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You're getting a very early

1:59

start. I have to get to the clinic. For

2:02

a delivery? Yes, we have supplies coming

2:04

in. Do you have a few minutes? I

2:06

really need to get on the road. Just a few

2:08

minutes, Armand. There's

2:10

an extra raspberry roll in it for you. Hmm.

2:14

Okay. As long as it's quick. I won't keep

2:16

you long, I promise. If you do, you

2:18

owe me more rolls. You've

2:22

been away more than usual the past

2:25

month or so. I'm always

2:27

here this early, and I sometimes

2:29

see that your motorbike is gone. Where

2:32

are you going?

2:32

I sometimes stay at the clinic late.

2:35

I have a cot there. So

2:37

it has nothing to do with the new clinical

2:40

trials that are happening in the hub cities? It

2:42

does, actually. More

2:44

folks are wanting to make sure they're healthy. That

2:47

makes sense. When

2:51

I was at the clinic last, I heard you speaking

2:53

to that woman, Sabreen, in the back room. She

2:57

isn't from another commune, is she? She's

3:00

an insider. I

3:01

knew it was a risk bringing her here. You

3:03

don't have to worry. I don't plan on telling anyone.

3:07

Most people assumed you had a connection to get

3:09

rid of her, but I don't

3:11

believe anyone else realized it was her.

3:13

You're always so observant. It's

3:16

my superpower. Are

3:19

you concerned? Insiders

3:22

can't always be trusted, Arman. Sabreen

3:25

and I have known each other a very long time. I'm

3:27

sure she's a wonderful person, and I'm

3:29

thankful for all she's done for you and the

3:31

clinic. For all of us. For

3:34

all of us. But what I overheard

3:36

at the clinic, and from what I heard when she was here,

3:38

this is going beyond

3:41

helping the community. I'm

3:42

trying to help all communities like ours.

3:45

Are you putting yourself in danger? I

3:48

can take care of myself. I know you can,

3:50

but that won't stop my worrying.

3:54

And please, don't think you have to do this alone. We're

3:56

your family. I know.

4:01

I should get going.

4:06

Be safe. I will. I

4:19

think an opportunity has finally presented itself.

4:22

Okay. Tell me more.

4:25

I found out last night that I'm going to be

4:27

given the Hadia Nicole Creena Ford of Excellence.

4:30

Congratulations. But how does

4:32

that help us? There will be a ceremony.

4:35

It's called the Honor Banquet. It

4:37

is a broadcast event. Never heard of

4:39

it. It's only on the limits phase.

4:42

Of course it is. Not

4:45

only is it broadcast, it's live. Are

4:47

you giving a speech? I

4:49

am.

4:50

Is this the smartest approach, Severine? You

4:53

said you would help me if I was willing to take big risks.

4:56

This is the big risk. But it's

4:58

also the best bet. Does Theo even have the hard evidence

5:00

you need yet? She'll have it.

5:03

So you're banking on

5:04

Theo getting what you need by when? When

5:06

is the bank going to be here? I don't know what

5:08

you think a best bet is, but it's

5:10

not this. It's a live event, Arman. They can't stop me.

5:14

They can cut off your mic, in the feed,

5:16

arrest you. Nonsense. I'd get out enough words before they

5:18

had the chance to do anything. I'm

5:21

not sure. I'm

5:23

not sure. I'm

5:25

not sure. I'm not sure.

5:27

I'm not sure.

5:31

I'm not sure. I'm

5:33

not sure. I'd get

5:35

out enough words before they had the chance to do any

5:38

of those things. Plus arresting

5:40

someone who they are honoring? Never.

5:44

You really think you're untouchable, don't you?

5:46

I believe that I know the system well

5:48

enough to play it to my advantage. You're saying

5:50

the same thing I am, just with more diplomacy.

5:53

But now you believe that I'm committed

5:55

to this cause, as much as you, correct?

