love that for

49:35

her. Gemini, I already know. She's

49:38

like, by the way, I'm stuck here for

49:40

eternity, I'm going to throw the fucking pot.

49:43

Why not? You know, something to watch. I

49:46

would. Be like, oh, and another thing. Well,

49:49

I would too, especially if it's in the name

49:51

of like, you know, protecting

49:56

relationships. Although I guess she's

49:58

the one who is also cheating. Well, no. She would. The

50:00

husband was cheating with her right and so

50:03

then so now she goes

50:05

around and tells on people. Okay, gotcha. I I

50:08

wonder if it's because he wouldn't

50:10

end the marriage and she got bamboozled.

50:13

She's Serving as a warning

50:15

for other women. It's like right if you see

50:17

me run and not because of

50:19

runs but because your husband Don't

50:22

run yet. Let me explain Another

50:27

notable resident here was Judy Holliday Who

50:29

was an Oscar Tony and Golden Globe

50:31

winner? She lived here name like Judy

50:33

Holliday. She better be right I feel

50:35

like some people are just born

50:38

for the stage name, right Judy Holliday.

50:40

What a name I like

50:43

to think I'd be like what's my stage name, but I don't know.

50:45

I guess it's I'm Schultz. I guess it's

50:47

the I'm Schultz. Okay. Wait, wait, that's

50:49

what Judy Holliday's real birth name is Why

50:53

I it could be

50:55

anything Stella Judas Judas

50:58

to them Yeah,

51:00

it had to be changed But

51:04

which is it's really she was born Judith

51:07

to them she took her stage name from

51:09

Yom Tovim which is Hebrew for holidays Interesting.

51:13

So it's a holiday. That's really actually

51:15

a cool little twist Well,

51:18

she lived there in the 60s and when she

51:20

died the new tenants of her place hired a crew

51:23

for renovations And if there's one thing we've learned in

51:25

almost 400 episodes You

51:27

renovations prayer goes for sure

51:32

The crew saw an apparition of a

51:35

man body and a

51:38

boy's face on the man body So

51:41

the grown-ass man with a

51:44

Maybe here's have like a little like baby face. I

51:46

don't know but apparently Frankenstein's monster 2.0

51:49

Yeah, Frankenstein is at it again

51:52

with his hijinks He

51:54

loves the hydrink you love it loves it.

51:57

Well, they see this guy and And

52:00

he never says anything to them, but

52:02

they felt very closely watched for the rest of the

52:04

day. And the

52:06

boy has been seen other times walking up and

52:09

down the halls and apparently always has

52:11

a strange, musty smell coming from

52:13

him. I don't like it. Me

52:16

either. And there's no explanation, so I don't even

52:18

feel better about that. No, I

52:20

don't feel better either. So wait, so it's

52:22

a man's body with a boy's face on

52:24

it and he smells musty? Smells musty and

52:27

just doesn't speak just walks around. Sounds

52:29

like a goosebumps book. It does.

52:33

Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't. Doesn't

52:35

it? Yeah.

52:39

So one of the painters actually had to go

52:42

back to the Dakota at some point and do

52:44

a touch up. And

52:46

I guess he was one of the people who saw this man

52:48

boy. And he

52:50

witnessed doors slamming by themselves, lights turning off

52:52

on their own. And then he felt someone

52:55

grab his arm and drag him towards the

52:57

light bulbs he was working there. Oh

52:59

no. Oh no. You

53:02

can believe it. He didn't

53:04

come back. I wouldn't. Oh, I wouldn't

53:07

either. Certainly. The second you're grabbed. Never

53:10

again. No, no, no, no. Don't touch

53:12

me, you know. I was willing

53:14

to tolerate a lot of bullshit until someone physically touched me.

53:16

Now we're done. We're done here. Today,

53:18

Leona said something so funny. I don't know.

53:20

Maybe it wasn't that funny, but to me

53:23

it was very funny because she's never seen

53:25

Frozen. Like I've, not

53:28

for lack of trying. I've like tried to show her

53:30

a few things, but she's like Daniel Tiger only, you

53:32

know, or Coco Melan Lane only. A loyalist.

53:35

A loyalist indeed. And which I get, you

53:37

know, you're the same way. You only watch

53:40

Degrassi or something. So I get it. But

53:44

I, today she asked me

53:46

to draw a snowman. And so I was like, do

53:49

you want to build a snowman? And she

53:51

goes, Anna,

53:54

stop. And I

53:56

said, what? First of

53:58

all, I thought she was saying mom's snowman. But then

54:00

she's like, Anna, stop. And she threw her arm

54:02

out and I was like, where the fuck did

54:05

you pick that up? And then

54:07

she's like, so it turns out her

54:10

teacher, when they're doing like potty time,

54:12

will sometimes play something on her phone

54:14

to like make sure the kids, I

54:16

don't know, stay put or something. She

54:19

goes, Ms. Abby showed me and I was like,

54:21

oh, thank God. Okay, I was really nervous for

54:23

a minute when she said, did you just channel

54:25

Adina Menzel? Are you my Broadway muse? Like what

54:27

happened? It was hilarious. And then I said, Blaise,

54:29

watch this. And I was like, do you want

54:31

to build a snowman? And she just like whipped

54:33

around and said, Anna, stop. And

54:35

Blaise was like, she doesn't want to watch

54:38

it. Like it feels like school probably. Oh,

54:40

maybe. I mean, she loves school

54:42

though. So maybe it

54:44

should be, maybe we should lean into that. But

54:46

anyway, so Anna, stop. You

54:48

know, that feels like you're gonna

54:50

accidentally like Pavlovianly trigger

54:52

her that every time she goes potty, she's

54:54

gonna go, Anna, stop. But like, even as

54:57

an adult, like she's gonna be

54:59

on the potty. Oh, I was

55:01

like, what does a potty have to do with it?

55:03

Oh, because of it. Yeah, yeah. Listen, this teacher is

55:05

setting this up, not me. Don't blame me. I'm

55:08

not blaming anyone. I'm just saying that she's gonna have

55:10

an initial thought all the time when she goes. Like

55:13

sort of feel like that was bound

55:15

to happen. So yeah, I

55:18

guess of all things, it's not that bad. But that could

55:20

be worse. That has to

55:22

be so scary as a parent, just like every time

55:24

your kid opens their mouth and says something new,

55:26

you're like, what the fuck did you get that from?

55:28

You're like, seriously, how am I supposed to keep up?

55:30

And then Blaze and I have to update each other

55:32

because we're like, oh, if she says this, I finally

55:34

figured out it means this. You know

55:36

what I mean? Like, don't

55:38

worry, she's not summoning a spirit.

55:41

She's referencing some episode, you know?

55:43

Anyway, you never know. It's

55:47

all very chaotic, so. Good

55:49

to know. I feel

55:51

like now, even when I'm on the potty, I'm gonna go, Anna,

55:54

stop. Anna, stop. I don't

55:56

even know if that's how they song go or

55:58

how they, whatever. It

56:00

made me laugh. Anyway, it's very precious. Um...

56:05

Where were we? Oh, uh... I'm sorry. I don't know.

56:07

I... I don't

56:09

know how we got there because the last thing I said

56:11

was someone grabbed a man and like dragged him to the

56:13

light bulbs. You

56:15

said, oh, he never came back. I

56:17

don't know. I have no idea. Alright,

56:20

your brain is also fascinating, Christine. That we should

56:22

study. Is it? That was for sure. We should say, I

56:24

don't think so. I think that's a dangerous game. So...

56:28

Anyway, all that happened, like all the...

56:31

The construction crew was dealing with stuff because

56:34

they did renovations in Judy Holiday's apartment

56:36

after she died. So, speaking of

56:38

Judy Holiday's death, her death

56:41

in the Dakota is part of a...

56:43

an ongoing theory that this entire building

56:45

has a curse. Okay.

