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our children. Crime
1:05
stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius x
1:08
M Triumph Channel one thirty two.
1:10
Sunny Vale police are trying to figure out how a
1:12
Google engineer ended up dead in San Francisco
1:15
Bay. The young woman was discovered floating naked
1:18
in the water last week. It's a tranquil setting
1:20
here along the Bay trail that stretches through
1:22
mountain View and Sunnyville. But that sense
1:24
of peace was interrupted last Thursday when
1:26
a passer by saw a naked body of
1:28
a woman floating in the water. A citizen
1:31
actually writing their bike this morning saw
1:33
the body in the water. The Santa Clara County Sheriff's
1:35
dive team recovered the body of twenty three year
1:37
old Chu Chu Ma the same day. Police
1:40
say her boyfriend filed a missing person's report
1:42
with Mountain View Police. We're talking
1:44
to family, We're talking your friends, were talking to acquaintances.
1:48
A gorgeous young woman,
1:51
a Google engineer, Brains
1:54
and beauty goes missing.
1:57
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
2:00
Thank you for being with us. I want to go straight
2:02
out first to Drew
2:05
Nelson, Crime Stories contributing reporter
2:08
Drew, please explain to me
2:11
when this young girl, uh,
2:14
brains and beauty goes
2:16
missing? How do we know she
2:18
went missing? Her boyfriend reported her missing
2:21
in mountain View, California. Joining
2:24
me Joe Scott Morgen, forensics expert
2:26
and Professor Forensics at Jacksonville
2:29
State University. Joe Scott
2:31
right there, when a boyfriend reports
2:35
a young lady and I'm talking specifically
2:37
about twenty three year old to last
2:41
named Ma. The
2:43
boyfriend becomes the first
2:45
suspect, whether they're guilty or not. Explain
2:48
why that is. Some people think it's unfair.
2:50
I don't. No, it's not unfair,
2:52
Nancy. It's logical and it's it's
2:55
pragmatic that the idea here is
2:57
that who do we who? Who are
2:59
we going to be in most danger with? And that's the intimates
3:02
the people that we are most intimate with
3:04
in our immediate circle. That's why
3:06
husbands and boyfriends, wives
3:08
and girlfriends are always going to be looked
3:10
at first in all of these cases.
3:13
Joining me, Dr Tiffany Sanders, Chicago
3:16
psychologist, Dr Tiffany, thanks
3:18
so much for weighing in this morning. We need
3:20
you. This beautiful young girl,
3:23
uh Shoe many people as a
3:25
nickname called her Choo Choo, was a
3:27
software engineer and the developer
3:30
product team and
3:32
Uh she was doing great. She'd been working
3:34
at Google for a year and a half
3:37
and had obtained her degree at
3:39
University of Texas at Austin, the
3:43
police and sunny Vale state
3:46
that it's a mystery. Why
3:48
is it that you always
3:51
look at the boyfriend or the husband
3:53
or the converse the wife
3:55
or the girlfriend first, Well, Nancy,
3:57
in many cases, you're gonna
4:00
to ask, why would a stranger a cost
4:02
or assault someone someone they don't
4:04
even know? Right, So, there there wouldn't
4:07
be enough reason or motive behind a random
4:09
person doing such harm
4:11
to this young lady, beautiful young lady.
4:14
So you want to examine, are
4:16
there any situations of domestic
4:19
violence or conflict
4:21
within the home or with intimate
4:23
family members? Because that would be the only
4:26
plausible or rational thought
4:28
when you wouldn't suspect a random person,
4:31
uh just coming up to her. You're right,
4:33
And when it boils down to Dr Tiffany and
4:35
my world, motive an opportunity, who
4:38
has the most opportunity to hurt
4:40
a victim, the people around her the
4:42
most, the people that see her the most.
