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My name is Ben Greenfield and on this episode

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of the Ben Greenfield Life Podcast. So

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yeah, I saw you on your Instagram having a

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procedure done with methylene blue antibiotics

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and ozone therapy being injected into

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your prostate. Oh

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yes, Dr. John Lawrence. I actually

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had ketamine IV because it's obviously

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legal there. I had 50

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milligrams twice. I

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left the planet, saw the divine, didn't even know the

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needle went into me. I was gone. I was

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on one of his... The

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advantage of that, by the way, is the ketamine stage

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in your system afterwards. You're probably less sore than I was.

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I wasn't sore at all. It

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was a bit weird going for pee for the first time,

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but apart from that, it was fantastic. Fitness,

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to see you there. Ben,

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it's great to have you on the

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podcast or the dual podcast today. Looking

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forward to this riffing session. Yeah, it's

6:11

kind of turned into an annual thing.

6:13

I've seen

6:15

in the headlines you advertise as

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the UK's leading biohacker and I've

6:21

heard me advertise as America's most

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foolish biohacker. So the

6:25

great minds unite. So here we are

6:27

yet again. It's funny the labels that

6:30

people give us. I know.

6:32

This is always fun though. It's kind of like

6:34

our annual random show review of all things biohacking

6:38

and health optimization. So I get a kick out of it.

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Yeah, totally. Me too. Me too actually.

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Yeah, I guess it's our third year.

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Oh, third year. Yeah, probably. What is

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this? The third year I've been coming over to the... We

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usually do this as the lead up to the Health Optimization

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Summit. So yeah, I

6:56

get to pick your brain about all the crazy technologies

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you're going to have over there. Yeah, man.

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So what's been new lately?

7:03

You added anything interesting

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into the daily routine? Well,

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I'm going to start right on in with the most extreme thing

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I've done in the year actually that

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you recommended on your Instagram a few

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months ago. Oh, yes.

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Dr. John Lawrence. So yeah, I

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saw you on your Instagram having

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a procedure done

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with methylene blue antibiotics and

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ozone therapy being injected into

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your prostate. And

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I just like Ben is definitely

7:33

out there. Yeah,

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I mean, I want to

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hear your feedback on it. But I

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was on a walk with John when I was down

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there in Florida. And he's telling me about this protocol

7:45

that had plummeted prostate

7:47

specific antigen in people

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and resulted in a market

7:52

reduction in nighttime urination frequencies.

7:54

And my ears kind of propped up when he talked

7:57

about that just because what guy doesn't want to...

8:00

wake up at night to pee less. So

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anyways, it involved like a, I mean, you

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did it, Tim, super long, long

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needle that goes into the prostate. Fortunately, there's

8:08

a little bit of numbing and

8:10

what's it called, the nitrous oxide, the lapping

8:12

gas that he has you breathe as you're

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doing it. So you don't feel as much

8:17

pain during, but yeah, he injects

8:19

the prostate using ultrasound

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guided imaging with methylene

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blue and ozone.

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And interestingly, there's a little

8:28

bit of an antifungal antibacterial effect of that

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as well. So hurt

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like a mother, this is probably

8:34

bad advertising for him, hurt like a mother for like

8:36

two or three hours after he'd injected,

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it was just sore down there. I had like an

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ice pack on my crotch

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and I'll be interested to hear

8:45

your experience. But basically nighttime urination

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reduced significantly. And

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what's super interesting, I

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didn't expect this, this might be a little bit of a

8:56

grimace TMI for people, but

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my wife, for

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the longest time had been kind

9:02

of like having almost like cloudy

9:04

urine in the morning, almost like a

9:06

yeast fungal type of type

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of thing most likely, and totally

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went away after I did the procedure. And

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I think that and Dr. John

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verified this often happens, you

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know, men carry yeast, fungal infections,

9:21

etc, in their prostate. And this

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seems to have new to that because as

9:26

soon as I got home, whatever I had

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likely been passing on to her during

9:31

sex just completely disappeared. Yeah,

9:34

I concur. I mean, when you when you shared

9:36

out about it, I was like, this is out

9:38

there, but I've had prostate issues on and off

9:40

for years for you know, when it when

9:43

it's used too much, it flares up a

9:45

bit. And also, you know, my partner at

9:47

the time was getting, you know, frequent

9:50

urination after after sex. So of course, when I saw

9:52

it, I thought I'm going to dive in them. I'm

9:54

going to Miami anyway, so I'm going to take a

9:56

drive up and see them in Sarasota. And

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I obviously didn't have the nitrous oxide.

10:02

I actually had ketamine IV because it's

10:05

obviously legal there. I

10:08

had 50 milligrams twice. I left

10:11

the planet, saw the divine, didn't even know the needle

10:13

went into me. I was gone. I was on

10:15

one of his... The advantage

10:17

of that, by the way, is the ketamine stays in your

10:19

system afterwards. You're probably less sore than I was. I

10:22

wasn't sore at all. It was a bit weird

10:24

going for pee for the first time, but apart

10:26

from that, it was fantastic. I

10:29

went back and did it a second time as well, a few

10:31

weeks ago. As

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I was lying on there, high out of

10:35

my head on ketamine while they were doing

10:37

this procedure, I was listening to this meditation

10:39

device on a vibrating warming pad and

10:42

whatnot. I was just like, what do

10:44

I get myself into? What am I

10:46

doing? To be honest, the frequent urination

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has been fantastic. I've not been waking

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in the night to go pee at

10:52

all. There's a lot less pressure there

10:54

and I'm peeing faster as well. For

10:56

the ladies listening to this, sorry, we've

10:58

gone about this for men, but I

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think the benefit, as Ben said, for

11:02

the females in our

11:05

lives is fantastic because getting

11:09

UTIs after sex is quite common for women

11:11

and that's because men harbor bacteria and yeast

11:13

in their prostate. Yeah, Tim, you can't gloss

11:15

over what you said there, the interesting urination

11:17

afterwards, because that's the only time I've ever,

11:20

pardon the expression, earmuffs on the kids in the

11:22

minivan farted out of my dick. As

11:25

a matter of fact, Dr. John came up to me

11:27

afterwards and said he wants to rename it the Barking

11:29

Elephant Protocol because that ozone gas

11:31

has to go somewhere. In this case, it

11:33

came out the urethra. Instead of pee,

11:35

it was just gas. I

11:37

had that and I was like, I'm pretty

11:40

sure. I'm

11:42

pretty sure I should

11:44

not be having air coming out of that thing.

11:46

It was very strange. I was a bit freaked

11:48

out, so I'm glad you had it too. Nobody

11:52

needs at least one opportunity in their life for

11:54

the wrong stuff to come out of the wrong

11:56

orifice. Oh man. Yeah, anyway, so it was a

11:58

fantastic procedure and I'm very... I'm very grateful for

12:00

you sharing it out even though it was the most out

12:02

there procedure I've ever had. Yeah,

12:04

absolutely. So, you know, related

12:07

to maybe not fringe

12:09

procedures, but actual technologies, you know, the

12:11

past few years, I've kind of picked

12:13

your brain about anything cool that might

12:15

be appearing at the summit

12:18

this year, at the Health Optimization Summit in London.

12:20

Is there any kind of insider

12:22

glimpses you can give us as to any new

12:24

technologies? I think last year was some kind of

12:28

a big anti-aging plasma technology

12:30

bed or something like that.

12:33

The human regenerator. So, yeah, ions,

12:35

electrons in a 50,000 volt electric

12:37

static field. So basically, you know,

12:39

recharging on a cellular level. That

12:41

was fantastic, actually. I love

12:44

that device. It's a bit too expensive to

12:46

have at home. Yeah, that was like

12:48

over $100,000, I think. I

12:51

wouldn't try it until I'm super relaxed afterwards.

12:53

There's a bed over here that's been going

12:55

around to the different health expos in the

12:57

US, at least called the AMORTAL, which

12:59

is ozone therapy,

13:02

PMF, infrared, sound

13:04

therapy, kind of all in one. And

13:07

you know, it's a similar type of thing, but just

13:09

not that accessible to the general population to put in

13:11

their own home. But what

13:13

are you excited about this year over there? Personally,

13:16

it's not new, but I'm most

13:18

excited about actually is BrainTap again,

13:20

because I

13:23

lost track of my BrainTap. It actually broke

13:25

quite some time ago, so I hadn't been

13:27

using it. And I forgot how amazing it

13:29

is in terms of putting you into alternative

13:31

states. So if you're doing a ketamine

13:33

journey, for instance, and you put your BrainTap on,

13:35

it's fantastic. Or if you had a stressful day,

13:37

or if you want to get ready for bed.

13:39

So I've actually re-found my BrainTap. And

13:42

they're at the show, actually quite in a

13:44

big way this year. So I'm really excited

13:46

for that. And they've got a really, really

13:48

nice experiential booth set up. We should probably

13:50

explain to people what the BrainTap is, huh?

13:53

Yeah, so it's... Think of

13:55

it as headphones, similar to what I'm wearing right now, if you can

13:57

see. With...

14:00

like a mask that comes down

14:02

with LED lights behind it. So

14:04

it changes different light therapy for

14:07

your eyes to help induce states and

14:09

gives you audio which

14:13

does have Dr. Patrick Porter's voice in

14:15

it sometimes in

14:17

terms of hypnosis. So you can hear chilled

14:19

tunes with hypnosis over the top of it.