56:47

Because many people who've walked through

56:49

this building have either

56:52

died very early or had some other

56:54

horrible demise. From

56:56

the very beginning, the first person

56:58

in this building was Edward Clark. And

57:01

he didn't live long enough to even see the building

57:03

get finished. Judy Holiday,

57:05

she... She died early at 43. Marilyn

57:09

Monroe, who got like rejected from

57:11

living here, still had friends there

57:13

and would visit often. And

57:15

she did a photo shoot... That's not a duck.

57:18

She's like, I would have done something nicer with

57:20

that mantelpiece, but whatever. I already know what I would have done.

57:23

Yeah. She apparently did a photo shoot at

57:25

Judy Holiday's apartment. So

57:27

she's been in the building and she died at 36. Judy

57:32

Garland, Dorothy... Well,

57:34

yeah. ...lived there and she died at 47.

57:37

John Lennon lived there. He died at 40. Oh,

57:40

she lived there too. That's right. I did

57:42

hear... Wow. Okay, this is getting...

57:46

Creepy. I mean, how old was he when he

57:48

died? Sorry. So,

57:50

I don't like that it's in the 40s.

57:52

That feels like when you're kind of like

57:54

safe, right? Like, I mean, not safe, but

57:56

it's like it should be a very healthy

57:58

decade where you're an adult. and you're figured

58:01

shit out and then all of a sudden

58:03

bam, you know? Yeah. It's, ugh. I

58:06

feel like if you make it to 50 and

58:08

you live there, you're like, oh, thank God. I'm

58:10

like, oh, phew. I dodged a bullet,

58:13

yeah. Also just

58:15

to add to all the people who died really

58:17

early there, after the exterior shots

58:20

of Rosemary's baby was filmed there, the

58:22

composer died from a head injury. The

58:24

producer had kidney stones so bad that

58:26

they gave him pain

58:28

that led to delusions and he started

58:31

shouting and the pain that

58:33

he had so much pain from, he had a bout of

58:35

kidney stones that was so painful, he

58:38

ended up being delusional in the hospital

58:40

later where he started shouting in the

58:42

hospital, Rosemary dropped the knife. Ew.

58:47

He just kept shouting that. Yeah. Rosemary's

58:51

baby was directed by Roman Polanski

58:54

and a year

58:56

after the movie came out, his wife, Sharon

58:58

Tate, was one of the murder victims of

59:00

the Manson family. Oh

59:02

boy, oh boy. So it just,

59:04

it feels a little dark. But

59:08

also you could probably chalk it up.

59:10

Well, not really though, but I

59:12

could see someone trying to make the argument of like, oh

59:14

well, the lifestyle's the rich and the famous. Maybe

59:17

they're all little wilds and they have

59:20

a higher risk for early deaths. I

59:23

don't know. I feel like you could probably

59:25

come up with some sort of argument, but it's still

59:27

weird. It's still very weird. I mean, I guess when

59:29

it comes to drugs and stuff, but I feel like

59:31

the deaths that aren't drug related are especially

59:35

odd. Yeah. But

59:38

also a lot of people moved in there and like,

59:42

I think Boris Karloff died in the

59:45

Dakota. I think maybe there was also a lot of death,

59:47

so it led to a lot of ghosts and maybe the

59:49

ghosts bring the bad energy and then

59:51

the bad energy. Well, combined with that big

59:53

nuclear power plant in the basement or whatever.

59:55

And all the celebrity's creative spaces. That's

59:57

right. Maury and all his... all

1:00:00

his many easels and watercolors. I imagine

1:00:02

this place is just... You

1:00:04

know what? Morrie's like a hundred years old and

1:00:06

he's, is he still kicking? Well,

1:00:09

you know what? If he's not, then we've got

1:00:11

some apologizing to do for the way we've kind

1:00:14

of just thrown his name around. Yeah, he's 85. Wow,

1:00:17

I actually did not know. Oh, he's married to

1:00:19

Connie Chung. That's why they both live there. Okay,

1:00:21

that makes sense. I

1:00:24

forgot about that part of him. You know, I get

1:00:27

him and Jerry Springer confused, which I know

1:00:29

is blasphemous as a Cincinnatian, but... Morrie

1:00:34

was always the one I watched. Actually,

1:00:37

of all of them, it's Steve Wilkos. Steve.

1:00:40

You were Steve Wilkos. I was definitely a

1:00:42

Morrie. Morrie

1:00:44

and Steve, but Jerry I never cared

1:00:47

for. Well, RIP.

1:00:49

May he rest in peace. Okay. Yeah,

1:00:52

okay. You wanna keep going? Well,

1:00:54

okay. Wanna say some shit about Regis Philbin

1:00:56

this time? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. As

1:01:01

I just mentioned briefly, the most famous spirit

1:01:03

at this location is John Lennon, who lived

1:01:05

here for five years with Yoko. Oh no,

1:01:07

who was 91. I just looked up to

1:01:09

see if she was still alive. She's 91. Oh,

1:01:13

it's elderly. Just for her. I'm

1:01:16

sorry, I'm just saying, I feel like now

1:01:18

we've talked about so many people who are

1:01:20

40 and died, and I'm like 90. Fuck

1:01:22

yeah. Like live that senior life, go. She

1:01:25

made it. So

1:01:28

in 1975, John Lennon and Yoko

1:01:30

Ono bought five apartments in this

1:01:32

building. Oh shit. They

1:01:34

bought two on the seventh floor that I guess they built

1:01:37

into one, I'm guessing, into one

1:01:39

apartment. So they

1:01:41

had like 40 rooms. And then

1:01:43

they bought three more for storage,

1:01:46

for work, and for entertaining guests.

1:01:48

And apparently this caused like

1:01:51

a huge kerfuffle. I bet. It's

1:01:53

like we only have 65 apartments. Now you've

1:01:55

just bought. Like Marilyn Monroe's

1:01:57

not allowed to live here, but I guess you can store

1:01:59

your shit. in this apartment. Right.

1:02:01

Yeah, exactly. I mean, I guess when you're a beetle, you

1:02:03

can do anything. But how did I mean, you could have

1:02:06

a beetle to that, but Marilyn Monroe couldn't. I don't know. Anyway,

1:02:11

but so they ended up buying this out,

1:02:13

buying out a bunch of apartments. I think

1:02:15

after them, a rule got created that

1:02:17

you could only buy one at a time. So, uh

1:02:20

huh. When they first moved

1:02:22

in, the people who owned the

1:02:25

apartment before them was Robert Ryan and

1:02:27

his wife, Jesse, who died in the

1:02:29

apartment. And her spirit is said to

1:02:31

have haunted the Lennon's. Uh,

1:02:34

eventually it got so wild that they called

1:02:36

a psychic and to do a seance. And

1:02:40

the ghost, Jesse Ryan came through

1:02:42

and told the Lennon's she was

1:02:44

leaving, but she, or she

1:02:47

would not leave. Sorry. The opposite. She

1:02:49

said, I'm not leaving, but

1:02:53

don't worry. I won't bother you, but I am going to

1:02:55

stick around. Which, okay.

1:02:58

I feel like you're bothering me by

1:03:00

sticking around. Exactly. And I

1:03:02

also feel like couldn't you have just said, okay,

1:03:04

bye. I'm leaving and like not actually left and

1:03:07

just pretended. I don't know. Couldn't you read the

1:03:09

room that you're clearly not wanted to hear. We've

1:03:11

hired an outside help to come

1:03:14

in and talk to you about this. But

1:03:17

love that you feel safe here.

1:03:20

That's excellent. And so perfect for

1:03:22

you, but it is not going

1:03:24

to work for me. Um, not today.

1:03:28

John Lennon was apparently because he was like

1:03:30

open spiritually to all this stuff. He had

1:03:33

no problem coexisting with the spirit, but also

1:03:36

I feel like you have to be kind

1:03:38

of open to a coexisting with a spirit.

