In today's episode of Brave in Business Bec chats to Dee Brennan from Think Out Loud. Dee is a wellbeing and mindfulness coach, helping people to add spaciousness into their days with mindfulness workshops and coaching, walking coaching sessions and rooftop  meditation sessions. We hear about Dee's journey to how she got to where she is today,  how mindfulness helped her through her most difficult moments and what makes her brave in business.

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15. Dee Brennan from Think Out Loud - Being Brave and Mindful Moments - Transcript

Hi there It's Bec McFarland, your host of the braving business podcast. Just a quick heads up that this podcast episode contains discussion about topics that may distress some listeners. These topics include cancer, pregnancy loss and trauma. More generally, if these topics are likely to cause you any distress or upset, you might want to skip this episode and come back for the next one. And if you need any support as a result of listening to this discussion, we've listed a range of resources in the show notes. Hi. I'm Bec McFarlane from popular business and popular career. In this podcast, I'll be speaking to entrepreneurs who have overcome adversity, made difficult decisions, challenged the status quo and achieved amazing things in their businesses. Welcome to Braven Business. the Brennan is a well-being and mindfulness coach. Her business is called Think Out loud. She takes her clients walking as they talk it out, has people meditating on rooftops and sometimes mindfully enjoying a glass of wine whilst they are considering what's next in life. As a mum, partner and business owner, Mindfulness has become a non-negotiable in her life. And she considers that a superpower. Hey, Dee. Welcome to the Braven business podcast. How are you today? I'm good. Thanks, Beck. Thanks for having me. This is exciting. I know it's been a long time coming, so I'm stoked to be finally talking to you, I'd like for you to start off by just telling me a little bit about your business and how you got to where you are today. OK, like every business, it's been a journey, right? So I guess the basics was and how I got to do what I'm doing now, which is mostly around coaching and mindfulness, is that I was at Well, I still am partly a massage therapist for a years. So that's a lot of listening and finding out what happens in people's lives. Um, and it evolved over the time. So initially when I started out as a massage therapist, I was doing a lot of sports stuff. So travelling overseas with pro cycling teams and working with a F l superstars and type A personalities, and that was all really fun. Um, but in terms of working on their bodies, I was actually more interested. Not so much in their lower back pain. um, but more about what else was going on in their life in terms of managing their their energy levels, um, and stress and how that was affecting their, um, careers as well. So it's kind of evolved over the time, and then, you know, you have your own little crisis, So I had a little bout of cancer, which was, um, quite significant at the time. Um, and then you know, I'm looking for my own strategies and came across mindfulness. So I implemented that into my life as well. And and now I kind of do a bit of a combination of of all of that. But really, what really lights me up and gives me the most joy these days is just going walking for people and finding out what's going on in their life. And that can just be enough to just lighten the load Yeah. So that's what I'm doing these days. fabulous. Thanks for that day. It's super interesting, I guess, how you described that transition from, like massage, where you are doing a lot of listening through to actually moving into the coaching space. I think that's really cool. So one of the one of your popular services that you have is doing that walk in coaching. How did that tell about Well, I had a teacher. who got in touch with me about doing some coaching, and when I asked her about you know what, what's going on for her? At the moment, she was incredibly stressed. Like most teachers, Ali's days with the incredible demands as well as having a family life. And she was burnt out. And I asked her When was the last time she did something for herself or even, you know, um went to the gym or whatever she used to do. She used to go to spin classes and she said, I can't remember So I said, Well, why don't I When I meet you for a coaching session, why don't we walk at the same time? and that's how it evolved. It was like, Well, she needed to get her exercise in, Um, and she wanted to talk through things. She's busy. Let's just make the most of it and walk and talk at the same time, so I just find. It's really a lot of my clients are Taipei. They've got busy lives and I wanna make it really worth their time. So if they can get a walk in and sort their shit out at the same time, I think that's pretty good value. yeah, totally. And I mean, I hate the saying of killing two birds with one stone, but it's that kind of attitude of where you're able to achieve so much within that hour. Yeah, totally. I mean, I, um every Wednesday morning I go running with my friends, and some of them have got their own business at the same time as well. And we talk about business, we go for a run at the same time, and we just feel like we've got you know, we've got a lot of our chests at the same time and we've got our exercising and we're socialising, and I just I feel amazed. When I meet with my friends every week for this regular