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Hi, everyone. We feel like we're like in

1:27

the middle of a stick up because my computer has

1:29

been holding us hostage. Stick up? Isn't it

1:31

called a hold up? I don't know. The

1:33

only thing I'll say is stick them up.

1:36

Stick them up? No? I

1:38

guess. Is that not right? Okay. Well,

1:40

whatever. We're in a sticky

1:43

situation. Em's computer was

1:45

not working. But here we are.

1:47

You're here. I'm here. We

1:50

don't know if that's a forever thing.

1:53

We sure don't. So why don't we seize the

1:55

moment? Seize the day, you know?

2:00

Yeah. All right. Why

2:02

do you drink, Christine? Oh

2:05

my Christ, alive. Okay,

2:07

well, guess what? I'm

2:09

drinking my liquid, convicted

2:11

melon flavor. Wait, let me- Which

2:14

I thought- Clink. Clink.

2:17

Oh, clink. Clink, because I'm also drinking. Watch that. Break

2:20

your fucking camera. And

2:24

why do you drink? Oh, thanks for

2:26

asking. I

2:28

love my new therapist. She's so great.

2:31

Oh, that's nice. I'm just so happy. But we're

2:33

having- it's a lot of work already. I've only

2:35

been there twice. And I'm like,

2:37

this is really exhausting. She's like, I mean, I know. Are

2:40

you doing- is she making you do homework? Sort

2:43

of, yes. I even left with a book. Oh,

2:46

my God. I know. I believe- I

2:49

believe. Yeah. What's the homework?

2:52

It's to read this book. It's called- oh, God,

2:54

I already forgot what it's called. Where

2:57

did I put it? I already lost her book. Well,

3:00

hopefully she doesn't want to- Well,

3:02

it was a nice run. It's called Dirty of Souls,

3:04

I think. I don't know. She's

3:07

a little woo, which I love. No,

3:09

not Dirty of Souls. That's

3:11

a book I've already read multiple times. I forget

3:13

the name of it. Something about a

3:15

soul. Untethered soul. That's what

3:17

it's called. Deepak Chopra was quoted on the cover.

3:19

I know that. And there's a horse

3:21

on the cover. The Untethered Soul by Alan Singer. Who

3:25

the hell knows what I'm going to read? But

3:27

it's about freeing- let's see. Freeing

3:31

yourself from limitations and soaring

3:33

beyond your boundaries. Okay, so

3:36

we'll see what happens in that regard. Sounds a

3:38

little muddy, but I like it. Sure does. It

3:41

says, embrace the present

3:43

moment. Okay, I could use a

3:46

little bit of that instead of

3:48

dwelling on the past. Anyway, so

3:50

it's been really good, but also really overwhelming because I

3:52

feel like, you know, how

3:55

it just kind of unlocks stuff when

3:57

you start therapy and you're like, oh shit. I do. You

4:01

know what's weird though is, well,

4:06

I'm just thinking like, oh, if I had a therapist

4:08

immediately give me homework, I'd be like, we're not clicking.

4:11

Like, half the problem is that I can't

4:13

get things done. But

4:16

no, I've been having. I've

4:19

just been having any self help book

4:21

though. So like, I'm just made for

4:23

for self help book, record, rep, recommendations.

4:25

It's like my, my love language. Yeah,

4:28

not, not me. But I would love to recommend some to you

4:30

so you could read them and then tell me how they go.

4:33

Oh, nice. That way we've both technically read

4:35

it. Like you could be my audio book. Honestly, that could actually

4:37

be really helpful. Like a book club where I just read

4:39

the books and then I can talk it out with you.

4:41

I love this idea. Can we do that? Okay.

4:44

I would love to do that. You just tell me what I'm missing and

4:46

I'll, I'm happy to talk about it. Yeah. It's

4:48

like I learned better when I like explain it aloud.

4:50

So maybe we could both benefit. Was

4:53

that the point of book reports? Oh,

4:58

I sucked at those two. Obviously. Oh

5:00

my God. There

5:03

was like no worse homework

5:05

you could have given me than like a big book report

5:07

at the end of the week or something. Oh

5:10

my God. I don't even like remember what a book report

5:12

is. Like I'm like, is there a diorama

5:14

involved? Like I can't recall. I think so. There's

5:17

like a poster. It's like one of those, you wake your mom up in the

5:19

middle of the night because you forgot to tell her what they are. And I'm

5:21

like, I forgot you need to buy glitter glue.

5:23

She's like, I'd rather die. Thank you. There's

5:25

not even a store open that sells glitter glue.

5:28

Who said me might set you recently? It

5:32

was like, are you said it to me? That's

5:34

what it was. And then I said it to my

5:36

whole family. It was like me walking

5:38

in after fighting a rabbit's body

5:40

out of a hawk's mouth covered

5:42

in blood. My mom on

5:45

the phone mouthing I'm on

5:47

the phone. Yeah. That's

5:50

our childhood. Like mom, I need glitter glue and

5:52

you're just like cover it. You've like just cut

5:54

your own hand open with the scissors. And she's

5:56

like, I'm very busy right now. Can't you

5:58

see I'm on the phone. I have

6:01

this is just a kind of a random half

6:03

tangent off that but I We

6:06

had the same dinner table growing up since I was a little

6:08

kid and I've made my mom who just did a whole house

6:10

Runner renovation. I was like I need you to save the

6:12

dining room table so she has a random dining room

6:14

table stuffed in the basement because It

6:17

was like I don't know if it was cheap

6:19

wood. I don't know what the right word is No, no ours has

6:22

the same thing as we're writing you'll see all

6:24

the marks from homework Yeah, and so

6:26

I was like I want to save that I don't know what I'm

6:28

gonna do with it But one day I would like to like have

6:30

you know what I'm gonna do with it in my house What

6:32

do homework on it and put paper on it and

6:34

put crayon over it and see what the fuck you

6:36

were writing in your book Report, it's

6:38

mainly math equations. Those are the things I wrote Yeah,

6:43

so you're pressing your pencil into it I'm

6:47

sure I carved something into that at some

6:49

point. I definitely did we had you know I

6:51

feel like I'm envisioning the exact table because my

6:53

dining room table at my mom's she's

6:55

like Never gonna get rid of because

6:58

it still has I mean for when I was

7:00

a kid all the home like you could

7:02

see where I Sat, you know, like my all my

7:04

markings are still there and then my sister where

7:06

she had a different chair So like

7:09

hers are over there. It's very weird. Very

7:11

sweet, but decades of that. I I've

7:14

already told Allison she says it she agrees

7:16

begrudgingly, but I don't care It's like it's

7:18

kind of a non-negotiable for me at this

7:21

point because I've decided to hard well I

7:24

guess two things. Sorry Allison the other thing

7:26

that I really want to keep which is

7:28

equally big and clunky and Inconvenient for us.

7:32

I always thought it would be really cool I saw it was

7:34

so super I saw it in a dream when I was a little

7:36

kid and I was like, oh man That's fun But

7:39

I feel like that means something in a very

7:41

little way I

7:43

always wanted one day God

7:46

forbid my mom sells the house my childhood home

7:48

But I want to save the front door and

7:50

then I always wanted whoever ended up with to

7:52

also save their childhood home Front door and then

7:54

like put some okay, you're like it's equally clunky.

7:56

I'm like, I would argue it's a part of

7:58

a house It's a more than clunky. It's like

8:00

you're gonna move and you don't need it anymore. I would

8:02

like it. I feel like it'd be a cool like art

8:04

installation of like both of our childhood front

8:06

doors to be together. So I

8:09

do I do feel like my

8:11

childhood door growing up.

8:13

If I saw it in person, it would be very emotional.

8:16

Yeah. So don't even don't even get no,

8:18

I mean, hey, I'm not gonna go over

8:21

there and unscrew it off of the whoever

8:23

lives there now. I'm just saying I understand

8:25

the sentimentality behind it. Are

8:28

you just gonna put them on your house or are you

8:30

gonna like I don't know yet. I feel like I

8:32

find a way to use them. It would be I mean, honestly,

8:34

if we just hung them, that would be kind of cool too.

8:36

Because then it's just our doors next to each other. I don't

8:38

know what I would do. But I, I

8:41

have already made my

8:43

mom agree to it. So I

8:45

just gotta get out since mom

8:47

to agree. She

8:49

listened to this. So if this is your first time hearing it,

8:52

I would like to thank you. Hold up. Like

8:54

you know that whatever it is. This is a

8:56

stick up. Give me the door. Anyway,

8:59

I don't know where we how we tangent off

9:01

of that. But I'm glad you're during I guess

9:03

I should ask you. I

9:08

don't know. I'm feeling depressed today. Me

9:11

too. I don't know

9:13

why. I think I just have

9:15

I honestly it's I've been traveling so

9:17

much. Maybe it's just like I'm hitting

9:20

the low after all the highs. Because

9:22

even in like the being nervous for a show or

9:24

whatever, it's all still a high whether it's a good

9:27

higher about the high. There's a crash afterward. Yeah,

9:29

I think I'm just experiencing a little

9:32

crash. So this might make you feel better.

9:34

This is my decor right now behind me. It

9:36

is. Not

9:38

really. Thanks. Anyway, well, so

9:41

I'm showed up. We went

9:43

to Toronto and send us a picture of

9:45

a location in

9:47

Toronto that they were going to called

9:49

the poop cafe with the accent over

9:51

the E. Okay, don't even forget about

9:54

it. So I'm literally

9:56

went to the poop cafe. I was not having it.

