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Hmm, what's
0:03
talking too much about? Come my Cody's
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part two of my reading to my friends
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of the war on everyone. I
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have armed myself additionally with
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a fistful of plastic
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silverware packets. Sophie, No, I have to
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throw the cans. She's trying to take
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my cans, my pressure.
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I need all of these to throw now. Katie
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commented during the show break
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that the oranges I have are
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very soft and almost certainly
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bad. You're ready to burst you you
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could touch it, lightly needed explode. I'm
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so excited to throw those at the wall. So
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if you just give me a withering look,
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that's her excited look. That's her
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excited look. Look. Well, speaking of excitement,
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it's time for part two, Chapter
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two. Because this is an Adeo book, which
1:01
is different from a seven part podcast for
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reasons. I'm glad that I'm finally recording an audio
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book. Maybe this will start my audiobook career, I
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think so. Thank you for narrating the
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Katie parts that I wrote ahead of time, he
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thought out loud.
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Chapter two, An American Fascist
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Faith. At nine fifty
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a m. On October eighteen,
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Robert Bowers entered the Tree of Life Synagogue
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in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He carried a cult
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a R fifteen three glock handguns,
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chambered in three fifty seven six body
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armor, and a substantial amount of ammunition.
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Bowers proceeded to open fire during a Shabbat
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morning service. He killed eleven of the seventy
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five people worshiping at the synagogue that morning,
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and the hours and days that followed, journalists and researchers
1:46
in the countering violent extremism community began
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to dig into Mr. Bowers's social media
1:50
presence and Internet footprint. If
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you read or listen to any coverage about this,
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it probably focused on his use of the social
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media website gab, which is essentially
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Twitter for Nazis. Gab earned
2:01
a lot of attention because it's where Bowers chose to
2:03
announce his attack and his belief that a Jewish
2:06
conspiracy was responsible. Sounds like
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a teen girl magazine. It is. Yeah,
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yeah, it should be
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in a sane world. Uh so, Yeah.
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Gab earned most of the attention, Like the media
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coverage in the wake of that attack. Gained
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attention for that attack mainly because it was seen as like the
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place that radicalized him um and it
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was, of course the place where he announced the start of his attack.
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But in addition to announcing the start of his attack on
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gab Robert Bowers said other things on the
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site stranger things. In various
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posts, he claimed that people of Anglo European
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descent were the chosen people, with Jews
2:37
as their ancient enemy. He warned his
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fellow racists of a coming false flag
2:42
attack that would be quote one of the final desperate
2:44
attempts by the Jewish international oligarchy
2:46
to maintain power in the face of collapsing public
2:48
trust in the media, which he believed
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they controlled. On the profile page
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for his account, Bowers included a quote Jews
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are the children of Satan. A little
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more than two weeks before his rampage, he reposted
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to link to the Wikipedia page for Christian
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identity. Have you ever heard of Christian identity?
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Yeah? Exactly, that's what we're getting into
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today. Uh So, he reposted
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a link to the Wikipedia page for Christian identity and
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wrote if the Jews hate it, then it must be
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truth. Now, if you haven't heard
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much about Christian identity, don't worry. Neither
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had I before Bowers went on his rampage.
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Um A friend of mine, actually a
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woman named Sarah, who's a CV researcher,
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is the person who like first said
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that you should start looking into this ship, and as soon
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as I did, I found that it connected to basically
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everything that's ever happened in American
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fascism after World War Two and
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kind of before it. Uh now. Christian
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identity theology is not widely
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known in modern America, and in fact, the
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vast majority of people who have been influenced by it
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have probably never actually heard the term. Bowers
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is sort of a rare figure in that he was
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aware of it. Um it's been around
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for so long and embedded itself so deeply in the
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consciousness of the far right that it's woven itself
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into the DNA of American facis M.
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Christian identity, however, did not begin
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in America. The origin of this philosophy
4:05
traces back to Britain, in when
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a crazy person and retired navy man named
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Richard Brothers started having visions.
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Rather than writing these visions off as the result
4:15
of bad can sardines or or got poisoned
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bread, he decided that these visions were God
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telling him that he had to lead the Jews back
4:21
to Palestide. Now. He
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also decided that he was a descendant of the biblical
4:26
King David, for reasons which are slightly
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less clear. Revelation followed revelation,
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as they often do for people with this sort
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of thing going on in their brain,
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and by the time Richard Brothers was done, he had
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concluded that the majority of Jewish people were
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actually hidden in Britain. This hidden
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Israel, as he called it, became one of the central
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tenets of British Israelism.
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Yeah, all of the Jews are secretly British.
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Yeah, that's British Israelism in a nutshell.
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Now, Brothers was eventually declared insane
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by the state, which is probably fair.