activity, Um, and it just kills. It probably kills three or four birds at one time, you know, and I love that, and I feel energised and like I've got so much out of that and I kind of because I I know how much I get out of it. I wanted to give that to other people as well, and there's a lot of people I know that don't have that outlet, Um, and it's nice to be able to give that to others, because I know what it feels like. Yeah, it's cool as well, because And I mean, especially for those people who are type A. You know, we are so focused on productivity and how we can be more efficient and more effective and all of this and like, I know I'm a little bit of a productivity junkie like I spend a lot of time on YouTube. All things, looking up, ways to be more productive. Probably the first step to get off YouTube. But, you know, being able to take that approach in a really tangible and beneficial way. And to get that, you know, the exercise and the socialising and the, you know, the coaching and and all of that all in one, it's, um, yeah, I think it's really powerful and like something that would it would be great to see more. Hm. And I, um you know, like I want it to be fun too, like, because, like, I had a session a couple of days ago with a lady who, you know, I first met about six years ago, and she's been through so much, So every now and then she comes back into my life when she's gone through something big. So she's just gone through a whole bunch of grief. She's changed her careers, She's thinking about letting her husband, but we're pretty sure that's just menopause. Sorting it through, Um, and you know, during that session she's walking. She's getting her exercise in, and she doesn't even know she's getting her exercise in cos she's too busy trying to offload what's going on. She's cried in that session, so she's, you know, gone through a grieving process or some of it, because that's gonna pop up again. Um, You know, we've made a joke about the fact that you know, she told her husband she wanted to leave him, But, you know, in hindsight, when she talked it through, she realised. Actually, I don't actually want to leave him, I said, Well, I'm glad that we talked that through, so so much happens in those sessions. It's actually quite entertaining for myself to the budget. So, you know, we laugh, we cry, Um, and it like It's a lot of fun, and it's really important for me to have fun, which is why you know, I've loved a lot of, um your sessions when I've done your business coaching because you're funny, right? It's so much more enjoyable when you're having you're going through this heavy stuff and you can actually have a laugh about it as well. Yeah, Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, I really love it. It's good fun for me too. Yeah. So I'm interested in the the kind of journey that you've taken from the mindfulness into the well-being because what I've seen, I guess through the time that I've known you is that, you know, to start with, you were doing a lot more of those like the meditation, the mindfulness sessions, and as you've moved into more of the coaching and even some of the stuff that I know you do in workplaces. Your focus has kind of broadened a little, and you're still absolutely passionate about them. The mindfulness and the meditation and the mindset and all of that. But it has been, I guess, you know, it seems like it's a little bit more holistic. Yeah, and I think one of one of the reasons why it has broadened is, um I'd done half a dozen sessions for, um c SIRO. So wellness sessions online. And that was through covid. They needed something that they could give to their employers that were gonna keep them energised and make sure that they were felt like they were being cared for. And I really loved doing a lot of goal setting around their well-being, and we did some mini meditations. And then I had one of the directors ring me up and said, Dee, we're really loving your sessions. Um, We need you to do more and we want to book you in every month. And at the time I thought Shit, I've already given them everything. what am I gonna do? And I had to think about OK, so I need to come up with some more topics, and I thought about all the I I love wellness. That's tangible, right? And so I had to think about all the stuff that I'm really interested in, like other things, like kindness or how to get out of a front and find your focus or some movement challenges. So I actually had to get really creative and come up with more ideas because they were asking me for more. So that's why I, which is really lovely, Um, and so now I'm doing I feel like I've got 100 programmes, but it is all around wellness, and it's all really tangible. Um, and I I want it to be tangible because I want people to not just be inspired, but implement this stuff, you know? Yeah, and I think that's one of the things that I've really enjoyed about your work as well, is that it covers some of those topics that I think, when taught by other people, could be seen as being a little bit airy. fairy or, you know, like, head in the clouds. Yeah, that kind of fluffy. Whereas you kind of bring it down into reality. And it's like, how do I actually implement this in my day to day life? Yeah. And because I mean, I used to go to all these, um, personal development talks and people would be up on stage and they'd be telling us what? What was the idea. It was, um tell them what to do. But don't tell them how to do it, right? Remember that when I was selling from the stage and they'd talk to you for hours and then and I was