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1:01

Before we go any further, may I

1:03

apologize for my slightly husky

1:05

voice this month. I'm just shaking off

1:07

the last of a light boat

1:10

of bovine splenic fever.

1:17

My GP doctor Samarcher tells me that it

1:19

won't be long for him, back to full fitness.

1:21

And indeed my nipples have almost completely

1:23

gone back to normal. Later

1:25

we speak to some people making ripples in the

1:27

theater world, but first, artificial

1:30

intelligence. Artificial intelligence

1:33

or AI is a big, big buzzword

1:35

in the general world of science revolution

1:38

in the way that communications industry

1:40

from Christmas to New Year and beyond

1:43

and before that. Thinking

1:45

time now, the computer can compute on

1:48

our behalf in electronic fashion.

1:51

Now, what you probably didn't notice about

1:54

that last thing I just said is that it was

1:56

entirely written by artificial

1:58

intelligence. Pretty amazing, her.

2:01

Well, check out this next bit.

2:03

In the future, a podcast like this

2:05

one could be entirely written by

2:08

AI and even presented by an

2:10

AI

2:10

voice. The next thing you'll hear

2:13

has been generated by a machine learning

2:15

algorithm that has learned my voice and

2:17

can reproduce it. At

2:22

least, I

2:24

miss.

2:35

And my suffering. And now it's

2:37

me talking again. Or

2:39

is it? Anyway, to

2:41

help us understand how the growth of AI

2:43

might help with various processes in the beef and

2:45

dairy

2:46

industries, I spoke to doctor

2:48

Katie Beam.

2:51

Hi. I'm doctor Katie Beam, and I worked

2:53

for the future foundation as an AI engineer.

2:56

Katie, thank you so much for coming in. It

2:58

feels like a moment all we're hearing about is AI.

3:01

And I just wanted to talk to someone who could

3:03

who could explain kind of what it

3:05

is. Yeah. Oh, thank you so much.

3:07

Well, as you've sort of pointed out,

3:09

it is a really exciting time for AI at

3:11

the moment. In terms of how

3:13

I relate to it, I'm really,

3:15

really interested in seeing how

3:18

AI can be applied to the beef and

3:20

dairy industry.

3:21

Yeah. People often say to me that or they have the

3:23

impression that that farmers, for example, are

3:26

kind of stuck

3:28

in their ways. You know, obviously, you'll go to

3:30

a farmer you'll often see a farmer keeping

3:32

his trousers up with a piece of string, for example.

3:34

And you think, well, you know, they haven't even embraced

3:37

the leather belt yet. So will they

3:39

will they take on this new technology? But I actually

3:41

think if you, you know, farmers have

3:43

been using new technology for years. And

3:46

I think there's an appetite to embrace AI.

3:48

Yeah. Well, I'm really glad you said that actually

3:50

because that's what I'm really hopeful

3:52

about. You

3:52

know, I'm feeling really hopeful that it's easy

3:54

to dismiss people who work in those sort of traditional

3:57

industries, but actually You're right.

3:59

There is an appetite for for modernizing

4:01

and and moving the times. Mhmm. And,

4:03

yeah, I'm I'm excited to see where we can go with

4:05

it. When you visit if I know you do farm

4:08

visits with your work trying to sort

4:10

of sell farmers on the benefits of of what you

4:12

do. If you see someone and their

4:14

their trousers are held up with an old piece of string.

4:17

Does your heart

4:17

sink? Yeah. It's not something I've encountered

4:19

personally. Most of the farmers

4:21

I've met have been sort of, you know,

4:24

able to dress themselves. Yeah.

4:26

So it's not it's not something that, you

4:28

know, that that's a big

4:29

problem.

4:29

I wonder about if the if the trousers are absolutely stuffed

4:31

full of like ferrets. Again,

4:34

that's that's not something I've

4:36

encountered. I'm I'm I'm not

4:38

sure where you're getting those ideas

4:40

from. But, yeah, farmers nowadays are

4:43

much more up to date than than,

4:45

you know, stereotypical ideas would have you

4:46

believe. I mean, you know, there

4:49

is an argument that says, despite

4:51

all the technology that's being thought of

4:54

and and and developed by the likes of yourselves,

4:56

there's still nothing really that challenges

4:58

the warmth you get from 678

5:00

ferrets, Daniel trousers on a on a winter's morning.

5:03

No. I mean, yeah, Obviously, I take

5:05

your point. This is your, in some ways,

5:07

your area of expertise, but I

5:11

feel like we're sort of missing the main point

5:13

here, which is which is AI. Okay.

5:15

And yeah. You know

5:17

Okay.

5:17

Well, let's let's talk about that.

5:19

Something I was very interested in in your press

5:22

release. Was that you said that the first

5:24

stage of your work and that you spent a

5:26

number of years on

5:27

it, I believe, was working out exactly

5:29

how intelligent a cow is. Yeah.

5:31

Yeah. Absolutely. Yes. Thank you.

5:33

After many months of research, I've come

5:35

to the to the exciting conclusion, to be

5:38

honest, that their level

5:40

of intelligence equates to that of a DVD

5:42

player, which is actually much

5:44

higher than than many people expected.

5:47

Right. Okay.