5:58

It's not some sort of confirmation. contest, but

6:01

yes, I believe you are. That's

6:03

wonderful to hear.

6:08

Let's say you're successful and you manage

6:11

to say what you intend to say on a live

6:13

limits broadcast. How do we get

6:15

that message in front of people in the OL? What's

6:17

stopping the ICRS from making

6:20

it all disappear?

6:22

I have an idea.

6:33

Do you think we'll be ready to move on to the second

6:36

arm of phase two soon? We're continuing

6:38

our analysis of cytokines. Thus

6:40

far, we've found no abnormal

6:43

levels or aberrations in their signaling pathways

6:45

in any of the samples. But

6:47

I do think we need a little more time.

6:50

We've just begun to pinpoint specific

6:52

responses elicited by the vaccine with the first

6:54

group of subjects. You can see those results here.

6:58

This is excellent work. As

7:00

I'm sure you've already seen, the clinical team's

7:02

health reports are outstanding. Every

7:05

subject seems to be doing very well with treatments.

7:08

And everyone so far has given positive

7:10

feedback to the entire experience.

7:13

I couldn't ask for better results.

7:15

I expected nothing less from my team. Thank

7:17

you, Theo and Gabriel. You're welcome. Just doing what we're here

7:19

to do. And because everything is going so well,

7:22

I think we'll all have a wonderful time at this year's honor

7:24

banquet.

7:25

Ah, don't you have a lovely time

7:27

every year at the banquet, Dr.

7:29

Weiss? Indeed I do. But this

7:31

year will be even better because we'll be honoring

7:33

a good friend of mine, Dr. Savrine Kona.

7:36

She'll be receiving the Green Award. Really? That's

7:39

interesting. I would say exciting, Dr. Larson.

7:42

She and Theo's mother worked together.

7:45

Yes, I met Dr. Kona

7:47

when I was very young. I'm sure you were

7:49

too young to realize how lucky you were to have

7:51

met her. I, for one, am extremely

7:53

excited.

7:54

I've only spoken to her virtually.

7:56

I can't wait to meet her in person. Oh

7:59

my gosh.

7:59

Listen to me, I am being quite unprofessional.

8:02

It's rather refreshing, actually. Huh.

8:06

I believe we're done here. Thank you everyone for your

8:08

time. Let me walk you out, Felicity.

8:10

Actually, I would like a quick word with Dr. Ramsay,

8:13

if that's all right. Oh,

8:15

of course. I've

8:22

requested a meeting with you tomorrow morning. Is

8:25

there something wrong with our reports? I'm positive.

8:28

Oh, now you are doing a wonderful

8:30

job on that. With Dr. Karna

8:33

coming to the headquarters, I really

8:35

wanted to make sure that you two connect. I

8:37

think it would be beneficial for you to speak

8:39

to someone who is held in such high regard

8:41

within the ICRS, but I would

8:44

hate for you to be unprepared. My

8:46

apologies. I don't

8:48

quite follow. Even

8:51

though there are far more women in the sciences

8:53

than there were a century ago, our numbers

8:55

are still small. The numbers for women

8:57

of global majority are even smaller, but I'm

8:59

rambling and you are well aware of this anyway, I'm sure.

9:02

Yes, ma'am. What I'm trying to say

9:05

is that I want you to be able to make a great

9:07

impression. Dr. Karna can help

9:09

you in your career, Dr. Ramsay. Oh,

9:12

oh, that sounds great.

9:15

I'll see you tomorrow morning then. Brilliant.

9:17

Have an excellent day and keep up the good

9:20

work.

9:27

Larson, Gabriel,

9:29

clear. What did Milgram want? She wants

9:31

to prep me for a meeting supreme. What

9:34

the hell does that mean? I think she's

9:37

trying to groom me for a leadership position. Or

9:40

she is on to you. I don't think

9:42

so. People like her are very good at making you not

9:44

think so. Level

9:49

two. No matter

9:51

what it is, this feels

9:54

weird. Well, of course it does. You're trying to commit-

9:56

Don't finish that sentence. What?