4:44
You start with boyfriend, lover, husband,
4:47
ex boyfriend. Then you move out
4:50
family members like father, grandfather,
4:53
uncle, cousin. Then you move
4:55
out next door neighbor. Then you move
4:57
out people that live in the apartment
4:59
complex neighborhood. Then you move out
5:02
paper delivery person, uh,
5:04
FedEx delivery person, male
5:06
person, Uh yeah
5:10
yeah. Then you move out from there. Um
5:13
guy at the check out, guy at
5:15
the parking garage people she
5:17
sees at work that you keep moving
5:20
out until you find the pro and if it's
5:22
not within her circle, then you got
5:24
a problem because it's random and you
5:26
don't know which way to go. But then back
5:29
to jun Nelson Crime Stories
5:31
contributing investigative reporter Jew again,
5:33
thank you so much for being with us. Then let
5:36
me just fast forward. A tranquil,
5:39
very peaceful setting along the San
5:41
Francisco Bay Trail, which
5:43
is absolutely stunning. You
5:45
know, I took my children on an RV trip.
5:48
It was me, my husband, the two children, and
5:50
my mother ninety pounds of tiger
5:52
meat. As I like to say in an RV.
5:55
Let me just say, first of all, June
5:58
Nelson, because you're gonna one another facts. My
6:00
mother took up the entire
6:02
back two thirds of the r V. She
6:05
got the king bed and
6:07
the little bathroom. It
6:09
was all for her. It was just easier that way, trust
6:11
me. I slept on a
6:14
twin bed that was also
6:16
a deck sofa that
6:19
was you know, around the table. My husband
6:21
slept on the other side of the table, and the
6:23
twins somehow squirreled up in a
6:26
loft over the driver's seat. I
6:28
don't know where we were, but I learned all
6:31
over again how to start a fire with
6:33
lighter fluid, which I dropped into the
6:35
fire as the children were shrieking. My
6:38
point, Drew Nelson, is that we ended
6:41
up at the Golden gate Bridge
6:44
and I forced the little labouts to
6:46
walk across the Golden gate Bridge with me.
6:50
They complained bitterly for about the first two minutes.
6:52
Then they loved it and we looked
6:54
out at the San Francisco Bay and
6:58
it was like nothing I've ever seen, but for it
7:00
was just incredible.
7:03
And I've got that in my mind juxtaposed
7:08
against what I am going to ask
7:10
you, that tranquil setting
7:12
along the San Francisco Bay Trail,
7:15
it stretches through Mountain View and
7:17
Sunny Vale where Chu Chu goes missing,
7:20
and was completely that
7:23
sense of piece, completely torn
7:26
apart. What
7:28
happened to June
7:31
Nelson? And imagine
7:33
this idyllic setting. As you're
7:35
saying, there's a cyclist who
7:37
rides by every day overlooking
7:40
San Francisco Bay in Sunny Beale, California,
7:43
and today, this one day,
7:46
he spots a body floating
7:48
in the bay. He calls nine
7:50
one one, and it turns out
7:52
that this half naked woman in the bay
7:55
is choo choo, a half
7:58
naked woman. A
8:00
passerby happens to see the naked
8:02
body of a woman floating
8:05
in the water. A
8:08
cyclist who is on the trail all
8:10
the time named Don Savant tells us
8:12
quote, I'm surprised to find that
8:15
kind of thing here. He's talking about choo
8:17
choose naked body. Very
8:20
sad, terrible to have it happen anywhere.
8:22
I guess we all think that when a crime happens
8:25
in our world, in our neighborhood,
8:27
in our backyard. It's
8:29
my understanding to Drew Nelson that
8:32
the Santa Clara County Sheriff's dive
8:34
team then took to the waters.
8:37
Is that right true? Covered the body there?
8:41
That was San Francisco Bay, that's in sunny
8:43
Ville, Um, Santa Clara
8:45
County, and that is just down
8:48
the way from Mountain View
8:50
where she was reported missing by her boyfriend.
8:53
Now I want to look at the timeline here. Joe
8:55
Scott Morgan Joseph Scott Morgan joining
8:58
me. Forensics expert, death in investigator
9:01
and professor of forensics at Jacksona
9:03
State University. Joseph
9:05
Scott, I'm want to look at the timeline he
9:10
the boyfriend reports her missing.
