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note to listeners, this episode contains
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descriptions of violence. Please
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take care while listening.
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September nineteen ninety six,
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Toyota City Japan. Toyota's
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sixty three year old president, Hirosh Ocuda
0:24
looks up from his desk. The company's
0:27
research chief has just entered his office.
0:29
Miss Dawada, thank
0:31
you for coming. Please. sit.
0:35
Okada lets Akihirowada sit,
0:37
and then he promptly drops
0:39
the bomb. I've decided
0:42
that the Prius will launch in December nineteen
0:44
ninety Karen. Wat a staring
0:47
at Okuda's long face The
0:49
engineers creating the Prius think current
0:51
deadline of late nineteen ninety eight is
0:53
already too aggressive. Now
0:55
Okudu wants to launch the world's first
0:57
mass produced hybrid a whole
1:00
year earlier. It's done.
1:02
Wars gently pushes back. Nineteen
1:05
ninety seven may be too soon. The
1:07
team's struggling with the batteries. They're only getting
1:09
half the power they should. And
1:11
even when that's fixed, they have
1:13
to shrink the batteries to fit in a compact
1:15
car. Okudas
1:16
unmoved. The Kyoto
1:19
protocol to reduce global carbon emissions
1:21
will be adopted in December nineteen ninety
1:23
Karen. For maximum impact, we
1:25
must launch the Prius before the protocols
1:28
adopted. Suarez
1:30
says nothing.
1:31
He knows Okudas
1:33
a man in a hurry. For
1:35
years, Okudas dreamed about taking
1:37
charge, ending Toyota's cautious
1:40
culture and making it the
1:42
world's number one automaker. But
1:44
he was born with the wrong surname.
1:48
Twice, he got passed over for the
1:50
top job to clear the way for members of
1:52
the Toyota family. The
1:54
family owns just two percent of Toyota's
1:56
stock but exerts control
1:58
through a mix of tradition
1:59
and nepotism.
2:02
Okada resigned himself to never
2:04
being the boss.
2:06
But then, fate intervene. In
2:08
nineteen ninety five, Toyota
2:10
president Toyota had
2:13
a stroke. and with no other
2:15
Toyota ready to step up,
2:17
Okada finally got his chance
2:20
Lowe in life. Ocada
2:23
knows he's too old to take Toyota
2:25
to the top himself. So
2:27
he wants to do all he can
2:29
as fast as he can. to
2:31
transform the business. And
2:33
the Prius is critical to
2:35
his master plan. He
2:37
believes the car can Toyota
2:39
as an industry leader and
2:41
enliven its dull image.
2:44
It's
2:44
also a chance to out innovate
2:47
Honda. Toyota might be
2:49
twice as big, but Honda keeps
2:51
landing blows. In
2:53
Japan, Honda draws young
2:55
drivers and makes Toyota look
2:57
old and stodgy. In America,
3:00
the Accord remains ahead of Toyota's
3:02
Camry and Lexus trails
3:04
Acura. And in the compact SUV
3:07
category, the Honda CRV
3:10
now outsells the Toyota RAV
3:12
four that it mimics.
3:14
All of this infuriates Toyota.
3:17
If
3:17
Toyota can't beat Honda, how
3:20
can it possibly defeat General Motors?
3:24
Okada looks at Wars. and
3:26
breaks the silence. I know
3:28
this new deadline will be hard on the team, but
3:31
all of Toyota is behind them now.
3:33
Their budget is unlimited. Whatever
3:35
they need is theirs. In
3:38
Marshall ninety seven, Okuda
3:40
announces the Prius will
3:42
launch in Japan that year.
3:45
The announcement shocks the Prius
3:47
team who only learn about their new
3:49
deadline in the next day's newspapers
3:52
It also stuns the auto industry.
3:55
Fearful of falling behind, Honda
3:58
fast tracks the development of its
3:59
own hybrid.
4:01
There's no turning back now for
4:03
Toyota and Okudas gambling
4:06
big. The Prius's
4:08
batteries are far from ready
4:11
and Honda now closing in.
4:14
If Toyota can't find a fix soon,
4:16
the Prius might break down
4:18
before it even reaches the showrooms. but
4:22
Okoda's push for automotive glory
4:25
will also set Toyota on
4:27
a path that
4:28
will end in tragedy.
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From wondering, I'm David Brown, and this
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is Business Wars
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On
6:25
the last episode, Honda opened
6:27
the first Japanese car plant in
6:29
America. Toyota turbocharged
6:31
a former GM plant in
6:33
Fremont, California. and
6:35
the two Japanese rivals entered the
6:37
luxury car market. Now,
6:41
out to shut Honda aside
6:43
and become the world's biggest
6:46
automaker. This
6:48
is episode four, a
6:51
fight for the future.