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He was stuck in an institution, which is probably
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unfair, from sevent to eighteen
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o six. But in the four years before he got
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locked up, he earned himself some followers,
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and although his flock didn't stick together until
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he got out of the asylum, some
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of his ideas persisted for years amongst
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the fringes of British society. In
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eighteen forty, a writer named John Wilson
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wrote Lectures on Our Israelitish
5:20
Origin and began lecturing across
5:22
England and Ireland about the theory that the real
5:25
Jews were basically everyone but actual
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Jewish people. According to the book Religion
5:30
and the Right by Michael barkun quote, the
5:32
lectures depended less on the interpretation of Biblical
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prophecy than on Wilson's attempt to demonstrate
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empirically that the Lost Tribes had in fact
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migrated from the Near East to Europe. Like
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many writers after him, one of his favorite techniques
5:43
was to look for words in different languages that sounded
5:45
the same, assuming, usually erroneously,
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that if the words sounds were similar in the languages
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and their speakers had to be connected this
5:54
stuff. Yeah, yeah, since
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similar sounds often crop up in otherwise unrelated
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languages, they allowed Wilson claim and to believe
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that he had proved that quote, many of our most common
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English words and names of familiar objects are
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almost pure Hebrew. Yeah.
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It's one of those things when you when you read like early arguments
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as to why the Bible shouldn't be printed, like back
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when like they wouldn't give out copies of the
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Bible to people, like only the priest would have a copy
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of the Bible. The Internet makes
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me have a little bit more respect for those arguments.
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It's like, oh yeah, maybe just letting everyone read everything
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is a bad Maybe
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maybe human beings naturally look
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for patterns and not
6:33
all those patterns actually exists. Are irrelevant.
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I took a sip of tea and started laughing, though,
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And Sophie, can I have one
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of my Canada drives? I
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promise I won't throw it. I
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love professionalism. That's
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the best thing about podcasts is the professionals.
6:53
And this one specifically is the most professional.
6:55
This one specifically is the most professional. And
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as a mark of my professionalism, I'm gonna
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throw the sack of clement Clementine's
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everywhere ads We're
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back, We're back.
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There's oranges all over the floor, h
7:17
Cody or any of them oozing. No,
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that's a shame, that's unfortunate. I'm gonna stomp
7:22
on. Well, let's
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not remove them in the hopes that they get forgotten
7:27
and begin to rot and dan All finds them.
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That's the dream, and it's a dream
7:31
that could be a reality. Just leave it
7:33
for a month and then you come back and there'll be a
7:35
bunch of flying at like
7:38
what happened at our office last night. I
7:40
don't know if y'all remember but months ago when
7:43
we did the Rockwell episodes, I tossed
7:45
the coffee mate up on the
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ceiling of the poison rooms. Still
7:49
there are you guys looking forward
7:51
to making some coffee with that next year.
7:54
So yeah, it's going to be a laxing,
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one pump, one shit cottage
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cheese. Alright,
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we're talking about British Israelism,
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the normal same concept
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of British realism. Yes, the idea
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that the British people are the Jews and
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the Jews are not the Jews all
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makes sense. Well, at this point the
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Jews are still the Jews, but also British people
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are secret Jews. That's British is Realism
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in a enough shehell. So British
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Israelism continued to evolve over the
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course of the eighteen hundreds. Fella
8:30
named he and added the assertion that Germans
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were really Assyrians because apparently those people
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had gotten lost to and wound up in Germany
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somehow. Hein claimed that the United States
8:39
was also full of Israelites. Now,
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at this point, actual Jewish people, like
8:44
real Jewish folks, were not seen as
8:46
bad guys. They were considered part of a greater
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community called all Israel,
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which was made up of the House of Israel, which
8:53
was Europe, and the House of
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Judah, which is actual Jewish people.
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Now, there was no evidence for any of this at
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any point in time. This was this
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was and I'm not using this was slow.
9:04
It was all just the result of a guy's mental illness like that.
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That's what was going on, is this was a sick
9:08
man who had a dream about
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leading the juice back to Palestine and read
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too much into that. Um, so
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that's where this starts. Now, A fellow
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named Joseph Wilde was the very first
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American British Israelite, or
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if he wasn't the first, he's the first guy who tried to popularize
9:26
it here in the first one we have any records of. Wild
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was a pastor at the Union Congregational
9:31
Church in Brooklyn. At this point, the
9:33
theory or whatever you would call it, was
9:35
fundamentally pretty harmless. But as
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it drifted through the United States from
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the frigid East to the also frigid Northwest,
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something funny happened. British
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Israelism turned racist as fuck.
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That's weird, weird,
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you know, weird weird that would happen surprising,
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Yes, surprising indeed now The
9:55
man most responsible for this turn was
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an Oregonian named Reuben eight
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Sawyer. In the late nineteen teens,
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he started writing for a monthly magazine
10:05
called The Watchman of Israel,
10:07
which was dedicated to the idea that quote,
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the English speaking peoples of today are the lineal
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descendants of the lost ten tribes of Israel
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and must fulfill in these latter days the responsibilities
10:16
decreed for them through the patriarchs and the prophets.
