0:43

You have stumbled into a show

0:45

that they like to call a podcast because they

0:47

got to call it something . It's been watchers

0:49

podcast with yours truly , johnny

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. Spoiler . I only spoil the movies that I

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love . Join is always by the savage

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scream Queen herself

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. That's me

1:01

they anointed as a screen cream

1:03

, screen cream Scream .

1:05

I can't say these words .

1:07

It's hard . He sold seashells on

1:09

the seashore is the name of Steve I

1:12

just ruined like a perfectly good intro . I

1:14

was gonna remind them about a story that I told

1:16

before . Like I think I Podcast

1:20

deliveries , a podcast newsletter service , or

1:22

they like they'd like Send

1:25

emails about podcasts and they had featured

1:27

Jordan and they had dubbed her

1:29

in quotes yes , scream

1:31

Queen from Ben watchers podcast

1:33

. This is why I was just what , I wasn't making it up

1:35

. Somebody else gave her the title as well

1:38

, so it's official . Yeah , yeah .

1:40

But I mean .

1:42

Stumbling through what I was trying to explain . I don't know if

1:44

that makes it better or worse , or

1:46

even has the same value . Puncture

1:48

at the end of that sentence , I don't know . Anyway

1:52

, we're here and

1:54

, like I

1:57

was like oh , the timing of the dropping of this episode

1:59

falls in line with the Love

2:01

day , everybody's favorite crying

2:03

a pillow holiday , then Valentine's

2:06

. And I had read his story . First

2:08

I didn't believe it , but then I tracked down the zoo . So

2:11

supposedly there's a zoo that

2:13

lets you name a cockroach after your ex and

2:15

then they feed it to an animal on Valentine's

2:17

Day . It's a zoo . And I was like , okay , but

2:19

there's this story I saw like a

2:21

handful of times on the internet . I was like , is this the internet

2:23

, like you know , making fun of me pulling my

2:26

chain ? Like is this some BS ? The click

2:28

baiter ? I looked at San Antonio

2:30

zoo . Actually does it ? I ?

2:32

Just love it , I love it . I think

2:34

that it's a perfect way to like

2:36

market the anti Valentine's

2:38

Day , and I think it's incredible

2:40

the fact that you can feel like a closure

2:43

or what better way than the cockroach

2:45

and I had just seen it come across my Instagram

2:48

page , so I don't know if it's like a local , I guess

2:50

. Non-profit

2:56

organization that's doing it . But you can literally name a cat from

2:58

a catch-and-release program that gets neutered , because

3:00

that's what they do on catch no , no , and

3:05

you can . You can , like sponsor a cat

3:07

on Valentine's Day , and I think that's a great way

3:09

to do it . I think that's a great way to

3:11

do it .

3:12

Oh , no , no .

3:13

I think you can . You can like sponsor

3:15

a cat being neutered by

3:18

the name of your ex . So I just thought that was so

3:21

funny and I think it's hilarious

3:23

.

3:23

So somehow it's like spiritually

3:25

or metaphorically , somehow it's like you're ex

3:28

getting neutered or spate yeah exactly

3:30

.

3:30

So I just thought it was great

3:32

you get a name or rescue that then goes

3:34

to get neutered , so yeah

3:37

.

3:39

Man , Is

3:45

it liable if I say all my exes are crazy

3:47

? It's not . I would have to slander them by Name-dropping

3:50

, right . Yeah , yeah , I was

3:53

like I was like I have no one to neuter or

3:55

spay , or I'm like I'm like they're all crazy . So

3:57

if they're all crazy , it's like they're

3:59

all normal . I mean like , uh , I Don't

4:03

, yeah , have I ever dated anybody on the

4:05

level ? This is a very serious question

4:07

.

4:07

I definitely have a couple of cockroaches

4:10

in my life , you know well

4:12

, I think everybody's twisted .

4:13

And you know I mean

4:16

even you , jordan , own cats , it's

4:18

sure even you own cats . Yeah

4:21

, and that's a red flag , you

4:23

know . You know

4:25

yeah if you're , if you're just listening

4:27

, I put my finger in the air to demonstrate what a red

4:30

flag or a red alarm sounds

4:32

like . Yep

4:34

, anyway , I'm

4:37

forget about worrying about STD's . Apparently got to

4:39

worry about bubonic plague . If you're hanging out with cat

4:41

owners , I had read in

4:43

Oregon that there's a breakout of the bubonic

4:45

plague for whatever reason , and they're attributing

4:47

it to a cat Was

4:50

named after somebody's ex at Steve over there , or

4:52

Linda anyway . So

4:55

it's really not the cat , which is funny because technically

4:58

, I mean , we attributed what

5:00

the bubonic plague the last time in the Middle

5:02

Ages from Rodents

5:04

, but it wasn't actually the rodents , was the things living

5:06

on the rodents , fleas or whatever wild

5:09

yeah , so hey

5:11

, but I'll blame the cat .

5:14

Why not ? I mean , if

5:17

we're deuterine cats and calling them after our

5:19

exes , then I can definitely say that one's

5:21

probably responsible for the bubonic plague

5:23

.

5:23

But you know , one

5:26

of the cat has like a super cat name , like like

5:29

spiffy or or

5:33

Patchy , or , you know

5:35

, like what's a cat name ? Let's

5:44

, come on . Is it a pure bread , tommy

5:46

? Like what ? Let's really get down

5:48

. Let's , hey , let's not be prejudiced against

5:51

rescue cats , but , um yeah

5:53

, patchy Mcstuffins from the alleyway . There

5:55

you go on a plague spreading and

5:58

then is it sledding around town like how is it splitting

6:00

, spreading the plague among the other cats . I

6:03

guess , Horn it up and

6:05

L8 the streets of LA , no Oregon , why

6:08

don't I tell a what's a bit ? Oh , portland , yeah

6:10

, portland's out there . There you go

6:13

.

6:16

Don't be caught on people , patchy , keep

6:18

Cover

6:20

your little cat mouth with your own that's a

6:22

.