14:22

And sometimes you have different words

14:24

in each ear. So therefore your

14:27

unconscious accepts because you can't listen to

14:29

both. So it

14:31

puts you into different brain states. And I

14:33

find the best time for me using it

14:35

is actually when I'm in a hyperbaric chamber.

14:37

So I find that

14:39

I fall into the state of

14:41

dreaming. You

14:44

know, the moment you just about fall asleep and

14:46

you know, you start having all the crazy thoughts.

14:48

Brain tap puts me into that when I'm in

14:50

the hyperbaric every single time, nearly every single time.

14:52

And it's fantastic. When I come

14:54

out the other side, I feel like I've had a, you know,

14:56

I've had a four hour sleep, you know, a top up. How

14:59

about you? What's your thoughts on brain tap? The

15:02

same thing. First of all, it's like

15:04

turkey and cranberries when you use it in the

15:06

hyperbaric. Meaning if you want

15:08

to use one of their sessions for meditation

15:11

or hypnosis or deep sleep onset, or I mean,

15:13

he's got all sorts of crazy sessions in there.

15:16

Like turn your body into its

15:18

own pain killing machine. Or

15:20

there's one for low back pain. There's

15:22

one for headaches. There's like 800 different

15:24

recipes in it. But yeah,

15:26

there's something about the hyper oxygenation and

15:29

the pressure that occurs in

15:31

a hyperbaric. You know, the brain tap works well, you

15:33

know, if you're not in the hyperbaric, that

15:36

shifts you into this, yeah,

15:39

it's basically like a hypnotic state

15:41

in which you're half awake, half

15:43

asleep, is basically hypnosis. And

15:45

I'm not hypnotizable. I've

15:48

had many hypnotists try, but

15:51

that brain tap shifts me into that state

15:54

within about five minutes flat. So I've

15:56

got about 20 of my

15:58

favorite sessions downloaded. so I can use it

16:00

in airplane mode in the

16:03

hyperbaric or elsewhere, anything from 10

16:06

minute up to, my favorite protocols are 40 to

16:08

60 minutes long, particularly the ones where he's got

16:10

that doctor in there that's walking

16:13

you through these mind journeys to like

16:15

Egypt and outer space

16:17

and Atlantis. And there's something

16:19

about like this cartoonish

16:21

exploration of the universe right in the middle of

16:24

a busy day when you just need to check

16:26

out and relax. It's

16:28

absolutely incredible. And yes, it's

16:31

something about the combination of targeting the

16:33

photo receptors in the ears, the

16:36

photo receptors in the eyes, the sound,

16:38

as you noted, the, what's it called

16:41

when there's the second voice, the dual

16:43

voice? Subliminal,

16:45

subliminal, yeah. Yeah, subliminal, that's the word I

16:47

was looking for. Yeah, it's almost like a

16:49

little bit of a subliminal messaging

16:51

worked in. And man, that thing just

16:53

works. I've

16:56

got to hang in next to my hyperbaric right now,

16:58

so absolutely, I agree, it's

17:00

pretty incredible. Did you do a track

17:02

on it once that was on BrainTap?

17:05

Glad you asked, yeah. I've got

17:08

six tracks on the BrainTap. Most

17:11

of them are spiritual in nature, like

17:14

gratitude exploration, breathing protocols,

17:16

prayer protocols, and

17:19

then we've got this other app I've been

17:21

working with called the BreathSource. I don't know

17:23

if you've messed around with that one, but I

17:26

was looking for an app that could combine

17:29

spirituality and breath work, because I find that breath

17:31

work helps to shift me into a little

17:34

bit more of a spiritual

17:36

state and combines well with prayer,

17:39

reading scripture, et cetera. So

17:42

I recorded a bunch of sessions for this BreathSource app,

17:44

and some of them are just like, there's

17:46

one that's a total kick your ass,

17:49

like 75 minute holotropic session,

17:52

all the way down to 10 minute

17:54

long Jesus prayer sessions.

17:56

So most of the stuff I've

17:58

recorded that lives in an app is, in

18:00

BrainTap or in the BreathSource app.

18:03

Yeah, it's good. It's really good.

18:05

Isn't it crazy how BreathWork is going,

18:07

literally exploding everywhere right now? I mean,

18:09

in London, we have different BreathWork sessions

18:11

pretty much every night of the week

18:13

in different locations everywhere. It's

18:15

like really catching on quite quickly. I

18:18

think it's bringing a lot of people

18:20

into the space. I have a new

18:22

guy I've been following. I'll tell you

18:24

about him. His name's Kataro Wagga. K-I-T-A-R-O

18:27

Wagga. W-A-G-A.