like, Well, what do I actually do? You know, and and I just thought, Give me something. Give me something tangible that I can do straight away. Don't tell my aunt. Have to buy a $25,000 course just to make some change. um and so it was really important for me to when I'm putting on something, whether it be free or paid, that I give some really tangible stuff that people can implement straight away. And I'm really passionate about that because I used to walk away from a lot of talks feeling really pissed off and sold to, and that's not inspiring. Not not at all. Yeah. So to to give an example of this, I guess I remember attending one of your classes and then at the end, being given a temporary tattoo that was of a little symbol. And that was a like, quite a tangible reminder. Could you tell us a little bit about that? Um, so I can't even remember how I came up with that idea. So, so the idea was after people leave the meditation class, I gave them this tangible tattoo, and it was like a symbol that represented a little technique called ground and breathe. So it was a triangle, which is about, uh, which is an air symbol about breathing and then a line underneath it, which meant ground. And every time they looked at this tattoo, I wanted them to be reminded of ground and breathe. So you feel your feet on the ground? and then you just take a few gentle breaths and it can be hard to. We all need reminders, right? So if they have this temporary tattoo and then from there, um, for, you know, two weeks, they're gonna be able to implement that and remember it. And I've even had I heard, um, messages come back saying, um, I nearly lost my shit at work the other day, and I looked down and I saw the tattoo and I remembered to ground and breathe. And then one day I was handing out these tattoos and a lady put her arm out in front of me, and she said, No, actually, I got that tattooed last month, and I was like, Are you serious? I don't even have that tattoo. Yeah, the design a little bit, but she loved it so much that she thought No, I'm Yeah, I'm gonna keep this. So that was fantastic. And so cool how you know, it seems so simple at face value, But if you actually implement it, it can have such a huge impact. Yeah, and it, you know, the stuff that I'm teaching, uh, I don't feel like it's rocket science. I think it's really the basics. And it's it's small stuff done consistently. Um, but yeah, we do need some reminders. So I'm constantly sending text messages and reminders to to people, just just to remember that really, That small stuff. So you touched on. I guess, as part of your journey, you've fought cancer. I mean, I don't know what gets more brave than that. Um, but in your business, I know that you have done loads of incredibly brave things. What does that idea of being brave in business actually mean to you? Uh, well, I guess being brave, it's, uh it's taking risks. And, you know, I was reflecting on this and I was thinking, Oh, you know, I'm so risk averse. You know, I'm scared. I'm scared of risk. But If I think about what I have done, I've actually taken a lot of risks. So one of the bravest things that I have done in business, now, since I've been doing this for a long time um, I remember leaving a workplace and hiring my first office Now. I was living in Melbourne at the time, and I hired an office in to now is one of the most expensive suburbs in Melbourne. Right? And I remember the first week sitting in my office and I think I had two or three clients that week. and I thought, What the hell have I done? So that was that was probably the most scariest thing I've done. Um, And then I ended up at that place for about three months. And then I spoke to another friend who he had his own office in South Yarra the next, the next suburb over. And he I was chatting to him and he said, Dear, what are you doing Paying that much money? I'll subletting one of my offices. And so I ended up shifting in the middle of the night. and I I think I was I ended up paying, like, uh, less than half the rent, you know? And he ended up becoming a really good mentor and a weekly client. The same guy that I rented the space from, so, you know, it was really scary. But one of the best things I did, Yeah. And how great that, you know, even the way that you've described that story is it's like, you can already see the learning in that. Yeah. Yeah. And and it all worked out. You know, there's nothing, And and now when I get this this rush of Oh, my God, what have I done? It's like, OK, yeah, I've been here before. Yeah, yeah, that's OK. I've just It's just gonna be uncomfortable and scary, but I know I'll be OK. Yeah, absolutely. And I like that really resonates with me because I know that I've had so many of those moments where, like, what the hell have I done? And you're You're good at taking risks. So you've had lots of those moments. I'm sure I, um I I I do take a lot of risk. I do experience that feeling quite regularly. And you're ok, right? Like, yeah. And I think, like the beautiful thing about it, Like, you know, no matter what happens, everything always turns out. Yeah, And I, and that's I I think that's what led me to mindfulness or one of the biggest gifts that I got from the mindfulness practise is because it brings me back to right now. And right now I'm just having a great chat with you. Everything's OK. And you know, if someone's listening to this online now, like on podcast, you might be driving along just enjoying a conversation and trying to get some nuggets out of it, you know, and mindfulness always brings