0:05

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How

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do two people deeply in love

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end up dead? And their ocean

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front mansion and Surf

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City Crime

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Stories with Nancy Grace. Take

0:35

a listen to our friends at crime

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online dot com. This is Jackie Howard

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cut One. His name is John, but

0:42

people called him Jack. Her name

0:44

was Francois, but she answered to Frenchie.

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The two met nearly twenty years ago, introduced

0:50

by a mutual friend, and they hit it off.

0:52

Jack Enders was a widower and Frenchie

0:54

Patoy, a divorcee. Enders

0:57

an Air Force veteran of the Korean War, love

0:59

the water, boating and fishing. He

1:01

used his mechanical engineering degree to build

1:03

homes. Enders was a mason

1:05

who loved to cook and decorate his refrigerator

1:08

with artwork from his neighbor's grandchildren.

1:11

Frenchie but Toy was known as a dynamo

1:13

with style. She had a hat

1:15

to match nearly every outfit and loved

1:17

rhinestones. But Toy worked as

1:19

a nursing home Alzheimer's specialist

1:21

and served the Surf City Volunteer Fire Departments

1:24

Women Auxiliary by visiting the

1:26

firefighters angling relatives. Wow

1:29

a war vet with a girlfriend who

1:31

loves hats with every outfit

1:33

and rhinestones. I

1:35

would love to meet these two, but we'll

1:37

never get the chance. They're dead,

1:40

found dead in their oceanfront and mansion. They're

1:42

in Surf City. What

1:45

do we know about this couple? What

1:47

do we know about their death? Again?

1:50

Thanks for being with us here at Crime Stories.

1:52

Let me introduce you an all star panel to

1:55

break it down and put it back together again

1:57

with me. Jason Campo, Chief Prosecute

2:00

joining us from Cameron County, Texas. Five

2:02

years in the DA's Office Family Violence Unit.

2:05

Doctor Alan Blocky, PhD.

2:08

Forensics psychologists, joining us out of

2:10

Birmingham, specializing in criminal

2:13

cases, and boy do we need him?

2:16

Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University.

2:18

An author of Blood Beneath My Feet

2:20

on Amazon, star of a new hit

2:23

series Body Bags with

2:25

Joe Scott Morgan on iHeart, But for

2:27

a straight out to Crime Online dot Com investigative

2:30

reporter Jacqueline Gray. Jacqueline,

2:33

thank you for being with us. Tell me about

2:35

the ocean front mansion that they

2:38

shared in Surf City.

2:40

What is Surf City? It's that a tourist

2:43

destination? Is it a quiet

2:45

town beside the water? What is it. But

2:48

like you said, Surf City is a large

2:50

tourist attraction. They

2:52

only have about a thousand people's

2:55

population, and it's only a mile and a half

2:57

long. But it's situated right

2:59

on the Atlantic and it's about

3:01

a half hour from Atlantic City,

3:04

and tourists usually go there mainly

3:07

to serve look at attractions.

3:09

They don't have a boardwalk, so it's a lot of home

3:12

embarking a borough in

3:15

Ocean City. It's what

3:17

I understand is a population. It's only twelve

3:20

hundred people, twelve

3:23

hundred five, down

3:25

from fourteen forty two. But

3:27

catch this. Even at its

3:29

coldest, it's only fifty

3:32

three degrees. Population

3:34

twelve hundred and seventy one.

3:37

Wow, I'm looking at all these beautiful

3:40

ocean shots. It sounds

3:42

like a beautiful place to live for this

3:45

couple. Now, one is a widower,

3:47

one is a divorcee. Joe

3:49

Scott Morgan, It matters, It

3:52

matters, you know. You hear real estate people

3:54

say all the time, location, location, Location.

3:57

We say that in crime too, Joe Scott, Why

3:59

yeah, we do, Nancy, And we begin

4:01

to think about who

4:04

in the world would have wanted

4:06

to do harm to this couple.

4:08

You know they lived this kind of becolic life. They're

4:11

you know, enjoying themselves out there on the waterfront.