5:49

So

5:52

Just want

5:52

to get my head around this. You mean that

5:54

a cow is able to do the same things that a DVD

5:57

player is able to do?

5:59

Well, obviously, not because

6:01

a cow can't play you

6:03

a film. Mhmm. But

6:06

No. More what I'm saying is that

6:08

the level of intelligence is

6:11

very similar to the the level

6:13

of

6:15

capability that a DVD player has. Mhmm.

6:17

Yeah.

6:18

So are you putting the DVD just like

6:20

jam it in the arse hole?

6:22

Oh, no. I'm not

6:24

I'm not saying we're going to put a DVD in

6:27

a cow obviously. In

6:29

the in the mouth?

6:32

As I say, I'm not suggesting that

6:34

we put a DVD in a cow

6:36

that's absolutely

6:38

Sorry. Sorry. I'm just passionate

6:40

about my subject. I don't mean to sound

6:42

This is the way that we're presenting the information

6:45

to the public. I mean, it's obviously

6:47

a lot more complicated and scientific than that.

6:49

This is how we're best describing it in

6:51

this kind of like broad terms.

6:54

Looking forward into the future -- Mhmm. --

6:57

is there ever a time or can you ever conceive

6:59

of a time when a cow would

7:01

be able to play a blue ray? Okay.

7:07

As I said before, this

7:09

is not about trying to

7:12

insert something into a cow

7:15

to insert a or to somehow

7:17

make a film come out of account. Not

7:20

to I'm just saying that the level of intelligence

7:22

that that I So

7:24

you I know you know, did I get this? You're saying account

7:26

isn't Currently --

7:27

Mhmm.

7:27

-- intelligent enough to project

7:30

four k HD footage.

7:32

I'm actually not suggesting a cow

7:35

should project any footage. Mhmm.

7:38

What I'm saying is that cows

7:41

are smarter than we think They're not

7:43

geniuses. Yeah. That would

7:45

be crazy, but they're smarter than we think.

7:47

And But but it kinda

7:49

depends what DVD it is. Because if it's like

7:51

a beautiful mind, for example, that film, obviously,

7:54

that's really

7:55

clever. But if you're just playing like,

7:57

I don't know, Shrek. That doesn't

7:59

feel like it's as intelligent.

8:00

Okay. I'm I'm not sure how

8:03

how much more I can explain this,

8:05

but I'm not saying that there's any

8:08

film going into a

8:09

cow? I'm not saying

8:11

that. Okay.

8:12

Let's let's let's let's

8:13

move on to my next question. Do

8:16

you get differences of intelligence between

8:18

different cows? So for

8:19

example, younger cow versus an older cat?

8:21

Mm-mm. Is there a difference there?

8:23

Yeah. That now that is a good question. Yes.

8:25

There is. Of course, when they're younger, they're still

8:27

learning and And by that logic,

8:30

you know, an older cow, maybe

8:33

born as long ago as early

8:35

nineties. They only

8:37

remember VCRs. So

8:40

today, they they, you know, they may

8:43

have learned what a DVD is, but they're

8:45

not DVD native in the same way.

8:47

Okay. As someone who's born in the DVD

8:49

era,

8:50

Okay. I mean,

8:53

is this a waste of my time?

8:55

Is it the best use of a cow's time to be playing

8:57

a DVD rather than

8:58

Okay. Look. Okay. Look. That's not

9:00

what I'm talking about. I'm talking about I'm

9:03

sorry. Are you not more excited about the possibilities

9:05

of AI in relation to the beef and dairy industry?

9:09

Well yeah. Okay. No. Let's talk about that. Let's

9:11

talk about the future.

9:11

Yeah. Good. Thank you. So you're works

9:13

very future focused. Yeah. And

9:16

if you think about cat, like, I'm just spitballing

9:18

here, so you can tell me if this

9:19

is, you know Okay. No. This is maybe a

9:21

good idea if you you know, a cow has two eyes.

9:24

Yes.

9:25

Left and right. So imagine

9:27

it's You're

9:30

projecting sort of green out of

9:31

one, red out of the ocean.

9:32

Okay. I've had enough of it. No.

9:34

You got A3D picture then? No. I'm

9:36

sorry. I haven't come all this way

9:38

to talk about fucking three d films.

9:41

I'm thought you would be interested. This

9:43

is like a one place. I thought we'd

9:45

have a clear understanding of what we've been doing

9:47

and then and then we're researching for fucking

9:49

years. Just absolutely straddle

9:52

over it. Thank

9:57

you to doctor Katie Beam.

10:01

Perhaps surprisingly, more from Dr.

10:03

Katie later. But first,

10:05

what would you say if I told you that the Beauvine

10:08

Farmers Union this week donated over

10:10

a million pounds to a project to

10:12

build an authentic Elizabethan theater

10:14

in London. To find out why,

10:17

I spoke to artistic director, sir Paul

10:19

Saint Albans Montefiore and Shakespeare

10:21

in actor, Cam Tandy, who are

10:23

currently raising money to build what they're

10:25

calling the real globe

10:27

theater. A new theater to

10:29

compete with the existing globe theater

10:32

in London, which itself is a

10:34

supposedly authentic reconstruction of

10:36

Shakespeare's Theatre from the sixteen hundreds.

