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114. Sleezy marketing tactics, sales asking for more money mid sale, being decisive

114. Sleezy marketing tactics, sales asking for more money mid sale, being decisive

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114. Sleezy marketing tactics, sales asking for more money mid sale, being decisive

114. Sleezy marketing tactics, sales asking for more money mid sale, being decisive

114. Sleezy marketing tactics, sales asking for more money mid sale, being decisive

114. Sleezy marketing tactics, sales asking for more money mid sale, being decisive

Sunday, 28th April 2024
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0:32

Well , today hasn't really gone my way . Yeah

0:35

, I just started working with a marketing agency

0:37

and my team has

0:39

been going through the sales training They've been doing pretty

0:41

well and just learning

0:43

nine-step sales process how to work with leads

0:46

. And I've hired an

0:48

agency to basically create ads

0:50

, book the appointments , and all my team has

0:52

to do is focus on closing those dates that come

0:54

in . And

1:01

I'm frustrated because when I met with the sales reps from the agency , like , yeah , we'll get you

1:03

lots of appointments , lots of leads , we'll schedule them and your team folks close it . They're great

1:05

, sounds awesome . I really like you guys because

1:07

I once wanted to do the follow-up , the scheduling

1:10

and the confirmation of showing

1:12

to the appointment . To me that's the biggest value . I

1:14

don't have my team chasing leads that

1:17

pop up on Facebook because anyone can

1:19

put up a trash lead , say it's a contact

1:21

, but the real work is getting someone to

1:23

show up to an appointment , and so that

1:25

was the value that I saw . And so

1:27

they're like yeah , sounds good . One thing that requires

1:30

your team goes through sales training to get

1:32

everything ready . So

1:41

I'm like'm okay , that makes sense because you're going through these trainings . The first five

1:43

training sessions , the first day is like all right , so we're going to talk about free

1:45

and people ask if the program is free . How you say no without saying no and you really

1:47

they roll that c into the

1:49

membership . It's like wait , what are

1:51

you talking about ? And so I want I've got

1:53

through the training for like a week and a half at this point

1:56

, so I want to see all the , the whole

1:58

program . It's probably silver . And basically

2:00

what they do is they put up a facebook ad that

2:02

says , hey , how about attend a free

2:04

six weeks challenge for a gym ? And

2:07

you get it for free . And then when people come

2:09

in like , wait , it's free , I can't wait to sign up . And

2:12

then it turns out what happens is you

2:14

have to do pay 500 up front . You

2:17

do the six-week challenge . It's like , hey , you

2:19

passed the challenge , now we're going to roll that 500

2:22

into an annual membership . That's

2:24

now 50 a month . You get a free

2:26

or whatever , or whatever

2:28

the program is , you now get that as a credit

2:30

to your membership . So it's

2:33

total bs , like's not even real

2:35

. You don't get a free challenge , you

2:37

just get it . You're like store

2:39

credit , it's all it is and

2:41

you've already . You pay $500 to

2:43

get a $500 store credit , which

2:45

is garbage . That's just . That's such

2:47

bait and switch BS . And

2:50

so I emailed back the when I finally

2:52

put the pieces together and figured out what the heck is

2:54

going on , emailed back to my account and said

2:56

, hey , uh , I

2:58

can name josh . You know what's going

3:01

on . Uh , my , we

3:03

sell 180 a month package

3:05

. We're working with high-end clients . People

3:07

pay almost two thousand dollars a year to work

3:09

at the studio . I'm not throwing on the worst

3:11

free , because when they see free , they

3:13

, these are very smart , very intellectual

3:16

people . I'm not playing games here . What

3:19

other marketing programs can we do ? Because

3:21

this is not going to fly ? And he's

3:23

like , oh yeah , well , we do the free ads because

3:26

it does two things you lose 20 pounds

3:28

or you lose 7.5% body fat and

3:30

then you roll it in so that you can change as many lives

3:32

as possible . I'll be doing great . Wait

3:35

, no , I don't need 100,000

3:38

leads . I

3:40

need 30 new members a

3:43

month or whatever . I still haven't

3:45

figured out what that number is , but 30 members a month . I

3:47

don't need 100,000 people walking into my

3:49

scene to close 5% of

3:51

these leads . I need people that are serious

3:54

. They know who we are , what we are . I'm people that are serious . They know who

