0:06

In the last hours revelations

0:09

in the Jeffrey Epstein child's

0:11

sex trafficking allegations.

0:14

As we wait for his pimp,

0:17

his madam social like Delaine Maxwell

0:19

to go to trial, we are now

0:21

learning she's not the only

0:23

one with blame.

0:26

There's plenty to go around. Is

0:29

it true that three years

0:32

before charges were brought, federal

0:36

prosecutors refused

0:38

to investigate claims of

0:41

child's sex molestation? Did

0:50

they give Jeffrey Epstein and Gilaine

0:53

Maxwell a free pass

0:55

to continue molesting girls

0:58

for three more years before

1:00

charges were brought? Take a listen

1:02

to this. He said

1:05

that he could get me into the Fashion Institute

1:07

of Technology, and

1:10

that he knew that he could get me straight in, he could

1:12

pay for my schooling, and

1:15

I know that they didn't even phone if I t that

1:18

was never going to happen. They went out of their way

1:20

to play games

1:22

to make you believe. I

1:24

mean, they helped me on my essay. It

1:27

was just all a big lie and

1:30

just complete manipulation. You

1:33

are hearing Sarah Ransom

1:36

the Miami Herald just

1:39

crack this thing wide open.

1:41

And according to reports, it was only

1:43

because Epstein was busted by

1:45

the Miami Herald, not prosecutors

1:49

who sat by and twiddled their thoughts for three

1:51

years, but only when it became public

1:54

when they were outed having done

1:57

nothing since epstein sweetheart

1:59

deal allowing Epstein to go

2:01

on to molest how many more

2:04

young girls. Only when the

2:06

Miami Herald busted them did

2:09

charges suddenly emerge.

2:12

With me as an all star panel to try

2:14

to make sense of it all. First of all,

2:17

Jessica Pride, as attorney with

2:19

the Pride Law Firm with

2:22

me. Doctor Teresa Gill,

2:24

professor's psychology and Psychotherapists,

2:27

author of Women who Were Sex Abused

2:29

as Children, Investigator Karen

2:31

L. Smith for Expert, Lecturer

2:33

University Florida and host of Shattered

2:35

Souls podcast. But first

2:38

to Charlie Lankston, editor

2:40

at Daily Mail and you can find her

2:42

on Insta at Charlie

2:45

Charlie. This is very,

2:47

very disturbing. It's one thing

2:50

to think of a millionaire pedophile

2:52

Jeffrey Epstein molesting girls

2:55

in his mansion, which was just torn down

2:57

by the way, thank god. It's

2:59

another thing to think of Guillaine Maxwell,

3:01

his socialite girlfriend, egging

3:03

the girls on, standing by smiling

3:06

as he molested them, sometimes taking

3:08

part according to them. It's

3:11

a whole another ball

3:13

game to think federal prosecutors

3:16

sat on their thumbs doing nothing.

3:19

Isn't it trend, Charlie that they were

3:22

given information that Guillaine

3:24

Maxwell to nude

3:26

photos of a young girl,

3:29

nude photos, explicit

3:31

photos, and gave

3:34

them to Jeffrey Epstein as

3:36

a birthday gift, and even

3:38

with that knowledge, they did nothing.

3:41

What happened, I mean, they did absolutely

3:44

nothing. And what we're learning

3:47

now is the extent of

3:49

this sweet Heeart deal that they

3:51

struck with Epstein that effectively

3:54

prevented him from having to face

3:56

any federal charges whatsoever. They

3:58

punished the wait, Charlie,

4:00

Charlie, hold on, that's what it

4:02

purported to do. And

4:05

let me understand something now. You are

4:07

talking about the Sweetheart deal that

4:10

occurred around two thousand

4:12

and seven down in Florida.

4:15

It was first a federal case in the

4:17

FED somehow kicked

4:19

it down to a state

4:21

court where he pled guilty

4:23

to two counts of soliciting miners for prostitution

4:27

and was basically given a slap on

4:29

the wrist. That was

4:31

in two thousand and seven. Correct, Yes,

4:33

that's correct. Okay, I'm talking about

4:35

a two thousand, sixteen meeting

4:39

nine years later. Okay,

4:41

all these years, he's still molesting

4:43

girls. Hey, you know what. You

4:46

don't believe me, take a listen to this

4:48

more from the Miami Herald. But

4:50

when you in, you can't get out.

4:54

That's it. Like when you are in, you

4:56

are in, and you are in deep. If I

4:58

didn't do what he said, he would make

5:00

sure that I would not be working in New

5:02

York. And I was terrified. I was

5:05

so I'm still afraid

5:07

for my life and I

5:10

was. I was so

5:12

scared. I just think I disassociated.