9:58

I was like trying to explain last

10:00

night when he hear the attitude coming out of Christine

10:02

this is how she sounded about the poop cafe it

10:04

was a relentless attitude and I am doubling

10:07

down I know

10:09

about that baby maybe I probably

10:12

should but like I won't because I stand

10:14

by it I think it's a gross idea

10:16

and I don't really I think

10:18

I was just I think you just got really

10:20

defensive about how much you wanted to go to the

10:22

poop cafe and I was like well I don't see

10:25

why you would do that and then it turned into

10:27

this big debate to where then

10:29

I had to double down on no I don't find

10:32

it enjoyable to go to a place called the

10:35

poop cafe so M went your memory of it

10:37

is very different than mine but okay then showed up in

10:39

the car and I

10:42

said that better not be and said I have a gift

10:44

for you I said it better not be from the poop

10:47

cafe I said why isn't what is your fucking problem

10:49

and then I was like fine what is it and I'm

10:51

enhancing this giant pillow shape like

10:53

poop that says

10:56

I wanted to give you a gift when you were excited for a

10:58

gift I wasn't gonna give it to you if you didn't want it

11:00

so I needed you to ask so you like gaslit me

11:02

into thinking it was something else and then you were like

11:04

surprise it's exactly what you hate what's

11:11

your version of events I don't remember

11:13

debating with you all that much I remember just saying

11:15

I'm gonna go here and you caused a real ruckus about

11:17

it and I went I said you don't have to

11:19

have your own I said that's ludicrous is

11:22

what I said and I think then you took that

11:24

and you were like well you know what you have an

11:26

attitude problem and I said I sure do and I

11:29

think I said I'm gonna go I'll let you know

11:31

how it is and then when I got there I

11:34

sent pictures and I ended

11:36

up having a great time you sit on the

11:38

toilet yeah it is I'm not

11:40

gonna sit here and pretend like I didn't think it

11:42

was disgusting I did but I okay well alright

11:44

at least we agree about that we'll

11:47

be a great day one on that one I think

11:49

I just but if there's a

11:52

big difference between the two of us it's

11:54

that I am very driven by novelty I

11:56

was gonna say and in it for the

11:58

novelty that's so true is so real But

12:00

I look what I do have look what I

12:02

have lit right behind me is my candle that

12:04

you got me that same trip it

12:06

says summon and it

12:09

smells delightful and M

12:11

and I used it we lit it

12:13

in the hotel room while we practiced

12:15

our ESP Which you can watch on

12:18

patreon shout out to patreon

12:20

because we and found the coolest thing

12:22

ever which is a Kreskin's ESP

12:25

testing game from Question,

12:29

right? I found that on my on

12:31

my wanderings I'm

12:34

just happened to get a hotel room right next to me shows up

12:36

with this board game from 1964 and it's been used So

12:40

it has like this pencil speaking of like

12:42

the etchings and pencil marks and it

12:44

has the original people who played it

12:47

They're like, you know answers and stuff. It's so

12:49

cool. So we played it. Anyway, you

12:51

can watch us do it in the green room I'm on

12:54

Patreon but spoiler Christina's not

12:57

psychic Okay, but apparently I was the

12:59

second time we tried it of the first time I'm

13:02

like was freaky good at it in the hotel, which

13:04

we didn't film of course, so we don't have proof

13:06

of that But it's true. I thought with my own

13:08

life Like and

13:10

was just like nailing it like arrow check

13:13

mark orange green, you know like nailing it

13:15

and then I tried and I got I

13:18

was so bad that it was impressive I

13:20

thought like I was so bad that like

13:22

statistically I was getting more

13:24

wrong than I should have been just by chance Well

13:29

wild thought but then we did it in the green room for fun

13:31

and I was like here do it on me cuz I'm So bad

13:34

at it and suddenly I was

13:36

like weird. We get the camera you just

13:38

camera Maybe

13:41

you love an audience. I

13:43

love an audience. Anyway, so I

13:46

forget why I'm talking about this beautiful candle So

13:48

I do appreciate your gifts and I have this

13:50

now here. I'm surprised you didn't burn it I

13:52

really did know I knew I was spending money that you're

13:54

probably just gonna throw in the trash You know, I

13:56

won't throw you know, I don't throw things in the trash. That's

13:58

my thing like that's the problem That may be why

14:01

I was so mad. I was like now I'm old for

14:03

the rest of my life. A dirty

14:05

old lemon you would keep, I thought a brand

14:07

new pillow you would throw away. So. No,

14:10

like nothing, I will not throw, brand new thing. I cannot

14:12

bring myself to throw away. At the very least I would

14:14

donate it. But I

14:16

just, you know I can't. You gave it to

14:18

me, it's mine now forever. It's like you're gifting

14:21

upon me these things that now, I

14:25

need to do my homework I think for therapy. Okay. I

14:28

can't even do my homework. This is starting to really get

14:30

like, hmm. Wow, that's a lot

14:32

of problems. Anyway. Anyway,

14:35

I will say the poop cafe was as gross as I thought

14:37

it would be. Well, it was not as gross as I thought

14:39

it would be. It was actually very precious. It's not that,

14:41

yeah. But it was- It seems like they lean more into

14:43

the emoji side of things. You know. Yeah,

14:46

I don't understand still, but I

14:49

wasn't there to understand. I was there to- But you had

14:51

a great waffle, you said. They made

14:53

a really mean waffle. So, I mean,

14:56

and I got a stuffed animal out of

14:58

it or Christine did. The- Wait

15:00

a minute. I did

15:02

think it was clever, not fun,

15:04

but clever that you had to

15:07

sit on toilets. Those were the

15:09

chairs in the restaurant. And

15:12

then there were murals of poop everywhere. I

15:14

honestly, it was, I know it

15:16

was a cute little emoji that they painted everywhere, but it was still

15:18

a little stomach churning. So I was like, what? Yeah.

15:21

And you know what was the worst part of it

15:23

was that the menu had nothing to do with poop,

15:25

which like you should at least have like fun work.

15:29

You're gonna lean into it. Like you came up with the best one. I

15:31

mean, it was in Canada. Why don't you have poo-teen?

15:34

You kidding me? That's shocking to me that they didn't. And so they

15:36

had waffles. I was like, what is going on here? You need

15:39

to leave a comment card because like that is

15:41

out of control. I'm worried that they

15:43

would lean into the word too much and then things would

15:45

aesthetically look like poop. And I don't want to eat that.

15:48

That's where I got a little icked. Yeah.

15:50

You know, I mean, now that you're speaking

15:52

about it so reasonably, we're definitely on a

15:55

very similar page, but I think- Okay.

15:58

I hope they get one. Nothing,

16:00

nothing. I'm glad we're on

16:03

the same page now. Okay, listen, earlier I

16:05

sent Emma photo of something they texted

16:07

me in or Snapchatted me

16:09

in 2018 and I

16:11

swear to God if I said to Emma, you said this

16:13

to me in 2018 before my interview

16:16

at Nickelodeon, Emma would say I would never

16:18

have said that. But I have a screenshot

16:20

of it. So just in this moment, I

16:22

feel like maybe there's a slight validity that

16:26

is not being extended to

16:29

me. I feel like, and

16:31

by the way, that message said, good luck with

16:34

your dull ass personality today. In

16:36

case anyone's wondering. And apparently I saved it because

16:39

it was so delightful. And guess what? It worked.

16:41

I got the job. I like

16:43

to think I just

16:45

told Christine through text. I was like, I

16:47

feel like our entire our entire friendship is

16:49

very context necessary. Yeah. And

16:51

like, I feel like the only reason I

16:54

would have sent that to you, especially that

16:56

early in our friendship is because we had

16:58

just discussed something about dull personalities. There's no

17:01

way that I just said

17:03

that to you. But I don't know. Nowadays

17:05

I don't know you for your annoying.

17:08

And you do that to a lot of people.

17:10

So I feel like, you

17:12

know, it's not I have a different thing with every other

17:14

person though. Like yours specifically is I

17:17

try to tax you on being annoying. And

17:20

then the annoying thing is you won't pay me. So

17:22

it works out full circle. Yeah,

17:25

then I just like double down. See, this

17:27

is how this happens. These exchanges between us,

17:29

I think like one slight rib

17:31

and then like, we both just kind

17:34

of camp out in

17:37

like unnecessarily opposing sides, you know, like about

17:39

the poop. At least on Venmo. That's definitely

17:41

true. I at least on Venmo.

17:43

At the very least, I could agree with

17:45

you on Venmo because there are two unpaid

17:48

transactions I'm waiting on for meal. And I

17:50

think I'll be waiting for a long time.

17:52

I think what bothers me is that

17:54

the fee on that one cent is

17:56

going to be more than the one cent and

17:58

it like irks me. I'm like I don't

18:00

want to like give banks more money just by sending

18:03

one cent I can charge you a dollar

18:05

you want that? I can charge you a dollar. Well

18:09

in that case, take

18:11

my money. Highway robbery.

18:14

Wow this is a stick up if

18:16

I ever saw one. This

18:20

is not a joke I genuinely just turned red

18:23

out of embarrassment because I realized as I started

18:25

reading this copy that I am wearing all Quince

18:27

right now because that's all I wear ever now

18:29

like I'm such a fangirl and let me tell

18:32

you a little bit about them real quick. So

18:34

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18:36

junky clothes everywhere and I felt like I was

18:38

it was out of control and I was always

18:40

buying pieces to try And make my wardrobe feel

18:43

better and more like me then I discovered Quince

18:45

and I was able to clear out a bunch

18:47

of junk and now I have a wardrobe of

18:49

legitimately luxury essentials that Transition from one

18:51

occasion like recording ads to the next like

18:54

Ronnie Aarons to the next which is guesting

18:56

on another podcast today And I stayed on

18:58

a very good budget. They have 100% Mongolian

19:00

cashmere sweaters to be clear That's not what I'm wearing

19:02

right now. I'm wearing their sweatsuit situation, but I do

19:05

have one of the cashmere sweaters. It was $50 They

19:07

also have organic cotton sweaters washable silk tops

19:10

Which I'm always wearing to live shows and

19:12

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19:14

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me a story, MSA, please. I

21:20

will tell you a folklore of Louisiana's swamp

21:22

werewolves. Okay,

21:28

okay. Are you interested yet? Have

21:30

I captured your attention? You've

21:33

piqued my interest and it has been peeped. Its

21:36

name is Rugaroo. Aww.

21:40

All right, which I can get into. I feel like

21:42

you could write a song about Rugaroo. You could make

21:44

a meal about Rugaroo. Not like actually with made out

21:46

of swamp werewolf, but you could eat. You could

21:49

make a pugaroo and sell it at the poop

21:51

cafe. Rugapoo, pugapoo. Don't

21:55

just change it on me. I said pugaroo.

21:58

See, this is what I'm saying. We're gonna. We're gonna go

22:00

down in flames over the dumbest thing one

22:03

day. It'll be over a poop pun or

22:05

something But am I wrong on like you

22:07

can make a rue the rue? a

22:10

ruger rue Like a

22:13

rue. Yeah, I feel like there's potential there You

22:15

could do a lot of things with this word and I

22:17

feel like there's a dance. There's a silly dance to it

22:20

There should be a shirt. You

22:23

can make a great shirt with the word ruger rue on

22:25

it. Anyway Apparently,

22:27

is it a kangaroo? Is that why it's called that?

22:30

No, we've got you will learn The

22:34

name you will learn how the name came

22:36

to be. Okay so

22:40

It originally starts in France And

22:44

France I guess apparently has

22:46

a long tradition of werewolf

22:48

legends since at least like the 11th

22:50

century like in the 11th century remember

22:53

our our werewolf

22:55

and vampire tour in New Orleans they

22:58

talked about how the French brought over all

23:00

that lore I

23:02

think you've already picked up on where

23:04

we where we end here by saying

23:06

France and you immediately go to New

23:09

Orleans and this is the Louisiana So

23:12

I just kind of made the connection

23:14

not a not a hard trip, but but

23:16

you made you made the job good job

23:21

It's like when Leona now says good job mommy when I

23:23

do things because like we always say good job And

23:25

so I'll like cut up a banana and she'll be like

23:28

good job Mommy and like if it were anyone

23:30

else would be like how dare you patronize me?

23:32

But it's just so cute because she's too but she's

23:35

like wow very good mommy and like pass

23:37

your back You know, which is very adorable.

23:39

But like I'm like, I mean, yeah, I

23:41

know how to cut it I know how to open a banana, but thank

23:43

you. That's very polite. So anyway,

23:46

I'm interesting take Yeah,

23:49

but I think your take is definitely the more

23:51

common one But these days if anyone in my

23:53

circle says good job to me I really just

23:56

own it and I just like I ride

23:58

the high I'm like Good job. I

24:00

really did do a good job. I did open

24:03

that banana. Yeah. Usually if it's someone outside of

24:05

my circle or a man in general, I'm like,

24:07

you are a fucking condescending prick. But... Yeah, exactly

24:09

what I mean. But if I were cutting a

24:11

banana in front of you and you went, good

24:13

job, I'd be like, I did

24:15

do a good job. That's nice. So I'm

24:17

trying to... Oh, okay. Good to know. I'll

24:20

put that... I'll log that one in away.

24:22

I like owning the small moments because we forget

24:25

that some... At one point, Christine, you

24:27

didn't know how to cut a banana. I just complimented... That's

24:29

right. And one time I complimented you making a sandwich and

24:31

you thought I was being sarcastic.

24:33

So I feel like... That was before

24:35

my... This new journey. I've been burnt

24:37

by this behavior. I was so impressed

24:39

and you were like, why are you

24:41

making fun of my sandwich making? And

24:43

I'm like, I'm not. I'm genuinely so

24:45

enthralled by how well you make a

24:48

sandwich. Genuinely. That was before I decided

24:50

to claim the small things. At

24:53

the time, I had the same mentality as you about

24:55

cutting a banana where you would have been like, why

24:57

were you making fun of me? And now we're trying

24:59

to turn a new leaf. Okay, great.

25:02

So I'll continue with the words of affirmation. Got

25:04

it. Thank you. Thank you. I tell myself, good

25:06

job a lot too. After I did these notes,

25:08

I went, good job. And I went, I know.

25:11

Okay. So... Okay.

25:17

Okay. So well

25:19

done, Christine. Yes, you have figured out how

25:22

we land in Louisiana from here. So

25:25

France has had a long tradition of werewolves since

25:27

the 11th century. That's

25:30

print alone. We have evidence

25:32

of werewolf lore in

25:34

France. Some of the werewolves at

25:37

the time though, which I think is super cool, is

25:39

that it

25:41

wasn't always like werewolves were bad. There was

25:43

just stories of werewolves being

25:45

good people, but that usually the story

25:48

usually meant that like it was a good person who was

25:50

cursed to be a werewolf. Aha,

25:52

sure. Which I guess

25:54

isn't all that different than today's stories of

25:56

werewolves. Like when you hear the classic, like a man

25:58

turning into a werewolf and he always... look so

26:01

battered and scared because all he looks to is

26:03

be a good person. He wants to avoid the

26:05

full moon, yeah. Yeah, so I

26:07

feel like things haven't changed too much but

26:10

there's one example of this I

26:12

want to mention which was a

26:14

poem from the 12th century called

26:17

Biscovele... it's French...

26:19

Bisclevaire. Oh God. I

26:21

keep calling

26:25

it Biscuit. Okay,

26:28

but this is a

26:30

poem where the poet herself even said this is

26:33

not my original work this is a story I

26:35

heard throughout the years but it was in

26:37

a different language so I'm just translating it

26:40

for the

26:42

French to enjoy. But then

26:44

I guess she still got like poet credit so all

26:47

right. The

26:49

reason it is called Bisclevaire

26:51

is it means werewolf but

26:56

I stand corrected it's Bisclevaire is

26:58

not the French word it's

27:00

the original language that the

27:02

story came in it's

27:05

it's called Breton and

27:07

it's an old Celtic language.

27:09

Oh my okay so we have no idea how to say

27:11

it. Yeah, even

27:14

if I'm trying my best it

27:17

could say Fred you know I don't know but

27:21

it's a it means werewolf in the

27:23

original language. Gotcha.

27:26

Okay, so in this

27:28

poem the story goes that there was

27:30

this Baron this Baron that was very

27:32

well-liked by the king and

27:35

he disappears for several days a week. Nobody

27:37

knows where he goes his wife is freaking out she thinks

27:40

he's cheating on her and she

27:42

says please tell me where you're going he admits that he

27:44

is a werewolf. Oh can

27:46

you imagine if Blaze just admitted that now?