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So Reuben was the pastor
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of the East Side Christian Church in
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Portland, Oregon, and over the years
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he built up a sizeable British israel group
10:28
in the city of Roses. In fact, he
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was so successful at this that he left his job
10:33
as a pastor in nineteen twenty one to lecture
10:35
and write about British Israelism full
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time, well not
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quite full time. He did have one
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other side gig as a member
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of the Oregon Ku Klux Klass. There
10:47
we go,
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and you know, I love talking about the nineteen Clans,
10:55
that one beautiful wacky clan before
10:57
I got back to being terrorists,
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back when they were still hanging out at the cool Coast
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hilarious losers
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dangerous. Yeah, not the
11:09
mass murderers, um,
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although they still killed a lot of people. We probably
11:14
shouldn't laugh at them as often as we do. But I mean the Cool
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Coast Camp and the
11:19
christ Can
11:22
you imagine the pitch meeting for the Cool Coast Camp.
11:27
I can now that you mentioned, I
11:30
think someone mentioned, someone suggested, and everyone
11:32
else like, that's a great idea,
11:35
idea we shouldn't so.
11:39
Reuben was big into the clan for
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several years, and in fact he helped
11:43
sell his fellow Portlanders on it, addressing
11:45
six thousand of them on December two the
11:48
municipal auditorium. He told them
11:50
the KKK saw it quote a cleansed
11:52
and purified Americanism, where law abiding
11:54
citizens will be respected and their rights
11:57
defended, irrespective of race, religion,
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or color. So long us they make an honest effort to be
12:01
Americans and Americans only, So
12:04
that's nice, regardless of race or color.
12:06
Yeah, and that at this point
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this wasn't totally bullshit. The twenties clan was
12:10
more of a pyramid scheme than a terrorist organization.
12:13
It was racist, but not more racist than mainstream
12:15
American society. When it came to skin
12:17
color. They were, however, more
12:20
racist than mainstream Americans about
12:22
certain things. They hated the Catholic,
12:24
the foreign born Asians, and
12:27
of course Jews.
12:30
This presented an issue. Yeah, like
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we were great on a curve in the twenties. Yeah,
12:36
so suggesting that like, when you create like a
12:38
big group, inevitably
12:41
you'll have a bunch of a bunch of our groups
12:44
an increasing number of outs. Interesting
12:48
now, Uh. The effect that KKK
12:50
hated the Jews presented an issue for Reuben Sawyer
12:53
because British Israelism loved
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the Jews, at least it traditionally did, right,
12:57
Like that was part of the whole idea, was this kind of like veneer
13:00
ration of Judaism that like all these British
13:02
people wanted to be Jews as well. Um.
13:05
So Reubens started out as like kind
13:07
of being you know, on the side of Jewish people and like
13:09
liking them, but over time and exposure to other
13:11
anti Semites and the KKK, Reuben
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radicalized. In his first speech
13:16
about the clan, he brought up the Jewish
13:18
question, but made a point of noting that
13:20
some Jews were of ancient and honorable
13:23
faith, while only a few were objectionable
13:26
according to the book Religion and the Right Quote.
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By ninety two, however, this inu window
13:30
had been replaced by full blown anti Semitism
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that was as crude as it was open. Quote.
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Jews are either Bolshevists undermining our government,
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or are shylocks and financeer commerce
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who gained commanded control of Christians as borrowers
13:42
or employees. It is repugnant to a
13:45
true American to be bossed by a sheeny.
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And in some parts of America the Kikes are so thick
13:49
that a white man can hardly find room to walk on
13:51
the sidewalk. And where they are so thick,
13:53
it is Bolshevism. They're talking Bolshevism
13:56
and revolution. The transformation is so
13:58
startling that one wonders at first if it is the same
14:00
person speaking. This is back to
14:02
a quote from the book. Yeah, out
14:05
of my head listening to that. Yeah, that is a
14:07
lot of racial slurs for Jewish people in like
14:10
like a paragraph that's like all of
14:12
them. Yeah, I've run out of yikes.
14:14
Yeah yeah. Uh
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so yeah. He started out making
14:19
a distinction between like good Jews and bad
14:21
Jews. Uh and then
14:23
eventually just decided
14:26
that all Jews were terrible and ethic
14:28
Jews. Yeah
14:31
yeah, So Rubin
14:33
became a major force for pushing his fellow American
14:35
British Israelites towards anti Semitism.
14:38
In the early and midnighteteen twenties, the Dearborn
14:40
Independent, the newspaper funded by Henry Ford,
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began pushing even more extreme anti Semitic
14:45
ideas on the wider American public. It's
14:47
editor, William Cameron, was a British
14:49
Israelite. Thanks to people like Reuben
14:51
and Cameron, the category of good Jews shrank
14:53
every year, and the dangers of the bad ones expanded
14:56
to something resembling the all encompassing anti
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Semitic conspiracy theory that set Robert
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Bowers off on his rampage. From
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the late nineteen twenties to the nineteen thirties, Howard
15:05
Ran, a British Israelite from New England, became
15:07
a thought leader in the movement. His goal was
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to build it into a political organization. In
15:12
nineteen thirty three, he formed the Anglo
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Saxon Federation of America, which
15:16
claimed that actual Jewish people were not in
15:18
fact descended from Judah. By the
15:20
late nineteen thirties, RAN's ideas had evolved
15:22
to the point where he began to claim that Jewish people
15:24
were literally the children of the devil.