5:14

I was just like, okay, um, this

5:17

is happening. I'm like, what do you do? I mean, like I

5:19

remember thinking, okay, I've never done this

5:21

before. Not where am I?

5:24

What's going on? I went to free

5:26

and I kind of go into freeze disassociation mode.

5:28

It would make anyone second guess themselves

5:31

and say, what

5:33

the manipulation that's happening,

5:35

the exploitation that's happening

5:38

is damaging. But I must be the

5:40

crazy one because everyone

5:42

around knows what's going

5:45

on and is allowing it to happen, and

5:47

is enabling him and is playing into it. You

5:50

are hearing our friend at Miami Herald, Sarah

5:53

Ransom. You're also hearing Marjique

5:55

Shortuny and Bradley Edward speaking

5:57

Charlie Links in one moment. Let me go now

5:59

to Teresa gil PhD, Professor

6:02

Psychology and psychotherapist, Doctor,

6:04

thank you for being with us. I've had a lot

6:06

of child molestation victims and rape

6:08

victims, but particularly child

6:11

molestation victims state that during

6:13

the molestation they seem to

6:15

quote disassociate from their body.

6:18

What does that mean? So it

6:20

happens to the body, and it happens

6:22

without your control. When you're

6:24

in a situation that feels overwhelming

6:27

and feels like life and death, your

6:29

body does two things. It

6:31

goes into fight flight. But if

6:34

you're forteen fifting of sixteen, when you're

6:36

on an island and nobody else is around

6:38

you, or you don't have people who are

6:41

going to stand by you that you see as allies,

6:44

it is not a safe thing to go fight flight.

6:46

So what happens is you just collapse. And

6:48

with that collapse of physiological

6:51

signs like you go pale, you

6:53

stop breathing, you shut down,

6:56

and you actually separate from

6:58

reality. Like one woman

7:01

said when she was on the plane and they

7:03

were going to the island and they were having

7:05

sex on the plane. She just

7:07

pretended like she looked around her, everybody

7:11

was acting as if things were normal,

7:13

and she pretended she didn't see it, and

7:16

she fell asleep. And that would

7:18

be a typical response to somebody who's

7:20

overwhelmed and trying to manage

7:23

the experience that they're going through. I've

7:26

had adult victims

7:28

of child molestation describe

7:31

what you just said with me as doctor

7:34

Teresa gil and she's

7:36

the author of Women Who Were Sex that

7:38

Used as children, Mothering, resilience,

7:40

protecting the next generation. This is

7:42

her specialty. I didn't really know

7:44

what it meant as just being a trial

7:46

lawyer, doctor Gill, but I

7:49

noticed that time after time after time,

7:52

adult victims of child molestation

7:55

would recount what happened

7:57

to them as a child, and they

7:59

said to completely, I

8:03

know this isn't the right phraseology come out

8:05

of their bodies, or

8:07

they would the only good word

8:09

is disassociate from what was happening to

8:11

them, And they literally

8:14

can come out and a body the money time

8:16

filty that they're watching it.

8:18

Yes, I was going to tell you that, doctor Gil, but

8:20

I thought it sounded far fetched. They

8:23

have told me, and not just one

8:25

but many. So it's not

8:27

like one little girl or one little

8:29

boy dreamed this up that they

8:31

felt they could see from

8:33

above them, like up

8:36

in the ceiling or at the door to

8:38

the room, what was happening. They

8:40

were that disassociated.

8:42

And you're hearing that here from

8:44

this Epstein victim

8:47

being molested. She felt she disassociated

8:49

from her body. And we

8:52

hear that over and over and over.

8:56

But now to just rub

8:59

salt in the wood mound? Is

9:01

it true? And I think it is.

9:03

And I'll tell you why. Federal

9:05

prosecutors, after his sweetheart

9:08

deal in two thousand and seven, fast

9:10

for twenty sixteen, he had been molesting

9:12

all those nine years. Prosecutors

9:15

are told what's happening in the Southern

9:17

District of New York. Epstein

9:19

is still molesting girls and

9:21

they did nothing.

9:33

Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,

9:36

we are talking about a huge travesty

9:39

of justice, and it pains me

9:41

to point the finger at prosecutors

9:43

who are there to protect us. There

9:46

are notes, Charlie Lanks soon joining me

9:49

from Daily Mail. There are notes that existed

9:51

from that twenty sixteen meeting, signed

9:54

by Assistant US

9:56

Attorney A k which

9:59

I believe stands for Amanda Kramer.

10:03

That she had this meeting was

10:05

some of the victim's lawyers, and

10:08

she put in a call to the FBI down of Florida,

10:10

and they didn't call back, so she dropped the case.