9:13
That same day, he
9:15
fills a missing person's report with Mountain
9:18
View Police. We don't know yet
9:20
how to choose. Body ends
9:22
up floating naked in the water,
9:25
and police are trying to determine if foul play
9:28
was involved. Well, let me tell you something, Joe Scott. If
9:31
you study the book Methods and Assessment
9:34
of Homicide and Suicide, you will know immediately
9:38
that it is a cold
9:40
a in h G double L that
9:42
a female is found
9:45
that commits suicide naked.
9:48
Now, I think it's instinctive, or
9:50
maybe it's just ground into us. Men
9:53
don't care. They couldn't care less.
9:56
Women are practically statistically
10:01
never found dead
10:03
by suicide naked.
10:06
So let's just start with what we
10:08
know. She was reported missing
10:10
that day. I don't know how long she was missing
10:13
when the boyfriend reported Drew Nelson, do we
10:15
know that yet? How long have you been missing?
10:17
We do? We don't know. That's what I thought. Okay,
10:20
So Joe Scott, you
10:22
know, first off, the most curious
10:24
part to me is that, uh,
10:27
it would seem at least and I don't. We
10:29
don't have this peg down quite as of yet,
10:31
because the authorities haven't released a
10:34
lot of information yet. But it would seem
10:36
kind of interesting that
10:38
that she was reported missing within
10:41
twenty four hours of
10:43
of of not being seen,
10:46
well within that that bracketted time period,
10:49
and by the boyfriend. And then back
10:51
to this idea that what's unusual about
10:54
that, well, it just seems it seems a bit
10:56
strange, you know, that that that
10:58
she would she would be reported
11:01
as missing a grown woman in that
11:03
shorter period of time. We don't know anything
11:05
about the familial or the family relationship
11:08
dynamic. Did they actually live together,
11:11
did they live apart where they're supposed to have a
11:13
meeting with one another and she didn't show up?
11:15
Had she been threatened? Was he worried? So
11:18
all of these questions are still on the table
11:20
uh to be answered as yet, and
11:23
thus far the authorities have not released
11:25
much information that we can kind of plug
11:28
into to peg a lot of
11:30
this stuff down, and most importantly
11:32
the timeline, because that's critical in
11:34
any case like this. Just thinking about
11:36
what you're saying, Um, are you
11:38
trying in some way to implicate
11:41
the boyfriend? No? No, not at all,
11:43
Okay, because he has not been named
11:45
a suspect hold on the boyfriend.
11:48
The boyfriend has not been named a
11:50
suspect or a person of
11:52
interest. There are a lot of
11:54
scenarios to Dr Tiffany Sanders,
11:57
Chicago psychologists are joining us
11:59
here on serious into a
12:01
lot of scenarios under
12:04
which the boyfriend could be completely innocent.
12:06
I mean, I can think of one. UM,
12:10
he goes to work in the morning, the
12:12
whole day long, he doesn't hear from her.
12:15
He goes out with his friends that night, or goes
12:17
to his family's home, He gets
12:19
home late that night, hits the site, and
12:22
the next morning he realizes he hasn't heard
12:24
from her. That's one scenario, Dr
12:26
Tiffany. I'm not ready to point
12:28
the finger at anybody yet, but
12:31
are there scenarios, many of them, under
12:33
which the boyfriend could not be implicated.
12:36
You know, as I think about it, Nancy,
12:39
it seems so logical that the
12:41
boyfriend would be the one who's implicated
12:44
UM in this in this particular crime.
12:46
UM. The only situation where you would think
12:49
not is that, like the previous
12:51
guests was saying, if they had a dinner
12:53
date, they had an outing to go to UM
12:56
a work event and she and she was expected
12:58
to go. Um, but you
13:00
know, my my gut instinct says that's
13:03
not likely. What could have happened? Maybe
13:06
it was to to likely seeing somebody
13:08
else he found out, He became upset,
13:10
jealous, was enraged.