27:49

It's like you've been through so

27:51

much already like now this so

27:53

he's cheating on me. Can we

27:56

go back to that? Honestly though

27:58

it's like the vibes that you get. Christine,

28:00

I would not be surprised if you were married to a werewolf. I

28:02

feel like that's meant for you. I didn't even

28:04

feel like that far off. I'd be like, oh,

28:07

okay, that sounds right. Of all

28:09

the things, I mean, if Blaze is saying it, you're just

28:11

gonna believe it for sure because he's already... That's

28:13

the truth. He's a straight shooter, you know?

28:16

That's part of his disguise, is that he's a

28:18

skeptic, but really, at night... Oh! You

28:21

know? Yeah. He knows more than he lets on. So

28:24

he admits that he's been cursed to become a werewolf,

28:26

and he goes into the woods, strips

28:29

naked, wanders around as a wolf, and

28:32

then he comes back and lives his normal life as

28:34

a baron. But, very

28:37

importantly, he lets

28:39

her know, I have to take my

28:41

clothes off so I can become a werewolf, but

28:43

I have to make sure I hide my clothes

28:46

and remember exactly where they are, because if I

28:48

lose my clothes... First of all, if you

28:50

lose your clothes, you're naked and you look very silly to the public. I

28:53

thought that's a... I thought that... I was like, that is a big

28:55

deal, but I guess there's another big deal about it? Mm-hmm.

28:57

Because if he loses his clothes, for

29:01

some reason, that is

29:03

what holds his humanity, and if he loses his

29:05

clothes, he'll be trapped as a werewolf forever. They're

29:08

in his pants? They're

29:12

in his pants? His humanity? Yeah. Is it

29:14

in his socks? I don't understand.

29:19

It's in his undies. It's in the

29:21

part of the undies that stitched back up with his

29:23

name on it. Aww.

29:27

Apparently... Yeah. So

29:30

that also makes me wonder, does he turn back

29:32

into a human to then

29:34

grab his clothes, or as a wolf does he have to still have

29:36

some consciousness? Does he have to put the socks on? Yeah.

29:40

The underwear on as a wolf. Can you imagine a four-legged

29:42

dog-like creature trying to put socks on?

29:45

That just looks like a silly TikTok. Yeah, I'm

29:47

literally looking at Gio right now, and I'm like,

29:49

he's done that plenty of times. Maybe he's trying

29:51

to reverse the curse. I don't know. Well,

29:53

apparently he... I don't know that part. I wish

29:56

I did, because I feel like it's a little

29:58

bit of a joke. like

30:00

the best part maybe he's just

30:02

kind of like do a thing where he like

30:04

gets a hat and he kind of like throws

30:06

in the air and it lands on his head

30:08

and that's enough to turn him into a human

30:10

he's living in a clearing and you guys and

30:12

he's like this dog is just like playing with

30:14

a fucking bowler hat imagine

30:16

what he imagined if he

30:18

puts his socks on first and then he looks like

30:21

one of those dogs who doesn't like the shoes and

30:23

he's walking all crazy before he turns back into a

30:25

human I think that's the curse like none

30:27

of the other shit is a big deal

30:29

that would be the curse for for somebody to

30:31

go through that every week or every month and

30:35

Christine that confirms the

30:37

you know age-old

30:39

question of like

30:41

a dog wearing pants is

30:43

it on all four legs or is

30:46

it just horse isn't it usually a

30:48

horse how does a horse wear jeans

30:50

is it four legs I'm too I

30:53

think it's a very

30:55

transferable question to the situation

30:57

fair point yeah indeed because if he

30:59

has to take his socks off there

31:02

it's only gonna be on two of

31:04

those legs you know Wow what a

31:06

conundrum anyway we've answered

31:08

a lot and nothing at the same

31:10

time today I think that's what we've

31:12

done for seven years now so

31:15

he's he has to

31:17

remember where he finds his clothes I don't know how

31:19

he goes about putting them back on but if he

31:21

ever loses them he's stuck as a werewolf that's the

31:23

that's the main part of this his

31:26

wife is terrified that he's a werewolf she does

31:28

not take the news well she's like I wish you

31:30

were just cheating on me and

31:34

and so she knows I wonder if she

31:37

also was kind of hoping he was cheating on her because

31:39

there's a night in her life who has

31:41

a quick pressure maybe

31:43

she thought well let's open this thing up you

31:45

do you I do me whatever

31:48

mm-hmm but instead she's

31:50

like shit he's a werewolf I can't be with

31:52

us hot night now so she

31:55

does instead is she's like hey mr. night you

31:57

come on over to me and says I

32:00

know your feelings for me. Here's the

32:02

situation though. If you go follow him

32:04

and steal his clothes while he's a werewolf,

32:07

he's stuck as a werewolf. You and I can get it on. I think

32:10

that is grounds for an annulment in

32:12

the Catholic Church. So yeah, you could

32:15

probably get away with that. And

32:18

I think the knight agreed because he absolutely

32:20

does that. The first option he can. First

32:22

opportunity he can. And

32:27

traps the husband as a werewolf in the woods

32:29

and he marries the wife. And

32:32

they live in bliss

32:35

quotes for a year. And

32:37

then a year later, the king is out

32:39

hunting with his dogs and they corner a

32:41

wolf. And

32:43

it's his old friend. And it has one

32:45

clavre Fred. Fred?

32:49

I don't know. And

32:53

I guess he recognizes as he's cornered by

32:55

these dogs, he realizes that the king

32:57

is nearby because he's like, oh, those are the king's dogs.

32:59

I know the king. He's my buddy.

33:02

Royal dogs. He outruns

33:05

the dogs. He finds the king, which by

33:07

the way, yikes. Can you imagine being the

33:09

king and seeing a massive wolf charging you

33:11

in the middle of the woods? Your dogs

33:13

like running toward you and then like a wolf

33:16

that breaks through. Yeah, that's pretty scary. So

33:21

and he can't speak. He's in wolf form. I

33:23

was going to ask. So he's like, well, I'm

33:25

her friend. Right. But

33:27

all the king hears is, you

33:30

know, like something scary. Sure. Yeah. But

33:32

I guess he like charges the

33:34

king fast enough to outrun the dogs, but

33:36

slow enough to not totally terrify the king

33:40

and runs up to him and starts kissing the

33:42

king's feet as like a please don't hurt me.

33:45

Like licking them. Yeah,

33:47

if I if a wolf licked me,

33:50

let's be clear that would

33:53

not change my opinion of the wolf. In

33:55

fact, it would scare me more. I'd be

33:57

like, oh, he's tasting his snack.

33:59

Exactly. Yeah, no,

34:01

thank you is prepping his appetizer.

34:04

He's hungry. Yeah The

34:08

king however saw this as like a good thing

34:10

he was like, oh hell yeah Like this is

34:12

like the most noble loyal wolf I ever didn't

34:14

meet in the woods Probably

34:16

because he didn't eat me but also because he's like

34:18

kissing my feet kissing the ground and I'm the king

34:21

Yeah, so he's like this little guy

34:23

is gonna end up being a friend

34:26

of mine over at the castle Wow,

34:29

okay, so now he's a pet Yeah,

34:32

and can you imagine like getting the news? Oh

34:34

like King William or

34:36

King Charles whoever's the king right now There's

34:39

a wolf just chillin and like the only reason

34:42

they have that wolf is because it looks weird

34:45

All the corgis just vanished one day and they're like Anything

34:49

to do with the new wolf we brought home, right Oh

35:00

They brought home a friend for the corgis maybe So

35:06

One day, you know now that the now that

35:08

he lives with the king The

35:10

knight who stole his clothes and turned him

35:13

into the werewolf He

35:15

goes to visit the king. He's a huh? He

35:18

goes to the castle and he says

35:20

Oh, what a cute little wolf you got

35:22

and oh, I don't know his name

35:24

So I'm gonna just start calling them big B. He

35:26

sees the night and attacks the shit out

35:29

of him. Oh I

35:32

wonder how he knows that the night is the

35:34

one who took the clothes Yeah

35:38

Great point. Maybe he already could sniff

35:41

something interesting was going on maybe or maybe

35:43

he stopped by their house You

35:45

know and was like wait a minute this

35:47

mother you look through the window as a werewolf

35:49

and saw that they were Dancing

35:51

in the kitchen together night was wearing his

35:54

underwear with his name in it. He's like

35:56

that's where This motherfucker stole

35:58

my under stole my humor humanity?

36:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Outrageous.

36:04

And so, somehow

36:06

he knows, somehow he knows, and so he attacks the

36:08

knight. And the king and everyone

36:10

in the castle defends the wolf,

36:12

and they're like, well, he knows something, he

36:15

must know. Well,

36:19

they're like, he's only ever licked our feet and

36:21

been very kind. So, for

36:23

him to not be so docile

36:25

to you, something's up. He's

36:28

got his reasons, and we're gonna let that be. Yeah. So,

36:32

they don't do anything to punish the wolf, they just

36:34

let him keep living in the castle. And

36:37

one day, the king goes to the area of town where

36:41

the guy, the werewolf, the baron, where

36:43

he used to live, and they run into his wife.

36:48

And he sees his wife, he

36:51

attacks her, he tears off her nose. Oh

36:55

my god! Yikes.

36:58

Whoa! A

37:00

friend of the king in the poem, or

37:03

the source I saw called it a

37:05

wise man. I don't know if he was actually known as

37:08

the wise man or he just happened to be wise, and

37:10

that's how he was described. But a friend

37:12

of the king was like, you know what's so funny?

37:14

This dog, he

37:16

only has ever been like that to

37:18

the knight and that missing baron's wife.

37:22

So wise. And

37:24

so people are like, interesting, there must be a connection

37:26

there. This is a case for the FBI. And

37:29

people get suspicious, they eventually question

37:32

the wife because they're like, do

37:35

you know the knight? What is their

37:37

relationship here? Why did both

37:39

of you get attacked by this wolf who's just

37:41

the sweetest, cuddliest thing? Both of

37:43

your noses are missing, and that's odd also. This

37:46

does also feel a bit like a story

37:49

for all of us. So like if

37:52

someone ever – if our very sweet,

37:54

cuddly-owned little personal at-home dog

37:57

acted weird, we would hold the highest court

37:59

interrogation. possible to be like, what did you do to him?

38:02

No, it's true. I mean, I when I walk

38:04

the street and like, Gio acts funny about somebody,

38:06

I'm like, I'm ignoring, I'm avoiding that person. I

38:08

don't care if they're like five or like, they're

38:10

usually five because he's scared of children. But, you

38:13

know, I trust, I trust the dog's instincts or

38:15

a wolf in this case. I

38:18

think the worst thing you ever did for Gio was have a

38:20

child because now he's got to live with his

38:22

biggest fear. It's like, it's almost like he's

38:25

like, this one's different because she's mine.

38:27

You know what I mean? Like, he's

38:29

like, because we thought we were really worried. We were

38:31

like, is he gonna eat her? But

38:34

no, he's like, this one's mine. I mean, he's like

38:36

half pitbull. So I think he just has this like

38:38

kind of possessive thing. The nanny kind of thing. Yeah,

38:40

the nannying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I

38:43

love that you keep bringing things into your home that

38:45

he could eat. And you're wondering the whole time, will

38:47

he eat it? Yeah, that's called

38:49

it's a game show. I play with myself

38:51

and nobody else. Juniper was

38:53

absolutely gonna die the first. Oh, Juniper

38:55

and Moon friend were for sure number

38:57

one on the list. But do you

38:59

have to look at Juniper every now

39:01

and then and be like, you are

39:03

so fucking lucky they locked you that

39:05

up. Yeah, honestly, you are so fucking

39:07

lucky. I should have eaten you when I

39:09

had the chance. I

39:12

don't doubt it. So anyway,

39:14

they interrogate the wife

39:16

being like something's up our

39:19

very friendly dog. Werewolf has

39:21

an issue with you something's going on. Eventually

39:24

she confesses we don't know if it's under

39:26

duress or whatever but she confesses and says

39:28

I and I took his clothes and all this

39:30

stuff and here is clothes take them back, take them

39:33

back. When he

39:35

is returned his clothes, the werewolf

39:37

becomes the Baron again. Okay, but

39:40

just imagine it like it's imagine the specifics of

39:42

like, here's your jack and he puts it on

39:44

and all of a sudden you see a naked

39:46

ass man with his penis hanging out like you'd

39:48

be like, whoa. They're

39:50

probably like pants first, pants first. Underwear first. That's

39:52

true. Underwear first. Pants

39:54

first. We don't know which legs they go on. We'll ask the horse

39:56

for beans. He turns into

39:58

a human and his arm. just have pants on and

40:01

he was just like naked everywhere. Or just

40:03

one arm and one leg, yeah. I

40:07

feel like this is bound to be an

40:09

uncomfy situation for everybody. So

40:11

here's where it gets a little fruity. I don't

40:13

know what this means. Apparently

40:16

because the king and him were friends. The king runs

40:18

over to him and kisses him. Okay,

40:20

girl. Why? Okay. And

40:23

I think it probably just meant like a straight

40:27

man on man kiss. Yeah, like, oh,

40:29

it's you, my old friend. It's you. Yeah.

40:32

I would like to make it gay. So in this

40:34

version that you've heard on and that's why we drink

40:36

Source M Schultz. They made out for

40:39

sure. And

40:42

they loved it. And so did I hearing about it later. And

40:45

weird ass fan fiction. Think thought he waited till

40:47

he wasn't a dog anymore. That would have been real.