4:14

Who would want to bring harm to these

4:16

people and visit literally hell upon them

4:18

in this beautiful location. Straight

4:21

out to Jason Campo, chief Prosecutor,

4:23

joining us out of Cameron County, Texas. Jason,

4:26

you wonder at and we're about to get into the brutal

4:28

nature of the murders. But they were

4:31

living in at one point nine million dollar

4:34

mansion. I could think of a lot

4:36

of people that would ride by that mansion

4:38

and this wealthy enclave and think, Wow,

4:41

I thought I could score a big screen TV

4:43

out of there. I mean, you know what I'm thinking

4:45

of it. We're getting up

4:47

on Christmas time, and no

4:50

Christmas at our house is complete without

4:52

of course the night

4:54

before Christmas with Kermit,

4:57

but all the home

4:59

alone, all of them,

5:01

they have to be watched over and over and

5:03

over leading up to Christmas. And

5:06

do you remember the two

5:10

burglars that did everything wrong? I think

5:12

one was Joe Passy, and they

5:15

would ride by these mansions

5:19

and the smart one pass You would

5:21

go stocks and bonds,

5:24

jewels, artwork, all

5:27

the things he thought he was going

5:29

to take out of Acauli Culkin's

5:31

Home. Do you remember that? I do remember

5:33

it, That's what right when I was growing

5:36

up too, so I saw all those movies

5:38

and unfortunately, you know, people

5:40

moved to these I don't know what you're talking about. According

5:42

to me, I wasn't born them. But go ahead, these

5:45

move you know, these little towns. People moved

5:48

there to be safe, and but people

5:50

see them as marks, especially these

5:52

exclusive little communities

5:54

where all the houses are worth millions

5:56

of dollars and everybody lives

5:59

a lavish lifeld in people's eyes

6:01

and they think maybe it'll be a great

6:03

quick score for them. You know what's interesting

6:06

is you've got this guy, the victim,

6:09

Jack Enders, and his

6:11

girlfriend, Frenchie Pitoy, and

6:15

they have worked their whole life,

6:17

their whole life. He's a World War

6:19

vet, she's still working.

6:22

It's not like they were born with the silver

6:25

spoons stuck in their mouth. It's

6:27

not like that. But I

6:29

think you're right. And in these little enclaves,

6:33

people aren't used to crime. They

6:35

may leave their doors unlocked, they may not have

6:38

a home alarm, they may

6:40

leave their cars unlocked because

6:43

they're just not used to

6:45

violent crime and perps

6:48

are like predators, Jason

6:50

Campo and I always compare it to the hyena

6:54

or the jackal out on the savannah,

6:56

and you've got the beautiful gazelle

6:59

grazing or drinking

7:01

at the water hole, and they're just

7:03

waiting to close in, and they only

7:06

have to get one the slowest,

7:08

the weakest. So I

7:11

think you're right that perps drive

7:14

along and they see these homes and

7:16

they imagine everything

7:18

they're going to be able to steal. But what happens

7:20

when you go in and

7:23

the people are home, Jason, That's

7:25

how it always escalates, right. You always

7:27

think, oh, maybe this house is dark, it's in

7:29

the middle of the night, they'll be in bed or something,

7:31

and we can get in and get out. And

7:33

then it's always what they say,

7:36

best laid plans go astray, and there's

7:38

never a lot of thought process behind

7:41

these types of crimes when they're breaking

7:43

into houses like that. Take a listen to our cut

7:45

to from our friends at Crime Online.

7:47

Frenchie Ptoy's daughter and son in law, who

7:49

live in Virginia Beach, hadn't heard from Frenchy

7:52

and was unable to contact her, so

7:54

Valerie Lewis Evans asked to serve City

7:56

police for a wellness check. Officers

7:59

approach the home and see through a rear window

8:01

what appears to be the body of a deceased

8:04

male sitting in a brown recliner on

8:06

the first floor. As officers approached

8:08

the front, they spot another body on the stairs

8:10

leading down to the living area. As

8:13

police continue their search, they find

8:15

blood in several areas throughout the home,

8:17

as well as a bloody footprint and shoeprints,

8:20

a discarded rubber glove on the stairs,

8:22

and blood on a fence post in the backyard.

8:25

Jack Enders and Frenchie Buttoy had been

8:27

dead for at least five days. We are

8:29

talking about the brutal murtyrs

8:32

of the World War Vet and his girlfriend

8:34

Frenchie, who loves rhine stems

8:37

and hats to match every outfit. You

8:39

know, what a joy for living. That

8:42

tells me she had but her life

8:44

cut short and in a brutal way.

8:47

What happened to them exactly? Listen

8:49

to this autopsy. Details show the murders

8:51

were brutal. Jack Enders had been stabbed

8:54

multiple times and beaten about the

8:56

face and head. His right carrottid artery

8:58

severed point was also stabbed,

9:01

but she was shot in the face. That

9:03

finding prompted the medical examiner to look

9:06

at Ender's body again. Both

9:08

adults had been shot in the face with a handgun.

9:10

I don't know if you caught that, but I

9:13

was listening and I thought, oh, one person

9:15

was stabbed and the other shot. That'sen years.

9:17

You old to have two different emos at

9:20

the same crime scene. And

9:22

it alerted authorities as well

9:25

when they were looking at the facts, and they asked them to look

9:27

again, and sure enough, themos were

9:29

the same. Crime

9:41

stories with Nancy Grace Jacqueline

9:45

Gray joining me from crime online dot Com.

9:47

Jacqueline tell me about the

9:49

cops arriving and what they found.