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If you're curious about how this went down, here's
15:29
an explanation from the website of a modern Christian
15:31
identity group. Quote. Most
15:33
that call themselves Jews today are, in fact
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the race of Lucifer through his son Kane.
15:38
Kane was inherently evil from the beginning because
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he was of Lucifer's seed. Eve was
15:43
beguiled by Lucifer and did, in the carnal
15:45
sense, lay with him and begot Kane. It
15:47
was a pair on the ground, not an apple on the
15:49
tree. Eve was deceived by Lucifer
15:51
and was led to believe that she was laying down with Yahweh
15:54
God. That's the conspiracy
15:56
theory that the
15:58
devil tricked Eve and to fucking him
16:01
and thinking that he was God. But it
16:03
was really the devil. And that's where Caine comes
16:05
from. And Caine is the father of the Jews. Well,
16:08
that all makes sense. I
16:11
love him history.
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Yeah, you can't
16:16
not put quotation marks around it in that context.
16:19
God. So Howard Rand
16:21
was the very first person to use the
16:24
term Christian identity, and
16:26
his thinking had a big impact on a fella named
16:28
William Dudley Pelley, who was, of course
16:30
the founder of the American fascist Silver
16:32
Shirts movement, who we also talked about
16:35
on an episode of Behind the Bastards, really
16:38
bringing all the hits yea like
16:41
tour. I mean, it's all culmination. It's all
16:43
called intersectional fascism.
16:45
Intersectional fascism, we're coining it
16:47
here. But the nineteen forties,
16:50
the core of the Christian identity belief system
16:52
was more or less formed. It includes three
16:54
specific ideas. Number one, Arians
16:57
are descendants of the biblical tribes of Israel.
16:59
Number two, actual Jews are
17:01
the result of the devil having sex with Eve in the
17:03
garden of even Eden. And number
17:06
three, the apocalypse is nigh
17:08
and when it comes, Arians will have to go toe
17:10
to toe with the worldwide Jewish conspiracy
17:12
in order to save the planet. When
17:14
he walked into the Tree of Life Synagogue that cold
17:16
October morning, Robert Bowers saw himself
17:19
as a soldier taking place in this great apocalyptic
17:21
battle against the Jews. Now,
17:25
Heart and his fellow Christian identity believers had
17:27
to be careful during World War Two, since their belief
17:29
system was essentially just Nazism without
17:31
the swastika, but that didn't stop him
17:33
from railing against FDR's appointment
17:35
of the first Jewish Supreme Court, Justice Felix
17:38
Frankfurter. It also didn't stop him from
17:40
opposing the admission of Jewish refugees into the
17:42
United States after ninety eight. Heart
17:44
specific beliefs were always fringe, but
17:46
they bled over into the mainstream American right
17:48
wing due to the right subsessive fear of socialism.
17:51
I like to quote next from a Great Tablet magazine
17:54
article the Bloody History of America's
17:56
Christian Identity Movement. Quote. The
17:58
broader concern of Heart and his allies in the respectable
18:01
wing of anti Semitism, liberal journalist
18:03
Kasey McWilliams called them the armchair andy
18:05
Semites of the right, was that liberal and socialist
18:08
Jews were ultimately behind the hated New Deal
18:10
and the corresponding transformations of in American
18:12
society. These armchair anti Semites
18:14
believe that admitting Holocaust survivors into the United
18:17
States after World War Two would be the first step
18:19
in dismantling the Immigration Act of nineteen
18:22
to preserve the racial character of America. American
18:24
Jews, many of whom supported easing immigration
18:27
restrictions broadly, were the boogeyman of
18:29
the nativist right, and since right wing nativists
18:31
also often subscribe to Judeo Bolshevik conspiracy
18:34
theories, opposing immigration was a way to
18:36
strike a blow against communism as well as
18:38
Judaism and preserve the white Christian character
18:40
of the United States. I just
18:42
hate this song. I
18:44
hate the song. I hate that we have to play it, yeah
18:47
all the time. It's the same song. It's not even catchy.
18:49
It doesn't have a good hunt. It's not it's a bad
18:51
song. It's just play it all the time,
18:54
a big mushpot are you
18:56
trying to say? It's
18:59
like, yeah, play encore, play it again. Let's
19:01
let's keep complaining about how immigration is
19:03
going to destroy the country like we have for
19:05
two straight years, the inflation of like
19:08
all this like anti semitism, and
19:10
then like the communism and the socialism
19:12
and the immigration, all these topics, it's
19:15
all the same. Or actually, don't pick any
19:17
of those lanes, don't pick any just get off, get off
19:19
the highway. It's yeah, pull
19:22
over, go to a rest stop. You need to sleep.
