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folks I've been aware of my

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with k through twelve and how I educate my

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sons. And He's also

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just basically a guy who

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is something that this guy really specializes

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in. His name is doctor

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Andrew Kaufman. We'll call

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him doctor Andy. That's okay if we call you

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doctor Andy. Right? Doctor Andy? Yeah,

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absolutely. Okay. Good.

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Good. Just making sure. Didn't want it. Didn't want disrespect.

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So ben greenfield life dot com slash

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kaufman. I'll link to everything

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that Andy does and what he's been up to, but

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he has a BS from NIT. In molecular

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biology. He's got his psychiatric training

6:52

from Duke University Center, very prestigious

6:54

medical center. After graduating from the medical

6:57

University of South Carolina, he spent many years

6:59

in the medical field as a forensic psychiatrist,

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an expert witness. And

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according to what I've learned when he learned

7:07

that many of the modern medical practices were harming

7:09

people, not helping them. He gave up a lucrative

7:11

medical career and started researching and understanding

7:13

the true relationship between body, mind, and

7:15

spirit. And how to use nature to heal your

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own body. And that's exactly what we're gonna talk

7:20

to today. So, doctor

7:22

Andy, there are so so many places

7:24

we could start but I

7:26

kind of I I kind of think it's it's

7:28

quite interesting that you are a forensic

7:30

psychiatrist, an expert witness in medicine,

7:33

So fill me in on that and and

7:35

what got you into doing that? Well,

7:38

pretty much as soon as I had learned that

7:40

forensic psychiatry existed as

7:42

a sub specialty. I was instantly drawn

7:45

to it because it's the opportunity

7:47

to use your analytical and rhetoric

7:50

skills to make an argument. And,

7:53

you know, it actually has a

7:56

influence on people's lives and serious

7:58

decisions of legal and administrative

8:02

concerns. So essentially, what it is

8:04

is it's the intersection of

8:06

psychiatry and the law. And

8:08

in psychiatry, there are actually a lot of

8:10

special laws like to civilly

8:13

commit a patient to take

8:15

away their freedoms and force

8:17

them to receive treatment in the hospital

8:19

for example. Something that

8:22

as a psychiatrist, you're given these

8:24

kind of police powers. Mhmm.

8:26

And so this is the avenue

8:28

where these things get adjudicated in

8:30

a courtroom or other administrative hearing

8:33

and human rights are at

8:36

least in paper

8:38

attempted to be respected in this

8:40

process. So I was kinda drawn

8:43

to that and it really

8:45

was important in my development because

8:47

it gave me the opportunity to

8:50

hone my skills of investigation.

8:53

As a forensic expert, you're

8:55

expected to go through massive amounts

8:58

of information, so called evidence.

9:00

So for example, if I were an

9:02

expert witness on a case let's

9:05

say a murder case, for example, I was

9:07

involved in a couple of those. Okay. I

9:09

given a box full

9:11

of records that could include records

9:14

from school, from military service,

9:16

from employment, It

9:19

could also include witness statements and

9:21

criminal records, which could be quite extensive.

9:24

It could include testing results.

9:26

It could include all kinds of health records

9:28

from mental health records

9:30

and counseling to, you know,

9:33

hospitalization surgeries, all this

9:35

kind of thing. And I would have to go

9:37

through that mountain of evidence looking

9:39

for things that speak directly

9:42

to some question which I'm

9:44

asked to make an opinion on, like,

9:46

for example, was

9:48

the defendant under

9:52

a psychiatric crisis

9:54

at the time the crime was committed or were

9:56

their actions motivated by

9:59

a you know, delusional content

10:01

like part of their illness rather

10:03

than something in reality. For

10:05

example, in this

10:08

experience and then, of course, interviewing people

10:10

for hours one time I interviewed one

10:13

individual client for

10:15

nine hours over two days. And

10:17

you're trying to find, you know, that little

10:20

bit of information that can speak to the issue

10:22

and sift through a lot of things that

10:24

are really unreliable or

10:27

irrelevant. And that kind of thinking

10:29

help me approach what's going on in

10:31

the world today. So did something happen

10:34

when you were in forensic

10:37

psychiatry or as an expert witness

10:39

in medicine? That

10:41

made you step back in in question

10:44

and and it it's kinda kind of along

10:46

the lines of a guy recently interviewed. His name

10:48

was was Gary Bracken. He

10:50

was telling me about how when he was doing

10:52

insurance adjusting for a

10:54

variety of different companies, he found that

10:56

that the majority of chronic disease was related

10:59

to hypoxia, and he felt guilty

11:01

because he couldn't really help these folks.

11:03

He could just generate numbers and he

11:05

wound up pivoting as as a biologist and

11:07

starting to treat people using things like exercise

11:10

oxygen therapy and ozone therapy

11:12

and, you know, mitochondrial enhancement and just

11:14

kinda completely switched his career once

11:16

he realized how messed up the sector that

11:18

he was in was. So for you,

11:21

was there like a triggering moment when

11:23

you realize that maybe what you were doing wasn't

11:25

really doing folks as many favors as as you could

11:27

be doing?

11:29

Well, you know, there were several and it was

11:31

a process and I did

11:33

something very similar to what you just

11:35

described and now completely

11:37

out of that system. But think

11:39

a really early pivotal moment for me

11:41

was when I was in my first year

11:44

of training at Duke and we had this weekly

11:46

journal club that was very important

11:49

like it was mandatory participation. It

11:51

was called a critical appraisal of the

11:53

literature. And we actually looked

11:55

at scientific papers that were published

11:57

and pick them apart because we

11:59

were aware there was a lot of bias especially

12:02

in clinical research like

12:04

studying antidepressants and things

12:06

like that. And we looked at this

12:08

big article where a researcher who

12:10

is outside of the mental health

12:13

world got all

12:15

of these data submitted

12:17

to get various antidepressant drugs

12:19

approved to the FDA,

12:21

but these were unpublished data

12:24

because the drug companies only publish things

12:26

that make their drugs look really good. And

12:28

but they have to submit everything to the

12:30

FDA. So, this

12:33

scientist analyzed all of that data,

12:36

published and unpublished and showed

12:38

that there was really no benefit

12:41

for antidepressants at all. That was meaningful.

12:44

And we all agreed with the conclusions

12:47

by doing this critical appraisal. But

12:49

then right after that, like

12:51

the same day, we went to the clinics

12:54

and we were still told to prescribe

12:56

antidepressants. Without

12:58

any change in our strategy whatsoever.

13:02

And this, you know, contradiction

13:04

or hepocracy

13:07

really made an indelible imprint

13:10

on me and that was the beginning of

13:12

me looking critically at everything that

13:15

was going on in psychiatry and

13:17

basically trying to divorce

13:20

myself from the mainstream

13:22

practices. So

13:25

when when things like that happen, is there like a

13:27

lag time do you think? I mean, when when we

13:29

find out something like antidepressants don't work,

13:32

or don't work as well as as we would have

13:34

thought. You know, I I certainly see, you

13:36

know, mutterings about something

13:39

like that, some research or

13:42

piece of information or study

13:44

will get released. Obviously, doctors

13:46

are still prescribing and possibly

13:49

even the entire medical school curriculum

13:51

hasn't changed based on that. But

13:53

is there is there an even approximate

13:56

amount of time that it takes

13:58

for, you know, new research to

14:00

saturate in in the medicines at, like, two

14:02

years, five years, ten years, never.

14:06

I'm pretty sure that the

14:08

Institute of Medicine has

14:10

looked at this, although it could be another body

14:13

And it's somewhere on the order of, like, eleven

14:15

or fifteen years before eleven

14:17

or fifteen. Jeez. Finding actually

14:19

gets into the day to day practice of

14:21

a majority of clinically practicing

14:24

professionals. Wow. And I can,

14:26

you know, give you lots of examples because there

14:28

are things that I learned about many, many

14:30

years ago that when I talk

14:32

to people and they tell me about

14:34

their diagnosis and what they're prescribed, they're

14:36

still prescribed medicines that were known,

14:39

you know, not to be effective

14:41

ten years ago or fifteen years

14:42

ago. Wow.

14:44

That's crazy. I mean, just just the amount of

14:46

people that could be harmed or at least not served.

14:49

Crackleayer or have money waste in

14:51

the medical system for eleven to fifteen years.

14:53

Jeez, There are two other really important

14:55

things to speak to this issue. One is

14:58

that it's very commonly told

15:00

in medical school to the medical students

15:02

that half of what you learn will

15:05

be obsolete by the time you're out there practicing.

15:08

And so there's an acknowledged uncertainty

15:11

in the information and available. And

15:13

then there's also the famous

15:15

professor John IOANidis paper,

15:17

probably the world's most famous epidemiologists

15:20

in PLOS one, that

15:22

says more than half of all published research

15:24

findings are false. So

15:27

when we're looking at the body of evidence

15:29

used to practice medicine. We're

15:31

essentially largely looking at

15:34

a combination of false conclusions

15:36

as well as just

15:38

plain ignorance of the

15:42

overturning of false conclusions.

