0:04

Oh yeah, woot

0:07

woot? How is it hanging?

0:10

I'm woot woot? Yeah

0:12

you know yeah what?

0:15

Oh gosh, yeah, yeah, it's

0:17

fine. Here we are with the

0:20

podcast that it is. What do you

0:22

what do you? What do you? What? Do we call this show?

0:24

It's behind the bas just and clearly you're not qualified

0:27

to host it today. So I

0:31

thought I thought this was this

0:33

American Life. Um, oh boy, oh

0:35

boy, prepared the wrong boy, how do you

0:38

Well, yeah, that's okay.

0:40

I have plenty of war crimes to go around.

0:42

This American Life. My my, this American

0:45

Life episode is way too horny to go on

0:48

this this podcast feed. Nobody would that would

0:50

not be welcome. Okay, well I

0:52

will I will send this back to NPR

0:54

and Chris you cool with taking over

0:57

today? It's be Christopher Wong and we're

0:59

we're back for Reverend Moon Part two. The Attack of

1:01

the Nazi Des Squads. Cool,

1:05

It's it's a good time. In nineteen

1:07

eighty, Klaus Barbie, the butcher of Leone

1:09

and Nazi torture Extraordinaire, was getting

1:11

nervous. French Nazi hunters were starting

1:14

to close in on his bolt hole and Bolivia, where

1:16

he tortured communists for the CIA and also

1:18

the West Germans for decades. We're still

1:20

the possibility of a democratic government to Bolivia.

1:23

Meant he faced extradition to France, who

1:25

wanted his head on the platter for, among other

1:27

crimes, killing fourteen thousand people and personally

1:29

saying to use the concentration camps. So when

1:32

Barbie was approached by a group of cocaine producers

1:34

to stay a coup against the elected government, Barbie

1:36

was in than coup, which

1:39

saw Nazis rampaging through the streets, looting

1:41

stores and warehouses and murdering people where they

1:43

stood, put General's Carlos Menza

1:45

in charge of a military dicatorship. Klaus

1:48

Barbie's coup was infamously known as the Cocaine

1:50

Coup for its cartel backing, but

1:52

Bolivion intelligence report showed another

1:54

further source of support four million

1:57

dollars from one Reverend Sung Young

1:59

Moon, Oh boy, Nazi

2:02

death squad funder extraordinair. Yeah,

2:04

I mean, and I gotta be honest as

2:06

a cult getting in with the CIA pretty

2:09

pretty smart move. I will say this.

2:12

There is actually no evidence that Moon ever

2:14

directly worked with the CIA, and this is

2:16

impressed you're if you're working for

2:19

the same goals as the CIA. Yeah, yeah,

2:21

but think it's one less thing that could fuck

2:23

you. I do think

2:25

this is an important distinction to draw because there

2:27

are a lot of sources that you will read that will claim

2:30

that the Moonies are a CIA front, and they're not a

2:32

CIA front, Like insofar as there a friend

2:34

group for anything, it's the Korean CIA.

2:37

And that's important because it means

2:39

that well, it means that there's a lot of other American challenge segencies

2:41

who like are really mad at them, but

2:44

b it means that, yeah, there their

2:46

goals are very very often aligned

2:48

with the CIA, but they're not really

2:51

a cut out for them. They have sort of

2:53

their own thing going on, and that

2:55

own thing is overthrowing the government

2:58

of Bolivia. Now Bohei

3:00

Pok, whose Moon's like invaluable

3:02

aid and translator, visits Lapause

3:04

that year and proclaimed I have erected a throne

3:07

for Father Moon in the world's highest city,

3:09

which is which is great. Okay.

3:12

Yeah, So the church also attempted

3:14

to organize a seven thousand member like

3:17

thousand strong armed at church, similar to

3:19

what they attempted to organize a Brazil and you know

3:21

this, this was there to support the coup. And

3:24

after the coup, Carlos Mezza and Moon like visit

3:26

each other and they but they this this this is this

3:28

is like around the time that Reagan got shot, and

3:31

so they spend the night praying

3:33

together for Reagan's health. Now,

3:36

fortunately for Bolivia and unfortunately

3:38

for Moon, he picked a loser in Mesa whose

3:41

government collapse amid a hail

3:43

acus and protests. You know, you

3:45

can't, you can't, you can't pick them all, you know.

3:47

Yeah, Moon has a really bad track record

3:50

picking military dictators. It's

3:52

sort of funny. But this, unfortunately

3:55

was just the beginning of Moon's career as a sponsor of

3:57

international terror and Nazi death squads.

3:59

Now, in nineteen eighty, Bohei

4:01

Pok and Kim Sung In whose

4:03

Kim Sung In is is the the former Korean CIA

4:06

station chief in Mexico City, found

4:08

an organization, the Confederation of Associations

4:11

for the Unity of the Societies of America.

4:14

And it absolutely nonsense name

4:16

that they created. Yeah, it's awful,

4:19

nothing at all. Yeah, So basically

4:22

they created just so that I could have the acronym

4:24

c I U S A. Now c I U

4:26

S a rapidly becomes a meeting place

4:29

for just the worst mass murderers in Latin

4:31

America. Uh. They held their first

4:33

meeting in the military in in Uh

4:36

Yeah. The military dictator Elsfredo

4:38

Strassner's Paraguay Bohipok

4:41

said of Strassner, quote, I believe

4:43

he's a special man chosen by God to run

4:45

his country. Strassner like did

4:47

a genocide against the Cha people and also

4:50

like did Operation Contour among

4:52

other things that when we were getting more into condor

4:54

in a second. Yeah. Um.

4:57

Also attending ci USA conferences was

5:00

Domingo Monterrasa, that the head of El

5:02

Salvador's Auto

5:04

Cuddle Battalion who is best known for doing

5:06

that occur Yeah.

5:08

Yeah, yeah, those are some war crimers

5:11

right there. Yeah. So so monter

5:13

monter Rosa interestingly is also trained

5:16

by another member of the Balti Communist League,

5:18

Taiwan, whose army also is

5:20

training death squads, like sort of parallel. I

5:22

mean, some of that you're doing it through League, some of us doing independently,

5:24

but they're also training like death squads across Latin

5:26

America. Now it's

5:29

unclear to me if monter

5:31

Rosa like actually received money from

5:33

Moon, but like basically

5:35

every other right wing like large

5:37

scale right wing organization and desquad. Now Salvador

5:40

absolutely a pretty easy guy to get money

5:42

from if you're making death squads and

5:45

we're going to go through many,

5:47

many des squads. Yeah,

5:49

and you know, so he gives a bunch of money to writing

5:51

groups to nel Salvador and they

5:53

do atrocities with it. Now we

5:56

also need to talk about Operation Condor.

5:59

So Operation Condor is an an anti

6:01

leftist assassination network originally developed

6:03

by Chilean intelligence in Eventually

6:07

it has like Argentina, Chile, Uruguay,

6:10

Paraguay, Bolivia, Brazil and also to

6:12

lesser cent like Ecuador, Peru in it and

6:15

Condor. Like if you count

6:17

everyone who was killed while Condor was

6:19

going on by like the government's

6:21

doing it, it killed tens of thousands of people, arrested,

6:23

tortures like hundreds of thousands more. And

6:27

so this is where things get complicated. Um.

6:30

A lot of Operation Condor is run

6:32

out of a group called the c a L, which is the original

6:34

Latin American section of the World Anti Communist

6:36

League. The cl IS

6:38

is founded by a group called Los Tecos, who are

6:40

a Mexican Neo Nazi des Squad

6:43

who are famous for just like showing

6:45

up the murdering leftists. Um, the League

6:48

basically like finds this group and they're like, oh, hey,

6:50

you like killing communists, and so they

6:52

test the techos with assembling

6:56

just the most bloodthirsty Latin American

6:58

de squads they can find, and you

7:00

know, they go and do this and this

7:02

is this is the basis of the organization of

7:05

like Latin America, like the Latin American part

7:07

of the world that he come in this league. Now,

7:10

the World Anti Comnist League formally expels

7:13

the c L in the early eies because they're

7:15

trying to go like slightly more legit, although they

7:17

never get rid of you know, like the Eustache

7:19

people or the Iron Guard or any of the other

7:22

like fascist groups in it. But you

7:24

know, so they expelled they expelled the cl

7:26

because people are like, hey, these guys are you know, doing

7:28

condor and assassinating people. But

7:32

it's it's it's notable that so Moon

7:34

technically leaves the League in

7:37

and he gives the speech about how the League is that he

7:39

calls it quote a fascist organization, which is true.

7:43

But the problem is that like this this is all just political

7:45

theater. Moon Moon never leaves the League, like he

7:47

makes this big speech about it, but his people still run

7:50

the League's chapter in like that. There's they

7:52

still they still run the chapter in Japan. They're heavily involved

7:54

in the U S chapter, and Moon is you know, like

7:57

Moon and his friend of organizations are still just doing

7:59

all of the like there, there's still running meetings with them.

8:01

There' still organizing with them. And Moon

8:03

also never actually disavows the cl

8:06

So the other thing that's worth noting is

8:08

that so Condor starts in n right, Uh,

8:11

they don't. The League doesn't disavow the CLIL

8:14

the mid eighties, which means that there's a lot of time where

8:17

the cl IS is being actively funded

8:20

by by the well into Communist League. And

8:23

this is where it's kind of murky, because it's difficult

8:25

to tie Moon directly to Condor.

8:28

Um. Yeah, I mean that's

8:30

generally how it's gonna be with the people who fund

8:33

death squads, and the death squads. You think

8:35

that every every other death squad, I'm about

8:37

to mention we have direct evidence of him funding Uh

8:42

maybe, so I

8:45

say this. So there's two things that

8:47

suggested to me that he did do it. One is that his

8:49

money absolutely was going to the c L

8:51

which was carrying it out because him

8:53

and Sasakaa was like a Japanese

8:55

branch other one into communist legue or one of the big funders

8:58

of the organization. So he's

9:00

he's the very least indirectly funding them.

9:03

And also Moon and his

9:05

organizations are like in tight with

9:07

They're either working with the government or the far right. It

9:10

in Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia,

9:12

and Brazil, which means

9:14

that weirdly, the only Conjura

9:16

government they aren't working with the Chile And I don't

9:18

know what's going on there because I kept

9:20

expecting Pino Chan to show up and he never does.

9:23

I don't know why Pino. She's like, he's the one

9:25

right wing leader at all of Latin America who I cannot

9:27

find any contact with Moon. It's

9:30

it's very strange start watching a movie

9:32

without a heist and yeah,

9:35

wondering where what it is the guy

9:37

from the er you know what I'm talking about, Jesus,

9:39

I can't. I'm not good with names today, Sophie,

9:41

who's the guy George Clooney Clooney, Yeah,

9:43

Alright, well, I don't know, but so pino

9:46

Chane never shows, but Moon is working

9:48

with every single other Condura government. So

9:51

there's a good enough chance that Mood is involved

9:53

in this that I think we have to mention it because

9:56

I don't know. It's like I think, like my

9:58

guess is there's like a other than his indirects

10:01

stuff through through the c L. I think

10:03

it's like a probably like a two out of three chance that he's funding

10:05

them, because that's just who he's

10:07

in with. What we do know for sure is

10:10

that he's working with General Gustavo Alvarez

10:12

Martinez, who has made the head of the armed forces in Honduras.