10:12

She did nothing. I mean, I

10:14

think that's the most shocking thing to me, is that the excuse

10:17

for not pursuing a case was simply

10:20

because she didn't hear back from

10:22

the FBI in Florida, and apparently

10:24

that meant that they had no problem

10:26

with how the case had been handled way

10:28

back in two thousand and seven. To

10:31

my mind, not receiving a call

10:33

from someone and failing to

10:35

try and get in contact again, that's

10:37

nothing in comparison with the evidence that

10:39

she was being told about. She had three lawyers

10:42

not only telling her about the abuse that

10:45

Virginia Roberts said she'd suffered at the hands

10:47

of Epstein, but she also had

10:49

evidence that he had conspirators helping

10:51

him with this abuse, That there was evidence

10:54

in the form of nude photographs that had

10:56

been taken, and that this

10:58

had been going on, as you said, for

11:00

nine years after a sweetheart deal

11:03

was struck in Florida. So the fact

11:05

that a case was not brought after this meeting

11:07

is absolutely astounding to me. I

11:10

want to let you hear what

11:14

exactly these molestation

11:17

victims are saying. None

11:20

of this would have come to light if it had not been

11:22

for the Miami Herald Listen

11:25

Gilain Maxwell was Jeffrey's right

11:28

hand woman. Leslie graffs, So, Sarah

11:30

kellins, they like, it's this network

11:32

which is just mind blowing, and

11:35

they're so good. They are so they

11:37

are like master my manipulators.

11:41

And that's that's what really upsets me.

11:43

When you know, I've had one or two people say, you know, I

11:45

should have known better. You know, I don't

11:47

think they've fooled the entire

11:50

world. So of course they're

11:52

going to manipulate as a twenty two year old,

11:54

he's never been here. I was here for two weeks. I

11:56

didn't know a single soul. But still,

11:58

because I was over aged and my twin tiers,

12:00

I should have known better. I didn't know better.

12:03

I was on my own, and then I've fallen

12:05

to Jeffrey's trip. So it's

12:07

just abuse, abuse, abuse,

12:10

abuse, and it wasn't my fault

12:13

now, and that's what he preys on.

12:15

It looks for people that are vulnerable and

12:18

hers and of coming and broken and

12:20

broken and broken people. And he promises he'll

12:22

fix you. Yeah, and instead he breaks

12:24

you even more. I know, yeah, I know,

12:27

yeah, he broke me pretty bad. He's

12:30

good at that. You were hearing Sarah

12:32

Man's men Virginia Roberts Geoffrey an

12:34

outspoken victim

12:37

Jeffrey Epstein's allegedly Now

12:40

she is telling you her age, then,

12:42

but what about the young girls

12:45

he managed to lure into his trap? Joining

12:47

me a very well known sex assault

12:49

attorney the Pride Law

12:52

Firm. Joining me is Jessica Pride Jessica.

12:54

That is a common theme that I have heard

12:56

from rape victims and child molestation victims.

12:59

They always think it's their fault. Did

13:01

you hear what she said? I didn't

13:03

know anybody, I didn't know really what was happening,

13:05

But hey, it was my fault because I went with him.

13:08

Unfortunately, that's what survivors

13:10

do, is they blame themselves,

13:13

and they recount the steps and what

13:15

they did or didn't do, and

13:18

try to justify or figure

13:20

out how they somehow got themselves

13:22

into that situation. But survivors

13:25

need to remember to put the blame where the blame

13:27

belongs, and that's what the perpetrators,

13:30

and in this case, it's with Epstein

13:33

and Jesselen, Maxwell and all his

13:35

conspirators that helped him

13:37

abuse children for over

13:39

a decade. I want to go back

13:41

to Charlie Lenkson joining

13:43

me. Charlie has been on the story from the very

13:45

beginning. She is a senior

13:48

editor at Daily Mail. Charlie,

13:52

we know the name of the assistant

13:54

US attorney who held that twenty sixteen

13:56

mating. Her initials

13:59

are in the notes that were

14:01

taken that day. She claims

14:04

that the appointed

14:07

US attorney from the Southern District

14:09

of New York. Let's see that would

14:11

have been in twenty sixteen, it would have still been

14:14

appointed by Barack Obama.

14:17

I believe was Preet Barrara.

14:20

I think that was the US

14:22

attorney in the Southern District

14:24

of New York who made a big

14:26

name for himself going after Wall

14:30

Street anyone that he perceived was

14:33

a evildoer in Wall

14:35

Street. He was also

14:37

known as the Showman, apparently

14:40

loved the limelight. Is it true

14:42

that that was the appointed US

14:44

attorney in the Southern District of

14:46

New York at the time this meeting

14:49

took place, I believe so. Yes.

14:52

Now people are saying the US attorney

14:54

had no idea what was going on.