15:44

Wow. Yeah. I mean, I I came across

15:46

a study this morning, about eighty

15:48

five percent of strength conditioning research

15:51

is flawed or uses flawed methodologies,

15:53

which is just absolutely bonkers

15:56

when you think about only fifteen percent of what

15:58

you're seeing is is legitimate

16:00

research. So yeah, I would imagine

16:02

that the doctors who are

16:05

engaged in independent continuing

16:07

education and who are who are actually

16:10

studying up on them this stuff themselves,

16:12

you know, which you see a lot in functional medicine,

16:14

for example, that they'd be ahead

16:16

of the

16:17

curve, but I mean, correct me I'm wrong, it just

16:19

seems like a lot of doctors are stuck in their old ways

16:21

that they learned a medical school and just aren't

16:23

progressing much at all. You know, whether

16:25

due to being too busy or something else.

16:27

Yeah. No, there are mechanisms

16:30

in place to keep doctors from

16:32

looking for true

16:33

information. Like, for example, there

16:36

extremely overworked in order to keep

16:38

up with their overhead and make the living.

16:40

That you think that's intentional to keep them

16:42

from actually learning I don't

16:44

I don't call it the the truth or whatever?

16:46

Well, you know, whether it

16:48

was established as something intentional

16:51

or not, it still serves to function in

16:53

that way because because if you have

16:55

to, for example, see one

16:57

patient every six minutes in order

16:59

to make your quotas, you're

17:01

not going have time to sit down and

17:04

read the research literature. And

17:06

you combine that with there is

17:08

acquired what they call CME or

17:10

continuing medical education. And

17:12

there are certain number of hours you have

17:14

to do for for several

17:17

different sources, by the way, like for your

17:19

state licensure, as well

17:21

as for your board certification. And

17:24

so anyone trying to maintain board certification.

17:26

Now, this is where they really capture

17:29

you because there is

17:31

this requirement for ongoing education

17:33

and some of them even have tests that you

17:35

have to take every so many years

17:37

or hand in a project or things

17:40

like this. And they have

17:42

to approve the materials

17:44

that you use to educate yourself. So you can't

17:46

just go out there and search

17:48

the literature and the science yourself,

17:51

you have to use their approved sources

17:53

and materials. And it turns out that

17:56

the sources of these materials are

17:58

essentially these shell companies

18:00

or foundations that are

18:03

set up by the pharmaceutical industry

18:06

to put their

18:08

marketing messages in the educational material.

18:11

And this keeps you from

18:13

looking outside because you're required to

18:15

use these sources in

18:18

order to keep your credentials

18:20

active and If you don't

18:22

keep your credentials active, then you could

18:24

risk your pay scale decreasing, you

18:26

could lose your faculty status, your

18:29

malpractice liability insurance premiums

18:31

can go up. There are all sorts of

18:35

consequences. So you're really

18:37

stuck within the system and it's very, very

18:39

difficult to look outside unless you're

18:41

willing to go outside the them

18:43

and run your own business, not

18:45

rely on insurance companies.

18:49

And that's very risky

18:51

for most folks in this

18:53

professional, though that's exactly what I've

18:55

done. Okay. Gotcha. And

18:57

and you seem to have really

18:59

focused as you pivoted out a forensic

19:02

psychiatry and being an expert witness

19:04

in medicine into this concept

19:06

of how our environment

19:09

affects our health. And

19:11

I'm not sure if there was like a triggering incident that

19:13

caused you to begin to focus on the terrain and

19:16

the environment in terms of your writings and your content

19:18

and what you're doing now? Or were you always

19:20

aware of the importance of our, you know, even

19:23

your new film, right, it's called

19:24

terrain. That's right. So the importance of

19:26

terrain is something that has been a growing interest of

19:28

yours. Where did this start? Well, you know,

19:30

I really came upon this empirically. Because

19:34

I first observed the

19:36

shortcomings of the mainstream

19:38

allopathic medical system. And,

19:41

you know, I had lots of personal experience with

19:44

this and then through all my investigation

19:46

of the published literature essentially

19:49

confirm that way more people are harmed by

19:51

that health system than are possibly

19:53

helped. And so I had to look else

19:56

by by the way, is it is it true? Sorry. I don't know if the

19:58

the number three cause of

20:00

of death from what I understand in

20:02

the US at least is medical

20:05

errors and causing things

20:07

like sepsis, for example, and

20:10

MERSA and all these issues that we

20:12

see coming out of

20:13

hospitals, which I supposed are now a very dangerous

20:15

place to be? Well, I mean, according to

20:17

Johns Hopkins University research,

20:20

they estimated, and this is more than

20:22

ten years ago, two hundred

20:24

and fifty thousand deaths a

20:26

year from medical errors, but then

20:28

there's additional data looking

20:30

at deaths from prescription

20:33

drugs taken as directed. And

20:35

when you combine those two together,

20:37

you're well ahead of lung

20:39

disease in the CDC seize leading cause

20:41

of deaths. But that doesn't account

20:43

for actually all medically induced deaths

20:47

because it doesn't account for

20:49

vaccines, it doesn't account for chemotherapy.

20:52

So there's other ways of looking this data

20:54

and there are many different estimates. But

20:56

I would say that --

20:57

Okay. -- third leading cause of the death of

20:59

death is the most conservative estimate,

21:01

and it only comes from if you're

21:04

just using two published studies from the

21:06

American Medical Association and from Johns

21:08

Hopkins University. Okay.

21:11

Alright. Got

21:11

it. So so back to what you're explaining about

21:14

your journey to the importance of terrain in the environment?

21:17

Yeah. So so I

21:20

once I realized that I wasn't

21:22

doing very good medicating

21:25

my patients and following the

21:27

traditional psychiatry tree I came across

21:30

very fortunately from a

21:32

fellow in my kind

21:34

of spiritual development group suggested

21:37

to read this book by Kelly Brogan, another

21:39

psychiatrist. And she had

21:42

kind of also had a similar path where

21:44

she realized that mainstream psychiatry

21:46

was not really

21:49

a good thing and found

21:51

other ways of using

21:54

diets and some detoxification

21:57

to address psychiatric problems.

22:00

And I tried this on my own and

22:02

with one colleague and had amazing

22:04

results. So this led me on

22:06

a path to just look outside

22:09

the medical system at

22:11

every, you know, expert

22:13

that I could find who is in this space

22:15

and see what kind of results

22:18

they had and what kind of procedures

22:20

or substances, you

22:23

know, lead to good outcomes

22:25

if if there are more. And so

22:27

I did uncover a lot

22:29

of different practitioners over

22:33

the course of several years studying

22:36

this and studying their methods. And it

22:38

was only after kind of collecting

22:40

the procedures

22:44

and materials that led to

22:46

the most healing that I saw this pattern,

22:49

that it was essentially a

22:52

lot of detoxification and nutrition

22:55

and all these materials were found in nature.

22:58

And then when I began looking

23:00

into things like pleomorphism, for

23:03

example, and looking

23:06

at the microbial world and what it

23:08

does in nature and how nature essentially

23:11

heals from illness itself,

23:13

right, like when we have poisoned land

23:16

or deep forested land, for example. Everything

23:20

kind of came together that there is really

23:22

a balance that is established

23:25

and maintains itself through, you know,

23:27

all these omnostatic mechanisms in nature

23:30

and it always tries to restore itself

23:32

to a state of optimal health and

23:35

that all of the procedures and

23:37

materials that show

23:39

empirically to lead to that

23:41

kind of healing all support the

23:44

natural functions of restoration

23:47

and healing and rehabilitation. So

23:51

I kind of came to this formulation over

23:53

time. And of course, the,

23:56

you know, the term to reign theory was already

23:58

out there in the ethos, but it really

24:00

resonated with me when

24:02

I heard it and, you

24:04

know, it it really applies to

24:06

my message. Yeah. The train theory is

24:08

something that I recently discussed with

24:10

a guest named Robert slowak who talked

24:13

lot about the

24:15

origins of human existence on

24:17

on coastlines and relationship

24:20

between humans and seawater. And he was very

24:22

into the the idea that if we

24:24

replenish the body with, you know, constituents that

24:26

are very, very near to electrolyte

24:29

content of plasma, that that's one one

24:31

example of how the the train is everything.

24:33

And we kinda unpack that pretty well in that podcast

24:35

be a good one. By the if you're listening in right now, go

24:37

back and listen to that podcast with Robert to

24:39

learn a little bit more about this, this idea

24:42

of train theory. But but now you're

24:44

doing an actual film projects

24:46

based on this entire

24:47

concept. Tell me about the film project, Andy.

