0:06

F the cops. F

0:09

the cops. If

0:12

I say what this, thirty

0:14

two year old woman Jessica Bouvet

0:16

said, it would totally get

0:18

beaped out. Now

0:21

in our country, we have the right to free

0:23

speech. You can say F the cops all you want

0:25

to till you're blue in the face. But

0:29

when you run down

0:32

a motorman out

0:35

working a homicide scene

0:37

at two am in the morning,

0:40

sever his leg his legos

0:43

flying into the air, leaving

0:47

a widow and two little children

0:49

behind, Suddenly your

0:52

podcast rants of

0:54

F the Police take

0:56

on a whole new meaning.

1:08

We want justice? Will we

1:10

get it? First of all,

1:13

take a listen to this. In

1:15

a podcast posted on Facebook

1:17

Monday night, thirty two year old Jessica Beauvais

1:20

of Hempstead directed expletives

1:22

at police officers and sipped drinks

1:24

while she was demonizing these police officers.

1:27

She decided to make other bad choices

1:30

and spend the evening drinking, and

1:33

she admitted that she smoked marijuana

1:36

as well. Just hours after the

1:38

podcast, as alleged in a thirteen count

1:40

criminal complaint, Beauvais hit NYPD

1:43

officer Anastasio Sakos as

1:45

he directed traffic away from an earlier

1:47

crash on the lie ramp to the Clear View

1:49

Expressway. Sakos, a husband

1:52

and father of two, was thrown into the

1:54

air and landed in a nearby patch of grass.

1:57

The scene that Sosakos was working

2:00

ended up being a vehicular homicide

2:02

scene. Somebody died in that scene. And

2:05

while he is out on the highway,

2:07

the Lie the Long Island Expressway,

2:09

people fly like batside

2:12

of hell on the lye. He's

2:15

trying to protect that scene

2:17

and ends up dead. His

2:20

wife and children at home, probably asleep

2:23

waiting for him to show up for breakfast.

2:28

You know, sometimes in this

2:31

line of business you just run out

2:33

of words. Let's

2:35

see if I can go to my panel, an all star

2:37

panel to make sense of what is happening.

2:40

First of all, doctor Sherry Schortz, forensic psychologist

2:43

specializing in capital

2:46

mitigation at panther mitigation

2:48

dot com. Doctor Kendall Crown's

2:51

Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, Travis

2:53

County, Texas. That's Austin. And

2:55

you know how many medical examiners

2:57

ever become a deputy chief? Less

2:59

than eight percent. Cheryl

3:01

McCollum, forensic expert

3:04

and director of the Coldcase Research

3:06

Institute. You can find her at Coldcase Crimes

3:08

dot org. Serena Fazzon,

3:10

four time Emmy Award winning

3:13

investigative reporter at Serena

3:15

Fazon dot Media also

3:18

runs a podcast on the Record with Serena Fazon

3:21

also with Me. Special guest today, Timothy

3:25

McEwen, former

3:27

motorman APD, now

3:31

a lawyer at

3:34

Tim Mckewaninc. Dot com. You

3:37

can also find him at Lawyers four

3:39

Cops dot com. Another

3:41

interesting thing about him,

3:44

not only was he an APD and motorman

3:46

out there working the streets without the

3:48

benefit of being inside

3:50

a police cruiser, he also

3:53

was run down in the line

3:56

of duty. I mean, really,

3:59

Tim mc when will it

4:01

end? Well? Thank you Nancy for having

4:03

me. Um. Back in nineteen ninety two,

4:06

I was working a

4:08

car fire um call

4:11

U the Downtown Connector

4:13

in Atlanta, and I was actually hit

4:15

by a City of Atlanta

4:17

fire shruck that forced me into the street.

4:21

And as you know personally,

4:23

Nancy, you were there at the hospital with me Um

4:27

and Renee Rockwell where they shattered

4:29

my left hand. Um.

4:32

You know, being a motor man does not

4:34

you know, afford the colcomminate level

4:37

of safety as you have in a patrol car.

4:40

So you know I was lucky that

4:42

they even saved my hand, doctor Keating. And

4:46

where does it end? Um, Well,

4:48

I say doesn't end in

4:51

the Times now you

4:53

know when you say that, Jim McEwan,

4:55

you're right, it doesn't end.

4:58

Because as long as one is

5:01

willing to go out there and put their life

5:03

on the line, whether it

5:05

is on the street or in court and try

5:07

to do the right thing, as long

5:09

as there are the bad guys

5:12

out there, it will never end.