me back to right now. And one of I had a A situation where I went through a lot of grief. Um, I had miscarriage and I didn't know, and it was probably for me. It was worse than having cancer, and so I You know, it was a really tricky patch. It was a hard one for me to come out of, Um, and I remember the day, um, I just you know, it was a few weeks that passed and I'm sitting at the beach and I'm sitting there reading the paper. I'm looking out at the surf and my husband's surfing and and I just sat there and I thought, You know what? Right now and then I just followed the conversation in my head right now I'm sitting at the beach and reading the paper. I'm a giant coffee, and I'll OK, And I used that phrase for a whole year, and it helped me with that breathing process. And it was just a practise bringing myself right back to now, and I just I just every now and then it popped into my head right now. And then I'd just say in my head what I was doing at the time, and it was a real game changer. And then that actually led me to doing my mindfulness training. so Yeah, mindfulness. I always just I keep coming back to it, and it's really it really helps. Thank you for sharing that. And I'm I'm really sorry to be that you've had that experience once again, though, I'm really grateful for the way that you're able to share something that at at face value is so simple. But implement, you know, has been, as you said, like, so impactful in helping you to actually move through what would be one of the most difficult times of your life. Yeah. And I mean people. People think that it's interesting I've had cancer, right? And and that's a big deal. but so may Um, you know, cancer. I had read so much about cancer. I had done oncology massage. I had I'm fascinated by radical remissions, and it was one of those things that I just knew that I would get through, right? And it was a physical pain that I could endure and and I got through it. But for me, the emotional pain of losing a baby and not just losing a baby, but losing a dream that I'd had for 10 years. That was huge. Um, and just on the scale of things for me and yeah, it's different for everyone, and I know that some people are really dragged through cancer and dragged through other things, and that's hard. But for me, losing a child was the worst thing I've been through. Um, but at the same time, once I moved through that I had so many beautiful lessons, and one of the biggest lessons that I had was, um, they brought a, um I was in the hospital and they brought a professional in to help me, um, grieve or go through what I had just gone through. And, um and it wasn't really helpful at the time. Yeah, One of the things she said was just breathe. And I thought, How the fuck is that gonna help you? And I won't say that now to anyone, and and I even my husband said, What the how the fuck is that gonna help you just breathe in? We already fucking breathing light. And then then that night, I had this, uh, nurse come in and she would have been in her late sixties. and she came. She was just chatting to me and She just She looked me in the eyes, and she was just she just had this presence about her. And she told me that, um, you know, she was really empathetic and and she was even She welled up when she was talking to me, and she said, I just want to let you know that, um, I've been where you are. and I lost a baby, too. And then I've gone on to have three beautiful sons. and I I can't even remember the the the words or the more detail of what she said. But what I do remember is the compassion and empathy that she had. um, and what that meant to me. And and it also made me realise that it doesn't matter what skill set you've got, who you are, whether you're the doctor or whatever. You are a friend. If you can just give someone that compassion and empathy that can totally change things. Um, so, you know, the biggest lesson I like from that is compassion and empathy. And, you know, I take that into every session now, So the worst thing that happened to me was a gift that I can now give to other people because I've experienced that, Do you think that having experienced trauma changes the way that you look at bravery or risk taking within your business, um Never really thought about it. Um, like that it kind of, um I Yeah, maybe it does. Maybe, you know, thinking about that makes me contemplate taking more risks. I don't know. I've not I've not I've not really explored that before. What about you? Well, I I'm quite interested because it's not a topic that's come up here on the podcast before, and it's not something that I've necessarily thought about a lot myself. But I I do wonder, um, I know for me a lot of my risk taking or brave, like phrase behaviour comes, uh, you know, in alignment with my a DH d. But I guess there is the part of me that knows that because I have experienced trauma that there's there's no risk that I could take today in my business, there's nothing that I could do that. would ever impact me as as much or as negatively as anything that I've already been through. And so there's almost that, like, feeling of, uh, you know, I've already been through that. So you know, like, if I can get through that, I can deal with anything. So it kind of simplifies maybe some of the things for me in the business, because I think, Yeah, OK, like, it might turn out to be a, you know, in quotation marks failure. But it's never going to cause me the pain or angst or suffering that that that, you know, events in my past have I don't know. I guess it's, um it it's built