10:14

In one to murder a leftist guerrilla

10:16

group, Alvarez just

10:19

immediately starts torturing, murdering and disappearing

10:21

people. Uh, he also trained,

10:24

fund and equipped the contrast, which we will get back to

10:26

it a second, because poise,

10:30

Yeah, this was a beautiful time

10:32

and place to have tens of millions of

10:34

dollars because you really just could buy

10:37

armies up wholesale, send them off to

10:39

murder people and you know, mountainous

10:41

countries. It was. It was a real what

10:44

a time And the other thing about this, you know the world

10:46

is really your oyster because so, you know, the

10:48

drug trade exists, right, but the drug trade is not

10:50

bringing in like quite as much money as it's

10:52

going to buy like the like the the late eighties and nineties,

10:55

so and so it WHI means that like, you know, you

10:57

you you're like random cult actually has

10:59

enough money to like you know,

11:02

like you know you you can outbid the drug dealers.

11:05

Basically, um.

11:07

Yeah. So Moon like looks at

11:09

Alvarez's government and he's

11:11

like, okay, I'm I'm like, I haven't in here,

11:14

and so he goes to Takushi Galpa to

11:16

like start preaching about theologically resisting

11:18

communism, which just means, you know,

11:20

being the implication Church. And

11:23

there's an interesting thing here where this

11:25

is a period where a lot of Latin American right

11:27

wingers are turning away from Christianity

11:30

because they're they're they're washing

11:32

deliberation theology turn in

11:34

in in the Catholic Church. And

11:37

they see this and they go, Okay, well, the you

11:39

know, the Catholic Church is getting you know, it's

11:41

it's being infiltrated by communist is coming soft on communism.

11:44

Like a lot of these sort of like leftist like

11:46

Catholic priests are you know, running like

11:48

running through aun militia groups. And so

11:51

the right wing in Latin America starts looking for like

11:53

another like another religious thing they can get into,

11:55

and Moon is like, hey, it's me. Look,

11:57

I have a church. We're Christian sort of kind

12:00

of don't don't look too closely at the

12:02

I'm the Messiah behind the mirror. Yeah,

12:05

but this works pretty well. And

12:08

you know, he has Bohei pawk hand Alvarez

12:10

at check for fifty dollars um.

12:12

Alvarez hilariously is forced to return the check

12:14

after the Episcopal conference in Honduras is

12:17

like, hey, why are you taking from the money?

12:19

Who why you're taking money from a guy who literally

12:21

claims to be the Messiah, and they get like

12:23

they get really mad at him, Like

12:26

if you actually think about what he says about

12:28

God in Jesus, it could be awkward

12:30

to take money for this guy, yeah, you

12:32

know, and shout out, you know,

12:34

okay, like like we

12:37

have to give credit to the Hondurans here because in

12:39

the US this is not gonna happen.

12:41

Like in the US, the Christians are just gonna

12:44

like take They're just they're gonna take moves money hand over

12:46

fist. But the hundredions are like, no, we're

12:48

drawing the line at the Messiah guy.

12:51

But you know this, this doesn't know keeps

12:54

working with Alvarez. He just you know, gives the check back.

12:56

But unfortunately Alvarez gets sacked

12:58

by you get sacked by the govern and after the

13:00

FBI reveals a conspiracy by Alvarez

13:02

and his allies to overthrow the government

13:04

on the behesse of drug dealers, which you

13:06

know sounds suspiciously like another coup

13:09

don't have talked about today. It's he

13:12

keeps getting involved in the same coup and

13:14

it keeps either like it keeps just not

13:17

working. It's just like it's it's

13:19

it's pretty incredible. Um. Now,

13:21

undeterred, Moon continues to spend an enormous

13:23

amount of time and money in Honduras preaching anti

13:26

communism through democratization, which is

13:28

again hilarious from a guy who has multiple

13:31

times on record saying that democracy

13:33

is favored by Satan. But you

13:35

know, welcome to the cold Ward ye.

13:40

So, and now now we come to the mother

13:42

of all Cold War conspiracies. It ran contract

13:45

because yeah, it turns out Moon due to ran Contra.

13:48

So alright, to set

13:50

the stage a little bit. Inineteen seventy nine,

13:52

the US backs and most editatorship was overthrown

13:55

by a revolution that left the left

13:57

wing Sandinist does in power and

13:59

the Santinis to start doing things like, you

14:01

know, nationalizing all of Samosa's

14:03

lands and you know, like promoting public education.

14:06

And the US looks at this and goes, we need to murder

14:08

literally every single person involved with this. Yeah.

14:12

Yeah, So so, you know, opposing the Santinistas

14:14

are this group called the Contra Revolutionarios

14:16

or the contrast. Now, even before

14:19

Congress, you know, does Commerce

14:21

eventually starts banning like that puts

14:24

a ban in on all all US funding

14:26

of the contrast because the contracts are doing things

14:28

like murdering babies and blowing up in silos

14:30

to start the population, you

14:32

know, death squads stuff. They're

14:35

they're really like your death squads, don't

14:38

it's yeah, there, you know, I will say

14:41

this. Then the contrasts, Well, okay,

14:43

I want to say that contracts are bad by death squad standards,

14:45

and that's true, but also like the other death

14:47

squads are, We're gonna get to the Guatemalans

14:50

in a bit, and oh my god. Also the South

14:52

of Salvadorian National Guard is doing is yeah,

14:54

I mean when you're when you're death squads,

14:57

there's really it's not necessary to like kind

14:59

of apply the romance or

15:01

the moral differences

15:04

between them. They're all when you hit that

15:06

death squad level, you're a death squad.

15:08

You know. Now, cia

15:11

USA, which is that frank group Moody Franco. But I

15:13

talked about earlier starts contracting

15:15

like a bunch of Contra leaders to offer them to

15:18

like help unite the contra factions. Um

15:20

Fernando el Negro Chamorro, who's one

15:22

of the major Contra leaders, goes on a Moony

15:25

sponsored trip with other Contra leaders, and

15:28

Chamorro like turns down the money

15:30

because he's like, I don't want the strings attached with it. But

15:33

a lot of other Contra leaders, including Stedman

15:35

fog Off, like take tens of thousands

15:38

of dollars in cash and just like tons of food

15:40

and supplies um from

15:42

Moon and and the cia USA basically keeps

15:44

Stedman and like the other contra fact factions

15:46

like in the fight like long enough,

15:49

you know, because all these all these factions like they get their

15:51

ci a buddy like turned off right and

15:53

they're they're in a real crisis, and Moon keeps them

15:55

in the fight until the RAND contract could kick in, which

15:58

is horrifying because like Moon, like

16:01

Moon is directly responsible for

16:05

everything that's going to happen in Nicaragua,

16:08

like from this period on, because if he's

16:10

not fundy, these guys like these guys, a lot of these groups fall

16:13

out of the war. But you know, he's the he's

16:15

there to bridge the gap. And yeah,

16:18

before we fully get to a RAND contract that there's one more

16:20

thing I should mention, which is that there's some evidence

16:22

that people American

16:24

students from the like the Churches student

16:27

movement, like there's some evidence they fought for the contras.

16:29

Um. I can't really confirm

16:32

it. There seems to be credible evidence

16:34

that like individuals went to go fight

16:36

for them, but it's unclear if it's like a

16:38

mass thing the church was promoting for it was just

16:40

sort of an individual thing. We do

16:43

know the Church claims to have been sending people into Nicaragua

16:45

to like preach, so who knows.

16:48

Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things if you raise a

16:51

large group of people to believe that like, this

16:53

is a fight that they personally need to be involved

16:55

in, and like a bunch of them go over and

16:57

fight. It's a great way to make

16:59

that. It's a thing we saw it. We see with like Rhodesia,

17:01

where it's like, well did this organization send fighters,

17:04

No, but they created propaganda that

17:06

convinced people to go fight there. Yeah. Yeah,

17:08

actually this this this didn't make it into

17:11

the into the cut of the episode, but his newspaper,

17:13

The Washington Times big Rhodesia fans also

17:16

also big. It was.

17:18

It was the short Yeah. I I couldn't

17:20

find anything about him directly funding them, but yeah,

17:24

he's he's on their side in principle.

17:27

Okay, so now when you talk about

17:29

a rand contract, and I'm gonna do like

17:31

the shortest version of a round contra anyone has ever

17:33

done. So there's four parts. Part

17:36

one is Oliver North gets ten million dollars

17:38

from the Sultan to Brunei, who is the world's most

17:40

feted out monarch, and then his secretary

17:42

puts the money into the wrong bank account and lights it on

17:44

fire. So just some randoms. Was banker gets ten

17:47

million dollars that can't get the money back and the soldan bru

17:49

sold It's

17:52

funny because the soldier Brunei is he

17:54

is the most CIA guy, like outside

17:56

of the CIA that has every and even he was

17:58

like, you just put ten billion dollars

18:00

in the wrong bank account, Like I'm not going to give you anywhere money.

18:04

The North great.

18:07

So part part two, after that part

18:09

plan fails is Oliver North

18:12

basically is secretly negotiating with the Iranian

18:14

government to covertly buy Americans to sell

18:16

the Iranian government American missiles

18:19

and then they're gonna they Part three is

18:21

they take the money they get from selling those missiles

18:24

Um and they put it in like a black ops slush

18:26

fund and they move them money to the Contrast. Now.

18:29

Part four is creating a cover story for

18:31

where that money came from. And then

18:33

Moon is neck deep in part In Part

18:35

four, um Bohei Pok gives a hundred

18:38

thousand dollars to all of the North's Nicaraguan

18:40

freedom funds, a fund also backed by pot

18:42

of Lum's soldier of Fortune magazine to

18:46

say good time, and the

18:48

Moon is also like they start they set up their

18:50

own fundraiser for the Contrasts and they know they're

18:52

they're also working with the Anti Communist League's

18:54

uh fundraisers, Logistics Networks,

18:56

and the Anti Communist League.

18:58

One is the is the is big one that that

19:01

Reagan uses to go, oh hey see all this

19:03

mude ciabody we're pouring in this not that's not from

19:05

the CIA. See this this is a grassroots anti

19:07

communist campaign. And you know, I mean

19:09

like and they do actually raise some money. It's just that they don't

19:11

raise it ran contra money

19:14

now not content to just do Iran

19:17

Contrah. The movie sent a fake

19:19

priest to testify you before Congress, claiming

19:21

that the Sandiniss were dressing up as contras and

19:23

doing false flag massacre massacres

19:25

and just courages just credit the contras. That

19:29

seems possible. That's got to be what's happening

19:31

for sure. Absolutely,

19:33

yeah, so this is so so she this

19:35

guy claims to be from the Catholic Church, and the Catholic Church

19:38

is like, this is not one of our guys and so

19:40

and he's like no, no, no, I'm I'm from I'm from the Orthodox

19:42

Catholic Church. And everyone's like what And the author

19:45

Castolic Church apparently is this like it's

19:47

this group in like, uh are

19:49

they people who thought Vatican two went too far

19:51

and like the church has gotten cooked. It's

19:53

it's weirder. They're like this really

19:56

weird, like like like very

19:58

old like splinter faction with eight people

20:00

in it in like uh in

20:02

like Scotland for some reason, and

20:05

likes it's unclear if he's even involved with them.