40:51

Oh, I'm saying you're

40:53

a close there with that one. But

40:55

also, by the way, since they're pretending that they actually

40:57

did make out. Imagine the

41:00

fucking breath on that guy after being

41:02

a werewolf warrior. Woof.

41:05

Literally. That's crazy. No,

41:07

no, no, no. But also think

41:09

about the king's breath in the like 12th

41:11

century. Was it really any better? I mean,

41:13

it's fine. Did he even have teeth at

41:15

that point? They must have all fallen out. Okay.

41:19

Made a word, you know. He gives the bear in

41:21

his land back. He exiles. This is the king. He gives

41:23

the bear in his land back. He does the work on

41:25

his tomb and he calls the wife in the night. And

41:27

legend has it that even her own descendants to this very

41:29

day. Are born without noses to

41:32

remind everybody of their betrayal to

41:34

her own husband. I

41:37

don't totally understand. But that's the laser. Wowza.

41:39

Okay, so there's you need a spot,

41:42

I guess. Uh-huh.

41:45

Yeah. So that's the poem. That's like one

41:47

of the first written examples of

41:49

a werewolf in France. But again, remember it was...

41:52

It's a great report, by the way. Thank

41:54

you. That was probably

41:56

the only book report I've ever cared

41:58

about. If I knew anything about... having a personality

42:00

when I was a child I think book reports would have been

42:02

a lot better for my you would have owned

42:04

the classroom like yeah for sure I've

42:07

been like listen they made out but

42:09

can you imagine how rank their breath

42:11

that's insane your diorama would have been

42:13

so PG-13 and they would have been

42:15

like this is second grade we're calling

42:17

your mother and she'd be like I'm on the phone sorry

42:20

I didn't buy my child glitter glue it's my

42:23

fault uh I do remember something

42:26

about there's a very vague memory I think I've

42:29

tried to block it out the best I can

42:31

there is an in journalism in high school there's

42:33

an ad I did that was very very

42:35

risque I lie an ad

42:37

an ad there was like a

42:40

classified ad no

42:42

it was like like for journalism it was not

42:44

for the newspaper but we were in journalism class

42:46

and it was like he practiced how to like

42:48

sell an ad and so it

42:50

was for Valentine's cells yeah

42:53

and it was

42:56

for Valentine's Day I remember being like a

42:59

project during Valentine's Day around they're like everyone

43:01

they're like everyone pick a different candy and

43:03

like try to like make an ad and

43:06

I remember like doing something

43:08

raunchy like like doing some sort of

43:10

it was just a

43:12

lot of like innuendos or something double entendre

43:15

something like that but definitely like things a 14 year

43:17

old shouldn't have been doing so I probably have to try to

43:19

step back to my own my own

43:22

upbringing but I lord I

43:24

would love to find that I'm

43:26

so glad it's one

43:28

of those things it's

43:30

like thank God we didn't have social

43:33

media back then because yeah I would

43:35

have probably posted about it and been so proud

43:37

and now I just like the thought

43:40

is too much so let's leave it

43:42

in the past right yeah live in the moment as

43:44

my new book says that I haven't read yet so

43:50

anyway that's the first like written example

43:52

of a werewolf in France although it

43:54

was translated from Celtic

43:56

languages so maybe that's like one of

43:58

the first ones we don't really know And

44:02

as centuries passed, this

44:05

story would always come about.

44:07

And it was kind of

44:09

like it became a bit of a symbolism

44:13

or like an archetype of what a werewolf

44:15

should be in stories. And because

44:17

this story was like, oh, he was so loyal

44:19

to the king and he was blah, blah, blah.

44:22

Werewolves originally from

44:25

the beginning were given this storyline

44:27

of like they're this innocent victim of

44:29

women yikes. Oh, he's like a victim,

44:31

yeah. And cursed, but

44:33

he's still noble and he means well.

44:37

And then in the end he wins. He

44:39

gets his line back. And

44:41

then he wins. As centuries

44:43

pass, though, with witchcraft,

44:46

witchcraft, hysteria, and like

44:48

these panics spreading through,

44:51

werewolves got nastier reputations,

44:54

especially in the 16th and 17th centuries. France

44:58

experienced their own werewolf panic, similar

45:00

to the witch hysteria, which

45:02

I talked about in I think

45:04

it was episode 109. I think I

45:06

talked about it there, which I'll bring back again

45:08

in a second. Was that like, cantharpy?

45:10

I feel like I remember you. Yeah.

45:13

Wow. Good job. That was where

45:15

that came from. Apparently you did a really

45:17

good presentation that day because I remember. I

45:20

guess so. Yeah. And as you're saying presentation, I'm realizing every

45:22

episode is just a book report, essentially. I know. You were

45:24

like, if I actually had to do a book report, I'm

45:26

like, you realize we kind of do that every week, right?

45:29

We've now noticed that. Yeah,

45:31

yeah, yeah. But

45:34

so there was a werewolf hysteria back in the

45:36

16th, 17th centuries of France. Neighbors were accusing

45:39

each other of being werewolves, especially when there

45:41

was some sort of animal attack in town

45:43

where either a person got hurt or a

45:45

bunch of cattle would be slaughtered. And

45:48

accusations flew like crazy. And like the witch

45:50

trials, some people even would try to call

45:53

out other people for being werewolves just to have the heat taken

45:55

off of them. Sure.

45:58

And also like the witch trials. numbers

46:00

of actual victims were very exaggerated,

46:02

but hundreds were accused, many were

46:04

burned at the stake, as you

46:06

just said, for lycanthropy. And

46:09

I think we did at some point,

46:11

go back and listen to episode 109, everybody,

46:14

because I'm pretty sure lycanthropy comes from,

46:16

like, the root of

46:18

the word has something to do with the moon. I should

46:21

have done my research. Sorry, everybody. Moving on.

46:26

One of the stories that came out of this time

46:29

was this gigantic wolf that

46:31

allegedly terrorized this town called

46:33

Jovodin. Yeah, that's

46:35

the one beast of Jovodin or

46:38

whatever. Yeah. Yes. The beast

46:40

of Jovodin is episode 109. So

46:42

I'm thinking I clumped those stories together.

46:44

I think that's what

46:46

happened because I feel like that was the same episode.

46:51

Etymology of lycanthropy. That's why I'm being

46:53

so quiet. I'm sorry. It's Greek from

46:55

the word lulos, or sorry, lukos, which

46:57

means wolf. And

47:01

anthrope is like a person. I

47:03

thought moon was involved in it somehow. Or

47:05

I think that's like lunacy

47:08

is the word that came from the

47:10

werewolf. There's also the

47:12

word lunacy had to do, I think, with werewolves

47:14

as well. I'm

47:17

totally, I have no information on this. I

47:19

will sound just beyond stupid. But wasn't

47:21

there something also with like one

47:24

of the Harry Potter books when like

47:26

the werewolf teacher, his name

47:28

is similar? Remus Lupin? Remus

47:31

Lupin. Do one of them have to do with

47:33

Lupin? I feel like dog. Okay,

47:35

well, there you have it. Okay. I'm

47:38

not going to go further because it's just going to, it's

47:41

just going to evolve even worse. But

47:44

anyway, episode 109, if you would like a breakdown

47:46

of the beast of Jovodin, I remember that being

47:48

a really good one. And it was like

47:51

it was I remember there being like, multiple

47:53

counts people all like what?

47:56

lupus. Sorry, it's like lupine lupus

47:58

means wolf or dog. Okay,

48:01

okay. I'm glad memory

48:03

served 1% that day. I took

48:06

a lot of Latin class in middle school and

48:08

I've tried to block most of it

48:10

out but sometimes it shows up. Una

48:12

spectora es un puella nomine cornella.

48:15

Puella nomine cornella agricola.

48:19

You know, one time I tried to buy you

48:21

that textbook for Christmas. Oh my god, I

48:23

would. Do you know that I can probably

48:26

go to either one of our dining room tables, take a

48:28

crayon and a piece of paper and sketch

48:30

out the entire text of that fucking app. Cornelia

48:32

is written down somewhere on that table. I can't

48:35

stand it. She lives somewhere on both of our

48:37

tables. There's no way she doesn't. But

48:40

I tried to buy you the textbook and I

48:42

thought because when I had that

48:44

textbook, when I was 11, which was

48:46

like what, 2003 or something, that

48:50

even then it was an old textbook. So I was

48:52

like surely this textbook is not the price of a

48:54

normal fucking expensive ass textbook. The book

48:56

I tried to get you with Cornelia on

48:58

the front, it was like $150. Okay, well, you

49:02

know that nothing gets thrown away at my mom's house,

49:04

right or my house. So I definitely still have it.

49:06

So I will be selling it probably for $150 if

49:09

that's the going rate happily. Or

49:14

you could just send it to me and we can call

49:16

your Venmo balance a zero out of zero. Oh,

49:18

is it? Do you think you've sent me so many

49:20

cents that it would add up to $150? Hey,

49:24

girl, I'm fucking about to. So, you know, okay,

49:26

fair point. Yeah. Okay. And I'll write it

49:28

in Latin. How about that? Oh, fucking my

49:30

comment will be in Latin. You try, you

49:32

like and throat. You

49:35

try your, you try your darn

49:37

best. Hold them. Hold them up.

49:40

Cordelia. Okay. Anyway,

49:43

we're on earth. Were we? So, oh,

49:46

Bisa Jovar. That was a

49:48

great episode. I remember there being like people like competing

49:50

with each other to like, like be

49:53

the one to save everybody

49:56

by killing the beast of Jovar capture him. So So

50:01

during this time, because I

50:04

guess they thought that this this must be like

50:06

a real beast compared to the other werewolves we've

50:08

been freaking out about. Right.

50:11

There were like the victims were

50:13

mutilated a lot worse than any

50:16

other wolf attack. At

50:18

the time there was like a hundred wolves that were

50:20

killed in pursuit of trying to like get the beast,

50:22

get the one. And

50:25

then they just come in, like they just

50:27

looked at the wolf and were like, nope, just another wolf. Like

50:30

how did they decide they were going to find out? Like it

50:32

would transform back. Well, this is

50:34

me trying to like remember something

50:36

from 200 conversations ago, but I

50:38

think that because the

50:40

attacks were so violent and a lot of

50:42

the victims weren't even eaten after the fact,

50:45

which is what a normal wolf would do, they

50:47

were looking for like an abnormal wolf. Okay,

50:50

so when they found when they killed a normal

50:52

wolf, they were like, oh, this

50:54

one doesn't look like. Okay, gotcha. Gotcha.

50:56

Gotcha. I don't know. He's too normal.

51:00

Even the king like appointed hunters to track down

51:02

the beast, which again, can you imagine like King

51:04

Charles being like, we need werewolf

51:06

hunters right now. We need them. Yeah,

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53:21

there was. A huge Werewolf. Assyria. At

53:23

some point so it really became murdered

53:25

in their history. That way And

53:27

then when France began colonizing what

53:29

would later be Canada, they brought

53:32

over several stories of another French

53:34

werewolf named Look the Loo Guru

53:36

Lugar route with an El Lugar

53:39

room. And.

53:42

As the story was

53:44

brought over. It

53:46

Lugar Eu has slowly over time

53:49

become more and more Catholic or

53:51

like the morals to the story,

53:53

have become more catholic. I have

53:56

an allegory. is the right

53:58

word said the way to say it an allegory like a

54:00

symbolic. Like a

54:03

teaching moment. Yeah, yes,

54:05

a cautionary tale, if you will. And

54:09

basically, a lugaru is a

54:11

werewolf that you could be

54:13

cursed into, similar to even

54:16

that poem from forever ago. But

54:20

as time went on and this story became

54:22

more religious, the story turned into, you will

54:24

be cursed into a lugaru if you

54:26

fail to act like

54:28

a Christian or go

54:31

to Easter lives 10% to the

54:33

church or whatever. Exactly, exactly. You

54:36

could become a lugaru if you did not

54:38

go to Christmas Eve, Midnight Mass. You could be

54:40

a lugaru if you mocked priests, if you didn't

54:42

tithe, if you, now you're gonna have to explain

54:44

this one to me, failed to

54:46

put your finger in the batismal font.

54:49

Uh-huh, this. What? This.

54:53

Oh, you know, when we walk into a

54:55

church, not we, we don't do that, but when

54:57

one walks into a church and

54:59

then there's the holy water and you do

55:02

a sign across. You do a

55:04

little piggy dippin'. You put your finger

55:06

in and sign across. You never seen that? Okay.

55:09

I've seen it. I do appreciate you doing it 12

55:11

times though. I don't know. It

55:13

felt like I had to keep going.

55:15

I have, as you know, obsessive compulsive

55:17

disorder and yeah, religion

55:19

sure plays part. That's one thing we've already talked about

55:22

in therapy. So you know what? I'm ready. I'm

55:24

ready for it all. See, my first thought

55:26

was, and this by the way, might just turn

55:28

into a bit of a tangent. Sorry about that.