6:22

Thing anyway

6:24

, I Just announced all of

6:27

cat owners , all of them

6:29

. We're all in a box now , yeah you're

6:31

all in the bubonic leg Home

6:36

video headlines . This is kind of interesting

6:38

. Nicholas Cage might be playing

6:40

a serial killer in this trippy

6:42

horn movie called long legs . Hmm , I

6:44

don't know if you've seen the very viral

6:46

esque trailer that they dropped . This

6:49

movie is very strange .

6:50

Oh .

6:52

No 824 . They make a

6:54

bunch of weird stuff . This looks like another weird

6:56

one and I

6:58

think it's a 24 . I mean , I guess

7:00

somebody could yell at me in the comments if I'm wrong

7:03

, but it's one of those

7:05

studios . It's either neon or 824

7:07

man

7:09

. I guess I should have written that down . I wasn't gonna mention the studio

7:11

, but anyway , I'm very

7:14

cryptic . Trailers that they dropped on

7:16

YouTube and it's very . You don't

7:18

really know what's going on exactly , but

7:21

, um , it

7:24

has an interesting title . It

7:28

looks like Satanic or Coldish

7:30

or like . I

7:33

mean , it'll get your true blood , true

7:36

crime , blood pumping .

7:38

Yeah .

7:39

I was trying to say true client , true

7:41

crime fans , it'll get your blood pumping and it

7:43

came out as true blood which which is a vampire

7:46

show , the vampire show that I love so much yeah

7:48

. I tried to say a whole sentence and only

7:50

two words came out True blood .

7:52

Not exactly what you were going for , but you know

7:54

what ? Still a name that I love True crime fan

7:57

.

7:58

That's going to be this whole episode . Like , the words

8:00

that I'm trying to say are not coming out , other

8:02

things are coming out .

8:03

You stumbled into a podcast where we just stumble

8:05

across . You know all the things .

8:08

Nash words together all day . There's

8:11

a suit spin off . So

8:13

suits was a show on like

8:16

USA Network about like a

8:18

lawyer employing another guy who technically

8:20

wasn't a lawyer , but he was like a legal

8:22

eagle , so to speak , and

8:25

I think that was the whole ruse of the show . Like the main

8:28

character could get caught , like if they found out

8:30

that he was providing the legal advice then we'd

8:32

have missed trials left and right . But anyway , it's

8:34

a drama . There is a law firm

8:36

and there's a center of characters at the law firm

8:39

or whatever are the other characters

8:41

, but suits LA . So

8:43

they're going to be making that . It's headed into production

8:46

, which I just thought . Like Jordan

8:48

knows I've been , I've been watching that LA

8:50

law , that older show on Hulu . So

8:52

I'm like , oh man , they're just like kind of

8:54

in a way , redoing LA law , but

8:56

it suits LA . There you go , all

8:59

right . The next story is kind of a weird one . I was still trying

9:02

to find more stories that were like you

9:04

know , valentine's themed or whatever , and

9:06

I kept coming across a story that , like

9:09

Keanu Reeves was sued by an illusion

9:11

stalker back in 09 . And

9:13

I didn't know it . I never heard the story . I

9:15

never heard that somebody sued him , alleging

9:18

that he impregnated her while

9:20

she was hypnotized . I'm

9:23

like this is ludicrous , it's wild yeah

9:25

. The same story . But

9:27

then , like there's like 12 websites reporting it . I'm

9:29

like , is this really a fact ? And they keep digging around

9:32

. And the story said the judge ruled

9:34

, blah , blah , blah . So like I

9:37

guess I mean obviously he had nothing to

9:39

do with it , but he's like oh , here's a paternity test

9:41

, free and clear . You know what I

9:43

mean . It's just wild , wild

9:45

, wild , wild .

9:46

Well , and she was suing for like

9:48

back pay of child support for

9:51

, like her , four adult children

9:53

. So she , I'm like this

9:55

is a wild story , it's funny . I have just

9:57

read that as well and I don't recall you like

9:59

sending that my way , but it definitely popped up and

10:01

I was like this is a very

10:03

interesting story . You could make a movie out

10:06

of just that whole story , you know .

10:08

Well , I mean so on a quantum level . They

10:10

say that the past doesn't stay the

10:12

same , that it actually does change and that time's

10:15

not a fixed point . And I'm like what a crazy

10:17

theory . Like maybe back in 2009,

10:20

. This didn't happen , but

10:22

then the planes of existence

10:24

shifted and it did happen . You know what I

10:26

mean ? I'm like this is wild

10:28

, like it's like when people think of

10:30

a movie that doesn't exist , you know . But

10:33

I think that's something else . That's like it's called like Mandela

10:35

effect or whatever , because

10:38

Nelson Mandela , what's the story of that Mandela

10:41

effect ? It's like a

10:43

group of people have , like they're

10:47

convinced that a different reality existed

10:49

, or like something , something was

10:51

true and then changed , like

10:53

so , nelson Mandela , he's like the president

10:55

of South Africa or whatever . Right , but then I guess

10:57

they claim , oh no , he died in prison

10:59

or something . But then there was like one where Sinbad

11:01

was a , a gene in a movie

11:04

, but he never really was . But they claim that he is

11:06

or Berenstein bears or

11:08

Berenstan bears or whatever , which

11:11

is funny , because that one I'm caught up in , because I already

11:14

I remembered it was like Berenstein

11:16

bears . It's like a series

11:18

of children's books with a

11:20

family of bears .

11:21

Well , they had like a animated series

11:24

too .

11:25

Oh , yeah , they made it . Yeah , they did make a cartoon for a

11:27

while and there's more . There's

11:29

probably better and more examples out there , or whatever

11:31

, but that's the phenomenon which I

11:33

think we brought up that phenomenon like 17

11:35

times probably in the course of this podcast , because

11:38

it's a fascinating idea

11:40

, man . Like you know

11:42

, if time wasn't moving

11:44

in one direction , if it was moving in multiple directions

11:46

at the same time , or something could

11:48

happen in our present that could change

11:51

something that happens in 2009,

11:53

. That's a wild idea

11:55

too .