1:03:40

If they just told you to their face,

1:03:42

you're literally if they say I'm moving in

1:03:45

and you can't get rid of me. Yeah.

1:03:47

I guess you just spent probably a hundred

1:03:49

million dollars here on five apartments. So we're

1:03:51

both stuck. Yeah. Uh,

1:03:54

fun fact about John Lennon living care. Uh, he

1:03:57

claimed to see a UFO from one of the

1:03:59

windows. Oh my god. Another

1:04:02

fun fact is that apparently $30,000 is rumored to

1:04:04

be buried under the floor

1:04:08

of their apartment but the board refuses

1:04:10

to destroy the floor to find out. The

1:04:13

floor because it's original flooring. Okay.

1:04:17

You said the board. Yeah,

1:04:19

I know I heard it. Okay, it's not funny. I

1:04:21

thought it was funny in my head. It wasn't really but

1:04:23

um, do you I mean,

1:04:26

hmm. I wonder how

1:04:28

that rumor started. Like did somebody say they witnessed

1:04:31

this happen? I

1:04:33

don't know. I don't even know if I think John Lennon

1:04:35

even made it up because it sounds like it was from

1:04:38

the previous residence. Oh,

1:04:40

so oh, maybe that's why that ghost was fucking

1:04:42

sticking around. Just like my

1:04:44

last story where it's like, well, there's I'm

1:04:47

attached to something under the floorboards. It's always

1:04:49

under the floorboards. Always. But

1:04:51

anyway, we'll never know. I guess for that for

1:04:54

now at least. Another

1:04:56

fun fact is that john Lennon not only

1:04:58

was he being haunted by that woman, but

1:05:01

he used to see another ghost all the

1:05:03

time that he called the crying lady who

1:05:06

was a woman with curly hair and she

1:05:08

would walk down the halls of the apartment

1:05:10

building just crying and she wore outdated

1:05:13

clothes that suggested she was from the late 1800s early

1:05:15

1900s. One source says this might have been a beautiful

1:05:22

wealthy tenant and she got depressed

1:05:24

and threw herself out of the

1:05:26

window. That's one of the stories.

1:05:28

The other story is that she

1:05:30

might be Elise Vestley, who was

1:05:32

one of the earlier property managers.

1:05:35

And apparently her son died nearby

1:05:37

when she was still alive and

1:05:40

she never recovered. So they think

1:05:42

maybe that's why she's crying. Oh,

1:05:45

besides john Lennon, other people have also claimed

1:05:47

to see her wandering the halls wearing an

1:05:49

old gray gown. She cries, she quickly vanishes.

1:05:51

And there was one article I read where

1:05:54

a reporter actually got invited to a party

1:05:56

at the Dakotas and like, said

1:05:58

in advance, like I'm gonna see this. fucking crying lady

1:06:00

I want to see this crying lady so

1:06:03

apparently the reporter is hanging out

1:06:05

in this at this party hears someone crying

1:06:08

and looks around and nobody else is reacting

1:06:11

looks at the corner of the room and sees a

1:06:13

woman sobbing in a dress and

1:06:16

you could see right through her

1:06:18

but she still seemed real enough that it was

1:06:21

weird to the reporter that nobody else was looking

1:06:23

at her or no creepy

1:06:26

and the woman walked out into the

1:06:28

hall and the reporter followed the

1:06:30

woman being like I'm gonna see how this goes runs

1:06:34

out into the hall sees nobody but

1:06:36

still hears a faint crying from

1:06:38

down the hall so the reporter runs down the

1:06:40

hall is like I'm gonna follow you I'm gonna

1:06:42

find you follows the sound of

1:06:44

the crying down the hall and ends up

1:06:46

at a dead end with an open window

1:06:49

and the reporter sensed

1:06:53

an intense sorrow and just knew in

1:06:55

their gut that this was the window

1:06:58

that she lived from oh my

1:07:00

god that is quite a

1:07:02

story last fun fact

1:07:04

I have for you about John Lennon's time

1:07:06

there is that while living in the Dakota

1:07:08

there's an interview that I just watched on

1:07:10

YouTube where he reads a fan

1:07:12

letter he's in the Dakota

1:07:14

I'm pretty sure he's like lying in bed with

1:07:16

Yoko Ono in a bed and doing this interview

1:07:19

and reading a fan letter in his own home

1:07:21

love love that for him uh-huh love that for

1:07:23

him in the fan letter he

1:07:25

the fan letter says I was using

1:07:28

a Ouija board and

1:07:30

it predicted that you will be

1:07:32

that an assassination attempt will will be made

1:07:34

on you oh geez

1:07:37

well in their clip clip of that

1:07:39

somewhere yeah it's like nine seconds long

1:07:41

if you look up John Lennon fan

1:07:43

letter predict stuff oh that's so eerie

1:07:45

okay I didn't know about that I like

1:07:50

when you cover your ears and you get nervous I

1:07:52

do I come I know I don't know why I do

1:07:54

that it makes everything louder in my ears and your story

1:07:57

I don't it's like not helping me I don't know why

1:07:59

I do it Well, so the

1:08:01

eeriest part of it all is that he's

1:08:03

reading that letter, saying out loud a

1:08:06

prediction of his death in

1:08:09

the Dakota. And in 1980,

1:08:11

at the Dakota, Mark

1:08:14

David Chapman, who's

1:08:16

mad at John Lennon because he said that the

1:08:18

Beatles were more popular than Jesus. In

1:08:21

my world they were, so he was kind of right.

1:08:25

John Lennon was the

1:08:27

victim of Mark David Chapman's

1:08:29

assassination attempts, which by the

1:08:31

way, was inspired by

1:08:33

the book Catcher in the Rye. He

1:08:36

was carrying that book on him, in fact.

1:08:40

And so, uh, fucking loser. He,

1:08:44

I guess, hung around the Dakota waiting for John

1:08:46

Lennon to leave the building. When he

1:08:49

first saw John Lennon that day, he got

1:08:51

him to sign one of his records, which

1:08:53

is so eerie of like- He had an

1:08:55

interaction. Ugh. Yeah. And

1:08:57

then let him go, was like, oh, can you sign my

1:08:59

record? And then John Lennon left

1:09:01

to go to a recording session, and when he

1:09:03

came back that night, Chapman shot him five times,

1:09:05

forehead him in the back. And

1:09:08

this is a quote, Chapman remained

1:09:11

at the scene reading the Catcher in the

1:09:13

Rye until he was arrested. Yuck.

1:09:15

They literally sat on the curb and was like, anyway,

1:09:18

chapter seven. How, how

1:09:20

it's like nothing more premeditated than like, oh,

1:09:22

before I kill him, I should get him

1:09:25

to sign one last thing that I can

1:09:27

have for the rest of time. Like you

1:09:29

know, you're going to jail. So like, why

1:09:31

do you have to even get that thing

1:09:33

signed unless you want like a memento of

1:09:35

the day? Yuck. Ugh.

1:09:38

God. Who knows? I mean, clearly

1:09:40

he was not, you know, in his right mind. So

1:09:43

it's a, it's just sad. Yeah,

1:09:46

I remember recently hearing

1:09:48

like the full story of his

1:09:51

assassination. It was probably

1:09:53

in that same episode, to be honest, whatever that was, it might

1:09:55

have been lore. But is

1:09:57

it true? I, I heard that Yoko

1:09:59

Ono. had like a she

1:10:02

was like playing the piano or something. Oh,

1:10:04

yeah. Oh, you know,

1:10:07

sorry. Oh, when he was being shot.

1:10:10

Or I could be wrong. I don't know. Oh,

1:10:13

I will remembering I thought she had

1:10:15

kind of a psychic vision when he

1:10:17

was killed. Oh, I

1:10:19

don't know about that. Maybe I

1:10:21

have half the information you have half the information. Oh,

1:10:23

that would be a little puzzle. Um,

1:10:26

what I have is that ever since

1:10:28

he died at the Dakota, or I

1:10:31

saw one source that said he died at the

1:10:33

hospital or he was dead on arrival, but most people

1:10:35

say that he died on the steps of the

1:10:37

Dakota. So

1:10:39

I mean, he got shot four times.