5:15

Straight out to Serena Fazzon, four

5:17

time Emmy Award winning anchor annivestigative

5:19

reporter, I am sick, six

5:22

sick about this. Have you seen

5:25

his wife, Irene. He's got

5:27

a three year old son, a six year

5:29

old daughter. They're just at home in bed when

5:31

all of this happened. What happened that night?

5:33

Oh my gosh, Nancy, I mean,

5:36

it's beyond beyond awful.

5:38

Here he is a fourteen year veteran

5:40

on the fours working, doing

5:43

his job, trying to protect

5:45

people on this other traffic scene, and

5:47

then you have this woman no

5:51

regard to life loaded,

5:54

I mean two guilt. And

5:57

here's the other thing, Serena Fazzan, Let

5:59

me go to Cherylum director

6:01

Coalcase Research Institute and FYI

6:04

former director of Mothers Against

6:07

Driving Georgia

6:09

Cheryl McCollum. I didn't really

6:11

need her BA breath alcohol, blood alcohol.

6:14

I don't need it because I've got her on a podcast

6:17

ranting and carrying on

6:19

about f the cops, how

6:22

much they are not wanted, how much she doesn't

6:24

want them in her neighborhood, how much

6:26

they deserve would they get, and the

6:29

whole time she's throwing back and

6:31

liquor. I don't need

6:33

that. I can see it on her podcast,

6:36

Cheryl, take a listen to our friends again

6:38

at Fox five. This is Robert

6:40

Moses. Listen. According

6:42

to the Queen's District Attorney, Beauvais kept

6:45

driving before exiting onto the Horace Harding

6:47

Expressway. Officers caught up to

6:49

her and surrounded her car, which she threw in

6:51

reverse, ramming the police vehicle

6:53

behind her twice before stopping

6:55

and getting arrested. Police say her

6:57

blood alcohol content was point one five,

7:00

nearly twice the legal limit, and

7:04

that magnifies this tragedy. Such

7:06

a considerate man fell victim

7:08

to utter callousness. Now his

7:10

widow, Irene, and their six year old daughter

7:13

and three year old son must carry on

7:15

they will never see their father again because

7:19

somebody did the wrong thing. Okay

7:22

too, Cheryl McCollum, point one

7:24

five. Isn't the legal limit point zero

7:26

eight in that jurisdiction? Point

7:28

zero eight, Nancy, it's almost twice.

7:31

But here's the thing, the last thing on that

7:33

tape you just played, she says, I'm sorry?

7:36

Was she sorry? Was she stopped

7:38

by her house and grabbed that bottle of wine

7:41

and the bottle of tequila and the

7:43

vodka and the weed. Okay,

7:45

we wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait, I'm drinking out

7:47

of the fire eye again. Too much,

7:50

too fast? What did you just say?

7:52

Oh? Yeah, she had wine, tequila,

7:55

vodka, and weed. So not only

7:57

is she doing shots on that podcast,

7:59

line to go up, vodka

8:01

and weed, and

8:04

she's admitted to all of that. So

8:07

again, was she sorry? Then?

8:09

At six thirty seven pm?

8:12

And what was she doing after

8:15

the two hour podcast? Nancy?

8:17

She goes from eight thirty pm to

8:19

two am? She wasn't

8:22

what was she doing out at two

8:24

am? Just curious, not judging?

8:26

What is she doing at at two am? Do we have

8:28

any idea anybody on the panel what

8:31

going to the liquor store? I don't know what

8:33

what is she doing at two am? Side driving

8:36

drunk? And another

8:38

thing, speaking of driving drunk,

8:40

you're the former president mad Georgia mothers

8:43

against drunk driving. So she

8:45

gets off her podcast where she just

8:48

tears the police apart, cursing

8:51

them out, drinking the whole

8:53

way through. Something had to keep

8:55

her blood alcohol up to

8:58

point one five until two clock

9:00

in the morning, Sharyl McCollum, how much do

9:02

you think she threw back? Oh honey, she

9:04

was steady having at it. There's no

9:06

question about it, because for that six

9:08

and a half hours she was not sobering

9:11

up. No way, she's

9:13

driving around, I'm sure, listening to music,

9:16

having a great old time. And

9:18

where is her thirteen year old? And where

9:21

is her thirteen year old child? You know what I mean?

9:23

I mean you won't talk about her. That

9:25

is that, sir

9:27

you Serena? Yeah, guys,

9:30

we'll get to that. Where is her

9:32

thirteen year old child? During all of

9:34

this climb

9:43

stories with Nancy Grace, we

9:46

are talking about an officer, good

9:51

as gold. Officer Anastasio Sasako's

9:54

New York PD just forty two years

9:56

old, father of two,

9:58

husband now dead. He

10:02

was one of the many, many officers

10:04

across this country there called

10:08

traffic cops or motorman.