24:49

Yeah. Well, terrain the film

24:52

is a project with

24:54

Marcellina Corbat, who is an

24:56

amazing filmmaker. And

24:58

we met up early during the pandemic

25:01

years. And kinda

25:03

hit it off right away. And she was just

25:05

like super curious and wanted

25:07

to know what what's really going on with

25:10

all of the science what

25:12

really helps people heal, you know, the same

25:14

burning questions that most of us have,

25:16

but she was willing to you

25:18

know, read any book I suggested

25:20

and then get back to me with a hundred more

25:23

questions. And we developed this

25:25

kind of collaboration and through

25:27

her process of learning about,

25:30

you know, the reality of science

25:33

underlying germ theory and viruses

25:36

and how health really works, she

25:40

created this film, documenting

25:43

everything she learned and including

25:45

some very key contributors along

25:48

the way. And it so it

25:50

kind of tells the story of her transition

25:54

or shift from the old way

25:56

of thinking, you know, being a patient

25:58

at the local clinic and getting

26:00

vaccines and antibiotics to

26:03

a totally different way of, you

26:06

know, thinking about how taking responsibility,

26:08

realizing what is

26:10

really causing your health problems?

26:13

How do you restore yourself and

26:15

maintain health? And so we

26:17

present this an overview of that

26:20

shift process, and it's not just,

26:22

you know, a scientific

26:25

documentary. It's encompasses the

26:27

entire human experience in

26:30

the context of the last couple

26:32

of years, at least twenty twenty through

26:34

the end of twenty twenty one when we

26:37

finished up the film

26:38

production. Okay. Got it.

26:40

Now now this this film, I've had a chance to

26:42

your your your team sent it over for me

26:44

to review and there's all sorts of little,

26:46

like, you know, bonuses and you go into all

26:48

these different categories. But I'd love to unpack a

26:50

few of the concepts in the film just so people can start

26:52

to understand this whole concept

26:54

of terrain using some very practical examples.

26:57

And and by the way, for those of you listening in, I'm

26:59

I'm working out with with Andy's team

27:01

a a special link and a and

27:03

a and a code for you guys to be able

27:05

to get access this film. If you get ben

27:08

greenfield life dot com slash kaufman, KAUFMAN.

27:11

I'll put it all over there. But you talk about water

27:13

a lot. And I don't know if you knew this, Andy. My dad

27:16

is in the in the water. Filtration industry.

27:18

My brother works with him. My dad started off

27:20

in in coffee and coffee shops, and we

27:22

end up finding the number one

27:25

thing that influences the flavor of lattes

27:27

and coffees and espresso in addition to the

27:29

bean quality was the water. And

27:31

you start repairing espresso machines and

27:33

changing up the water filtration technologies

27:37

and a lot of these coffee shops and then wound up,

27:39

you know, moving on to farms and homes and all

27:41

sorts of stuff. So from about the age

27:43

of sixteen. I've seen my dad take a deep

27:45

dive in the water and I have a keen interest

27:48

in it as well, but I would love to hear

27:50

your take on water And first

27:52

of all, you you say that water plays

27:54

a central role in in

27:56

healing biological

27:58

mechanism. What's that even mean? What's what's the

28:00

central of water in in healing biological

28:03

mechanisms? Well, you know, sometimes

28:05

I get ahead of myself with the technical

28:07

language, but Water,

28:10

you know, has always been taught

28:12

to me and to virtually everyone

28:15

else. In the context of

28:17

biology as being a completely passive

28:20

substance in the background, kind of like

28:22

the air around you right now,

28:24

but but not even the oxygen

28:27

part, just the inner argon

28:29

or nitrogen that doesn't get

28:31

absorbed into your body. And

28:34

that actually, it turns out, couldn't

28:36

be farther from the truth. Now,

28:38

it's also kind of common knowledge

28:40

that the bot the body is composed

28:43

of about two thirds or

28:46

less for most individuals

28:49

who are chronically dehydrated, but

28:51

about two thirds water by weight. But

28:53

-- Okay. -- not generally thought about

28:56

that ninety nine out of every one

28:58

hundred molecules in your body is water.

29:01

And the reason why there's that disparity is

29:04

because water molecules are smaller

29:06

and lighter than many of

29:08

the biological molecules that

29:10

make up the other one percent, things

29:12

like proteins and

29:14

carbohydrates and nucleocides.

29:19

So water is really

29:21

what we are made of principally.

29:23

But the other thing that

29:27

is quite fascinating is that the water

29:29

in our body is not the same as

29:31

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29:33

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32:30

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32:32

but they probably don't really, really fully

32:34

understand So I'm gonna say it again. And

32:37

then I I would love to hear your your explanation.

32:40

When you drink a glass of water, that's not what

32:42

it looks like when it's in your body. Basically what Andy's

32:44

about to

32:44

explain. So so go ahead. Yeah, absolutely.

32:47

And, yeah, I know this is a is

32:49

difficult or, you know, it it's

32:51

it's hard to wrap your head around it first.

32:54

But let me give you practical example

32:56

from my friend Tom Cowan

32:59

on this. So we've

33:01

all had experience with water balloon. So let's

33:03

say a water balloon, you know, would be similar

33:05

to your skin outside

33:08

the water in your body. Like

33:10

let's say your calf muscle, for example.

33:12

Now if we take a pin, right,

33:15

and prick the water balloon, what happens?

33:17

The water squirts out. Right,

33:19

and perform. Now if

33:22

we take a pin and

33:24

puncture our calf, right,

33:26

or puncture a cell for that matter,

33:29

right, which is really like a microscopic

33:32

water balloon in a sense. The

33:34

water is not gonna squirt out like that.

33:36

Now, I'm not talking about if you accidentally hit

33:38

an artery and and it pumps out

33:40

because we all know that that can happen. But

33:42

I'm talking about just by relieving the pressure

33:44

of the water inside. Right? It doesn't

33:47

squirt out like in a water balloon. And that's

33:49

because the water is actually in a

33:51

totally different phase

33:54

of matter actually, it turns out

33:56

that it's somewhat like a gel or

33:58

a liquid crystal. And

34:00

this occurs specifically in

34:02

biological surfaces

34:05

or against biological surfaces, but

34:07

also in other places in

34:10

nature. And there are many ways to -- Yeah.

34:12

-- energize water into this kind

34:14

of gel liquid crystal

34:17

type of

34:17

Yeah. And and I love to hear some of your some of

34:19

your tips for for creating that scenario. But

34:21

just because it's difficult for people,

34:23

I think, to understand this idea of water

34:25

being a gel. There's actually a a

34:27

great book I read about this called called Quench.

34:30

I haven't interviewed the author of this book about

34:32

the idea of water and it's and it's

34:34

a gel form being present in many

34:36

many fruits and vegetables and produce,

34:38

for example. But if you were to,

34:40

let's say, you make chia

34:43

seeds slurry. Like, take chia seeds and dissolve

34:45

them in water and you get like this this nice

34:47

stomach nourishing gel or if you were

34:49

to I don't know if anybody's ever had a CMOS

34:51

gel before. That'd be another example. You can make it

34:53

yourself. You get CMOS and you hydrate it and

34:56

you blend it and get this this nice gel

34:58

like structure, aloe vera gel would

35:01

be another example. Just think about those

35:03

textures and then imagine that your

35:06

cell isn't like the slashy liquid

35:08

water. It's more of that that gel

35:10

based format that allows for

35:12

a lot of the delivery of nutrients in and out of

35:14

the cell and the proper flow of

35:16

electrolytes, etcetera. And so you

35:18

were about to explain Andy how we actually

35:21

optimize the the formation

35:23

of that kind of water in the body itself.

35:25

Right. Well, let me first

35:28

say that there might even be a more mundane

35:30

example to understand what

35:32

we're saying about a Kjell because we might

35:34

be familiar with Jell

35:35

O. Right? Especially if you've been to the hospital

35:38

at a good point. They really like to feed you Jell

35:40

O there. And what is Jello?

35:42

All it is is gelatin, which

35:44

is a protein made from ground

35:47

up cow bones, but it's also

35:49

in our bones and and tissues. It's

35:51

related to collagen. And

35:53

it's that mixed with water. And, you know,

35:55

we have to heat the water to make Jello to

35:57

help the water interface properly

36:00

and dissolve the gelatin protein,

36:02

but it's really the interaction between

36:05

the water and that gelatin chain,

36:07

which is hydrophilic, that

36:09

creates the gelled form of the

36:11

water. So it's actually quite

36:13

similar to what's inside of our body.

36:16

And, you know, You know how that the

36:18

edge of the jello mold

36:20

also, like it doesn't have a skin

36:22

on it, like a membrane, but

36:24

it still keeps its shape.

36:27

Because it's in that gel structure. Right?

36:29

And so our cells and tissues in

36:31

our body are very similar to that.

36:33

Right? And we see how they may taint our shape.

36:36

Now some things may be made of metal

36:38

or harder materials like bones, but all

36:40

our other tissues also can be very firm

36:42

like just flex your muscle and feel it.