1:10:42

Pretty point blank. So I'm pretty sure he like

1:10:44

tried to get to the stairs too, which is

1:10:47

yeah, he like took a few steps and collapsed.

1:10:50

Oh, boy. And I think

1:10:52

Yoko Ono was with him because

1:10:54

she left and came back from the recording

1:10:56

session with him. That's true.

1:10:59

Yeah, I do believe she was

1:11:01

with him. I think there's some

1:11:03

story I read where like either

1:11:05

she had a vision or there

1:11:07

was some bizarre occurrence that happened.

1:11:09

Hmm. I don't know with her and him

1:11:11

when he passed like a or maybe

1:11:13

maybe his ghost came to her or something like that. I

1:11:15

feel like maybe that was it. So what

1:11:17

I have is that ever since

1:11:20

he died, now people will see his

1:11:22

ghost outside by the archway where he

1:11:24

was shot. Sometimes they see an eerie

1:11:26

glow by the building. Sometimes they see

1:11:28

like a body of energy where he

1:11:30

died. People have seen his

1:11:32

apparition walking by they seen it staring

1:11:34

out out of the windows. Someone

1:11:36

says that they saw him flashing the peace

1:11:38

sign. Someone says that they

1:11:41

saw him walking from the Dakota to Central

1:11:43

Park. And then one of me

1:11:45

up so sorry, no, go ahead, go ahead. I

1:11:48

was just gonna say that would trip me up so bad

1:11:50

because you'd be like, I just saw John Lennon, but then

1:11:52

you're like, what if someone was just prank like what if

1:11:54

someone's wandering around dressed as John Lennon and like, well, that's

1:11:56

what I so the next thing I was gonna say is

1:11:58

that one hot dog vendor. He swears

1:12:01

that he heard the ghost singing give peace a

1:12:04

chance. You don't think people go to that site

1:12:06

every day and fucking play his phone, his phone

1:12:08

on the phone? That's what I feel like I

1:12:10

would doubt myself if I actually saw John Lennon.

1:12:12

I'd be like, that's just an impersonator. Yeah,

1:12:15

it's someone dressing the part

1:12:17

or something. What I think

1:12:19

you're talking about is that even

1:12:21

in the Dakota, people have seen

1:12:23

his ghost in the

1:12:26

apartment building, including Yoko Ono, who

1:12:28

said that she saw John

1:12:30

Lennon's ghost in their apartment playing

1:12:32

their piano. And he

1:12:34

looked at her and said, don't be afraid.

1:12:36

I'm still with you. And

1:12:42

a lot of sites were saying, since

1:12:45

Yoko Ono saw him, we have to

1:12:47

trust that it's real. And I'm like,

1:12:50

I would argue that the spouse, the

1:12:52

bereaved spouse, or the grieving spouse

1:12:54

is probably the last

1:12:56

one we should probably trust right off the bat.

1:12:58

But everyone thought, because Yoko Ono saw him, it's

1:13:00

got to be real. I'm

1:13:03

like, okay, but also if someone I love died,

1:13:05

I would be playing tricks with my head.

1:13:07

I mean, it could be

1:13:09

real. It's

1:13:12

an odd argument to be like, well,

1:13:14

she couldn't be wrong about that. Yeah,

1:13:17

it's just because she was the closest to him. But

1:13:19

it's like, I would argue that because she's the closest

1:13:21

to him, her brain is telling her a million different

1:13:23

ways that he's still in the house. Right,

1:13:26

right, right. It could be just a trick of the mind. But

1:13:29

apparently because she saw him, everyone's

1:13:31

like, every other ghost story must be true. For

1:13:33

what, of course, I believe that she saw him.

1:13:35

But, you know, I believe it's

1:13:37

a hot dog vendor heard him sing. So, you

1:13:40

know what, me too. Fucking justice for that hot

1:13:42

dog vendor. Why don't they say, forget Yoko

1:13:44

Ono. If that hot dog vendor saw, then

1:13:46

we know it's true. That's what

1:13:48

I always say. I

1:13:51

have one last thing to add to my notes,

1:13:53

and then it will be your turn. But it

1:13:55

was too good to not tell. There

1:13:59

was a source that I. found that said the

1:14:01

original owner of the Dakota, Edward Clark,

1:14:03

who Mr. Tupay, man. Yeah.

1:14:05

Oh, I won't soon forget. Well,

1:14:08

since the building was made in

1:14:10

the 1880s, it was kind

1:14:13

of around the

1:14:15

spiritualism time. And apparently Edward Clark

1:14:17

liked to hold seances. No, on

1:14:19

his fucking silver floors. On his

1:14:21

silver floor. Imagine that. That's so

1:14:24

creepy. It probably like holds all

1:14:26

the energy in it. There's

1:14:28

got to be something metaphysical with that. I don't know

1:14:30

what it is. Wait a minute. I think you're right.

1:14:32

Maybe it is. Maybe it's like silver

1:14:36

vampires. I don't know. Just a thought. Maybe

1:14:38

it is interesting that it's called the Dracula

1:14:40

and it has silver. Wait, is it silver

1:14:43

werewolves? No,

1:14:46

silver cross. Oh, I was thinking

1:14:48

silver bullet. Silver is

1:14:50

apparently and silver bolts

1:14:52

in Frankenstein's neck. Maybe

1:14:55

that's what they were trying to

1:14:57

trying to do is

1:14:59

like prevent, I don't know, a serial

1:15:02

beings from entering the space while he did his same

1:15:04

like bad ones, you know, while he did his science.

1:15:07

If you're a witch in 2024, can

1:15:09

you please tell me what silver floors must be

1:15:11

doing? Because it's got to do something. They

1:15:14

must be doing something. Well, so

1:15:16

I want to say Edward Clark likes to hold

1:15:18

seances here. And I don't know

1:15:20

if they did this in the spirit of that

1:15:22

or they just happen. It happens to be a

1:15:25

fun fact that that works here. But

1:15:27

there's there

1:15:29

was a composer who used to live here named

1:15:32

Leonard Bernstein. He had a three

1:15:34

bedroom apartment that eventually sold

1:15:36

to a family called the

1:15:38

Milsteens for 20 and

1:15:40

a half million dollars. By the

1:15:42

way, you're doing it

1:15:44

wrong. Rich people like at some point you're

1:15:47

so rich things you start doing like not

1:15:49

rich things like you just like lose your

1:15:51

yeah, you're spending over $20

1:15:53

million on a three bedroom apartment.

1:15:55

You're fucking wrong. That's not how

1:15:58

sorry. But

1:16:00

anyway, so Leonard Bernstein lived there. The Milsteins

1:16:02

bought it. And this

1:16:05

is a headline from New

1:16:07

York Times called Young

1:16:09

Socialites Conjure the Ghost of Leonard

1:16:12

Bernstein at the Dakota. And

1:16:15

apparently these like millennial

1:16:17

or Gen Z rich kids. Wait,

1:16:20

this is recent? I think it's

1:16:22

pretty recent. Hold on, let me see what year

1:16:25

it was. I think it was pretty recent. It

1:16:27

was giving gossip, girl. So 2017, so six

1:16:31

years ago, seven years ago. Damn,

1:16:37

for some reason when you first said it, I thought it was like from the

1:16:39

1940s, like young

1:16:41

socialites. Oh, that'd be fun. Have a little say

1:16:43

on, but. That'd be fun. This is like a

1:16:45

TikTok era thing. Well, not quite, but. This is

1:16:47

like almost a TikTok era thing. If

1:16:49

it was seven years ago, then they're millennials,

1:16:52

they're our age. Yeah, so

1:16:54

it would be like an Instagram thing.