10:10

He's out, he's out in

10:13

the elements. He's working

10:15

a crime scene where there was another

10:17

vehicular homicide to a

10:19

m when his life

10:22

explodes because he literally collides

10:24

with a thirty two year old woman, drunk

10:27

cop hater, Jessica

10:29

Bouvo. Listen to this. Tequila,

10:33

wine, vodka, marijuana.

10:35

That's what police say. The defendant was drinking

10:38

and smoking in the hours

10:40

before she got into her Volkswagen

10:43

and killed a beloved highway patrolman.

10:45

But now she says she's sorry.

10:53

That's what she told reporters in handcuffs.

10:55

But earlier in the day, moments

10:58

after getting arrested, and I says,

11:00

thirty two year old Jessica Bouvet had

11:02

a different attitude, and the last

11:05

thing I heard was all right, get

11:07

the f out of my way or stay the f O. I

11:09

don't care. Now she's facing thirteen

11:11

criminal charges after running

11:13

down veteran NYPD highway

11:16

patrolman and Assasio Sachos

11:18

early Tuesday morning on the l Ie. He

11:21

was directing traffic after a previous

11:23

fatal crash. A twenty six year old

11:25

man died when the driver of an Infinity

11:28

slammed into a pole. Then Officer

11:30

Sachos himself would die at the

11:32

handful woman, who admittedly hated

11:34

the cops, posting this long rant

11:37

on her Facebook page hours before

11:39

the crash. We're not scared

11:42

of the police. We want you to know we

11:44

don't get about you. Your

11:46

mama, got children, your wife. Isn't

11:49

it true? Tim McEwan, former

11:51

motorman, He was dragged

11:55

along the highway working a scene.

11:59

Now, lawyer, isn't

12:01

it true that the judge

12:03

will instruct the jury in this case

12:06

that one may immediately regret

12:09

the deed, immediately regret the

12:11

deed, but that does not negate

12:13

the intent at the time

12:15

of the incident. Isn't that true?

12:18

Very true? Aescent, all

12:20

this crying and snodding and

12:22

blubbering, how much do you

12:25

think that has to do? Straight to

12:27

you, Doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologist,

12:30

What does that have to do with those handcuffs

12:33

and the fact that she got caught. I

12:35

mean, my thought is listening to her podcast,

12:38

which I have done over and over and

12:40

over. She's not sorry

12:42

she did it, She's sorry she got caught.

12:45

You make an excellent point, Nancy It's

12:48

going to be really, really hard for

12:50

a mitigation expert or a defense attorney

12:53

to argue with all of this video

12:55

audio evidence that just hours

12:58

before she's ranting up police,

13:00

if you're going to kill me, at least I get to take

13:02

someone with me. If I got

13:04

to go, someone's coming. I mean, this is

13:07

really not at all helpful. She's

13:09

slinging back the shots, is what it looked

13:11

like to me. And then when

13:13

the police are doing the Purp Book with her

13:16

and she's in handcuffs, she's

13:18

sobbing. So it's hours

13:20

later, maybe she's sobered up a little and

13:22

the reality of what she's facing has

13:24

hit her. So even if she is

13:27

truly has some level

13:29

of sorrow for the fact that she killed

13:31

someone, there's it's

13:33

going to be really hard to separate how

13:36

much of that sorrow is poor me, Poor me,

13:38

you know, Jessica Bovo, Save

13:40

the snot and the tears

13:43

and the blubbering and the wiggledy

13:47

chin. Save

13:49

it, because this is

13:51

what I heard you say. Let's

13:53

take a listen to cut

13:57

three. It's them uncomfortable.

14:00

The next time you see an officer pulling somebody

14:02

over or being an otherwise

14:06

as nosey as you is, A nose

14:08

as you is in people's business. On

14:12

who's wearing what, who we look proper, who lashes,

14:14

is on flink or not. Put your camerat

14:18

stop just recording like fighting the trees

14:20

and put it on a stick. I'm just saying, Paul, let's shout like,

14:22

let's start recording these people and start seeing

14:24

what they really do and

14:27

then starts setting footage in. Don't just record

14:29

for recording it

14:32

make them uncomfortable. Y'all don't belong

14:34

in the hood, the hood on

14:36

core police and

14:38

the people in theorhood. The dude don't belong

14:41

in the hood. Take

14:44

that to Garden City, West

14:48

Hampstead men passing,

14:51

stab nolin wherever the y'all keep

14:53

all these people who are scared of anything. Take that shion

14:55

out there, keep your police out there, and

14:58

while y'all in our neighborhoods, make the uncomfortable

15:00

to be not skitty off rough. That's

15:03

the problem, I thin, because scattered them through y'all

15:07

get kill for sneakers and

15:10

drug transactions. You can't be scattered

15:12

a police. I'm just saying, Mike'm understand

15:14

that. Back

15:16

to special guest Tim mckewan, joining

15:18

us and then following up with Cheryl

15:21

McCollum.