10:00

Because you don't think that's what you're doing? No,

10:02

because we have no idea who's listening or

10:05

watching. You're being paranoid. We'll talk further

10:07

in our office. Which

10:09

I'm sure is perfectly safe. Stop

10:11

it. What? You're Dr. Paranoid.

10:14

Fine, then we'll

10:16

talk tonight at your place. Yeah, I don't think

10:19

Lincoln will turn you over to Enforcers. What

10:21

about you? I'm not 100% sure what he'd

10:23

do to me. That's an awful

10:26

thing to say about your son. I'm just being honest

10:28

with myself. When you have kids, you'll know.

10:31

When I have kids? Well,

10:33

if this vaccine happens, you'll be ready

10:35

to bring all the babies into the world, Ramsay.

10:38

Ha ha! We'll

10:40

see.

10:42

Has Savrine been notified about her award? Yes!

10:46

Unfortunately, I wasn't there when they

10:48

told her. It is quite

10:50

a sight to see you truly delighted about something. She

10:53

is a legacy member of the ICRS and

10:56

her design of the clinical studies on Redevir

10:58

were groundbreaking. I was

11:00

a part of that team too. You've

11:02

never been in awe of me. Do something

11:04

awe-inspiring and we'll see about

11:06

that. Ha ha ha! Is

11:08

there anything else you need to discuss? Well,

11:10

this private meeting with Theo. What's that about?

11:13

Nothing you need to concern yourself with. She's

11:16

part of my team. I think I should be concerned. I'm

11:18

not trying to convince her to leave Virology,

11:20

Xavier. You better not. Anything

11:23

else? No, I think we're done.

11:25

Good. I'll speak to you at our

11:28

next meeting.

11:38

Ha ha ha ha! Wine?

11:42

Thank you. Well, that's

11:45

my cue. Now kids, don't

11:47

stay up all night. You both have work in the

11:50

morning. Hilarious! Now go

11:52

do your homework.

11:53

Theo, don't leave without saying- Without saying

11:55

goodnight, I never do and it won't

11:58

start now. Bye, Link. I'm

12:00

going! I

12:06

really expected him to be more tormented

12:09

from what you've been saying. Oh, he hides it

12:11

well when you're here. Have

12:13

you come to a decision about him and Kate yet? That's

12:20

a no then. Not a damn clue. This

12:23

is so unlike you, you know? It's Kate.

12:25

She- she fucked with my brain for 15 years. Actually,

12:29

more, but I liked it before.

12:31

Ha!

12:33

Link has more patience than you

12:36

do, but not that much more.

12:38

You're gonna have to make a decision soon. What

12:41

do you think I should do? I

12:44

think you should talk to her before you let him

12:46

talk to her. But you

12:49

think I should let him talk to her? Yes.

12:52

Why? Because

12:55

Link is your son. When

12:57

he wants something badly enough, he'll figure

12:59

out how to get it. What if she's

13:02

trying to get something from him? What could she possibly

13:04

be trying to get from him? I don't know. She's an

13:06

egotistical bitch. I mean, it could be a whole host

13:09

of things. Maybe she's changed. That's

13:11

what Vicky said. Vicky is a smart woman.

13:14

I think she wants to hurt us more. Again?

13:17

Why? I don't know. I

13:19

don't know. The shit is weird, Theo. It's-

13:21

it's very, very weird.

