This episode features the Sociologist Ruy Braga and the performance artist Jonatas Campelo as they discuss their points of view on artisticproduction in the Brazilian peripheries of São Paulo and Salvador da Bahia, respectively. This conversation moderated by Dr. Jamie Lee Andreson occurred in person at the Pennsylvania State University in January 2023, when Dr. Ruy Braga was in residence as a visiting professor. The topics discussed include the making of peripheral identities, the urban peripheries as the centers of Brazilian cultural production, and the long-standing challenges for popularartists to secure the rights and resources they need to produce given a strict state bureaucracy.