15:23

The three of us have worked

15:26

every single part of

15:29

Atlanta, from other

15:31

rich people in North

15:33

Fulton down to

15:36

South Atlanta. And there

15:38

is no place that does

15:41

not need police.

15:44

As you recall Tim McEwan,

15:46

then APD Motorman now lawyer

15:49

are at Lawyers Forcops dot Com.

15:52

The vast majority of victims

15:55

I represented and victims

15:58

you took care of were

16:01

women, children, minorities

16:06

that nobody seemingly

16:09

would stand up for. And

16:12

now this woman is saying, get the

16:14

hay out of our neighborhood. That's

16:17

not the consensus. Trust me, she's

16:20

alone. And when I think

16:22

about this, Officer an Astasius

16:25

Desakos, Cheryl McCollum,

16:27

we were talking about the point one five

16:30

blood alcohol. How many drinks do you think she had?

16:32

She probably had about twelve. But

16:35

listen, Nancy, she hits

16:37

that man at such

16:39

a high rate of speed that

16:42

she cracked his grill, dented

16:45

his hood, shattered

16:48

his windshield, and then

16:50

his head dented her roof

16:53

his entire body, smashed

16:56

that car to pieces. She

16:59

catapulted to him a hundred

17:02

feet. So if

17:04

I were a prosecutor, the very

17:07

last thing I'd play for that jury

17:10

is her saying I don't give an

17:12

f about you, your wife,

17:14

or your kids, because she's sure

17:16

as hell didn't. If it's on Emmy

17:19

Award winning Anchor and Investigative

17:21

reporter. I've seen a

17:23

lot of vehicular homicide scenes,

17:26

and at the first time I saw it, I

17:29

said, why are their shoes here? No,

17:31

Actually, he's a second time because the first

17:33

time I noticed it. The

17:36

second time I thought, that's just too much of coincidence.

17:38

Two vehicular homicide scenes, two

17:40

sets of shoes. This

17:43

officer was hit so hard

17:45

he was knocked out of his knee

17:47

high motor man boots. It's

17:51

it's so disturbing, and it's such a

17:53

picture that journalists

17:55

do see that are on the scene. I can paint

17:58

the picture of what I can imagine is happening in

18:00

the newsroom. In the newsroom, you're listening

18:02

to the scanners. The scanners are going

18:04

off. They're hearing about a police officer.

18:06

So of course you have immediately

18:09

the newsroom, you know, calling in extra

18:12

cruise because something

18:15

is very, very wrong. Anytime anybody is

18:17

hit, it's horrible. But in a case like

18:19

this, where you have a woman,

18:23

you know, driving so drunk and plowing

18:25

down a police officer who's already

18:27

on a scene. Once you arrive at

18:29

that scene, you know, typically

18:31

everything, of course is always all roped

18:34

off, but reporters, journalists

18:37

have a little bit of a closer access. It's

18:39

also the relationships that you make

18:41

with police officers in the police department. But

18:44

I honestly, as

18:47

a journalist, that is your job. But the

18:49

public should never ever see anything so

18:52

horrific. Crime

19:02

stories with Nancy Grace for

19:05

those of you just joining US officer

19:08

Anastasia's Tsaco's New York PD

19:11

was killed on the Long Island Expressway

19:13

by a drunk driver who had just

19:16

finished her podcast ranting

19:18

about her hatred for the police. As a matter

19:20

of fact, take a listen to our cut four.

19:22

This is more of her comparing

19:25

police officers officers to roaches

19:28

and an infestation. We're

19:31

not scared of a police think

19:35

I'm lying, asked my son. I go onto

19:37

precincts and field just as stupid

19:40

as I don't on the streets. It's not a one

19:42

side of thing like what happened

19:46

you Just so, I'm

19:50

from New York for him, you

19:52

don't reserve, I

19:55

don't know how to kim a thing. We

19:59

want you to know. We don't give about

20:02

you, your mama, your children, your

20:04

wife. You're nothing. You're nothing

20:06

to us but spray roaches

20:09

infestation. You

20:11

know, Doctor Kendall Crowns,

20:13

It's very difficult for me to separate

20:17

what I'm hearing her say from

20:19

what she did. By her own admission

20:22

to this officer, this father, this husband.

20:26

At my job doesn't

20:28

require that I separate it, because

20:30

in my mind, that shows intent

20:34

and pure malignant heart.