11:56

Yeah .

11:57

But this is not the wild idea podcast or the Nelson

11:59

Mandela podcast or Nelson

12:02

Mandela effects podcast or Quantum

12:04

Berenstein Bears podcast

12:06

. We have

12:08

usually a movie the week to talk about . Oh wait

12:10

, actually I do want to get more science fiction related

12:13

before we go . I just was going to ask

12:15

Jordan , have you seen a movie

12:18

called Mars Attacks ?

12:19

So I just started it like around the Halloween

12:22

time but never finished all the way through

12:24

and I mean , obviously the cast

12:26

is stacked . So it's like how can I never come

12:28

across this before ?

12:29

Yeah .

12:30

It's such a like cool , I guess

12:32

, vibe , but no , I haven't

12:35

.

12:35

I haven't completed the movie , so

12:38

somebody reminded me about it and then I pulled

12:40

it out of my DVD stack and like I even like

12:42

I was all you know threw it up on the socials

12:44

. Yeah , I like

12:46

Mars Attacks . I didn't know it was a card game

12:48

, it's like trading cards from the 60s

12:51

. Well then they made , like this comic book

12:53

in the 80s or 90s , which

12:55

I didn't even read any of the comics , I just like

12:57

know about the Tim Burton movie , right , and

13:00

like . Yeah , as she said

13:02

, like it's got my

13:04

day .

13:04

Jack Nicholson , jack Black , sarah .

13:10

Jessica Parker . Pierce

13:12

Brosnan Martin

13:18

short . I think I Think

13:22

he plays the government official that's flirting with the alien

13:24

in disguise , or maybe it's

13:26

a different actor anyway , but there's a bunch of people in

13:28

there . Um , and

13:31

that's literally what it's about . Mars attacks us , but

13:35

the aliens are cool . They're like they have skull

13:37

faces , but then they have these giant extended brains

13:39

, right like the big head alien

13:41

theory and and uh , but

13:44

they can't breathe in our oxygen . They have these like

13:46

masks on the whole time . Anyway , um

13:50

, I just wanted to sidetrack

13:52

. I'm gonna sidetrack the whole 45 minutes

13:54

that we're here .

13:55

We're never getting baby .

13:56

We're never getting to tonight's movie . Just

13:59

kidding , um , tonight's movie

14:01

is called white of the eye . Basically

14:04

, a stereo salesman is accused of being a

14:06

cilia killer in an Arizona town

14:08

it's globe , arizona which is One

14:11

of the maybe bigger but still isolated

14:13

communities . I don't know , um

14:16

, and then what

14:18

else is going on ? Oh , and there's like a love triangle

14:20

at the center of it all . That is like I

14:24

get . I mean , I I don't really know the community

14:27

of globe that well , but if this movie suggests that

14:29

this is a place where people go to let their dreams

14:31

die , and then they get

14:33

stuck there and then they live there , and

14:36

so , like there's a couple literally

14:38

going cross country or something , but

14:41

then , because she hooks up with the dude , she

14:43

marries the dude and the other dude goes to jail . I

14:45

don't know . The other dude is gone for like 20 years

14:47

and then comes back and he's he's

14:49

like a vagabond . At that point

14:51

, like on the way

14:54

out through the desert they

14:56

flash back to like the late 70s or

14:58

early 80s or whatever , and

15:01

the

15:03

girls with this guy and he's like , uh , he

15:06

looks like a disco guy from like new york

15:08

or something , and he's , and

15:10

they're just passing through him and

15:12

the guy fixes their radio but then , because he hooks

15:14

up with the girl , the girl decides to stay with the radio

15:16

guy or stereo guy , and then

15:18

like that's it . But stereo

15:20

man is played by , uh , david keith , who you might

15:23

know is the dad from fire starter , um

15:26

, among other things . But

15:28

you must recognize kathy moriarty from one

15:30

of your favorite movies , my favorite , but

15:32

she's much younger so I didn't know if you were gonna catch

15:34

it or not .

15:35

Yeah , of course I caught it right away . She's got

15:38

such an iconic voice and I know I get

15:40

Shit from you all the time about her

15:42

. But let me tell you Because

15:44

, kathy , moriarty plays the villain in casper

15:46

.

15:47

She's so good , but she's also the , what , the , the

15:49

wife and reggie bull and um , and

15:52

she's also in copland , which is like a movie that I like

15:54

a lot . But Um , she's mostly known

15:56

for when she's older , like in her career , so

15:58

she's like Young

16:01

and spelt and sweaty in this movie . Couple

16:03

steamy scenes , couple of steamy scenes

16:05

, for sure . Um , the

16:08

jumping back and forth between present

16:10

day and how the three of them met

16:12

and hung out is a little jumbled

16:14

and confusing , but I'll say that for the rating

16:16

section . Okay , I think that's perfect . I got , yeah

16:19

, I got stuff to say Cool

16:21

.

16:23

I think it means it's time for savage stats

16:26

. I've got a few of them

16:28

here . Um , for you

16:30

, of course , you did mention one

16:32

. The climactic chase Sequence

16:34

with the two vehicles towards the end of

16:37

the movie was shot in

16:39

globe , arizona , and it was an

16:41

actual abandoned copper mine . Very

16:43

cool scene though . Um , you've

16:45

got , you know , kind of these half made Structures

16:48

. You've got this massive copper mine as

16:50

well , and it's

16:52

a pretty wild , you

16:54

know , car chase sequence . Um

16:58

, what I found really interesting

17:00

was , according to kathy moyardy

17:03

, donald camel was

17:05

so attentive to the dialogue

17:07

that neither her or david

17:09

keith were allowed to do any sort of

17:11

ad lib During their scenes

17:14

. Moyardy has spoken

17:16

of the difficulty that she had

17:18

with it at first , because it was

17:20

the first time ever that a director

17:23

hadn't allowed her to improvise

17:25

, so she had to stick . They

17:28

were required to stick very

17:30

much to the actual dialogue

17:32

script . Um , I could

17:34

see how that would be a little difficult

17:36

, you know , not being able to kind of like

17:38

Riff a little bit or free

17:40

flow , you know , but stick into , you

17:43

know see , I didn't know there was any script

17:45

involved in this movie .