3:56

we are , what we offer , and I don't even know if this agency

3:58

even knows that there were a boutique studio

4:01

that offers a premium product . They know

4:03

it many times over . So I'm

4:07

set up I still need that lead and

4:09

what I'm doing , I'm going to take ownership of

4:11

it and I'm re-looking at the contract and

4:14

basically , if in the first 30 days you're

4:17

going to part ways , you lose your

4:19

$1,000 . Or if you have to do like

4:21

a cancellation without notice afterwards

4:23

it's a $2,000 cancellation fee . And

4:25

so I think about the spot where I

4:28

want that . What I want is I want someone who can

4:30

make sure any leads that are generated whether

4:32

it's in-house or external , any leads that are generated

4:34

, whether it's in-house or external that someone is working way

4:38

cheaper than what my managers are making to

4:40

get these people into the office . And so I'm

4:43

ticked off at myself because I didn't think about

4:45

what kind of sales tactics

4:47

are out there and what folks could be doing that

4:50

will cheapen the brand and cheapen the experience

4:52

and play these sales sleazy

4:55

games to try to just get

4:57

a few more people in the door and I pay more . Now

5:00

a point in the world and

5:03

I'm just annoyed at anything that

5:05

may work in like the cheapo gym

5:07

world , but I don't know

5:10

work with integrity and really honor my members

5:12

, honor my staff and have a straight

5:14

, straightforward conversations . And maybe

5:16

that's not the industry . I could be wrong , maybe I'm

5:18

reading too much into codes

5:20

of conduct , but I think it's just a really so

5:23

. Part of this reminds me when I was in high school . There's some ad in . I think

5:25

it's just a really Part of this reminds me of when I was in high school

5:27

. There's some ad in the paper . It's like hey

5:29

, hot dog eating contest , use

5:31

any hot dogs and win prizes . I'm like , okay

5:33

, cool , I drive like a half an hour

5:35

. I show up at what

5:37

was it ? Some Chevy

5:40

dealership in Lakeville , minnesota . I

5:42

show up and there's some kid being in this hot dog station

5:45

and I was just like they're like a Nathan's

5:47

hot dog competition thing and it's just like a

5:49

kid with a hot dog stand inside the dealership

5:51

. So I go okay , how does this work ? He said

5:53

well , you're going to eat hot dogs in like 15

5:56

minutes . Well , okay , cool , I'm

6:02

here to win the car mats if you can eat

6:04

like five hot dogs . But you only

6:07

get the car mats when you buy a car , I

6:09

was like , wait what ? They get it in the fine

6:11

print . In the fine print that's

6:14

you know six inches tall talking

6:16

about API rates , money

6:18

down , muscle living , win

6:21

a lottery ticket . Inside all that fine

6:23

print it says prize their . Only he wanted to win a lottery to get inside all that fine

6:25

print that says prizes are only valid when a

6:28

new car is purchased . So

6:30

I'm mad at myself because I

6:33

believe the best in people . I believe people

6:35

don't want to do these weird marketing

6:38

tactics and games . They

6:40

say what they mean , they mean what they say . And

6:42

so this whole thing of yeah , it's a free gym

6:44

membership , in the sense that you pay us $500

6:46

, then you get a free $500 . You

6:48

got a free $500 because it's now going to roll

6:50

into your annual member , like that

6:53

reminds me of the car dealership

6:55

in the hot dogs the little chubby

6:57

kid trying to get me to buy

6:59

a car . He was probably 10 years

7:01

old anyways , and there was no way he was even allowed

7:03

to work there . He was probably some guy's kid or

7:05

whatever . But

7:10

anyhow , all I have to say I'm tired

7:12

, I'm pissed off at this market looming in the way of people trying to twist people into