20:36

The abandoned and malignant heart required

20:39

to show murder. One not

20:42

necessarily intent to kill, but

20:45

acting with a malignant heart, such

20:47

as driving through a street fair

20:50

at ninety mph.

20:52

That's an abandon and malignant heart with a disregard

20:54

for human life. You have

20:57

to look strictly at the forensics,

20:59

and can you tell me, doctor Kendall Crowns,

21:01

how his leg would

21:04

have been severed, fly through

21:07

the air and land

21:09

and the other officers go

21:11

try to hide his leg

21:15

from news cameras and rubberneckers

21:19

and bystanders, so

21:22

his children won't see that

21:24

on the knees, their father's leg

21:27

somewhere else because of this woman.

21:30

How would your whole leg get severed.

21:33

So when you're dealing with high rates of speed,

21:35

was vehicles that she's going ninety miles per hour,

21:39

So calm just curious.

21:42

How you got a cop

21:44

that just gets his legs severed. It flies

21:46

one hundred feet in the air his b he's

21:48

knocked out of his boots. Do when

21:51

you see a body like this? That doesn't

21:53

make you mad? Unfortunately,

21:55

Nancy, every case I do I consider

21:57

tragic. Everybody dies, and

22:00

many people die in very tragic means. I

22:03

can't get wrapped up in the emotion of it because

22:05

it will obscure my ability to do my

22:07

job and correctly get

22:09

the cause and manner of death. So it helps

22:12

people along the line. I

22:16

separate it. But yeah, sometimes it gets

22:18

emotional. This is unfortunately an unpleasant

22:20

case, but it's going

22:23

through the facts of it. She's going to the high rate

22:25

of speed highway speeds over highway

22:27

speed ninety miles per hour. When

22:29

she strikes his leg. You know, your joint

22:31

spaces aren't designed to take

22:33

that much force. So what happens is

22:36

if it isn't just the bone itself fracturing

22:38

and severing, it rips out of the joint

22:40

spaces and then it comes

22:43

free. So if you get a fracture

22:46

or it pulls along the joint spaces, it rips

22:48

free and because of the high rate of speed,

22:50

it will fly through the air after

22:53

the collision. So we see this

22:55

quite often in pedestrians. They are struck on

22:57

the highways. Often both they're

22:59

legibly severed or even

23:01

they'll be cut in half. Guys,

23:04

we were talking about the death officer

23:06

Anastasia Tsaco's back

23:11

to you. Tim McEwen, former

23:14

motorman now attorney.

23:19

When you are highway

23:21

patrol, when you are a motorman,

23:23

when you are a traffic cop, you

23:26

face an entirely different

23:29

risk set the normal cops

23:31

face. Explain well,

23:34

Nancy. You know, first of all, being a well

23:38

with Atlanta Police Department, being an APD

23:40

motor man is an honor. If

23:43

you get picked and you

23:45

know, you write a lot of times you ride alone, and

23:48

you know you experience a lot

23:51

of you know, on security

23:53

issues. You know you don't know who you're stopping, but you

23:55

know you're on the highway and you're

23:58

you know, the

24:01

traffics out there. People don't see

24:03

you a lot of times, and it's

24:05

a it's a very risk it's a risky job.

24:10

Gres like the accident I had. I mean, I

24:12

was lucky to survive, lucky to have the

24:15

medical sport I had put

24:17

me back together. It's

24:19

it's a it's a it's an honor to be a mode man.

24:23

Really is Nancy Joey

24:25

Amazon? Here? Could I? Could I bring up something

24:27

that you know that we haven't even really

24:29

discussed, but something that I've been thinking about a

24:31

lot. This woman, of course had

24:33

her podcast, right you

24:36

and I, as you and I both know being in television,

24:38

you, of course on a much larger scale than myself,

24:41

know that years ago you

24:43

had to tune into a station to

24:45

watch the six pm news, you had to tune

24:47

into the station to watch five pm, or go to

24:49

some of these channels. Now we have everybody.

24:52

It's so many people able to do podcasts,

24:55

are able to go online

24:57

and express their opinions, and

25:00

that empowers them, right, that emboldens

25:02

them. So you have this woman who

25:05

is ranting and raving about police

25:07

officers, the very men and women

25:09

who who risked their lives every

25:11

single day to protect us, saying horrible

25:13

and awful things. I feel

25:15

that when you have that much power, or

25:18

you feel that you have that much power, it empowers

25:20

you, she felt empowered, maybe

25:23

that fuels her to drink more. I don't know.