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SUMMER, nineteen ninety seven. Susoto,
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Japan, fifty miles west of
7:06
Yokohama. Inside
7:08
Toyota's technical center, technicians
7:11
wearing cover alts appear under the hood of
7:13
a prototype Prius. The
7:15
Prius is weeks away from entering production,
7:17
but its batteries are still
7:19
causing headaches. Yesterday,
7:22
they overheated on a test drive
7:24
leaving a team member stranded in the
7:26
mountains. But before the
7:28
technicians can adjust the cooling system,
7:31
there's an interruption.
7:35
The technicians look up in almost
7:37
gas standing next
7:39
to their boss. is Toyota
7:41
president, Hiroshi Okuda.
7:44
Okuda stalks over to the Prius.
7:47
So this is the car I've staked
7:49
Toyota's reputation on. Okta
7:52
calls to the team boss. Mister
7:54
Lewy, I'd like to take the Prius
7:57
for a drive. One of the
7:59
technicians whispers
7:59
to mister Fuji. You
8:01
must put him off. We can't let him drive
8:03
it in this condition. Mister
8:06
maintains his smile. What
8:08
choice is there? How can I tell him no?
8:11
Mister Fuji hands over the keys.
8:14
Okta opens the driver's door and
8:17
pauses. Mister
8:18
Fuji, join me for the ride.
8:20
That way
8:20
you can answer any questions I have.
8:24
Moments later, Okuda drives
8:27
away with mister Fujie in the passenger's
8:29
seat, looking worried. The
8:32
technicians wait for the rescue
8:34
call, but it
8:35
never comes. Instead,
8:38
the Prius returns unscaled.
8:42
Okuda exits the
8:44
car grinning from ear to
8:46
ear. Very impressive.
8:48
You
8:49
know, one day everyone will drive
8:51
cars just like this. Soon
8:54
after, the team tames
8:56
the batteries And in December nineteen
8:58
ninety seven, the world's
9:00
first mass produced hybrid goes
9:02
on sale in Japan. The
9:05
Prius cost Toyota around
9:07
one billion dollars to develop,
9:09
and it's a game changer. it
9:12
combines the practicality of a gasoline
9:14
engine with an electric motor
9:16
that worked together to get double
9:18
the fuel economy and half
9:20
the emissions of a regular car.
9:22
And unlike all electric
9:24
vehicles, it doesn't need to be
9:26
plugged in because the energy generated
9:28
by braking charges the batteries.
9:31
But it costs eighteen
9:33
thousand dollars, several
9:35
thousand more than the larger Toyota
9:37
Corolla, And even with
9:39
that high price tag,
9:41
Toyota actually loses
9:43
money on every prerequisite sells.
9:46
Not that Toyota It's
9:49
doing this for the bragging rights.
9:52
Toyota is now the leader in
9:54
green car tech and it's signal
9:56
to the rest of the auto industry that
9:58
it's no longer playing it
10:00
safe. And Okuda's
10:02
new aggressive Toyota is
10:05
just warming up. The
10:07
company's racing to open factories all
10:09
over the world. Its ultimate
10:12
goal to out the
10:14
world's biggest automaker, General
10:17
Motors. Toyota's
10:19
traditional approach of every new
10:21
car model having a unique design and
10:23
set of custom made parts
10:25
is
10:25
also history. Instead,
10:27
Toyota now creates
10:29
platforms where the same structure
10:31
and components are used to create a
10:33
whole new range of different cars.
10:36
This approach massively reduces
10:39
costs and slashes the
10:41
time needed to develop a new car
10:43
from years to
10:44
months. In
10:45
January nineteen ninety nine,
10:48
Toyota uses its new platform
10:50
approach to wage war on Honda
10:52
in Japan by launching a new
10:54
subcompact called the Toyota
10:56
Vitz. It's
10:58
roaming cheap, looks cute
11:00
and sells fast. Then
11:04
within eight months, Toyota
11:06
releases two more models built on the
11:08
Vitz platform. Together,
11:10
Toyota's three new subcompacts drain
11:13
sales from Honda's three door
11:15
hatchback the Lowe. And
11:17
it lifts Toyota's share of the Japanese
11:19
market above forty
11:21
percent. But in
11:23
America, Honda about to
11:25
strike back and
11:26
it's put a target on
11:28
the Prius.
11:37
It's January nineteen ninety nine.
11:39
And at the Detroit Auto Show, Honda's
11:41
news conference is underway. As
11:44
music plays, a two door coupe
11:46
emerges through a cloud of dry ice.