13:24

I mean, it's not like she

13:27

reached out and found Link. He found

13:29

her. You really don't think it's weird? It's

13:32

unusual, but not

13:34

exactly weird. Maybe

13:37

she was... Maybe she was

13:39

so moved by his actions that

13:41

she... She decided she wants to

13:43

see him. I

13:44

mean, he is her son. That she

13:47

abandoned. I

13:49

know this is a very foreign concept to you,

13:52

but you can forgive people. No,

13:54

not her. Even her. It's- it's

13:57

much easier to keep, uh... Hating

14:00

her? No, I don't

14:03

hate her not anymore. I mean Kate's

14:06

not worth hating. Okay

14:08

She's not worth anything to me Please

14:11

don't let Lincoln hear you say that. No, I know That's

14:15

possibly worse than hating her

14:16

Fine You

14:19

don't give a shit about this woman. No egotistical

14:21

bitch But you

14:23

need to at least hear her out and

14:26

give your son a chance to know his mother I fucking

14:31

hate this Sometimes

14:35

we do things we

14:37

hate for the people we love Speaking

14:42

of Vicki told

14:44

me she loved me a couple of days ago. I'm

14:47

assuming that was the first time. Yeah,

14:51

and what did you say? I Asked

14:59

her to stay the night and

15:01

then that night you said I Didn't

15:06

say much of anything actually It

15:09

seems sex is better when you're

15:11

trying to avoid serious topic. Oh,

15:13

thank you I didn't need

15:16

that picture in my head. Oh, you used to

15:18

like that picture in your head a very very

15:20

Very long time ago, but

15:22

it was a good picture, right? Yes,

15:25

Gabriel. You were a gorgeous specimen

15:27

of a man. Whoa, whoa, whoa were

15:29

Watch

15:34

my drink

15:43

I don't know if I love

15:45

her the Victoria. I

15:48

figured that's bad, right? No,

15:51

it's not. Oh, well, you're just being kind.

15:53

Yes

15:55

But I also know you it

15:58

takes you a long time to let yourself love someone We're

16:01

the same like that. Well, that's hilarious.

16:04

Your heart is so big. You

16:07

love everyone. I care

16:09

about everyone. I don't love

16:11

everyone. Well, that's better than I'm doing.

16:13

I love exactly two people.

16:16

You'll eventually get there with

16:18

Victoria. I loved you almost immediately.

16:22

That's not the same. I know.

16:26

Victoria's not you. Remember

16:31

what I said when you first started getting scared

16:33

about this relationship with Victoria? Of

16:37

course you don't. You have a terrible

16:40

memory. Let me remind

16:42

you then. People...

16:47

people love all kinds of people. All

16:50

kinds of ways. You're

16:52

not replacing me with Victoria. I'm

16:55

not going anywhere.

16:56

You say that, but... you're

16:59

almost dead. No, Gabriel. That

17:02

was about needing space. You

17:05

won't be rid of me that easily. What if

17:07

you don't have a choice? What does that mean? What

17:09

if whatever you and Savarina working on

17:11

goes catastrophically wrong and you're blacklisted?

17:15

That's not gonna happen. You have no

17:17

idea what's gonna happen. Do you even know

17:19

the entire plan?

17:20

I

17:22

need more wine. You want

17:24

more? Do you have meta-tabs?

17:27

Yep. Then bring the

17:29

entire bottle.

17:31

Okay,

17:37

okay, so... you're

17:39

getting this information, this

17:42

indisputable evidence of the human

17:44

challenge trials. Right.

17:52

What then? I

17:54

give it to Sabrine. And? And

17:58

she and Armand... The, uh, the OL

18:01

guy? Yeah. She and Arman

18:03

get the news to the public. How?

18:06

Well, that's the part I don't know. That's the most

18:08

important part. I have nothing to do

18:10

with it, so keeping me in the dark

18:12

is smart. Well, it's something. Look,

18:16

no matter how much I don't agree with it, I understand

18:19

the importance of the work. I

18:21

just, I can't stand by while

18:23

people are lied to, and I'll

18:26

do whatever I can to make sure that

18:29

the DHH becomes more transparent.

18:34

You've said this to me multiple times. I get

18:36

it. Then stop worrying about it. No.