19:24
Buring your car, burning
19:26
your car, and burn your car taking nap
19:28
in the pathroom.
19:34
So from the beginning, Christian identity
19:36
connected more with the dark and violet chunks of
19:38
the far right than mainstream conservatism.
19:40
This started with the silver Shirts in the KKK
19:42
and continued into nineteen sixty four when
19:45
this peculiarly American fascist
19:47
cult met a little guy named
19:49
George Lincoln Rockwell. And
19:51
that's what we're going to talk about after
19:53
this ad pivot pivot.
19:56
Should I throw something? No, not
19:58
yet, No no, no, not not
20:00
yet. Products we're
20:08
back. I rejected
20:10
the urge to throw another thing, but I'm looking at I think
20:12
I'm gonna throw this big fistful of
20:15
silver ware packets. You showed your strength.
20:17
Thank you in that moment. Thank you, thank
20:19
you. Character counts the
20:22
best.
20:26
Yeah, these these seem safe. They're projectiles,
20:28
but they're covered in plastics. At
20:32
the amount of mess they're going to make, because
20:34
that's really going to be a lot for Daniel lidial with.
20:36
So if he says they have a cleaning staff, now, I
20:39
don't want a cleaning staff to have to deal with
20:41
it. No,
20:43
just stantal well,
20:46
the plastic, the plastic forks
20:48
and knives will be all right. That's that's not like
20:50
a mess. I wouldn't describe that as can I put
20:52
a clean sign on the door. I'm
20:55
gonna do that. Just
20:57
a little agent of chaos over here, aren't
20:59
you? Yeah? Yeah, he
21:01
didn't. Yeah
21:03
a little bit. Shucks.
21:06
I want to hear some more about
21:08
some about some fucking George
21:10
Lincoln Rockwell and the identity movement.
21:12
I don't, but I will. Yeah,
21:15
So in case some of the people listening haven't
21:17
listened to the Three Party. On George Lincoln Rockwell's
21:20
life and impact that we we talked about
21:22
earlier, I'm going to summarize his life here. Rockwell
21:24
was the founder of the American Nazi Party not much
21:26
more than a decade after World War Two ended. He
21:28
was the first post war Holocaust denier. He
21:30
was the first fascist to make money by lecturing in American
21:33
colleges and provoking fights with anti fascists.
21:35
He invented the term white power, and was in
21:37
general basically the Johnny apple Seed of
21:40
Nazism in America. Now.
21:42
Rockwall was an original thinker, a pioneer
21:44
of the tactics that fashy folks still used today
21:46
to get media coverage and play the victim. But he
21:48
came into the game early enough that he never quite
21:51
figured out how to hide his power level, which
21:53
is a term modern fascist used for hiding their
21:55
beliefs as garden variety conservatism.
21:57
Rockwell was initially somewhat anti Christian,
22:00
because you know, Jesus was Jewish, which
22:02
is something that didn't exactly play well with nineteen
22:04
sixties American conservatives. But
22:06
in nineteen sixty four Rockwell met with
22:08
Wesley Swift, leader of the Christian
22:10
Identity Church. Rockwell instantly
22:13
recognized what an opportunity Christian
22:15
Identity represented for Nazis in America.
22:18
As it stood at that point in the party's history, American
22:21
Nazis and was basically just a cheap rip off of
22:23
German fascism that was good
22:25
for triggering Jewish War veterans and civil rights
22:28
activists, but it didn't click with regular Americans
22:30
in a way that would allow it to spread. American
22:33
Fascism, Rockwell thought needed a spiritual
22:36
core, something esoteric, a little
22:38
occult, and thoroughly American.
22:41
Wherever it arises in the world, fascism takes
22:43
pieces of different spiritual traditions and hammers
22:45
them together around its central authoritarian
22:47
framework. This is part of what allows it to
22:49
spread in different cultures. Umberto Echo
22:52
identified this trait as syncretism.
22:54
Quote, the Nazi gnosis was nourished
22:56
by traditionalist syncretistic occult
22:59
elements. Most fluential theoretical
23:01
source of the theories of the New Italian Right, Julius
23:03
Avola, merged the Holy Grail with the protocols
23:05
of the Elders of Zion alchemy with the
23:07
Holy Roman and Germanic Empire. If
23:10
you browse in the shelves that in American bookstores
23:12
are labeled as New Age, you can find there
23:14
even St. Augustine, who as far as I know, was
23:16
not a fascist, but combining St. Augustine
23:19
and Stonehenge, that is a symptom of her fascism.
23:22
So obviously Echo didn't write his essay
23:24
until decades after Rockwell's death. But G. L.
23:26
R. Was such a natural fascist and such an
23:29
instinctive fearer type that he instantly
23:31
seemed to know that grafting Christian identity
23:33
onto American Nazism was going to be critical
23:35
if it was going to spread. So he appointed
23:38
Ralph Forbes, head of the California branch of
23:40
his Nazi Party, to be the party Christian
23:42
Identity Minister. For race and
23:44
nation. My favorite Rockwell biography says
23:46
this about Forbes. His strident
23:48
racial views, his flair for the dramatic, and his loyalty
23:50
to Rockwell made Forbes the perfect man for the job.