17:47

So pretty that , like , I have to give

17:49

the actors a lot more credit now having you

17:51

haven't said that , because , dang

17:54

, the actor made them stick to the lines of the script

17:56

. No room for ad libbing . Well

17:59

, the the script doesn't seem that

18:01

like in play . Hmm

18:04

, it doesn't feel very structured

18:06

to me , so the fact that they

18:08

couldn't deviate from their lines is really

18:10

kind of mind boggling . But anyway , uh , okay , I'll

18:13

gripe later .

18:14

Yeah , um , okay

18:19

. So a cool thing was

18:21

that the score of this film

18:23

was done by nick mason , who

18:26

is one of the like , founding members

18:28

of pink floyd . Um , this

18:30

was one of his only or

18:32

non pink floyd associated

18:34

productions that he's done , so

18:37

that's pretty cool .

18:40

And then , and the soundtrack is not pink

18:42

floyd esque at all . No no , no

18:44

.

18:45

Yeah , you know which makes sense

18:47

, why it's like maybe one of his only projects

18:49

that he didn't , that he did , you

18:51

know um , they try

18:54

to give it like a native american vibe . They got

18:56

the drums and the blues . Yeah , I

18:59

mean , it takes place , you know , in arizona

19:01

, or as close to setting yeah . Yeah

19:05

, um , but the

19:07

opening scene , the brutal opening

19:09

murder scene where the housewife is

19:11

, you know , of course , I think

19:14

she strangled to death . She used

19:16

a lot of the I

19:24

would assume that that's a lot of shots in

19:26

order to compromise that or to

19:28

compose that first initial murder

19:31

scene right out of the gate . So it's

19:33

what we got for stats today .

19:36

Oh , so yeah , I thought there was going to be a fact about the eyeballs

19:39

. I mean , we stare at so many eyeballs . It's

19:41

like the metaphor of the the . The

19:43

name of the movie is white of the eye

19:45

, which , according to the one character , the

19:49

cockled . The cockled says at one point

19:51

that he has a patchy blood and it's

19:53

supposed to be some kind of phrase an Apache , when

19:55

you get cockled , I don't know

19:57

. He's using it to describe

19:59

when you kind of seduce somebody with

20:01

the power of your eyes or your , your

20:04

voice , or you have some kind of mystical power

20:06

to suggest , of suggestion

20:08

, almost like it's funny . We mentioned

20:10

hip to hypnosis earlier In

20:12

relation to a lawsuit with a star

20:14

, but now we're talking about how , in this movie , it's

20:16

like the power to influence somebody is

20:19

what the one guy attributes for why

20:21

he ends up being a cockled .

20:23

Well , I think what it's also referring to

20:25

is like moments of battle , because

20:27

you know you have the main character

20:29

, you know paul , who you

20:32

know does his thing , and it's

20:35

by having that

20:37

sort of in like altercation Close

20:41

enough and in the physical proximity

20:43

of somebody where you can see the whites of their eyes Right

20:47

. So it's like you know that's

20:50

. It is interesting . There are a lot of eyeballs

20:52

, you know .

20:54

They can't get rid of the eye metaphors and yet , like

20:57

their , I

21:01

can't think it was first thing , but full tree . The

21:04

Italian horror filmmaker Um

21:07

Loves doing stuff to eyeballs

21:09

but they usually get mangled and you lay

21:11

to , destroyed , sliced , yeah

21:14

. So that I mean it makes

21:16

sense for the close-up , extreme close-ups of eyeballs and

21:18

those movies . In

21:21

this movie we don't know if we're looking

21:23

from the killer's perspective , the victim's perspectives . At

21:27

one point it suggests the killer's perspectives because we're stalking through the hallways , kind

21:29

of like point

21:31

of view shots or whatever

21:33

, and uh , obviously

21:36

they wait till the last possible minute to reveal the killer

21:39

, um . But

21:43

Other

21:45

than that they don't really use the eyeballs for

21:48

anything , it just stays on a metaphorical

21:50

level . What was the point I was making ? Oh

21:53

, I thought they were gonna really like , really

21:55

bring it home and like Destroy

21:57

an eyeball or something . I guess not , they're not gonna

21:59

take . I'm a whore filmmaker .

22:01

Yeah , you are right , though , Like you don't know like

22:03

whose eyeballs they belong to , like

22:05

it's just like it's still confusing .

22:07

Yeah , yeah cuz it's

22:09

not consistent . We don't know , because

22:11

at one point it is the victim's eyes and at one point it

22:13

is the killer's eyes . It goes back and forth . Yeah

22:16

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22:19

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22:35

bits from wide of the eye In

22:38

this podcast that you're already listening to . Congratulations

22:41

, we're here with Jordan's favorite

22:43

bits . What do you got ?

22:44

I noted a couple of things that made

22:46

me incredibly unhinged

22:49

.

22:50

Hmm , it actually made you a squirm

22:52

, uncomfortable .

22:53

Yes , like when the detective

22:56

washes his hands in the toilet water

22:58

. So

23:00

it was .

23:01

I thought it was a link to the sink , but he was just

23:04

looking for water .

23:06

What does that suggest to you ?

23:07

that they're incompetent detectives

23:09

like I .

23:12

I was like , did he just wash his hands in

23:14

the toilet water like ? Hmm , Because

23:17

I think the purpose was

23:19

because there was blood in the shower .

23:21

Oh , I'm glad everywhere . What

23:24

in the kitchen , I got a clean source of water

23:26

right here in the , in the toilet and

23:28

washes his hands in the toilet bowl

23:31

and so that I , would be fair

23:33

, did have that blue soap , that

23:35

, what is it ? The

23:38

200 thousand dial flushes

23:40

or whatever . What is it called ?

