The 𝗛𝗨𝗠𝗔𝗡 side of orchestras and classical music. In early 2026 we’re relaunching the podcast to explore what helps people and culture thrive and where systems, hierarchy and tension get in the way.

We'll uncover the dynamics that shape collaboration, communication, well-being and performance in classical music.

Ingrid and Susan are both outsiders and insiders in classical music. Ingrid is a professional conductor who used to be an emergency doctor. Susan is a trainer and consultant who founded a multi-million dollar tech company. Between them, they know what supports people to be their best at work.

Check out the back catalogue of 5 seasons featuring conversations with classical musicians about feelings (YES!), finding their value and career transitions. Meet professional classical musicians now thriving as entrepreneurs, master craftsmen, counsellors, personal trainers, software developers, lawyers and more. We need to NORMALISE the reality of underemployment, unemployment, career pivots and exits for classical musicians.