23:53
California was an ideal location. There were numerous
23:55
identity ministry successfully operating there.
23:57
Forbes would be the first Nazi officer to preside
24:00
over a flock. By fusing Christian identity
24:02
and national socialism, Rockwell hoped
24:04
to maximize the synergies of the groups and broaden
24:06
the potential membership for each group. Nazis
24:08
could find religious justification and legitimization
24:11
in the church. Identity members could find political
24:13
expression for their theology in the A and P.
24:16
A riot could now be expressed as religion
24:18
under the guise of the identity Church. The
24:20
push was on within the party to legitimize the
24:22
cause, to de emphasize Nazism and push
24:24
racial issues to the forefront. Racial issues
24:26
could be easily exploited because they preyed upon
24:29
nativist fears of the white population. Cool,
24:32
yeah, good idea. So
24:34
this is just more palatable, Yeah, yeah,
24:37
it it. It makes it more palatable, more American,
24:39
and kind of expands the breadth
24:42
that it can reach because now there's a theology
24:44
behind it after all that messiness
24:46
in Germany. Yeah, thankfully for all
24:48
of us. Rockwell was assassinated by one of his own men
24:51
on August nine, sixty seven.
24:53
We'll talk about what happened to the American Nazi Party
24:55
after his death, and more detail in the next chapter.
24:58
Right now, what's important is that Rockwell's iriage
25:00
of American Nazis and with Christian identity
25:02
took it spread throughout the fascist right.
25:05
Richard Butler, the reverend who founded the Aryan
25:07
Nations compound in Idaho, was a Christian
25:09
identity preacher. Throughout the nineteen
25:11
eighties and nineteen ninties, the Aryan Nations acted
25:14
as one of the lynch pins of American fascism,
25:16
a place where every kind of violent right wing extremist
25:18
would gather and meet and make connections with
25:20
each other. From the Aryan Nations, Christian
25:23
identity beliefs were able to make inroads not
25:25
just among klansmen and neo Nazis,
25:27
but into the American militia movement.
25:30
Tanya Telfair Sharp, a researcher with
25:32
the Journal of Black Studies, was one of the first academics
25:34
to document the spread of Christian identity outside
25:36
of explicit fascists and into the murkier
25:39
world of American quote patriots.
25:41
She documented evidence of Christian identity pamphlets
25:44
and underground literature spreading in small local
25:46
gun and knife shows throughout the country from nineteen
25:49
to nine. It had, of course,
25:51
been prominent in that world before nine.
25:54
Christian identities focus on the inevitable apocalyptic
25:57
battle between Arians and Satanic Jews
25:59
met to well with the apocalyptic fetishism
26:01
of the survivalist and militia communities. See
26:03
it's like that. That's part of why it's so naturally American.
26:07
Yeah. Gives them a reason. Yeah, it gives them arine
26:09
like quote logic for there
26:12
they're like feelings or desires and have these
26:14
like especially once the
26:16
Cold War is over and you don't have that
26:19
sort of like secular reason to expect
26:21
the apocalypse like now there's yeah.
26:25
Yeah. As Tanya Sharp wrote, both groups were
26:27
tied together by their belief that quote re establishment
26:30
of white sovereignty depends on the use of organized
26:32
aggression against the enemies of true Christians,
26:35
all non whites and all non Protestants. The
26:37
first two letters of racial Holy War make
26:39
up the battle cry. Rahawa often used
26:41
an identity speeches and publications.
26:44
Christian identity literature regularly focused
26:47
on preparing for this apocalyptic battle, which
26:49
allowed them to subtly recruit preppers by focusing
26:51
on not explicitly ideological tasks
26:53
like acquiring dried food and weaponry, or
26:56
building anti personnel traps in order to protect
26:58
woodland compounds. White Ka was
27:00
the gold mine for Christian identity. Fear
27:02
of the year two thousand brought thousands of New Americans
27:05
into the world of survivalist magazines, conventions,
27:07
and online message boards. The
27:09
worlds of the militia movement in the survivalist
27:12
communities are, of course, closely tied into
27:14
the world of conspiracy theorists. In the late
27:16
nineteen nineties, guys like Alex Jones weren't
27:18
preaching overt anti Semitic conspiracy theories.
27:21
You'd never catch him claiming Jews were the spawn of
27:23
Satan, for example, but Joan and
27:25
his ILK were major proponents of the New
27:27
World Order, the king of conspiracy theories.