20:07

But what they do find is a bank account with

20:09

like a bunch of money in it that one

20:11

of the French organizations that this guy was mysteriously

20:14

paid. So that was fun Um.

20:16

And the other thing that they do is c

20:19

USA produces a pro contrat documentary

20:21

film called Nicaragua Was Our Home that

20:23

airs on PBS in to

20:26

draw up support for the war. Lee

20:28

Shapiro, who's the dude who made the film

20:31

and a fanatical Moon supporter who graduated

20:33

from the Unification Theological Seminary

20:35

because oh yeah, the movies have a school now and act

20:38

they have multiple schools, like there's just multiple

20:40

colleges and thing. I mean, yeah, you get a cold

20:42

that you do have to start directly

20:45

training the children at some point, yes, sure,

20:47

yea so s absolutely.

20:50

Lee is killed near Cobble

20:52

Well, embedded with has Villas

20:54

Lammy just to make a propaganda film

20:56

about the bush headide Now you know what

20:59

to go off. King absolutely

21:01

get killed by Hesba and Afghanistan

21:03

or Afghanistan

21:06

HESPENISLAMI is like probably the worst of

21:08

the Africans of the actual Afghan Mujadin

21:10

factions. Yeah, it's not a good one. Yeah.

21:12

Yeah. During the civil war, just

21:15

in the shelling of Cobbal alone, they kill at

21:17

least twenty five thousand civilians.

21:20

Like it's there, and it's it's interesting

21:22

because so le Le like goes out into

21:24

Afghanistan like trying to find some trying

21:26

to find a Bushakan group whople let him

21:28

work with him, and all of the bush groups are like

21:30

no, Like

21:33

yeah, because I don't know if you know this about Mushahideen

21:36

in general, but if you say, sometimes

21:38

God's wrong and I tell him and he's like, ah,

21:40

stupid made. This is why I go to you, buddy.

21:43

You know, if that's your religion, a

21:45

lot of Musa Hideen might have issues with you. Yeah.

21:48

And the only people who were who

21:50

will take him are are

21:52

the worst, the worst people

21:54

in the time court. Okay,

21:57

there's an angl here that I couldn't find

22:00

direct evidence of. But like, so this is

22:03

he's ebitted with the faction that's like being backed

22:05

by Pakistan. And there

22:07

there might be some kind of incredibly convoluting anti

22:09

communist angle there. I wasn't able to find

22:11

it, but just guys involved with literally

22:13

everything. Ever, if

22:16

you're sending guns to Afghanistan,

22:18

you're one of the bad guys. Now does that

22:20

mean that basically everyone involved in Afghanistan

22:23

for the last forty years have been the bad guys? Absolutely,

22:26

it's it's

22:28

it's a lot of shitty people sending guns

22:31

to Afghanistan and sometimes soldiers

22:33

and usually for bad reasons. Basically

22:35

always for bad reasons. That's Afghanistan.

22:38

Yeah, so yeah, of course the will Into

22:40

Communist League is sending funny to them and

22:42

sending sending funding to them. And Lee Shapiro's death

22:44

is literally the only thing that stops the USA

22:47

from just making another propaganda film and having it

22:49

aired on BBC PBS.

22:52

Now, lest you think we're done with the desk

22:54

Squads, USA is

22:56

behind the bastards promise we make

22:59

can ever at the Death Squad there's so many

23:02

so so Yeah. The USA also a

23:04

propaganda media tour for Rio's Monster

23:06

Kadership at Guatemala. Oh boy,

23:08

Carlos Rios Mont. Yeah,

23:11

Rios Mont is most notable for like successfully

23:14

doing a bunch of genocides. I guess indigenous population

23:16

to Guatemal definitely didn't there.

23:18

There are entire peoples who are

23:20

just gone. They killed every single one of them. They are

23:22

languages that don't exist anymore. There are towns

23:25

that still won't let the military back into this

23:27

day because of the genocide. Yeah, I mean, like

23:29

like there are it's horrifying.

23:31

Like there's one of one of my friends, uh didn't

23:34

didn't like it was an anthropologist who worked with

23:36

a community who they so they

23:38

managed to everyone else around them had been killed

23:40

the genocide. They managed to survive and they're the last people

23:42

on earthho speak their language and they survived by just running

23:45

on foot through the jungle and they made

23:47

it. But you know, they they

23:48

they they like you know, they

23:50

live in this horrible slum and they can't

23:52

speak Spanish and they're

23:55

the last people left of you know, their their

23:57

their entire people who have been around for thousands

23:59

of years. Because killed all of

24:01

them. And it's it's horrifying. Yeah,

24:04

it's it's pretty bad. And moons, moons

24:06

doing propaganda tours for their for their des squads

24:08

and also funding them. It's yeah,

24:12

I mean, are you really

24:14

a right wing ship head? Though? If you're

24:16

not backing Rio's mont,

24:19

like, are are you actually do you deserve

24:21

to even call yourself like a violent

24:23

right wing extremist if you're not back in that guy?

24:25

I will say, like, there are a lot

24:27

of right wingers who like back riot

24:30

like rhetorically, but like the Moon Moon puts

24:32

his money where his mouth is, like you can you

24:34

you can never not say that like

24:36

when when? When? When? When there was

24:39

a fight against communism and when they were babies

24:41

to be killed? Like no one on

24:43

earth can say that Reverend Moon did not did

24:45

not do his parts in murdering those babies.

24:48

He made sure there's not as many babies. And you know what,

24:50

every time you don't spend an extra five ten minutes

24:52

in traffic, thank you, Reverend Moond,

24:55

Thank you for making there be less

24:57

people who are alive to drive cars

24:59

and stop me from getting to the sparrow. You

25:01

know what else is makes there be less

25:03

people alive to drive cars?

25:06

Products and services that support this podcast,

25:09

Oh oh yeah, the highways. Yeah, Washington

25:12

State Patrol and coke industries.

25:14

And for sure, I

25:16

mean with their island where people hunt children,

25:18

they really go out of their way to decrease

25:20

the surplus population. Okay, here's

25:23

ads, We're

25:29

back, Chris, please go ahead. So

25:31

Moon also has like another front

25:34

group that he uses that does

25:36

basically the same thing as c I USA, but like

25:38

it just does media tours um

25:40

and they they run these like

25:42

quote unquote fact finding trips uh

25:45

that included interviews with the leaders

25:47

of Namo and Mozambique, Udida and Angola,

25:50

Swappo and the Namibia

25:52

and Solidarity in Poland. Now those

25:54

of you who know your Cold War will realize

25:56

that Unita means Jonasavimbi

25:59

not sees is the Maniford episode in the Dawn

26:01

of Time is back on the pot and

26:05

yeah, yeah,

26:08

man from fucking Guatemalada.

26:11

Angla's incredibly he's really hitting

26:13

all of the hits of like right

26:16

wing fuccory in in this period

26:18

of time. He's he's he's doing a whole fucking

26:20

Bengus. It's really very impressive.

26:23

It's very impressive, I will say. So, I don't

26:25

know if any evidence that he directly funded either Solidarity

26:27

in Poland or swappo in

26:29

in uh in Abia,

26:33

but through through a

26:35

web that is like elaborate even by Moon

26:37

standards. And I'm not gonna explain the whole thing because

26:39

it's it's I I turned into the like I turned

26:41

into the pinboards meme, like conspiracy

26:44

meme, trying to like track all of the funding

26:46

sources down. But he

26:49

does seem to have funded both Namo

26:51

and Savimbi just like directly.

26:54

So that's fun. And

26:57

to to finish off the desquad gantlet we

26:59

need to talk Cambodia. Oh

27:03

boy, man that

27:05

that is honestly not maybe not

27:07

one of the death squads I necessarily expected to

27:09

see him getting involved with. So throughout

27:11

the late nineteen seventies, Pulpots troops

27:14

were busy making like a series

27:16

of the worst military decisions in human history.

27:19

Uh, they decided that they were going to launch a bunch

27:21

of cross border raids against Vietnam,

27:23

and just like massacre a bunch of Vietnamese civilians,

27:25

now the Vietnamese

27:27

army. By by by time of nine

27:30

seventy eight, they have beaten back to back at the French,

27:33

the Japanese, the French again, the US and

27:35

in one year their B team is about to

27:37

go blow for blow at China. In the conventional war, Pulpos

27:40

Army does not have a centralized commanding

27:42

control structure. So Pulpos

27:44

Army looks at this and goes, no, no, no, We're

27:47

going to be the ones who succeeded

27:49

where every single other empire on Earth has failed.

27:51

And they start this war with Vietnam.

27:54

And Vietnam invades

27:56

nineteen seventy nine and they just blow the Cambodian army to

27:58

pieces um. But they

28:01

they do a thing I think everyone who lives in

28:04

the US knows

28:06

well, which is they get stuck in a nation building quagmire,

28:09

which you know, well, you

28:11

know it happens to everybody. It's like throwing

28:13

your back out, you know, everybody

28:16

at some point. You know, if you're

28:18

if you're funding death squad, you're

28:20

gonna wind up locked in a quagmire

28:23

of a war. You know. You know. I will say I'm

28:25

not getting around it. I will say this for Vietnam, like,

28:27

Okay, if if there's one government

28:29

ever that it was like, this is a good idea

28:31

to go in and knock them off, it's pullpot

28:33

like oh for sure, yeah, like you

28:35

know, but but this becomes a problem with them because you

28:37

know, they're trying to set up a state and it

28:40

doesn't look Vietnam.

28:42

Vietnam proves that there's something about

28:45

being a state that makes you want to

28:47

get involved in another state ship and start

28:49

a quagmuyer you know, not that

28:51

Like again, like you said, somebody

28:54

needed to do something. It is just funny

28:56

to see Vietnam go do a Vietnam on cambody

29:00

out. I don't know, there's

29:02

no lesson there, because the lesson certainly isn't

29:04

let guys like Pulpot don't think

29:07

pays don't please don't take This is me saying,

29:10

ha ha, what fools the Vietnamese where Yeah,

29:12

but it's just like I will say that

29:14

this is the lesson from this is that if you're

29:17

going to go invade a country and knock off pull Po, you

29:19

actually have to kill Paul Pot put like that

29:22

would say killing and something in

29:24

general, some people should have done this.