18:31

My sons and I are going to go over to Germany

18:34

in December and do a

18:37

Wim Hof course together. This is kind of like a little

18:39

father-son adventure on the

18:41

mountains with the ice and the breath and everything because

18:44

they're leaving to go on their gap trip. They finish high school

18:46

here in a few months and they're just going to go travel

18:48

the world by themselves

18:50

just to learn how the

18:52

world works at 16 years old. They're going to do

18:54

Ireland, Iceland, and Scotland. They

18:56

got a bunch of hikes and farm

18:58

stays and hostels all picked out. Then

19:01

we're meeting up in Germany at the end of that for

19:03

Wim Hof. A lot of these BreathWork

19:06

apps, other

19:10

ship would be one example. There's a lot

19:12

of YouTube channels, obviously. There's that BreathSource app

19:15

that I talked about. Many

19:17

of them have kind

19:20

of like a pranayama, breath of fire type

19:22

of feel to them. A lot

19:24

of times the demos will be like, you

19:30

know, a lot of really rapid, sympathetically

19:33

stimulating BreathWork. That's really not classic

19:36

Wim Hof though. This Kataro Wagga guy, he's

19:38

got a bunch of free sessions on YouTube

19:41

around 20 minutes in length. This is what my son's

19:43

been doing in the morning. We did a session this

19:45

morning. We just finished about an hour and a half

19:47

ago. It's more of

19:49

a cadence like this. It's belly chest head. You're

19:58

just doing that for two or three minutes. And

20:00

then similar to what a lot of people

20:02

have done when half are familiar with you

20:04

finish with a big inhale you exhale During

20:07

the exhale to be a body scan or a meditation

20:09

or gratitude work or something like that But

20:12

doing I'm doing Wim Hof

20:15

properly slowly mindfully

20:18

with Typically a

20:20

real focus on a big belly

20:22

chest head inhale has

20:25

been a Really

20:27

different journey for me with breath work and you know,

20:29

what's interesting is the first few times we

20:31

did some of his sessions I was sore as

20:33

hell low back Diaphragmatic muscles

20:35

inspiratory expiratory muscles even my stomach

20:38

and my abs so

20:40

there's there's something that's a little bit

20:42

more Activating for a lot of

20:44

that musculature when you go

20:46

slow But you go deep on the inhale

20:49

and then the exhale is basically just like

20:51

a you know Relaxed puff and what's also

20:53

interesting is the exhale

20:55

holds you can go Way

20:57

longer with that type of approach I suspect

21:00

because you're not getting your heart rate up

21:02

and you know almost fatiguing yourself with kind

21:04

of like the more rapid Frantic

21:06

breath work. So yeah, absolutely I

21:08

you know, I'm still into the

21:10

breath work still doing it

21:12

multiple times per week and that a Katara

21:14

Wagga guys My latest fine. Well,

21:16

I just followed him on Instagram So I'm sure

21:18

after people hearing this they're gonna he's gonna get

21:21

a few more followers It's fun something that I

21:23

had about a week ago No

21:25

two weeks ago now was them I've

21:27

been practicing my breath holds for swimming underwater

21:30

actually and since I've been doing nose breathing now for

21:32

quite a few years my Being

21:35

able to hold under the water and swim, you

21:37

know using using oxygen as well as holding breath

21:40

Has got better and better and better But I

21:42

found the other last week or

21:45

the week before that when I took methylene blue

21:47

and I was at 50 milligrams I Could

21:51

swim underwater significantly

21:53

further and with you know more

21:55

activity I not having to restrict

21:57

my or should I say use less

22:00

energy to swim, I found that

22:02

I could do almost double as much underwater

22:04

as I could do without it. So I

22:06

don't know if you if you pair your

22:08

methylene blue with

22:10

breathwork or anything like that. Yeah

22:12

I mean I have it. It's interesting you

22:15

know methylene blue is not just something you inject

22:17

into your prostate fellas. You

22:20

know it's a very interesting

22:22

collective antioxidant. So you know for

22:24

example it'll quell the formation of

22:26

some reactive oxygen species like

22:29

you know endogenous nitric oxide

22:31

synthase which can cause

22:33

harm and cell damage, cell

22:36

membrane damage long term while

22:39

it also acts as

22:41

a pro-oxidant you know that's a mild

22:44

oxidative stress or as

22:46

well as an antioxidant. The only other thing

22:49

I think kind of works similarly is molecular

22:51

hydrogen but methylene blue

22:53

of course also I shouldn't

22:56

say of course as though people know this but

22:58

but it helps to activate the

23:00

cytochrome C oxidase pathway meaning

23:02

that in response to photons

23:05

of light, oxygen, even

23:07

radiation that you might get from PMF for

23:09

grounding or earthing something or something like that

23:12

it'll increase ATP production and

23:15

hence you know the oxygen that you

23:17

might be holding for a breath hold is going to

23:19

go for a longer period of time because

23:21

less is necessary for ATP

23:24

production. Now of course you know

23:27

we should come around and say this Tim like shallow

23:30

water blackout is a thing don't do something

23:32

like you know Wim Hof like we were

23:34

just talking about and then underwater hypoxic

23:36

swimming. Now when I am

23:38

at a hotel when I'm traveling and have access to a

23:40

good pool I love to get

23:42

in the water in the morning take a big

23:44

breath hold my breath swim the

23:47

one end of the pool get

23:49

up take a few deep breaths hold my breath swim

23:51

to the other end of the pool and

23:53

for me it's got this real nice you

23:56

know underwater yoga type of feeling to it

23:58

but I never push myself

24:01

farther than maybe like 80% of

24:04

what I could actually do for a breath hold because

24:07

a lot of people have passed away with

24:10

shallow water blackout and sometimes

24:12

you don't know that you're

24:14

going to pass out until right before you do and

24:17

then you do. And that's actually happened to me on dry land

24:19

before in some freediving

24:21

and spearfishing expeditions. My

24:24

last spearfishing expedition, 5am, I knocked myself out

24:26

on the dock and just woke

24:28

up with my son standing over me asking me what happened.

24:31

So you do need to be

24:33

careful. But yeah, methylene blue, it's

24:35

interesting in that sense. And

24:38

this is actually something I was thinking about mentioning

24:40

or talking about at the

24:42

Health Optimization Summit in more detail when

24:45

I come over to London this June. And

24:48

that's this idea of mitochromesis.

24:52

Have you talked about mitochromesis watching your podcast, Tim? No,

24:55

not yet. Okay, so when

24:58

you look at oxidative stress and

25:00

the whole free radical theory

25:02

of aging, which also known as the

25:05

mitochondrial free radical theory of aging, and somebody

25:07

can make an emmer-effer

25:10

joke somewhere in there, the mitochondrial

25:12

free radical theory of aging, it's

25:14

this idea that reactive

25:16

oxygen species, you know, super

25:18

oxides and the like, hydroxyl

25:21

radicals in the body can cause cellular

25:23

damage, DNA damage and

25:25

accelerated aging, which is a

25:27

reasonable hypothesis. But

25:30

when this was proposed

25:32

way back in the 70s, one

25:36

of the proposed mechanisms therefore to fight

25:38

aging was the consumption of a high

25:40

amount of antioxidants. And

25:42

paradoxically, consuming a high

25:44

amount of antioxidants seemed to

25:47

actually slightly shorten lifespan in

25:49

a lot of these, you know, fruit flies and worms

25:51

and yeast and the like that they were doing these

25:53

experimentations on. So then

25:56

upon further investigation, and this has gone all

25:58

the way up till this year. it

26:01

turns out that appropriate

26:03

kind of like Goldilocks zone

26:06

doses of reactive oxygen species induce

26:09

this so-called hormetic benefit like damaging

26:11

the mitochondria and the cellular membranes

26:13

just slightly to an extent to

26:16

where you get a large amount

26:18

of endogenous antioxidant production

26:21

and a life extension effect. And

26:23

this would be true for everything

26:26

from exercise to heat

26:29

to cold so hyperthermia and hypothermia

26:31

do it. Hyperoxia

26:34

and hypoxia do it so something you

26:36

said for breath work, exercise

26:38

with oxygen therapy, intermittent

26:41

hypoxic training, hyperbaric

26:43

therapy and then radiation

26:46

like low dose radiation even something as simple

26:48

as what you get from the earth while

26:50

earthing and grounding, sunlight

26:53

radiation like mild amounts of UVA

26:55

and UVB radiation and even

26:57

alcohol interestingly as one

27:00

of these mild hormetic stressors that

27:02

induces mitochondrial biogenesis

27:05

and increased efficiency of

27:07

mitochondrial pathways while also

27:09

inducing cellular resilience in

27:11

the body because of the

27:14

body's ability to produce its own antioxidants.

27:16

Matter of fact it's kind of funny

27:18

because some of

27:20

the literature I've been reading on this refers to

27:23

this idea of mitohormesis from

27:25

mild oxidative stressors being

27:27

a sub lethal stressor. That's literally what one of

27:29

the papers I was reading the other day called

27:31

a sub lethal stressor. So it's

27:33

basically this whole like what

27:36

doesn't kill you makes you stronger type

27:38

of effect and any of

27:40

these things you could do

27:42

in excess. One of the ones I didn't mention

27:44

for example Tim is wild plants and herbs and

27:47

spices like you know berberine and

27:49

curcumin and the like. Sulfurifane is

27:51

also a perfect example. You

27:54

could overdo any of those and get gut distress.

27:56

You could obviously overdo alcohol. You could overdo exercise.

27:58

You could say the sauna for two. long,

28:00

you can get too much sympathetic activation

28:02

from cold, you get excess radiation,

28:04

you get sunburns from the sun, but

28:07

in small doses, these

28:10

things are all inducing a

28:12

mitohormetic response. And back

28:15

to methylene blue, the

28:17

fact that methylene blue acts as

28:20

a selective antioxidant, so

28:22

rather than like high dose vitamin C

28:24

or vitamin E or some kind of

28:26

antioxidant powder that would quell the hormetic

28:28

response, methylene

28:31

blue and hydrogen

28:33

would be two examples of

28:36

an antioxidant that is not going to limit

28:39

mitohormesis. And that's not to say that other

28:41

antioxidants aren't appropriate, but you wouldn't want to

28:44

do them close to a heat session or

28:46

cold session or an exercise session.

28:49

And you want to be careful with dosage. So yeah,

28:52

I am a fan of methylene blue. Yeah, I mean,

28:54

I read a book on methylene blue recently. I can't

28:56

remember what the title was, but it had methylene blue

28:58

in it, so it's not going to be too, it's

29:01

going to be fairly easy to find on Amazon.

29:03

But I was shocked by

29:05

the amount of benefits and how selective

29:07

it is for bad cells and damaged

29:10

mitochondria, apparently, and how it avoids the

29:12

cells that doesn't need it and goes

29:14

to the cells that does need it.

29:17

So very selective. And it's fantastic

29:19

how it donates an electron

29:21

to the electron transport chain for obviously

29:23

energy production. It's fantastic molecule,

29:26

fantastic drug, should I say.

29:28

And I love how it

29:30

seems to be popping up everywhere now. And it

29:32

was first introduced, I think, well, reintroduced

29:35

by Dr. Teg Akikoso with

29:38

the troscriptions guys. Yeah, they made them, they made

29:40

it popular again. And now it seems to be

29:42

everywhere. Yeah, my dentist doesn't like it, though. My

29:44

dentist doesn't like the trochees. Matter of fact, so

29:46

much so because I've been doing a lot of

29:49

holistic dentistry at a place down in

29:51

Phoenix, this gal I've had in

29:53

my podcast, Dr. Aniko Loud, she just reinvents

29:55

your whole mouth. She does cone scans, CT

29:57

scans, x rays, and analyzes

30:00

the jaw, the bite, the teeth, reforms

30:02

the jaw using mouth wear that you wear

30:05

at night and during the day. And

30:07

then once she's done all of that, and I'm on

30:09

the tail end of reshaping my jaw

30:12

to like a year, she then goes

30:14

in and does the actual work

30:16

as far as whether it be

30:18

reshaping the teeth, veneers, the

30:20

life to really improve your smile. But

30:23

she complains the past few times I've

30:25

been in that she can find little

30:27

specks of blue in my teeth. So

30:30

lately I've been using this stuff called Bio

30:32

Blue. It's a form of methylene

30:35

blue that bypasses liver digestion. It's

30:38

a dropper and I like it because I can put it

30:40

right towards the back of the throat. It's

30:42

got NAD gold, silver, minerals, and

30:46

methylene blue in it, like really high

30:48

quality pharmaceutical grade methylene blue. So probably

30:50

it's called Bio Blue. I

30:53

like it for anybody who wants to

30:55

avoid the smurf mouth phenomenon. Yeah,

30:57

I get a brand from a clinic here

30:59

in London. They have a compounding pharmacy, make

31:01

one for it. And it's

31:04

IV Boost in Wimpole Street that do

31:07

it. Yeah, they

31:09

do it capsules at 20 or 40 milligrams, something

31:11

like that. And I find that that to be

31:13

fantastic. It bypasses the mouth. And I think I

31:15

did hear the other day that if you have

31:18

it in the mouth way too much, then it

31:20

can completely disrupt your oral microbiome, which then obviously

31:22

affects nitric oxide production and

31:24

your gut bacteria a little bit too much. But

31:26

if you take it and it goes straight into

31:28

the stomach, apparently it has a different effect on

31:30

the microbiome. So that's just one thing I'm

31:33

quite conscious of. Let's talk peptides,

31:35

specifically peptides that you can

31:37

take orally because

31:40

of course you can get

31:42

injection syringes and reconstitution

31:44

solutions and powders and

31:46

do all the math. But then it's

31:48

interesting because a lot of these peptides,

31:50

even the ones that have been increasingly

31:53

unavailable of late in the

31:56

US are actually available orally.