11:48
It's the color of Mountain Dew
11:50
and called the d v.
11:53
and it's Honda's answer to the Prius.
11:55
As the stage rotates,
11:58
Honda Executive Vice President Tom
12:00
Elliott introduces the
12:02
new vehicle to the journalists in the
12:04
audience. No other vehicle
12:06
can match the VV's combination of
12:08
high mileage low emissions,
12:10
and good performance. It's
12:12
a shot at the Prius.
12:14
Honda's hybrid squeezes twenty five
12:16
more miles out of every gallon of
12:18
gas. It also produces a third less
12:20
carbon dioxide than the Prius.
12:22
Our technology uses an electric
12:24
motor to provide extra power to
12:27
the gas engine to maximize
12:29
fuel economy. A journalist
12:31
raises a hand. It sounds
12:34
like the electric motorist assist the
12:36
engine. Does that mean there's no all
12:38
electric drive mode? Yes.
12:40
Our goal was to deliver the most
12:42
fuel efficient vehicle possible. We've
12:44
now done that without the need for an
12:46
all electric and it'll go
12:48
on sale in Japan and America this
12:51
year. Honda just thrown
12:53
down the gauntlet. Toyota's
12:55
still dithering about whether to bring
12:57
the Prius to the US so
13:00
Honda sees the chance to get
13:02
ahead and become the first
13:04
carmaker to launch a hybrid outside
13:07
Japan.
13:08
In November nineteen ninety
13:10
nine, the V V goes on sale. But
13:12
by then, it's no longer called the V
13:15
V. is now known as
13:17
the Insight. Price
13:19
to just under nineteen thousand dollars,
13:21
it's about two grand more than a
13:23
Honda Civic. And like
13:25
the Prius, Honda's taking a
13:27
hit on every sail in
13:29
the hope of becoming the front runner in
13:31
cleaner car technology.
13:33
But Honda lacks Toyota's
13:35
deep pockets. So
13:37
to limit the losses, Honda
13:39
caps production to a few thousand a
13:41
year and spends little on ads.
13:44
Demand, quickly outstrips supply.
13:48
And that, gives Toyota an
13:50
opening. In July
13:52
two thousand, the Prius reaches the
13:55
US and immediately pulls ahead of
13:57
the inside. Toyota
13:58
spent the year before
13:59
the launch building a list of nearly forty
14:02
thousand potential buyers, but
14:04
with only one thousand Prius
14:06
is being made each month. It's
14:08
an instant sellout. Soon,
14:11
there's a year long waiting list for
14:13
a Prius. Even so,
14:15
the Prius remains a niche
14:17
vehicle. Toyota
14:19
hopes to sell twelve thousand a year in
14:21
America, but Americans
14:23
buy more than three times that mini
14:25
Toyota Camrys every
14:27
month. The
14:29
question now how can
14:32
Toyota catapult its hybrid
14:34
into the mainstream?
14:40
December
14:40
two thousand, San Francisco.
14:43
In a small meeting room, Toyota
14:45
chief engineer, Satoshi Ogiso,
14:48
fires
14:48
another question at the Prius owners
14:50
who gathered for his focus group.
14:52
How does the Prius feel to
14:55
drive? Do you enjoy driving it?
14:57
He wants the next generation of Prius
14:59
to deliver for American drivers.
15:01
So he's flown in from Japan
15:03
to find out what Americans
15:05
want. One of the
15:07
Prius owners replies to Ogisso's
15:09
question. Honestly, the
15:11
ride's not great. It's Honda
15:15
I
15:15
second that. I mean, I
15:18
love my Prius. No question.
15:20
But yeah,
15:20
it lurches rather than glides.
15:23
Ogeso
15:23
nods.
15:25
Okay? Would this stop you from buying
15:27
another Prius? The woman
15:29
looks shocked.
15:30
Oh, no. I mean, it's
15:33
like the interior space. Right?
15:35
Sure. It'd be nice if the Prius had
15:36
more, but I bought a Prius to
15:39
stop being part of the problem. The
15:41
problem? Of global
15:43
warming. I know
15:44
the Prius won't solve everything. but
15:46
it's better than doing nothing.
15:48
Ogeso sees everyone else
15:51
nodding along. Okay.
15:52
Would anyone trade in
15:54
their Prius for a gasoline car that had
15:56
more space in a better ride?
15:59
no way
15:59
Everyone
16:02
shakes their head. Ogesoz
16:05
surprised to him and his
16:07
Japanese colleagues. America
16:09
comes across like a country that couldn't care
16:11
less if the world burns. he
16:13
never imagined Americans would settle for
16:15
jerky drives and limited space
16:17
to help the planet. And
16:19
that makes him wonder how popular
16:22
the Prius might become
16:24
if people who wanna go
16:26
green didn't have to give up the comforts
16:28
they expect from small cars.