36:45

There's no metal in there. Right? That's

36:47

kind of gelatinous water that

36:49

you're that you're really feeling. So

36:53

the way that this happens inside

36:55

your body that the water turns into this

36:59

fourth phase of water or easy

37:01

water or structured water, there are many names

37:03

for this gelatinist type of water

37:06

is very simple. Two things

37:09

generally take place. One is that the water

37:12

is near what's called a hydrophilic or

37:14

a water loving surface, and that

37:16

would be almost all of your tissues,

37:19

including the inside of a blood vessel

37:21

walls for example, and

37:24

all of the kind of tubes and networks in your

37:26

body. And then

37:28

the presence of sunlight

37:30

in the form of infrared light, which

37:32

penetrates right through

37:34

biological tissues and it's it's

37:36

the kind of light that we can

37:39

see at night using night vision

37:41

goggles and it is really ubiquitous.

37:44

So it's you have to have like a

37:46

special chamber to actually prevent

37:48

infrared light from getting in. So

37:51

just with being exposed even

37:53

indirectly at nighttime to the

37:55

sun, and having these hydrophilic

37:58

surfaces allows your body to

38:01

create this amazing form

38:03

of water which really carries out

38:05

all the function of

38:06

water, which I can expand upon.

38:08

Okay. So when when people

38:10

are and I get this question a lot,

38:12

when people are, let's say,

38:15

eating foods

38:17

that are in gel like format, like, let's say, Jello

38:19

or Chiaseed slurry or a fruit or something

38:22

like that or cucumber or people

38:24

are drinking water

38:27

that apparently has a little bit more of

38:29

this H20 bonding

38:32

or H30 bonding I think it is like

38:34

structured water, you know,

38:36

vortis water, you know, the type of water

38:38

that the doctor what's

38:40

his name? The guy at at University of Washington

38:42

who does the water research. You know what I'm talking

38:44

about? Doctor yeah, doctor

38:47

Pollak with the cells and Gels book. If

38:49

people are drinking that type

38:51

of water or eating it, is that sufficient

38:54

to allow for the

38:56

the gel to form properly in the human

38:58

cell? Or do you still need to do some other things

39:00

like, you know, you mentioned light exposure,

39:02

etcetera? To get the water into

39:04

its ideal gel like format within cell

39:06

or around the cell. Right. Well, this

39:09

is a a little bit more complicated than

39:11

that because Our bodies do this

39:13

all on their own. They take any water

39:15

that comes into our body. And if

39:17

they're able to, there are some things we do which

39:20

interfere with this. And that's how it

39:22

relates to illness, but

39:24

our body does this all on its own

39:26

if we don't get in the way. Now

39:28

in terms of drinking

39:31

water that is in this state

39:33

or closer to this state, there

39:35

we are starting to find

39:37

some benefits to this. Like we there

39:40

are definitely benefits that have been seen

39:42

in plant growth. And

39:44

we're getting some early data

39:46

of studies in humans, but

39:48

I wouldn't say it's definitive. But

39:51

for me, it's enough data to

39:54

side that for my family and I, all

39:56

the water we drink is is energized

39:58

or structured by a device

40:00

that I've researched and you

40:04

know, we'll use

40:06

that water preferentially even

40:08

if I'm not hundred percent sure it will

40:10

make a big difference in the long run. But

40:13

more importantly, what we wanna do is make

40:15

sure that we don't interfere with

40:17

our body's ability to have

40:19

the water in this way because It

40:22

turns out that really if

40:25

there's either not enough water in

40:28

our body or the water is contaminated with

40:31

toxins or pollutants or

40:33

waste products that it

40:36

limits the water's ability to

40:38

form this pure crystalline structure and

40:40

the chrysaline structure is necessary

40:44

for the functions like of locomotion

40:46

of the of the blood vessels and

40:49

of maintaining the membrane

40:51

potential or the voltage, like little

40:53

batteries in our body. So

40:56

if we have a toxic lifestyle

40:58

and and or were dehydrated,

41:02

our body is gonna be very limited to

41:05

be able to form this kind of

41:06

water, and then we're gonna have problems in

41:08

our ability to carry out the body's functions.

41:11

Okay.

41:12

Alright. Got it. What what's the way that you structure

41:15

your water? Like, do you have a special type of

41:17

filter that you use? Well,

41:19

I use a device called the

41:21

Analama water

41:22

wand, and this was a Oh,

41:24

okay. So somebody just just recently

41:26

seventy bunch of those. I've been trying you know, I make

41:28

a big morning glass of water with,

41:31

you know, hydrogen tablets and little bit of

41:33

electrolytes and some vitamin c.

41:35

And they they say that if you if you stir the

41:37

water, it's kinda silly for me because I have a whole

41:39

house structured water filter, but I'm just using

41:41

this just out of curiosity. And also when I travel,

41:44

apparently, you stir the water with this wand for thirty

41:46

to sixty seconds and it and it somehow structures

41:48

the water.

41:48

Yeah. It's a very fascinating device

41:51

and, you know, the reason that I

41:53

use it as because of the degree of

41:55

testing and scientific

42:01

you know, analysis that's been done independently

42:03

of the device. But it's

42:05

a little bit unique because what happened

42:08

is that its creator, Ralph Zantinger,

42:11

who's really a scientist, studied

42:14

how water gets structured in nature,

42:16

but outside of organisms. Like

42:18

because he found structured water

42:20

in nature and in some natural

42:23

streams or springs or reservoirs. And

42:26

so he has tried

42:28

to mimic this process starting

42:30

with Actually, I'm I'm

42:32

not positive. What water he starts with?

42:34

I believe it's a natural water

42:36

source. And he

42:39

puts the water through this process over an

42:41

entire year and then

42:44

puts a small aliquots of it into

42:46

these quartz cuets, which the

42:48

courts allows the

42:51

structured property or energy to

42:54

be transferred to another body of water.

42:56

It can't be a glass tube. And

42:58

when you stir it, then he you know,

43:00

there ways to measure that now that water

43:02

is structured like specifically there

43:04

is a unique absorption

43:08

pattern that that

43:10

separates it from bulk water that you can test

43:13

at a laboratory setting. For example,

43:15

doctor Pollak has published the standards on

43:17

that. So when

43:19

you stir water with this, not only

43:21

does it become energized or structured,

43:23

but it actually it maintains

43:26

its structured state even

43:29

when exposed to, like, radio frequencies,

43:31

cell phones, smart meters, things like that.

43:34

And it's been tested up to full year

43:36

and it's stable over that time. So

43:39

it's a little bit unique. Now other technologies

43:42

probably haven't been fully

43:44

tested, so there may be other

43:46

ways to do that. But he did

43:48

take the step to do

43:50

this kind of testing. Okay. Got

43:52

it. So the but but no

43:54

no filters or anything like

43:55

that. You're mostly just using this stick to stir a lot

43:57

of the water that you drink. Yeah. Well, I do

43:59

have actually, I believe this is

44:01

from your dad's company. I

44:04

have a a

44:06

spiral hose pipe attachment

44:09

for like watering the garden

44:11

or or you're, you know, raising vegetables

44:14

and things like that. And -- Okay.

44:16

-- I've planned my own experiment in

44:18

the spring, and I know that this kind

44:20

of experiment has been done successfully with

44:22

other devices, but I'm gonna put grass

44:25

seed in my lawn and

44:27

water half of it with this device and the

44:29

other half without it with just the same

44:31

hose and water. And I'm going

44:33

monitor the density and

44:36

the rate of growth and

44:38

see what the difference is. And, know,

44:40

interestingly in other studies like this,

44:42

They've actually found even improvements

44:45

in the mineral content of the soil,

44:48

even when rainwater was structured

44:51

and given to

44:53

tomato plants versus rainwater

44:55

that's not been structured. Fascinating.

44:58

Okay. So do you when

45:00

when you're using these type of devices. And by the

45:02

way, I I do like the concept. They they make those kind

45:04

of things for shower heads for -- Yeah. --

45:06

for the end of hoses. For the whole

45:08

house. If you wanna do the whole house and and

45:10

I try and and structure most of the water

45:13

that I

45:13

use. You know, I I always make sure I get rid

45:15

of impurities. First? Are you concerned about that? Are

45:17

you using, like, normal water or osmosis or

45:19

anything? Absolutely. Yes. I for my

45:22

I'm in a city on city water, so I use

45:25

reverse osmosis

45:26

filter, but that is the first and most

45:28

important thing is that you're not drinking

45:30

poisoned water. Absolutely. Okay.

45:33

Alright. Got it. So when you're

45:35

when you're using all of these tactics

45:37

for the water, do you add anything to the water?

45:39

Like, are you a fan of of adding back

45:42

in minerals. Some

45:44

people are into, like, the hydrogen tablets and

45:46

water. Are you messing around with any of that?

45:48

Or are you just going from pure water? I'm just

45:50

going really pure water, the

45:53

only thing I do add is my intention

45:55

of gratitude generally

45:58

speaking. Okay. Alright. Got it.