13:12
We have to ask those questions and investigating
13:15
and talking to her friends and family about the
13:17
dynamics of their relationship. Very is
13:20
very, very important. So at this juncture,
13:22
where does the case stand to Drew
13:24
Nelson, Crime Stories investigative reporter,
13:26
where does it stand? The investigators
13:29
are waiting on the toxicology report
13:31
and the autopsy. Uh,
13:33
there's no evidence to
13:36
show that there is a crime here
13:38
or that there isn't a crime here. There's
13:40
no evidence to show that we know of
13:43
that it was an accident or a suicide.
13:46
So as far as we're waiting on the
13:48
toxicology and autopsy to tell
13:50
us if we'll ever know what happened,
13:53
a twenty three year old woman, a
13:56
brilliant software engineer with Google,
13:59
has been down dead naked in the
14:01
San Francisco Bay waters. Just
14:04
got morgan. Um. If I
14:06
were a betting person, which I'm not, I
14:09
would bet this is no suicide. Joe
14:11
Scott, Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't.
14:13
I wouldn't think that it would be either, Nancy.
14:16
What's what strikes me is very
14:18
peculiar about this case is the fact that
14:21
she is somewhat undressed. I
14:23
don't know to what degree. I've
14:25
heard reports that range from partially
14:28
uh new to fully nude,
14:31
and so again that's unclear, but
14:33
we know that there is an absence of clothing.
14:36
I like, you have been to San Francisco, and
14:38
boy is it a beautiful place. But the one thing
14:40
I know about that San Francisco Bay
14:42
is it is cold.
14:45
It is very, very cold. And
14:47
I know that she just didn't, you know, stick her
14:49
toe in the water and decide, well, I'm going to take
14:52
off part of my clothes and just go for a swim.
14:54
Uh, That's just not going to happen. Most
14:57
people that go swimming out there
14:59
are the engaging any kind of water sports
15:01
uh wind surfing or anything like that,
15:03
or wearing wet suits or dry
15:05
suits out there because the water is so
15:08
incredibly cold. So this
15:10
is a very curious case. I'm also going to be
15:13
very interested in seeing the autopsy
15:15
report relative to what they find
15:17
in her lungs. I want to know if
15:20
there's any evidence. If she was alive
15:22
when she went into that water, we can determine,
15:25
say, for instance, maybe if she drowned. Uh,
15:28
and if there's any kind of trauma
15:30
to the body, things like
15:32
that that are very minute, like particular
15:35
images in the eyes to give an
15:37
indication that maybe there was some kind of asphyxiation
15:40
that went on. So the jury is
15:42
out and toxicology is gonna be
15:45
critical here, Nancy, if we're talking about
15:47
a potential suicide, I want to
15:49
know what level any drugs were in her system,
15:51
alcohol, that sort of thing, anything
15:53
that would have inhibited her ability
15:56
to take care of herself in a way that
15:59
she she fell into the water, that she it
16:01
was an unsurvivable event. But
16:03
again that brings us back to this idea,
16:05
why was she without
16:08
clothing? Well, I'll tell you
16:10
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16:13
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16:15
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16:18
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16:20
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16:22
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16:25
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16:29
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16:32
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16:40
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16:43
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16:45
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16:48
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16:53
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On Crime Stories Your Owner. On August
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eighteen, two thousand seven, team the defendant
19:27
lurned Savanna Lafontaine gray Wind,
19:30
who was eight months pregnant, up to her
19:32
apartment as a part of a conspiracy
19:34
to murder Savanna and steal her onborn
19:36
baby. Savanna's body
19:38
was found in the Red River on August seven,
19:41
two thousand seventeen. The baby was
19:43
not with her. Odo woman ends
19:46
up where you would never expect
19:49
in court on claims
19:52
she kidnaps and murders her
19:54
pregnant neighbor before
19:57
slicing the neighbor open
20:00
to steal her baby
20:03
and pass it off on her as her own.