16:30
So On
16:32
returning to Toyota City, Ogiso
16:35
decides to make the second generation
16:37
Prius bigger, prettier,
16:40
better equipped and more
16:42
fuel efficient. But
16:44
while Toyota plots to take the
16:47
Prius mainstream, Honda's
16:49
hatching a different plan. Instead
16:51
of
16:51
trying to get America to embrace the
16:53
insight, it's going
16:54
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16:56
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16:59
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It's spring two
19:15
thousand two, and Honda's
19:18
latest salvo in the hybrid wars is
19:20
entering showrooms across
19:22
America. and it looks
19:24
real familiar. After watching
19:26
the Prius outsell the insight three
19:28
to one, Honda's switching
19:31
tactics, It's giving up on getting people
19:33
to buy an unfamiliar eco
19:35
car. Instead, it's putting
19:37
its hybrid tech into one of its
19:39
most popular vehicles. the Civic.
19:42
And to explain the new Civic
19:44
Hybrid, Honda runs ads
19:46
showing a student in a school science
19:48
contest explaining the
19:50
tech. It's a
19:53
Civic. Not just any
19:55
Civic, a gasoline electric
19:57
hybrid Civic.
19:57
Where does the cord go? You
19:59
never
19:59
have to plug it in. How did
20:02
you get this into the gym?
20:04
The gasoline electric Civic hybrid
20:07
from Honda. did your parents help you
20:08
with this?
20:10
But Honda's
20:11
new Greener's Civic
20:13
cost three thousand six hundred dollars more
20:16
than a regular Lowe, so there's
20:18
no stampede to the showrooms.
20:21
But as the months pass, Civic
20:24
hybrid sales Creeper. By
20:27
spring two thousand three, Honda's
20:29
cutting into Toyota's lead in
20:31
the hybrid race. But then,
20:34
just as Honda's closing
20:36
in, the second generation Prius
20:39
lands. It's bigger, more
20:41
powerful, and even less gas
20:43
hungry than the original. And this
20:45
time, Toyota's got
20:47
the perfect sales pitch Instead
20:49
of talking tech like
20:52
Honda, Toyota is selling the
20:54
Prius as a mobile fashion
20:56
statement A way to let everyone know you've joined
20:58
the war against climate change,
21:00
and Hollywood joins
21:03
the cause.
21:05
March twenty
21:09
third two thousand three, Hollywood.
21:11
Outside the Kodak Theater,
21:14
photographers are crowded around the red
21:16
carpet. It's Oscar Knight, and
21:18
the big screen's biggest stars are
21:20
arriving for the movie industry's annual
21:22
celebration. most in shiny
21:24
black stretch limos. The paparazzi
21:27
ready their cameras for the next
21:29
arrival, but they're suddenly confused
21:32
when a Prius pulls up.
21:34
Roxy ready their cameras for the next
21:37
arrival. But they're suddenly confused
21:39
when a Prius pulls up. The
21:42
photographers lower their cameras.
21:44
What kind of a lister shows up at the
21:46
Academy Awards in a Toyota.
21:49
But then, Harrison Ford and Calista
21:52
Lockhart get out of the Prius. Indiana
21:55
Jones and Ali McBeale.
21:58
and that's a money shot if there ever was
21:59
one. And it totally
22:02
steals the show. The
22:04
paparazzo see jostle for position snapping
22:06
photos and shouting for attention. And
22:08
as the smiling stars are bathed in
22:10
the light of camera flashes,
22:13
the Toyota hybrid they came in on,
22:16
photobombs every shot. Soon,
22:19
Hollywood stars are falling all over
22:21
themselves to be photographed, get
22:23
into or out of Aphria, and car
22:25
buyers follow their
22:28
lead. In two thousand
22:29
three, Toyota sells twenty
22:32
five thousand Priuses in America.
22:34
In two thousand
22:34
five, it sells more than one
22:37
hundred thousand. Honda
22:39
is left Honda. with annual sales
22:42
of just twenty five thousand
22:44
Civic hybrids. The
22:46
Prius is no longer just
22:48
a car. It's a
22:50
cultural icon, the yen to the
22:52
gas chugging humber's yang. The
22:54
Prius is so pervasive that
22:56
it even gets a cameo on the cartoon
22:58
show south park as the Toyota
23:01
Pious. You know, the emissions
23:03
from a vehicle like yours causes
23:05
irreparable damage to the ozone.