31:59

I interviewed this guy. named Kyle Vanderlyn. Way

32:01

back, we talked about this gut repair

32:03

formula. It had amongst other things a

32:06

very popular peptide, BBC 157 in it,

32:08

but a whole bunch of other gut

32:10

compounds that support digestion, help with leaky

32:12

gut, things like that. Well,

32:15

in follow-up conversations with Kyle, it

32:17

turns out he also has access

32:19

to GHK copper peptide, which is

32:21

the tissue healing stem cell activating

32:23

peptide. Orally, bioavailable, he's

32:25

figured out how to do that

32:27

with his company, LevelUp Health. They

32:29

also have KPV, an anti-inflammatory

32:31

immune modulating peptide, which has

32:33

some really good studies on

32:36

it for healing IBD, mold

32:38

illness, inflammatory skin conditions. There's

32:40

another one called lorazotide, the

32:42

so-called anti-celiac tight junction repair

32:44

peptide. There's Imosin beta,

32:46

fantastic for immune function and

32:48

for helping with tendon healing,

32:50

inflammation, and strength. So

32:52

it's interesting because LevelUp Health literally

32:54

has these on their website, and

32:56

you can buy them in a

32:59

bottle. They even have this really cool

33:01

peptide cheat sheet download PDF, which helps

33:03

a ton with figuring out which ones

33:05

work well for you. The top

33:07

shelf of my pantry has a bunch of

33:09

peptides in it with no injections required, and

33:12

they're all from LevelUp Health. So

33:14

I talked to Kyle, he wanted to

33:16

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33:29

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33:37

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34:04

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34:06

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34:09

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34:11

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Kind of similar to ozone in that sense. You

35:27

know, excess use, whether it's like blood

35:30

ozonation or swallowable

35:32

capsules or rectal

35:34

insufflation or whatever. If you overdo it,

35:37

there is a thing as

35:40

far as the idea behind being too clean, right?

35:42

It's kind of the opposite of the hygiene hypothesis.

35:44

Kids who have stronger immune systems grow

35:46

up with a lot of brothers and sisters and

35:48

are on farms and kiss their dogs in the

35:51

face and get outdoors a lot. And

35:53

kids who are kind of like live in a bubble with

35:56

an N95 face mask on in their bedroom playing

35:58

TikTok have weaker immune systems. because they're not

36:00

getting all that exposure. What we as

36:02

biohackers could create the same scenario with

36:05

excess methylene blue or ozone

36:07

or anything like that. Yet, I

36:11

think there is a

36:13

protocol that Dr. John Laurent suggested of about

36:16

four to five days on, two to three

36:18

days off with methylene blue. And then with

36:21

ozone, my own approach

36:23

is I actually do mouth swishing

36:25

with ozone. And I do

36:27

that every morning for about two to three minutes.

36:29

And I've had my oral microbiome tested. And

36:32

it has improved remarkably after doing that for about

36:34

a year and a half. I get this ozonated

36:37

oil pulling oil from this company

36:39

called Simply03. It's put in

36:41

my mouth, I swish when I get up. And

36:44

then I have a

36:46

home ozone generator from Simply03 also. And

36:48

I do rectal ozone

36:51

once a week. And then typically

36:54

about once a quarter, I'll do a

36:56

blood ozonation protocol like the EBOO,

36:59

what is it, the extracorporeal blood, ozonation

37:02

and oxygenation or some

37:04

type of ozone, plasma, phoresis. But methylene

37:06

blue and ozone wouldn't be an everyday

37:09

thing because you don't want to totally

37:11

clean yourself out with excess dosages or

37:13

frequencies. But I think both

37:16

are good medicine, especially for people who travel a lot,

37:18

might be exposed to mold, mycotoxins,

37:21

viruses, bacteria, etc. That's

37:23

one thing about when I went to

37:25

India, I went to a retreat in Chennai recently.

37:28

And people,

37:31

English people, or should I say

37:33

Westerners, get food poisoning or deli

37:36

belly quite quickly. But when

37:38

the Indians come to

37:41

England or the West, they don't get

37:44

London belly or whatever. And I think that shows quite

37:46

clearly how we're wrapped in bubble wrap or cotton

37:52

wool or whatever. And

37:55

we're so clean these days that

37:57

it causes us problems. they

38:00

don't have the same health problems that we do. And

38:04

I think their microbiome profile

38:06

is significantly better than ours in the Western

38:08

world. Yeah. Well, they

38:10

don't have the same gut. It's

38:13

obviously chronic disease like obesity and

38:15

diabetes, especially since seed

38:17

oil has replaced ghee and coconut

38:19

oil and some of the common cooking oils over there.

38:21

Those are all issues. But

38:24

and I've seen this as well,

38:26

the actual microbiome of

38:29

the Indian population is more

38:32

diverse as far as microbial

38:35

diversity compared to those

38:37

on a standardized Western diet. And

38:39

that's likely due to the high intake

38:42

of plants, legumes, a

38:44

lot of fermentable carbohydrates. The flip

38:46

side of that is, because I

38:49

recently got back from India as

38:51

well, guys there

38:53

want to put on muscle and they have a

38:55

hard time doing it because it's hard to get

38:57

enough protein and calories from plants

38:59

without getting a little bit of bloating

39:01

and digestive distress. Yes. On the

39:03

flip side, their microbiome is very healthy. I don't know if I

39:05

ever told you this, Tim, but that was

39:08

my second time doing a tour of India. And

39:10

my first time, which was about three and a

39:12

half years ago, I did a pre and

39:14

post gut test and I ate the

39:16

Indian diet when I was over there. You know, again, like a lot

39:19

of foods I don't even like, frankly, I'm not a

39:21

huge fan of legumes and beans and

39:23

not eating much meat and huge

39:25

platters of plants. But I took one for the

39:27

team and I did it. And my

39:30

pre and post gut test with India, this

39:32

is published on my website like three or

39:34

four years ago, the microbial diversity was through

39:37

the roof. At

39:39

the same time, I had a lot more gas and bloating

39:41

because probably my gut had to get used to it. But

39:43

yeah, you're right that there's something to

39:45

be said for the immune

39:47

boosting effects of

39:49

increased microbial diversity for meeting a

39:51

diet that is rich in

39:53

a wide variety of plants and legumes

39:55

and herbs and spices, if

39:58

your gut can actually handle that. And

40:00

if it can't, there's other

40:02

things you can do like immunoglobulins

40:05

from colostrum or

40:07

the human milk oligosaccharide you'd find in

40:10

yogurt or dairy, the use of some

40:12

of those other things we were talking

40:14

about like ozone or methylene blue, fiber

40:17

sources that don't ferment quite as much

40:20

like a lot of kimchi, sauerkraut,

40:22

things like that. But yeah,

40:24

it is interesting to compare the diets

40:26

of different populations. Before we

40:28

move on to the next point, because you just mentioned

40:30

colostrum and I want to ride on that one, but

40:32

I just want to point out something. So I find

40:34

that not a lot of things

40:37

really upset my gut like they used to because I've

40:39

worked on it so much. However, one thing that does

40:41

hit me quite hard is when I have artichoke and

40:44

I give off 30

40:46

foot, you know, I'm walking along for

40:48

30 foot worth of gas. And

40:50

I heard the other day that someone was

40:52

saying that if that starts happening, they should

40:55

power on and have more because it's the

40:57

prebiotic that's causing the bacteria to actually repopulate.

41:00

But I tried that, but to be honest, I

41:02

just kept on having serious

41:04

bloating and farts for ages. So

41:07

I don't know. What do you think? The response

41:09

to prebiotics, resistant starch, green

41:12

bananas, artichokes, you

41:14

know, so-called high FODMAP foods, you

41:17

know, fruit tans, oligosaccharides, you know,

41:19

disaccharides and polyols like you

41:21

would find in wheat, garlic, onions and

41:23

apples. A lot of

41:26

people, especially those who have small

41:28

intestine bacterial overgrowth or SIBO,

41:31

they have genetic predispositions in

41:33

terms of their microbiome

41:36

in their gut that dictate high

41:38

amounts of hydrogen or methane production in response

41:41

to those foods. And

41:44

even with like an

41:46

herbal eradication protocol or

41:48

rifaximin or certain things to just like nuke

41:50

the bacteria in the gut, those

41:53

people always struggle with not

41:56

fermented carbohydrates, but fermentable

41:58

carbohydrates. some of those

42:00

I've just listed, including artichoke, a

42:03

lot of these common gut healing powders that

42:05

are high in inulin and other resistant starches.

42:09

And really the best approach to something like

42:11

that, if that truly is the

42:13

way that your biome is genetically hardwired,

42:16

is to try to fight through the

42:18

gas and the bloating and the discomfort

42:20

that you experience from eating those foods

42:23

or simply avoid them. And

42:26

for me, for the most part,

42:28

I avoid wheat, apples, garlic, onions,

42:30

artichoke, resistant starches, inulin, because even

42:33

after following a low FODMAP diet and

42:35

trying a reintroduction, those

42:38

highly fermentable foods still cause issues.