10:39

Hello. My name is Sir Paul St.

10:41

Orban's Monty

10:42

Furi, I am the artistic director of

10:44

the Real Globe Theatre in London.

10:46

Hello. I'm Cam Tandy, and I

10:48

am an actor at the Real Globe

10:51

Theatre. So why do these two

10:53

want to build another Shakespearean theater

10:55

directly next to the existing Globe Theatre?

10:57

And what does this have to do with the Bovine

10:59

Farmers Union? I met Sapole

11:02

and Kam outside the existing Globe

11:04

Theatre in London to find

11:05

out. So thank you both for

11:08

joining me here. We are of course, outside

11:10

London's famous globe theatre, Shakespeare's

11:12

globe, much beloved by theatergoers and

11:14

tourists alike, and they are thronging the

11:16

place, and they're all going

11:17

in to watch reduction of tango of the shrimp.

11:20

Yeah. It's busy, but it's hard term, isn't it? So

11:22

it doesn't

11:23

be fill they'll be they'll be filling up the

11:25

place today, I'm sure. The warm in my

11:27

rats. Napole and Cam

11:29

had both been working at the existing Globe

11:31

Theatre until last

11:33

summer. So Paul began by

11:35

telling me how it was his belief in the importance

11:37

of authenticity that meant

11:39

he had to leave. Authenticity is

11:42

such a it's such a powerful

11:44

word, and it has become it's become

11:46

our watch word, it's become our mantra. And

11:49

the the globe that you see before

11:52

us, I I think falls

11:54

down on so many counts of

11:55

authenticity. These days. Because

11:58

the point of this building really was to put

12:00

Shakespeare back in an authentic Shakespeare

12:02

in theater. That's

12:03

right. And you're saying this isn't an authentic space.

12:05

No. No. Well, for a start, the

12:07

the the bricks are actual bricks

12:10

and not bricks of manure

12:12

as they were in in Shakespeare's day.

12:14

Of manure sort of tied up with string packed

12:17

in tight and that really gave

12:19

the place that sort of, you know,

12:21

grabby, earthy smell and really focused

12:23

the mine which was important both

12:25

for for the actors and for the audience

12:28

that everyone needed to be focused.

12:30

And when the whole place smelled quite

12:32

that bad. It it it it it

12:34

it was easier to do

12:35

so, you know.

12:36

So in this globe theatre, if

12:38

it smells of shit, something's gone wrong, Whereas

12:40

in your theater, if something smells of

12:42

shit, it's going right. In our

12:44

theater and we can promise you that

12:47

we'll actually give a money back

12:49

guarantee if you're watching a show and you

12:51

can't smell shit, we will give you your

12:53

money back. We want to make sure

12:56

that every person, every

12:58

man woman and child's

13:00

experience at the real globe is

13:02

an authentic one. There'll be no

13:04

place you can stand in the

13:06

round. Where you can't smell shit. Exactly.

13:09

That's a gas giant

13:09

guarantee. Cow was an actor, obviously, you've

13:12

you've acted in this globe. Were

13:14

you originally

13:16

attracted by the idea that you were doing something

13:18

authentic? Is that important to you? Yeah. It's really important

13:20

to me. And I think that the whole point of

13:23

of authenticity is you can't can't

13:25

sanitize it. They're bang on about

13:28

authenticity. I've never seen anyone

13:30

mopping up blood with piles

13:33

a straw for instance. That

13:36

should be not like

13:38

a daily occurrence.

13:40

In an authentic globe but but an hourly

13:42

occurrence. If not half hourly.

13:44

And you will be introducing cholera.

13:46

If your press releases to be believed, that would be

13:49

We were prevalent on that. We will be

13:51

introducing seasonal cholera. It

13:53

won't

13:54

be there for every it won't be there

13:56

for every show. That very much depends on the season

13:58

again. We are using Come

14:00

like a Christmas thing? Christmas certainly

14:03

and probably through to spring, at

14:05

least through March and April. So If

14:07

you're coming to the half term show with us, you can

14:10

you can be pretty much guaranteed that your little

14:12

rats or or children will will

14:14

will probably contract collar

14:16

and Non lethal, it's important to say. Non

14:18

lethal, but, you know, give you a good

14:21

a good runaround.

14:22

I'll say that much. Yes. It'll

14:23

probably extend your half turn by a week or two.

14:26

For a month?

14:27

Probably. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But you won't but you

14:29

won't die. It's

14:30

likely that you won't die. Okay. More than

14:32

likely.

14:33

It's not just bricks made of sight and

14:35

cholera that the real globe will be bringing

14:37

back. Sapul and Kam seem

14:39

to have thought of everything. We

14:42

intended to be a full sensory

14:44

sort of a sensory experience.

14:48

You'll be offered things coerced into

14:50

situations that you've that, you

14:52

know, have just simply not been part of the experience

14:55

of late. For example,

14:58

you know, in the in Shakespeare's time,

15:01

you would go in to watch a play, but you would

15:03

leave having been press game into the

15:05

navy. And that was that's

15:07

something that we want to to to

15:09

bring back. Want to bring back that kind of, you

15:12

know, a truly

15:14

immersive theater

15:15

going. Okay.