9:51

The cops arrived to a pretty

9:54

much a bluesome scene. Once they went inside, there

9:57

was a lot all over the house. Hey,

10:00

jaque, wait a minute. So my

10:03

understanding is the cops get there and they look

10:05

in the window and they see

10:07

somebody sitting in an

10:10

easy chair. Is that right? Yeah,

10:12

that's correct. They did. They saw John

10:15

sitting in a chair. I

10:17

want to tell you what somebody said, Jacqueline that's

10:19

familiar with this and we were talking about the case, said

10:21

it was just like in the movies. The movies

10:24

are just like in real life. This is

10:26

not just like the movies where you

10:28

look in and you see a person

10:30

sitting there seemingly watching TV, and

10:32

then you go in and look at them and they're dead. This

10:36

is the real thing. The movies

10:38

are like this. This is not like

10:40

the movies, Jacqueline Gray. So they look

10:42

in, they see somebody sitting kicks back

10:44

in an easy chair, and then what happens. So they

10:48

look and they see somebody in the chair

10:51

and start to look, and there's

10:54

bloods in the house. And they

10:56

go in and they look. There's blood. They

10:58

find John's body, and

11:00

they find another body

11:02

on the stairs, which is Frenchy.

11:05

And they know that not only the blood but

11:08

a discarded blood on

11:10

the stairs as well, and

11:12

not only with their blood inside

11:15

the home, but there's also blood on

11:17

a fence near the presidence

11:19

where they obviously were trying to get out through that

11:21

fence. I think it was in the backyard.

11:24

And that also indicates to me, to

11:26

you, Joseph's got more gunned. That Frenchy,

11:29

the girlfriend was trying to get

11:31

away by going up the stairs, would

11:33

be my guess. Yeah,

11:36

I think that you're probably right. Trying to flee away

11:38

from danger, put as much distance between yourself

11:41

and this attacker. You know, when

11:43

I hear about this, Nancy, A lot

11:45

of folks that have never been out on a case that involves

11:49

a sharp horse injury like stab wound. They

11:51

don't understand how complicated

11:53

and layered a cases like this. For

11:56

every insult, every little injury

11:58

that occurs to a body create a

12:00

hole in the body of defect, as we call

12:02

it. Blood begins to leak out of that

12:05

area. And when you have two individuals

12:07

that are attacked like this, you get what's called

12:09

commingling a blood. So you have to you

12:12

don't know what's what here. You know you're

12:14

looking for bloody footprints, You're looking for bloody

12:16

handprints. They even talking about a glove

12:18

here. Ooh ooh. You just reminded

12:20

me of another case with a glove in the front yard.

12:23

Remember Tara Grinstead. Oh

12:26

yeah, in Georgia in the case when unsoft

12:28

for so many years and some person

12:31

left a glove in the frontyard.

12:34

I mean, people

12:36

think, oh, I'm gonna wear a glove so I don't

12:38

leave fingerprints. But what an

12:40

idiot to leave the glove behind because

12:43

your prints are on the inside

12:45

of the glove sometimes,

12:48

but sadly not always.

12:50

Guys, take a listen to our cut five. This

12:52

is our friend Trish Hartman six

12:54

ABC. They were great

12:57

together. She could care less what

13:00

he had or if he didn't have. They were membering

13:02

for each other. John Gophez lives in Surf

13:04

City on Long Beach Island, a few doors

13:06

down from the home of John Enders, which

13:08

he shared with Francois Patoy. Gophas

13:11

says, they've been together for nineteen years,

13:13

and we're better known as Jack and French,

13:15

eating out back washed the

13:17

setting sun. French out there on the

13:19

deck. This bayfront home on North seventh

13:22

Street was where the bodies of the couple were discovered

13:24

on October third. I'm thinking about

13:26

that, these two seniors

13:29

having been together nearly twenty years,

13:33

sitting on their back porch looking

13:36

out at the ocean, and

13:39

it reminds me of my mom and

13:41

dad. After they retired.

13:44

They worked so hard their whole

13:46

lives, and they

13:49

built a screen

13:51

in porch, and they

13:53

didn't have an ocean to look at, but they had the backyard,

13:57

and my dad and mom worked so

13:59

hard in that yard. They had to have a

14:02

bird fountain. Many tears.

14:04

That was my father's pride and joy. He

14:07

built with his own hands a

14:09

patio, laid it beautifully, and

14:12

a little brick walkway to it. And

14:15

they have beautiful palmetto bushes,

14:17

all sorts of bushes,

14:20

flowers, trees. They

14:23

built a beautiful brick fence

14:25

along the back and all

14:27

the plants would grow up against it. My point

14:30

is they would sit out there

14:33

and have coffee and

14:35

turn on the ceiling fan and look

14:38

out into the backyard. And

14:40

after all their decades

14:43

of hard work putting us

14:45

through college, they got to

14:47

sit back and look

14:49

at the backyard. And I'm just imagining

14:53

Jack Enders and Friendship at Toy

14:56

sitting on their back deck

14:59

looking out of the ocean. They're

15:01

hard labors done and

15:05

just enjoying the

15:08

golden years of their life and

15:11

loving life. And their neighbors love

15:13

them. Two wonderful

15:17

people, still volunteering

15:19

and doing good work. Who

15:23

would come in like a wolf

15:27

and just destroy

15:29

them this way?