23:41

I don't think that was invented back then , but whatever

23:44

like . I

23:46

was like that made me incredibly unhinged

23:49

. And then there's also the like Officer

23:52

who's flossing his teeth in the

23:54

mirror and you can just like see

23:56

the crime scene .

23:57

I didn't know it was like they

23:59

were . The police mirror

24:01

.

24:03

No , Paul and Joan have a friend over

24:05

and he's like just like a

24:07

lower level officer . I

24:09

don't know really what .

24:12

Police , the sheriff ? Yeah , so it's the

24:14

. It's the deputy that likes the

24:16

sunsets ?

24:17

Yes , and he's like those

24:19

two , like you know .

24:21

I don't know so the deputy

24:23

displays really strange behavior

24:25

. He like powdery in his armpits

24:27

.

24:28

Yeah , and he's like in there flossing

24:31

his teeth and you can see the stuff like splattering

24:34

all over the mirror . There was just like a

24:36

lot of little things that I had

24:38

seen . That I was like , what is this movie

24:40

about ? And Another

24:42

piece of that was my I'm not

24:44

even sure I'm .

24:45

I've watched it now I'm still not even sure what this

24:47

movie's about .

24:49

I know well in like it was . It

24:51

started off like right off the bat to you with like

24:53

unhinged stuff . I would say my favorite

24:56

scene really was the initial like murder

24:58

scene , because it starts off really

25:00

weird , right . He's like stalking her

25:02

and then she goes to look

25:04

at like her meat that's in a

25:06

marinade and one of the goldfish was put

25:09

inside the marinade and

25:12

I don't know it just like started there . There's

25:14

all this color and blood and water

25:16

from flowers and it just

25:18

was kind of a wild like Starts

25:21

the scene but it like went right into the

25:23

unhingedness and I was like what

25:25

are we watching ? And yeah

25:28

, that's kind of some of my favorite bits . It was just

25:31

Kind of a little bit

25:33

of a skin skin .

25:36

The board housewife , who becomes like victim for

25:38

something like that . She like keeps breaking

25:41

her stereo . So he has to come over with

25:43

this deal , get it , fix it . I was like

25:45

, oh , dear penthouse letters . So

25:49

funny kids . If you don't know what penthouse is

25:51

, your parents do go ask them right now

25:53

what penthouse is anyway , for

25:56

anyone who's younger than 40 , 30 , 20

25:59

, I don't know . You've probably heard it in a

26:01

bunch of movies . It's a magazine . Yeah

26:03

, before you get things clips on your phone

26:05

Free , you had to buy magazines

26:08

, yes . Yeah

26:12

people tell their sexy stories . They would write

26:14

dear penthouse forms and they would tell other sexy

26:17

stories and this and this part

26:19

of the movie is literally a penthouse

26:22

form letter and

26:24

no

26:26

conflict there . But I guess like they're all cheaters

26:28

. Yeah , like she ditched the

26:30

boyfriend who was trying to drive from New York to LA

26:33

, stayed with the stereo man and Then

26:35

he apparently hooks up with all his stereo

26:37

clients that happen to be lonely housewives living in globe

26:39

. When their sales salesmen

26:41

husbands are gone to Phoenix or something . You know what I mean

26:43

like who knows ? My

26:47

favorite bit , though , is is when the

26:49

, the lady , gets wrapped

26:51

up in the carpet with like zip ties , but then he

26:53

bounces her into the tub , yes , but

26:55

then he holds up a mirror so she can

26:57

. So I mean , if we're gonna go with I

26:59

metaphors he , like the the killer

27:01

, shows the victim her own face as she's drowning

27:04

in the tub , and I thought like , wow

27:06

, what an elaborate horror movie thing

27:08

to do . Yeah it's your bloodlust

27:10

running right there . It's pretty hot for it

27:12

and like it's pretty wild . We

27:15

still don't know who the killer is at that point and that's

27:17

like a third of the way in the movie . Maybe . But the

27:19

movie so just joined it with its flashbacks

27:21

, like trying to like . It

27:24

uses the flashbacks too heavy because like there's

27:26

no character development Except for

27:28

in the flashbacks , to try to make us

27:30

care one way or the other about the characters . But

27:32

then , like , then the movie takes like a rat

27:34

, like turns into Rambo . At one point , like

27:37

Both , the killer is suddenly

27:39

stacked with a personal arsenal that

27:42

you might see in Rambo oh , I

27:44

like his war paint , because they were trying to keep the same

27:46

, like you know , whatever

27:49

mystique that they had , you know , going the

27:51

little girl Danielle was pretty cute too

27:53

when she , like she finds her mom

27:56

like Locked up in the attic

27:58

and she crawls up there and

28:00

she's Mom .

28:02

Dad is wearing a bunch of hot dogs . And

28:08

it's just like I loved the

28:10

little ballsy girl .