55:31

But I heard batismal, baptismal font and I thought

55:33

there's a font. Like, is it like

55:35

written on the church? In which

55:37

case, Papyrus for sure. I

55:39

was gonna say, no, that's Satan's church

55:41

is Papyrus. No, that's Comic

55:43

Sans and Curls MT. I don't know. I

55:46

can't help you here, friend. In

55:48

my mind, they're in binders and they're all

55:50

very, that's the only organized part of

55:52

my brain. I was gonna say,

55:54

as someone who was the in-house

55:57

font expert, you

56:00

think, oh first of all, what do you think the

56:02

closest font is when you look at a church and

56:04

you see like church font, what do you think it

56:06

actually is font-wise? And

56:10

then if you could change it, what would it be?

56:14

Okay, I mean I think it would be really

56:16

fun to play around with like, with

56:19

like a little, a

56:21

little curls empty just to fuck with everybody,

56:24

but you know, like

56:26

just the on end at the end, you

56:28

know? Yeah, just like, like a little silly,

56:30

you know? Just

56:32

a little silly, but I would

56:34

say like maybe, uh-oh. Oh,

56:38

I asked, sorry, scared to, thank

56:40

God you can't hear my computer. I actually clicked

56:42

something called best church fonts

56:44

2021 and a YouTube video started

56:46

playing and he just screamed. In

56:49

this video, I'm gonna be showing you

56:51

and it scared me out of my absolute. YouTube

56:54

has a video about every goddamn thing. Outrageous.

56:56

And it auto plays so loud. Anyway,

56:58

I would say like, what about like

57:01

an, like an impact?

57:03

I don't know. Or like, I

57:06

don't know. I mean at times New Roman seems

57:08

like two on the nose, but what about

57:10

like a copper, what's it called? Copper plate?

57:12

Oh, copper, copper plate, a copperhead. Copper plate,

57:14

that's a good one. Or

57:17

engraving or whatever it's called. Yeah, I feel like

57:19

copper plate is a really good one. Just

57:21

to fuck with everyone, a Wing-Dings wouldn't

57:23

hurt anyone. Now that would be some

57:25

Dan Brown shit. Right there. Some, some

57:28

fucking, uh, that's my book report. I'm

57:30

going to write a book report on,

57:33

uh, what's that book that he wrote? The

57:35

Da Vinci Code. Yeah, thank you. Uh,

57:38

that's some Da Vinci Code shit. Everything's in Wing-Dings.

57:41

I'm loving it. I think

57:43

so. I mean, that might be like, I

57:45

guess hieroglyphics. We could that if

57:47

we're doing a very neighboring

57:49

conversation, we could be like, what would this

57:52

font be? Right. Like symbols. Yeah. Yeah.

57:54

And I guess symbols are actually something that people are

57:57

Desperately trying to decode. right?

58:01

For the for the Christian church just for fun. let's

58:04

throwing thing on like one of the walls and

58:06

see what happens. You know I think it'll be hilarious.

58:08

Personally, Speaking. Great. For

58:10

apparently if you don't, Do. A

58:12

little piggy dip and and the piggy pond. you could

58:15

become a liberal. Aware. Martin

58:17

told I'd all the stuff. Oh

58:19

no. So. Over. Time the

58:21

Lugar became as I said, a cautionary tale about

58:23

a bad thing. The church and none

58:25

of the lifestyle. Of the Europeans

58:28

who were moving in and

58:30

that very quickly also morphed

58:32

into if you don't follow.

58:35

Isis. The Lives of. The.

58:37

If you're just. Follow the church. but if you don't follow

58:39

our way of things and you are. Yeah.

58:42

So wild. Savage Guy: Cool Cool

58:44

cool cool cool. So.

58:48

It very quickly became like this: This.

58:51

Cautionary: Tale of like how to be

58:53

vs being some like. Wild.

58:55

Person just like and. Causing.

58:58

Chaos And and not going to happen.

59:01

And like why would you ever want to be

59:03

that way Yeah, yeah, I know. yeah. And of

59:05

course this is as the. Fringes colonizing the

59:07

lands. Yeah, yeah, so it's all

59:10

terrible. The

59:12

Lugar rule was. Also seen

59:14

as a werewolf for the most part but

59:16

sometimes was seen as a horse and sometimes

59:18

was seen as just a very big dog

59:21

with bread for I do know one of

59:23

those. His name is Clifford and love. Them.

59:26

Saying maybe he's just a big dirty center.

59:29

I'm who we knew that already Are

59:31

you could just stampeding through a town?

59:33

Yeah things as other under advertised the

59:35

center's. Life success I would. Everyone here's

59:38

your homework for the day by the

59:40

way, person per game. Of magnitude.

59:42

Ah, I. Need you to go watch

59:44

with Liotta An episode of Quiver. The big red

59:47

Dog and imagine that he is actually

59:49

a curse Christian who then ties and

59:51

just a just have that mindset going

59:53

into the show and then watch the

59:55

story line be completely different for you.

59:57

Okay, I swear to God this.

1:00:00

when I was little, I still have this, I

1:00:02

had the flu and I was home sick and

1:00:04

I, my stepmom, I was at my dad's house

1:00:06

and so my stepmom like wheeled an old ass

1:00:08

TV from like 1985 into

1:00:10

my bedroom and like brought me soup

1:00:13

and I watched all that they had

1:00:15

was for some reason because

1:00:17

the satellite, we had satellite or something

1:00:19

and so this TV only had PBS

1:00:21

and so I remember I was like

1:00:23

13 and just watching like back to

1:00:26

back episodes of Clifford with a high

1:00:28

fever and I wrote in my journal

1:00:30

like this show, there's something wrong with

1:00:32

this show, like I like took it

1:00:34

and somehow internalized it and I was

1:00:36

like this mutant dog and nobody thinks

1:00:39

it's weird that this giant thought like

1:00:41

I went, I needed a

1:00:43

hobby in that moment besides

1:00:45

journaling and watching PBS kids but anyway so

1:00:47

I do have quite a storied past with

1:00:49

that show already. It does make

1:00:51

sense why he's so desperate to do a

1:00:54

good deed all of a sudden at the

1:00:56

end of every episode maybe it's because he

1:00:58

knows that he needs to repent for

1:01:00

his filthy ways. It makes sense why he's

1:01:02

always putting socks and shoes on and pants

1:01:04

and underwear and he's trying to get back

1:01:06

to his humanity you know. Again

1:01:08

if we're just gonna use me as the only

1:01:11

source whether or not it's credible we could

1:01:13

just say that like maybe he was a big

1:01:15

fat homosexual and they said, yikes

1:01:18

you're a dog, you're a wild

1:01:20

animal and you're gonna actually

1:01:22

start your own show though but but

1:01:24

you know it's gonna take a while for things

1:01:26

to turn around. We don't know why

1:01:28

you got so giant though I guess.

1:01:31

It's so everyone could stare at

1:01:33

you because you're a sore on the community. I

1:01:35

think that was where we went. Wow we should

1:01:37

go back into tv writing. I

1:01:39

don't think so. I can

1:01:41

confidently say I don't think that'll go very well. You

1:01:45

know how like there's like the Riverdale version of like

1:01:48

we should we should do the Riverdale version of Clifford

1:01:50

the big red dog. Oh Christ yeah

1:01:52

that's what the world needs I'm sure. Okay well

1:01:54

you let me know you get back to me

1:01:56

when the answer is. Oh yeah

1:01:59

I'll think about it. Well, so

1:02:01

apparently you could be a werewolf, a big horse,

1:02:03

you could be Clifford, and you are

1:02:05

also known to have big black eyes that

1:02:07

glow red like burning coals. You can stand

1:02:09

up on your hind legs and walk around.

1:02:11

Now imagine if Clifford did that. Oh, for

1:02:14

Godzilla. That's

1:02:16

called Godzilla literally. And

1:02:19

that has thought in the name, so I can

1:02:21

explain that to me is what I have to

1:02:23

say. Christine, we have to go back into

1:02:25

TV writing. You simply exist. You're right. It's

1:02:28

a solid yes for me. You've changed my mind. So

1:02:31

during the day a Lugaru walks

1:02:34

around as a human. Okay, so we were wrong

1:02:36

about everything we just said. Great. During

1:02:39

the day, the Lugaru can walk around as a human amongst

1:02:41

its neighbors who are totally unaware that apparently

1:02:43

you shift into one of these creatures later.

1:02:46

At night, this is when you become this big

1:02:49

violent beast who will kill even your own friends.

1:02:51

Well, again, very symbolic. So if you leave the church,

1:02:53

then you can abandon everyone you've ever known and

1:02:56

loved because you're a wild animal. Right.

1:02:59

Yeah, no morals. No moral

1:03:01

compass. However,

1:03:04

unlike other werewolves, Lugarus

1:03:06

can be cured. Can

1:03:09

you guess what the cure is? A

1:03:12

little dip in the baptismal font, perhaps?

1:03:15

Uh-huh. Yeah, it's

1:03:17

symbolically finding God because

1:03:21

the literal cure to a Lugaru

1:03:23

is spilling a few drops of their

1:03:26

blood. Very Catholic sacrificey.

1:03:29

Sure. But you cannot kill

1:03:31

the Lugaru because then you're also killing the

1:03:33

Christian within them. Yikes. Whoa.

1:03:37

That's deep. As a 12-year-old,

1:03:39

I would have been like, whoa, that's

1:03:42

crazy. That's so metal. So

1:03:45

the challenge is to get close enough to a

1:03:48

Lugaru to draw its blood without getting hurt

1:03:50

yourself while also not killing it. And

1:03:54

if you do that, you can then save

1:03:57

the Lugaru. Right. Right.

1:04:00

So we're just getting into colonizing

1:04:02

and converting people to

1:04:05

your church. It's almost as if you

1:04:07

picked up on that real quick love. Just tell me

1:04:09

I did a good job so I can

1:04:11

internally cry. I'll text Leona, she'll do

1:04:14

it for me. Yeah, thank you. That

1:04:16

way it feels more precious instead

1:04:18

of condescending. Thank you. Yeah. So

1:04:20

in some versions, it's even best

1:04:22

to dip your weapon in holy

1:04:25

water before hurting them to

1:04:29

ensure that the curing of the

1:04:31

Lougoureux actually happens. Sure

1:04:33

thing. And I can imagine at

1:04:35

this time, and maybe even to some people

1:04:38

in this time, it's a very slippery slope

1:04:40

where now if you see a person acting

1:04:42

without a moral compass, you could think they're

1:04:44

on their way to becoming a Lougoureux, and all

1:04:46

they need is Jesus to save them. You just

1:04:48

need to be saved. Yeah, it's a very scary

1:04:51

concept. So this

1:04:53

folklore ended up changing up again as it

1:04:55

got passed down to other areas that the

1:04:57

French moved to. And so that

1:04:59

was when they were in

1:05:02

Canada. And now the French that are

1:05:04

moving into like the deep south of

1:05:06

the US, or islands like Haiti, they're

1:05:08

bringing their stories with them and it's

1:05:10

morphing even more. So this is where

1:05:12

the Lougoureux gets mixed in with voodoo

1:05:14

traditions, because now they're heading towards Louisiana.

1:05:17

Okay. And by the

1:05:19

1700s, the Lougoureux was becoming more

1:05:22

synonymous with Cajun culture, and its

1:05:24

name because the L in that

1:05:27

dialect kind of sounds more like an

1:05:29

R. The Lougoureux became the Rougoureux. Okay,

1:05:32

how interesting. So in

1:05:34

Louisiana, specifically, the Rougoureux

1:05:38

throughout the stories morphed into a creature

1:05:40

that made more sense with the area.

1:05:42

And so it became more of a

1:05:44

werewolf that lives amongst the wetlands. Oh,

1:05:48

okay. And so it appears at

1:05:50

night, many people say that, unlike

1:05:53

normal werewolves, the Rougoureux is actually

1:05:55

conscious the entire time of who they are

1:05:57

and what they're doing, and can morph at will.

1:06:00

So it's more of a shape shifter than

1:06:02

just a determined by

1:06:04

the time of a little

1:06:06

skinwalker ish. It does. Yeah.

1:06:10

And over time, this lore also mixed

1:06:12

with other lores that was that were

1:06:14

traveling through the area like witch

1:06:16

owls and other shape shifters and

1:06:18

soon the rue guru became this being that

1:06:20

can work not just into a wolf but

1:06:22

any swamp animal. And

1:06:25

so that's how it became like the swamp werewolf where

1:06:28

it's technically a werewolf that can

1:06:30

be an alligator for all you know. So

1:06:34

one story actually that got

1:06:36

passed through is that someone was driving by a swamp

1:06:39

at night and hit a cow and when they went

1:06:41

to check on the cow, a human was limping away.

1:06:44

Which like yikes. Imagine if it was just a human the whole

1:06:46

time and they just you're like, I hit that cow.

1:06:48

Excuse me. A big

1:06:50

fat cow. You broke my fucking leg you asshole. And

1:06:53

now you're calling me a cow from your car. Yeah you

1:06:55

call me cow like right. It's like cherry on top. Thank

1:06:57

you. And since you think I'm a

1:06:59

mystical creature not even gonna offer me a ride to the

1:07:01

hospital. Thank you. So

1:07:05

rue gurus are able to be cured in

1:07:07

the same way as Lou gurus. But

1:07:10

there is a price for the

1:07:12

hero. So this feels even more

1:07:14

like oh you have to be

1:07:16

the savior. You have to sacrifice something for another.