1:16:56

An Instagram thing. But

1:16:58

it's interesting. So I guess when the

1:17:00

Millstein's bought it out from the burn

1:17:02

scenes, the Millstein millennial kids

1:17:04

who lived in that house were like,

1:17:07

well, he lived there. He

1:17:09

lived here before us. No, they don't allow kids in

1:17:11

this place. They're just talking, having,

1:17:14

bringing back the dead and trick

1:17:16

or treating. I don't know if they knew

1:17:19

about Edward Clark also holding stances here. And so they're like,

1:17:21

well, if the original founder of this place did it, he

1:17:23

would be okay with us doing it. Or if it was

1:17:25

just a separate thing of like, oh,

1:17:28

wouldn't it be fun if we like you or we

1:17:30

were born and conjured our previous tenant. I

1:17:33

mean, we've done it. But anyway, so

1:17:36

the New York Times fashion section

1:17:38

wrote a piece on this. And

1:17:41

it really is the most gossip girl thing I've ever

1:17:43

heard in my life. Because since it's

1:17:45

the New York Times fashion section, and they're

1:17:47

talking about the up and

1:17:50

coming social elite, it's

1:17:52

almost like the spooky

1:17:54

part of this doesn't even fucking count.

1:17:57

Wow. So here's... Here's

1:18:00

clips from the article. So this is the

1:18:04

Milstein kids who did

1:18:06

this. Their names are Larry and

1:18:08

Toby. They're now probably 29 and

1:18:10

31, so they're our age. Wow.

1:18:14

And the Milsteins are a family that's estimated,

1:18:17

back in 2015, they were estimated to be

1:18:19

worth like $3 billion. Cool,

1:18:21

cool, cool. So just to give you an idea of where

1:18:23

these people are. And they, I guess,

1:18:26

wanted to host a seance in their parents' room in

1:18:28

the New York Times when we're gonna

1:18:31

write about it. So. So they attended,

1:18:33

basically. Like the reporter attended this? The reporter,

1:18:35

I think, yes, the reporter attended. Oh, I

1:18:37

thought it was just like a really casual,

1:18:39

like let's get out of Ouija board. But

1:18:41

it was like, oh no, this is a

1:18:43

soiree and we're wearing our finery. Okay. They're

1:18:45

estimated $3 billion. I don't think they're in

1:18:48

their Walmart sweatpants doing a Ouija board. No, they're

1:18:50

hoping. Okay, fair. I

1:18:52

guess I just didn't know it was a

1:18:54

premeditated Ouija board. I thought maybe like, oh,

1:18:57

we found Mama's tortoise shell.

1:19:00

The Lapagonian tortoise shell Ouija board, we should

1:19:02

play. No, they like planned this out in

1:19:04

advance. Let

1:19:08

me just read this quote. Okay. Okay.

1:19:13

Young socialites conjure the ghost of

1:19:15

Leonard Bernstein at the Dakota. This

1:19:18

is a series of quotes that

1:19:20

I've jumbled into one, all from the

1:19:22

same piece. Miss Milstein for

1:19:24

the seance wore a pink and gray

1:19:26

striped halter dress and embroidered lace-up sandal

1:19:28

booties, both by Fendi. Mr.

1:19:31

Milstein, who graduated from Yale in

1:19:33

May, paired a green Fendi blazer

1:19:35

with a Club Monaco top, ragged

1:19:37

bone trousers, and Gucci furline leather

1:19:40

slippers personalized with tiger apletes. The

1:19:43

family fortune can be traced to Morris

1:19:45

Milstein, who founded the Circle Floor Company

1:19:47

in 1919. Family

1:19:49

Lore has it that he ran

1:19:51

multiple businesses with different names using

1:19:54

a single set of stationary printed

1:19:56

Office of the Undersigned, which

1:19:58

are you fucking kidding me? That's. badass. That

1:20:01

is badass. I'm loving this. To

1:20:03

set the seance mood, I can

1:20:05

you imagine, okay, okay,

1:20:08

I'm just gonna read it. How much were the

1:20:10

candles? Like it was like one candle. Like

1:20:13

to set the seance mood, a

1:20:15

grapefruit and cucumber taco candle.

1:20:19

Taco, toca. I don't even, I'm not that rich. I don't know. Uh,

1:20:22

candles scented the air. Well, while we're correcting,

1:20:24

uh, applique, I think is what you meant.

1:20:27

Okay, cool. See, I, I am not worth

1:20:30

$3 billion. Um, okay. That was going to

1:20:32

be so hard on yourself.

1:20:35

No, no, no, not

1:20:37

you. My, my dear, um, uh,

1:20:41

to, I'm the person who has Walmart sweatpants

1:20:43

and uses and has a dirty

1:20:45

Ouija board. That's what I've got. So well,

1:20:47

you have to say I drew for you on the

1:20:49

back of a poster with a Sharpie. So I

1:20:51

don't know. To set the seance

1:20:54

mood, a grapefruit and cucumber candle scented

1:20:56

the air as a candle labrum flicker

1:20:58

dramatically on the piano crystal

1:21:00

ice buckets chilled mini champagne splits

1:21:03

alongside a bottle of Jack Daniels

1:21:05

and an arrangement of pastel macarons.

1:21:08

The mood was simultaneously somber

1:21:12

and expectantly gay like that of a

1:21:14

family dressed for the reading of a

1:21:16

will in which they're expecting good news.

1:21:19

You can understand why I would have thought this was in like the 1960s

1:21:21

or something. Right.

1:21:23

Like the way they're also with satire.

1:21:25

Yes. And also satirical. It really does

1:21:27

feel outrageous. Wait

1:21:30

for this. They assembled around the piano

1:21:32

as if it were a coffin and Mr.

1:21:35

Milstein distributed pages printed with the

1:21:37

lyrics of songs associated with the

1:21:39

Dakota's departed talents. The group tucks

1:21:42

glasses and accompanied by Mr. Pegler

1:21:44

on piano began a medley that

1:21:46

included Mr. Bernstein's Maria from West

1:21:49

Side Story. Imagine by John Lennon

1:21:51

and playing along with the evening's

1:21:53

theme Taylor Swift's I Don't Want

1:21:56

to Live Forever recently popularized by

1:21:58

Zayn Malik. In

1:22:01

execution, it was more Beyonce

1:22:03

than seance. Wow,

1:22:06

good one. For 20 minutes,

1:22:08

the only spirits present appeared to

1:22:10

be the Jack Daniels. But as

1:22:12

the Steinway tinkled and voices filled

1:22:14

the room, vibrations rose from deep

1:22:16

beneath the earth like a musical

1:22:18

giant shifting in its grave, or

1:22:20

perhaps it was just the A-Train.

1:22:23

Are you kidding me? Ha ha ha! Anyway,

1:22:26

that's the Dakota. Whoever that is,

1:22:29

I hope they run Vogue

1:22:31

now. That, I mean, I

1:22:33

can't, it literally feels like something Serena

1:22:36

Vanderwoodson and Blair Waldorf would have like

1:22:38

written up on Gossip Girl. It's

1:22:41

honestly one of the funniest things I've ever

1:22:43

heard. And I feel like this is a

1:22:45

sign, first of all, it also sounds like

1:22:47

something, I've been watching, rewatching Schitt's Creek, which

1:22:49

you can probably tell in some of the

1:22:52

things I've said today, but it just gives

1:22:54

such like Schitt's Creek vibes, like

1:22:56

so. Yes, very Moira

1:22:58

Rose. Right, like it's just

1:23:01

like, what are you even doing? But I

1:23:03

kind of love it, but also it makes

1:23:05

me wonder, first of all, are the Richie's

1:23:07

coming for our spooky stuff? Like

1:23:09

go away. Second of

1:23:11

all, are seances in again?

1:23:16

I think so. I mean, this was clearly,

1:23:19

what did you say seven fucking years ago?