29:26

This is a problem because you know, the other thing happens

29:28

is that a bunch of camer nationalist groups

29:30

pop up um and one of these

29:32

is called the camer People's National

29:34

Liberation Front. Now Moon

29:38

does propaganda for and direct support to

29:40

the Camere People's National Liberation Front. Now

29:43

there's one problem now, and he's doing this because

29:45

you know, this is an anti Vietnam group, right, But

29:48

there's one problem with the

29:50

Cammere People's National Liberation Group as

29:53

as as an anti communist group, which is, you know, other

29:55

than the massacres, which they don't care about. The

29:57

problem is that the camer Pop's

30:00

National Liberation Front is part of the coalition government

30:02

to Democratic Kampuccia.

30:05

Now, Moon is is pushing

30:07

for the coalition government at Democratic He's

30:10

like they're they're trying to get there, trying to maintain their seat

30:12

at the Cambodius of the u n H.

30:15

The problem with them is that the most powerful member

30:18

of this coalition is pull pot. So Moon

30:20

he is directly funding well, as I started, is

30:22

indirectly directly running propagandi form, indirectly

30:25

funding pulpot What a great anti

30:27

communists love to see

30:29

it. It's yeah,

30:31

it's it's real bad. Yeah,

30:35

yeah, he's he's funded Pulpot. Now,

30:38

well, I mean, look, who's among

30:40

us has not given I've

30:43

never given this, look,

30:45

Chris, you can't say that because it could happen

30:47

here is sponsored entirely

30:51

by King Nora Dame Shanoak,

30:53

who funded pol pots so in a way

30:56

as we as we sell the

30:59

former king of Okay, I don't really

31:01

I lost I lost a handle of this. This is

31:03

when you jump in so this is okay,

31:09

all right, well Chris please continue.

31:11

So you know, there's kind of like a

31:13

secular limit that you hit, right, Like

31:15

there's a certain point in which just the amount

31:18

of time you have, the amount of money you have is such that

31:20

you can't, like you can't fund

31:22

literally every death squad. That

31:25

is something I've often mourned in my own life.

31:27

But you know, you fund the desquad, you

31:30

can. Yeah. But but but there's a way around this. And the way

31:32

around this is you fund the American government. Well

31:35

now, so as a taxpayer, I do back

31:37

a lot of death squads. Yeah. So, but

31:39

you know, there, there's there, there's there, there there's a political

31:42

angle that that that lets you increase the

31:44

bang for your death squad. Buck. Um.

31:46

So there's a guy named

31:49

Richard Viguery. I'm butchering

31:51

his name because he's Italian. I also don't respect him.

31:53

Um. He he is the man

31:56

who basically created the modern right

31:58

out of the wreckage of the very Goldwater camp. Um.

32:00

He's famous for taking a list of twelve

32:03

thousand people who donated more than fifty dollars

32:05

to the campaign in nineteen sixty four and using

32:07

it to create a mailing list. Now, this

32:09

is a revolution in American politics. It

32:11

allows that's the whole fucking

32:13

eighties, and he's

32:16

doing it in the sixties. And this allows him to to

32:18

to fundraise and mobilized activists that an

32:20

unimaginable scale. Look this, this is this is Facebook

32:22

before Facebook, and they're sending

32:24

these old people letters that say things like

32:27

babies are being harvested and sold on the black

32:29

market by planned parenthood clinics and

32:31

cool it's Twitter. Yah, It's it's literally

32:34

invented Facebook, and

32:38

old people react exactly the same way old

32:40

people react now to Facebook. And so VG

32:42

area is that just the absolute cutting edge

32:44

of thee at the cutting edge of the mailing list. He's using computers

32:47

to like keep track of the mailing lists. Uh,

32:49

and you know he is. He is building

32:52

the infrastructure that will make the baking revolution

32:55

possible. Moon is funding him as

32:57

early as nineteen sixty five through a scam

32:59

that involves set ing up radio towers to broadcast

33:01

propaganda to North Korea. Um

33:04

He also gives Vigieri nine hundred

33:06

thousand dollars to a fake charity in nineties

33:09

seven, and then bails him out again in

33:11

the eighties by buying Vigary's office

33:13

building for ten million dollars and then putting

33:16

him in charge of the accounts of the the

33:18

American Freedom Coalition, which is a mooney

33:20

group that's invented to like defend all

33:22

over North Now, while

33:25

this is happening, mooney point man

33:27

Gary Jarman was running an organization

33:29

called The Christian Voice, which was one of the first political

33:32

organizations to put Vigieris new fundraising

33:34

system to the test. In nineteen eighty

33:37

two, they outraised every single other

33:39

conservative fundraising group. To have to put this into perspective,

33:41

Jerry Farwell's like new Moral Majority

33:44

pack raises twenty two thousand

33:46

dollars in his first year. That same

33:48

year, the Christian Voice raised four

33:50

hundred and ninety four thousand, seven

33:52

hundred and twenty two dollars. And these

33:54

guys, the Christian Voice is terrifyingly powerful.

33:57

In the nineteen eight election, they target thirty two races

33:59

and they beat twenty two incumbents. This is

34:01

how Yeah it's bad. This is you know,

34:03

this is the infrastructure that built a Riggan revolution

34:06

and it is funded by Reverend Moon. Yeah

34:09

it's bad and and you know, not not

34:11

content to simply fight at the ballot box. Moon

34:14

runs anti communist campaigns on college campuses,

34:16

including a anti communist newsletter,

34:18

which is actually he has it's like newspaper thing

34:20

that you know how every like trust skate group and I feel like weird

34:22

communist group like passes out newspapers on

34:25

campus. Moon is like, what if we did our

34:27

own but they were anti communists. So he has all

34:29

of his like followers on campus like passing

34:31

out these newspapers, and so you get all

34:33

thesely like all of the cults are like lined

34:35

up next to each other passing. It's a

34:39

you've talked about, but it's just the outstanding

34:41

amount Like it's just like unfathomable

34:44

amount of money that he funds

34:46

so much. The outreage he's

34:49

hit. He's the first. He's the only real

34:51

quote leader that I'm aware of that is

34:53

on that l run Hubbard level where they hit

34:55

this certain point early in their career where it's

34:57

like where did their money come where they will they have infinite

34:59

money. Yeah, there's there's no they have. They have as

35:02

much money as they need. They

35:06

have all of the money they could ever spent, like

35:08

which is a scary thing for a cult leader to get

35:10

to God. It makes me miss Allary rage. He didn't

35:12

fund any death squads. He just threw kids

35:14

off the boats like a row like Moon

35:18

is Moon is like like what what if you

35:20

used l run Hoverard for just like pure

35:22

evil. It's tragic to think of ul Roun Hubbard's

35:24

legacy being used for the evil. Yeah, and

35:26

you know, and I was sat like so like part part of how he's funny,

35:29

this is like part of it is just you know the colt like

35:31

the cult is literally a pyramid scheme, right, and that he

35:33

has all of these businesses. He also has Sasaka

35:35

was like literally infinite yakism

35:38

money from from Japan. He's getting k c

35:40

A money, He's getting money from all

35:42

just like he keeps There's

35:45

like a couple of times where he takes over banks

35:47

in Uruguay and then just like takes all of the money

35:49

from them and then the bank goes under, like he just

35:51

just like multiple times he's all the landing. There's

35:53

everything that I didn't fit in the episode.

35:56

I think I should talk about a little bit, which is that like there's

35:58

some evidence that like in the Night, like the night he he got

36:00

into the drug trade because he starts buying all

36:02

of this land that's like on the kind

36:05

of drill wells, like, oh,

36:08

yeah, he's the cocaine train, he says, he's

36:10

he'sould be like buying the border crossings that cocaine

36:12

moves through and in like Bolivia, And yeah,

36:14

it's there's no hard

36:16

evidence of that, but like no one, I means, but there's no other

36:18

reason why you're buying all that land, or if

36:21

you are backing multiple death squads

36:23

in Latin America to the tune of tens

36:25

of millions of dollars, I'm sorry, but

36:28

I don't. I can't believe you're not moving

36:30

blow Like I refuse to accept

36:32

that that's possible. And yeah, I mean it's

36:34

it's it's one of those things that there's so

36:36

many threads of Moon were

36:38

like you know, some of the threads, like I like I

36:40

pulled on the desk squad thread and I found that he was funny,

36:42

and some of them like there

36:46

seems to be a lot of investigative journalism like still

36:48

to be done on this organization because like

36:50

the cocaine threat is I mean, it's it's the people

36:53

all encompassing. Yeah, Like

36:55

it's it's hard to it's

36:58

hard to think. It's impossible to imagine

37:00

that. Like people know the bottom of this at the moment.

37:02

Yeah, it's it's it's it's

37:05

bad. So

37:07

but you know what's not bad, Chris

37:09

and services that

37:12

that support this podcast. Products

37:15

and services are always uh,

37:18

you know, Chris, A lot of people

37:20

say some of our products and services back

37:23

death squads themselves. I don't agree with

37:25

that. I think one of the beautiful promises

37:27

that the Raytheon Corporation has for the world is

37:29

a future without death squads because robots

37:32

can kill those people from the sky.

37:34

Chris, that's the sky. To

37:37

pen a bunch of soldiers who are funked

37:39

up on cocaine and math amphetamine, to

37:42

gun down a bunch of children in a village,

37:44

you just bomb it from the air the

37:47

drone. There's a real risk here, which is we're

37:49

cutting the legs out of the child soldier industry.

37:52

I know, but you know, look, disruption

37:54

has to come for every industry. Eventually,

37:57

one day you and I will be replaced with a

37:59

robot that perfectly mimics Joe Rogan's

38:01

voice. Um, and like

38:03

that. You know, child soldiers are going

38:06

to be replaced by drones. But

38:08

we can still honor the legacy

38:10

of the child soldier industry by having

38:12

little kids pilot those drones because they're

38:14

better at video games. That's true. It's Enders

38:16

game. We've proven it mathematically. Yeah,

38:18

Ender's game, but entirely

38:21

targeting poor people in the global South.

38:23

That's the promise of Raytheon. Al

38:26

Right, here's some other ads. Oh

38:33

boy, Chris, we get a lot of money for those Raytheon mid

38:35

roles. I mean, we just we just

38:37

that's that's our that's our salary for a while.

38:40

My man. You want to continue

38:42

on with this, uh, this enlightening story of

38:44

good times? Yeah? So so. The the other

38:46

thing that Moon's doing on college campuses is he's running

38:48

a network of spies to spy on leftist

38:50

activists and giving the information to conservative groups.

38:54

This is like, this

38:56

is like this is thing like this, this

38:59

should be like for like

39:01

any other organization. The fact that you're running

39:03

a network of college campus spies to

39:05

Tom

39:07

through in a list like twenty things, each

39:10

of which if a guy had done one, that would make

39:12

them a worthy subject of this.