42:41

Yet my microbial diversity, I

42:44

actually just recorded a podcast I didn't

42:46

release yet on this with

42:48

a gut testing company called Vytrac.

42:52

And my curable diversity is very high. And

42:55

that's because I still do homemade

42:58

yogurt, homemade kefir, like water

43:01

kefir and dairy kefir. I

43:03

do sauerkraut, I do kimchi,

43:06

I do natto, I

43:08

do small amounts of kombucha. And

43:11

so I've got a pretty wide variety of

43:14

fermented foods. And then I do a lot

43:16

of sprouts and microgreens and

43:18

plants that have been fermented or sprouted

43:20

or soaked or rinsed,

43:22

etc., slow prepared. And

43:24

so I think you can have good

43:27

microbial diversity and not have to

43:29

deal with all the gas and the bloating that occurs

43:31

from the way that a lot

43:33

of people try to get microbial diversity, which is

43:35

via the consumption of resistant

43:37

starches or highly fermentable carbohydrates

43:39

like the Fardichoke. Paul

43:42

Jay Fardichoke. And chicory root

43:44

was another one. I remember when I first had

43:46

the bulletproof bars, Dave brought

43:48

out. And I was just like, these things are amazing.

43:50

They're great. And I was at Tony Robbins event and

43:52

I must have had three or four of them. Yeah,

43:55

with those or with these newer like,

43:58

you know, Keto snacks. I went to

44:00

the Keto conference a few years ago

44:02

and the party for the speakers

44:05

was catered by this Keto donuts and baked

44:07

goods company. I must have

44:09

mowed through six donuts before I started

44:11

to just bloat like a pregnant thing, Greenfield,

44:15

and horrific gas the rest of

44:18

the night. That

44:20

wasn't because they contained a lot of fermentable

44:22

carbohydrates. They contained a lot of sugar

44:24

alcohols. So that's the other

44:27

issue is sorbitol, erythritol, even in some

44:29

people's isletol, like those sweeteners

44:32

are sometimes just as much of an issue as

44:34

the fermentable carbohydrates. Actually

44:37

my colleague Isabel can't have any of those

44:39

alcohol sugars actually because it really affects her gut so

44:42

badly. It's one of the worst things for her actually.

44:45

So anyway let's move on because one

44:48

of the things you mentioned a minute ago was colostrum and

44:50

this is a personal favorite of mine actually. You

44:53

recently shared your morning beauty routine including

44:56

ozone oil pulling and clay

44:59

masks and colostrum.

45:02

Tell me about this.

45:04

So actually I've been

45:07

a fan of colostrum for a while. The

45:09

reason that I got into colostrum was

45:12

because I used to race

45:14

Ironman. I used to race Ironman in a lot of

45:16

hot places. Thailand, Japan,

45:19

Hawaii, Louisiana, Florida,

45:21

California and

45:23

there was a large body of

45:26

evidence that suggested

45:29

that the intake of colostrum prior

45:31

to exercise and especially prior to

45:33

exercise in the heat would

45:35

reduce gut permeability and a

45:37

lot of the digestive distress that athletes

45:40

experience when exercising in the heat. So

45:43

I found this small goat farm in

45:45

Washington owned by a guy who I

45:47

went to church with at the time,

45:49

Joe Stout. Mount Capra

45:51

was his farm and he was making colostrum

45:55

from goat milk which is the very first part of the milk

45:57

that comes out and it's got a lot of growth factors. immunoglobulins

46:00

and things that help to seal up the lining

46:02

of the gut in it. Which makes

46:04

sense because a baby mammal

46:07

is born with a relatively permeable gut. And

46:11

when that baby mammal consumes colostrum from

46:13

its mother's milk, that helps to

46:15

heal up the lining of the gut, preparing them

46:17

for solid foods and a wider variety of foods

46:19

later on in life. That's

46:22

also why women who

46:24

do not breastfeed should make sure that they

46:27

feed their baby some type of

46:29

formula that contains human milk oligosaccharides

46:32

or immunoglobulin or colostrum. But

46:35

back to racing, it worked for me very

46:37

well. So well in fact

46:39

that when I started a supplements company, Keyon,

46:42

we contract with a

46:44

grass-fed, grass-finished cattle source for colostrum and

46:48

we make this powdered colostrum. Which

46:52

is in my opinion a better way

46:54

to supplement with colostrum compared to a

46:56

capsule because the salivary

46:58

enzymes in your mouth activate

47:00

the growth factors in colostrum. Again

47:03

that makes sense if a baby mammal is kind of like

47:05

suckling the colostrum is first going to hit the mouth and

47:07

the salivary enzymes before it gets into the gut. So

47:11

this powder you put in your mouth for about

47:13

30 to 60 seconds. I

47:15

do one scoop in the morning, one scoop in the evening

47:17

or I put a few scoops in my smoothie because a

47:19

lot of times the smoothie you're working that in your mouth

47:21

anyways. But I

47:24

don't put that stuff, the Keyon colostrum

47:26

on my face. This

47:28

other company called Alitora and I thought this

47:30

was a joke when I got my

47:32

first bottle of the Alitora clay mask. It

47:36

contains a bunch of

47:38

different types of clay, bentonite clay and

47:40

kelp and a bunch of different healing

47:42

factors for the face. But then it

47:45

also contains, I think they call it four

47:48

hour post milk colostrum, something like

47:50

that. It's kind of like

47:53

unicorn tears harvested by one arm monk when

47:55

you read it on the label. But

47:58

they're serious and it turns out that Colostrum has

48:01

very beneficial effects on

48:03

the skin, on healing, on scars,

48:05

on collagen and elastin formation. And

48:07

so it's part of my

48:09

weekly beauty protocol. I put it on

48:12

my face after I derma roll my

48:14

face and my scalp and then I

48:16

let it dry. So it's on there for about 30 to 45 minutes.

48:20

I typically do some kind of red light therapy

48:22

that's close to the face during that time. Not

48:24

a sauna session because it'll all just melt

48:27

off, you know, clay on the floor of

48:29

your sauna, but usually like a red light

48:31

face mask or just standing close to one of these red

48:33

light panels. And then just rinse it

48:35

off and get on with the day. And

48:38

compared to probably

48:40

more effective but also more expensive microneedling beauty type

48:42

of protocol you could have done at a

48:44

medical spa, it's a pretty

48:46

cool way to DIY your own version of that

48:48

at home. I've been doing that

48:51

for like three years now. And

48:55

I feel like my skin is pretty

48:58

healthy, particularly on the face. And

49:00

it seems to have an effect on hair growth

49:02

and hair quality as well. So I'm

49:04

a fan. Amazing. Yeah. I

49:07

mean, so it's Alatura brand. I mean, obviously

49:09

Andy from Alatura that brings out a really

49:11

good range of products actually out there. And

49:15

they did a scent once that I really used to like. Yeah,

49:18

presents. They're cologne, they're fragrance,

49:20

presents. It's fantastic. Yeah.

49:23

So that's Alatura is the brand. There's

49:26

one thing that you just said about having red light on

49:28

your face after you had put

49:30

the colostrum on and the clay. There's actually

49:32

a mask that is called

49:35

the Cure mask. Q-U-R-E. And

49:38

it's a red light or colored

49:41

light therapy mask. It's a proper one. It's

49:43

not like a lot of them on the

49:45

market actually look like a plastic sheet, something

49:47

like your Hannibal Lecter. This

49:49

thing has got the silicone lining.

49:53

It's got various different protocols for different light therapy

49:55

and things like that. Actually they sent

49:57

me one of these things. It's actually really nice. I

50:00

find that using copper peptides theorem

50:03

and the face mask together as

50:05

well works really, really well. Yeah,

50:08

was that the red light mask

50:10

that was in the video about

50:12

two biohackers going on their first date?

50:15

Did you see this video? Yeah,

50:18

they had something similar. Yeah, I mean, it looks

50:20

nice. I have probably one of the cheapo wraparound

50:22

red light ones that I steal from

50:25

my wife's drawer. But yeah, that's interesting

50:27

that you say that about copper peptide.

50:29

So probably good insider pro tip for

50:31

people. Not a lot

50:33

of peptides are absorbable transdermally. But

50:36

GHK copper peptide is about 50 dolphins

50:38

as far as the size goes. So

50:41

that one actually has a lot of beneficial

50:43

effects and anti inflammatory effects for the skin.

50:45

And you can apply it topically or transdermally just

50:48

like you could like magnesium

50:50

on a sore joint. And it's fantastic

50:52

for joints. And for the skin. And

50:55

then the other thing that's

50:58

interesting about these peptides is, you

51:00

know, a lot of the injectable

51:02

sources are becoming

51:04

frowned upon, at least by the FDA over

51:06

here in the US. So I've

51:09

been getting more and more into oral

51:11

peptides. So there's a one company

51:14

called Limitless Life Neutropics over here. And

51:16

they have some really great

51:18

performance peptide like one called

51:20

five amino one MQ, right at

51:22

the top of the totem pole, the guy that

51:24

told me about it, Ryan Smith, who runs true

51:26

diagnostics, he improved his vertical by several inches, didn't

51:29

change his training at all and just started supplementing

51:32

with this. And even though

51:34

this wasn't a study, obviously, it's pretty anecdotal.