7:14

getting memberships to pay out money to try

7:17

to buy another product , to

7:19

make a couple of bucks and to ruin an industry

7:21

reputation . The gym and health and

7:23

fitness industry is reputable . It's

7:25

high standard . It needs to have good

7:27

people in it , the folks that weren't saying they

7:30

need to do garbage market

7:32

. They don't know how to run good campaigns

7:34

and they get good traffic . They're

7:36

resorting to low-level black mat tap . That

7:40

takes me out . I'm out . That's

7:43

where I'm at . On top of that

7:45

, a guy who's been doing some sales . We're

7:48

working some leads . I'm paying $200 a day which

7:50

feels like a lot of money into some campaigns

7:53

to try to get fresh blood . In Virgin he

7:55

looked like Dodger food , all these

7:57

different things , and in the middle of the day there's two

7:59

leads that haven't been touched . So

8:02

I'm asking the rep like hey , are we working

8:04

these ? And then he's well , I

8:07

was ready to send it and then he emailed me randomly out of the blue first Like

8:09

hey , man , I know this is commission

8:12

only , but this is a lot of risk for

8:14

me , you know . Can I have a guaranteed draw

8:16

out of this ? Yes

8:19

, we'll make sure . Like I've

8:21

told you , like I

8:25

threw out a , an estimate , you said yes , I'll make sure you're good , but like we're in the middle