25:25

I'm not a therapist. I'm not a psychologist,

25:28

but I could but I could just see that. I

25:30

could just see her sitting at her computer getting

25:33

fueled by her own inappropriate words

25:36

and her probably

25:38

elevating herself to that star

25:41

status. Does that make sense, fancy? I know you

25:43

can explain it much better than I'm explaining

25:45

it. Let's catch to forensic psychologist doctor

25:47

Sherry Schwartz. Wait and Dodger, Yeah,

25:49

you're absolutely right. This is exactly

25:52

what she did. And as she was drinking

25:54

and drugging, she was getting

25:56

herself really worked up

25:59

to a boiling point. And

26:02

here's the dangerous thing that really strikes me.

26:05

She created a stereotype of

26:07

in her mind and outgroup member. Right,

26:09

police, the police are all bad, they're

26:11

all this In some ways, I think she pretty

26:14

explicitly stated that she believed

26:16

that they should all die and who

26:18

cares. Usually what happens

26:21

in those cases, though, is when you

26:24

get these individuals to take a pause and

26:26

say, Okay, but he has a

26:28

wife who's a mom just like your mom.

26:30

What about his children? What

26:33

about he's a human being, you know, and

26:35

you can humanize the person

26:37

to them and make them more similar

26:39

to and say, look, they might have a job that

26:41

you disagree with or you don't like the way

26:44

some police have done the job, but look

26:46

we're not all that different. We're all still people.

26:49

But she takes it that disturbing

26:51

step further and said, who

26:54

cares about his wife? So

26:56

that's particularly troubling thinking.

26:58

And I can't, even as a forensic psychologist,

27:01

I'm struggling a little bit to understand

27:04

that level of hatred

27:06

and anger. Guys, I want you to take

27:09

a listen to our cut eleven

27:11

Derek Waller, ABC seven. By

27:13

all accounts, officer Sako's was a

27:16

hero with a wife and two young

27:18

children they'll never see again.

27:21

His partner yelled out and other

27:23

police officers were able to get out of the

27:25

way, but that didn't stop this

27:27

defendant who ran loved

27:29

one speaking out, including his brother

27:32

who spoke to I with this news by phone.

27:35

He was

27:38

interesting, pot a house, you were studying his

27:40

life, everything, he was doing good. That's

27:46

it. I can't believe the shack

27:49

and I've been crying ever since I heard a

27:51

family man friendly as

27:53

could be, and the most hardworking person

27:55

you'd ever want to meet. Police also say that

27:58

Bouvet blew a ploy one father. I've

28:00

on the breath lazer two hours

28:02

after her arrest. Her driving records

28:04

so bad her license had been suspended.

28:08

The mother of a thirteen year old boy

28:10

now faces up to fifteen years in

28:12

prison. Fifteen years?

28:15

What? What? What? What is more?

28:18

What is the charge? It

28:21

should be more? I mean she's facing thirteen

28:23

counts? Right? What is the lead

28:25

charge? Is? My question? Is it vehicular

28:28

blot? Indeed?

28:31

Wi No No No

28:43

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Timothy

28:46

McEwan, a former motorman now lawyer,

28:50

in light of her podcast, why

28:53

is this just a vehicular homicide?

28:56

Why? Just fifteen years? Her

28:58

podcast shows now and

29:00

tent against police totally

29:02

green, Nashy. It should be it should

29:05

be. No. I don't know what New York's what

29:07

their crime level is, manslaughter, murder,

29:10

you know, I don't know, but it should

29:12

be a lot more elevated than that. I

29:14

mean, Cheryl McCollum on fifty eight years,

29:16

she'll be out in five. That's the

29:19

deal. And we all know it.

29:22

These children have a life sentence

29:24

without their father, and she's going to be

29:26

walking around ranting against

29:28

police officers in just five years,

29:31

and we gotta listen to it. I mean,

29:34

Cheryl point one five, that's

29:36

two hours after the crash,

29:38

which means the blood alcohol

29:40

had dissipated in her system, which

29:43

means she would have blown even higher

29:45

two hours before. Explain that. But here's

29:48

the great news, Nancy. The prosecutors can

29:50

always add charges or upgrade with

29:52

more evidence comes into play. But what happens

29:55

is the alcohol gets straight into your bloodstream,

29:57

so as tom goes on, it dissipates.