20:06
Now I'll tell you Joe Scott,
20:08
Drew, Tiffany Jackie Allen.
20:11
One of the first times this came to the
20:13
forefront of the public consciousness
20:15
was during the Scott Peterson case. That
20:17
was one of the crazy, outlandish theories
20:20
that Mark Garrigos God Rest
20:22
his Soul came up with to
20:24
explain how somebody,
20:26
not really sure who other than Scott Peterson
20:28
murdered Lacy. That they must have
20:30
kidnapped her to cut baby Connor
20:33
out of her tummy. I I didn't bite
20:35
them because it's such a heinous thought. Since
20:37
that time, let's give the devil
20:39
his due, more and more
20:41
cases have emerged. So Garages
20:44
actually had a viable theory.
20:47
Of course it wasn't true, but still he had
20:49
a viable theory. Um.
20:51
I want to go out to Drew Nelson, Crime Stories
20:53
investigative reporter. What can you tell
20:56
me about Brooke Cruise
20:58
and the Grinsley murder
21:01
of her friend Savannah gray Win.
21:03
Let's start with the discovery of gray
21:05
Winds body. Savannah
21:07
gray Winds body was found in the
21:09
Red River. That was on
21:12
the August. Some
21:15
kayakers were in
21:17
the river and they found this body
21:20
wrapped in front. Oh my goodness. Well that certainly
21:22
rules out any kind of an accident. Go ahead. And
21:25
after that, the the investigation led
21:27
back to her friend.
21:29
As you were saying, Uh, this woman, Brooke
21:31
Cruise, that was the last person that
21:34
she was that Savannah was seen with
21:36
Brook Cruise thirty eight years old. Uh,
21:38
they were friends and they were the
21:41
last person who saw her
21:43
alive was Brooke Cruise.
21:47
They were just walking into her apartment and
21:49
that's the last we know about Savannah.
21:52
Well, that's a perfect place to start an investigation,
21:55
the last known whereabouts and
21:57
who you were with at the time you disappear. Savannah
22:01
gray Win was a full eight
22:03
months pregnant when she disappeared.
22:06
Not long after, about eight days later,
22:09
two kayakers discover the
22:11
mother to be's body, as Drew
22:13
Nelson tells us, wrapped in plastic
22:17
in a river, missing
22:21
her baby. The
22:23
baby was no longer in her body, and
22:25
she had not given birth
22:27
through a normal vaginal delivery.
22:30
So Joe Scott, right there,
22:32
where do cops go? Well,
22:35
the first thing they're gonna they're gonna look at is
22:37
all of the physical evidence that remains,
22:40
that remains in a particular case like this,
22:43
UH starting point is going to be the body,
22:46
the evidence that's that's left behind
22:48
as a result of of the trauma
22:50
that this woman would have had to have endured.
22:53
Not just as you pointed out, the body
22:56
is absent, the baby, Savannah's
22:58
Savannah's UH is absent.
23:01
This baby, the baby has obviously
23:03
been and this is very grisly. Nancy
23:05
has obviously been removed
23:08
um in some kind of uh
23:12
attempt to surgically extract
23:14
the baby, which apparently they did. And
23:16
then after this, after
23:18
this, the body is wrapped in plastic, tied
23:21
off with duct tape, and placed
23:23
into the river. And you
23:25
know, lots of times people do this for for two
23:27
points, for two reasons, First in a moving
23:30
body of water to get the body as far
23:32
away from the initial point of where this occurred.
23:35
And secondly, they submerge bodies
23:37
in water to try to get rid of evidence.
23:39
So we have to be very careful in cases like
23:41
this. The plastic, the duct tape
23:44
is going to be essential when they go
23:46
back to try to marry this up or match
23:48
it up with anything else they might find
23:51
at the scene. Another important
23:53
piece of physical information that's
23:55
going to come from her body is what
23:57
method, uh did they use to
24:00
to essentially remove
24:02
this baby? Uh. And And
24:05
it's it's really interesting, Nancy. They're they're gonna
24:07
they're going to actually when
24:09
the body is brought into the morgue, they're
24:11
gonna want to take a look at the body and say what
24:14
level of skill, what level
24:16
of skill did the individual possess
24:19
that removed this baby?