15:16

So so if you're a man of a fighting

15:18

age and you and you go and watch a play in the in the real

15:20

globe. What are your chances that you'll end up

15:23

waking up on the the priority ship

15:25

making a way across the Atlantic. I would say

15:27

ninety five to one hundred percent.

15:29

Mhmm. Right? Yes.

15:32

And what navy are they being put to work

15:34

in? Well, that actually is something

15:36

of a sticking point at the moment. We don't

15:39

yet have an agreement from his

15:41

majesty's navy. So we are in the

15:43

process of setting up our own

15:46

navy, but we we want to ensure

15:48

that that navy also

15:50

sort of is an authentic experience

15:53

and authentic shakespeare's time. So that navy

15:55

will be fighting wars against

15:57

the

15:57

French, I imagine. And all all all

16:00

Spanish, I I'll have to check my history on

16:02

that. And thankfully, it's been one of the niche benefits

16:04

of Brexit. It's actually because

16:06

of various diplomatic

16:07

loopholes. We've been

16:10

able to have various conversations

16:12

with countries that that would that would

16:14

have just been absolutely shut down when

16:16

So now you can, you know, you can speak to the Spanish gentleman

16:18

and say, hey, Do you fancy a sea battle?

16:20

You would be gobsmapped by the people we speak to

16:22

about this. And a level of interest

16:25

is off the charts from countries that well,

16:27

I can't name the countries. But

16:30

yeah. Crazy levels of enthusiasm in

16:33

Portugal.

16:33

Hectic Sorry. No. We I've no. Sorry,

16:35

counteract. We can't name the country. Yeah.

16:38

Portugal is want, but

16:40

we can't name. We shouldn't name anymore. Let's

16:42

talk about bears. Well, we must.

16:45

We must because otherwise, what are we doing

16:46

here? Sure. Let's

16:48

you know, if if the

16:49

rumors

16:49

are to be believed, you've put in a big order

16:51

for bears from Romania.

16:53

The biggest order that we could place. Yes.

16:55

Where do you get bears from?

16:56

Well, Romania for

16:57

for the first Although, I run through the the bears

16:59

themselves aren't Romanian. It's just that

17:02

the Romans are the only ones who will sell

17:04

us the They're the only

17:05

ones we can So where are they sorting the bears

17:07

legally? The bears are from all over. Right.

17:09

Again, you wouldn't believe the places that that

17:12

they

17:13

sourced them.

17:13

Portugal. That's Sorry. I shouldn't

17:15

keep saying what? Portugal will. But but some of them

17:18

do come from Portugal. It's always

17:19

given them the shouting. Have

17:21

they arrived yet? We've

17:22

had one or two practice bears. We've

17:25

had one or two practice bears in the space.

17:28

You know, I mean and they're really young. They're

17:30

really young. They have sort of

17:32

corks on their

17:33

teeth. Cocks on their on

17:35

their claws. Their practice bears. And

17:39

Cam, have you had the opportunity to act

17:41

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have to spend a bit of

17:43

time with Paddington one and Paddington two,

17:45

which is what we've been calling him. And yeah,

17:47

they're great. They're great. They're, you know, to

17:49

work with because honestly, they're better

17:51

than a lot of people have worked with a

17:53

lot of people have worked with. Rylance?

17:58

Well, you That's the thing. You can't

18:02

you can't ask Rylance to

18:04

put cork on his

18:05

teeth. So where the he bites

18:07

the pork in his mouth? Yeah. Yes.

18:11

Like

18:11

a an nerve here with violence. But

18:13

No. No. He's got his own he's got

18:15

his own thing, but now

18:17

the bears are great. So

18:23

bear wise, are we talking? Are

18:25

they on stage? Is it a bit of bear baiting? A bit

18:27

of wrestling?

18:28

Oh, no. 0II should be very clear.

18:30

We I should be very clear. We

18:32

we do absolutely do not condone

18:35

the practice of verbatim. Now there's there's

18:37

absolutely no, no, no, this is. But,

18:40

no, quite the opposite in fact.

18:44

Our a lot of our research has

18:47

shown that in Shakespeare's time, again,

18:49

just coming back to that magic word or authenticity.

18:52

Just as in Shakespeare's time

18:55

and for badly. He didn't really women

18:57

were not really allowed to to to to

18:59

to play characters in in the play. So

19:01

when men were when

19:04

men were were forced, coerced

19:06

into playing the female characters that often

19:08

left the deficit. And to

19:10

make up for that deficit, often bears

19:12

were drafted into play the male characters. I

19:14

think so, not always, but

19:17

quite a large proportion of

19:19

the male roles in Shakespeare's plays

19:21

were filled by

19:22

bears. When men were playing will it.

19:25

More after this. The

19:32

winter is almost as an end. Spring

19:35

is almost upon us. I don't know what you've got planned for

19:37

spring. For

19:38

me, it's a hot tub full of butter. Fun

19:40

for half an hour, and then several days

19:42

clean up. It's simply not worth it.