18:38

Aren't we supposed to be trying to figure out your

18:41

problems tonight? Well, see, my

18:43

problems are figured, okay? I'm calling Kate and

18:46

you'll be there for moral support. Wait,

18:49

when did I agree to this? Just now.

18:51

Fine. I'll be there. I

18:53

know. Do

18:56

you want to do it right now? Oh, fuck

18:58

no. I'm not nearly drunk enough.

19:15

You said that you met Dr. Kana when you

19:17

were young. Yes. She

19:20

and my mother knew each other. Dr. Kana

19:22

headed the clinical trials for Redivir.

19:26

Oh. You didn't know that. I...

19:30

First Xavier and now Dr. Kana.

19:32

It's nice to know they both stay true to the DHH. I'm

19:36

not following. Oh. Severine

19:39

Kana isn't just an acquaintance.

19:42

She's a family friend. Yes. She

19:45

and my mother were very

19:48

close. It's alright that you didn't

19:50

share. It wasn't something I needed to know. Right.

19:54

The board decided to honour her this year on the

19:56

25th anniversary of Redivir's

19:58

introduction. I'd

20:00

almost forgotten. Of course saying that

20:02

she was part of that team isn't something

20:05

we can broadcast to the general public.

20:07

Therefore, she'll be honoured for

20:10

her years of service.

20:12

The world knows Dr. Hillerman. Why

20:15

can't they know Sivir- Dr. Kanna? Oh,

20:18

only public-facing members of the DHH

20:20

both past and present are identified

20:22

outside headquarters.

20:24

It must be hard to be so secretive all

20:26

the time. I've never seen it that way.

20:28

Social Security is of the utmost

20:31

importance. The Department of

20:33

Human Health deals with a vast array of

20:35

information. To be compromised

20:37

is to fail this institution. I

20:40

see. It's perfectly alright if that's

20:42

not something you can handle, Dr. Ramsey. You

20:44

are first and foremost a research scientist.

20:47

Not everyone is cut out to work within this department.

20:50

Ma'am, with all due respect, if

20:52

you don't think I'm cut out for this, what

20:55

do you want to prep me for? More tea?

20:58

Oh, no. I'm good. Oh,

21:00

too strong for you. I know a

21:02

lot of people who grow up in the States can't handle

21:04

strong tea, let alone the real thing.

21:07

I love a good strong cup of tea.

21:10

Especially the real thing. Another

21:12

great attribute about you.

21:16

I want you to know what type of person Dr. Kanna

21:19

actually is. And what

21:21

type of person is that? Do you know why I admire

21:24

her so much? Her work

21:26

with Redivir? No. I

21:29

admire her for realizing what was required

21:31

to advance the science. It's

21:33

a plan I want to follow for your vaccine. Now,

21:36

Dr. Kanna didn't feel that letting the research

21:38

team know was wise. At the

21:40

time, she was making a very controversial

21:42

choice. And she wanted to be the

21:44

only one responsible if things didn't go

21:46

according to plan.

21:48

That seems wise. It was at the time.

21:51

Did they go according to plan? Absolutely.

21:54

Hillman may be responsible for creating

21:56

Redivir and I will never deny

21:58

his brilliance.

21:59

Dr. Carney is the reason why we

22:02

had it so quickly. And that's

22:04

what we need with 6129.

22:07

Ma'am, you haven't actually told

22:09

me what it is you plan to do. Human

22:11

challenge trials, Dr. Ramsey. Oh,

22:15

you don't think that's still a controversial

22:17

decision? For multiple decades,

22:20

human challenge trials have been performed safely.

22:23

Yes, and they have played

22:25

important roles in accelerating the development

22:27

of treatments for a disease. Exactly.

22:30

I knew you'd understand. We need

22:32

to expedite the development of 6129. We,

22:36

as

22:37

members of the ICRS, have

22:39

a responsibility to keep our society

22:41

safe. Right.