1:07:21

But if you're to draw the blood from a

1:07:23

rue guru you yourself become a

1:07:25

rue guru for a hundred and one days.

1:07:30

Which like why would anyone save anyone then? What's

1:07:32

the point of that? If

1:07:35

I found out you were a rue guru and

1:07:37

I could save you as long as I took

1:07:39

your place for a hundred and one days

1:07:41

I'd be like Christine I'll see you in

1:07:43

a hundred days. That sounds bad. That sounds

1:07:45

bad. And then I want to

1:07:47

be tasked with you having no. Now I

1:07:49

have to fucking stab you. You already

1:07:52

stabbed me. Well so here's the other thing

1:07:54

though. Here's the other thing. If you

1:07:57

become one and you tell nobody. You

1:08:00

just live with the burden. Then

1:08:03

the curse will be lifted for everybody. But if you

1:08:05

tell someone, so like if I come to you and

1:08:07

I bitch about it, and I'm like, Oh, day 53

1:08:09

of being a rubaroo, I want to just end

1:08:12

this. This is terrible. Your

1:08:14

curse is not only lifted or not only

1:08:17

not lifted. You stay one forever.

1:08:19

And the person you told becomes one.

1:08:23

You know how fast I would just stab you with a

1:08:25

fork. Like if you said that to me, you'd

1:08:27

ruined it. I literally

1:08:29

it's like and also so counterintuitive because

1:08:31

if the point of becoming one was

1:08:33

to save somebody from the misery, but

1:08:35

now you're actually causing someone the misery.

1:08:37

So many fucking, what

1:08:40

do you call it? Like traps in

1:08:42

a contract, you know, like a mental

1:08:44

abuse of like, don't complain about your

1:08:47

burdens. Yeah. They'll try

1:08:49

to alleviate others and take on their

1:08:51

burdens and then don't tell others about

1:08:53

them. And then just feel like silence.

1:08:56

Yeah. Yeah. I don't like the,

1:08:58

I don't like it one bit. Other

1:09:01

ways to become a rubaroo in Louisiana

1:09:03

folklore is to violate Catholic

1:09:05

customs, much like the Louberu

1:09:07

curse. And some people have

1:09:09

said that they remember even being warned

1:09:11

growing up that if they broke the

1:09:13

rules during Lent, they'd become a rubaroo.

1:09:17

And if a rubaroo is

1:09:19

chasing you, this is where I

1:09:21

think maybe, um, like how you

1:09:23

mentioned earlier in new Orleans, there's like the

1:09:26

combined werewolf vampire tour we went on. Right.

1:09:28

Right. I think their stories kind of bleed

1:09:30

into each other because once

1:09:32

it lands in Louisiana, uh, this

1:09:36

other additive comes through where if

1:09:38

a rubaroo is chasing you, you can throw 13 objects

1:09:41

on the ground and like a vampire, they will

1:09:44

have to stop and count the items. But since

1:09:46

they can only count to 12, if

1:09:48

you throw 13 on the ground, they will spend all

1:09:50

night, like on a loop trying to count and then

1:09:53

you save yourself from the attack. What

1:09:56

the fuck? That's apparently a thing with

1:09:58

a lot of vampire stories. where they can only count

1:10:01

to 12 so if you leave 13 somewhere then they stay

1:10:03

in this like paradox you're trying to count. That is just

1:10:05

so odd. And

1:10:08

it bleeds into Rougarou lore as well so.

1:10:10

I just like I wonder I mean 13

1:10:13

is such a symbolic number do you think they

1:10:15

just said oh they can't count to 13. Yeah

1:10:19

it makes just about as much sense to me

1:10:21

as everything else. Oh let me just make

1:10:24

up a rule I don't know. Well they like the

1:10:26

full dozen but a baker's oven?

1:10:32

Something about 13. Yeah yeah

1:10:35

okay so the creature is still a

1:10:37

part of multiple cultures in Canada, Louisiana,

1:10:40

islands like Haiti and its name has

1:10:42

even become a nickname for people who

1:10:44

stay up late causing trouble which is

1:10:46

me. I'm a little rude. Yeah sure

1:10:49

is. And

1:10:51

nowadays the Rougarou which is officially like

1:10:53

a wetlands creature is like known to

1:10:56

be like a cryptid of the wetlands.

1:10:59

It's also at least in Louisiana is

1:11:01

a mascot for wetland preservation and

1:11:04

they have the Rougarou festival which

1:11:07

this year by the way is

1:11:09

in October and it raises funds

1:11:11

for Louisiana's disappearing swamps and it

1:11:13

turned him into an environmental champion

1:11:16

all right. I love that. And

1:11:18

I looked at the festival for anybody who's nearby

1:11:20

or going to be in New Orleans and or

1:11:23

I don't think it's in New Orleans it's a

1:11:25

town I don't know it's in Louisiana I don't think

1:11:27

it's New Orleans though but

1:11:30

if you're interested in going this year the

1:11:33

festival will have a parade

1:11:35

hot air balloon rides a

1:11:38

howling contest pumpkin lighting and

1:11:40

an outdoor viewing of ghostbusters

1:11:43

and others.

1:11:46

Our dance card is getting so full this year

1:11:48

and like the number of festivals that we have

1:11:50

like the horseradish fast like we have signed up

1:11:52

in mentally at least for so many fucking festivals

1:11:54

we got to get this on

1:11:57

the calendar stat. Every day there's a

1:11:59

new thing to say. celebrate and sometimes you

1:12:01

didn't even know it existed. Others

1:12:04

still believe that the ruguru is very real.

1:12:06

There are still many sightings of the ruguru

1:12:09

throughout the swamps at night. And,

1:12:12

uh, plenty of them are said

1:12:14

to still be out there. So, you know, look out

1:12:16

if you see a werewolf or really any animal,

1:12:18

apparently by the wetlands, you

1:12:21

can now blame it on maybe running

1:12:23

into a ruguru. Okay.

1:12:26

How do you spell ruguru? Like if we want

1:12:28

to look at that. R-O-U-G-A-R-O-U. I

1:12:33

love that. Oh God. It's, oh no,

1:12:36

it's not scary. Yeah. Most of the

1:12:38

pictures still like make it look definitely

1:12:40

like a werewolf, but, um, and Louisiana

1:12:42

specifically is where it could morph

1:12:45

into anything, it seems.

1:12:48

These are creepy. He's

1:12:50

not as cute as I had hoped. I

1:12:53

would like them to morph into something

1:12:56

cuter. They're apparently able to. So, all

1:12:58

right. I would hope so. If

1:13:01

I were a shape shifter, I

1:13:04

feel like I would use it for

1:13:07

to look cuter all the time. And

1:13:10

then I take back all

1:13:12

the time because when I'm walking on the street alone

1:13:14

at night, I would want to look like the

1:13:16

nastiest, creepiest, scariest fucking thing in the

1:13:18

world. I mean, let me send you a

1:13:20

picture. This is how I picture you. Is

1:13:22

it just a picture of my fucking face? Christine, what?

1:13:25

No. Well, yeah, it is a

1:13:27

picture of your fucking face. It's actually a picture of your whole

1:13:30

body. I don't

1:13:33

even know what's going on. I resent it though.

1:13:35

Whatever you're about to do. I think,

1:13:38

Oh my God. Yeah. Well, that's how I

1:13:40

would want to look, um, at

1:13:43

night when I'm walking back from the club. Good

1:13:45

news. Shut up.

1:13:48

Don't change a thing. See

1:13:51

that's what Clifford was trying to go for.

1:13:53

And, uh, he only like made more. I

1:13:56

was trauma. I seem to have

1:13:58

been traumatized. By Clifford's appearance

1:14:01

as a 12 year old with a fever. So

1:14:03

apparently it works Also, here's my

1:14:05

question about Clifford because I've always wanted to know

1:14:07

or really any very large creature when

1:14:10

they're talking Like they can't keep

1:14:12

a secret. They certainly can't whisper one because the

1:14:14

whole town's gonna hear it like if

1:14:17

you're talking at a normal conversational

1:14:20

level Are

1:14:23

and they're talking to you if you're looking at the Clifford or

1:14:25

the incredible Hulk or whoever it is Obviously, I thought about this

1:14:27

with the Incredible Hulk like They're

1:14:30

talking to you in a normal conversational voice Do

1:14:33

they have to actively whisper? So

1:14:35

it sounds conversational to us or

1:14:37

is there? because

1:14:40

they're Vocal

1:14:42

chords are so much bigger. I guess

1:14:44

so or like cuz their voice is so booming and like

1:14:46

physically like they're all the way up there it's like I

1:14:50

Feel like their voice is just

1:14:52

bellowing throughout the town when they're not even

1:14:54

trying to know because isn't there a

1:14:56

whole thing? Clifford can't can only speak

1:14:58

to Emily Elizabeth like he can't

1:15:01

speak to other people You

1:15:04

can speak to his other puppy for dogs.

1:15:06

Yeah, so they're probably barking Can

1:15:08

you imagine Clifford being your neighborhood dog

1:15:11

and that bark every morning? Big

1:15:21

red dog fucking the HOA. Okay.

1:15:24

Here we go. Clifford the big red dog spoilers

1:15:26

Okay, I can't I can't I need to get off

1:15:29

reddit. This is not good. Nothing cooler that he's

1:15:31

a dog No, I mean, I'm not gonna

1:15:33

spoil it for everyone but

1:15:36

I but I do wonder I'm like

1:15:38

is his bark a Normal

1:15:41

level for our ears or do you have

1:15:43

to like cover your ears when like he

1:15:46

when he's talking to you? I don't know This

1:15:49

is like the wildest shit I've stopped

1:15:51

listening to our podcast because this person

1:15:53

thinks that there's a fan this person's

1:15:56

fan theory is that Clifford is actually

1:15:59

symbolic of anti-depressants? Well

1:16:03

Winnie the Pooh is right? They're like all

1:16:05

different mental health issues? They

1:16:07

are not being ironic or kidding

1:16:09

because people definitely asked in the comments and

1:16:11

they were like no. Oh

1:16:14

okay. So spoiler

1:16:16

alert. I

1:16:18

only know about your own fan theory

1:16:20

right? Like you can't be like this

1:16:22

is spoiler he represents like it's not

1:16:24

spoiler. I knew

1:16:26

about the Winnie the Pooh one that one makes sense to

1:16:28

me that they're all like a different mental health thing.

1:16:31

But then I heard the seven like Snow

1:16:34

White and the Seven Dwarves one

1:16:36

and apparently all seven of them

1:16:38

are like different side

1:16:41

effects of like cocaine or something like there was

1:16:43

some wild ones I would hear. That sounds like

1:16:45

some 90s bullshit. Well I feel like because I

1:16:47

mean that story was written like hundreds

1:16:49

of years ago so I'm like I don't

1:16:53

think that they were writing it like. I don't

1:16:56

think they were either but I definitely believe that it's

1:16:58

well in there something or or

1:17:01

I don't know it was definitely like their propaganda

1:17:03

it was sure is you will be

1:17:07

like easy

1:17:10

you will be so drowsy wait what

1:17:12

yeah so it's a grim brother's

1:17:15

grim story and I I mean maybe they were

1:17:17

on cocaine but I don't know I don't

1:17:19

know I mean they were drinking like normal tea

1:17:22

which had cocaine back then so I don't think

1:17:24

they were aware of how much cocaine was in

1:17:26

their body at the time yeah yeah

1:17:28

yeah yeah anyway that's the Ruger room

1:17:31

good job thank you get

1:17:34

it okay uh let's

1:17:36

see I guess I should find my

1:17:38

notes can

1:17:41

I let you out real quick he's yes complaining

1:17:45

while Christine isn't here she texted

1:17:47

me earlier and she said if

1:17:50

you died I would write the bitchiest eulogy

1:17:52

and I

1:17:54

was like it was

1:17:56

only half prompted it was prompted

1:17:58

because he said If

1:18:01

I die today, you will only have these screenshots

1:18:03

and I will look like a basket case. And

1:18:05

I'm like, yeah, and I will put them in

1:18:08

a slideshow and play it at your funeral and be

1:18:10

like, one time Em told me I had

1:18:12

a dull ass personality on the day of my most

1:18:15

intimidating job interview. Yeah, Em is

1:18:17

a basket case. RIP. I feel like

1:18:19

if you if you're going to put all of the things

1:18:21

that I ever sent you and like a, you know, like,

1:18:23

like a funeral when it's like someone you pick

1:18:25

music and there's like a slideshow. I sure

1:18:27

do. I've already built it in my mind.

1:18:30

Yep. As long as you

1:18:32

put like fun little like emojis that make

1:18:34

it like silly goofy like you put like

1:18:36

the little hearts, the two little pink

1:18:38

hearts that are swirling together or like the

1:18:40

three little stars just to make it

1:18:42

sound like it was

1:18:44

meant to be like a little

1:18:47

fat in the text about the eulogy.