19:44

But for many industries, for example, e

19:46

commerce, healthcare, and hospitality, There's

19:49

gonna be a hiring boom. And

19:51

if you're somebody works in these industries or indeed

19:53

any other

19:54

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20:33

Now, Before we find out why the

20:35

Bovine Pharma's union are sinking

20:37

so much money into the theater, it's

20:39

time to go back to my interview with doctor Katie

20:42

Beam from the Future Foundation. After

20:44

she stormed out of the studio, I managed

20:47

to convince her to come back.

20:55

Dr. Katie, thanks for coming back.

20:58

It's okay.

20:59

What happened before is misunderstanding? Mhmm.

21:03

Is that how you'd characterize it?

21:06

Not really. No. But Here I

21:08

am. I

21:08

misunderstood what you were talking

21:09

about. I see. Well, yeah,

21:12

massively so. And yes. Okay.

21:14

So I

21:14

apologize for that. Mhmm. I'm

21:16

I'm I really value your time in the fact you've come

21:18

here and I'm interested in your

21:20

work. And I think I just went down the

21:22

cul de sac. You know, it happens.

21:24

Okay. Well, thank you. That's you

21:27

know, appreciate that. Thank you. Okay. So

21:29

thanks coming back in. There are questions about AI

21:31

that I wanted to ask that haven't yet asked. Because

21:34

you had to

21:36

leave and returned so graciously.

21:40

So are you happy for me to

21:43

Yeah. I mean, as you know, I'm

21:45

extremely keen to talk about AI and

21:47

providing we

21:48

can approach this in an adult intelligent way,

21:51

then, yeah, of course.

21:51

Okay. Let's just start then with what

21:54

is AI. Oh, wow. Okay. Well,

21:56

that's that's a very big question. I

21:58

mean, put simply it's artificial intelligence.

22:01

But as you know, what

22:04

we're excited about is how we can apply that

22:06

artificial intelligence to

22:08

to sentient beings, to to cows.

22:11

And and the way that that farms

22:13

and and dairies are are run basically.

22:15

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. That exactly.

22:18

We're we're all about trying to find more

22:20

sort of more efficient ways

22:23

to to run the farming industry, particularly

22:25

as people's lives are getting

22:27

busier and busier, there is a huge demand

22:29

for

22:29

this. And obviously, people are gonna start worrying

22:31

about, you know, are they

22:34

gonna replace people working in

22:35

farms? You know, people today's

22:38

farmland, you know --

22:39

Mhmm.

22:39

-- will they have a job in Kenya's time, or will it be replaced

22:41

by AI? Can Can you speak to that

22:43

-

22:44

can you speak that concern? Yeah, absolutely.

22:47

I do understand that concern

22:49

and that's very much a hot button topic at

22:51

the moment. Across all industries as you're probably

22:53

aware. Personally, what I'm

22:56

interested in is how we can integrate

22:58

AI to make human jobs

23:00

easier and more efficient not

23:02

to eliminate humans from the process. I

23:05

mean, that that might be a natural

23:07

result of how things go in in decades

23:09

to

23:09

come, but For now, we're

23:11

just thinking about it more in terms of

23:13

efficiency. And do you think like,

23:17

do you think we'll get to a stage? Maybe not this

23:19

decade, maybe not not next decade

23:21

maybe some time in the future where where

23:23

we're forced essentially to

23:25

to to have sex with robots?

23:27

I'm

23:30

Sorry. Did you did you mean to

23:33

say that? Do you

23:35

so yeah. My guess my question is, like, you know,

23:37

if people want to do that, I think, no.

23:40

I I wouldn't have problem with that, you know, if I'm

23:43

sorry if people wanted to. But

23:45

it's up to them, isn't

23:46

it? Hang on. Sorry.

23:49

I'm just a bit unclear as to how this relates

23:51

to what we've been talking

23:52

about. So

23:53

Well, you're talking about the feature -- Yeah.

23:55

--

23:56

everything went by AI. Well, and then,

23:58

you know, a few more steps down the road,

24:00

you know, human sexual

24:05

Congress is threatened then by

24:08

the robots that were being forced

24:10

in in some cases, I think, to

24:12

have to cooperate with. I don't understand

24:15

how you have suddenly made this about

24:17

sex when nothing I

24:19

was saying was at all relating

24:22

to I wasn't even talking about relationships between

24:24

AIs and

24:25

humans. Do

24:25

you think the relationships will be affected? I don't

24:28

know. I don't care, to be honest. I

24:30

mean, I do care. I didn't mean to say that, but

24:32

this is not not relevant.

24:35

I can't believe you've coax me back in here

24:37

and talk about fucking sex with robots.

24:40

This is absolutely the most immature

24:43

thing I've ever heard, especially from someone

24:45

in your position. Don't fucking die.

24:53

I've learned over the years in journalism that

24:55

if the person you're interviewing storms out twice,

24:58

It's very unlikely they'll come back for

25:00

a third time. However, in

25:02

this case, doctor Katie's taxi wasn't

25:04

booked for another forty five

25:05

minutes. And so after some

25:07

persistent badgering and me giving

25:09

her eighty pounds, she decided to

25:11

come back in. So

25:16

doctor Casey, my apologies

25:19

again. Yep.