15:32

Take a listen again, This is our cut. Six

15:35

is Trish Hartman at six ABC.

15:38

John Gophers says Enders had recently

15:40

decided to sell the Surf City home. The crime

15:42

shocked the community on LBI Katoy

15:45

was a member of the Surf City Fire Company

15:47

Women's Auxiliary, and a memorial

15:49

on social media they called her an active

15:51

and much loved member of our organization.

15:54

John Gophers says he misses his friends

15:56

and hopes for closure. Trail

16:00

Will wouldn't

16:03

the whole neighbors, the whole neighborhood,

16:05

all the neighbors in shock when

16:08

this loving senior couple

16:10

just just hatchetted

16:12

down. You know, I'm looking at

16:14

the way they were killed. Joe Scott Morgan

16:17

And typically when a burglar

16:20

comes in and I want to go to you on this, doctor

16:22

Alan Blockey and Jason Campo, I

16:25

prosecuted so many burglaries, but

16:29

my analysis is not anecdotal,

16:31

in other words, based on an anecdote or a

16:34

story. It's statistics

16:36

that route this story.

16:39

Typically, when burglars come in

16:41

your home to steal your TV or

16:44

whatever they want to steal, and they realize

16:47

somebody's home, typically they

16:49

leave. I'm

16:52

very rarely will they attack

16:54

the person, because that's not really

16:57

why they're there. The whole burglary

17:00

phenomena, Doctor Alan Blockkey,

17:02

it's it's a mental

17:04

thing, like a peeping tom. It's

17:07

something up here that they want they're

17:10

voyeuristic. A burglar actually

17:12

likes going in to somebody's

17:15

house and creeping around. They

17:18

like going in the idea I've

17:20

got. You know, when you go in somebody else's house, and

17:23

it's a lot different when you're invited in for

17:25

like a party or a dinner or something, as

17:27

opposed to somebody says, hey, can you go over and

17:29

feed my dog? When I'm out of town and you go

17:31

over and they're not home, it's

17:34

kind of an eerie, freaky feeling.

17:37

I don't want to go look through their stuff. I don't

17:39

want to go anywhere but to feed the dog

17:41

and leave because it's too I

17:43

don't know. There's something eerie about it

17:45

to me, going in somebody else's home when

17:48

they're not there, But burglars

17:52

love it, and it's hard

17:54

to stop a burglar. Now,

17:56

Blockkey, I know you're the

17:58

PhD, just an MD. I'm

18:01

just a JD. But I can tell you this. I've

18:05

noticed that sex offenders, specifically

18:08

child molesters and rapists, they don't

18:10

get rehabbed. I don't care what you want to tell

18:12

me. Burglars don't

18:15

get rehabbed. Those

18:18

are two criminals,

18:21

and I guess I gotta throw a habitual violators,

18:23

drunk drivers, they can't

18:26

get rehabbed. I don't care what stat

18:28

you want to tell me or what PhD up

18:30

at Harvard University says something

18:33

about burglars they can't stop themselves.

18:35

But why kill Blockkey?

18:37

Well, I guess the only time that burglar

18:39

would kill is if they're surprised. If

18:44

they think they're cornered and there's no way for

18:46

them to get out, they will strike out.

18:48

Oh you mean like a door, the same

18:51

door they came in on. Yeah, exactly. They

18:53

can't take the patent turner Patton Street and

18:55

turn a corner, right, sad

18:57

situation to me? That the interesting

19:00

thing is that this man was found in his recliner,

19:03

Doctor Blocky, You're right. If

19:05

the burglar had been just

19:08

surprised by seeing him there and

19:10

his recliner, for all I know, he could have snuck

19:13

out the same way snuck in and

19:15

the victim would never have even known he

19:18

was there. Right, And he certainly wasn't

19:20

a threat, Doctor Block, I hadn't thought of that.

19:36

Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Jason

19:41

Campo. Did you hear what doctor Allen Block He just said?

19:43

He's right and back me up on this

19:45

thing about burglars. There's something totally

19:47

freaky about them. You know, this

19:49

is one of those crimes where once you get

19:52

that taste of it, I think you can never

19:54

stop doing it because there's no way to replace

19:56

it, right Like you you don't just normally

19:59

go into somebody else his house and then just

20:01

walk around and leave without taking something. So

20:03

they're always looking for that again. I think they get

20:05

some kind of a thrill for it. And

20:07

then not only him and his recliner,

20:10

but her being found on the stairs. That means

20:12

they either chased her up the stairs

20:15

or she was coming down the stairs when she

20:17

heard a noise and they still went up the stairs

20:19

to meet her, right So that shows that they weren't

20:21

looking for an exit. You know another

20:25

thing it could be, and I think doctor

20:27

Blockee was walking all

20:29

around this. Doctor Blocky,

20:31

you were saying something about why

20:35

Jack Enders had

20:38

to be killed and not just him,

20:41

his girlfriend, Frenchie

20:43

Patoy, Francois Frenchie

20:46

Patoy. You

20:48

said something about maybe they could identify.