1:18:49

And you seem to know if you repeat

1:18:51

that energy, I'm down for sure. Okay. All

1:18:54

right. Cool. I'm not going

1:18:56

to be saying that to me weirdly on Snapchat. So

1:18:59

that's hot. But well, I

1:19:01

guess I can't. I can't.

1:19:04

I was five years ago. That was that was I don't know.

1:19:07

I tell you. Why are you saving

1:19:09

things from five years ago? I

1:19:11

don't know. I was I literally have no idea. I was

1:19:13

going back for B.C. Sandy.

1:19:16

I needed to find a photo of me from like 2000

1:19:18

whatever 1718. And

1:19:21

I'm like, what is this weird screenshot? I

1:19:25

save everything. How many pictures do you have in your

1:19:27

phone right now? Like if you look at all a lot, do you want to know for

1:19:29

real? Yeah, because I

1:19:31

also have a lot. I

1:19:33

actually one of my like personal goals is to like

1:19:36

clear out my photos. There's

1:19:38

no I have. Oh, I want to guess how

1:19:41

many for you. Okay.

1:19:44

How many do you have? How

1:19:47

many do you have? You

1:19:49

guess for me. Okay. How

1:19:52

many do you have? You guess for

1:19:54

me. I

1:19:57

have 56. I have. The

1:20:00

six. Way. Home: What's your number

1:20:02

number? Like with the official one. Fifty Six

1:20:04

Thousand Five Hundred Thirty. Oh,

1:20:07

I've literally million one hundred more than

1:20:09

you. What's. I

1:20:11

have fifty six. Six, five, five, That

1:20:14

is really weird. And

1:20:16

seven hundred twenty five photos right now

1:20:19

to have an animal had an even

1:20:21

number? That's the really we're in which

1:20:23

are saying we're outside as a freaky

1:20:26

coincidence. which is I think it's because.

1:20:28

All my my my travels I think

1:20:30

I take a lot centers on that

1:20:32

novels and you take a lot of

1:20:34

pictures during your mental travels when you

1:20:36

decide to just like reread screenshots from

1:20:38

Tonight and Civil Service A full set.

1:20:41

Up a see I years would be

1:20:43

all like the Poop Cafe and near

1:20:45

fight Censorship mind dislikes me, screenshot and

1:20:47

your texts about the Poop Cafe like

1:20:49

that's our early since episode. Met a.

1:20:53

Man, that's that's a while.

1:20:55

Well. Anyway,

1:20:57

let's okay. I'm ready for you to regaled me.

1:21:00

I'm. I was in earlier. I think I need

1:21:02

to get in the zone and I'm very bizarre

1:21:04

now. Sixty today.

1:21:06

Like what would they taking photos of?

1:21:08

A little sick? A photo of my

1:21:10

therapy others? I. Never take one.

1:21:13

I never take one for I always take at

1:21:15

least three or four and then I forget to

1:21:17

delete the first three. That sucked more. Than the

1:21:19

last one right? I never delay, I like

1:21:21

the sometimes heart one and then leave the

1:21:23

rest So I my goal it is hop

1:21:26

literally so long there was a day it

1:21:28

was last week and or whatever I was

1:21:30

last. Home and I tried to

1:21:32

go through pictures and like delete

1:21:34

I'm. I. Was trying to

1:21:36

get her like twenty nineteen and it's healthy eggs.

1:21:39

Eat out there says heal for Everton

1:21:41

app that picked up his signing about

1:21:43

that lake will grouped together like similar

1:21:45

photos so you can like select one

1:21:47

and it'll moving around. So I would

1:21:49

look into that because I used it

1:21:51

once and it was actually incredibly helpful.

1:21:54

Know her. Britain. Has it like

1:21:56

it makes it less overwhelming, that like

1:21:58

bunches them together. for my. The stupid

1:22:00

thing is I have the thing on my phone where I,

1:22:03

to screenshot, I don't have to press the two buttons on either

1:22:05

side, I just tap the back of my phone. So

1:22:08

anytime that I tap, anytime

1:22:11

that my phone hits the table or something, it

1:22:13

takes a screenshot. So I think like 10,000 of

1:22:15

these are just screenshots of unnecessary things. Yeah,

1:22:17

that I feel like I had that on for

1:22:19

two days and I was like, I'm going to lose my mind. I

1:22:22

cannot, I can't deal with this anymore, especially with your

1:22:24

tapping problem. Exactly. Thank you.

1:22:27

You get it. I'm not going to end well. Okay.

1:22:31

I have a story to you. Hold on. Let

1:22:34

me start over. This is my book report. Am

1:22:38

I failing? Yes. I have

1:22:40

a book report today. This is a

1:22:42

story. This is an Australian story. This

1:22:45

is the story of Malcolm Naden. Okay.

1:22:48

Ready. So it's early 2000s,

1:22:50

January 4th, 2005. 24

1:22:55

year old Letitia Nolan stopped by her grandparents'

1:22:58

house with her four young children. She

1:23:01

told her grandparents she'd only be out for a

1:23:03

little while. She just had a short errand to

1:23:05

run and she left the four kids at their

1:23:07

great grandparents' house and stepped out

1:23:09

into the dark, got in her car and drove away.

1:23:12

At the time her aunt, Margaret Walker

1:23:14

lived next door and Margaret

1:23:17

noticed it was getting dark. It

1:23:19

was getting late and Letitia had

1:23:22

said, oh, I'm just doing a quick

1:23:24

errand and it had been far

1:23:26

too long. And so they started to

1:23:28

get nervous and knew something must be

1:23:31

wrong because Letitia was a doting mother

1:23:33

and would not have just run off

1:23:35

and leave her four kids behind with

1:23:37

no news or a phone call

1:23:39

or something. So

1:23:42

the minutes ticked by and Letitia's

1:23:44

family got more and more worried

1:23:46

and tragically, their

1:23:49

worries were not misplaced

1:23:51

because Letitia never

1:23:53

came home. Letitia's

1:23:56

car was discovered on the banks of a

1:23:58

nearby river, a The and and

1:24:00

and a search of the area found

1:24:03

no evidence of her whatsoever, so they

1:24:05

weren't sure whether she had drowned in

1:24:07

the river or perhaps left on foot

1:24:09

or was taken to a second location

1:24:11

by an abductor. It was unclear what

1:24:13

it happen. There. Were a

1:24:16

handful of reports covering her

1:24:18

disappearance, but I'll a T

1:24:20

shirt was an indigenous Australian

1:24:22

woman and it has been

1:24:24

apparently difficult for sir or

1:24:26

I to find many stories

1:24:28

covering her disappearance in the

1:24:30

news. It's it's it's. an

1:24:32

odd. Saying. I mean, I

1:24:34

think we see this a lot, but it's It's

1:24:36

a situation where. The.

1:24:40

Murderer. Ends

1:24:42

up becoming. You

1:24:44

know, much more famous or infamous in

1:24:46

this case then the victims magnet. the

1:24:48

victim sort of get lost in the

1:24:50

shuffle only mean like it must in

1:24:52

I'm sorry about the guy himself and

1:24:54

so it's just worth noting that they

1:24:56

were. it was it. Much.

1:24:58

Reported when it first happened.

1:25:02

So. As we know, this is

1:25:04

often what happens, especially when women

1:25:06

are indigenous our you know, in

1:25:08

we've covered the. The. Canadians

1:25:11

can. The Canadian

1:25:13

play chess. Jesus Christ the

1:25:15

Canadian plate them missing and murdered

1:25:17

indigenous women and girls. A and

1:25:20

you know seems like this is

1:25:22

this same old same old all

1:25:24

the world. not. Not. Are

1:25:26

shocking. Isn't. So.

1:25:29

Leticia left behind a devoted and devastated

1:25:31

family for young kids all reeling for

1:25:34

answers that seem like they might never

1:25:36

com. And the only lead they had

1:25:38

was this car at the river. There

1:25:40

were no suspects, no path the follow.

1:25:42

I mean I don't even know what

1:25:44

the air and run what that he

1:25:46

was running was so they really had

1:25:49

no avenues to take. It seemed pretty

1:25:51

much hopeless. Until. Six

1:25:53

months past. Six months later.

1:25:56

another woman disappeared from the

1:25:58

same house Oh,

1:26:00

okay. So 24-year-old-

1:26:03

The exact same house? Uh-huh.

1:26:06

Hmm. Okay. Hmm.

1:26:09

24-year-old Kristi Scholes was part of Letitia's

1:26:11

family, and she was described in the

1:26:14

media as the de facto wife of

1:26:16

one of Letitia's cousins. In

1:26:18

Australia, a de facto marriage refers

1:26:20

to a long-term domestic partnership where

1:26:23

the couple maybe not legally married, but they're

1:26:26

still entitled to certain legal rights

1:26:28

that legally married couples have similar

1:26:31

ideas to what we have here, but it's called a

1:26:34

de facto marriage. Cool. So

1:26:37

in June 2005, Kristi – again, she's

1:26:39

24 – she was staying in the

1:26:42

house for the weekend with her two young children while the rest of

1:26:44

the family was out of town. And

1:26:46

just like Letitia, Kristi was a doting

1:26:48

mother, a beloved friend. Letitia's

1:26:51

grandparents were out of

1:26:53

town, and Kristi was staying at the house,

1:26:55

but she felt very uneasy, and she knew

1:26:57

this was the last place Letitia was seen,

1:27:00

and there was just something that was making

1:27:02

her uncomfortable. So she actually called- She had

1:27:04

a gut feeling early on? Yeah, yeah,

1:27:06

yeah. It's like she just – and it

1:27:08

probably had something to do with the fact that

1:27:11

her cousin's – or

1:27:13

I'm sorry, her partner's, her husband's

1:27:17

cousin, Letitia, had vanished from that house

1:27:19

six months earlier. But for

1:27:22

whatever reason, she felt uneasy. She

1:27:25

called a family member around 9.30 p.m.

1:27:27

and expressed that she was feeling a bit

1:27:29

nervous staying there, and that was the last

1:27:31

time she would ever be heard from. So

1:27:36

the next day, one of the

1:27:38

neighbors noticed Kristi's 4-year-old daughter climbing

1:27:40

into the house through a bedroom

1:27:42

window. Apparently, the

1:27:44

4-year-old had cut the screen to

1:27:46

get out of the room and

1:27:50

looked for her mother because she couldn't find

1:27:52

her. Wow. That's so sad. It's horrible.

1:27:55

So the neighbor knocked on

1:27:57

the door. There's no answer. worried

1:28:00

he enters the home, I'm presuming with

1:28:02

a spare key, and finds no sign

1:28:04

of Kristi. Her children

1:28:07

had been stuck in a bedroom that

1:28:09

was locked from the outside. So that

1:28:11

is why they had to climb

1:28:14

out of the screens because they

1:28:16

had been locked in this bedroom. It's

1:28:18

just really scary and sad. So they just

1:28:20

had their way out. It's

1:28:23

also not meant

1:28:26

to be a compliment, but I don't

1:28:28

think I knew that a

1:28:30

four-year-old even had the wherewithal

1:28:33

to think, oh, there's a screen if I

1:28:35

cut it. It gives a sense of almost

1:28:39

figuring things out out of desperation. Yeah,

1:28:42

yeah, yeah. That's a great point.

1:28:45

I can't say what a four-year-old can do. Mine's two.

1:28:49

I'm not trying to say, oh, wow, how smart of her?

1:28:51

It was smart of the four-year-old, but I'm not

1:28:54

trying to make it into a good thing. It's just like,

1:28:56

wow, I don't even know if

1:28:58

I was a four-year-old, if it would

1:29:00

have crossed my mind to be so desperate to

1:29:02

find my mom to cut something

1:29:04

open. You climb out the window. It's

1:29:06

just really sad too because you think if

1:29:09

that was the oldest child, the older sibling,

1:29:11

that she had to make the

1:29:14

decision and climb out the window

1:29:17

on behalf of her sibling. Do something

1:29:19

scary. No four-year-old wants to do that.

1:29:21

Take charge. You're four. It's just always

1:29:24

terrible to me when little kids have

1:29:26

to grow up so fast in

1:29:28

situations like this. Yeah. So,

1:29:31

yeah, tiny four-year-old little

1:29:33

girl, it's horrible. She

1:29:36

had been locked in with her sibling in

1:29:38

this bedroom. Of

1:29:41

course, he lets them out but doesn't see

1:29:43

Christy anywhere, her mother. They say, we went

1:29:45

out to look for her, couldn't find her,

1:29:47

came back through the window. So

1:29:50

the neighbor began making some calls

1:29:52

and said, hey, these two children's

1:29:54

mother is Not here.

1:29:57

They're really small and they're looking for her.

1:30:00

Look At Him. Some family arrived

1:30:02

soon and started a search and

1:30:04

when the whole day basically pass

1:30:06

with no word from her they

1:30:09

notify the police and the police

1:30:11

sent officers and a detective to

1:30:13

the house and they searched the

1:30:15

house for any clues pointing to

1:30:17

wear Chrissy could be A and

1:30:19

they discovered that the guest bedroom

1:30:21

door was locked. From. The inside.

1:30:25

Is of a member of the kids were that's a different room. A.