14:57

But let me circle back

14:59

to jes sic a pride. Jessica.

15:02

I don't know if you ever worked in a DA's

15:04

office or in a public defender's

15:06

office, but I can tell you this. When

15:09

you have a high profile case, for

15:12

instance, a millionaire accused

15:15

of molesting a string of little girls

15:17

and a stinking deal out of Florida

15:20

where the guy got to walk free. Essentially,

15:24

that's the kind of thing you tell your boss before

15:26

you just tossed in the trash band right

15:29

a one hundred percent. But

15:32

his boss had been silencing

15:34

the survivor since two thousand and seven

15:36

when they decided to enter into this non

15:39

prosecution agreement and file

15:41

it under seal. You know, Nancy, I

15:43

know, you know how hard it is to get a case

15:45

filed under seal, or anything filed under seal

15:48

for that matter. So the fact that they had a

15:50

non prosecution agreement back

15:52

in two thousand and seven saying we're

15:55

not going to file federal charges

15:57

in Florida and instead we're

15:59

going to kick this down to the

16:01

state court and allow them to

16:03

do this sweetheart deal. It

16:06

was insane. And not only did they

16:08

create this deal, they did it without

16:10

consulting the survivors.

16:12

How as a matter of fact, on

16:16

Jessica Pride, you just hit a nerve,

16:19

Charlie Langston, isn't it true?

16:21

This sweetheart deal in Florida? And we're talking

16:23

about a meeting in New York in twenty sixteen

16:25

where prosecutors turned a blind eye and

16:28

allowed Epstein and Maxwell

16:30

to continue molesting little

16:32

girls for three more years before

16:34

the Miami Herald broke story

16:37

and they got shamed, all right, that

16:40

was in New York. But the sweetheart

16:42

deal went down in Florida. And

16:44

isn't it true, Charlie? They took the

16:46

deal in two thousand and seven.

16:49

But when one of the victims called to

16:51

find out what was happening with the case in two thousand

16:54

and eight, the victim and

16:56

I believe that victom's name was Courtney

16:58

Wilde, was told

17:00

the investigations still ongoing. They

17:03

had no idea they had done a sweetheart deal.

17:05

They kept it a secret. You know what, You got

17:07

to keep something a secret unless it's a surprise

17:10

party. They're something probably very

17:12

wrong with your secret. Well, and what is

17:14

most horrifying to me is that these

17:18

women who were trying to

17:20

get justice and trying to bring to light

17:22

the horrific crimes that they had suffered,

17:25

they were still given hope. They were told

17:27

the investigation is ongoing, when actually

17:30

all hope that they had of trying

17:33

to get justice against Epstein

17:35

that had been thrown away by prosecutors

17:37

in Florida who were then telling the women,

17:39

Oh, no, don't worry, we're still working on it.

17:42

Please still keep speaking to us. We'll keep

17:44

you in the loop. And that was a lie. So

17:47

not only did these victims not get the justice

17:49

that they quite frankly deserved, but

17:51

they were also spoon fed

17:54

lies by prosecutors, having

17:56

already gone through unspeakable

17:58

trauma for so many years.

18:01

I just think that there are so

18:03

many levels of feelings

18:06

for these poor women, and I don't know, honestly

18:09

whether any justice can

18:11

really be stuffed to them after all that they've been

18:13

through. The young girl

18:15

victim that was lied to and told the

18:17

investigation was ongoing after

18:20

there had really already been a

18:22

secret deal a year

18:24

before, and nobody would tell

18:27

the girl victims her name,

18:29

Courtney Wild. I want

18:31

you to hear our cut ten. This

18:34

is about Courtney and you're

18:36

hearing ABC Nightlines. Tom Lamas

18:39

listen. I was fourteen, I had

18:41

braces on, I brought by somebody

18:43

else. We go up the stairs,

18:46

We're shown how to set up the

18:48

massage table everything else, and we were

18:50

just massaging them. And then after about

18:52

thirty minutes of that, he asked the girl

18:54

that I was with to go wait downstairs. When

18:56

she left, you know, he asked me to get comfortable

18:59

to take my clothes off, that I could leave

19:01

my brone panties on. So I

19:03

did that, and he just wanted me to

19:05

like stand next to him as he like

19:07

you know, touched me and stuff like that

19:10

as he masturbated. And

19:12

then that was that. Yeah,

19:15

that was that. You are hearing

19:18

the voice of Coordiney Wild

19:20

speaking out just fourteen years

19:22

old, when she was recruited to

19:25

go massage a grown man

19:27

with gray hair, Jeffrey

19:29

Epstein, a multi millionaire. She

19:32

gets there, he says the other girl away,

19:36

asked her to take her clothes off and

19:38

then basically fondles her

19:40

or genitals while he masturbates.