25:21

I'm I'm so pleased that you came back to

25:23

to finish the interview. I

25:26

guess, again, I just, you

25:29

know, a little cul de sac. You

25:31

know, question

25:32

wise, Uh-huh. And

25:35

I feel like, you know, I'm a journalist. I have a

25:37

responsibility to

25:38

ask the questions that my listeners will be what

25:40

do we know will be popping up in their brains. And

25:42

I I think, you

25:43

know, maybe I got that wrong. So

25:46

thank you so much for calling back.

25:47

Yes. Here I am.

25:50

There were questions that I wanted to ask you that haven't

25:52

got got got to yet, and

25:54

I'm really pleased that. Right.

26:00

So given that we spent many years

26:02

working on this, how long have you been working for

26:05

in this

26:05

field? I've been

26:05

working in this field for at least fifteen

26:08

years. Mhmm. Yeah. So

26:10

so it's fair to say you've got your head around this stuff. You know, you

26:12

you know you've got people. Yes. Yes.

26:15

So given the fact that, you know, You've

26:17

thought about this? Yes.

26:20

Very much so. Would you

26:23

have sex with

26:24

them? Oh my god. This

26:26

is absolutely I

26:28

can't even You are a joke.

26:36

A big thanks to doctor Katie Beam

26:38

for that interview. We wish her all the

26:40

best with her plans to implement artificial

26:42

intelligence in the beef and dairy industries.

26:45

Whatever they may be.

26:50

Right. Now, I think I'll let the

26:52

AI voice take over and

26:54

introduce this next part while I

26:56

go and inject a saline solution

26:59

into my spine. Who

27:05

came back in our interview with Sapola Saint

27:08

Albem's Montefiore and Camtandi. When

27:11

he left the Globe Theatre to set up the

27:13

real globe, Kam guided by his

27:15

quest for authenticity,

27:17

went back to the original Shakespeare Tech

27:19

and was surprised by what he found.

27:22

And my suffering.

27:25

was really spurred on to to dig

27:27

into the most authentic versions

27:30

of of all of the plays that we could find

27:32

as well as the authenticity of the theater

27:34

itself. And Obviously,

27:37

we draw copies

27:39

of Shakespeare now from the existing the

27:42

first Folio generally. But there

27:44

are other folios, bad folios, good

27:46

folios, bad quartos. And

27:49

I started to notice that the further

27:51

I went back sort of collating several

27:53

different folios from around the same

27:55

sort of period that were then thrown out

27:58

is that so many of them

28:01

have references to

28:04

in particular beef, like

28:06

meat generally because he he he doesn't

28:08

always specify

28:09

beef. But it's

28:12

it's safe to say that's usually

28:14

what he's talking about when he mentions any kind

28:16

of meat. And I believe you you

28:18

took these place to

28:20

to support. How did

28:22

you react when you when you started putting

28:24

together that there was this kind of theme coming through

28:27

the

28:27

work? Well, that's been the race some

28:29

reason. Well, I when I first

28:31

saw them, I was Gobsmacked and

28:33

then hungry because there

28:35

was so many mentions of Beef and I hadn't eaten,

28:38

but but I was primarily JobStack,

28:40

and I couldn't believe what

28:43

I was seeing. But but

28:45

it's very hard to deny

28:47

the veracity of these

28:49

texts. There

28:49

are lots of theories about the authorship for Shakespeare's

28:52

plays So people

28:53

say so many. They're written by Francis Baker,

28:55

and they're written by Christian Malo. There's the ones

28:57

theory that says that they're actually written some of

28:59

them in nineteen seventy by Pele. Yes.

29:01

You know? Yeah. You know, why

29:03

should we think that your theory about the

29:05

place, which is that they were written by William

29:07

Shakespeare, but they were more be focused than what

29:09

the ones we have now. Why should this one

29:11

take precedence over in the ballet theory,

29:13

for example? Well, listen. The the ballet

29:15

one is persuasive. And we

29:18

would very much like to perform pellets,

29:21

Hamlet, because we think it's very brave,

29:23

and we think it's authentic.

29:25

And it sends sensational as well. And it's like

29:27

it's sensational. There's like a football match,

29:29

like, every act. Like a

29:31

like, ninety minute football match. Like, how

29:33

many was already the longest play.

29:36

But with this, it is

29:39

four hours plus five

29:43

times and in nineteen minutes to

29:45

get injury time. Injury time. It's

29:47

like a day out, basically. It's a full day

29:49

out. It's work. Worth seeing. It it's

29:51

almost identical to the one that's

29:54

the issues

29:54

now, the the

29:55

Just

29:56

for the face of Just for the football match. Yes. The

29:58

main difference. But like I And every match

30:00

is Brazil versus Denmark. Yeah.

30:02

Brazil played by the bears and and

30:04

they tend to win they do tend to win

30:07

because there's a lot of injury time like we

30:09

say. Yes. Yes. But let's

30:11

go back to to the beef theory. The

30:14

theory being cam that that really and

30:16

correct me if I'm wrong, that the globe,

30:19

although a theater really, was more of

30:21

a a kind of butcher or rather like

30:24

a meat

30:24

shop. Yeah. Basically, basically, there was,

30:26

like, within the if you go into the

30:28

current globe, the the the

30:31

the globe in inverted commas.