resilience, right? Like from what you've been through, you're so resilient, like you. You develop so much resilience because you've had to and and so, yeah, I guess it brings wisdom. yeah, wisdom and resilience. Mm. It's an interesting take, but yeah, thank you for sharing your stories. Because You know, that isn't something that's come up here before, and I do think it's worth, you know, taking the time to maybe ponder that a little bit more in the future. Yeah, and yeah, I mean, I didn't expect to be talking about this either, so I don't even know how he got here. You never know going down all the rubber else, Do they be OK? I'm with you. So I guess you've, you know, you've shared with us some really, You know, intense experiences. I guess you know, things that have happened in your life. Um, I wonder if you've had any, Anything go wrong inside of your business? You know, has there been any failures or anything that's not gone to plan? And if there has, you know, how did you overcome it? Did you use the same kind of techniques that you've already talked about, or was there something else that helps you move through it? Well, in terms of things going wrong, I guess you know, it's a bit difficult to run a meditation class when you've got a virus going around the world. Yeah. Um, so that that put a bit of a halt to that. Um, so But, you know, at the time, we all thought it was only gonna be one year, right? Yeah. And I thought, OK is what it is. Can't do anything. But everyone starts showing up on live insta and Facebook. And I thought, OK, well, everyone else is doing this. I suppose I better get on to this as well. And then I saw, like, how do like, how do I actually charge for this? And I thought I didn't feel comfortable charging for meditation online at the time. But I knew that I needed to do something in my business. And I thought, Well, if I can at least stay visible, people will remember me next year when we're out of this. So one of the things that I did was I did, um, Friday night wine full. And so every Friday night at eight PM I went live, and I always got nervous before I went. before I went on and because I was still getting used to the whole, you know, taking selfies of yourself to go live like you can't you can't make a mistake. Well, I thought and then I realised that it's OK. Everyone makes mistakes and people just laugh and that's OK. Um and so yeah, So I went live and I was on for half an hour and I said, Um, You know, this is where, um you enjoy a 15 minute meditation, and I enjoy a glass of red. Um, and, um, I had 400 people in a private Facebook group that joined that from seven different countries. And what I loved about it was that it got me scared every Friday night, which meant that you know, I said OK, well, if I'm scared, this is a good thing because I'm getting out of my comfort zone. I'm being brave, right? Um, and I also got to connect with people that I had worked overseas. I'd worked in London in the Middle East, um, in New Zealand, and I I started to really look forward to it. yeah, and so that's what I ended up doing for quite a few months. And, um and then I got brave again and started charging. So some online programmes. So some coaching and well-being stuff. So, um yeah, that's that's what I ended up doing, um, staying visible. That that was my only goal just to stay visible. Yeah, It's really cool. And I think one of the things that you mentioned was that, you know, you kind of looked forward to that Friday session because of the fact that it made you nervous and that you knew that it was really pushing you outside of your comfort zone. Why do you think that's so important? Like, why do you think that we need to step outside of our comfort zone? Well, well, you just know that you're growing right? Probably the worst things are a bit boring. And vanilla? And I just think, uh, whenever I've done something which is equal parts scary and equal parts exciting, it's always been a positive thing. And so now I like, I know that every time I do a live or I'm doing a talk or a class, I always get that feeling like it's that exciting and scary. And then I know that I'm actually doing a good thing because it's getting me out of my comfort zone, and I need to get out of my comfort zone to grow. Uh mm. Yeah, I I like that. And I think whenever I think about that growth or that, like stepping outside of my comfort zone, it's like opportunities. Yeah, I just think about what opportunities are gonna be available as a result of this And, I think that when we keep ourselves so and sort of stop ourselves from taking those risks, we miss out on a lot of opportunities. Yeah, and I've had lots of opportunities that I didn't expect. so, you know, people that were attending like online wine, full sessions. I had known him for 15, 20 years. And then next minute they've got me doing workplace corporate online for their staff members. and so there's something that just started out being just let's just be visible that it actually became really quite lucrative yeah. So the opportunities are there, you know, and we do. We just have to get out of that CPET zone. It's it's feels yuck, but it's kind of you just have to and it it actually makes me think of, uh, quite a actually, it was quite a negative interaction that I had with a certain person. Um, they were quite angry and upset with me at a point in time. because of the fact that I was getting opportunities that they weren't getting. And it was, There was a lot of frustration coming from them around the fact that they hadn't been asked to