45:59

Yeah. And then that's that's something that I

46:01

know can, you know, be a a quantum principle's

46:04

effect. Some of the some of the structure in

46:06

the water in a very interesting way. And some people

46:08

think it's woo woo, but I it's not gonna not

46:10

gonna hurt. That's for sure. Well, you know,

46:12

there's a there's a really fascinating experiment

46:15

that you can do at home actually

46:17

that does been been replicated. Yeah.

46:19

If you just and this doesn't you don't need a structuring

46:22

device to do this, actually. You could just use regular

46:24

tap water. But what you do is you

46:27

you mix let's say, a quarter cup of rice

46:30

in a full glass of water. You do it three

46:32

glasses. Same same thing. And

46:36

the three glasses when you do this for

46:38

a couple of weeks, every day,

46:41

one glass you say I love you too.

46:44

One glass you say I hate you

46:46

and the other glass you ignore. Okay.

46:51

And after two weeks,

46:53

see what changes occurred

46:56

because there will be breakdown of

46:59

the rice. But it will occur

47:01

in different ways in the different glasses

47:04

just based on your intention and

47:06

how you're related to that

47:07

water. Fascinating. Okay.

47:09

Yeah. So it really is fascinating. So

47:11

with the with the water, the other thing that you

47:13

get into is and and

47:15

I wanna talk about this holiday of an Alchemical

47:17

detox because I know that's another thing that

47:20

that came up in in the terrain project,

47:22

but this idea of just drinking water

47:24

like water fastening. Do you do you encourage

47:26

water

47:27

fasting? And and if so, how and why

47:29

do you pull that off? Well, water

47:31

fasting is perhaps

47:33

the purest and certainly one of

47:35

the most powerful ways to heal

47:38

because this is what all animals

47:40

do in nature. In order

47:42

to heal when they're sick, injured, they

47:45

fast. And we've all observed this to some

47:47

degree. And the same thing

47:49

is true for you, and essentially it does

47:51

is it allows your body to

47:53

purify its water from

47:55

all these contaminants and thus

47:57

restore full function. And

48:00

there's even in the mainstream literature, there's

48:03

tons of evidence of the effectiveness of

48:06

this. I've done it myself several

48:08

times including a twenty six

48:10

day extended water fast.

48:13

And it's something that I definitely

48:15

talk about and in fact developing

48:18

with my apprentice

48:20

Dr. Grace and Art. A water fasting

48:23

supervision clinic. Okay. And

48:25

how's a waterfast actually actually

48:27

work? How how many days do you go? And what do you what

48:29

do you feel like as you do

48:30

this? I'm just curious. We haven't talked about water fasting

48:33

a lot before on the show. Sure.

48:35

Yeah. Well, you know, the minimum time

48:37

to call it a fast would be

48:39

twenty four hours. But that's

48:42

not really long enough to address

48:44

a serious health concern. Although

48:46

it may still be helpful, you may feel

48:48

energized and have

48:50

some modest benefit. So

48:53

we're talking about really

48:55

if you want to get into

48:57

some major healing, I would say it

48:59

has to be ten to fourteen

49:01

days minimum, although twenty one

49:04

days seems to be from experience

49:06

a major threshold that it that

49:08

you have a life changing experience

49:11

if you do twenty one days or longer.

49:13

But you get into what's

49:16

called a ketosis metabolism,

49:20

starting around seven, eight days. So

49:22

you can have several days

49:24

in that kind of a of a healing

49:27

state if you do sort

49:29

of a ten to fourteen day fast. So

49:31

that would be kind of too The long time.

49:34

Well, I mean, time is all relative.

49:37

It's safe to fast for

49:40

three or four months, actually. And

49:42

many people have done that, especially

49:45

people who are very overweight can

49:48

fast that long very easily, but we're all

49:50

capable of going

49:52

that long without any

49:55

garvation or major health consequences. Do

49:57

you do that yourself very often that this this

49:59

longer like ten to fourteen day water fast?

50:02

Well, you know, you it's not

50:04

good to do it terribly often

50:06

because you need to have your

50:09

body needs to kind of completely recover

50:11

from it before you do it again.

50:13

You know, it's when your body goes through that

50:15

level of healing, It's

50:17

a lot of things to undertake

50:19

and and, you know, the reason why you have

50:21

to rest while you're fasting is to

50:24

allow your body to use all its energy

50:27

for that purpose. And so

50:29

you don't wanna put your body through that kind

50:31

of procedure again

50:34

so soon unless, you know, it's a necessity

50:36

like that you're addressing a

50:39

life threatening illness and you

50:41

may need to fast several

50:43

times to recover completely.

50:46

So some folks recommend waiting

50:49

six to nine months before doing another

50:51

long fast. Now. If you're doing shorter

50:53

term fast, then it's no problem

50:55

to do them on a, you

50:58

know, somewhat regular basis.

51:00

Like for example, if you wanted to fast

51:02

one day a week, you could certainly

51:04

keep that up and it would not have any

51:07

adverse effects in terms

51:09

of nutritional depletion or anything like

51:11

that. Mhmm. I

51:13

did one about a

51:16

month ago, that was eight days. And

51:19

I wanted to actually go full two weeks,

51:21

but I had unfortunately too

51:23

many business

51:26

obligations to extend

51:28

it, and I had to cut it short a little bit, but

51:30

it was still very beneficial. You

51:32

have you ever tested your blood or anything before or

51:34

after to see if there's any noticeable changes or anything

51:36

in particular that really stands out in response

51:39

to a water fast?

51:41

All my experience as

51:43

a physician has led

51:45

me to conclude that blood tests

51:47

are very misleading. Really? So

51:49

I really never

51:52

use any kind of diagnostic testing.

51:54

I find that you can always figure out what's

51:56

going on by simply talking

51:59

to someone and asking the right

52:00

questions. Really? But yeah.

52:03

Absolutely. So so I

52:06

guess I don't I don't know. Let's say something like

52:09

on vitamin D, how would you

52:12

quantify vitamin D blood levels with

52:14

talking? Well, I wouldn't

52:16

have to look at their blood, I would look at their

52:18

health, and I would look at

52:21

ask them about, you know, their

52:23

lifestyle, what what they're eating,

52:25

where what they're are they spending time

52:27

outdoors, where do they live? And it'd

52:29

be pretty easy to know if

52:31

they were getting a sufficient

52:34

Vitamin D, they're from a dietary source,

52:36

from being out in the sun, also, were

52:38

they getting enough saturated fat

52:41

and cholesterol draw in their diet in order for

52:43

their body to have the raw materials to make

52:45

vitamin D. And then there are other

52:47

hormones that are related to

52:49

vitamin D also being synthesized

52:52

from cholesterol. So I would look at

52:54

those issues and things like testosterone, for

52:57

example, because often when

52:59

there's problems and deficiency in

53:02

one that there's -- Mhmm. -- it's the other.

53:04

So it would basically be focused on

53:07

understanding what the individual's health

53:09

concerns are, and

53:11

then, you know, looking

53:13

for the causes of those things and

53:15

helping them by teaching

53:18

them the information to correct.

53:20

You know, you can get a

53:23

blood vitamin c to go into an

53:25

ideal range by taking a

53:28

synthetic vitamin t three.

53:30

But every time you put that into your body,

53:32

your body sees it as a foreign

53:35

substance, not as a food nutrient,

53:38

and you have an inflammatory response

53:40

and it's not even all

53:42

of the vitamin D components, it's

53:45

just one purified out. So is that

53:47

really gonna be an optimal way

53:49

to improve your body's health. You

53:52

know? So I'm not saying, you know, this is

53:54

something you

53:55

recommend, but but it's not

53:57

the way I look at things. Now now

53:59

what would you say the same thing for, like,

54:01

I don't know, urine testing or stool testing

54:04

or,

54:04

like, salivary genetic testing, things

54:06

like that as well. There's

54:08

really not any diagnostic testing

54:10

whatsoever that I ever recommend

54:12

or think has value. Okay.

54:14

Interesting. So, you know, you

54:17

don't hear that often these days

54:19

in terms of a

54:20

quantification. There's even people will do, like, I

54:22

don't know, you think about this, like, electrical analysis,

54:24

you know, like an a o scan or a body scan

54:26

or or some type of an analysis

54:29

of, you know, meridians and chakras and things like

54:31

that. Would you say the same thing for those type of

54:33

quantification protocols? Well,

54:36

you know, the main

54:38

basis that I've criticized, for

54:40

example, the false

54:42

diagnostic test for COVID was

54:45

because they were never actually validated.

54:48

And a validation study is where you

54:50

basically show does something measure

54:52

what you say it measures. And

54:55

I've not found most of these kind of

54:57

tests that you've mentioned to have undergone

54:59

any kind of basic validation so

55:01

they don't have a known error rate or other

55:04

characteristics. So there's no way to judge

55:06

the validity of their information. But

55:08

let me further expand

55:10

that even if these things are

55:12

validated and are the gold standard.

55:15

So recently, Someone

55:18

I knew was pregnant and

55:20

thought that they had a miscarriage but weren't

55:22

sure. And their Midwife

55:26

had put them through this series of

55:28

blood tests. Now, I heard about this

55:30

from medical school. And if you look

55:32

up in any OB book.