23:06
I do
23:08
of the hybrid, it's much better
23:10
for the environment. Thanks.
23:14
Jack, when we go home, all you ever do since
23:16
you got cars drive around and show it off.
23:18
By
23:19
two thousand
23:20
six, Toyota's sold one
23:23
point five million hybrids,
23:25
six times as many as Honda.
23:27
Unable to keep up in
23:29
the hybrid battle Honda discontinues
23:32
the insight and the accord hybrid.
23:35
Instead, it looks further
23:37
into the fuel future. And
23:39
what it sees is hydrogen.
23:42
In two thousand eight,
23:44
it launches the FCX Clarity,
23:47
its first hydrogen powered
23:50
car. but with hydrogen fueling stations
23:52
rare. It doesn't go very
23:54
far. But Honda bets that
23:56
by starting now, it'll be
23:58
ahead of the pack hydrogen finally becomes
24:01
the fuel of the future. But
24:04
while Honda waits for the future
24:06
to arrive, Toyota is
24:08
racking up sales. Okada
24:10
moved from being Toyota's president to
24:12
its chairman in nineteen ninety nine
24:15
but his successors continued his
24:18
all out push to conquer the auto
24:20
industry. Now Toyota
24:23
opening factories at blistering speed.
24:26
Every year, the company adds enough
24:28
capacity to build another half million
24:30
cars. That's like adding the entire
24:33
manufacturing capacity of Subaru
24:35
year after year. And
24:38
Toyota's relentless cost cutting drive
24:40
is uncovering additional savings
24:42
worth around two billion dollars
24:45
every year. Toyota's
24:47
Lexus has overtaken Honda's Accurate
24:49
to become America's leading
24:51
luxury car brand. The Toyota
24:53
Camry is now America's best
24:56
selling car. And as Toyota
24:59
rises, General Motors bleeds
25:02
out. In two thousand seven, Okuda's
25:04
dream to route every other automaker
25:07
comes
25:07
true. Toyota
25:09
blasts past General
25:11
Motors to become the world's number
25:13
one carmaker. It is
25:15
a moment of true glory
25:18
for Toyota. But underneath
25:19
the sheen of success, there's
25:23
corrosion.
25:27
Hey.
25:27
Just got out of the meeting with the feds
25:29
and it's good news. They agreed we
25:31
only have to recall formats from o seven
25:33
and o eight Camrys and Lexus ES
25:36
three fifties. That's it. Yeah.
25:38
I talked about recalling the throttle pedal
25:40
assembly, but we pushed to keep
25:42
the focus on the formats being
25:44
a problem. Oh, nice. That'll be a
25:46
big saving. For
25:48
sure. I'll get the recall paperwork to
25:50
you in the next few hours.
25:55
In
25:55
September two thousand seven, Toyota
25:57
recalls fifty five thousand
25:59
all weather floor mats after reaching
26:01
an agreement with Nitsa, the
26:04
US vehicle safety agency.
26:06
The recall followed a fatal crash
26:08
involving a two thousand seven Camry.
26:11
The crash was suspected to have
26:13
happened after the unsecured mat
26:15
slipped forward and trapped the throttle
26:17
pedal that the car
26:19
kept accelerating. but few people noticed
26:21
the recall, and Toyota
26:23
sales continue to boom. And
26:25
with Toyota cleaning up,
26:28
Honda's looking to its rival
26:30
for inspiration.
26:32
Soichiiro Honda
26:34
founded Honda Motor as a place
26:36
where engineers would call the shots. But
26:39
Honda shareholders have watched
26:41
Toyota hyper speed growth within
26:43
the. In just
26:45
seven years, Toyota sales
26:47
have grown eighty percent.
26:49
Honda stockholders now want
26:52
similar returns and they're
26:54
pushing the company to be more Marshall Toyota.
26:56
So now Honda's reigning
26:58
in its free wheeling engineering
27:01
culture. Honda's
27:03
executives are pushing to prioritize
27:06
savings over innovation, opening
27:08
more factories to increase capacity.
27:10
and eliminating funding for experimental
27:12
research projects. But Toyota
27:14
isn't just saving money in its
27:17
back advisories. It's also saving
27:19
with some help from its lobbyists
27:21
on Capitol Hill.
27:26
July two
27:31
thousand nine at an orientation meeting of
27:33
top executives in Toyota's offices
27:35
in Washington DC.
27:36
We also wanna share with you some of the
27:38
good news we've had here in DC. What with you
27:41
having been out of Toyota for the past two
27:43
years and being new to the US
27:45
operation? Uh-huh. Now
27:47
as the slide shows narrowing the
27:49
scope of recalls was a win for
27:52
us. Narrowing? For
27:53
instance, we got Nitsa. That's the
27:56
federal vehicle SAFETY AGENCY. WE GOT
27:58
HIM TO KEEP A two thousand and seven
27:59
RECALL TO ALL WEATHER FLORMATS.