1:30:27

Different room and or him. That.

1:30:30

One have been locked as well but with now. But.

1:30:33

Had been Not only had been locked from the

1:30:36

outside so that the kids couldn't get out, this

1:30:38

room was locked from the. Inside. Oh

1:30:40

I see. okay. So.

1:30:45

Turns out what he says, cousin thirty

1:30:47

one year old Malcolm Naden was living

1:30:49

in that room temporarily and they kind

1:30:51

of just the family. Just kind of

1:30:53

assumed like a while since the door

1:30:55

was locked, we just assumed he was.

1:30:58

Living. In there I'm. One. Of

1:31:00

his privacy. You know, for

1:31:03

whatever reason. And so they thought. Oh

1:31:05

Chrissy must have left the house. Well

1:31:07

unfortunately once they force access into the

1:31:09

bedroom, there was no Malcolm need to

1:31:12

be found, but there was a pile

1:31:14

of clothing and betting on the floor.

1:31:17

And underneath as pile of clothing was

1:31:19

the body of Christie. Move.

1:31:22

While I saw that coming. But yikes.

1:31:24

Yeah. Yeah, so Chrissy had

1:31:26

passed away seemingly some hours

1:31:28

before, and pretty quickly authorities

1:31:30

suspected that she had been

1:31:32

murdered for obvious reasons, and

1:31:34

the house immediately became. A crime

1:31:36

scene which must have been. To

1:31:39

some like I mean it's horrible to think

1:31:41

like her family was in there all day.

1:31:44

Looking. At her outside the house and

1:31:46

she was inside the house. Or

1:31:48

even the hindsight of the a four

1:31:51

year olds like so desperate to find

1:31:53

their mom they reflect willing to climb

1:31:55

onto a roof and he up and

1:31:57

all this stuff just another she was.

1:32:00

The other room? one bedroom away. Yeah.

1:32:02

Done. Oh. My. God. So.

1:32:05

According to Malcolm's later confession, Christie

1:32:07

had been brushing her teeth in

1:32:09

the bathroom. I mean, this is

1:32:12

like out of a fucking horror

1:32:14

movie when he just came up

1:32:16

right behind her. Grab.

1:32:18

The and strangled her to death. At.

1:32:21

Israel and of a like it it makes a rehab

1:32:23

Let us go say you look in the mirror all

1:32:25

he spit and look up oh my god I mean

1:32:27

it's like. As. Like every

1:32:30

nineties horror movie, but like worse because

1:32:32

it's reality. Yeah, I'm. So.

1:32:35

Apparently. The way he described it

1:32:37

was he took her so by surprise

1:32:40

that there wasn't much of a struggle

1:32:42

and he overtook. He overpowered her pretty

1:32:44

quickly. And.

1:32:47

He. Strangled. Her

1:32:49

to death. Then he brought her body

1:32:51

into his room. Raped.

1:32:53

Her and London for a body. they're

1:32:56

under a pile of clothes. He then

1:32:58

locked the door to the bedroom. And.

1:33:01

Climbed out of a window, A

1:33:03

sorry he wage and she was already dead. Yeah.

1:33:07

I mean. On us better. I.

1:33:10

Just. Know a it

1:33:12

also. I.

1:33:15

Guess Alex. I'll say what he commented

1:33:17

about it. It's. Discuss.

1:33:20

It's sick but he said. After

1:33:24

he explained what he had done, he

1:33:26

said. Because. He figured he would

1:33:28

have one for the road. Oh.

1:33:30

My God. Wow. Okay, yeah

1:33:33

Jesus. Throughout. This there's

1:33:35

this. Complete. And utter callousness

1:33:37

that even he described later where he

1:33:39

says in his second philosophical musings from

1:33:42

prison or whatever where he just as

1:33:44

like you know i really do some

1:33:46

deep diving into my own psyche and

1:33:48

figure out like what's wrong with me

1:33:51

won't get oh man you know he's

1:33:53

I thought that. The. Most intellectual

1:33:55

thing. He could ever write about trade

1:33:57

so. Deep you say like or even have to

1:33:59

do any. work because me thinking that was

1:34:01

as deep as it goes. I think I solved

1:34:03

it. Yeah. Fucking an asshole.

1:34:05

He probably called himself the most empathetic person

1:34:07

in the prison. He

1:34:09

even says like, he actually says the opposite.

1:34:11

He actually says that he

1:34:14

doesn't understand why he doesn't feel

1:34:16

anything after he kills somebody. So

1:34:18

he clearly has

1:34:21

admitted at least

1:34:23

self-diagnosed with psychopathy

1:34:27

or sociopathy. There's some sort of

1:34:29

pathology. He's got some bone on

1:34:31

there. Because he has said he

1:34:33

just feels nothing. Just

1:34:37

a lack of empathy there. So very,

1:34:39

very disturbing. So

1:34:42

anyway, that is how

1:34:44

he had later described it. But at the time,

1:34:46

you know, they just find her body and assume

1:34:48

she has been killed. The

1:34:50

room had been locked from the inside so nobody could walk

1:34:52

in on them. And the

1:34:55

window was open, meaning he had most

1:34:57

likely locked the children into their bedroom

1:34:59

and then locked himself in

1:35:01

with Christy and then escaped out the window.

1:35:04

That's kind of what they've pieced

1:35:06

together at this point. So

1:35:09

this is when authorities receive startling

1:35:11

information, which is that, hmm, how

1:35:13

weird. Another young woman has

1:35:16

disappeared from this exact same property six

1:35:18

months ago. At

1:35:22

the time, they didn't know – at the time

1:35:24

of Letitia's disappearance, they didn't know that a

1:35:26

man named Malcolm Naden had been living there.

1:35:28

So he was never even questioned in relation

1:35:30

to her disappearance. Right, okay. Much

1:35:33

less investigated. And so now

1:35:35

a woman is dead, not just missing, and

1:35:39

in Malcolm's room, and he's gone. So

1:35:41

they're like, oh, God, okay, so we're

1:35:44

nailing a very obvious pattern here all of a

1:35:47

sudden. And pretty immediately, Malcolm Naden

1:35:49

became the key person of interest in

1:35:51

both Christy's murder and Letitia's disappearance. Again,

1:35:54

from under the same fucking roof, like,

1:35:56

ugh. So

1:35:59

the more people – who spoke to investigators

1:36:01

about Malcolm Naden, the more disturbing

1:36:03

the details became. Because even

1:36:05

though his family described him as like a

1:36:08

very good kid to

1:36:10

have had around and described him as

1:36:12

always helping with the dishes and you

1:36:14

know like just being very polite, people

1:36:17

who knew him closely

1:36:20

also tended to describe him as a

1:36:22

creep. Um so

1:36:24

a little bit of a red flag there.

1:36:29

Uh, creep I

1:36:31

think is not strong enough of a word because there

1:36:33

were already existing pending

1:36:36

allegations against him for aggravated

1:36:39

indecent assault against a minor.

1:36:42

And what had happened was

1:36:44

back in 2004 which was

1:36:46

only months before Letitia's disappearance,

1:36:49

he had been staying with a family and

1:36:52

in the middle of the night entered the 12-year-old

1:36:54

daughter's room and molested her

1:36:56

while she slept. And

1:36:59

so those charges were pending

1:37:01

at the time that authorities

1:37:03

kind of pieced together that

1:37:05

he's also involved with Letitia and

1:37:07

Kristy. So

1:37:10

once the allegations came out about

1:37:12

this sexual assault

1:37:14

of this minor, uh he began

1:37:17

spending all his time in his

1:37:19

room at his grandparents house avoiding

1:37:21

everyone. Like he basically became a

1:37:23

shut-in because people

1:37:25

were kind of side-eyeing him like you

1:37:27

did what? Two and a small

1:37:29

child? For sure. Yeah. So

1:37:32

women in his family including Letitia

1:37:34

had received alarming letters from him

1:37:37

and I mean this is, these

1:37:39

are people

1:37:41

in his own family and they're

1:37:44

receiving letters soliciting sex off

1:37:47

like writing like lustful

1:37:50

comments to

1:37:52

girls and women in his family. Just like

1:37:55

really bizarre and disturbing. Again

1:37:57

I think that probably is an understatement

1:38:01

I don't know if

1:38:03

I don't even know if it's

1:38:06

like it's it's probably not worth it I was

1:38:08

gonna say do you know like of any examples

1:38:10

of like what exactly he was saying to them you

1:38:13

know I don't know off I

1:38:15

don't know I mean it really it's maybe not our

1:38:17

business anyway of like you know putting

1:38:20

someone like putting the spotlight directly on

1:38:22

someone compared to everyone else but I

1:38:24

didn't it's like how yeah I do

1:38:26

believe them I just want to know

1:38:28

like how intense and like red

1:38:30

flaggy was this stuff was it like super duper

1:38:32

he was pretty blatantly

1:38:36

asking for sex from Wow okay

1:38:39

female relatives including minors so yeah

1:38:42

it's definitely pretty egregious I think

1:38:46

I will say that there was so I listened

1:38:48

to an episode of true crime island the

1:38:51

podcast and they covered this and

1:38:54

they mentioned a an Australian

1:38:56

broadcast show it reminds me of like

1:38:58

a 2020 or a 60 minutes or something

1:39:02

where they released

1:39:04

these promos that they had gained

1:39:07

access to like hundreds of pages

1:39:09

I think hundreds maybe

1:39:11

dozens of pages of Malcolm

1:39:13

Nadean's confessions like he wrote them all

1:39:16

out and they were gonna reveal them

1:39:18

on the show and the families of

1:39:20

the victims begged this TV station to

1:39:22

not all this and

1:39:24

they did it anyway so okay

1:39:28

yeah so the host that I listened to made a

1:39:30

great point you know of like not

1:39:33

directly quoting that because they add expressly

1:39:37

asked them not to sure share those

1:39:39

details with the public so apparently

1:39:42

those that context does exist somewhere

1:39:44

maybe on like one of these

1:39:47

torrent sites where you can download like shows

1:39:49

from 20 years ago

1:39:51

in other countries but yeah I

1:39:53

don't have the specific okay quotes

1:39:56

and it would also be like from his own perspective so

1:39:58

who knows if he's even Right,

1:40:00

right. That's always a grain of salt anyway, like whether he's

1:40:02

telling the truth or not So

1:40:05

yeah, basically when they talked to the family

1:40:07

the family was like, yeah, he's a huge

1:40:09

creep and like once he got busted It's

1:40:13

actually assaulting a child. We

1:40:15

all were

1:40:17

kind of horrified and that's when he

1:40:20

started shutting himself in and writing us

1:40:22

creepy letters and Basically

1:40:25

not being the normal quote-unquote kid that he was

1:40:28

back in the day And

1:40:30

so Latisha herself had even received some of

1:40:32

these letters before she vanished and Kristie

1:40:35

had received a similar letter and so

1:40:37

it's starting to kind of add up

1:40:40

that I mean no wonder she was

1:40:42

uncomfortable staying there With

1:40:45

this guy in the next room writing her

1:40:47

these letters like geez Of

1:40:49

course, you had a weird feeling Feeling

1:40:54

no doubt why so

1:40:58

If that weren't enough detectives also

1:41:00

discovered some holes in

1:41:02

the ceiling throughout the house and Malcolm

1:41:06

would go up there like out of

1:41:08

another fucking horror movie and watch his

1:41:10

female family members and their friends Dress

1:41:13

and undress shower sleep do

1:41:16

whatever Privacy of their

1:41:18

own rooms. I mean, it's obviously possible

1:41:20

but in my mind I'm like how on earth do

1:41:22

you not hear someone crawling all the way up there and like

1:41:24

how small is this hole that no One else is noticing it,

1:41:26

but he's able to see the whole room, you know Which

1:41:29

like I bet you matter I mean I think

1:41:31

about it like you'd need like this much You

1:41:35

know like you know your eye up to

1:41:37

a teeny tiny little thing Yeah,

1:41:40

you can't see a lot Yeah,

1:41:43

I guess so and I

1:41:45

don't know if maybe his bedroom was upstairs like

1:41:47

who know maybe his bedroom was above a bathroom

1:41:49

I don't know I have no

1:41:51

idea but apparently he had

1:41:54

been spying on them for a long

1:41:56

time. Wow Really

1:41:59

gross really gross He had actually

1:42:01

told them in some of the letters, so I guess

1:42:03

this does kind of answer your question, about

1:42:07

like how egregious or how blatant it was.

1:42:09

He had told some of them in

1:42:11

the letters that he had been watching them

1:42:13

in their house, in their bedrooms. And

1:42:16

I guess they were like, what? Like

1:42:18

that's a creepy thing to say, not thinking like he's

1:42:21

literally watching from the ceiling. Right.

1:42:23

He just means like I would think like, oh, he

1:42:25

was like clocking me from the couch. Like

1:42:28

when I was like a threatening like, oh, I

1:42:31

can watch, I'm watching you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:42:33

But if it was a literal, I am watching

1:42:35

you through a hole in the ceiling. Did he have holes in the

1:42:37

bathroom? I bet he did. I think so.

1:42:39

I think it was throughout the house, which also like, how

1:42:41