39:14

This fi network has one sentence

39:16

to my script. Yeah one, it's it's

39:18

it's the second half network, which

39:22

because you've gotta breeze

39:24

over l Ron Hubbard's summoning the Antichrist

39:26

with sex magic and you get his biography because

39:28

there's just too much going on many

39:31

so you know

39:34

so and of one the reason why I'm brushing

39:36

over this is that um,

39:38

ininety two moonfounds probably

39:41

the single most important American institution you ever found,

39:43

The Washington Times. Um

39:45

here's Bohey Park, the Times corporate president,

39:47

describing why The Times was created. Quote,

39:50

it is a total war, basically a

39:52

war of ideas, war of mind.

39:54

The battlefield, this

39:57

is the battle. This is where the battle is fought.

40:00

Son. In this war, the entire thing

40:02

will be mobilized political means, social

40:04

means, economic means, and propagandistic

40:06

means and basically trying to take over the

40:08

other person's mind. That is what the Third

40:11

World War is all about. The war of ideology.

40:14

Oh so he's yeah, he's doing a fourth generation

40:16

war thing. Yeah, yeah, he's yeah, he's

40:18

he's very much kind of thinking, honestly

40:20

on the same side as william S. Lnd Um.

40:22

Okay, that's Scans. Yeah, now this

40:24

is this is Reagan's favorite newspaper. He has

40:26

his paper delivered to his office every single morning

40:29

and he reads Christ in Heaven And absolutely

40:33

enormous number of right wing journalists have passed through who

40:35

over the years. So this is I mean, it's the name.

40:37

I it's very familiar. I'm sure everyone

40:39

listening to this is run into a Washington Times

40:42

articles like

40:44

like the half of their business is people

40:46

like on social media mistaking them for the Post

40:49

and it's like yeah, yeah, you know, and and

40:51

so you know, there's a thing sayings all

40:53

this like fairly. It was like this like a week or two ago, uh,

40:56

the Washington the Washington Times like published

40:58

an article calling basically screaming

41:01

about like calling the CCP like I think

41:03

it's a termite infestation. And it was like

41:05

like, oh, there's these termites in the in our society have to

41:07

be eliminated. And I'm like, well, so this is like but

41:11

yeah, I just I just looked at the

41:13

Washington Post and the Washington Times website

41:15

next to each other. Almost identical fonts

41:17

for the names, like deliberately almost identical

41:19

fonts for the names. And I think people,

41:22

I don't know, people, people, people look at the

41:24

Washington Times doing something like that, You're like, oh my god, look at

41:26

the end office, Like, yeah, these guys, like these

41:28

guys are so much worse. Like this, this is this

41:30

is the this is the newspaper of a cult. Yeah,

41:33

much like the Epoch Times. Yep, yeah, except

41:35

yeah, I mean this, you know a lot, a lot of what's

41:37

happening here like like like this,

41:39

like the Moonies are just a better, like a more successful

41:42

version of the Falling Gong in a lot of

41:44

ways. I mean they do. One of the big differences

41:46

would be that the Falling Gong, as

41:48

terrible, as a lot of things about them are, legitimately

41:51

has suffered repression and stuff like yeah,

41:53

as opposed to these guys are fully

41:55

the state is on board with them. Yeah

41:58

yeah, And well I okay, so the UI State.

42:00

We'll get to that in a second. Um, But you

42:03

know, so, I want to especially mention

42:05

some of these people. David Brooks gets to

42:07

start in journalism as a writing

42:09

movie reviews for them, like

42:11

Patty Cannon is an ex Washington Times

42:13

columnist. That makes sense, and

42:15

they basically like invent the

42:17

modern style of right wing journalism, Like these

42:20

are the Times, like some of the first people to do the war

42:22

on Christmas, Like they basically invent

42:24

that. And you know, I want

42:27

to you know that they have a very disturbing analysis

42:29

of this. Um, I want to read one of their this

42:32

is this is a poster that was made by one of the

42:34

their affiliate groups. Because they have about

42:36

a trillion news is available

42:39

through more media than ever before and for twenty

42:41

four hours a day, much of it sounds the

42:43

same our media giving people the facts

42:45

they need in the twenty one century. Is

42:47

the media's traditional role of reporting facts

42:50

even still relevant? Is it time for

42:52

the media to become guide dogs instead of watchdogs?

42:55

So, and what they're guiding people

42:57

to is white nationalism. The Times

42:59

is extremely racist, incredibly pro pro

43:01

Confederate, and they publish a bunch of literal Nazis

43:04

um Francis booth count.

43:08

Yeah. But but but I mean, like like people who are more explicitly

43:10

Nazi than pat U Cannon, which is

43:13

fairly impressive. Yes, because he's written

43:15

the whole book defending Hitler. Yeah, so

43:18

so Francis Booth Coombs, who works

43:20

at The Times, frequently he was he was like, he was

43:22

like, they're one of their head publishers, and he frequently

43:24

published his wife, who's the other main thing

43:27

is rife rights for his storm front. Awesome,

43:30

it's amazing. So here here's from the

43:32

Southern Poverty Law Center. In one opinion

43:35

piece in The Times, Coombs describes the whole

43:37

of of human history as quote the

43:39

struggle of races. Non

43:41

white immigration, she wrote in another column

43:43

is importing poverty and revolution

43:46

that will end in the eventual loss of American

43:48

sovereignty. In England, Muslims

43:51

are turning life in this once

43:53

pleasant land into misery for its native

43:55

inhabitants. It's real,

43:57

like and this is this is just one example that I've pulled

43:59

out. Are dozens of people

44:01

at the time to write stuff exactly like this. It's

44:04

horrifying. I've talked a bit before

44:06

about the Defender of Djer. They're they're huge,

44:08

huge defenders, are a part tight in South Africa. They

44:11

are Yeah, it's it's it's

44:13

you know, it's it's. It's one of the worst institutions

44:16

in the US and they in a lot of

44:18

ways it's like it's they kind of serve a role

44:21

sort of similar to what info Wars does, right, where

44:23

like you have this one sort of they they'll

44:25

they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll do the Alex Jones think

44:27

right, They'll they'll they'll pick a headline from another news source

44:30

completely misinterpreted, turned it into an outraged

44:32

machine, and then they'll feed you to the right to the rest of the right wing press

44:34

and it goes through like Fox News. Yeah, but they're they're

44:36

kind of more like bright Bart and that there they camouflaged

44:39

themselves as more legitimate. And then

44:41

also like you know, especially with Reagan, like they just directly

44:44

have access to the president because this is their favorite magazine,

44:47

like this this is this is Reagan's favorite newspaper.

44:49

And you know, one of the other things

44:51

they do is so the Korean

44:53

government, uh, there's there's there's

44:55

there's a pro democracy uprising in the

44:58

city at Guansju, and that they make this commune. It's

45:00

it's one of the sort of incredible revolution stream moments

45:02

in world history, and the

45:05

Korean government just murders them, absolutely

45:07

butchers them um and the Times

45:10

does propaganda like you know, Times runs

45:12

cover for the Korean government. And this is so bad

45:14

that even like the other right wingers

45:17

at the times just resigned in mass because they're

45:19

like, I, I won't be a part of

45:21

this, Like the South Korean government literally murdering a bunch

45:23

of protomocracy protesters, that

45:26

that order to defend the South Korean

45:28

government comes directly from the top, It comes directly from

45:30

Moon, it comes directly from Bohepok, and

45:32

they're trying to protect the new South Korean government

45:34

after the k C I a shop performer dictator

45:36

Perk Chung he in his bunker, which is

45:39

a story that I will tell like another

45:41

time on this podcast. South Korea

45:43

deserves as much time as

45:46

North Korea. Yeah there, I'm

45:48

working on episodes, but

45:50

yeah, we will tell that later. But you know,

45:52

Moon is just directly running

45:54

in inference of the fact that like his bosses just

45:57

murdered the president now

46:00

does right weight media blitz isn't just an American

46:02

affair. Moon is putting on newspapers across

46:04

the world, including the Sergey Times in Korea,

46:07

the Middle East Times in Cairo, and Sekai

46:10

Nepo in Japan. Now Sakai Nipo

46:12

is fun because they directly advocate

46:14

for Japan invading Manchuria again,

46:17

which yeah, because it went so

46:20

well last Yeah, it's great. And you

46:22

know that this is where I'm talking about. You know that the whole thing about

46:24

how they about how the Mooney's run that

46:26

scam where they make people like

46:28

pay indulgences for all the war crimes that Japan

46:31

did in Korea. Oh boy, They're

46:33

advocating for them to do it again. It's

46:35

it's great. Well, I mean God forgave them so

46:38

kind of like graspute and believed you got to get back in there

46:40

and start sending again. Yeah, well, he's not going to

46:42

forgive. I should I should specifically

46:45

mentioned this. God does not forgive Tojo. Moon

46:47

forgives Tojo. Well yea personally

46:49

someone a little more powerful than God, and

46:52

Moon is just much much better than God. I

46:54

think Moon would agree. Yeah. Now, Moon's

46:57

increasing hold over the media was tested in Japan

46:59

when Yoshi Kazu sho Jima, a former

47:01

churchman, attempted to fight like a full scale

47:04

church takeover of Sakai Nepo

47:06

in Japan. Now Moon sends

47:08

in the Yakuza from the book Inside

47:11

the League on the first of October about

47:13

a hundred people, including about thirty and special

47:15

karate training groups, barged into

47:17

the papers offices. They broke this pretty

47:20

papers and beat up some of the employees.

47:22

On second of nineteen eighty

47:25

four, so Jima was attacked outside his home

47:27

in Tokyo and stabbed repeatedly, according to

47:29

police reports. When the attack occurred,

47:31

he was preparing an article critical of Moon Man.

47:34

Can't one team of like karate soldiers

47:37

be sent into a place and not in the I

47:40

I'm going to do an episode at some point about karate

47:42

because it's so fucked up. But one of the

47:44

things that one of the things is important to note is that the World Karate

47:47

Federation was founded by Sasakawa, the that

47:49

that Japanese fascist and one of Moon's lieutenants.

47:51

So yeah, all the karate people like

47:54

huge supply of bodyguards for South Korean dictators

47:57

are well. I guess I'm gonna have

47:59

to go to cross mcgaff for an unpro problematic

48:01

martial art. Time to google KRAG

48:04

for the first time. You know, it's it's

48:07

bad now. So while

48:09

all of this is happening, like this is you know, this this is some ways

48:11

is move moment of triumph. But there's

48:14

two disasters that strike. One

48:16

is the death of his seventeen year old son huang

48:19

Jin. Now this is a major problem from Boone

48:21

theologically because he has written that people

48:23

can only reach the Kingdom of Heaven if they're married.

48:26

So naturally, what kills his son's dead? He's

48:29

driving an suv on an icy road and

48:33

yeah, well he wasn't.

48:36

Well he's just like is not is a seventeen

48:38

year old and it's not good at driving an ice and okay,

48:41

yeah he I don't there's there's no evidence he got murdered.

48:44

Uh So, So naturally Moon solves the

48:46

problem of his son can't go to heaven because he wasn't

48:48

married by marrying the dead huang

48:50

Jin off to Bohey poks daughter Hudson

48:52

Pac. I mean potentially

48:56

a great deal because you don't have to deal

48:58

with a lot of the traditional downside of marriage.