1:23:22

Wow, okay, seven years ago. But like maybe

1:23:24

there's a sign here that the like, the

1:23:27

elites are bringing back seances, like back

1:23:29

in the spiritualism days, you know? Like

1:23:31

maybe it is. Yeah, but you know

1:23:33

what? You know, in all that writing, not

1:23:35

a single fucking note on what happened

1:23:38

at the seance, except what the candle

1:23:40

fell like. So I feel like they,

1:23:43

and also by the way. Well,

1:23:45

they're doing it wrong because I feel like anyone, I

1:23:47

don't even know witchcraft well

1:23:49

enough to tell you what they should have

1:23:52

done, but I know it well enough to

1:23:54

know that the cucumber grapefruit candle is not

1:23:56

the candle you light fresh hands. Okay, but

1:23:58

however, I will argue. with that because I've

1:24:01

read in my witchy books that it does not matter

1:24:03

what type of candle because you don't want to get

1:24:05

hung up in the details. I mean they are hung

1:24:07

up in the details so there is that but

1:24:10

it's all about the intention.

1:24:13

So it could be... What was their

1:24:15

intention? I don't think a seance was it at the

1:24:17

end of the day. I think it was to get

1:24:19

a Fendi feature. It sounds almost like a promo for

1:24:21

like Fendi if Fendi ever needed

1:24:23

a promo. I don't know it's very weirdly

1:24:26

like it feels sponsored. It feels like a

1:24:28

con con. And then all of a sudden

1:24:30

I fall into like what are the politics

1:24:32

of like rich people in the newspaper because

1:24:34

like if you reached out to Fendi and

1:24:36

said my family's worth three billion dollars

1:24:38

they're going to do a piece on us in

1:24:41

the fashion section. If you send me something from

1:24:43

Fendi I will make sure it's mentioned in the

1:24:46

all of a sudden it all feels like ten

1:24:49

million dollars I'll wear this Fendi dress. Yeah

1:24:52

and they'll make a sense they'll say a sentence about

1:24:54

it in the paper. I'm sure there's so this is

1:24:56

why I love shows like Succession because it's like I

1:24:58

don't even know if it's real or what

1:25:01

but just watching people with that amount of

1:25:03

money it's like aliens. Yeah

1:25:05

yeah I wouldn't know what to do with it.

1:25:08

Like were you just wearing Walmart's webpants

1:25:10

before Fendi sent you a blazer to

1:25:12

wear for the piece? Were

1:25:15

you wearing them ironically because that's kind of

1:25:17

fucked up. Anyway

1:25:23

I thought that was just about the best seance I never

1:25:25

want to go to and

1:25:28

because they were taking one look at me

1:25:31

and been like out you go. Bye. But

1:25:34

apparently people like that are having chances so you're right

1:25:37

I think people like us should be having a chance. I feel like

1:25:39

they would have looked at us and been like those! Yeah

1:25:41

you know they've been like demonic entities get

1:25:43

them out of there. The poor! Like something

1:25:45

like. So dirty. Go

1:25:48

back to the boat. Go back to

1:25:50

your boat. Go back to the

1:25:52

Dakota boat. Okay so anyway

1:25:55

that is the Dakota. And

1:25:57

that was a really good one I really enjoyed that

1:25:59

story. Thank you for sharing. It felt

1:26:01

like it had a million stories within a

1:26:03

story. You know sure did a lot of fun facts

1:26:07

I love a fun fact. I think you did an

1:26:09

excellent job Also, I meant

1:26:11

to mention this earlier But like what is it with people

1:26:13

saying I am going to this

1:26:15

place and I'm going to see a goat

1:26:17

this specific ghost And then it happens Couldn't

1:26:20

be me. I've tried. Should we try should

1:26:22

we test it? I'm nervous Did

1:26:26

I I didn't mention on the show?

1:26:29

the the Little

1:26:31

when I asked for an heirloom

1:26:35

Yes, we talked about it. Yes on the show.

1:26:37

Okay. Yeah, that was the first time that I

1:26:39

think I had been I actually

1:26:42

got an answer manifested sort

1:26:44

of like Someone said you

1:26:46

just have to ask for it really specifically and

1:26:48

it will happen and I was like that has

1:26:50

literally never happened for Me and it's the only

1:26:52

time it's worked. So I feel like it's

1:26:55

very the secret, you know You know,

1:26:58

I do believe we kind of create our own reality. So

1:27:00

in a way I'm like, I mean, I guess

1:27:03

if you Try

1:27:05

hard enough. So Kylie Jenner there

1:27:07

was a I don't remember

1:27:09

which year was I think it was 2020

1:27:12

2019 No, maybe someone else

1:27:14

way in but Kylie Jenner

1:27:17

at the turn of a

1:27:19

new year. She was turned

1:27:21

reported. She was a

1:27:24

Filmed saying this is gonna be the year

1:27:26

of knowing things and realizing things. This is

1:27:28

the year of realizing things and Maybe

1:27:31

this is the year of asking things like

1:27:33

just saying hey I'm

1:27:36

asking for it and If

1:27:39

you don't deliver there is not much I can

1:27:41

do but I'm asking so I love that and

1:27:43

that energy Let's ask for things and if they

1:27:45

don't what's the worst that happens? They don't come

1:27:48

to us, you know Yeah,

1:27:50

and then after asking for things maybe

1:27:52

it is also another year of realizing

1:27:54

things after we've asked for it I

1:27:57

feel like we've realized enough and I'm kind of

1:28:00

for it. That's what a lot of

1:28:02

people were saying like through COVID and Trump

1:28:04

and everything. People would take that meme of

1:28:06

Kylie and they were like, I'm done realizing

1:28:08

things. I'm done realizing. Yeah. She's like a

1:28:10

modern day profit. Okay.

1:28:15

Well, tell Kris Jenner, I'm sure she will use

1:28:17

that in some of them. I'm sure she's already

1:28:19

created like, I don't know, a trademark that so

1:28:22

I can't say it anymore. Okay.

1:28:25

Well, let's get to my

1:28:27

story. Shall we? This is

1:28:29

the story of the murder of Mia

1:28:31

Zapata. Okay.

1:28:34

Obligatory pause to see if you know it. Always.

1:28:36

I think out of however

1:28:39

many episodes we've done, maybe 10. I've had

1:28:41

a reaction. But those

1:28:44

10. They were on time.

1:28:46

It was special. They are very

1:28:48

significant. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:28:50

Okay. So, just as a heads up, there

1:28:52

are a number of sources here, but one

1:28:55

that I found particularly helpful was an episode

1:28:57

of a show called Dead of Night, which

1:28:59

is like a classic discovery

1:29:02

plus situation. And

1:29:04

the episode is called Sound of Silence. And

1:29:06

I watched it on Amazon Prime. Cool.

1:29:10

So it was cool. Thank you.

1:29:14

Mia was born in Chicago in August of 1965 to

1:29:17

parents Richard and Donna Zapata. And when

1:29:20

she was a young child, her family

1:29:22

moved to Louisville, Kentucky, where she grew

1:29:24

up in a suburb, attended a college

1:29:26

prep high school. Her

1:29:28

parents though worked in the media and they made quite

1:29:30

a bit of money. And so

1:29:33

Mia lived a pretty comfortable life. I

1:29:36

want to say like traditional Midwest vibes,

1:29:39

but also her parents had quite a bit of money.

1:29:42

So, you know, she

1:29:45

had what was described as

1:29:47

a smart, polished and sophisticated

1:29:49

family. Keep that

1:29:51

in mind. Dakota quality. Dakota quality

1:29:53

in Louisville, Kentucky. You know what

1:29:56

I mean? Fun mix. Yeah.