30:00

As you urinate or sweat or throw up

30:02

or whatnot, it will go away. So

30:05

the fact that she was that high

30:07

after that many hours means

30:09

that she was probably more likely

30:12

you know, a point one eighth or a

30:14

point two. Oh, you just don't know. But

30:17

I want to I want to piggyback on something y'all

30:19

were talking about about the way she's acting. I

30:22

spent eight years at the Fort County jail, and

30:25

I can tell you a lot of these ogs and

30:27

gangstause. Once they're in that

30:29

jail cell, they start to cry. And

30:32

what she did, she was big and

30:34

bad behind that microphone. But what

30:36

happened once os handcuffs her own. Oh she's

30:38

sorry, now she's crying. She ain't

30:40

big and bad. They're weak. They're

30:43

punks, and that's the reason they act

30:45

like they do their bulletproof

30:48

until all of a sudden, the real

30:50

police are responding to a real

30:52

situation and they, like

30:55

the name of her podcast, has to

30:57

face the reality. Take

30:59

a listen to our Cuddy eleven A. This

31:02

is Jessica Bouvet's police

31:04

statements.

31:08

What happened? Family

31:11

party? What are

31:13

you sorry for? I'm sorry?

31:20

What do you want to say? The officers? Family? Where

31:27

are you coming from?

31:36

The reality is is that she hit

31:39

a vehicle, reversed going

31:42

about ninety mph, reversed and

31:45

then took down the officer. And

31:48

I would argue, Cheryl McCollum did this

31:50

is no accident, This is no crash

31:53

because it is a very intentional

31:55

decision to drink vodka,

31:57

to do shots, to drink wine,

31:59

to moat pot to then go get

32:02

your car keys, to then go to

32:04

your car, crank up your

32:06

car, put it in reverse, put it in

32:08

drive, get out on the highway,

32:11

get to a m in the morning. All

32:13

of those are intentional acts.

32:16

And it is only when we treat

32:18

these cases as murder,

32:20

a felony murder, a

32:23

DUI felony

32:26

death. Will this ever

32:29

stop? I wonder how that's what Emily is

32:31

feeling right now, you know, I mean she's

32:33

also a mother of a of a child

32:35

too, so many that child

32:37

now again, believe me, I'm not a kid at

32:40

all, as you know, I'm on this poor, poor

32:42

officers side and his family. But

32:44

now think a look at her thirteen year old son.

32:47

Well, let's go back to that. She

32:50

got in trouble starting in two thy fifteen

32:54

for not paying the DMV. They

32:56

suspended her license only after

32:58

years of her not Hey, she hasn't

33:01

cared. She put that child in

33:03

a car knowing she had a suspended

33:05

license. She's probably driven drunk

33:07

with that child. A multiple are

33:10

the stature on McCollum's not just you

33:12

spouting it out. Statistics show that

33:14

for every time a duy has stopped,

33:17

how many times have they driven drunk?

33:19

At least fifty Nancy fifty

33:23

a d Twenty nine

33:25

people a day die because of impaired

33:28

driving. That's ten thousand

33:30

people a year, and we

33:32

don't think that's an epidemic. How

33:34

many officers dead will

33:37

it take before cases like this

33:39

are treated as murder. What

33:42

about a Virginia police officer

33:45

dragged along on a traffic stop?

33:47

Take a listen to cut twelve. This is Chelsea Donoman

33:50

w T k Art News three, January

33:52

twenty third, twenty twenty end

33:54

of watch for Officer Katie Thine.

33:57

As we go forward and

34:00

days will be challenging, fighting

34:02

back tears, A raw, unfiltered

34:04

Chief Steve Drew remembers a twenty

34:06

four year old full of life and spirit.

34:09

If you ever met her, if you ever saw her, all

34:12

she did with smile, you'd almost start to laugh

34:14

at her because she was always smiling. A

34:16

bright, shining light who was sworn

34:18

in just last June, Catherine.

34:22

She proudly wore her badge until Thursday

34:24

night, when she was killed in the line

34:26

of duty while making a traffic stop. She

34:28

wanted to be in law enforcement, and she wanted to do it

34:30

in the city. Reports of drugs near

34:32

monitor Merrimac Overlooked Park prompted

34:34

two officers to respond. Fine

34:37

being one the officers approached

34:39

the driver within a split second tragedy.

34:42

As the driver hit the gas she

34:44

was drug outside the vehicle for

34:47

about a block. The vehicle

34:49

came to rest as it smashed into a tree.

34:52

Another motor cop

34:54

dragged along. Officers

34:56

then are not in their car,

34:59

They're not sitting behind a desk,

35:01

they're not inside of a structure.

35:03

They are out in the elements, doing

35:05

their job, and they die. When

35:08

you hear this woman Jessica

35:10

Bouvo's podcast ranting

35:13

about how much she hates the cops,

35:15

how much she wants them dead, comparing

35:18

them to roaches infesting

35:21

her neighborhood, then goes right

35:23

out and runs one down

35:26

and then blubbers and cries about

35:28

it for the TV cameras. I'm not buying

35:30

that you just heard about yet

35:32

another cop dragged at

35:35

the scene. Well, that was in Florida.