49:00

Yeah. Hun Sun Park later

49:03

said that the experience was quote like being

49:05

emotionally raped. So

49:08

yeah, not good. I'm gonna I'm gonna

49:10

wait an extra second before

49:12

the Chris, Yeah, it's it's

49:14

not good. Um yeah, and this is like

49:17

while this is going on, like what while while

49:19

Moon's having his deskquad adventures, Like there's

49:21

just still a bunch of horrible stuff happening at your personally

49:23

in the church. Um yeah, I don't

49:26

have a good segue from this and so what I'm about to read. So

49:28

Moon also said about Huang Jen's death, if

49:30

the sacrifice of huang Jin Nim

49:32

had not been made one if either too

49:34

great calamities could have happened. Either

49:36

the Korean nation could have suffered a catastrophic

49:39

setback, suchach invasion from the North, or

49:41

I myself could have been assassinated, Which

49:44

I think it's a secret where

49:47

he's like, my son has died. How

49:49

do I spin this? How do I spend this? Uh? Yeah, if

49:51

he hadn't died, Uh one, if

49:53

two equally bad things gonna happen, I could

49:56

die or North Korea could invade.

49:58

And I'm just like and he's consistently do doing

50:00

the thing that you're not supposed to do

50:02

as a person. Um like say

50:04

that God thinks that you're better

50:06

than God, or say that well,

50:09

at least it was my son that died and not me,

50:11

Like these are like real big

50:14

but um, but it's just cool. It's fine, that's

50:16

that's great. It's it's a good time. Um.

50:19

Yeah. So Moon's other problem is with

50:21

the law. Moon gets indicted

50:23

on a number of in the US because he died on

50:26

a number of count related to the fact that literally everything

50:28

he does is indescribably illegal, and the government

50:30

is trying to sort of trying to get him on tax charges.

50:33

Um Moon. Like, Moon loses this case

50:35

and gets convicted of conspiracy, obstruction

50:37

of justice, and perjury. And it's important to

50:39

remember what he's convicted of because even

50:41

before Moon is convicted, he launches

50:44

this massive advertising complain complaining that

50:46

he's like he's being religiously and racially

50:48

persecuted by a government that hates religion, and

50:50

there's like this cult obsession and it's just that they don't they

50:52

just don't understand his new religion.

50:54

And this works to nish to SUSA

50:57

gives a speech defending him. God

51:00

at look, You've brought up a lot of

51:02

frustrating names, but that's the first one that made

51:04

me a'm God damn it. Lawrence

51:07

Tribe shows up to argue that this whole prosecution

51:09

is an attack on the First Amendment and the government is

51:11

going after him for holding church money, his own money.

51:13

In the same account, which is like a standard practice

51:16

for small churches. Uh tribe.

51:19

Okay, so the

51:21

a c l U is involved in this. I've seen conflicting

51:23

accounts as whether it was just the New York chapter

51:25

or the entire ac LU, but some

51:28

of the a c l U, the Southern

51:30

Christian Leadership Conference and the National Association

51:32

of Evangelicals. I'll argue that if Moon is convicted,

51:35

the government will like come after churches everywhere,

51:37

So we have to defend Moon now. And

51:39

of course none of this ever happens. Yeah,

51:42

no, this is, none of this ever happens. There's

51:44

no persecution ever because it's all lie. Moon

51:46

is put in prison, if you remember, for obstruction

51:49

of justice, perjury, and conspiracy,

51:51

not tax evasion, right, Like he's not, that's not what he

51:53

goes down for. It Like he goes down because he's

51:55

running an enormous money laundering operation

51:58

that is smuggling money in the socks

52:00

of ballet dancers to move yakas in money to Latin

52:02

American death squads like that. That's what he's actually

52:04

doing with this, and that's a crime.

52:07

Now, we don't let that happen in America.

52:09

But this is a thing. Like to this day you can find

52:12

conservatives on on forum post talking

52:14

about how like like like the like the rational

52:16

skeptic people will be like Moon

52:18

was like unjustly prosecutors Like no, they

52:21

they he got off like so easy

52:23

for the number of crimes. He's like, dude,

52:25

Shane saw it hit him in half, It wouldn't

52:27

have been an unjust prosecution like

52:30

she like like this guy, this

52:33

guy ran Koreans like ran

52:35

Korean ci influence operations

52:37

on on sitting American senators.

52:41

Yeah, this is like a dullest level piece of ship,

52:43

like just let it happen. No.

52:46

Nevertheless, Jerry Farwell and Tim Lahay,

52:48

founders in the Moral Majority, joined

52:52

and and they argue that he's being persecuted

52:54

by sexular humanists, which

52:57

is their version of cultural

53:00

Marxism. It's great. Yeah,

53:02

yeah, the original term was pagan statism

53:04

actually, and it's gone

53:06

through a few permutations before

53:08

we hit cultural Marxists, which seems to scan

53:11

best now. Yeah. Hey,

53:13

it takes five thousand dollars from Moon and creates

53:15

the Coalition for Religious Freedom, which is like focused

53:18

on defending Moon. Um. Jerry

53:20

Farwell, who had denounced Moon as a devil,

53:22

praying on American children in speaks

53:25

at a banquet run by c I USA five

53:28

and sits on the Coalition for Religious Freedom's board,

53:30

and you know, pre I mean it's okay,

53:33

yeah, Like prison turns out to have been like an incredible

53:36

boon from Moon. It lets some like completely you

53:38

know, because he were like Moon Moon

53:40

in the seventies, he is like one of the most hated figures in

53:42

America because I was like, oh, he's the cult guy. And

53:45

by the mid eighties, he you know, he's

53:47

he's gone, he's completely rehabilitated

53:49

his image and he's now like fully integrated into

53:52

the into the Christian right. And

53:54

it's in crimes

53:57

crimes and an enormous amount of money

54:00

and you can do whatever, you can

54:02

fund every desk on Earth now. But back in

54:04

the church, things had taken an extremely bizarre

54:06

turn. Um in the summer of nine, church

54:10

leaders heard that Moon's dead son

54:12

huang Jin, had returned to Earth in the body

54:14

of a church member from Zimbabwe, Cleopas

54:18

Kudiona, was accepted by Moon as a reincarnation

54:20

of huang Jin whose body who spirit

54:22

possessed his body. Um Moon

54:25

like ap points him as like a church inquisitor,

54:27

and so he would go around like beating church members

54:29

until they like confess to something they did

54:31

wrong. And it's apparently

54:34

really brutal. He like beats priests and their wives

54:36

unconscious. There's a there's a story about him. Like

54:39

he takes out a gun and just like starts shooting bullets

54:41

into a pool and then orders everyone to go

54:43

like pick up the bullets from inside the pool. Um.

54:46

Yeah, and he even he even beats Bohei

54:48

Pawk like so badly that Pac has to go to a

54:50

hospital to have like fluid drain from his brain.

54:53

And this is the point at which Moon

54:55

is like, I've had enough of this

54:57

man. Yeah, and he

55:00

he has my son beats one lass

55:02

guy than that. Yeah, And so he declares

55:05

that the huang Jin spirit has

55:07

left the body of Hung

55:11

Jin comes back to life to just beat

55:13

the ship out of some people and then

55:15

goes right off to the spirit realm again. Ye

55:18

incredible day. It's It's wild.

55:20

One of the funny things ones like this is like there

55:22

are so many church leaders who are just like randomly showing

55:25

up with like bruises on them. They're like one of their like American

55:28

like pretty prominent American followers

55:30

is like convincers, like communist plot going on

55:32

to like disrupt the leadership with the church,

55:34

and it's just the other things that they

55:37

call him black huang Jin. It's

55:40

okay, it's bad. I mean, okay.

55:43

Also really Scan is bad

55:45

within the context of the episode. Well, so

55:47

I should briefly talk about there's

55:50

there there's like a there's like a so Moon

55:52

is like a big like racial unity

55:54

guy. So like like you know, he he like he

55:56

was promoting integration in the seventies and yeah,

55:59

yeah, yeah, I mean is actually a number of really problematic

56:01

guys who during the conversations

56:03

and integration were on the right side. We could talk

56:06

about the fucking um um oh

56:08

you know the kool aid do what do you college

56:10

Jim Jim Jones. Yeah, but but but but but I will

56:12

say, so Moon is lying about this. Moon does not

56:14

actually believe in racial quality. He

56:17

in his like inside the church, the racism

56:20

from the death squad guy. Yeah, there's

56:22

there's this like internal hierarchy basically like

56:24

people in the church and it's like Koreans are on top,

56:27

and then I think it's like Japs people and then white people and then

56:29

like black people are on the bottom, and there's like there's

56:31

there's some there's some racism stuff going

56:33

on there. Uh yeah, I didn't write enormous about

56:35

about it because there's so many death squads

56:37

and we still haven't even gotten

56:39

to the next thing we're about to get to, which is

56:43

uh Kim Il Sung. So

56:45

yeah, Moon Moon ironically lives to see

56:47

the death of communism like in the Triumph

56:49

of the Market economy, literally everywhere except

56:51

for North Korea well, which is

56:54

yeah, still keeping on. Yeah,

56:56

but you know, he's the Moon is convinced

56:59

that like collapses coming any day now is like the brilliant

57:01

wall falls and the other stars imploding. And the

57:03

Moon begins secret talks with North Korea, and

57:06

later that year she's finally able to meet Kimmel

57:09

Sung and return to return to North Korea for the

57:11

first time since the Korean War. Now

57:13

Kim Il Sung has uh

57:16

like has like Moon's childhood home like

57:18

refurbished, and Moon goes to visit

57:20

his home and then they have this like meeting where

57:23

they like they like, they like hug it out and

57:25

Kimmel Sung says, let us forget the past.

57:28

Most important now is the future. Um

57:32

the defense Intelligence Agency claims

57:34

that Moon paid millions of dollars to a secret

57:36

overseas bank account to get the meeting and secure future

57:38

investment rights. I don't know if that's true.

57:41

The only evidence were the only sources of Defense Intelligence

57:43

Agency, so they might just be lying. It might

57:45

also be true. But whatever

57:47

happened, it works. Kimmel, Sung and

57:50

Moon we're now in business together. Moon invests

57:53

somewhere between fifty and sixty million dollars

57:55

into a joint North Korean South Korean

57:57

car company called peng Kuan Motors,

57:59

and was it allowed the extremely rare privilege

58:01

of like putting up corporate billboards in North

58:03

Korea for this company. And

58:06

here's a fun quote from from

58:08

Church stands. The North Korea

58:10

stands are gonna billboards

58:13

and the socialist paradise so here

58:15

here's a fun quote from a church officer,

58:18

Uh Park Song Quan, who's the head of

58:20

the joint venture. We are bound

58:23

to succeed. There are no unions, low labor

58:25

costs, the workers are very clever,

58:27

very quick to learn, and they are harshly

58:30

controlled by their superiors.

58:33

Paradise Church, I thought, is the one

58:35

your revolutionary ideology.