20:51

Is that what you were saying the defendant? That

20:54

is what I was saying, fairly suggesting We've

20:57

got a really good point you

21:00

know another interesting thing that Jason

21:02

Campo was just saying, doctor Blocky is

21:05

instead of just all right, let's just

21:07

say, let's just hypothesize

21:10

they got surprised by

21:12

Jack in his easy chair.

21:15

What if he sat up and looked around? Why

21:19

didn't they if they felt they had to kill him,

21:21

kill him and leave. Why did they then

21:24

chase Frenchie up

21:27

the stairs to murder

21:29

her right there on the stairs. Yeah,

21:32

you would have thought a burglar would have

21:34

gotten out of there as quickly as possible,

21:38

a sap not

21:40

chase the second person. Yeah, you're

21:42

right, why chase her down? Exactly?

21:46

Two? Just got Morgan. Jackie

21:48

here in the studio is reminding me. There

21:51

was blood upstairs and

21:54

downstairs, not just on

21:56

the stairs where Frenchy

21:58

was killed, but upstairs

22:00

too. That tells me after they killed

22:03

her, they went around, They

22:05

went around the home, leaving

22:08

blood trail. Yeah, blood trails

22:10

is correct, Nancy. Bloody footprints,

22:12

bloody shoeprints. That means that they traps

22:14

through this blood. There had been a blood

22:17

letting, they walked through it, and they weren't

22:19

paying enough at tension to realize what they were

22:21

doing, leaving those traces behind and

22:23

you can literally track the people through

22:25

here. And then you know, seemingly they

22:28

just take a club off Nancy

22:30

that they're using to hide their identity,

22:32

I guess, and leave it behind. It sounds

22:35

very very disorganized to me. Is

22:37

that or sloppy either they didn't

22:39

realize they had left it. You know, multiple

22:43

obvious stab wounds

22:45

when cops got there at

22:48

four pm on a Sunday afternoon. You

22:50

know that quiet feeling that comes over

22:52

on Sunday afternoons. The

22:54

cops are there, everything's quiet,

22:57

The cops say, quote it was read

23:00

apparent they were deceased. They

23:03

didn't have to rush over and see if there was a pulse.

23:05

They knew. The cops knew multiple

23:08

stab wounds according

23:11

to police. That's telling me

23:13

something right there, Joe Scott Morgan,

23:15

what do you want to kill him ten times over? Stab

23:18

him that many times? You remember Jody Arius how

23:20

she stabbed Travis

23:22

Alexander, her lover. Oh,

23:25

let's say, I think it's about twenty nine times, and

23:27

then capped him in the head with a gun. Yeah,

23:29

she did. She murdered him

23:31

about twenty times

23:34

over with all the stab wounds to the torso

23:37

and then shooting him in the head. Why

23:40

murder these two nine

23:43

times over? Yeah? I know. And

23:45

when you think about this Nancy, this was particularly

23:47

brutal because there were noted

23:50

three different types of injuries. We've

23:52

got a gunshot wound, we've got stab wounds,

23:54

and let's don't forget, there was

23:56

also blunt force trauma. This poor

23:59

man had been in the face that

24:01

you know, for me as a death investigator,

24:03

when I see that's that's very personal.

24:06

You're sending a message with that

24:08

that indicates that there was a lot of hatred

24:11

towards this individual, of anger, a lot

24:13

of anger. Yep. Rage. It may

24:15

not be anger toward him, but rage and anger,

24:18

yes, and you know the injury.

24:20

One of the really important things to

24:22

note here is that the articles specifically

24:25

talk about his karated

24:28

vessel was cut. Now, the karated,

24:30

Nancy is very deep in the neck. It's

24:32

not like the juggler vein, it's kind of external.

24:34

That karated is very deep. They

24:37

really had to take this knife and go deep inside

24:39

the tissue in order to do that. So that gives

24:41

you an up close and personal idea

24:43

as to what's happening. And then on top of

24:45

this, you're going to strike this man in the face.