35:38

Take a listen to this. We're getting

35:40

our first look tonight at body camera footage

35:42

of a New or Police lieutenant being dragged

35:44

during a traffic stop in Brooklyn. The cop talking

35:47

to a driver just before four this morning in the

35:49

Brownsville section. Suddenly the car takes off

35:51

in reverse, the cop with injuries to

35:53

his arms and his legs. Police later arrested

35:55

thirty two year old DAKEM. Newsom on

35:57

Long Island. That's Bill Rider, ABC

36:00

seven. Oh yeah, and by the way, he was recently

36:02

arrested in North Carolina and extradited

36:04

back for a prior shooting

36:07

and was released on bail

36:12

too. And can I interject something please

36:14

do? Is that doctor Kendall Crowns. I was just about to

36:16

ask you about

36:18

her body weight and being point

36:20

one five she looks very slight, But

36:23

go ahead with your thought please. Well,

36:25

it's just so listening to the

36:27

video and her rant about the law

36:29

enforcement, and then you

36:31

know, very shortly thereafter, she

36:34

ends up killing an officer. The thing

36:36

the problem I have is is if you take

36:38

the car out of the equation and turn it

36:40

into a gun and she goes and shoots an officer,

36:43

he would call it homicide. I still

36:45

feel like a car is a weapon and you

36:48

can use it to kill people. So to

36:50

me, listening to her video and her vial

36:53

and hatred that

36:55

she's spewing about law enforcement and then

36:57

an officer ends up dead shortly thereafter.

37:00

Yes, I understand she's intoxicated, but

37:02

often, you know, alcohol gives you liquid

37:04

courage, so you end up doing something dumb

37:07

or something you wouldn't

37:09

have done otherwise. So to me,

37:11

it's it's difficult to separate that case

37:13

and just say oh, well, it's an accident. It's

37:15

almost to me it sounds like a homicide. Of

37:19

course, I don't know how the medical examiner in New York

37:22

signed it out, but it's very

37:24

questionable if you could rule that an accident,

37:26

because it's very disturbing

37:30

timeline. And again I say, if you remove

37:32

the car, put in a gun, people

37:34

would call it a homicide all day long. But

37:37

because it's a car, it gets kind

37:39

of in some people feel, oh, well, you know, her

37:41

intention probably wasn't to kill him. You

37:44

got to wonder, with all that she's saying on that

37:46

video if her intention was not

37:48

to hit an officer because obviously they were

37:50

out there, Obviously there was lights and that

37:53

people moving around. And yes, I understand

37:55

she's heavily intoxicated, but

37:57

still you got to wonder if she

38:00

and intentionally hit him. Nancy

38:02

cannot please hold on just for a moment,

38:04

Doctor Kennel. Crown's chief Medical Examiner,

38:07

Austin, you're preaching to

38:09

the choir, and I

38:11

must say I have to say this, Nancy. That

38:13

is something I never thought of, but that really

38:17

wow. He's right to him MCU and he's

38:19

absolutely right. We've

38:21

heard of death by Mercedes

38:23

where the dentist wife rode over the dentist

38:25

and then backed up over him and killed him. We've

38:28

heard of it so many times, and

38:30

we also know legally

38:32

reasoning that voluntary

38:35

use of drugs or alcohol is not a

38:38

defense. So why is it

38:40

that a vehicular homicide

38:43

duy is treated

38:45

so much, almost like an involuntary

38:48

manslaughter. If drinking and

38:50

dope is not a defense

38:52

under the law, then why is

38:54

this treated differently when your

38:57

weapon is a car and

38:59

not gun. What were you saying, cherylmnna

39:01

call him? I was saying, He's absolutely

39:03

right, Nancy, because if you said we have a

39:06

rape, he can't say, hey, I was drunk,

39:08

or if you have any other situation where somebody

39:11

is killed a dry by shooting, Hey we were just smoking

39:13

weed. We didn't mean to kill anybody. Doesn't matter.

39:15

It's murder right here.

39:18

It's this twisted, bastardizing

39:20

of what should be moral and right and legal.

39:23

The fact that you're drunk now almost

39:26

not murder. As

39:29

one family prepares

39:32

for a funeral for

39:35

a husband, a father, this

39:39

woman is preparing her death

39:41

dancing. You better bet your bottom dollar

39:44

that podcast will be coming

39:46

into evidence, and do not plead

39:48

this out cheap. As a

39:51

matter of fact, I call for an enhancement

39:53

of the charges. We are watching

39:57

Nancy Grace Kids story, signing off goodbye,