19:42

There's really no nice way to

19:45

say that. Crime

19:55

Stories with Nancy Grace Now

19:58

listen to this, Charlie likes. In

20:01

the last days, a court has

20:03

ruled against Courtney

20:05

and other victims, even

20:08

though they say they quote

20:10

sympathize with them.

20:13

Courtney Wilde was one

20:16

of Epstein's numerous child victims

20:19

who filed a lawsuit against

20:22

the prosecution. That lawsuit

20:24

filed in two thousand and eight, alleging

20:28

that their plea deal that let Epstey

20:30

walk free and continue to molest little girls

20:33

violated the Victims

20:35

Rights Act because

20:38

they never told the victims. Under

20:41

the Crime Victims Rights Act, victims

20:43

are supposed to know when a plea

20:45

deal is going down. They not

20:48

only, according to the girls, didn't

20:50

tell them when the deal was going down, they also

20:52

lied about it. And now,

20:54

in another stunning blow to

20:57

these girl victims, they court rules

21:00

they can't sue. It's

21:02

just almost too much to take in, Charlie.

21:05

I mean, it's just horrific. And what is really

21:08

tragic for me is that the judge in

21:10

this most recent appeals case effectively

21:13

said, I believe that you

21:15

have been wronged by prosecutors.

21:18

I believe that what went down was

21:20

unacceptable and not only did you

21:22

face unspeakable horrors at the hands

21:24

of Epstein, but you then were failed

21:27

by the law. However, the judge

21:29

in this specific case effectively said,

21:32

in order to follow the law myself,

21:34

I cannot grant

21:36

you a win in this case because legally,

21:38

because federal charges were never

21:41

filed against Epstein, the Criminal

21:43

Victims' Rights Act does not give

21:45

Courtney any protections whatsoever.

21:49

Well, you go to a shrink

21:52

judge, ycent Gil doudgor

21:55

Gil, you know, and

21:58

just a trial lawyer. You're

22:01

the psychologist. But

22:05

I know what I've seen, and

22:08

I know what happens

22:11

to rape and child

22:13

molestation victims, be they a boy or a girl,

22:17

to grown women that are raped, they're

22:20

never the same. Yes,

22:23

they go about their life, they may get married,

22:25

they may have a family, may have a great job,

22:29

but you're never the same.

22:32

It affects you the rest of

22:34

your life, how you view relationships,

22:37

whether you can never have sex again, how

22:39

you really just see the world.

22:43

You are a victim from

22:45

then on and there's

22:49

no turning back. How much

22:51

more can these victims

22:54

take doctor guilt? They were molested

22:57

by Epstein Elaine Maxwell.

22:59

According to them, Lord

23:01

there Am and even took part in the molestations,

23:04

stood by smiling while they were molested.

23:07

Then they have a secret deal

23:10

done behind their back by Florida prosecutors.

23:14

Then they take the case to the

23:16

Southern District of New York US

23:18

attorneys appointed by

23:20

the president, and they

23:22

do nothing. They do

23:25

nothing. Doctor Gil, what

23:28

more can be done to these victims?

23:31

Well, I think it's interesting because

23:34

when I think about their victimization, their

23:37

victimization started with their childhood.

23:39

So when I bring sometimes

23:42

my survivors want to bring in their perpetrator

23:44

and they want to ask their perpetrator why

23:47

me, And they

23:49

think that the perpetrator is going to say, because somehow

23:52

you were defective, somehow you were bad,

23:55

you were terrible, you deserved it.

23:57

And every time the perpetrator says,

23:59

because as you were the most vulnerable,

24:02

and that's why I picked you. And

24:04

when Epstein and his

24:09

his people who supported him in

24:12

getting these women and enticing

24:14

them and recruiting them and grooming them,

24:17

they knew that the women that they

24:19

were picking were working class and

24:22

poor. They knew they came from troubled

24:24

homes. They knew that they were vulnerable,

24:26

and that they were young, and they were in financial

24:29

need, and they were unprotected.