58:38

I've always said that Sophie will tell you. I

58:40

say that to her every day time, like all

58:42

her in the room of the night, screaming it at the top

58:44

of my lungs.

58:47

He's also like investing in Vietnam and China

58:49

for like similar reasons, neither

58:51

of whom seemed to have any objections of taking money

58:53

from a man who had their former comrades literally

58:55

burned alive. I mean, look, once

58:57

you get to the point where people have a lot of money,

59:00

nobody actually believes anything. It's

59:02

great. It's great. So

59:07

yeah, the other thing Moon is able to do

59:09

is he The Washington Times gets the

59:11

first, like the first interview with any North

59:13

Korean leader in the Western pressent twenty years,

59:16

and the Times basically publishes like a puff

59:18

piece praising Kimmel Song. So, you

59:20

know, you might be asking yourself, how does this

59:22

dude who has literally spent his entire career

59:25

being full of munism, how

59:28

is he justifying allying with Kimmel Sung. And the

59:30

answer is that he justifies it by calling

59:33

it a triumph of his sheer power to fuse

59:35

together himself and his enemy Kane,

59:37

enable God and Satan yinon Yang,

59:40

and even his own followers are like, no,

59:43

like, leave this because he's basically saying,

59:45

well, is the only problem with communism

59:47

was that they didn't like me, but

59:50

now they like me. And it's funny

59:52

because he is like one of the largest

59:54

like funders of the North Korean economy. Stay,

59:58

he's like the big people putting

1:00:00

money into it. It's it's incredible, um

1:00:02

and you know, and this is you know, but

1:00:05

but you know, his followers leaving the church is

1:00:08

kind of a theme from Women. The Moon in the nineties

1:00:10

and the nineties a kind of a rough time for him. George

1:00:12

H. W. Bush, who was a big enough Moon

1:00:14

supporter to tour Japan and Argentina with

1:00:16

him, you know, losing the election,

1:00:18

and Moon claims this is a result of Bush

1:00:21

refusing to sign papers calling Korea the

1:00:23

Country of Eternal Peace, supreme over

1:00:25

all other nations. It's like, yeah,

1:00:28

he didn't make me king, so that's why he lost. But

1:00:31

he starts pivoting to try to be like a civil rights

1:00:33

leader, and he forms this thing called the Women's Federation

1:00:35

from World Peace, which argues that women's liberation

1:00:37

is submitting traditional gender roles. And

1:00:40

then he also starts paying a bunch of old civil rights

1:00:42

leaders to back him and like courting these like socially

1:00:44

conservative black churches. And you

1:00:46

know, while he's doing this, he also bails out

1:00:48

Liberty University for three point five million dollars

1:00:51

when he thinks no one's looking.

1:00:52

It's great, it's

1:00:54

great. He's baid out Liberty University.

1:00:57

But in Unstuckhong

1:01:00

publishes a book called in the Shadow of

1:01:02

the Moon's My life in the Reverend

1:01:05

Sun Young Moon's family, Nonsuck Hong

1:01:07

is the wife of Moon's first

1:01:10

son, like for Someng with his wife Steve,

1:01:12

who's Steve last scene threatening to

1:01:14

rape and kill another woman

1:01:17

for having a child with Moon. Yeah

1:01:19

he's great. So Steve Moon is

1:01:21

a problem child. He can't be disciplined,

1:01:24

he drinks constantly, and he just wants

1:01:26

to be a rock star in South Korea, which

1:01:28

normally I'm on board with, like, I don't know, son of a

1:01:30

called leader, I just want to be rock star. Um.

1:01:33

Moon is mad about this because he's

1:01:35

like, okay, well, my son needs to lead the church.

1:01:37

So his plan is to

1:01:40

get a successor back in line is to marry him off to

1:01:42

the fifteen year old non Sukong, apparently

1:01:44

on the logic that having a wife who's young enough to

1:01:46

be easily controlled wul turn him into a proper patriarch

1:01:48

or something. And so yeah, it's bad. I

1:01:52

Hung is basically just like

1:01:55

like just Steve treats treat her as

1:01:57

a servant. Um she has to

1:01:59

like can food every morning, and you

1:02:01

know she she talks about this time like basically

1:02:04

like smiling and being cheery every day before

1:02:06

crying yourself to sleep every night. Um Hung gets

1:02:08

pregndent, I think for the first time at seventeen,

1:02:11

and she has she eventually has five kids.

1:02:13

On what we're pregnant with the fifth kid, she can

1:02:15

rent Steve, who's been doing literally millions

1:02:18

of dollars of cocaine, like he is he is

1:02:20

like defrauding. Yeah,

1:02:23

that's pretty rad. Look, no, no notes on

1:02:25

that guy. Yeah, so the problem

1:02:28

with this is that you

1:02:30

know he is like not helping raise

1:02:33

his sons and daughters.

1:02:35

And so um Hung like

1:02:37

confronted about this, and she tries to flush

1:02:40

some of the cocaine down the toilet. And here's how

1:02:42

the New Republic describes what happened next. Steve

1:02:45

quote smashed my face fast,

1:02:47

his fist into my face, blooding my nose

1:02:49

hung later recalled, he wiped my blood

1:02:52

on his hand and licked it off. Taste

1:02:54

good. He said, this is fun. It's

1:02:57

yeah, it's it's not good.

1:02:59

Um yeah

1:03:04

yeah, like's just licking

1:03:06

the blood off his hand and saying, this

1:03:08

tastes good, this is fun. Like what

1:03:11

it's yeah, I mean, yeah,

1:03:14

it does, yeah, Steve.

1:03:16

Steve then threatens to kill her baby and like keeps

1:03:18

on beating. Here, she shares from an interview

1:03:21

she gave a CBS is sixty minutes. He

1:03:23

beat me so severely I thought he would kill the

1:03:25

baby in my womb. He made me clean

1:03:28

up the spilled white powder from the floor, even as

1:03:30

you continue to beat me. Later he would

1:03:32

offer religious justification for beating me half

1:03:34

senseless, a woman seven months pregnant. He

1:03:36

was teaching me to be humble in the presence of the Messiah.

1:03:39

Yeah, yeah, that's um. That's

1:03:41

unfortunately a really common line of

1:03:44

like you talked to people who are in kind of like homeschooling

1:03:46

colts and you know, raised

1:03:48

in sort of like to train up a child kind of bullshit.

1:03:51

Like, Yeah, there's a lot of justifications

1:03:53

for child abution, special abuse in different

1:03:56

Christian sects that are like, well,

1:03:58

this is I'm humbling you. You have to be

1:04:00

humble for God, and like yeah,

1:04:02

it's horrible and you

1:04:04

know this is this is this. But the reason of this book

1:04:06

and the interviews, um,

1:04:09

like Hog is actually like she's she actually she's able to

1:04:11

get away from Moon and she's able to live her own life. I

1:04:13

mean, like people like church members like

1:04:15

keep continuously calling her and like stuff

1:04:17

like that happens. But she's able to get out and she publishes

1:04:20

his book. And this book does like enormous damage to Moon

1:04:22

because you know, here's this guy who's

1:04:24

supposed to have been like like he's you know, he's

1:04:26

supposed to have been him. He's the most he's literally the Messiah,

1:04:28

and he's he's to him and his children are like his children

1:04:30

supposed to be be the first generation of new perfect children and

1:04:33

this is what they're doing and this is really bad for the church.

1:04:36

Um So Moon begins to change his strategy

1:04:38

once again. His new plan is he's going to get

1:04:41

the US to crown him king. Okay, okay,

1:04:43

how did that go? In two thousand four, Congressman

1:04:46

twenty six ambassadors to the US and like

1:04:48

five hundred other dignitaries gathered in

1:04:50

the Dirkson Senate Office Building. According

1:04:53

to one description of the events, Republican

1:04:56

Roscoe Bartlett bowed before the couple

1:04:58

and Democrat Danny Davis

1:05:00

carried out one of the two golden crowns that

1:05:02

were placed on their heads. Wait what. Moon

1:05:05

then informed the audience that kings and presidents

1:05:07

had declared him humanity savior and

1:05:09

that Jesus, Buddha, Hitler, and Stellin

1:05:12

had been reborn as new persons to his teachings.

1:05:15

Wow,

1:05:17

it turns out did that make it into anybody's

1:05:19

like campaign? And it's trying to unsee these

1:05:21

guys that seems like there was like

1:05:23

I feel like he even today, if somebody

1:05:25

in Congress did that, a lot of folks

1:05:28

would There was like week

1:05:30

everyone was like, oh hey, all all these

1:05:32

senators went to a went to a ceremony

1:05:34

with they literally crowned this guy king and everyone

1:05:36

was like, he gives us money, and just nobody cares. Yeah,

1:05:39

yeah, look it was a metaphor, but why are you

1:05:41

asking he gives his money? So so apparently

1:05:44

he bribed a bunch of these people to

1:05:46

be there by giving them gold watches. The

1:05:48

Congressman's show up and are like, wait,

1:05:50

hold on, I thought we were just giving him an award. Why are we

1:05:52

crowding him king? And

1:05:56

like the American press is just like this is a curiosity,

1:05:58

okay, whatever, Yeah, some signs its crowns,

1:06:00

sung set, crown, Reverend Moon

1:06:03

King. I feel like the one

1:06:05

thing we all lot and clearly we can't, but

1:06:07

the one thing Americans should generally agree

1:06:09

on is don't crown people king. That's

1:06:12

like the whole thing that we were against. But

1:06:14

no, like, this is this is

1:06:16

what like, you know, this is all at changeable. Guess why it gets

1:06:18

so mad about the fact that, like, like

1:06:20

the fact that we support Saudi Arabia. It's like, there's

1:06:23

one principle, can

1:06:26

we not one thing? They keep doing

1:06:28

it bad, they keep making kings and

1:06:32

so yeah, and this is this is like this is

1:06:34

an internally this is an enormous propagandic

1:06:36

couper Moon um. You know here like literally

1:06:38

leaders of the United States bowing to him and crowning him

1:06:40

king and so Moon like retreats

1:06:42

to a palace modeled aft the Capital model after

1:06:44

the Capital building that he is constructed in Korea. After

1:06:47

taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from bushes

1:06:49

faith of government money by the way, from bushes

1:06:51

faith based initiatives. It's

1:06:53

great now, you know, but by by the time you

1:06:55

get to the late two thousands, Moons how this is failing.

1:06:57

He has I think he gets cancer. Um. His

1:07:00

daughter in Jin Moon starts to take over the church

1:07:02

around two ten UM. She takes

1:07:04

over through a bunch of incredibly

1:07:07

complicated political maneuvering.

1:07:10

I'm not going to get into here, but she's

1:07:12

able to take control of most of the

1:07:14

church, but not all of it. And this is important

1:07:17

because her so she's able to take control

1:07:19

of like like the organization that's the church, right,

1:07:22

but she's not able to take control of the holding

1:07:24

group that they fundel all their money through.