24:22
From this mother. I was saying
24:24
that the baby was gone. The
24:26
mom's body found wrapped in
24:28
plastic weighted down at
24:30
a river. My two
24:33
kayakers, And you
24:35
don't have to worry
24:37
or try to determine at autopsy
24:39
was it a normal vaginal delivery because
24:41
her stomach had
24:43
been sliced open.
24:47
Dr Tiffany Sanders, Chicago
24:50
Psychologists. I need a shrink in a big
24:52
way right now. Who could
24:55
do such a heinous thing?
24:59
Well, yeah, Nancy, when I
25:01
read the story details, I was appalled,
25:04
and it's just absolutely disgusted
25:07
at the fact that this woman would lure
25:09
this twenty two year old, beautiful young mom
25:11
to be and the desperation
25:14
that that woman must have had. She
25:16
must have been so desperate and not
25:19
be uh and not able to see
25:21
that this was heinous to rip a
25:23
young baby from the mother's womb
25:26
before it was even time for that baby to be
25:28
born or delivered. It's
25:30
just appalling. But Nancy, I have
25:32
to point out that the
25:34
fertility world is a very much pressured
25:36
field world. So here she is
25:39
thirty eight years old, this um the
25:41
perpetrator, and she's probably um
25:44
looking at her her body as the ages
25:46
and her inability to conceive on
25:48
her own, and and searching
25:50
and trigger trying to find ways to concede.
25:53
And she looks and say, hey, there's this young
25:55
lady. I can just take her baby. Why
25:58
not just adopt? Why not put yourself
26:00
up in a position where you you seek out for tility
26:02
treatment. Why steal someone else's
26:04
baby? And and it's appalling and you just
26:06
can't wrap your mind around it. Take a
26:08
listen to what police say after
26:11
kayakers make this horrific
26:14
discovery. Good evening,
26:16
everybody. I'm Chief Dave Todd with the Fargo
26:18
Police Department, and this is Sheriff Bilbert
26:20
Whist with the Clay County Sheriff's Department.
26:23
At about five forty four this
26:25
evening, kayakers in the
26:28
river discovered what
26:30
appeared to be a life or
26:32
a body sized object wrapped
26:35
in plastic in the river, hung
26:38
up on a log. The kayakers
26:41
notified law enforcement um
26:44
and also coincidantly, at the same time,
26:46
a search party was searching
26:48
a farmstead right down this road by
26:50
the bridge. There are some
26:53
suspicious uh items
26:55
in that farmstead that lead
26:57
us to believe that that may be a crime
27:00
scene. The body was
27:02
pulled out of the river by law enforcement
27:04
at about eight this evening,
27:08
and at about nine
27:10
that body was identified as
27:13
Savanna Savannah gray wind Um.
27:16
Savannah gray wind will be brought,
27:19
I believe, to the Ramsey
27:22
Ramsey County um Examiner,
27:26
and the family has been notified.
27:29
You know, just when you think you've seen it all,
27:32
josephs Got Morgan forensics expert.
27:34
You and I have handled so many homicides.
27:36
I can't even count them. It's
27:39
hard for people that are not in the crime
27:41
world. God bless him. You know, if
27:43
I did not feel a duty
27:46
to fight crime, I
27:48
would love to do something else,
27:51
like my original dream of being a Shakespearean
27:53
professor. But Joe's
27:55
got Morgan. When you're in this world, you
27:58
see one horrific crime
28:01
after the next, after the next, and
28:04
every time I think, I don't I've never
28:06
seen anything like it in my life. But I gotta
28:08
tell you, Joseph Scott Morgan. Finding
28:10
a young mom's body dead
28:13
wrapped in plastic, and then you unwrapped
28:16
that plastic and find her
28:18
sliced from her chest
28:21
to her pubic area. That's
28:24
how you find the body. I mean, that's
28:27
one of the worst things I've ever heard. I've got
28:29
to say Joe Scott. Yeah, it
28:32
rinks right up there for me as well, Nancy.