51:36

He said that he feels that that was

51:38

the thing that did it. This other company

51:40

out of Australia, called Level Up Health, they've

51:42

got oral BPC 157, thoracic

51:47

peptide, KPV, GHA

51:50

copper peptide, a bunch of stuff that's

51:52

orally bioavailable. And so they're one of

51:54

the better oral peptide supplement companies out

51:56

there is Level Up Health of Australia.

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55:07

you want to just explain what

55:10

a peptide is exactly for the listeners?

55:12

I mean, because I can

55:15

give a very simplistic version of it,

55:17

which I always

55:19

say that proteins are made up

55:21

of amino acids and those amino

55:23

acids when chained together, they're usually two

55:25

or three or four or whatever, then

55:27

are peptides. You have peptides,

55:30

polypeptides and then amino acids, which are the

55:32

basic building blocks of it. And proteins are

55:34

a lot of these amino acids altogether. It's

55:36

like human growth hormone. I think it's 91

55:38

or 92 branched amino acids chained

55:42

together in a link and then folded

55:44

over on itself. So it's super, super

55:47

sensitive. So how would

55:49

you describe peptides specifically? Yeah, you're kind

55:51

of on the right track. A human

55:54

being is just one giant clump of a bunch of

55:56

chains of amino acids Folded in

55:58

different configurations. The short

56:00

you know to be however three amino

56:02

acid sequence is up to few dozen.

56:05

And. The. Way that

56:07

an amino acid configuration is

56:10

architected will influence which cell

56:12

receptors and which organ systems

56:14

that that peptide acts upon.

56:17

Your. Insulin is probably the most

56:20

well known that died because

56:22

it interacts with the cell

56:24

surface receptor for. Uptake,

56:26

Of Glucose. neither one that's

56:28

very popular. Now is the

56:30

book gone? Like peptide like

56:32

exempt take over god me

56:34

and these would allow for

56:36

the up regulation of glucagon

56:39

like peptide and that is

56:41

an internal signal. For. A

56:43

feeling of fullness, a lack of

56:45

hunger, I. Don't think that

56:47

those peptides I did workers on

56:49

likes of times or without risk.

56:52

You know there's some data about

56:54

acute pancreatitis and awesome some difference

56:56

mental. Health issues? has he

56:59

been depression and anxiety? And yeah, I'm

57:01

I'm I'm not a huge vows of

57:03

the One Jane Human experiments and considering

57:06

that there are. There. Certain

57:08

extracts from Hop. Ah

57:10

the seems to be used to make

57:12

beer as well as. Certain.

57:14

Probiotic strange, particularly after Mansour and

57:17

few others. That. Works similarly.

57:19

I think that. There. Are

57:21

ways to suppress hunger? Really Really. Well.

57:24

Without. Taking glucagon like peptides I would

57:26

say the top three would be. Drinkable.

57:28

T. Tones. Ah,

57:31

Product called Tallow Curb which is made

57:33

up of these hops and I actually

57:35

do. I do a couple capsule that

57:37

after launch announce think about anything until

57:40

dinner. And. Your dinner

57:42

usually get six or seven hours after

57:44

lunch for me none. Ah, Pendulum, the

57:46

company that was. Made. Famous

57:48

by producing is actor mansour based probiotic

57:50

which is fantastic for the gun they've

57:52

a new one is basically se as

57:55

he called Glp one. Something.

57:57

But it it's a probiotic strain or series

57:59

of string. That. Simulate

58:01

the same feeling of almost

58:03

as injectable. I. Glp One

58:05

agonists do your the actual peptide

58:08

like as I'm pick up but

58:10

basically is peptides will act on

58:12

different areas in the bodies. I

58:14

like Bbc One fifty seven very

58:16

anti inflammatory like a healing gastric

58:18

peptide and recalled tv five hundred.

58:21

Works. On the phone as clans and

58:23

on. Tendons, Are there

58:25

are so called peptide file regulators very

58:27

short peptide change the oh one that

58:29

will work on the penny away and

58:31

one that works on the thyroid, one

58:33

that will work on the on the

58:35

gonads for to stop and production. Use

58:37

a whole host of different peptides and.

58:40

Ah I see recently release.

58:42

These. Are my it should be on my

58:45

instagram page Still Peptides cheat sheet. That's.

58:47

Got like twenty. The difference. Most.

58:49

Commonly used peptides listen what they're good for

58:52

Now take him and when the orally available

58:54

injectable et cetera. So. Maybe I'll

58:56

or later on the show notes if people wanna

58:58

see it. but other yeah peptides or I mean

59:00

there's there's. Kind. Of spending and

59:03

he got a know. Why? You're

59:05

taking what it was like a billion a meta

59:07

want all them but if you have specific issues

59:09

they want hard with the peptide, they're kind of

59:11

like a laser pointer as far as the precision

59:13

with which they can be used. Yes,

59:16

I'm in one thing that. That I

59:19

think is so fantastic that limits these. And

59:21

and someone once said to me since I

59:23

think it's a feature of medicine because of

59:25

seats, peptides are naturally occurring often miss if

59:27

in the body. So for insincere them nursing

59:30

to the body produces itself to heal itself.

59:32

So it's for instance, Bbc One, Five Seven.

59:34

I remember a Pc did on it and

59:36

said he'll like wolverine. I think it was

59:39

like years ago. must be like five or

59:41

six years ago now. and I'm at Does

59:43

Is that was my introduction actually to be

59:45

Pc once I seven was your article on

59:48

it. And and it's funny

59:50

because the Bbc once I Seven and Princes

59:52

if you cut yourself or you need to

59:54

heal from something quickly than using B B

59:56

C One Five Seventy I think it's own

59:58

almost beats the indicates of. The body to

1:00:00

start healing itself in some way and so

1:00:02

I was stuck that with Tb Five Hundred

1:00:04

and Bpc once I seven for since I

1:00:07

had a surgery and exposed to be quite

1:00:09

a long healing time. Red Light Therapy B

1:00:11

B One Fi seventy Five Hundred and Red

1:00:13

Light Therapy knows healed in no time is

1:00:15

like like a set of the ceiling time.

1:00:17

The surgeon said it was a miracle and

1:00:19

and I said those by hacking. yeah A

1:00:21

I was gonna ask you have any ah

1:00:23

any crazy guess we're coming over to the.

1:00:26

Symposium. This year like a big loss

1:00:28

from at the Dining Jack. Jack

1:00:30

The Low Chance: Just a locker Second: Look

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at Jack a locker and he's like this:

1:00:35

crazy Guys: the ice. Eaten

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just buy everything. I'm a

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human plan including a fried

1:00:41

human singer and as crazy

1:00:43

like Sharman guy who does

1:00:45

intravenous D M infuses super

1:00:47

wacky but. Intriguing. Dude,

1:00:49

but I I got a buddy interesting

1:00:51

come over this year. I

1:00:53

love Jackie's it is. Very dear friend

1:00:55

of mine's a neuroscientist. yeah he did

1:00:57

an hour long D M T I

1:01:00

V study in in London last year.

1:01:02

in the is pretty pretty heavy stuff

1:01:04

and I mean the line up this

1:01:06

year is looking. It's actually looking quite.

1:01:09

Quite. Amazing. We

1:01:11

don't have any one quite as weird

1:01:13

and wacky is Jack. I'd say to

1:01:15

say I think think anyone can talk

1:01:17

jet to be quite honest but Sam

1:01:19

know some of the stories. some of

1:01:21

the stories I heard from that is

1:01:24

just incredible and we've got i'm Steven

1:01:26

gun vetoing this year which I'm I'm

1:01:28

really looking for to actually and Jj

1:01:30

version as well. He sure I'll be

1:01:32

sure not to buy any tail at

1:01:34

the cafe other physicists affects your i

1:01:37

am and sought the Saudi a town.

1:01:39

as well as said saw the a

1:01:41

psychology from instagram i'm sure you've heard

1:01:43

of abbott's cheese and speak psychology and

1:01:45

dating and relationships and whatnot so sees

1:01:47

this as he someone i'm really interested

1:01:49

to hang out with this year but

1:01:51

also tally means then i see no

1:01:54

kallio not or seat recorded with him

1:01:56

out say casey means brother the guy

1:01:58

who's been counting on around a little

1:02:00

exposé on the pharmaceutical industry and metabolic disease.

1:02:02

Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah, I have an interview

1:02:04

to meet up but he's fascinating. Oh, he's

1:02:06

brilliant. I love Kelly. He's awesome. Yeah, I

1:02:08

mean, I can't remember I heard him. I

1:02:10

saw him on TV somewhere other than he

1:02:12

was like, he used to work for, you

1:02:14

know, the Cola corporations and, you know, it

1:02:16

was a whistleblower on it. So he's all

1:02:18

the tricks behind the scenes. Yeah, I better

1:02:21

hope you get him over there soon because

1:02:23

he could probably get assassinated. Yeah,

1:02:26

I hope not. Gary Brecker,

1:02:29

actually. So, so yeah, Gary is

1:02:31

coming. Yeah, really, really

1:02:34

interesting. I mean, I why

1:02:36

I wanted him was when I first met him, he

1:02:38

told me about his history and I won't go on

1:02:40

about it for too long. But basically,

1:02:43

he was a health

1:02:45

insurance mortality statistician. And

1:02:48

instead of a pharmaceutical rep trying to

1:02:50

sell drugs, he was the opposite side

1:02:52

of that, which was a mortality statistician.