28:02
NOW IF THE AGENCY H FORCES
28:04
US TO RECALL a throttle pedal assembly as
28:07
well. That would have cost us a hundred
28:09
million dollars or more. And, you
28:11
know, we've
28:11
had even bigger wins too.
28:14
The
28:16
low key two thousand seven recall
28:19
of floor mats came after
28:21
numerous claims of Toyota
28:23
vehicles suddenly accelerating out of
28:25
control. But even after the
28:27
recall,
28:27
complaints about unintended acceleration
28:31
in Toyota's keep coming. Toyota's
28:33
growth
28:33
might be accelerating ever
28:35
faster, but cracks are
28:37
appearing in its once sterling
28:39
reputation for safety and reliability. Surveys
28:42
by
28:42
consumer reports magazine note that
28:45
its subscribers think Toyota
28:47
Wars, as good as they used to
28:49
be. An auto insurer State Farm
28:51
is noticing more and more
28:54
accidents involving Toyota. but
28:56
none of this attracts much attention
29:00
until
29:04
August twenty
29:04
sixth two thousand nine, San
29:06
Diego, California.
29:10
Alexa's
29:10
ES3 fifty shoots down the
29:12
freeway, at more than a
29:14
hundred miles an hour, switching lanes and cutting up the
29:16
rush hour traffic. There's no
29:19
maniac behind the
29:21
wheel. in the driver's seat is an off
29:23
duty California highway patrol officer,
29:25
Mark Sailor. With him
29:27
in the car are his wife, his
29:30
brother-in-law, and his thirteen year old daughter.
29:32
And right now, he's fighting to
29:34
save them all because
29:36
the accelerator stuck.
29:38
With the
29:40
speedometer rising higher and higher and the
29:42
end of the freeway approaching fast,
29:46
Sailer's brother-in-law makes a desperate call to
29:48
9110911 emergency.
29:50
What are you reporting? Yeah. We're the we're
29:52
the what I'm sorry. Your
29:54
cellphone cutting out. We're
29:56
going north one twenty five -- Mhmm. --
29:58
and our star is
29:59
stuck. I'm sorry? Our star
30:02
is stuck. We're at one twenty
30:04
five or eight. k.
30:06
Northbound one
30:06
twenty five. Where are you passing? We are
30:09
passing up. We'll be passing towards
30:11
We're we're going to a hundred and twenty Mission
30:14
Gorge. we're we're in trouble. We
30:16
can't we just don't brake. Okay.
30:18
Of course. And freeway hot miles.
30:20
Okay. And you don't have the ability to, like,
30:22
turn the vehicle off or anything? pushing
30:24
Karen intersection. We're approaching the intersection. Okay.
30:28
We're approaching the intersection. Hold on.
30:30
Free. Free. Free. Lowe?
30:38
At break
30:40
deck speed, the
30:42
shoots across the busy intersection, smacks
30:45
into another vehicle, careens
30:47
through a fence, and flips over
30:49
the embankment before tumbling into a
30:51
riverbed and catching fire. All
30:53
four of the family die.
30:58
The tragedy makes national headlines
31:00
It also brings attention
31:03
to dozens of other allegations of
31:05
unintended acceleration in
31:07
Toyota's and Lexuses a litany
31:10
of terrifying crashes that
31:12
have left dozens of people
31:14
dead or injured. And
31:16
now that these cases are in the public eye,
31:19
the ugly truth is going
31:21
to come out.
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two thousand and nine, two
32:02
months after the fatal crash in San
32:05
Diego. Hey,
32:06
you heard switch to the
32:08
new pedals being canceled. Yeah. I
32:10
got told this morning. It's
32:12
weird. Right? I mean, Europe's already using it
32:14
and the plants are ready to go.
32:16
Mhmm. And
32:19
wasn't it supposed to stop that sticking pedal
32:21
thing? Yep. They tell
32:24
you not put anything in writing too? Yeah.
32:26
I told them that's a breach of procedure
32:28
and asked who ordered this? You
32:30
did. What they say?
32:33
the top. Eat Japan.
32:35
I don't know. They wouldn't
32:37
they wouldn't say, but it
32:40
stinks. Yep. but
32:42
I got a feeling that the less
32:44
we know, the
32:46
better.