do a lot of the things that I was doing, and You know, in that moment, I I remember what I said to her, and it was like, If you think that I'm sitting around on my ass waiting for people to ask me to do shit, then you are clearly mistaken. You know, like, I get the opportunities because of the fact that I actually reach out for them. And you know that is available to you too. But you know, nothing will come to you if you're just gonna sit there. And No-one's gonna knock on your door. No. Absolutely not. Yeah. So what advice would you give to other business owners who are being held back by senior and they're not going after their dreams. You have to get uncomfortable. And I know you've You've You've made me feel uncomfortable on many occasions. Beck. Well, we've had many chats. Thank you. and I've gone Oh, really? Do I have to? Because, you know, I I'm good at the wellness stuff, right? That's That's my jam. I love it. I talk about it. I google that shit at night. But when it comes to the business side of things, um, you know, that's uncomfortable for me. It, you know, it just comes back to you know, what we've just been talking about is, you know, and I'm I'm not gonna give any advice to anyone else. I'm gonna give it to myself right now. I need to get uncomfortable more in my business. Totally, Totally. Yeah. And there's the other areas that, um you know, like we're all good at different things, right? And so I need help as well in different areas. And, you know, you make me get uncomfortable from time to time and I don't like that. But I know I have a lot of fun doing it. It's scary, and it's, it's exciting, I guess um, and you? Yeah, it's really uncomfortable. But I know that I have to just It's just a feeling, right. Just gotta move through it. It's just a feeling. It's only temporary, but this is this advice is not for anyone else. This is just me. Make different resonates with someone else. Fantastic. But I'm having my own coaching session right now to me, right? Love it. Love it. Yes, thanks. Thank you. Um, so I am absolutely thrilled and really grateful that you're gonna be speaking at the upcoming popular business conference. I would love to know what you are most excited about. OK, Well, I'm most excited about being in a room with a whole bunch of people that I've been following online for the last few years and just to be in their energy. Um, you know, I love all the people that you've got lined up, and I listen to all their podcasts and all their reels and I love the fact that it's it's really tangible and a lot of the stuff that I can apply straight away, Um, and just connecting with, um, some people that are doing some really cool stuff that I can continue to keep learning from. So that's that's what I'm most excited about. But also too, I'm I'm looking forward to presenting as well and trying to pack in as much value and tangible stuff as I possibly can in a short amount of time. Mm, absolutely. And I'm very much looking forward to it. So you are our first presenter on the Saturday morning and I know that it's going to be such a beautiful way to kick off our second day of the conference with a bit of mindfulness, a bit of well-being, a bit of whatever else you feel like dishing out on the day. Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to it. And I'm sure that, um I'll be feeling it popped up and inspired from the day before, so I'm gonna be buzzing. Excellent. I like me teachers. Yes, totally. Totally. So, aside from speaking at the conference, what else have you got coming up in your business? What would you like to tell the audience about, um, well, probably depending on what time? What? You know when you're listening to this, the things that happen regularly, if you're in person, is my walking coaching sessions that happens all the time and then twice a term a school term, because I'm a mull, right? Twice a term, I run a four week programme called Meditation Mojo, and so for four weeks we do basically a meditation class and a coaching session online So I keep you accountable for your well-being for four weeks. So you can, you know, get back on the wagon and help manage your energy. Yeah. Excellent. So, walking coaching sessions here in Canberra in Australia. But online, the meditation and mojo. Yeah, absolutely. That sounds great. And so where can people find you? So they want to find out more about what you're doing. Uh, my business is called sink out loud and so you can find that on Facebook. Under think Outland or over on instagram. It's think out loud. Wellness. Amazing. That's fantastic. I know that there'll be a lot of people who are ducking across to give you a follow. And we will, of course, include your links in the show notes as well. Thank you so much for being here today. This has been such a wonderful conversation, and I just really appreciate and I'm so grateful for the wisdom that you've shared but also your beautiful vulnerability today. And I just know that there is going to be someone out there who needed to hear exactly what you have shared with us today. So thank you so much. Thanks, Beck. And thanks for the unofficial coaching session. You're so welcome. Any time. Thanks so much for listening to this. Episode of the Braden Business podcast. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button. Leave me a rating. Although five stars, preferably please, and a review. You can also join me over on socials at Pop your beers. If you've got a topic you'd love me to address here on the pod, be sure to send me AD m. And I'll see you in the next episode