27:29
Throughout the nineties and early two thousands, the
27:31
n w O took different forms in the mouths of different
27:34
conspiracy theorists. The most mainstream
27:36
and least racist version of the theory was that a secret
27:38
world government of shadowy globalists was slowly
27:40
taking over the federal government and the governments
27:43
of the world, with the aim of enforcing total
27:45
or welly in control over the populace and killing
27:47
the majority of the world's population, particularly
27:50
the Christians. The New World Order
27:52
conspiracy was again not inherently anti
27:54
Semitic or racist, but in practiced most
27:56
expressions of the theory wind up focusing on beliefs
27:59
that a Jewish led all of blacks, homosexuals,
28:01
Hispanic immigrants, and liberals was trying
28:03
to wipe out all straight white Christian Americans.
28:06
Christian identity believers introduced the term
28:08
Zionist occupied government or ZOG
28:11
into the lexicon of American fringe politics.
28:13
It took off like wildfire, leading countless
28:16
Americans on the far right, or entering
28:18
the vocabularies of countless Americans on the far
28:20
right who would never have considered calling themselves a Nazi
28:23
just Zog's Yeah, they would never, Yeah,
28:25
they never do. At first, they never Taylor's
28:28
old time guys, same thing over
28:31
again. That connection quite that,
28:33
that's where it's heading. Towards. That
28:36
is where it all heads towards. That's where Alex Jones
28:38
all heads towards. And he has had so many Christian
28:40
identity preachers on his show. They never talk
28:42
about Christian identity, but you look into
28:44
a ton of these guys and it's like, Oh, he's a pastor
28:46
of a Christian identity underlying. Yeah.
28:49
Right, you present them on the platform, and then
28:51
people watching eventually get into them, and
28:53
then they don't realize what they actually preach, and
28:55
then they get they absorb
28:58
what they preach, and then yeah, brilliant
29:01
Christianity beliefs happened to mesh perfectly
29:04
with every other extremist belief in the United
29:06
States. In the late nineteen eighties and early nineties,
29:08
tax protesting became more common. Christian
29:11
nitinity fit in with that too, arguing
29:13
that paying taxes was really just paying for the demonic
29:15
Jews to carry out their white genocide aims
29:18
even faster. In nine William
29:20
Luther Pierce, a former devotee of Rockwell
29:23
and head of a Nazi group called the National Alliance,
29:25
wrote this in a newsletter. The
29:27
truth of the matter is that the New World Order people
29:29
ultimately aimed to create a new world population
29:32
of surfs for their global plantation,
29:34
a homogeneous population of coffee colored
29:36
surfs, a population of docile, predictable,
29:39
and interchangeable surfs. And they definitely
29:41
don't want any large reservoir of white people
29:43
anywhere who might rebel. N
29:48
Now, if you take the word white out of that
29:50
sentiment, it almost word for word matches
29:52
with any one of a thousand rants. Alex
29:55
Jones has gone on Throughout the years under
29:57
Rockwell. The American Nazi Party never numbered
29:59
more than a few dozen real committed members,
30:01
and its ideas never gained any kind of mainstream
30:04
penetration. But the late nineteen
30:06
nineties American fascists were no less hateful
30:08
or violent than they'd ever been, but their rhetoric had evolved
30:11
to fit with the deep conspiratorial undercurrents
30:13
sweeping through American society. Rockwell
30:16
had shotguned out hardcore racism, and as
30:18
a result, he'd only been able to recruit a small number
30:20
of the craziest people in America, or
30:22
I shouldn't say craziest of the worst people in America.
30:25
Uh new American fascism, blended with Christian
30:28
identity, was capable of hiding out in more
30:30
moderate spaces and luring in new believers
30:32
without waiving a swastika in their faces.
30:35
Perhaps the most potent weapon Christian identity
30:37
added to the arsenal of American fascism was
30:39
the idea of white genocide. If
30:42
you spent much time studying neo Nazis,
30:44
you're aware of the significance of the number fourteen
30:46
that stands for the fourteen words we must secure
30:49
the existence of our people in the future, for white
30:51
children. This is the invention of David
30:53
Lane, a neo Nazi bank robber and for
30:55
decades a Christian identity believer.
30:58
Uh wall Lane was has moved on from Christian
31:00
identity to a weird sort of bastardized
31:02
Norse mythology rip off. Turning
31:07
this fucking Viking there now? Uh
31:09
He and other Christian identity believers in the eighties
31:11
and nineties were largely responsible for seating
31:13
the fear of white genocide into American
31:15
fascism. From Tanya Sharp's article
31:18
quote, the identity literature is
31:20
filled with negative images of white women caring for
31:22
mixed race babies. Race mixing in and
31:24
of itself is a cause for an organized and radical
31:26
plan to separate the races. The National Vanguard
31:29
magazine, a leading pron neo Nazi publication,
31:31
suggests that the cult of misgenation, which
31:33
according to them, has proliferated over the past thirty
31:36
years, has placed the white race on the precipice
31:38
of biological extinction. Furthermore,
31:40
they argued that only radical action will end
31:42
the morality of death. Now,
31:46
the urge to protect white babies and
31:48
ensure the future of the white race inspired a little
31:50
guy named Eric Rudolph to bomb an
31:53
Alabama abortion clinic in nine.
31:56
Rudolph was a Christian identity believer, and
31:58
his beliefs led him to bomb atlanta As Olympic
32:00
Park the same year, along with a gay nightclub.