1:30:00

So Mia and her friends, however, were

1:30:02

described as sophisticated in a less traditional

1:30:05

sense, which also sounds like the meanest

1:30:07

thing you could say in like 1895

1:30:09

or something. Dakota

1:30:12

both quality. Ah,

1:30:16

precisely. So basically

1:30:18

what that meant is that Mia

1:30:20

was creative, intelligent, musically gifted, like,

1:30:23

you know, a little weird, a little different, like

1:30:25

colored her hair, you know. So had

1:30:28

polish and sophistication and money, but was

1:30:30

a little bit different than her kind

1:30:33

of traditional parents and siblings. So

1:30:36

because of her musical abilities, she

1:30:38

ended up going to school at Antioch

1:30:40

College, which is up here in Ohio,

1:30:43

Yellow Springs, Ohio, very small liberal arts

1:30:45

school, shout out. And while

1:30:47

there she formed a band and this would have been 1986.

1:30:51

So her bandmates were Joe Spleen,

1:30:54

Steve Moriarty, and Matt Dresner.

1:30:57

Joe Spleen was meant to be in a fucking band.

1:31:00

Joe Spleen sounds like the

1:31:02

fakest name from a sitcom. Joe

1:31:04

Spleen sounds like there was a

1:31:07

band called Jackal that my dad

1:31:09

really liked. And

1:31:12

they had a song called The Lumberjack.

1:31:14

And at the

1:31:16

whole song, instead of like a guitar, someone's

1:31:18

just revving a chainsaw. And

1:31:21

that feels like something Joe Spleen

1:31:23

does. Joe Spleen level. Yeah, absolutely.

1:31:25

It does in the garage. Like

1:31:28

yeah, for sure. He's

1:31:30

like, how about this guy? He revs the lawnmower

1:31:32

and they're like, not quite the same. I call this

1:31:34

one the lumberjack. Like

1:31:38

Spleen, what did we tell you? You

1:31:40

know, they call him Nalini. I was gonna say you

1:31:43

knew they call him Spleen. Like there's no way they

1:31:45

called him Joe. Okay. But Joe

1:31:47

Spleen like on a poster is like

1:31:49

killer. Like

1:31:52

who's the guy with the jean jacket from

1:31:54

Stranger Things, like the rocker. You know,

1:31:56

he's obsessed with Joe Spleen. It's

1:31:58

got, yeah. Jocelyn,

1:32:02

what do you call it when you hand

1:32:04

stamp like a turkey?

1:32:08

It's like Thanksgiving turkey? It's

1:32:11

just a turkey. Jocelyn,

1:32:14

this is preschool artwork

1:32:16

that they sent home. Imagine

1:32:19

if we had a band poster, like

1:32:21

a metal band, it's just a little

1:32:23

turkey hand print. It's just a spleen.

1:32:26

You realize Zenon is also just like a hand

1:32:28

turkey, but just green, right? She's

1:32:31

just a turkey at the end of the

1:32:33

day, aren't we all? She is a

1:32:35

big old turkey. Anyway, I don't remember what we

1:32:37

were talking about, so let's get back to this. The

1:32:40

band, she has

1:32:42

Jocelyn, et cetera, et al. Matt

1:32:46

first heard me a sing at

1:32:48

a college open mic night, and

1:32:50

he said, I was transfixed and

1:32:52

overcome. I cried. That's

1:32:54

how much her voice resonated

1:32:57

with him. He cried. He

1:33:00

said, it was raw, honest, to the bone, and

1:33:02

from the heart. So,

1:33:04

you're going to really love this. This is the

1:33:06

name of the band, and it sounds like something

1:33:08

you call me as a fun little pet name.

1:33:12

Okay. They called

1:33:14

themselves Sniveling Little Rat-Faced

1:33:17

Gits. Now,

1:33:20

this is full credit Ammani Python

1:33:23

reference, but still very

1:33:25

funny. Okay, so it was rat. What

1:33:28

was it? Sniveling

1:33:30

Little Rat-Faced Gits. Yeah, that

1:33:32

sounds right. So,

1:33:36

yeah, it sounds great, and I love

1:33:38

it even more. So, I

1:33:41

think I already said this, but it is Ammani

1:33:43

Python reference, but I think I love it even

1:33:45

more because ultimately the band name officially became The

1:33:47

Gits. Not

1:33:49

the Sniveling Rats, but yeah, I understand. The

1:33:51

Gits. The Gits does sound cooler. But

1:33:53

I like The Gits because you're like, you don't really know

1:33:56

what it is, and then when you find the backstory, it's

1:33:58

like a really fun little, you know. Yeah,

1:34:00

that's more. What is a git? I

1:34:03

assume it's just like a little, a brat.

1:34:05

I don't know. Like a git out of here. Maybe

1:34:09

that's kind of what, when I first

1:34:11

heard the gits, an unpleasant or contemptible

1:34:13

person, uh, here it is. M

1:34:16

is a mean old git. There you go. So

1:34:21

they shortened it to the gits, which

1:34:23

I love. Uh, and Mia, like I

1:34:25

said, was a very musical person. She'd

1:34:27

grown up deeply passionate about music, learning

1:34:29

to play guitar, piano at a very

1:34:31

early age. She and her siblings would

1:34:33

sing together and she kept journals where

1:34:35

she would write down thoughts, lyrics, poetry.

1:34:38

Uh, she was especially inspired by blues

1:34:40

jazz and R and B and she

1:34:42

found influence in work by singers like

1:34:44

Billie Holiday, Bessie Smith, you know, very

1:34:47

old school traditional artists. But

1:34:49

meanwhile, the gits were a punk rock

1:34:51

band and they were trying to get

1:34:53

in on this eighties, nineties grunge scene.

1:34:55

That was so big. So

1:34:58

Joe played the drums. Andrew was on guitar. Matt

1:35:01

played bass and Mia was the obviously

1:35:03

singer and lyricist and she drew

1:35:05

on some of her earliest inspirations for their songs.

1:35:08

They had a sort of bluesy tone, which

1:35:10

was like an homage to her, her interest

1:35:12

in the blues. Um,

1:35:15

and it was also a new

1:35:17

twist on punk rock. Like punk

1:35:19

rock usually didn't have kind of

1:35:21

a traditional blues, you know,

1:35:23

uh, bent to it. Did

1:35:25

you ever listen to like those, um, uh, I think

1:35:28

they were like charity albums,

1:35:31

uh, called like punk goes crunk and

1:35:33

no rock. Oh my

1:35:35

God. Punk goes crunk was crazy.

1:35:39

There was, uh, it was like

1:35:41

a bunch of like warp tour bands at the time. They would all get together

1:35:43

and like do a song, but it was like, they would do a cover

1:35:46

of a different genre and the one

1:35:48

I listened to was punk goes crunk.