24:48

I think I'd like to know what

24:51

those patterns reveal with the strikes the

24:53

blunt force trauma. Did he get pistol

24:55

whipped or were these closed

24:57

hand hits blunt force? He

25:00

was sustained. The investigation

25:03

launches full on

25:06

to find out he murdered Jack

25:09

Enders and his longtime love

25:11

Franchipatoy take a listen

25:14

to our cup four our friends at crime

25:16

Online, and affidavit of the investigation

25:18

says surveillance cameras on the Long Beach

25:20

Island Bridge captured footage of a

25:22

two thousand and three four Winnebago,

25:24

a twenty eight foot RV before dawn

25:27

around four forty three am. That

25:29

same Winnebago is captured ten minutes

25:31

later by a ring doorbell camera pulling

25:34

up to the Enders home. An hour

25:36

later, the vehicle is recorded again heading

25:38

away from the home with its lights off. But

25:41

that's not the only video recorded.

25:43

At five fifty three, someone in oversized

25:45

clothing can be seen walking along

25:48

Seventh Street, where the couple lived. Then

25:50

at six forty two, in the backyard

25:52

of the Ender property, a person holding

25:55

an orange bag climbs over a fence

25:57

into a neighboring yard. A minute

25:59

later, and Exfinity camera spots

26:01

someone walking again, this time

26:03

on sixth Street. The individual

26:06

is determined to be about five feet eight inches

26:08

tall. Two hours after the RB

26:10

arrived on Long Beach Island, it's seemed

26:12

again traveling back across the bridge

26:14

off the island. A license plate

26:17

reader at the entrance to the Garden State Parkway

26:19

captures the RBS registration number.

26:22

Wow, that was a lot of information.

26:24

Jacqueline Gray, crimal line dot Com investigative

26:27

reporter. Let me understand this. The

26:29

getaway car was a Winnebago

26:31

RV. Yes, it was an RV, which

26:34

is probably one of the words. Okay,

26:37

you don't see that very often, Jacqueline,

26:39

Not too often does

26:42

the killer drive up at an RV

26:45

and that's the getaway car. And

26:47

then they're wearing oversized

26:49

clothes. What does

26:51

that mean? Are they trying to disguise themselves? Is

26:53

that all they have? Why?

26:56

But in a neighborhood like this, you can bet

26:58

your bottom dollar a lot of people are going to

27:00

have ring or doorbell.

27:03

Kim's like a ring. There's going to be surveillance.

27:06

They one surveillance

27:09

catches a person on seventh one surveillance

27:11

catches them on six one surveillance.

27:13

Somebody else's catches them climbing over the

27:15

back fence, but nobody can

27:18

make a yes and

27:20

a bridge, so nobody's

27:23

able to make an ID. But that

27:26

is just way off, doctor

27:28

Alan Blocky. Now, I don't know why,

27:31

but I can tell you this much. I've never seen

27:33

a getaway in an RV,

27:36

a Winnebago, a big honk and Winnebago

27:39

has got to tell you something, Block keep it what?

27:42

Yeah, Well, I guess immediately it tells

27:44

me it's probably not a burglary, right,

27:46

he tells me it's not a professional Winnebago.

27:50

Well, I don't know. If they drive up in a Winnebago

27:52

hoping to clear the whole house out of

27:54

all the electronics, all the furniture,

27:56

everything, could do

27:58

that. It's like pulling up in a moving van.

28:01

But it also tells me this is

28:04

not a pro This is not

28:06

a burglar that you

28:08

know has ever done this before. I mean using

28:11

a Winnebago. Jason Campo, you ever seen

28:13

a Winnebago an RV

28:15

as a getaway, I've never seen it. They

28:18

definitely were not expecting a high speed chase

28:20

afterwards. So it

28:22

was. It tells me maybe

28:24

that they thought that this is a vehicle that

28:26

would blend in more since it is an affluent

28:29

neighborhood. Maybe a vehicle moving around

28:31

early in the morning is something

28:33

that they have seen before

28:35

as people start to leave for the winner. Oh

28:37

no, Jason, I

28:40

mean I would remember

28:43

a Winnebago. There

28:45

are two that park in our neighborhood,

28:48

one on the street of some and

28:50

it comes periodically, so I guess it's out

28:52

of town family. It's awesome. It's

28:55

a stream. It's an airstream or stream,

28:57

one of those silver ones, and

29:00

it's so neat and I love to RV and camp,

29:02

so always look at it. And then

29:04

there's a really big one

29:06

that shows up further down the street

29:09

around holidays, So I guess

29:11

that's family coming in for holidays,

29:13

and they park right in front of the house

29:15

by the front door. I guess that they can run in

29:17

and out. So I noticed

29:19

them because I'm a little envious.