55:34

This is the gold standard of how to

55:36

tell if the pregnancy in

55:39

your belly is still alive. You get

55:41

three blood tests that are called quantitative

55:44

beta HCG, that's the pregnancy hormone.

55:46

But in this case, you just not a yes or

55:48

no test, it's the actual amount of this

55:50

hormone in the blood. And it's supposed

55:52

to be going up during the

55:54

first trimester of pregnancy, and so you

55:57

get three samples

55:59

each two days apart. And

56:01

if the trend is, the number's going up, then

56:04

the pregnancy is good. And if

56:06

the number is going down, then

56:08

you have essentially a miscarriage

56:11

that hasn't come out yet. And

56:14

so she did this test, it

56:16

showed a miscarriage, and then she

56:18

went for an ultrasound, and it showed

56:20

the baby was alive and healthy. So

56:23

if we rely if she relied

56:26

on this test and

56:28

decided to get an abortion, like,

56:30

to clean out the dead material

56:32

in her womb, she would

56:34

have ended up killing an

56:36

alive baby growing inside

56:39

of her. Wow. Crazy.

56:41

Yeah. So that's,

56:43

you know, how I

56:46

don't want to have that kind of a situation.

56:49

And, you know, we could have done

56:51

something very simple, you know, like

56:54

listen for the baby's heartbeat. Yeah.

56:57

To to find out if there's a baby

56:59

in there.

57:00

Yeah. Yeah.

57:01

Interesting. Okay. So

57:03

let let's say that one was gonna

57:05

proceed with water fasting and whether or

57:07

not they were gonna, you know, test or or quantify.

57:10

This seems to be pretty related to

57:12

this other concept that you seem to cover

57:15

quite a bit in terms of the terrain and the environment

57:17

and that that's what you call an Alchemical

57:19

detox. I don't think I've seen that phrase for

57:21

alchemical detox? What does that mean?

57:23

Well, alchemy is kind of this

57:26

ancient science that many of

57:28

the famous scientists and philosophers that

57:31

were taught about in school studied, but

57:34

it's not taught about except

57:36

for the kind of fantasy of

57:38

turning lead into gold. But what

57:40

Alchemical really is is it's a

57:42

way to understand changes

57:45

in nature. Like transformations, like,

57:47

for example, let's

57:50

say that we eat a food like

57:52

a an apple. Okay?

57:54

So we take an apple which is in a certain

57:56

form in nature. Right? It has a red skin.

57:59

It has flesh, a stem, etcetera, seeds

58:01

in the middle. We put that in our

58:03

body. Our body transforms

58:06

that apple into something totally different. Right?

58:08

It becomes part of our flesh. Mhmm.

58:10

Maybe some of it comes out in our stool,

58:13

but when it does, it doesn't look anything like

58:15

an apple, right, unless unless we have some

58:17

mal digestion syndrome. But

58:20

so our bodies take this apple and

58:22

turn it into human flesh and

58:24

that is a natural transformation process.

58:27

And you can use the principles of

58:31

to simply describe or understand

58:34

various steps in that

58:36

transformational process. And

58:38

once I learned about these

58:41

steps and the way of looking at things

58:43

in nature through this simple formulation,

58:46

I saw that it applied to

58:48

healing transformations. Because

58:51

that's, you know, when you're in a state of

58:53

illness and despair and

58:55

disharmony, and then you

58:57

take steps to bring about

58:59

true healing, which involves not

59:02

just doing physical things, but also

59:04

addressing psychological and spiritual,

59:06

like existential issues. You

59:09

go through this process where you transform

59:11

into a healthier state and hopefully

59:14

that is a complete transformation. To

59:16

meet your goals. But even so, it's

59:18

still a change.

59:22

And these steps that are described in Alchemical

59:24

inevitably involved. So

59:26

after observing that, I simply applied

59:29

this kind of understanding to

59:32

all of the detoxification science

59:35

and knowledge that I have. So the course

59:37

really is teaching a

59:39

comprehensive under

59:42

standing of the principles and practices

59:44

of detoxification in general.

59:47

And by the way, including a whole

59:50

module on water, but it's

59:52

understanding them in the context of

59:54

Alchemical transformational

59:56

process. That you will go through

59:59

from the start to the finish

1:00:01

of your your

1:00:02

own personal healing and detox program.

1:00:05

What would what would the Alchemical detox actually

1:00:07

look like? What would be what would somebody be doing on a

1:00:09

on a sample day or something like this?

1:00:12

Well, you know, the course kind of teaches

1:00:14

you how to establish your own

1:00:17

customized protocol to address

1:00:19

a variety of health issues. And

1:00:21

so once you got to that stage,

1:00:24

then, you know, you would basically

1:00:26

have a plant and and it would involve a

1:00:28

number of things. So if you're gonna go through a typical

1:00:31

healing protocol, it would take

1:00:33

minimum of about a month's time. It could

1:00:35

be extended depending on what you're

1:00:37

doing and how much your health is affected.

1:00:40

And it'll involve several components like

1:00:42

there'll be a special

1:00:44

diet that you'll be on, which allows

1:00:46

your body to cleanse. And that could be fasting,

1:00:49

right, which you don't eat anything. It

1:00:51

could be a liquid type of diet where

1:00:53

you're just having juices or

1:00:56

it could be another kind

1:00:58

of cleansing diet usually that

1:01:00

involves just a vegan diet, but occasionally

1:01:03

there might be combination where there's

1:01:05

some kind of nutrient dense food

1:01:08

added to it. And so it depends

1:01:10

on your unique situation. Then

1:01:12

there'll always be a component of

1:01:14

hydration to make sure that you're properly hydrated

1:01:17

and that your needs for water may

1:01:19

go up during your cleansing to help your body

1:01:21

flush out toxins. Like this is

1:01:24

definitely true during a water fast.

1:01:26

My last water fast By

1:01:28

the end, I was drinking six and a half

1:01:32

liters of water in a twenty

1:01:34

four hour period, which is far more than

1:01:36

I would need to drink going

1:01:38

through my regular day to day unless I'm

1:01:41

doing some heavy lifting or

1:01:43

something. Okay. And

1:01:45

then there would always be an elimination aspect

1:01:48

to the program because if your

1:01:50

body is going to loosen up these

1:01:53

toxins that it's been storing or that

1:01:55

have been causing disease in parts of

1:01:57

your body, it needs to get them all

1:01:59

the way out. So usually involving

1:02:02

the bowels or the skin

1:02:05

or other organs of elimination.

1:02:07

Okay. Got it. So when it comes to

1:02:09

this Alchemical detox, you you talk

1:02:12

about healing solvents. And I'm curious

1:02:14

what healing solvent is and how that would be

1:02:16

used as a part of this

1:02:16

protocol. Sure. Healing

1:02:19

solvents are essentially oily

1:02:22

liquids that we are

1:02:25

familiar with many of them, but I know that they're

1:02:27

not generally formulated this way, but they

1:02:29

include castor oil,

1:02:31

essential oils, DMSO,

1:02:36

coconut oil and turpentine,

1:02:38

which is really my

1:02:41

favorite for really intense

1:02:43

healing. Situations. Okay.

1:02:46

And what what my theory

1:02:48

is or my hypothesis and

1:02:50

I don't have studies to test

1:02:52

this, but I do know that

1:02:54

using these healing solvents

1:02:56

in various ways has resulted

1:02:59

in amazing recoveries

1:03:01

from serious illnesses,

1:03:04

things like lupus and

1:03:06

other things. Cardiovascular disease,

1:03:09

etcetera, we could talk about that. But

1:03:11

what I think happens is that since

1:03:14

our body is made of water, and

1:03:18

that there are many of the

1:03:20

toxic substances which are man made, which

1:03:23

are not dissolvable or soluble

1:03:25

in water. And these build

1:03:27

up like a greasy sludge inside

1:03:29

of our body in various places, just

1:03:31

like they would be in a clogged

1:03:35

pipe in your sink. If you've ever

1:03:37

cleared one of those, you see that along the walls

1:03:39

of the pipe is this kind of greasy

1:03:41

sludge. And I think a similar

1:03:43

kind of substance accumulates in your body

1:03:46

and can cause lots of problems with

1:03:48

health. And that these solvents are

1:03:50

able to dissolve

1:03:52

it away, but

1:03:55

in a biologically compatible way,

1:03:57

because all of these solvents come

1:03:59

from plants in the natural world.

1:04:02

And they can dissolve it away, so your body

1:04:04

can completely eliminate it.

1:04:06

And this is a procedure

1:04:09

that allows you to recover

1:04:12

well from many

1:04:13

diseases.