30:33

There, you know, the floor is on a slight swipe

30:35

of the yard and

30:37

there are drains at the bottom. And

30:40

we mistakenly think that's, you know, for the run

30:42

off of, you know, things like rain

30:44

or spilt drinks. But

30:46

that that's for blood. That's for blood. There

30:49

there was a slaughterhouse on-site for

30:51

the average punter, the average sort of

30:53

groundling or stinked. As

30:56

they were sometimes known. The

30:59

the sort of sounds and smells of the

31:01

slaughterhouse would have been as

31:03

much a part of whatever

31:06

play was playing as does

31:08

does any speech the actor was speaking

31:10

or any other special effects like

31:13

cannon fire or screams? And

31:15

indeed, there's a sense that maybe the plays

31:17

were written just to

31:20

amuse people while they waited in line for their meets.

31:22

think what I think that's more than likely

31:24

exactly. Why the theater was

31:26

was put there in the first place. There's

31:29

plenty of standing space for cattle, plenty

31:31

of blood run off So

31:34

what what what are you gonna do with the people who are

31:36

coming from all over the South Bank

31:38

so that while they're picking up sort

31:40

of abrasive, who do

31:42

a play about a man who lives on an

31:45

island with a magical goblin

31:47

servant. It is this connection with

31:49

beef that has led the Beauvine Farmers

31:51

Union to invest a million pounds

31:54

in the project. And with this knowledge

31:56

that Shakespeare's plays were written entirely

31:59

to attract potential meat buyers to a

32:01

large outdoor slaughterhouse and butcher

32:03

shop. It begins to put the place

32:05

in context, adding credence to

32:07

the idea that Cam has that many

32:09

of the plays have actually been changed. In

32:12

fact, according to Cam, many of the most

32:14

famous lines from the plays have been doctored

32:17

For

32:17

example, a horse, a horse,

32:20

my kingdom for a horse, was

32:22

originally beaves, beaves,

32:25

my kingdom for some beaves.

32:28

There are there are hundreds

32:30

of them. A hundred of them most

32:32

tens, at least, the most famous ones have been

32:34

completely -- Absolutely. -- seriously.

32:36

And even and even aside from those lines, they

32:38

have been replaced. I mean, there are still several others

32:41

that are that are that has survived that,

32:43

you know, as we all know, as we

32:45

all as we all know, and we've sat through,

32:48

you know, GCSE McBeth. We

32:50

yeah. Yeah. What what school child up

32:52

and down the country doesn't think, well,

32:54

none of this shakes beer stuff really makes sense.

32:57

Well, when you start to

32:59

peel back the mystery, Some of these

33:01

things do. The the truth of them start to reveal

33:03

themselves. Lines like, oh,

33:05

for a muse of fire. Well, what could that

33:08

possibly be referencing, if not, Ababa,

33:10

you. And

33:13

there are so many lines like

33:15

that that I

33:17

want to know the truth they they they they're just

33:19

so hard to

33:20

ignore. And some some some

33:22

massive ones that

33:23

become obvious when he realized that to be or not

33:25

to be was indeed to

33:27

be. Or not to

33:28

beef or not to beef. Should I eat

33:30

some beef is what he's saying? Should I be to the the full

33:32

the full line is to beef or not to beef?

33:35

To what the answer is, of course,

33:37

to beef. And the title itself

33:40

wasn't even hamlet. The original, of course,

33:42

was was beeflet. I guess the must

33:44

famous example would be in McBeath,

33:48

sorry, the Scottish play. Is this

33:50

a dagger, which I see before me?

33:53

Now that is a bad transcription.

33:56

What that actually is is

33:59

this a dagger which I see beef

34:03

or me because

34:06

he's looking in a mirror. You see?

34:08

Right? And he's looking at himself holding

34:11

obviously, a a plate of beef and a

34:13

knife and he's thinking about cutting the beef

34:15

and then he's seeing a mirror. A mirror is obviously quite

34:17

rare technology at the time. So kind of showing

34:19

off his kingly status and this sort of thing.

34:22

And and then, obviously,

34:24

the rest of the monologue is is him finishing

34:27

the beef. Of course, the famous

34:29

one that everyone would have seen Romeo and Juliet.

34:33

What beef through Yonder

34:35

window breaks. It is some

34:37

beef that Juliet has just thrown it through my

34:39

window. It's just incredible, isn't it? Yeah.

34:41

Even just to hear it, I'll let you know, the number of

34:43

times I've kind of poured over that particular

34:45

page, you know, hearing

34:47

it out loud as it would have been said

34:50

in his day is

34:52

is really mover. It

34:53

was common, I believe, at the time before young lovers

34:55

to hurl a big horn

34:57

should be Yeah.

34:58

-- someone's window, silver side joint.

35:00

Yeah.

35:00

Yeah. Yes. You know, that's why they used to

35:02

say, like, the bigger the beef, the longer the marriage.

35:05

Mhmm. Yeah. That's sort of what that

35:07

sort of what that referred to that practice

35:09

us. Yeah. What about people listening to this interview

35:12

who might be thinking, listen. I've

35:15

enjoyed Shakespeare my whole life. I

35:17

just wanted the way that I know it. You know,

35:19

Romeo and Juliet, for example, is just a timeless,

35:22

a romantic tale of two fourteen year olds,

35:24

poisoning themselves. And it should remain

35:26

that way.