29:23

But I would notice and RV okay,

29:26

and so would everybody else that saw it. Prime

29:40

Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm

29:44

wanting you to take a listen to

29:47

something else we discover. Take a

29:49

listen to our cut eleven,

29:52

when police arrived at Pepernin's home, a

29:54

car scene leaving the property, will stopped

29:57

Joseph Heverernin, Sherry's sun was

29:59

driving, according to Belize, without prompting,

30:01

he started talking about his grandfather's

30:03

death. Joseph Heffernan said he

30:06

had not seen his grandfather in six months

30:08

since his May graduation. In a

30:10

recorded interview, he said that family relations

30:12

were strained because Sherry Lee Heffernan

30:14

thought her father's nearly twenty year companion

30:17

was a gold digger who was pressuring enders

30:19

to sell the beach house. Okay,

30:21

Jason Campo, Usually

30:24

when you think of a gold digger, you

30:27

think of some sexy, skippily

30:30

dressed woman going after

30:32

a ninety five year old guy

30:34

who's, let me just imagine,

30:39

steering his own yacht somewhere

30:41

and one of those captain's outfits. That's what

30:43

I think of as a gold digger, not

30:45

an elderly woman frenchie

30:49

patoy who likes to bedazzle

30:51

her clothes and wear different hats.

30:54

And also that's some scheme.

30:56

Wouldn't you say she's in it for the long game. I

30:58

mean, she's been dating this guy. She's been with him for twenty

31:01

years, and so now

31:03

after twenty years, she's gonna

31:05

cash in when he sells the house. That's

31:08

that's a lot of premeditation, Jason,

31:10

twenty years definitely not your typical

31:12

imo for a gold digger, right, and

31:15

they were roughly the same age. They

31:17

also don't generally volunteer at

31:20

the fire department or with Alzheimer's

31:23

patients. She does

31:25

not fit the typical profile

31:28

of what you would think of when you think of a

31:30

gold digger. Gold digger, those

31:33

are not the words I would have chosen to describe

31:35

frenchie. No way. Okay,

31:38

it's the plot, Thickens. Take a listen to our cut ten.

31:40

Close friends of the couple tell police that Ender

31:43

had decided to sell his family home

31:45

with twenty five hundred square feet, six

31:47

bedrooms and four baths. The home

31:50

was listed at one point nine billion dollars.

31:52

Sherry Lee Haffernan, a real estate agent

31:54

licensed in New Jersey and Maryland, told

31:56

her father that she wanted to be the broker,

31:59

but Haffernan had been estranged from her

32:01

father for the past few years. Family

32:03

friends say Heffernan refused to accept his

32:05

phone calls, returned letters, unopened

32:08

and email when unanswered. Once

32:10

the house was to be put on the market, Ender's friends

32:12

say Heffernan started reaching out to Frenchie,

32:15

Ender did not let her sell the house, that

32:18

police say is believed to be why the couple

32:20

was killed. The friend also told police

32:22

that Enders had recently amended his living

32:24

will and that Heffernan and Ender's

32:27

other daughter were no longer included.

32:29

Mmm, you

32:32

know, what what is it

32:35

with rich people? You

32:37

know, Joe Scott Morgan, rich

32:40

people, And here's the

32:42

old man worked his whole life.

32:45

War Vette Frenchie, his girlfriend in twenty

32:47

years, worked her whole I'm still working.

32:51

And their children are

32:53

angry that they're not getting

32:56

the house. I mean really,

32:59

Yeah, you think about this and this life

33:01

that they've lived, and listen, you have to

33:03

imagine that they've probably provided

33:06

a pretty good life for these

33:08

kids, provided a good enough life so that they

33:10

feel comfortable to act like a spoiled

33:12

brat at the end and even

33:15

into their middle years of their

33:17

life, they're still petulant little children

33:19

that you're gonna go and you're going to attack these people

33:21

in brutalize them. And Nancy, I've been on a

33:23

lot of a lot of homicides in my

33:25

career, but I gotta tell you these familial

33:27

homicides like this, they turn

33:29

into an absolute blood bath. It's

33:32

savage, absolute savage. A love

33:35

of money the root of

33:37

all evil. Take a looks of our cut seven

33:40

CBS three Philly. A woman has

33:43

been arrested after the bodies of

33:45

two people were discovered inside of a home

33:48

and Surf City, New Jersey. Sherry

33:50

Hoffernan of Landenburg, Pennsylvania

33:53

is basing two counts of murder in

33:56

connection with the deaths of her father, John

33:59

Enders and his living girlfriend,

34:01

Prince Wap Pittoy. The

34:03

eighty seven year old and seventy five year

34:05

old were found dead inside of a home on North

34:07

at Seventh Avenue yesterday afternoon. Investigators

34:10

say both were stabbed multiple times.

34:13

Eighty seven. So my father was

34:15

when he passed away, he went to heaven and

34:17

at the end. I

34:20

remember one time we were at the beach.