28:11

Well , the little girl's like out to lunch , like the more

28:13

the movie goes on , I guess there's like something

28:15

wrong with the little girl . You know , like she's

28:17

not all there , but

28:20

uh serial killer for . Okay

28:24

, it's like like I'm not . It's not a spoiler alert

28:26

because I don't like the movie enough to say here's

28:28

the spoiler for the evening . It's

28:30

just , I mean , I'm

28:35

bleeding into ratings now . Okay , so I like the war

28:37

paint on his face . I like that one

28:39

thing of the bathtub sequence and Our

28:42

ratings go like this Binge

28:44

now . You got to put it at the top of your playlist , watch

28:46

it now , binge later , get

28:48

to it eventually , but it's not something that's so

28:50

exciting or so we're so passionate

28:52

about it . You got to play it right now . Or like , spend the rest

28:54

of your evening watching it and then binge

28:57

never , which Jordan continues

28:59

to argue that it doesn't exist , and I understand

29:01

from a philosophical point . But she's

29:04

saying you will even seek out the bad

29:06

movies Just to have the experience

29:08

, and I get it . However , binge never

29:10

means don't waste your two hours or 90

29:12

minutes . You can't get the time back . You

29:15

wasted it . Um

29:17

, I

29:20

Guess I'll just go

29:22

into my points . And it's obvious , even

29:24

if somebody's been listening to the whole episode of Long-form

29:28

content with us here , okay , if

29:30

you've been listening to the whole ride so far , I

29:33

think you can tell by the tone of my voice I don't like this movie

29:35

, very much so , and

29:37

it's the first time watch . I should have put a disclaimer at

29:39

the beginning , like usually there's some research done

29:42

. I had replaced another movie in the

29:44

lineup with this movie because I like David

29:46

Keith , but I

29:48

don't want David Keith to be a murderer . And

29:51

then it technically goes off its hinges , like

29:53

when he's covered in dynamite and

29:56

Bandoleros

29:58

. I think they're called bandoleros when you wear a bunch

30:01

of ammo on like a belt but across your chest

30:03

. So he's got like three or four rings

30:06

of ammo , three

30:10

pistols and some

30:13

kind of automatic weapon . But

30:16

then he kills the family dog , he's shooting at his

30:18

little girl , then he's going after the wife

30:20

and then the old and then the

30:23

hermit ex-con boyfriend . The cockled

30:26

Shows up . He's wrapped

30:28

in a Afghan blanket which is like

30:30

just a style quilt or whatever , but

30:33

again still has the Southwest motif

30:36

. You know , you know . I mean like the same thing

30:38

with the music and the setting and the metaphors

30:40

. It's the motif's right into the blanket

30:42

and he's like been living at the abandoned

30:44

work site , as Jordan said . In real life

30:46

it's like a former copper mine , but

30:50

he's got like a freakin , the gun

30:52

that's that's usually attached

30:54

to the back of an army jeep or something like a 50

30:56

caliber machine , like

30:58

rifle , machine gun , and and

31:01

he's gonna use it on the

31:03

serial killer . So now we're not even the realm of serial

31:05

killer movies anymore , because these aren't

31:07

types of weapons that Serial

31:10

murderers typically use according to their FBI

31:13

profiles or any of the movies . Don't you see that ?

31:15

even like his like . If we're

31:17

talking about like serial killer stuff , right , typically

31:19

they have like a they

31:22

, they have they . He does the same thing

31:24

for every one of his kills and so now

31:26

, at the very end , he's pivoting to all this ammunition

31:29

and stuff .

31:30

Well , I would I would like to come from . Well

31:32

, I think the kills aren't even that consistent

31:34

. Actually , like , because

31:36

you mentioned , like in the beginning , he's playing with a pet

31:38

at one of the things and

31:41

then , like he body slams the girl to knock

31:43

her out , to put her in the tub . He

31:45

doesn't use the ties , I don't think anywhere

31:47

else You're right .

31:48

I guess it's like there's strangulation , then

31:50

there's also drowning , it's kind of

31:53

no pattern , there's no consist , there's no pattern

31:55

, right .

31:56

And then at one point the movies , like it's trying to like

31:58

MacGuffin you or red herring you or whatever they

32:00

, whatever they say in mystery novels , or like True

32:03

crime movies you tell me what the

32:05

terms are but like , like

32:07

, oh , the cockled tires

32:09

. I'm calling him that because I don't know what the name Jordan

32:12

knows the names in this movie . I don't know any of the

32:14

names Stereoman . They

32:17

think he's a serial killer because of the size of

32:19

the tires on this truck and only four people

32:21

in Arizona have these tires . So he's on

32:24

their , on their list of suspects

32:26

. The cockled also has the

32:28

tires on his repair , his repair truck

32:30

, or whatever . Because the movie suggests

32:32

that he's like working at a auto body shop

32:34

next to a motel Unclear

32:36

, because he's wearing a jumpsuit and there's

32:39

a auto body shop in a motel in one

32:41

scene and it looks like a service

32:43

truck that he's driving around him and they

32:46

the movie zooms in on the tire , like haha

32:49

, yeah , right , was doing the killing , you

32:52

know , um , but like

32:54

going , like attacking your own family , like

32:56

there's that famous American

32:58

serial killer , btk or whatever . He's

33:01

like a family man , like a regular dude . You

33:03

know I'm saying yeah , I'm like , and

33:06

then gets caught and like his thing

33:09

was like pretty ritual but he had like

33:11

a whole family life . So the movie deviating

33:13

Because then like you think I'm like what

33:15

it look . What do we take away from here ? It's about

33:18

the love affair , which actually

33:20

the most twisted but most serious

33:22

part is like the fact that she still loves him At

33:24

the end .

33:25

Yeah , so .

33:28

Yeah , yeah

33:31

, yeah . And then he , and then he like

33:33

has a moment where he's also talking to her like

33:35

, oh yeah , like this is Like they could

33:37

just go home after that and have freaking . You

33:39

know , like I

33:42

don't know they could go home and have dinner . You

33:44

know what I mean .

33:47

Yeah , he's trying to like blow her up

33:49

all the way down to the core of the earth and then

33:51

into the stratosphere . It's like I don't know . But

33:53

if not .

33:53

If they had managed not to wound and maim each other , they

33:55

could just go back and , like you know , turn on the

33:58

tv Football game

34:00

or whatever . Yeah , nothing happened . Nothing's happened

34:02

. Yeah , weird . Cook

34:04

actual hot dogs for the daughter and just move on

34:06

the next day . However , you

34:09

know , in the in the theme of valentines

34:11

, I mean A relationships

34:13

are kind of kind of like that , like you take it , you

34:16

could take it all the way there to an 11 , and then

34:18

like you're just watching , like you know

34:20

, um , I

34:22

don't know , modern , modern family reruns or something

34:25

. You know what I mean . Like

34:27

that's

34:30

how it is , folks . Anyway

34:32

, instead of like any accident , you

34:34

walk , walk away from , like , oh , any relationship

34:37

you can walk away from dang

34:39

.