1:07:26

So the jillions of dollars she doesn't

1:07:29

have access. Yeah and well

1:07:31

yeah, so that the show company goes to her brother

1:07:33

Preston, who does Mark

1:07:36

Yeah why yeah, I mean he

1:07:38

okay, like he's not the worst

1:07:41

of the family branch, but he like he basically

1:07:43

takes the money and he sets up like a

1:07:45

new church with the same theology, except without the

1:07:47

like the Moon family members. As Messiah's um

1:07:50

engine calls him, quote a fallen Adam

1:07:52

being controlled by Satan, and Preston

1:07:55

says like basically the same like similar

1:07:57

things about her, and this is the first

1:07:59

of like a myriad of fractures that would consume

1:08:02

the church as Reverend's health declinity lost

1:08:04

control. The good news is that

1:08:06

if you're that guy, if you're the guy, even

1:08:08

God is like this, dude knows what's up.

1:08:11

Um, you're probably not going to have anyone who's

1:08:13

capable of being that bold. And they have

1:08:15

to be after you know, although

1:08:18

replacements just almost certainly not going to be

1:08:20

not going to have that kind of hunt. I mean, the other

1:08:23

they don't do that. Well, okay, engine just terribly

1:08:25

she she her thing is you know, so the probably by

1:08:27

doesn't sime. You're you're in the Obama years, right, like the

1:08:30

golden age where there were no problems not.

1:08:34

What I will say though, is that this is actually like this

1:08:36

is the first time that the church hasn't

1:08:38

been able to write a cultural shift because you

1:08:41

know, like like the war majority stuff,

1:08:44

it's like as a politics kind of like

1:08:47

like but I mean, you know, Obama like it's kind of dying,

1:08:50

like I mean, it's still around, but like it doesn't. That's

1:08:52

like that that that kind of right wing, like like

1:08:55

the pure the Christian version of it, Like

1:08:58

it doesn't fully you

1:09:00

emerge again until Trump and then when

1:09:02

it doesn't, when it comes back on to the trumpets, it's you know, like it's

1:09:04

it's it's like a more fascist

1:09:06

like version of it. And while they're trying to write this

1:09:08

transition, they screw up. Um.

1:09:12

And she like attempts to modernize the church. So she

1:09:14

gets rid of all like the old hymns and chanting, replaces

1:09:17

them with like guitar hero and ping pong

1:09:19

tournaments and shustle. She launches a

1:09:21

rock band called Sonic Cult. And

1:09:25

and she she she even is like, oh, we should

1:09:27

encourage kids to like have a role in choosing their

1:09:30

partners. Um, this is an apocall

1:09:32

disaster for the church. Internal church documents

1:09:34

show that church membership in the US drop from

1:09:36

twenty six thousand to seven thousand and two months.

1:09:40

She's like, wow,

1:09:43

that is like, yeah, that is that

1:09:46

is that is a pretty pretty quick

1:09:48

fault. Now when when when

1:09:50

Moon finally dies in Moon's

1:09:53

wife just like almost immediately

1:09:55

outserved by so engine had had

1:09:57

a child out a wedlock. Um, and

1:09:59

that's like that's like literally the worst sin you can

1:10:01

possibly do in the church. And so she

1:10:04

like reveals this and engine just like disappears.

1:10:07

Um. But you know even after this coup that

1:10:09

the church continues to fragment. And

1:10:12

the most famous of these breakaway shards

1:10:14

is huang Jin Shan

1:10:16

Moon's breakaway Faction, which is now known

1:10:18

as the Air fifteen Church for conducting rich

1:10:21

rules and Marriages Air fifteen. Yeah.

1:10:24

Yeah, so it's interesting. This is an

1:10:26

interesting faction because you know, he doesn't have like

1:10:28

Sean doesn't have either the money of like Preston's

1:10:31

breakaway Church, nor does he have the connections that

1:10:33

like the main churches, because you know, I mean the main church are

1:10:35

the people who hold on to leadership in like South

1:10:37

Korea, they hold on to it in in like in Africa,

1:10:40

they hold mon to South America the whole aunts Japanese

1:10:42

branch in particular. But what

1:10:44

Shawn's faction does have is car

1:10:48

arms. She's

1:10:52

yeah, so so he so

1:10:55

he chooses, like you know, with with car arms

1:10:57

and you know, with with with this sort of like

1:11:00

thing going on, he chooses like publicity sounds

1:11:02

rebuild his membership. So you know, he he dawns a crown of

1:11:04

bullets and rallies around like

1:11:06

Revelation to seven, which says

1:11:08

he shall rule them with a rod of iron. It's it's very

1:11:11

like, you know, this is a lot, and knowing that the

1:11:13

news like obviously it's gonna look Sonettie,

1:11:15

that the news will go crazy over it and then yea

1:11:18

a boom attention economy. Maybe. Yeah.

1:11:21

And you know what, Shawn isn't totally without

1:11:23

connections and resources. Um, both Steve

1:11:26

Bannon and Patriot Prayer founder Joey Gibson

1:11:28

show up to one of his events, and I think Steve

1:11:31

Bannon is a connection Joey Gibson so

1:11:34

much. Not so much. I do up

1:11:36

Joey Gibson though, because well, joe

1:11:39

in the fact that he controls car arms all

1:11:41

make the fact that he shows up to the capital

1:11:43

on his father's birthday January six, it

1:11:45

helps storm it all the more disturbing. Yeah,

1:11:48

that's good, that's that makes sense that

1:11:50

we were heading there. And if they had another reason,

1:11:53

you know, yeah, birthday party. It wasn't

1:11:55

just it wasn't just the Trump stuff. Looking

1:11:57

there were a lot of reasons for me to be storming

1:12:00

that thing today. Now

1:12:02

a year later, Trump gave a nine eleven speech

1:12:04

to a packed Mainline Unification church event

1:12:07

led by Moon's wife, he said, quote,

1:12:09

what what they have achieved on the Peninsula

1:12:12

is just amazing in just a few decades.

1:12:14

The inspiration that they have caused

1:12:16

for the entire planet is unbelievable. And I congratulate

1:12:19

you again and again. So so Trump,

1:12:21

this makes Trump, I said, I said, there were six

1:12:24

presidents right who've even met him or supported his organizations.

1:12:27

So that's Eisenhower, Nixon, Uh,

1:12:30

George Bush, George H. W. Bush, Joe

1:12:33

Biden, and Donald Trump. So this

1:12:35

is a wonderful two party system here. Absolutely

1:12:37

shocked that Clinton was not on there. It's

1:12:40

completely stunned. This this

1:12:42

is because the Moon hates Clinton. Moon

1:12:44

like like when when Clinton Clinton wins the election, Boone

1:12:47

is like the US has been taken over by Satan and

1:12:49

like leaves for you know that

1:12:51

does scan based on the time that

1:12:54

does scan? I guess yeah. And actually one of

1:12:56

the other things that I didn't mention in this was is that the Washington

1:12:58

Times are like some of the people who like start the

1:13:00

like so when when when Hillary does the

1:13:02

one good thing she's ever done her entire life, which

1:13:04

was advocating for universal healthcare. They like, that's

1:13:06

when they start like a bunch of the like anti

1:13:09

Clinton, like Asher turf stuff. Yeah.

1:13:12

So and to to to close, to close

1:13:15

this out, I'm going to I'm gonna end this

1:13:17

episode by reading a list of prominent American

1:13:19

conservatives involved with the Moonies in some

1:13:21

way or another, either writing for their magazines,

1:13:23

working for a friend group, giving speeches, or taking

1:13:25

their money. David

1:13:28

brooks Elliott, Abram, Pappy Kennon, George

1:13:30

Bush, George H. W. Bush, Donald Trump, Mike

1:13:32

Pants, Mark Pompeo, Mark esper

1:13:34

and New King, rich Or in Hatch, Ronald Reagan,

1:13:36

go Over Northquest, Jack Abramoff, Richard

1:13:38

Vigieri, Ed Fulner Strom, thurmant

1:13:40

To, let's just use a Lawrence tribe, Jerry Fallwell,

1:13:42

Steve Bannon, Tim Lahey, Ralph Read,

1:13:45

Beverly Lahy, Gary Bauer, Gerald for

1:13:47

Jack Camp and John Putt Horretz. And

1:13:50

this is this is an incomplete list, Like I that's

1:13:53

that's that's like hitting the hits.

1:13:56

Yeah. And and this also does not include anyone from

1:13:58

the Twelve Countries or Moon funded desquads. So

1:14:00

yeah, that's reference moon what

1:14:03

a green guy. Well you know what, as

1:14:06

a fair man, I'm going to give kudos

1:14:08

to a guy who went for it. You know, she

1:14:11

good for you, but she got

1:14:13

a bunch he got a bunch

1:14:15

of of sitting US congressman and Senator to Crini

1:14:18

King, Yeah that is that is an achievement

1:14:20

has ever done. Is an achievement no one else.

1:14:23

Yeah. Look, you

1:14:25

know what, my I

1:14:28

gotta just give one quiet salute, um

1:14:30

in honor of this man's ambition

1:14:33

and ability to somehow

1:14:38

have an ass

1:14:40

that could cash the kind of checks that he was writing.

1:14:43

Yeah. This this, this man had one glorious

1:14:45

dream and it was dead babies. And he killed

1:14:48

a lot of babies. He killed a lot of babies.

1:14:50

He is going to be responsible

1:14:53

for the death of a lot of babies in the future. And

1:14:55

he made some pretty mediocre handguns.

1:14:58

Um, don't buy a car, get

1:15:01

a number of other guns. Look, if you want a tiny

1:15:03

hand and get a don't know, Smith and Wilson bodyguard

1:15:06

or something you don't you don't, don't, don't buy a car. Well,

1:15:08

Chris, thank you for making me sad.

1:15:12

I'm happy to question work,

1:15:15

but I'm also happy because I didn't have to do

1:15:18

as much work. This week, and I got to learn a story

1:15:20

about a cult leader who is boy Howdy got

1:15:22

to be in our gotta be in our top five. He's

1:15:26

a Really the

1:15:28

money is just ridiculous.

1:15:31

Yeah yeah, it's Bride.

1:15:35

It's just oh my god. Yeah,

1:15:38

thank you Chris Man and listeners

1:15:41

give me that kind of money. And I promise this

1:15:44

was so many death squads, like,

1:15:47

way more death squads than this guy, none

1:15:50

of none of this other distraction bullshit.

1:15:52

I'm going to go peer in on the death squads, you

1:15:55

know, or don't behind the bastards

1:15:57

guaranteed that does not have a Twitter

1:16:00

at c h R three, go

1:16:02

listen to it could happen here. We're going to do more about

1:16:05

the World Anti Communist League because I I

1:16:07

only scratched the surface of the horse. So

1:16:11

yeah, all right, well that's

1:16:14

the episode. Goodbye and

1:16:16

go with Christ who

1:16:19

thinks that the Reverend Moon is

1:16:21

way smarter than he is. Totally

1:16:24

told me that at the dinner party. Jesus