24:32

And so already you have people with a

24:34

history of real vulnerability and

24:36

lack of support and protection, and

24:39

when they fight to be heard

24:42

and the system undermines them and

24:44

pulled the rug out from underneath

24:46

them, then they're being revictimized

24:49

and they being resilenced, and

24:53

they're going back into a place where

24:55

I have no control, powerless,

24:58

there's nothing that I can do, and

25:00

that's not you know, it's

25:02

an er guil on this justice. I'm

25:04

trying to verbalize this

25:07

feeling they must be having when

25:11

you become a crime victim and

25:14

such a brutal way to be raped

25:17

by Jeffrey Epstein and

25:19

you're just a younger, you're fourteen, it's one

25:21

year older than my daughter Lucy. Then

25:27

you live with all that shame, You feel

25:29

like it's your fault, the

25:31

whole brutality of it, the sense

25:34

of helplessness sticks with you

25:36

the rest of your life. But then

25:38

you think you have a champion

25:40

that is going to represent you, that is

25:42

going to get justice,

25:46

and your faith and your hope is renewed,

25:49

that someone cares about you, and

25:51

then you find out they

25:54

basically crap on you. They

25:56

do nothing. They do

25:59

nothing, I mean, you know, wash their hands

26:01

like conscious pilot and look the other way

26:03

and let an unspeakable unjustice

26:06

go forward. I mean, that has got

26:08

to be soul breaking.

26:11

Guys, we're talking about one victim, Courtney

26:13

Wild, who actually sued the prosecution

26:16

and got turned down by the Court of Appeals.

26:18

Take a listen to more from our friends at ABC's

26:21

Nightline. Lacarta says she was just

26:23

sixteen years old when she was recruited

26:25

by another high school girl to give Epstein

26:27

a massage. He kept saying it God,

26:30

like God, You're just so beautiful

26:33

and sexy and gorgeous, and

26:36

it was making me feel really uncomfortable,

26:38

Lacarta telling investigators in a police

26:40

interview at the time Epstein sexually

26:43

assaulted her then and

26:45

igot asking me go low and kind

26:48

of happening at the moment about

26:52

Epstein's accused of praying on vulnerable

26:54

girls. And I remember just like feeling

26:56

so disgusting and shameful.

26:59

But and then the same way, you

27:01

know, I had two hundred dollars

27:03

that I didn't have before, so it was like

27:07

it was just a tough pillow to

27:09

swallow, Wild saying she

27:11

became part of Epstein's alleged recruiting

27:13

scheme, soon winding up in

27:15

over read. He asked me if I could bring him

27:17

girls, then for every girl I could bring him, he would

27:20

give me two hundred dollars for them. It's a burden

27:22

that she says she's carried with her for more

27:24

than a decade. I just hold so much guil

27:27

for ever having somebody

27:29

do that, or introducing that to somebody's

27:31

life. It's almost

27:33

too much to take in. So back to Charlie Langston

27:37

on the story from the very beginning. She's a senior

27:39

editor at dailymail dot com. Charlie

27:42

is kind of like a Ponzi scheme

27:46

where he would actually molest

27:49

a girl, a young girl. I

27:51

believe Courtney Wilde was fourteen when he

27:53

started molesting her. Then

27:55

he would pay her, and he knew these girls

27:58

were from working class families that needed

28:00

money, that had nothing. He would pay

28:02

her two hundred dollars per girl

28:06

that she would bring to him. So you're

28:08

basically getting

28:10

children to

28:14

entice other children to

28:16

get raped by Jeffrey Epstein and then they'll

28:18

get two hundred dollars. I mean, I used to

28:20

prosecute cases where drug

28:23

lords and their

28:26

lieutenants would use juveniles

28:29

to sell drugs heroin, crack

28:31

cocaine myth out

28:34

on the street, because

28:36

they knew juveniles would do a

28:39

month in juvie jail if that they

28:41

would use children to do

28:44

their dirty work. And

28:46

here he's using his own

28:49

molestation victims to lure in

28:51

other girls. It's just it's

28:53

the devil. I mean, it's the most

28:56

disgusting pyramid scheme. I think

28:58

I've had a hud and what

29:01

we've addressed, and I think the really key

29:03

point here is Epstein

29:07

prayed on the most vulnerable

29:09

people he could find. He sent from

29:12

what we understand, Gelain Maxwell out

29:14

to find the top level

29:17

of girls who he would then use to recruit

29:19

others. And the really sickening thing

29:22

from you know, what we've heard from victims

29:25

is that they knew deep

29:27

down that what was happening to them was

29:29

wrong. But here they were being

29:32

paid enormous amounts of money, being

29:34

told that by partaking in these

29:36

disgusting acts, they would be given,

29:39

you know, jobs, that they would be given an education,

29:42

that they would be flown around the world. Epstein

29:44

and Maxwell gained these girls

29:47

trust through a number of incredibly

29:49

underhanded tactics and made

29:51

them think that this is how the world

29:54

worked, that this is how you got ahead

29:56

in life, and then sent them out

29:58

to go and share that message with other

30:01

young girls. That's what's really awful

30:03

here is that these young women were

30:06

led to believe that this was the way

30:08

of the world and that there was no other option

30:10

if you wanted to get out of a

30:13

working class family and find success

30:15

and wealth and

30:18

leading lambs to the slaughter

30:32

crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,

30:37

is it true? Well, I can answer

30:39

that yes, it is true that

30:41

in twenty sixteen, US

30:44

attorneys met with lawyers

30:47

for these child victims. They

30:50

were told that

30:52

Elaine Maxwell had a nude

30:55

photo taken of a little girl, explicit

30:58

photo taken and gift to Epstein

31:00

for his birthday.