1:02:54

So looking at statistics to see what

1:02:57

indicators actually meant that people live longer or

1:02:59

shorter. And so their financial

1:03:01

interest was keeping people alive longer,

1:03:03

or should I say, making sure

1:03:05

they don't ensure the people that

1:03:07

are doing certain things that shorten

1:03:09

their lives. And one of

1:03:11

the interesting things is the thing that cut expected

1:03:14

life expectancy in half, but so

1:03:16

by 50% was

1:03:18

bad or no relationships. And

1:03:21

the other thing that they noticed was

1:03:23

high cholesterol generally meant longer

1:03:26

life. Statins meant

1:03:28

shorter life. So it's super

1:03:30

interesting. So when I heard these, I recorded with

1:03:32

him when I was in Miami. So prioritize relationships

1:03:34

and pork chops. Exactly.

1:03:37

Pork chop

1:03:39

couples night in with pork chops.

1:03:41

Yeah. So, so it's gonna be

1:03:43

a really interesting talk on that. I couldn't believe it

1:03:45

when he started. I mean, there was a lot more

1:03:48

stats that he went on about on our podcast. So

1:03:50

it'll be out soon. Yeah, he's a fascinating dude.

1:03:52

That'll be super cool. And by

1:03:54

the way, folks, the coolest part about it is you

1:03:57

get to come over and meet and party and hang out with

1:03:59

a lot of these folks. who are traveling and

1:04:01

also try out all the things on the

1:04:03

expo floor. But Tim, I wanted to ask

1:04:05

you, because I know we're limited

1:04:07

on time, even though we could go on for hours on this

1:04:09

thing. What would you say is the

1:04:11

besides the methylene, blue and the ozone into your

1:04:14

prostate, the number one

1:04:16

personal upgrade, either

1:04:19

to your psychology or your body or your

1:04:21

mind or your spirit, your relationships, anything that

1:04:23

comes to mind for you this year? I

1:04:26

would say healing,

1:04:29

childhood trauma, whatever

1:04:31

that may be, is probably the biggest win of

1:04:33

the year for me. I

1:04:37

recorded with Trevor Sylvester, he's a cognitive hypnotherapist,

1:04:39

he was actually my mentor for many years.

1:04:42

And I hadn't caught up with him for 10 or

1:04:44

12 years and did an episode with him. But I

1:04:46

realized with my relationship, and I was getting through troubles

1:04:49

at the time, that I

1:04:52

had some work to do because there was repeated patterns

1:04:55

coming up of how I was reacting to things. And

1:04:57

in fact, as a result, the

1:04:59

relationship was quite stressed. Therefore, I was

1:05:01

quite stressed. Therefore, my health took a

1:05:03

turn. And even with all the biohacking,

1:05:06

I was stressed, unhappy, losing weight,

1:05:09

and putting a smile on my face and

1:05:11

continuing. And I realized that until you actually heal

1:05:14

your childhood traumas and work through those things,

1:05:17

you know, a lot of these patterns are going to

1:05:19

keep on coming back up. So I would say

1:05:21

that's actually my personal biggest win for the year

1:05:23

is actually doing cognitive hypnotherapy and working through those

1:05:25

things. And I'm still working through them. I don't

1:05:27

claim to be perfect by any means. But I

1:05:29

think biohacking typically

1:05:31

focuses on the body,

1:05:34

supplements, technologies, you

1:05:37

know, and Daniel Ayman, obviously with

1:05:39

the brain and looking at the brain and then optimizing

1:05:41

your life for it. But often,

1:05:43

our programming, you know,

1:05:46

the software that's gone in, because you could have

1:05:48

the same, you know, two twin brothers that go

1:05:50

through different experiences and become very different humans and

1:05:52

don't react in the same way. And

1:05:54

I think having cognitive hypnotherapy and, you know,

1:05:57

ketamine therapy and various other, you know, things

1:05:59

like that, have actually really helped me. I

1:06:02

would say focusing on your stress levels

1:06:04

and reducing

1:06:06

or improving childhood traumas so you don't fall

1:06:08

into the same negative patterns as probably being,

1:06:10

you know, it's underrated and

1:06:12

should be rated more, you know, in

1:06:15

our space, I think. Yeah, you know, related to that,

1:06:17

I don't know if you've heard of this before, the

1:06:19

idea of journaling or writing. There's

1:06:21

even a certain series, I think Dr. Huberman did

1:06:23

a story on it at one point, Dr.

1:06:26

Andrew Huberman about writing for

1:06:28

about four or five days in a row

1:06:31

or for four weeks in a row about some

1:06:33

experience. And I actually have the journal somewhere up

1:06:35

on my bookshelf. I didn't try it yet because

1:06:37

I had such a boring childhood.

1:06:40

I actually opened it, I couldn't think of

1:06:42

anything dramatic at all, I literally had the

1:06:44

most plain Jane homeschooled out

1:06:47

in Idaho, you know, is

1:06:49

living out in the sunshine, hiking up

1:06:51

rocks and reading books and playing

1:06:53

the violin. So I mean, you know, I

1:06:56

don't wanna make people feel bad who have

1:06:58

been through trauma. I couldn't use the book,

1:07:00

but I thought it was interesting, this idea

1:07:02

of writing to process. And I

1:07:04

do a little bit of that. I have always an open

1:07:06

Word document on my Chrome

1:07:09

browser. And that document is simply

1:07:11

there to write problems that I have,

1:07:14

because I process really well when writing.

1:07:17

And some of that concept of if you

1:07:19

have, and let's say business issue, and

1:07:22

you start to write to

1:07:24

an associate or employee or employer or

1:07:27

a virtual assistant or anybody like that, about

1:07:29

the problem, and by the time you've finished the email, you solve the

1:07:31

problem, you don't send the email. It

1:07:33

seems to be set for relationship issues, whatever. Sometimes

1:07:35

you just need to get it down in writing

1:07:38

in front of you to process it. And I

1:07:40

actually process better through the written word

1:07:42

than I do verbally. So I always have that document open

1:07:44

on my computer for that. That's brilliant. I

1:07:46

mean, there's, so I have a, I

1:07:49

created a group WhatsApp chat with

1:07:51

just myself in it, and then pinned it to the top,

1:07:54

and it's Tim's tasks and reminders. So

1:07:56

whenever I have a stressed message to send

1:07:58

to someone, I'm like, I'm triggered or something

1:08:00

or other. I write it to myself and

1:08:03

then I leave a few hours and look back and

1:08:05

then often I like Tim, you're a dork. Like, why

1:08:07

would you ever send that? And sometimes I tweak it

1:08:09

and then send it. So that's one of my, you

1:08:11

know, my strategies. I love it. So

1:08:14

that's like the old movie with Bill Murray, you know, roses are

1:08:16

red, violets are blue. I'm a schizophrenic and so am I. So

1:08:18

am I. Yeah. But

1:08:21

I also have a task app. It's called Things

1:08:23

3 and every day at the end

1:08:25

of the day, it gives me the task of, you

1:08:27

know, gratitude. So what are three things you're grateful for?

1:08:30

But it also, I also have a task that says

1:08:33

problems and solutions daily. So every day I list

1:08:35

down any problems that have come up in the

1:08:37

day and write down potential solutions for each one

1:08:39

of those. And then each week I'll copy those

1:08:41

into a Word document and see actually how many

1:08:43

are actually left. And it's actually quite funny because

1:08:45

on the day you think it's a major problem,

1:08:47

you write down a solution for it, you put

1:08:49

it into a Word document and then at the

1:08:51

end of the week, most of these problems are

1:08:53

not problems and they were never problems in the

1:08:55

first place. And they kind of like just almost

1:08:57

dissolve. Occasionally, there's a big whopping one that you,

1:08:59

you know, you take a few weeks to resolve.

1:09:02

But I find that my brain is always then looking

1:09:05

for solutions to any problems and then trusting that

1:09:07

they're going to go quite quickly if I'm focused

1:09:09

on the solutions. Yeah, there's a little bit of

1:09:11

a manifestation there. It's like, you know, when I

1:09:14

do my prayer in the mornings, I have a

1:09:16

notes app that I keep track of my prayers on and

1:09:19

what I've asked for and what prayers have been answered. But

1:09:21

even just the fact of waking up in the

1:09:23

morning and naming your problems to God usually results

1:09:25

in you acting

1:09:28

on those problems because you've brought them to

1:09:30

the front of mind first thing in

1:09:32

the day and working to

1:09:34

solve them rather than running from them, you

1:09:36

know, also infused, you know, if you

1:09:38

believe in God with the idea that you have a higher

1:09:41

power behind your back that you've asked for help to solve

1:09:43

the problem. So yeah, I kind of

1:09:45

have a I suppose a little bit of a similar

1:09:47

approach with my prayer journal. It's powerful.