32:48
December two thousand nine, Toyota
32:50
City, Japan. In
32:53
Toyota's offices, Nitsa acting
32:56
administrator Ron Medford is meeting
32:58
with Toyota's highest ranking safety
33:00
officials, and he's struggling to keep
33:02
his cool. We're
33:04
talking
33:04
about potentially lethal problems with
33:07
your vehicles. Where's the sense of
33:09
urgency? The Toyota
33:10
officials Lowe startled. They thought
33:12
this was a
33:12
routine visit from the US vehicle
33:15
safety regulator, not a meeting
33:17
that actually matters. Mister
33:19
Medford, we take this very seriously.
33:21
We've recalled nearly four million vehicles so
33:23
that we can replace the floor mats
33:25
in accelerated pedals. you're only replacing
33:27
those pedals because we pushed you into it.
33:30
We acted as soon as our engineers
33:32
assess the problem. Now let me
33:33
be clear. US law
33:36
requires Toyota to notify Nitsa of
33:38
safety issues within five business
33:40
days, and it doesn't feel like that's
33:42
been happening. In the future, we
33:43
expect prompt action when you
33:46
learn about safety problems. We
33:48
understand. We will
33:49
try harder. But
33:52
there's already another
33:54
safety problem, and known
33:57
about it for a year. The
34:00
problem appeared in late two
34:02
thousand eight when Toyota drivers
34:04
in Europe reported unintended acceleration
34:06
after their gas pedal got stuck or released
34:10
slowly. Toyota found this
34:12
sticky pedal issue was because
34:14
of a flaw in the pedals made by a
34:16
US supplier. In
34:18
spring two thousand nine, the
34:20
supplier switched to a new pedal design that
34:22
solved the problem. But while
34:24
Europe got the
34:26
new pedals, Toyota continued with the old ones in
34:28
America and didn't tell Nitsa
34:30
about the problem. Toyota
34:33
planned to quietly add the new pedals to new cars in
34:35
North America from late two thousand nine. But
34:38
then, Toyota's other unintended
34:41
acceleration problem hit
34:44
the So Toyota
34:44
tried to hide
34:45
the sticky pedal problem by
34:48
canceling the introduction of the fix in
34:50
the US and telling its
34:52
employees to put nothing in
34:54
writing about that cancellation.
34:56
But the
34:57
cover up fails.
34:59
they yours In early
35:00
January twenty ten, claims of
35:03
sticky pedal problems in the
35:05
US forced Toyota to fess
35:07
up. The news Spark's
35:10
outrage, not just at the
35:12
failure to disclose the problem,
35:14
but at how Toyota fixed the issue
35:16
in Europe, while leaving
35:18
it unaddressed in North
35:20
America. Nitsa orders Toyota
35:22
to issue yet another recall and
35:24
tells it to stop selling eight models until the
35:27
fix is implemented, and a
35:30
criminal investigation
35:32
is launched. Toyota
35:34
sales crash. The company
35:36
that rose to the top on the back
35:38
of its reputation for safety
35:42
and reliability now has a reputation that's
35:44
been shattered.
35:50
February twenty fourth twenty
35:53
ten, Washington DC.
35:56
Toyota president, Akyo Toyoda, enters
35:59
the committee room and heads towards the witness
36:02
table. Ahead, he sees
36:04
the panel of congressmen and women who
36:06
are waiting to lay into him before
36:09
the cameras. It's barely a year since
36:11
the fifty three year old grandson of
36:13
Toyota founder, Keetchiro Toyota took
36:16
the helm of the world's
36:18
largest carmaker. He's the first
36:20
Toyota to run the business since
36:22
nineteen ninety five, and he's
36:24
inherited a
36:26
firestorm. Toyota's reputation hangs by a
36:28
thread. What he says
36:30
today could decide Toyota's
36:34
future. The
36:36
committee comes to order. Toyota takes
36:38
a deep breath, repositions
36:41
his thin rimmed glasses,
36:44
and delivers his opening statement.
36:46
Toyota has, for
36:47
the past few years, been
36:50
expanding its
36:52
business rapidly,
36:53
Quite frankly, I fear the
36:55
pace at which we
36:57
have grown may have
36:59
been too quick. we
37:01
pursued, growth over
37:03
the speed, at which we
37:05
are able to deliver our people
37:07
and our organization I
37:10
regret that this
37:12
has resulted in the safety
37:14
issue described in the
37:17
recalls we faced today. And I
37:19
am deeply sorry for
37:22
any accident that Toyota
37:24
drivers
37:24
have experienced. It's
37:26
a jaw
37:27
dropping moment. Toyota's laying
37:30
the blame on his company's ferocious
37:33
pursuit of growth Toyota
37:36
expanded so quickly that its
37:38
systems couldn't keep up, and
37:40
it cut costs so much that
37:43
the pressure began to overwhelm the pursuit of
37:46
quality. Toyota went all out to
37:48
become number
37:50
one. and some people may have paid for that with
37:53
their lives. Toyota promises
37:55
that from now on, Toyota
37:58
will once more put safety and quality before
38:02
growth. He also pledges a major
38:04
overhaul of the company's safety and
38:06
recall systems. After
38:08
the hearings,
38:09
Toyota will admit to
38:11
misleading consumers by concealing
38:14
information and making
38:16
deceptive statements. It
38:18
also
38:18
agrees to pay the justice department a one
38:20
point two billion dollar fine and
38:23
to have an independent monitor fact
38:25
check its safety statements for
38:27
three years.