8:27

of a marketing campaign here right now doing

8:30

a crazy good giveaway

8:32

, so they've been normally charged 500

8:34

. We're now doing 379 and

8:36

like it's it's a killer deal . And

8:39

he's my

8:41

one , like part-time sales rep who

8:44

is going to be ditching me anyway

8:46

a few months , is now asking for I

8:48

guarantee you know it's not even much . Like it's

8:50

1500 for two weeks , but

8:53

just the mentality that I

8:57

know they don't know me , the staff don't know me , sales

8:59

guy doesn't know me , the marketing guy doesn't know me . Nobody

9:02

knows my background . They don't know my how I handle

9:04

myself . They don't know that I'm gonna be good

9:06

to my word . It just annoys me , though

9:08

, that in the middle of like a sales

9:10

blitz , we've got like 10 days to

9:12

do something here that people are asking

9:14

for like guarantees on their money . We'll

9:18

make sure it's good . Like can

9:20

we not look sideways ? We're trying to look forward

9:22

, and that was

9:25

just more agonizing . No one doesn't take me off , it's

9:28

just annoying . Man , like I don't mind asking

9:30

for a race , you know , we'll talk about it , we'll

9:32

figure it out , we'll make sure everyone's good , but

9:35

like , not in the middle of a game , do you

9:37

negotiate your nsl contract when it's

9:39

the second quarter , like , hey , bro , I

9:41

want a signing bonus . I forgot about my signing

9:43

bonus before I signed . Like , get

9:45

back in the game , go play football

9:47

, go win us a game and yeah , we'll

9:49

probably have a little bit more dough for your signing

9:51

bonus . Like for real , like we talk

9:54

and negotiate , or not , in the

9:56

middle of a blitz play here right now

9:58

. So I said that

10:01

and at the top of the day job I'm

10:03

mentally distracted . I'm working my day job

10:06

, I'm getting stuck in some data things

10:08

, so that's a little bit rough . I don't

10:10

want to work another late day , but thanks

10:12

for my wife . Like , hey , sorry it's a

10:14

long day , I gotta work late so I can

10:16

keep up with my , my W2

10:18

demand . There's

10:21

a lot , but

10:23

I don't know . I'm just venting to the world right now with

10:25

my earbuds . Is my phone still recording ? Okay

10:28

, good , that was a good 10 minute rant . I

10:31

didn't want to lose any of that . I

10:35

just want people to be focused on the longevity , the

10:37

long term things , the big things

10:39

, and not get tripped

10:41

up over nickels . What is it ? Tripping

10:44

over dollars just to save a nickel ? Something like

10:46

that ? Like , yes , we'll make sure

10:48

you get paid , we'll make sure I do

10:50

good on this . I don't know , I don't

10:52

have a perfect answer . Maybe I need to have a good answer

10:54

because I'm the boss and I need to have an answer . I

10:56

know , right now I'm trying to

10:59

keep my day job . I'm trying to

11:01

get more leads so we can get more members

11:03

, and I realize I have to fire

11:05

a marketing agency doing sleazy tactics . And

11:08

people are like hey , give a quick call , quick call , quick call

11:10

. What about ? What do we have to talk

11:12

about ? It's like oh , we need to do a pre-call

11:15

to your actual call within another marketing

11:17

agency . Like no , this

11:22

does nothing to further my If I'm not going to make revenue off this fall

11:24

or I'm not going to be well , sort of

11:26

figuring out how you're going to help me with my gym no , we're

11:28

not going to do that . I don't have time for a quick chat

11:31

. No , I'm not going to show you how my day is going

11:33

. No , no , no , no , no , no , no . So

11:36

how is it just that you ignore people

11:38

and say no , I'm . This

11:43

is probably the most interesting episode out of all

11:45

of them . I'm probably the most frazzled

11:47

, wound up , picking

11:50

leaves , kind of pissy at the whole day and

11:52

just realizing like this is this

11:55

is a good day , this is a good life , it's just been

11:57

a rough end . So I

11:59

have a finalist ace . I'm just going

12:01

to go crush it at the WSU and

12:04

oh no , here's a win here

12:10

at the WSU . And oh no , here's a win , here's a win , here's a

12:12

silver lining . There's always a win . Um , our one of the part-time managers , um , she

12:14

has just a lot going on . So she , we're amicably agreeing , like hey

12:16

, thanks for helping out , thanks for like being available

12:18

to like open and close the door . And grief

12:21

, member , is your great person . Time's

12:23

just a little busy right now for a good arranging . So , um

12:26

, my manager said like , hey , can we go find a new

12:28

hire ? Said , yeah , like you know , the

12:31

guy worked , guy run by you

12:33

, you know you talk to make sure they're gonna pass my

12:35

stuff , that's . But yeah , this is someone you want to work

12:37

with . Let's rock and roll . And so I

12:39

think I know who that's going to be . She reached out to someone

12:41

happened to be another member that I've been

12:43

like , I friended like a week ago

12:45

because they were pretty cool , and it sounds

12:47

like we'll be interviewing a

12:49

new part-time manager to replace manager

12:52

number three . So that was good

12:54

. I'm really excited about that one . They

12:57

want to get into HR long term and

12:59

so like , hey , what's your business like ? Let

13:01

me tell you the business plan . We're

13:03

going to be going here . We're going to be acquiring this

13:06

. We're going to be going here , we're going to be acquiring

13:08

this , we're going to be opening that and get first and mostly into HR . So it would be