1:04:13

Would that sludge be like biofilm or something

1:04:15

like that? Or do we even know? Well,

1:04:18

I mean, I haven't, you know, actually discovered

1:04:20

the substance or really named

1:04:22

it, but it

1:04:24

may be you know, similar to that. I'm

1:04:27

not sure if that is an oily substance

1:04:29

or not, but you know, we've anyone who's

1:04:32

done an enema or a colonic has

1:04:34

seen some of this material or, you

1:04:36

know, by various other kinds of protocols

1:04:39

with laxatives. I was trying to say,

1:04:40

like, a colonic mucosa or something like

1:04:42

that when when I when you see these stringy

1:04:44

things kinda come out the bud after an enema

1:04:46

or something along those lines?

1:04:48

Yeah. No. I mean, I think that that is,

1:04:51

you know, waste products that build up

1:04:53

on the surface of the inside of your

1:04:56

intestines. And they're

1:04:58

they're kinda sticky and, you know,

1:05:01

they don't come out so easily.

1:05:03

So when you start doing cleansing procedures,

1:05:05

your body goes into this mode

1:05:07

where it starts putting this stuff out more.

1:05:10

You'll, you know, you'll experience when you

1:05:12

if you do one of these that you you'll have

1:05:15

foul smelling things that are, you

1:05:17

know, unexplainable in

1:05:19

the toilet or even many times

1:05:22

seeing worms

1:05:23

in the toilet depending on what's going

1:05:25

on with your health. Now with the colonics, or

1:05:28

or the or the enemas, for example. One

1:05:30

concern that people have about those is that

1:05:32

they could nuke the good bacteria in the

1:05:34

colon or kind of clean you out too

1:05:35

much. Do you think about that idea? And do you

1:05:37

have some way to replenish good bacteria

1:05:40

if so? Yeah. Well, this is definitely

1:05:42

a risk for Collonics, I mean Collonics

1:05:45

have to be used only, you know, intermittently

1:05:48

and for certain situations in a very

1:05:51

time limited manner, like,

1:05:53

you know, two or three and then none for

1:05:55

six months kind of thing

1:05:57

because they can cause those problems. And that

1:05:59

is very different from an enema because you're

1:06:01

using high volume of water under

1:06:03

pressure and it's going, you know, all the way

1:06:05

up to your small intestine. Now when

1:06:07

you're using a regular enema, you're

1:06:10

using a smaller much smaller volume

1:06:12

like one liter or less and

1:06:15

it's only going really into your

1:06:17

rectum and sigmoid colon,

1:06:20

not very far at all. And

1:06:23

I don't really think there's any

1:06:25

risk from doing that

1:06:28

unless you're putting poison

1:06:30

water or some other kind of poison --

1:06:32

Yeah. -- because, you know,

1:06:33

or or perhaps coffee or something like that that

1:06:35

has contaminants in it? Well,

1:06:37

yeah. So it is important if you're gonna

1:06:40

do coffee enemas that you use

1:06:42

you know, organic coffee. I mean,

1:06:44

it still may not be the healthiest thing for your

1:06:46

gut, but that's for, you know, a different

1:06:48

purpose. And coffee enemas is actually

1:06:50

something I'm a big proponent of because there's

1:06:53

amazing data on it, but it is once

1:06:55

again a time limited use.

1:06:57

You're not going to do coffee enemas

1:06:59

forever. You're going to do it for a period usually

1:07:02

two to four weeks. In

1:07:04

order to improve your

1:07:06

liver function. And then then

1:07:08

you don't, you know, then you don't need to do it again. And,

1:07:10

you know, until next year or or

1:07:13

maybe not at all. Unless

1:07:15

you're doing like a serious protocol

1:07:17

for a life threatening cancer or

1:07:19

something like that, you may do it for a more extended

1:07:22

time, but it's a time limited

1:07:24

procedure. With regular water

1:07:26

enemas, there are some people who are

1:07:29

so chronically constipated that they're

1:07:31

unable to reactivate their bowels

1:07:34

or they're unwilling to go through the

1:07:37

kind of tedious long term commitment

1:07:39

to bring that about. And using

1:07:42

a daily enema is

1:07:44

is not been harmful in my experience,

1:07:46

in fact, really can help

1:07:50

stimulate good elimination.

1:07:53

Now, what about the liver? I mean, because what

1:07:55

I understand is that the coffee enema, for example,

1:07:57

can really help to move things through the

1:07:59

liver and and the gallbladder

1:08:01

as well. As far as like a bile dump, I think

1:08:03

they've even, like, quantified or or shown in

1:08:05

some type of a scan, amount of bile that's released

1:08:07

in response to a coffee enema. But

1:08:10

do do you have anything particular that you recommend

1:08:12

for the liver or the gallbladder beyond something

1:08:14

like

1:08:14

that? Well,

1:08:16

there are In fact, another module

1:08:18

in my detox course

1:08:20

is on the liver because this is

1:08:23

an issue that's commonly a barrier

1:08:25

to healing. And what happens

1:08:27

is that because of our lifestyle that

1:08:29

many of the things we're exposed to cause

1:08:32

liver congestion, which is the

1:08:35

same process that leads to what people

1:08:37

know as a fatty liver and

1:08:39

eventually cirrhosis of the liver.

1:08:41

And these are mostly processed

1:08:44

food additives and and

1:08:47

carbohydrates. They

1:08:49

are alcohol, of course, and pharmaceuticals.

1:08:53

Are the biggest insults to

1:08:55

our liver. And the

1:08:57

liver gets clogged up and can't

1:08:59

process as much of the waste over

1:09:02

time, and this can cause all sorts of problems.

1:09:04

So one thing is it causes things

1:09:06

to bypass and go to the skin. So a lot

1:09:08

of skin conditions as

1:09:11

well as allergies and asthma are

1:09:13

worsened because the liver can't process

1:09:16

these poisons accordingly. Of

1:09:19

course, you talked about the stones that

1:09:21

we get, and that's especially when you combine

1:09:23

this problem with dehydration, you increase

1:09:26

the risk, and certain dietary factors.

1:09:29

So all these things can be addressed through

1:09:32

various procedures, you know, that don't involve

1:09:34

any surgery or antibiotics or anything

1:09:36

like that. Coffee enemas

1:09:38

is one very effective way

1:09:40

to address the liver, but it's not something

1:09:42

that you just do a coffee enema

1:09:45

and forget about it. You wanna also

1:09:47

give your liver some rest. So

1:09:49

you want to avoid weed, meat, and dairy

1:09:52

for a period of time. Those require the most

1:09:54

energy from your liver for

1:09:56

digestion. Really meat meat does.

1:09:58

Yeah. Absolutely. And and not, you know,

1:10:00

not saying that it's not healthy to eat meat, but

1:10:03

it does require a lot of

1:10:05

effort from your liver to

1:10:07

process all the nutrients.

1:10:09

And so when you're in working on

1:10:11

your liver, you wanna rest your liver as much

1:10:13

as possible so it can go into healing

1:10:16

mode rather than being stuck in

1:10:19

digestion mode. And then later

1:10:21

on, when you're finished that and you're

1:10:23

rebuilding the liver, that's when you

1:10:25

want it maybe eat liver. Because

1:10:27

then it gives your liver the exact

1:10:29

right nutrients to rebuild the

1:10:32

liver, you know, in a pure way

1:10:34

wherever it's been damaged. Yeah. That's the whole

1:10:36

kind of like like like supports like idea.

1:10:39

Right? Yes. Yes.

1:10:41

But but there are other things to do. There's a

1:10:44

certain specific nutrients that

1:10:46

your liver needs to function optimally.

1:10:48

So you wanna include those in your

1:10:50

diet, things like flavonoids, for

1:10:52

example, sulfur rich

1:10:54

amino acids like cystine

1:10:57

and methionine to help make

1:10:59

glutathione and other compounds.

1:11:03

So you wanna include specific foods

1:11:05

containing those nutrients or some people even

1:11:07

recommend supplements like

1:11:09

MSM for

1:11:11

sulfur where you could take a conjugated, you

1:11:14

know, cystine tablets

1:11:18

I'm not a a fan of the He's conjugated

1:11:20

cystine. Is that like an acetyl cystine? No.

1:11:23

So that an acetyl cystine is

1:11:25

a precursor And that

1:11:27

would be something else that

1:11:29

you could include to repair the liver.

1:11:33

And if you ever have an accidental poisoning,

1:11:35

you'd definitely want to take NAC

1:11:37

and acetyl cystine and vitamin

1:11:40

C. And if you take combine

1:11:42

those two things with water and milk thistle,

1:11:45

chances are you could probably survive almost

1:11:47

any poisoning. Water and

1:11:49

milk thistle plus what?

1:11:51

NAC and vitamin C. Okay. So if

1:11:53

you had some kind of poisoning, you would do NAC

1:11:55

vitamin C

1:11:56

milk thistle and water and that would flush the

1:11:58

body really well. Yes. And,

1:12:00

you know, there might be other things you could that's

1:12:03

when the poison's already inside

1:12:05

your body. If it's still in

1:12:07

your gut, you can use

1:12:09

a, you know, binding agent like charcoal

1:12:12

or zeolite or bentonite clay,

1:12:14

also to it from being absorbed

1:12:17

into your body. But once it's in the

1:12:18

body, those things could

1:12:20

save your life from almost any kind of

1:12:22

poison. Wow. That's fascinating. I haven't heard of

1:12:24

that combination before. Really interesting. And by the

1:12:26

way, for those of you listening, I'm taking notes here that'll put

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1:12:31

KAUF MAN. You

1:12:33

also appear to be a fan of SheilaG. I noticed

1:12:35

that you talked about that in the Alchemical

1:12:37

detox. What's going on with SheilaG? Yes.