38:28
Toyota also
38:30
pays more than a billion dollars to
38:32
settle multiple lawsuits from customers
38:35
and victims families, and that's on
38:37
top of the two billion dollars it spent, recalling more than
38:40
eight million
38:42
vehicles worldwide. but
38:45
the
38:45
sales hit is short lived. The promises of
38:47
change and a
38:47
program of discounts and zero
38:50
interest car
38:52
loans Soon lure customers back into the showrooms.
38:54
By twenty twelve, Toyota's
38:58
US sales are
39:01
growing once
39:02
again. But as Toyota
39:05
rebounds, Honda stumbles.
39:08
While rivals move fast to grab US market share on
39:10
the back of Toyota's woes, Honda
39:13
is slow off the mark
39:15
and misses out. By
39:18
then, Honda's attempts to mimic Toyota's growth
39:21
strategy are also backfiring.
39:24
It rushed
39:26
to expand its manufacturing capacity, but then the global
39:28
credit crunch hammered demand
39:30
for new cars. saddled
39:33
with expensive excess capacity.
39:36
Honda ends up shutting facilities.
39:38
Its bet on hydrogen
39:41
cars also disappoints after world governments don't invest in
39:43
the infrastructure needed to make hydrogen a
39:46
viable replacement
39:48
for gasoline. Instead of
39:50
hydrogen, everyone's looking to
39:52
go electric now. But
39:54
that's a problem for Toyota too.
39:57
In wake of Tesla's success, consumers
39:59
and the auto industry now see plug
40:02
in electric vehicles as
40:04
the future. that's put Priya's sales on a downward
40:06
trajectory. Toyota
40:08
may have been the ultimate winner
40:09
of the gasoline age,
40:13
But as electric vehicles take
40:15
over the industry, there's no
40:17
guarantee Toyota will wind up
40:19
in first place. and the
40:21
stakes are rising. Every big automaker is racing
40:23
to stay ahead of Tesla.
40:26
And Toyota
40:28
and Honda are no
40:30
exception. Toyota
40:32
planning to crush the competition under the
40:34
wheels of dozens of new electric models.
40:37
Honda's teaming up with
40:39
GM, Sony and LG, to keep
40:41
up with its
40:44
bigger rival. Unlike when the two companies led the way
40:46
on hybrid technology, this
40:48
time, they're starting from behind.
40:51
Honda, it's Tesla
40:53
and China's BYD that are blazing
40:55
the trail. But Toyota and
40:58
Honda have been late to the
41:00
party before. When they rose
41:02
up from the ashes of a war torn
41:04
Japan, they were decades
41:06
behind. The world underestimated
41:10
them then. And perhaps, it's
41:12
about to do the
41:14
same again.
41:20
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From wondering, this
41:42
is episode four of Toyota versus
41:44
Honda Honda business
41:46
Wars A quick note
41:48
about recreations you've been hearing. In most
41:50
cases, we can't know exactly what was
41:52
said. Those scenes are but they're
41:54
based on historical research. Now if you'd like to read more
41:56
about the race to build hybrid and electric cars,
41:59
we recommend car wars by John
42:01
Wars for more information
42:04
about story behind the recall, we recommend Reuters twenty ten
42:06
special report titled Inside
42:09
Toyota's Epic Breakdown. I'm your
42:12
host David Brown. Tristan Donovan
42:14
wrote this story. Voice acting by
42:16
Michelle Phillips and Art
42:18
Butler. Karen Lowe is our senior producer
42:20
and editor. edited and produced by Emily Frost. Sound
42:22
designed by Kyle Randall. Our
42:24
producer is Dave Schilling, our
42:26
managing producer Karen Tanya
42:28
Thigden and Matt Gannon.
42:30
Our executive producers are Jenny Producer
42:32
Beckman and Marshall Lewy,
42:34
created by
42:36
Ernon Lopez, for
42:40
wondering.
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