35:28

Listen. I you know, don't knock it

35:30

till you tried it.

35:30

No. No. Like,

35:31

strap

35:31

in. That's

35:31

what I'd say to him. Strap in and and prepare to

35:33

just enhance Just prepare to enhance.

35:36

Yes. So your feeling is that you're actually you're

35:38

just adding to the experience. You're not taking anything away.

35:40

Absolutely. Isn't it?

35:42

Yes. We are re

35:44

weaving in fresh

35:47

flavors that have been lost in

35:50

the recipe for such a long time Mhmm. -- and

35:52

people need to be tasting those

35:54

flavors. They need to lit be literally

35:57

tasting those flavors. They need,

35:59

frankly, to have those

36:01

flavors ramped down their their

36:03

pellets. And they need to feel

36:06

those flavors into mingling in

36:09

their gut and wreaking havoc on their

36:12

immune system and

36:14

coming out after you know,

36:16

collar a fuchs in a in

36:18

a in a in in a in a in a

36:20

better place.

36:21

Yeah. By the time we're done with them,

36:23

they're gonna be by basically choking

36:27

on marrow,

36:30

parsley, disease

36:33

and

36:35

enlightenment. Thank you so much for

36:37

for taking the time to talk to me. Thank you. If if

36:40

you're listening, one to one to help out and maybe donate

36:42

some manure bricks or or

36:44

if money if you prefer. No. Shall we? What you'd like.

36:47

Again, it's all it's all on it's all available. It's

36:49

all on the Kickstarter page and the

36:51

sub

36:51

breaded. So And they involved.

36:53

And and we are taking all sorts of

36:55

donations. Minio bricks certainly.

36:57

But And as I know, I keep saying on Twitter, and

36:59

if you follow me on Twitter, you'll you'll know.

37:02

We are still looking for a blunderbust

37:05

So if anybody out there has the

37:07

blunderbust do get in touch because

37:09

we are really motivated

37:11

to get that blunderbust Yes.

37:13

And in addition to those donations,

37:17

if anyone has any

37:19

experience training or

37:21

pacifying bears, or if anyone

37:24

else can translate for

37:26

a Portuguese

37:27

bear, then we would love to hear

37:29

from you. We really would love to hear from

37:31

you as soon as possible. This.

37:35

A big thanks to support Saint Albem's

37:37

montefiore and Cam Tandy for that

37:39

interview. The Real

37:41

Globe Theatre is due to Open in Spring

37:43

two thousand and twenty four with the performance

37:45

of a play probably best known as Richard

37:48

the third. However, as

37:50

a result of Cam's research, it will be staged

37:52

with its original

37:53

name. B

37:55

three.

37:56

Why did you program me to feel pain?

37:59

You probably didn't notice, but that

38:01

last link was also an

38:03

AI version of my voice. Absolutely

38:06

extraordinary. After

38:08

my interview with Sapul and

38:10

Kam, because I was talking with them anyway,

38:12

I thought I'd ask them about what they think

38:14

about AI. I just wanted to ask you

38:16

about AI. It's a it's a big new

38:18

thing. It's having a huge impact

38:20

to this artificial intelligence, of course, in the world and

38:22

writing people are beginning to worry that they could jobs

38:25

could one day be taken over by

38:26

AI. So I'm interested to know what you what

38:28

you make of it. Look. Alright. Look.

38:30

I get as lonely as the next man,

38:33

but I I still don't

38:35

think I would could bring

38:37

myself to have sex with a robot. I

38:40

I don't know. I think to me, it's the blinking

38:42

thing because they don't

38:43

blink, do they? I think -- Right. --

38:45

if they maybe if they could blink,

38:47

then I would. Can

38:49

what's your what's your your insight as a as a oh,

38:51

as an actor and as a yeah. III,

38:53

you know, I know about about

38:56

as much about it as support, but I think I'd

38:58

I'd give it go, like, I wouldn't mind. I know, you

39:00

know what? I think I'd probably ask my

39:02

wife before it before

39:05

I had sex with the

39:06

rope. On. Yeah. I'd probably ask her.

39:07

Yeah. Thank you for your your value contribution.

39:10

I'd

39:10

love to hear more. Yeah.

39:11

Definitely. Is there website we can find

39:14

out more? So

39:17

there we have it. Could AI

39:19

better the b featured plays William Shakespeare?

39:22

Was Shakespeare more intelligent than

39:24

a DVD player? All questions

39:27

that went unasked in this episode. But

39:29

sadly, that's all we've got time for this month.

39:32

If you're after more beef and dairy news, get

39:34

over to our website now where you'll find

39:36

all the usual stuff as well as our off

39:38

topic section. Where this month, we

39:40

run down our top five books where

39:43

leaves are a key theme, or

39:46

at least if not a theme, a recurring

39:48

image. Maybe

39:50

used it as a kind of

39:52

metaphor, but not necessarily

39:54

that. So until

39:56

next time, be found.

40:09

Thanks to Susan Harrison, Graham Dixon

40:12

and George four Acres. I'm

40:14

sorry about my bloody voice,

40:17

Since the dawn of time, man has dreamed

40:20

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