32:03
Rudolph spent more than a year hiding in the woods
32:05
eluding federal agents. He killed two and injured
32:07
more than a hundred and twenty people over his almost
32:09
two year long bombing spury, and as we talked
32:12
about in the introduction to this, he also inspired
32:14
that British bomber who's built a series
32:16
of nail bombs that killed three people and injured
32:18
dozens more, which also inspired the guy who killed
32:21
Joe Cox. Almost like it's a chain reaction,
32:23
yeah, exactly, Now,
32:26
Eric Rudolph, as I just stated, was not the
32:28
last person moved to violence by this picture of declining
32:30
white race. Everyone listening to this will remember,
32:32
of course, the two thousand nineteen christ Church massacre
32:35
in which a fascist extremist murdered fifty one
32:37
Muslim worshippers at a New Zealand mosque.
32:39
That shooter did not identify as a Nazi, and
32:41
a manifesto lacked the expected anti Semitic
32:44
rambling, but he ranted at length about the threat
32:46
of white genocide and what he called the great
32:48
replacement. In between those two
32:50
terrorists are dozens and dozens of other attacks
32:52
with bits of Christian identity DNA
32:55
coded into them. John Ernest,
32:57
the Paway Synagogue shooter, did not identify
32:59
himself as a follower of Christian identity
33:01
theology, but accordinated Tablet
33:04
magazine quote. The manifesto left
33:06
behind by the Patway shooter reads like a hybrid
33:08
of classical Christian anti semitism and contemporary
33:10
white nationalism. He alternated,
33:12
within paragraph, sometimes within sentences,
33:14
from charging the Jews with responsibility for the death
33:17
of Jesus and the early Christian Saints to declaring
33:19
that Jews fund politicians and organizations
33:22
who use mass immigration to displace the European
33:24
race. The document is riddled with contradictions
33:26
and as inarticulate even by white nationalist
33:29
manifesto standards, as it moves between citing
33:31
the Gospels and the Killer's love of Frederic Chopin
33:33
with explosive hatred towards Jews. But
33:36
what it does evince clearly is a grounding and a
33:38
form of anti Semitism that's equally in debt
33:40
to older Christian traditions and more modern
33:42
secular variants centered on race and soil.
33:45
Christian identities influence in the fascist rite
33:47
is so deep and so well woven that attacks
33:50
are now carried out by terrorists who have been inspired
33:52
by its tenants without ever learning the words Christian
33:54
identity. You'll be hearing about it regularly
33:57
throughout the rest of this audio book, and I'll be sure to
33:59
point out wherever groups or individuals we discussed
34:01
or Christian identity believers. But it almost
34:03
isn't necessary. Christian identity
34:05
is now just part of the furniture of American
34:07
fascism. No matter whether or
34:10
not it's reference directly, it shows up
34:12
everywhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
34:14
it's always the same, same, kind of shades the same
34:17
means this is fascinating and horrifying. Of course,
34:19
yeah, this is just like the groundwork.
34:21
We need a delay to really get into the
34:23
story because it's all this stuff that
34:25
it's there, like you said, even
34:28
they don't necessarily know where it came from.
34:30
Or Robert Bowers is kind of rare,
34:32
and that he actually did read in the Christian
34:35
any philosophy. I don't think Ernest ever did.
34:37
But it's there. That's how it's so insidious,
34:39
Like people believe it, Like you said, they start listening
34:42
to this person talk and like they don't on the
34:44
surface understand that it has all
34:46
of these different layers to it. But then as you
34:48
get drawn in, then you're starting
34:50
on subconsciously. It's like you you
34:52
don't notice that, like Trump's references
34:55
to sorrows funding
34:57
the American Caramans and stuff, how that ties
34:59
into like Christian identity, this idea
35:01
that goes back to like the fucking thirties that the Jews
35:04
are trying to like like
35:06
replace with fund multiculturalism
35:08
in order to replace all the all
35:10
the nonsense. And if you don't you
35:12
don't need to have
35:15
read all of this too to like
35:18
know that or believe in it. You just you're
35:20
just like a piece in the the long
35:23
thread that they got. There, my
35:25
metaphor fell apart. Sorry, you just
35:28
lost confidence. You should because
35:32
we all turned and looked to you, and then I
35:34
got Yeah, the pressure from being looked
35:36
at by my familiars. Quick,
35:38
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35:40
think I'm gonna throw this packet
35:43
of silverware. So
35:46
people, do you think I should throw it away
35:48
from my dog? Uh? Yeah,
35:51
it's ready. Actually,
35:53
you just went straightforward. I was hoping
35:55
it would all. It's among the oranges. Now it's
35:58
the oranges. Well, we can use those eat
36:00
the oranges. Quite a mess, quite
36:02
a mess for Daniel. There's some tongs in there. Yeah,
36:05
there's some tongs on there. I think I threw a tong.
36:07
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36:11
oranges stay, okay, Daniel can
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