31:02

That's sick right

31:04

there, how RAZI it? They

31:07

told US attorneys about it, and

31:09

the US attorneys did

31:12

nothing, basically giving

31:14

Epstein to get out of jail free pass for

31:16

the next three years to go on raping

31:19

children. It wasn't until

31:21

the Miami Herold cracked the case wide

31:23

open that they were shamed into doing something.

31:26

You just heard Charlie Lankson, investigative

31:29

reporter and editor for dailymail

31:32

dot Com speaking and she was

31:34

talking about how these girls were led

31:36

to believe this was with their ticket to

31:39

a better life. If they could endure getting

31:41

raped by Epstein, they

31:43

could have a world

31:45

opened up to them of education and

31:48

travel and a better life. Take

31:50

a listen to our cut three. This

31:52

is Virginia Roberts Geffrey with

31:54

the Miami Herol. Listen. I

31:56

had been a runaway and I had been abused before.

31:59

So to have this, you

32:02

know, ability to get educated

32:04

and do something with my life, I thought I was turning around.

32:07

It was a turning point for me. I was really excited,

32:10

and within an hour of

32:12

being at Epstein's mansion, the

32:14

abuse quickly unfolded like that,

32:17

and I thought, God, you know, you

32:20

know, I should have known better, but I didn't. And

32:22

now I'm here and this is as

32:24

good as it gets. You

32:26

know, Sometimes I just I'm speechless

32:29

with what criminals

32:31

do to their victims. Joining me right now,

32:33

special guest forensic expert Karen

32:37

L. Smith, and you can find

32:39

her at Karen's Forensics, beerbones forensics

32:42

dot com. Karen,

32:45

right now, we were looking at a trial for

32:48

Epstein's As they say, Madam, she's

32:50

nothing more than a pimp

32:54

and she took part in these molestations

32:57

according to some of the girls, How

33:00

in the hey, can we prove

33:03

this? Yes, we're going to have

33:05

the girls from self testifying, but

33:07

very often gurars look for more. But this

33:10

happened years again, Yeah it did,

33:12

and I have to say systemic failure

33:15

one hundred percent. But there was one

33:17

entity that didn't fail them, and that was

33:19

the Palm Beach Police Department, Police

33:21

Chief Michael Rider and Detective Joe Rickerry,

33:24

who's now unsfortunately deceased. They

33:26

did their jobs, and they did it exceptionally

33:28

well. They went through Epstein's garbage.

33:30

They found notes with victim's phone

33:32

numbers and these not so cryptic messages

33:35

about massages and sex. They found

33:37

a high school transcript in his desk drawer,

33:39

and photographs of naked teenage girls. All

33:41

of that was corroborated by multiple victims

33:43

who didn't even know each other at the time.

33:46

But here's the kicker. Crucial evidence

33:48

was missing. When the detectives served

33:51

the search warrant on Epstein's house,

33:53

the computer towers were gone, wires

33:55

were hanging from the ceiling from a surveillance

33:57

system that had been dismantled to wars

34:00

had been empty, and it was clear at that point

34:02

to police Chief Writer and Detective Recarry

34:04

that Epstein had somehow been tipped

34:07

off. You know, Karen, when

34:09

you hear stories like this, the

34:12

stories real, it

34:14

just does it ever way

34:17

heavy on you when absolutely

34:21

fellow prosecutors, fellow

34:23

law enforcement drop

34:25

the ball. Hadn't been for the officers that you just

34:28

named, all of that evidence would

34:30

have been gone too. That's

34:32

right, they do it. Michael.

34:35

Writer pushed, he pushed, He called the

34:37

FBI, He got the FBI involved,

34:39

and then that ball got dropped. It wasn't

34:41

the police. It was the upper levels

34:44

of the prosecutors, the state attorneys, and

34:46

the US state attorney that dropped these balls. And

34:48

you know what, for me, as just a

34:50

lowly cop, a rank and file

34:52

detective, it blows my

34:55

mind to think that these failures happened

34:57

systemically in a system that we are told

35:00

old it's trustworthy, that

35:02

we're told works. It

35:04

doesn't. This case is an

35:07

absolute travesy, Nancy. It

35:10

makes me so sad, and it makes

35:12

me feel horribly fitting victim who

35:14

are never going to be jumping guys.