22:43

Dr. Conner didn't tell Dr. Hilliman what she was

22:45

doing. Why are you telling me? If

22:49

a significant number of these subjects

22:51

die, then this would be

22:53

likely to have a very negative effect

22:55

on your research. That's quite

22:58

true. I need to know how much

23:00

you trust your work. Every

23:04

phase of the trials up until now have gone

23:05

according to plan. I

23:08

believe in the work. Good.

23:11

Good. I

23:13

wanted to believe you had the potential

23:15

to lead a department. Now,

23:18

sitting here with you, seeing how you've reacted

23:20

to everything I've said, I

23:22

definitely see it. You will be

23:24

a department head soon, especially if you

23:27

bring that same poise to the honour banquet.

23:30

It could be an important night for you. And

23:32

I'd like to see you next time. Bye-bye.

23:34

Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.

23:37

Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.

23:40

Bye-bye. Theo,

24:05

you have an incoming video

24:07

call from Savrine Connor.

24:10

Connect.

24:11

I received your message. You

24:13

have something? I do, but it's not...

24:17

I don't have anything in writing. What

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did she tell you? Exactly what you suspected.

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She said it outright? Yes. And

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even talked about how much she admired you for

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doing

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the same. She

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is the perfect DHH head. She

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categorically is. I

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can try to get it in writing if... No, no, that's alright. I

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don't want you to take that risk. I'll work with this. Are

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you sure? I'm sure. Thank

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you, my dear. Oh, congratulations

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on the award, by the way. Thank

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you.

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Savrine, what's next? Nothing

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you need to be concerned about. Ugh. Melgram

24:56

is very hard to read, Savrine. You

24:58

need to be careful. I'm

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being as careful as I can be. Thank

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you again, my dear. Excuse

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me for a moment. I'm

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Savrine.

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Can you speak securely?

25:30

I'm not at home, but I can be there in a few minutes. Alright, go me back.

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I'm sorry everyone, but I need

25:45

to head out. Is

25:48

everything alright? It's fine. Fine.

25:51

Don't have too much fun without me. I'm

25:56

sorry.

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I'm on, wait! Bethany,

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I told you it was fine. I know, but... Please

26:09

let me know if you need me. I

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will. Please. Go back and enjoy dinner.

26:16

I'll pack up a dessert for you. Thank

26:18

you.

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Welcome home, Armon. Deepa,

26:29

initiate private mode. Access code,

26:32

Revelation 19. Private

26:35

mode initiated. Call

26:37

Revelation 20. Colleen,

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caller identification blocked.

26:43

Good evening. I'm sorry if I took you

26:46

away from anything. It's okay. I

26:48

was getting stuffed anyway. I've

26:51

just spoken with Theodoro. Did she get

26:53

the information?

26:54

Yes. Undeniable

26:56

proof that they are planning human challenge trials.

26:59

I... I knew it, but...

27:02

But I didn't want to believe it was actually happening.

27:05

I know, but it is.

27:07

So she was able to get proof? Something

27:10

we can definitely use. Yes.

27:12

It's time for you to call in that favor. This

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episode featured the voices of... as

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Armand, Kirstie Wolven as

28:03

Dr. Milgram, Courtney

28:05

Hawley as Bethany, Marta

28:08

Da Silva as ICRS

28:11

Computer, and me, Dre

28:13

Silvertooth as Deepa. Producer,

28:17

Amanda Lorraine. Assistant Director,

28:20

Van Da Nau. Sound Design

28:22

and Mix, Joshua Sui. Sound

28:25

recorded by Courtney Hawley

28:28

at Bauman Sound Studios.

28:31

Original Theme Composer and

28:33

Music Supervisor, Catherine

28:35

Seaton. Additional music provided

28:38

by Soundstripe Music. Virology

28:40

Consultant, Peter Krug, PhD.

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Apollyon is an independently

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produced podcast distributed

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by Realm Media. For

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transcriptions and a full

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list of credits, please visit

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