13:10

nice to have an HR person for the umbrella

13:13

company , not just for the

13:15

first location or the second location , but for the

13:17

whole operation , to make sure we're

13:19

HR . Good to go , as anything . That

13:22

was a good win . Talked to the accountant

13:24

, we double-checked payroll

13:26

. The bank accountant's good . Good to go . We're doing our

13:28

third payroll run today . So kind

13:31

of weird . I'll

13:33

look for the . You know how I've

13:35

done this . It was a

13:37

scary the pat of these . But don't

13:41

want to get the revenue . I was having only revenue , yet

13:43

still

13:45

working on the equity injection on

13:47

the app from closing and then

13:49

any like drawback , whatever . It's

13:53

plenty of money , it's all good . We're

13:55

not . We're not going to die . We're not going to

13:57

call up a green card and start

13:59

racking up debt . Thinking

14:05

what I'm really looking . You know what I'm looking

14:07

forward to . I'm looking forward to

14:09

getting that second location finally

14:12

unleashing all these episodes uh

14:14

, because if you guys have made it this far , we're like what

14:17

? 115 , 110 episodes in

14:19

this ? Uh , finally watching this

14:21

thing . Guys , I need to be surrounded by more business

14:24

owners that are dealing with the little things

14:26

and the big things right now , because I don't know who to talk

14:28

to . Or I'm having a day like my house

14:30

got shut down . This marketing agency suck

14:33

. This employee doesn't need for a race and

14:35

no , they don't deserve a race . Or like the sales

14:37

rep is wanting to change

14:39

their comp structure halfway through our marketing campaign

14:41

, or how the heck am I gonna

14:43

? Um , I don't

14:46

know , let's just think top of mind . I don't want

14:48

people to bounce at the other round . Maybe , just maybe

14:50

, I should just start my own mastermind and charge people for

14:52

it and make a fortune . I don't know , um

14:55

, but with the second studio , annually

14:58

the parent company will do a little over a million in

15:00

revenue . So being able to have

15:02

that that golden seven figure

15:05

business owner stupid label , but a lot of a lot of organizations that golden

15:07

seven figure business owner Stupid label , but a lot of a

15:09

lot of organizations need you to have

15:12

million net gross revenue

15:15

to join any sort of like entrepreneurial

15:17

owner love

15:19

mastermind . So

15:21

I think that max of seven numbers I'll

15:24

be up in it . We'll be

15:27

ready for that one At this point . January

15:29

cannot come past , so

15:31

we'll see . We'll keep these plugging

15:33

away and tonight

15:37

we're going to just plug away the W2 , one

15:39

thing at a time . I'm

15:41

really thinking faster at firing quick answers

15:43

, thinking things through and

15:46

not being so formal and just acknowledging

15:48

yep , this has to happen , this has to happen . Sign

15:50

this . I don't say this , it's part of the budget

15:52

. Yes , not anything . Quite , get it

15:54

done , let's move . And

15:56

I don't

15:59

know , I'm feeling the value in having the right people in

16:01

the right places , more than nickel

16:04

and diming things . Yeah

16:12

, it's just annoying man . So hey , y'all , this is kind

16:14

of event episode , but really , who's a part of the five club vision

16:16

? Um , and that's just the current vision . But

16:18

who's gonna be here for the five clubs ? Who's

16:20

gonna get to three clubs ? Who's gonna have something

16:22

scalable and value adding

16:25

to the variant ? And I , the end

16:27

of the day , like , no , you're going to hold back the brand , you're

16:29

going to do these flea , these high six , you're

16:31

going to try to change comp plans in the middle

16:33

. No , like , this is not going to fly . This

16:35

this works now , sure , yes , we will do

16:38

something today . We'll write you a check , but

16:40

I'm also going to write you a check and kick you out the door because

16:42

this is not going to fly long term . So , nice

16:45

person , I like you partying

16:47

his friend . So yeah , and that's

16:49

the way I'm going to phrase it . So , not

16:51

making enemies , not burning bridges . But

16:53

no , you're not going to get people , are not going to get invited

16:55

. So the next go around the heck party

16:57

that there's weird games

17:00

along the way . It's just annoying . It's not

17:02

the right way to do it . And if there's

17:04

a problem , then let's address it head on

17:06

, up , up front . And I don't

17:08

know . Sales guy is good . I may keep him for

17:10

longer , I'm not sure . Marketing agency I

17:12

just straight up fire him . I just got

17:14

back to the house from a nice long walk . I'm going to

17:16

go in and confirm that I need them for

17:18

the booking service . No , I do not

17:20

want them running free , free , free

17:22

, not free ads . And

17:32

if they can't agree to that , we're gonna part as friends , refund everything and unwind it because that's

17:34

garbage . That's not gonna apply , that's all right , that's where I'm gonna go . I got my walk-in , had to see

17:36

the events and get the blood moving and drink probably two

17:39

nalgene's for some water , so I have

17:41

to go pee . I'm gonna go

17:44

um , I don't know I'm

17:46

next to go . I don't know I'm Metro Tree and I kick it . That's

17:50

going to hurt my foot . I'm going to go inside , go sit down , get some work done

17:52

. Thanks for listening to the event and take

17:54

action , and thanks for listening to the rant .

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