35:17

He may be wondering where does Gillin Maxwell

35:19

fit into this scenario. Take a listen to Our

35:22

Cut seven. This is from BBC Panorama

35:24

reporter Darren McIntyre Virginia

35:27

Roberts, who went to Epstein's Palm Beach

35:29

home for the interview. Kailyn

35:33

walks me up the stairs and then there's this

35:35

naked guy laying on a

35:38

massage table in the middle of the room.

35:41

So although there was this naked man laying

35:43

on a table, I thought, okay, well, this is

35:45

just how they do it. I suppose he

35:49

looked up at Kielynn, so she's like,

35:51

Okay, here's the lotions, here's the oils. Put

35:53

your lotions and oils on your arm. Always

35:55

keep your hand on the person you're massaging,

35:58

and start with one foot and you and she'll

36:00

get the other foot and then we'll work together, so

36:02

you just mimic my movements. So anyways,

36:04

that thought went fleeting from my head like that was strange

36:07

because we're doing this massage now. Through

36:12

that time, I mean, they were asking me questions

36:14

about who I was and you

36:16

know how I got to work at Marlago, and I

36:19

really wanted them to know how important it was

36:21

to me to nail

36:24

this interview and to possibly you

36:26

know, be educated from to become a real

36:28

massage therapist, and

36:30

they seemed like nice people, so I trusted

36:32

them, and I told them

36:35

I'd had a really hard time in my life

36:37

up until then. I'd been a runaway.

36:39

I've been sexually abused, I've been physically

36:42

abused. I've just I've had a really hard trot.

36:46

And that

36:50

was the worst thing that I could have told them, because

36:52

now they knew how vulnerable I was.

36:55

And that's not the half of it. Was

36:58

more, it was like a gift for them.

37:00

That's exactly what they needed, that's exactly what

37:02

they wanted, and they got it. So

37:04

they told me to take my clothes off, and Kiln

37:06

takes her clothes off, and Epstein's

37:09

already nude,

37:12

and they

37:14

start touching me, and they asked

37:17

me to do things for him, and and

37:22

I just I did. I

37:24

fell right into the back of that circle. I

37:27

thought, this is just what life's about. This

37:30

must be what life's about, because I have never

37:33

had somebody just take me in and say

37:35

that they're going to do something and then not do something.

37:38

So yeah,

37:41

it was it was a really it was a real

37:43

big kick in the gut, and it was

37:45

a face of reality that I just succumbed.

37:48

To I just it's all I'd

37:50

known, so I let them

37:52

abuse me and I did what they

37:54

told me to do. Take a list

37:56

of natcha our cut twelve. Virginia

38:00

Frey was by far not

38:02

the only victim that went through the

38:04

same thing, and that is something you

38:06

look for when you're prosecuting. Do

38:09

witnesses victims separated

38:11

by time and space tell the same story

38:13

without collusion. Take a listen

38:15

to our friends at NBC. My

38:18

gosh, I was fourteen years old, Like, what

38:20

the hell do you know when you're that young.

38:23

Jennifer Rose grew up in New York

38:25

with dreams of becoming a Broadway

38:27

actress. She was thrilled when she

38:29

was accepted to a performing arts high

38:31

school in the city. And it was outside

38:34

that school back in two thousand and one, she says,

38:36

a woman first approached her. She was

38:38

definitely trying to get to know me, trying to

38:40

find out, you know, where I was from, where I grew up, you

38:42

know, I lived with Arose says. The woman

38:45

kept showing up, talking to her, sometimes

38:47

offering to buy her lunch or a soda.

38:50

The first time she brought up the name Jeffrey

38:52

Epstein, how did she describe

38:54

him to you day. He was just a great guy. I

38:56

was just saying, like, you know, he's helped me. I've

38:58

struggled, Like she was similar

39:01

to me. Did she say he could help you with

39:04

your career? That was a big part of

39:06

it. And when you think of her now, you

39:08

used the phrase he said the recruiter, he felt

39:10

like she was for sea.

39:14

Arose says. The recruiter brought her to

39:16

Epstein's townhouse, just blocks

39:18

from the school. When you first met him,

39:20

what did you think? What did he say? Very

39:23

nice, basically saying that you know, he's

39:25

heard a lot about me. You know, she the

39:28

recruiter was talking such nice things.

39:31

Arose says. She was served wine in Epstein's

39:33

kitchen and they talked. When she last,

39:35

she says, she was given three hundred dollars

39:37

and was repeatedly invited back.

39:40

It wasn't long after that that Arose

39:43

says that Epstein raped

39:45

her. It started as a regular massage,

39:48

and then it turned in to write

39:52

how many girls were raped

39:55

after US prosecutors

39:57

turned a blind eye. We

40:01

wait as just as some falls. Nancy

40:03

Grace climbs the story, signing off Goodbye

40:06

friend,