1:09:49

It's really powerful. I've had top top

1:09:51

hacks along with my morning, my

1:09:53

morning silence. Yeah, I

1:09:56

dig it. I actually just interviewed a guy who sits in

1:09:58

the silence for 30 minutes every morning. And

1:10:00

his name's Justin

1:10:03

Roethlisberger. And

1:10:06

he wrote this book called, The Power

1:10:08

of Ownership. After interviewing

1:10:10

him, I decided to

1:10:13

challenge myself with five minutes. And that's why I'm wearing

1:10:15

this bracelet. It says, be still and know that I

1:10:17

am God. It's a bracelet that reminds me to stop

1:10:19

in the morning and just do nothing for

1:10:22

at least five minutes. And it's actually

1:10:25

been really interesting, because a lot of

1:10:27

people, if they have a spiritual practice, it's kind of like

1:10:30

a 911 phone call with God. Like, give me this, give

1:10:32

me that. Hey, I need help with this, help with that.

1:10:34

But when you just sit and listen,

1:10:36

it becomes a two-way form of communication. And a

1:10:38

lot of times you'll hear kind of a little

1:10:40

bit of a nudge, a little bit of a voice, a

1:10:42

little bit of direction. Sometimes you'll see a word or a

1:10:45

phrase, and I'm not quite up to 30 minutes, but even

1:10:47

just five minutes of doing absolutely nothing in

1:10:49

the morning, but just thinking and listening, listening

1:10:52

to the voice of God has been something that

1:10:54

I really, really been digging lately. It's

1:10:57

powerful, it's very powerful that morning silence. So

1:10:59

one thing I want to touch on before

1:11:01

we wrap up is just that you recently

1:11:03

spoke about microdosing

1:11:06

alcohol, which is really

1:11:09

controversial to a lot of our listeners

1:11:11

and followers, because you can't drink alcohol,

1:11:13

why are you doing that? Obviously,

1:11:17

I do drink alcohol from time to time. I love a

1:11:19

Negroni. I like clean alcohol or

1:11:22

dry farm wines by dynamic wine.

1:11:25

Why do you think microdosing alcohol is good for you, Ben?

1:11:28

Comes full circle to what we were talking about as

1:11:30

far as mitohormesis. The

1:11:33

stress induced by one to

1:11:36

two servings of alcohol induces an

1:11:38

endogenous antioxidant production of things like

1:11:40

glutathione and superoxide dismutase

1:11:43

that unless people actually have

1:11:46

some type of, like

1:11:49

acetaldehyde enzyme insufficiency or

1:11:52

inability to break down the byproducts of alcohol,

1:11:55

outpaces the production

1:11:57

of free radicals and any so-called topaz.

1:12:00

toxic effects of the ethanol. And

1:12:02

so the idea is that a

1:12:04

small dose of alcohol, just like a small

1:12:06

reasonable dose of exercise, heat, cold, wild

1:12:10

plants, herbs, bitters, spices,

1:12:12

radiation, etc., induces

1:12:14

that same hormetic response that

1:12:16

I was talking about earlier. And

1:12:19

I got called out recently because I was like, well, yeah,

1:12:22

I drink, I typically have a glass of organic wine in

1:12:24

the evenings. Those

1:12:26

will have a clean like mezcal, tequila, or

1:12:28

gin, or vodka with a little bit

1:12:30

of soda water, fruit juice, lemon, or the

1:12:32

like. A few times

1:12:34

a week, I still do the ketone

1:12:37

drinks, the ketone-aid hard ketones, which is

1:12:39

1,3-butane dial, which is technically an alcohol,

1:12:41

but the ketone doesn't produce

1:12:43

acetaldehyde like alcohol does, but

1:12:46

kind of socially lubricates you in the same way

1:12:48

that you might be looking for from alcohol without

1:12:51

any of the side effects if you have

1:12:53

a sorted pass with alcohol or

1:12:55

you know, alcohol use disorder or something that

1:12:57

might make alcohol a bad idea for you.

1:13:00

But I've also talked about, and this is what

1:13:02

I got called out for, well, yeah, I do alcohol, but

1:13:05

you know, I'll take some glutathione or an

1:13:07

acetylcysteine and you know, I'll take

1:13:09

like dihydromericetin the next morning to make

1:13:11

sure I stop up any acetaldehyde

1:13:14

that might be left over in the liver. And people

1:13:16

are like, well, if it's so good for you, bro,

1:13:18

why do you have to do all that stuff to

1:13:20

combat the damage? I'm like, well, look, I

1:13:23

do like hot, cold contrast foam rolling

1:13:25

and recovery boots to recover from exercise.

1:13:28

I replenish with minerals and electrolytes and

1:13:30

hydration when I've gotten out of the

1:13:33

sauna. I do burpees and push-ups to warm up when

1:13:35

I get out of the cold. I take

1:13:37

digestive enzymes to assist myself to digest

1:13:39

a meal, including a meal that has

1:13:42

hormetic stressors like plants and herbs

1:13:44

and spices. And you

1:13:46

know, even, you know, if I'm flying or something,

1:13:48

it exposed to low amounts of radiation. I'll

1:13:51

even take iodine to help out with that a little bit. But the

1:13:53

idea here is not, the idea

1:13:55

should not be that just because you take certain

1:13:59

be able to do it. of or mitigate

1:14:01

any unwanted side effects of

1:14:03

a compound, that doesn't mean the hormetic stress

1:14:05

in that compound is still not doing you

1:14:07

a favor. It's kind of like

1:14:09

you can have your cake and eat it too,

1:14:11

right? And literally like you could take berberine or

1:14:14

bitter melon or one of those glucose disposal agents

1:14:16

we were talking about earlier and have a piece

1:14:18

of cake or a piece of bread or a

1:14:20

cracker or cookie and experience a

1:14:22

lower blood sugar response but also get the

1:14:24

benefits of the sugar and the carbohydrates and

1:14:26

the glycolysis and also the enjoyment of

1:14:29

the cookie. And the same can be said for alcohols like

1:14:31

small frequent doses not in

1:14:33

excess. I haven't been drunk in over 15

1:14:35

years rarely have more than

1:14:37

two drinks. Usually accompany the drinks with

1:14:39

some type of you know

1:14:41

something to sop up any excess acetaldehyde

1:14:43

that might be left over like you

1:14:46

know z-biotics or DHM or something. But

1:14:49

there's a lot of data behind the fact

1:14:52

that there is no

1:14:54

risk of mortality with one to two

1:14:56

drinks a day and in fact there

1:14:58

actually may be cardiovascular benefits and

1:15:01

potentially the life extension benefits due to

1:15:03

the endogenous antioxidant production, the

1:15:05

cellular resilience and the hormetic stress

1:15:07

effect. I

1:15:10

concur and I think the same with for

1:15:13

me I find glutathione makes all the

1:15:15

difference and there's actually a brand that's

1:15:17

at the conference it's called Hanayo and

1:15:19

they are nano liposomal

1:15:21

basically and I find if I have three

1:15:23

droppers of that after I've had a drink

1:15:26

my HRV doesn't get affected my heart rate

1:15:28

doesn't get affected I don't wake up feeling

1:15:30

groggy at all. Liposomal is the second best

1:15:32

form of glutathione. The

1:15:34

reason for that is that glutathione get broken down into

1:15:37

cysteine, sulfur and I

1:15:39

believe glycine. And a

1:15:41

lot of people are sensitive to sulfur and they

1:15:43

have a deleterious response to oral glutathione even

1:15:46

though it doesn't happen as much with

1:15:48

liposomal. But the best form of

1:15:50

glutathione is transdermal just like the peptides

1:15:53

that we were talking about. There's

1:15:56

one brand called Glutaril and it's you

1:15:58

spray it on. And for

1:16:00

people who take glutathione and don't feel that

1:16:03

great afterwards, that's a good solution.

1:16:05

Amazing. Amazing. So,

1:16:08

if we could go on forever, Ben, we've got

1:16:10

a list of things to talk about. I

1:16:12

mean, I'm really looking forward to seeing you

1:16:14

again in June for the

1:16:16

summit. Really looking forward to it. It's

1:16:19

going to be the biggest show we've

1:16:21

done yet with probably 30% more people

1:16:23

we're projecting right

1:16:26

now. And the show is 150 vendors,

1:16:28

so 150 different biohacking brands to check out. And

1:16:32

I expect about 3,200 to 3,300 people. So

1:16:35

it's looking pretty big this year. Really

1:16:37

excited for it. Dude, I can't wait. Our

1:16:40

conversation is just a tiny taste of what people are going to

1:16:42

get over there. And dude, you know this, like, I freaking

1:16:45

love it. I'm like a kid in a candy store over

1:16:47

there every year. And so, yeah,

1:16:49

if you want to come, if you're listening, you want to come party with Tim and

1:16:52

I, I'm sure wherever you hear this, wherever you visit

1:16:54

the show notes, there'll be links to the summit. Get

1:16:57

in while the getting's good. Tim, it's always

1:16:59

incredible to talk with you. I always

1:17:02

learn new things about what I can

1:17:04

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I personally use, support, and

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with full authenticity and transparency recommend

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in good conscience. I personally

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vet each and every product that

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I talk about. My

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and resources to you that help

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you positively optimize your mind, body,

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and spirit. And I'll only ever

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or otherwise, that fit within this

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purpose. So there's your

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