34:22

I had to carry my father on my

34:25

back to get back into

34:28

the rental. He could hardly

34:30

walk. There's an eighty

34:32

seven year old man and a seventy

34:34

five year old girlfriend, stabbed,

34:38

beaten, and this

34:40

is why the defendant, Shirley Hefferman's

34:44

arrested. Take a listen to the

34:47

rest of what the grandson said,

34:50

not under questioning, but Vallin

34:52

teered. He went on to tell police that his

34:55

mother left home to visit her father the week

34:57

before, describing the trip as a

34:59

midnight as saying he was worried

35:01

about what happened. Heffernan allegedly

35:04

said his mother was the only person to drive

35:06

the RV in the last two weeks, and

35:08

I can't believe she did this. Under

35:10

a search warrant on the Winnebago, police found

35:13

red staining on the carpet, appearing

35:15

to be consistent with dried blood. Okay,

35:17

Jason Campo, chief prosecutor, joining

35:19

us out of Cameron County, Texas? What

35:22

more could you want? T that up in front

35:24

of the jury. With the blood on

35:27

the Winnebago carpet, it

35:29

presents everything in a

35:31

nice, neat package for you. With the motive,

35:34

the history of that's going on between

35:36

these two people. Clearly the rage

35:39

that was happening as she was getting written

35:41

out of the will and that she

35:43

felt like she was not getting what she was entitled

35:45

to. It explains the excessive stabbing

35:48

and the shooting it's everything

35:51

wrapped up for you in a package. The

35:53

only thing it would make me wonder

35:56

is let's just see the investigation

35:58

all the way through to make sure that she didn't have

36:00

any help. Wait till you

36:03

hear her defense.

36:05

Oh, I can't wait. Take a listen to

36:07

our cut eight. This is our French Tish

36:09

Hartman six ABC. This

36:11

bayfront home on North seventh Street

36:13

was where the bodies of the couple were discovered

36:16

on October third. The next day, enders

36:18

daughter, fifty five year old Sherry Lee Heffernan,

36:21

of Landenburg, PA, was arrested

36:23

and charged with the two murderers. Authorities

36:25

in New Jersey alleged that Heffernan was upset

36:27

with her father because she had been cut out of

36:29

his will. Enders had recently decided

36:32

to sell the Surf City home and had been trying

36:34

to contact his daughter for the past year without

36:36

much success. During an expedition hearing

36:38

in Chester County on Friday, Heffernan told

36:41

a reporter that she's quote not guilty

36:43

and being framed. According to the Daily

36:45

Local News of Westchester, Heffernan

36:48

was ordered to remain in the Chester County

36:50

prison without bail until she is

36:52

extradited to New Jersey. Before

36:55

that can happen, she has to face unresolved

36:57

theft charges out of Montgomery County, PA.

37:00

Those theft charges were for taking

37:02

merchandise and receiving stolen property

37:05

back in twenty nineteen. They were misdemeanors.

37:08

I don't know what that was. It's just shoplifting

37:10

or some other petty theft. But that

37:12

gives me an idea a window into

37:14

her thinking. If you could see

37:17

the photos of this home, and I

37:19

think that they were photos, they're office zello

37:22

and there are photos I think that were taken

37:24

in preparation to sell it. It

37:27

is beautiful. It's really

37:30

really pretty and in perfect condition.

37:33

Apparently the victim, Jack Enders,

37:35

would spend his days working on

37:37

the home, and the girlfriend Frenchie

37:40

had decorated herself. I mean,

37:42

it's it's gorgeous, six

37:44

bedroom, four bath waterfront home.

37:47

And the daughter,

37:50

the blood relative daughter

37:54

of Jack Enders, went berserk

37:58

over the fact that she would

38:00

not get the property that

38:02

he was selling it, not even

38:05

letting her be the realtor on that.

38:07

But you know, Jacqueline Gray Crime

38:10

online dot Com investigative reporter, I mean, I

38:12

know you're an investigative reporter, not a shrink. But

38:14

that's what happens when you don't

38:16

talk to your father for years on in send

38:19

his letters back, won't pick up the phone,

38:22

won't be with him. Yeah,

38:24

you're gonna get disinherited. What did she think was

38:26

going to happen? I don't know what she was thinking.

38:28

And also in the months before the murder,

38:32

Jack cut you know, her and

38:34

another daughter out of the world. So, I mean

38:36

the writing was kind of on the wall that like she

38:39

cut him out and he cut her out.

38:41

You know, I'll never get over how rich

38:43

people fight over money and the

38:45

reality is, I think doctor

38:48

Allen Blocky, PhD, forensic psychologist,

38:52

a lot of children and grandchildren

38:54

don't get they worked

38:57

hard for this home, their whole lives

39:00

to just fall in their laps and

39:02

it's theirs to do what they wish

39:04

with. Yeah. Unfortunately, what happens

39:06

is that the children of these folks often

39:09

feel this sense of entitlement that

39:12

grows and becomes so huge

39:16

that it's crazy, and

39:18

it leads to acting

39:21

out, that leads to crime, all

39:24

out of a sense of entitlement that

39:27

is just not consistent with the

39:30

way reality is. Sometimes we wait

39:33

as justice and Falls, Nancy Grace crime

39:35

story, Signing off my friend