1:12:39

Well, Sheila Jeet is a

1:12:41

really important form

1:12:44

of trace minerals. Because of

1:12:46

the way we now grow food

1:12:48

where we're not growing it on our own land

1:12:50

and we're not putting the

1:12:52

animals in our waste back into the

1:12:54

soil. That essentially after

1:12:56

two growing seasons, you're removing many

1:12:59

of the minerals from the soil. And

1:13:01

then, you know, the food is going to another location.

1:13:04

So nothing ever replenishes the

1:13:06

minerals. And pretty much all

1:13:08

of the food we eat is devoid of

1:13:10

these minerals. And, you know, there are about

1:13:12

fifty or so trace minerals

1:13:14

that we need, and it turns out that

1:13:17

most of the proteins in our body use

1:13:20

these trace minerals, these metals,

1:13:23

So for example, hemoglobin, we know

1:13:25

that has an iron in it, and the

1:13:27

iron is the part that binds the oxygen.

1:13:29

So it's critical. And there

1:13:31

are many of these though, like things

1:13:34

like manganese, copper, zinc,

1:13:36

molybdenum, some of them you

1:13:38

may not have even heard of, but our body

1:13:41

uses these things, but

1:13:43

we don't have them. And

1:13:45

instead, we have toxic metals

1:13:47

that were exposed to things like lead,

1:13:50

hexavailing chromium and

1:13:55

aluminum from vaccines

1:13:57

and food storage containers. Right?

1:14:00

And so our bodies actually and

1:14:02

this has been shown scientifically will substitute

1:14:05

these toxic metals because

1:14:07

it's kind of better than nothing, but

1:14:09

our proteins can't function optimally.

1:14:11

Mhmm. So sheeligy is

1:14:14

essentially decomposed ancient

1:14:16

plants but just

1:14:18

the part of them that contains the minerals.

1:14:20

The other part has, you know, been bio

1:14:23

degraded back, you know,

1:14:25

into CO2,

1:14:28

probably. Yeah. Mostly, but

1:14:30

that's carbon. Right? So we're left with

1:14:33

these minerals, and they're conjugated to

1:14:35

fulbic acid, which is what

1:14:37

plants used to suck the minerals

1:14:39

out of the soil and deliver it to their

1:14:41

leaves and stems. And

1:14:44

So this is if we were eating plants

1:14:46

that had the minerals that would be in this

1:14:48

form, but this form is essentially like

1:14:51

a tarry kind of

1:14:53

earth and soily humus type

1:14:56

substance. Yeah.

1:14:58

And that's really interesting because I've used it before

1:15:00

and, you know, liquid and also in a tablet. And

1:15:02

it's very interesting,

1:15:03

indeed. I mean, you you feel a little bit of energy from

1:15:05

it too. Is it in Russia called the the conqueror

1:15:07

of mountains or something like that? Yes.

1:15:09

Yes. It is. Then and

1:15:12

Mummio is the Cyrillic

1:15:14

name for it. Okay. That means

1:15:16

means conquer of mountains. Absolutely. And

1:15:20

so, yes, because if you're devoid

1:15:22

in these minerals, which we we all are,

1:15:25

then you're body's

1:15:27

physiology is not optimal.

1:15:29

And when you replenish them, you can

1:15:32

notice various types of improvements.

1:15:34

All kinds of things improved

1:15:36

sexual function, improved growth

1:15:39

of hair, skin and nails, improvement

1:15:44

of, like, edema, like swelling of tissues.

1:15:47

Some folks have reported. All

1:15:49

these kinds of improvements can

1:15:52

occur once you with

1:15:53

minerals. And this is obviously all

1:15:56

kind of like it's all

1:15:58

organized if someone were to go to Alchemical

1:16:00

detox course. I think it's called

1:16:02

a True Medicine University is your

1:16:05

website. And so you you walk people

1:16:07

through how to do the

1:16:08

colon, how to deliver, when to take the SheilaG,

1:16:10

all these things? Yeah.

1:16:12

So for all of these procedures,

1:16:15

first of all, there's like a video lesson

1:16:19

that I teach you about all these things.

1:16:22

And then we have tons of reference

1:16:25

documents as well as all

1:16:27

of my written protocols, which are

1:16:29

there in very, very detail. So

1:16:31

it includes, you know, how to

1:16:33

guides, tips, places

1:16:36

to record your progress and

1:16:38

plan out your own detox plus

1:16:40

exactly, you know, the protocols

1:16:42

that I've developed and that I teach to

1:16:45

my clients that you can either use,

1:16:47

you know, as template to customize or you

1:16:49

can use them exactly that

1:16:51

way. But it's really

1:16:55

designed so that you can learn

1:16:57

everything from the all of the theoretical

1:17:00

background information to

1:17:02

the clinical evidence for these various

1:17:04

substances and procedures, all

1:17:06

the way to the very Alchemical, how do I

1:17:08

do this? You know, what kind of materials

1:17:11

do I need to buy? You

1:17:13

know, what are the tips and tricks to overcome

1:17:16

troubleshooting? And then Also, everyone

1:17:18

who's in the course gets access to

1:17:21

a special telegram group for students

1:17:23

only where I answer questions

1:17:26

about the material on a daily

1:17:28

basis. Okay. Alright. Cool.

1:17:30

And then the the film project something different.

1:17:32

That's something that that people can go and watch on

1:17:34

a different website. Right? The the terrain

1:17:36

project that

1:17:37

Yes. Yeah. Well, the terrain, the film

1:17:39

is, you know, a regular movie. In fact,

1:17:42

Much to my surprise, it's

1:17:44

just been listed on Amazon

1:17:47

Prime. So you can actually go to

1:17:49

any hotel, anyone home in the world

1:17:51

pretty much and get on

1:17:53

the computer or the TV and

1:17:55

can stream it right on Amazon. Also,

1:17:58

this is a major breakthrough you

1:18:01

know, get this to a much much wider audience.

1:18:03

And we we negotiated with them

1:18:05

to have the cheapest price

1:18:08

available. So it's only ninety nine

1:18:10

cents actually to watch this film. Okay.

1:18:12

Cool. So I'll I'll link to that as well

1:18:14

so you guys can check it out is a really great

1:18:16

film and builds on a lot of the concepts that

1:18:18

Andrew just kind of didn't get chance to

1:18:20

take a deep dive into today, but give us a real

1:18:22

good preview of. And I'm even thinking about perhaps

1:18:25

because I like to do a little bit of a detox at the

1:18:27

beginning of each year. I'm thinking about trying out Alchemical

1:18:30

detox myself just as a little bit of immersive

1:18:32

journalism. If I do, I'll let you guys

1:18:34

know how it goes. We're we're we're just

1:18:36

about at a time here, but what I wanna tell folks listening

1:18:38

in is that if you go to Ben Greenfield dot

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kaufman. I'll I'll link to Andrew and in his

1:18:43

Alchemical detox in his film and everything

1:18:46

else that he does. And any any less words that

1:18:48

that you would like to share with people regarding their internal

1:18:50

terrain or detoxification or anything like that

1:18:52

while I have you on Andrew? Well, I just

1:18:54

want to really leave an

1:18:57

overall guiding message which is that

1:18:59

Each and every one of us are really

1:19:02

capable of taking charge

1:19:04

of our own health

1:19:06

and healing and learning this

1:19:08

information or working, you know,

1:19:10

with someone who really knows it to help educate

1:19:13

us and taking your own steps

1:19:15

like you don't need to be dependent on

1:19:18

the system. You don't need to take poisonous

1:19:20

pills or injections. You don't need to get

1:19:22

sliced open. You just need

1:19:25

to learn how to use these

1:19:27

natural approaches and take

1:19:29

control of your life, and you can really do

1:19:32

everything you wanna do and have amazing

1:19:34

results. Amazing.

1:19:35

Alright. Well, cool. I will I will link to all

1:19:37

this at vanguard for life dot com slash kaufman,

1:19:40

KAUF MAN. Andrew,

1:19:42

you're doing some really helpful things in the health industry.

1:19:44

So thank you for what you're doing and

1:19:47

keep up the great work, man. Alright.

1:19:49

Thank you so much for having me on, Ben.

1:19:51

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to do that for you on this episode

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today. And if you liked it, or if you love

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what I'm up to, then please leave me a review

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on your preferred podcast listening channel,

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wherever that might be, and then just find the Ben

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Group Foot Life episode. Say something nice.

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Thanks so

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much. It means a lot.