34:41

Um , so what are you gonna rate it ?

34:45

Yeah , those are the three reasons I'm gonna say

34:47

binge never , because I

34:49

don't want want to see david keith being

34:52

the killer . Um

34:54

, technically it has all . It's just poorly edited

34:57

, like I just the pacing of the

34:59

movie itself , like it's

35:01

not consistent enough on a technical level . And

35:04

then you say , like they had

35:06

to say the words verbatim , are

35:09

they ? Is it really that great of a script to begin with ? Then you

35:11

know what I mean . Like it doesn't

35:14

seem to be Like

35:17

that . Shakespeare , I mean the best acting is

35:19

when she , when she still loves him . And you're just

35:21

like what the hell ? Oh yeah

35:23

, yeah , like I mean , you know

35:25

, the

35:28

stuff with the little girl at home was a little inconsistent

35:30

, but then like he don't want her to get shot , but

35:33

then like he could he

35:35

choose his own dog , which is like , come on , man . Then

35:38

he says some wild shit when he's

35:40

chasing her . He says some wild things are like just

35:42

wild . And then the flashback he kisses

35:44

the other guy Before

35:47

she gets the blood of the deer , which is fine , that's ceremonial

35:50

, whatever he's . We're trying

35:52

to establish that he , you know , he drinks the blood

35:54

of his victims , whatever , or absorbs

35:56

the power of the animal he just killed . So we're getting , we're

35:58

getting to that real primal level , right . But

36:03

then he kisses the guy and the guy's like what's

36:05

happening ? Yeah

36:07

, looks what . I'm like when

36:10

we taking this ?

36:11

Like I'm completely forgot about that . Yeah

36:13

, no , it was a binge . Never for me too . I

36:15

literally was like the whole

36:17

time . I was like what is happening

36:19

in this movie ? I Genuinely

36:23

don't know what's going on in this movie

36:25

. And so that was really hard

36:27

to kind of like follow along . It's like

36:29

, okay , there's a murt . I'm like , is it about murders

36:32

or is it about something else ? I don't

36:34

really know ? And then it was so

36:36

, yeah , no , it was a binge , never for

36:38

sure . I don't know if it would be

36:40

different if I watched it a second time or

36:43

what .

36:43

I feel the same you know I don't think you can

36:45

watch this movie again .

36:46

I don't .

36:47

I think you're right about that , so

36:49

I want to like David Keith so much and then

36:51

you're just like it's a movie , just gonna prove that he's the one

36:53

who did it and like he's , whatever

36:55

. You know I Mean like

36:58

it's . And then part of you like it's really funny

37:00

, you ever watch like I don't . It

37:03

was like a joke in a movie . It was either a joke

37:05

in a movie or a joke online or joking

37:08

a cartoon , I don't remember . I can't remember

37:10

the source material , but the bottom line . Somebody

37:12

said like oh , I love horror movies when everybody's

37:14

getting along , everybody's friends , everyone's having a good time

37:16

, right before every , right before bad

37:19

things happen . Like Then

37:21

the specific knowledge about all the

37:23

stereo equipment was really fascinating

37:26

. But that , but the movie's not about

37:28

stereo Equivalent . If

37:33

only the movie was about that just about a

37:35

stereo guy that hey , that bangs housewives

37:37

and knows a lot about these weird stereo components

37:40

.

37:40

Yeah , man .

37:45

Um , oh , I made comments

37:47

the other day about this Percy Jackson show and

37:50

my point was simply that they didn't

37:52

invest in the CGI . And then CGI took

37:54

, takes you out of the story , and so you can't suspend

37:57

your disbelief to believe in the fantastical

37:59

things that are supposed to be on the screen . Yeah

38:01

, I eat the monsters , the animated characters that

38:03

are interacting with the real people . And

38:05

, uh , wilson on tick tock said you

38:08

can't fault them for a low budget . Cgi

38:10

is expensive . When

38:13

I read this on tick tock , I thought

38:15

for a second oh , I'm gonna immediately reply . I'm gonna

38:17

reply to Wilson and be like I

38:21

can't fault them for a bad budget because , freaking

38:23

Disney , they have the biggest budgets of all the tv shows on

38:25

television , right , true

38:27

, and the internet . And then like , and CGI

38:29

is expensive . Like , even if that were true

38:31

, that CGI is expensive , they

38:34

could have just employed people to build the things

38:36

and so we'd have

38:38

more , more people employed and

38:40

less fake stuff . But

38:42

I was like His response

38:44

means he doesn't understand what I'm saying

38:47

, he doesn't get it . You know what I mean . Like , yeah

38:49

, like I can't fault them for having

38:51

a low budget . Like I don't

38:53

know who's assigning budgets and I don't think the budget is

38:55

very low , like , like , those

38:58

productions are expensive anyway . And

39:01

then the CGI . It would suck

39:03

to think that we're spending so much money on it

39:05

when it looks that horrible . Like

39:07

, let's allocate , let's spend the money somewhere else . Is

39:09

what I'm saying , right , yeah

39:11

?

39:12

Yeah , yeah , well , and it's like if the money's

39:14

going towards those resources in the first

39:16

place , you got to just do it right , right

39:18

, yeah .

39:19

Yeah , otherwise you can fault them

39:21

for having a bad budget and poor CGI

39:23

because they've allocated so much money yeah

39:25

, specific purpose and it still sucks . Then you

39:28

know what are you gonna do do it right or pay

39:30

the price .

39:31

You know so .

39:34

Everybody just likes it . When I'm PG and all my criticism

39:36

of movies and tv is just so nice . Then

39:39

when I actually say something like hey guys , I

39:42

love magical creatures and I just don't believe

39:44

the magical creatures in this show , um

39:47

, anyway , um

39:50

, if you watch something that's not the movie of the week

39:52

, you have anything you want to share with the audience .