1:35:53

But I think there was like pop goes pop

1:35:55

goes rock or rock goes pop. But it was,

1:35:57

it was all about pop. always

1:36:00

like a genre shift and I love

1:36:02

that the CD would they'd get like

1:36:04

the top 20 warp

1:36:06

tour artists to cover a different song

1:36:09

and the whole CD the proceeds went

1:36:11

to something I mean I yesterday saw

1:36:13

tik-tok where a person was seeing the

1:36:15

most beautiful acoustic cover of Lil Wayne

1:36:17

and I was like this

1:36:19

is like this is what I'm talking about

1:36:21

I love this energy this creative mishmash

1:36:24

swapping swapping the genres you know I love

1:36:26

it I love it there's one I still

1:36:28

listen to that

1:36:31

is by do you remember the main it's like

1:36:35

a fan they did oh I want to love

1:36:37

you and they

1:36:40

did up it was punk goes crunk but the

1:36:42

main I want to love you is still something

1:36:44

I listen to in my car all the time

1:36:46

yeah oh see

1:36:48

now yeah I thought

1:36:51

you meant it was this name of a main song and I

1:36:53

was like I don't know the names of the songs I know

1:36:55

they the main did I want to love you by a con

1:36:57

and it's that day it's

1:36:59

like one of my top listen to songs

1:37:01

oh I'm gonna pull that I'm gonna listen

1:37:03

to that later too I love that I

1:37:05

love it Oh

1:37:07

a con though blues something

1:37:10

goes blues goes rock is what

1:37:12

the right right right punk is

1:37:17

her plunk I don't know clearly

1:37:20

I'm new to this whole thing okay so

1:37:23

basically they had this bluesy tone and so

1:37:26

I tell you that

1:37:28

to say they're punk rock even though there

1:37:30

were so many of these 80s and 90s

1:37:32

kind of grunge bands there stood out because

1:37:34

they had this kind of different element to

1:37:36

it and wouldn't

1:37:38

you know it Mia

1:37:40

and the band in 1989 thought

1:37:42

where are we gonna go to try and

1:37:44

really make it in the grunge world where's

1:37:46

that M Hollywood

1:37:51

Seattle Washington oh okay that makes sense

1:37:53

that that is where the whole grunge

1:37:55

scene was you know the biggest so

1:37:59

they moved their 1989 to

1:38:01

Seattle just a few years before grunge the

1:38:03

grunge wave like hit the city with full

1:38:05

force and Me and

1:38:07

her friends were newcomers to what was becoming

1:38:10

like this burgeoning scene if

1:38:12

they wanted to be part of the community They

1:38:15

had to make a space

1:38:17

for themselves. So they moved from

1:38:19

Ohio to Seattle They moved into

1:38:21

this like rundown property, which they

1:38:24

fondly dubbed the rat house And

1:38:27

you just gotta love them, you know, I love them I feel like

1:38:30

I'd be friends with all of them Oh for

1:38:32

sure. We'd be so We'd

1:38:34

be having meanwhile these socialites are

1:38:36

having seances at the Dakota and we're like

1:38:38

in the rat house Having a

1:38:41

real sale and we'd be like, why

1:38:43

don't they invite us anywhere? I don't

1:38:45

get it I don't say one of

1:38:47

their sands. How come Cindy never sends

1:38:49

me a tasteful tennis tennis outfit? Yeah,

1:38:52

I don't understand So

1:38:54

the gifts were quickly welcomed into

1:38:57

the grunge scene And

1:38:59

one journalist named Adam Tepid

1:39:02

Ellen said they were very involved in the music

1:39:04

scene. They took care of the scene and took

1:39:06

care of each other They put out their own

1:39:08

records. They put out records by each other's bands

1:39:11

Just a very supportive. I know I love

1:39:13

it very supportive grunge scene A

1:39:16

couple other bands that

1:39:18

were kind of in their same circles were

1:39:20

DC beggars and Seven-year

1:39:23

bitch. That's another thing you call me sometimes These

1:39:36

must be bad, I don't know them but I'm

1:39:39

also not like cool Like I don't know if

1:39:41

you know these bands or anything I've never heard

1:39:43

of seven-year bitch, but they're about to be like

1:39:45

my Spotify like wrap It's gonna

1:39:47

be like Joe spleen

1:39:49

and seven years bitch and the rat

1:39:52

and an a con Yeah,

1:40:00

so I mean they knew what they were doing. Like

1:40:02

you could just tell these were fun folks. So

1:40:05

their house, the rat house, as

1:40:08

it will always be known in my heart,

1:40:10

was a social spot for parties and support.

1:40:12

It was kind of like a

1:40:14

meeting house, you know, where people would meet and

1:40:16

party and just get together. If

1:40:18

they had texting back then, what year was it? Yeah. Well,

1:40:21

it was 19, early 90s, so

1:40:23

not quite yet. Maybe a pager.

1:40:26

You know, if they had texting, it would be like meet me

1:40:28

at the rat house, or like they'd

1:40:30

have like a Facebook page. It

1:40:32

would be like, mm at RH. And

1:40:36

be like, what does it mean? Oh, my

1:40:38

pagers, my beeper says I have to get

1:40:41

to the rat house. Oh,

1:40:44

Lordy. Or it'll just say like seven and

1:40:46

you'll know like seven year bitch is around.

1:40:48

Oh, I immediately

1:40:50

would understand that one. Yeah, then you would go.

1:40:53

Yeah, then you'd be there. So

1:40:56

Elizabeth Davis Simpson, speaking of seven year

1:40:58

bitch, was part

1:41:00

of that band. And she said that Mia would often

1:41:02

pop into their rehearsals just to like give them a

1:41:05

thumbs up. And say, you're doing great. So

1:41:07

she's. All right. I know,

1:41:09

I love it. She's a very supportive, very friendly

1:41:11

and outgoing person. Some people,

1:41:14

however, described her as more stoic with

1:41:16

like a very closely

1:41:18

guarded private side. Even

1:41:21

the people closest to her felt like she had

1:41:23

some darker parts

1:41:25

of herself that she didn't like, you know,

1:41:27

give up as willingly. But

1:41:29

they also thought of her as very kind

1:41:31

with an extremely great sense of humor. She

1:41:35

was obviously very serious about music, but

1:41:37

wasn't afraid to laugh at herself. For

1:41:39

example, when she was little, her family

1:41:41

called her chicken legs because she was

1:41:44

double jointed and kind of had

1:41:46

like a wobbly walk. So

1:41:48

they called her chicken legs. And so as

1:41:50

an adult, she got a chicken tattooed on

1:41:52

her leg. Oh, that's fun. Isn't

1:41:55

that cute? Yeah, I just love

1:41:57

that. It's kind of like when you call me tarantula legs and one day

1:41:59

I'll have a tarantula. on my... One

1:42:01

day you'll wake up and I will have

1:42:03

placed a tarantula on your leg. It'll be great.

1:42:06

Oh. Okay. Well,

1:42:08

the next move is mine, I guess after that. Oh

1:42:12

boy. Okay. So,

1:42:14

she and her bandmates dressed

1:42:16

up as court jesters for one

1:42:18

of their filmed performances. She

1:42:21

was just a goofy, fun

1:42:23

person. But she was also sentimental.

1:42:25

She would collect keepsakes. She

1:42:28

kept the dress that she wore to

1:42:30

her sister's wedding, even though she was not

1:42:32

a frilly dress type

1:42:35

girl. It was so

1:42:37

important to her that she had worn it in her

1:42:39

sister's wedding that she kept it, which I think is

1:42:41

very sweet. Mia

1:42:43

was also self-assured and determined to pursue

1:42:45

what she wanted, what she believed in.

1:42:50

Her aesthetic basically was the polar

1:42:52

opposite of the kind of rich,

1:42:55

wealthy, privately schooled household

1:42:58

she grew up in, but her family was

1:43:00

still very supportive of her, which is kind

1:43:03

of unheard of, so I love that. She

1:43:06

had dyed hair. She wore thrifted

1:43:08

clothes. She kind of decided

1:43:10

to forgo wealth, and these are things

1:43:12

that her family were very

1:43:14

proud of her

1:43:16

for, even though they didn't totally

1:43:20

fall in the same camp. She

1:43:22

sounds like that cousin at Thanksgiving that you just

1:43:24

want so badly to like you. Yes.

1:43:27

Oh, she just wants. That everybody likes. Or

1:43:29

maybe she does. Maybe she like hasn't like

1:43:31

a pretty good- She probably does. That's a

1:43:33

thing. A distant understanding and appreciation for you,

1:43:36

but it's not enough for you when you

1:43:38

need the constant direct validation. Everyone's just kind

1:43:40

of like in their sunlight. Yeah. Yeah.

1:43:43

I just want you to take me on

1:43:45

your next adventure. Get me out of this town. I'll

1:43:48

just leave my open journal out and be like,

1:43:50

oh, did you see that song that was raining? It

1:43:54

was called Dirty Little Rat or something. So

1:43:57

it's called I'm a Dirty, I'm a

1:43:59

Thirsty Little Rat. And I live in. I

1:44:02

live in the the sister the walls

1:44:04

of the Dakota. Yeah, But

1:44:06

they're say that the Cip not doubling of it. It's

1:44:10

a far west I. that's why there's so many words. Okay, Cool.

1:44:14