39:55

We're watching some old stuff , you

39:57

know , just watching , like the old Jurassic

39:59

park . We talked about Jurassic park a couple weeks

40:01

ago on on this and uh , yeah

40:03

, we watched , just like the original .

40:06

The first one Are you gonna do the original three , are

40:08

you gonna get into the ? Lost world , and then the

40:10

third one .

40:11

Yeah , I love the third one . I

40:13

love it when they bring back sam neal and they're

40:15

in like the whole kind of like Bird

40:18

cage , if you will , for the pterodactyls

40:20

. It was like pretty . That was like

40:22

a highlight for me growing up as a kid . So , um

40:25

yeah , just watching some fun old

40:27

things with good Lookin

40:29

dinosaurs , for it being 2024

40:32

now and those movies

40:34

being done in what the 90s , so I'll

40:36

take it .

40:37

Yeah , did I already mention that the original

40:39

ninja turtles was on paramount plus ? I

40:42

don't think so , okay . So , anyway , if you

40:44

want to watch the late 80s , early 90s

40:46

, the original Ninja

40:49

turtles cartoon , it's on paramount plus . Oh

40:54

, and then Queen pins that's a movie I told

40:56

you about like maybe six months ago , and it

40:59

had like disappeared off

41:02

the network that made it , hmm , and

41:04

then it was like nowhere to be found . But it's Christian

41:07

bail , not Christian Kristen

41:10

, again , with tonight's words

41:12

, kristen Bell and Paul

41:16

Walterhauser and Vince Vaughn . Queen

41:18

pins is about like these coupon ladies that figure

41:20

out how to get the coupons from other manufacturers

41:23

, yeah , and make an unlimited amount of

41:25

copies so they become like cartel

41:27

bosses in a way . Very

41:29

super entertaining and it popped up on Netflix

41:32

, so that's a good cast to right

41:34

. Yeah , like that movie I

41:36

want Jordan's take on that one . Then

41:41

I watched I was debating whether or not

41:43

for Valentine's , if we're gonna watch this movie called see

41:45

a love , which has al Pacino

41:47

. I might have mentioned this in a couple episodes ago . I don't

41:49

know if I actually brought this up or not . Maybe I

41:51

did , but see a love has al Pacino , ellen

41:53

Barkin and John Goodman and

41:56

they're trying to figure out if she

41:58

is a murderer because all these dates

42:01

keep dying , like men that post these ads

42:03

, like we get a . Instead

42:05

of talking about just penthouse letters tonight , we can

42:07

get some other news going . People

42:10

, instead of Tinder , had to actually print

42:12

ads in magazines and newspapers to

42:14

To go on dates . That was the

42:16

dating app of you know , 40 years

42:19

ago . 50 years ago , whatever . You

42:22

post single ads and

42:24

then go on blind dates and so somebody's

42:27

killing all the blind dates in this movie . I

42:29

don't why didn't I select it for this ? Maybe

42:31

because we want with master instead , I don't

42:34

know See

42:37

, a love might show up somewhere in one of our podcasts

42:39

one day , who knows for sure ?

42:40

Netflix just dropped another

42:43

like true crime , like

42:45

episode . It's a , it's a documentary

42:48

but it's called like

42:50

I think it's lover

42:53

, killer , stalker , something , but

42:55

it's about , it's a literally that the

42:57

real life version of see of what you just said

42:59

Exactly this guy

43:01

.

43:02

That's probably why I see a love was in their catalog

43:04

, because when they were like they get

43:06

relatable content kind of like tandem

43:08

stuff .

43:09

Yeah , yeah , exactly .

43:15

Yeah , so there is a brand new movie . I was , I

43:17

almost watched it the other day . It's like that

43:19

. It's like a guy Goes on

43:21

a date , she turns out to be a stalker and then she rucks

43:23

his life . You know , for I don't know how

43:25

long Also

43:28

described his marriage in the dictionary . What's

43:30

a dictionary , kids ? Seriously

43:33

, these books are how words are spelled

43:35

, those filled with words . I told you what the words

43:37

were about . I Mean

43:39

. I'm sure there's an app . They're probably dictionary . There is

43:41

dictionary calm and I think they probably have an app

43:43

for it . But Stick

43:46

around , we'll come back with like more podcasts

43:49

. And I just realized

43:51

now that I'm about to play the outro song , that

43:53

I never even played the intro

43:55

the music . That is the intro . Well , I don't

43:58

know what to do about that . Oh , I'll

44:00

figure it out . Oh , I

44:04

, maybe

44:16

that we'll have to develop that as a rule , where

44:18

you're just like John shut up , play the play

44:20

the theme song . John shut up . Yeah

44:22

, the theme song . You're already in headlines . Oh

44:24

shit , we're already in fever pants . I

44:29

.

44:31

Save for it or something theme song

44:33

say for it . I got to figure out something where I can

44:35

be like alert , alert , yeah

44:39

, yeah .

44:41

I think if we say something like before you spoil anything

44:43

more John .

44:45

Whatever ? Slowy rolled speed racer

44:47

yeah , get the intro

44:49

video rocking and rolling . Something

44:52

We'll figure it out .

44:56

Definitely won't be hanging out in globe Arizona

44:58

anytime soon .

44:59

No .

45:02

Just because the movie doesn't you

45:04

know , suggest that it's a tourist attraction .

45:07

No , I love that . It does say

45:09

that it's a luxurious . In

45:11

the like synopsis it's like a luxury

45:14

. I'm like was it a luxury community

45:16

?

45:17

I don't know Like even

45:19

the synopsis is all confusing , so

45:21

I forgot to mention that the movie taught us that a country

45:23

boy can survive Because

45:25

they were playing that song as well . Hmm

45:27

but she was driving the car , so

45:29

it's not like they didn't give her a country girl song

45:31

, it was country boy can survive

45:34

, anyway

45:36

, that you pop

45:38

, just tires . She did

45:40

do that the only evidence that he

45:42

was the serial killer in the first place , tie

45:45

her true .

45:48

Full circle .