28:34
Uh And let's just go back
28:36
for a second and think about what
28:39
this young mother to be would
28:41
have endured because to the best
28:43
of my knowledge, um, there's
28:45
no anesthesia applied here.
28:48
Uh as Dr Tiffany had pointed out.
28:50
Uh, this, this young
28:53
young mother to be was
28:55
was not ready to give birth yet she's
28:57
only eight months along at this point. Uh
29:00
So. And the thing
29:02
about it is they have to keep her alive
29:05
long enough so that the child remains
29:07
viable. And that begs the question. I think this
29:09
is gonna come in with court, and I know that you,
29:12
being the prosecutor that you are, you
29:15
would really make a point of this. This
29:17
woman suffered as
29:19
they took some type
29:22
of edged weapon and sliced
29:24
her body open and then sliced
29:27
her womb open to get access
29:29
to this body, and all the while she's
29:31
there in terror. She's not just fearing
29:33
for her life and the pain that she's having to go through,
29:36
but also what is
29:38
going to happen to this precious life that is
29:40
inside of my body?
29:43
Now? I want to go to brook
29:46
Cruise mid thirties, who
29:48
ends up in court. This is Savannah's
29:51
friend, her next door
29:53
neighbor. I mean, Ah
29:57
ends up in court pleading
30:00
guilty now, so that means there's
30:02
no question that she did this. She
30:04
is saying under oath, she is
30:06
guilty of this grizzly murder
30:08
of twenty two year old Savannah gray Wind.
30:11
Interesting her boyfriend is
30:13
pleading not guilty. I think
30:16
I smell States testimony
30:18
in the works. But listen to
30:20
what happened in court your own. On
30:22
August eighteen, two thousand and seven, team
30:24
and defendant learned Savannah La Fontaine
30:27
gray Wind, who was eight months pregnant,
30:29
up to her apartment as a part of a conspiracy
30:32
to murder Savanna and steal her onborn
30:34
baby. Savannah's body
30:36
was found in the Red River on August seven,
30:39
two thousand seventeen. The baby was
30:41
not with her. The count one conspiracy
30:43
to commit murder. How do you play?
30:47
And if the court sentences you to a
30:49
sentence greater than you anticipated, you
30:51
will not be allowed to withdraw your plead. Do you
30:53
understand that? I understand? Rather, now
30:56
take a listen to this
30:58
defendant, Brooke Crew, who is
31:00
facing life in prison after pleading guilty.
31:03
Listen to what her sister says, w
31:06
d A Y six or foter Amy and tells
31:08
us about brook Crews past and how family
31:11
learned about the charges against their loved
31:13
one Amy. We spoke with Don
31:15
Dyer, one of brook Crews older sisters
31:17
who lives in North Carolina now. She said
31:19
after reading about this crime online, she
31:22
noticed a big change and who she remembers
31:24
as her sibling. You just don't
31:26
look the same she
31:30
looks like. But
31:32
even with her change in appearance, Dyer
31:34
says she never thought her sister would
31:36
be capable of such a vicious act. She
31:39
described Cruise in her younger years as
31:41
free and caring, even though she was
31:43
abused and had a criminal father. Dire
31:46
says through the years they grew aparts,
31:48
but she wishes she would have been able to
31:50
notice her sister's need for mental health
31:52
help to possibly keep this from
31:54
happening. Really really
31:58
are sorry for their love
32:01
and I
32:03
don't wish her upon anyone
32:06
and maybe
32:08
mind history. You know, it
32:12
was like metally gone and
32:14
I are also said she knew Cruis had three
32:16
or four children, but just learned
32:18
this week she has seven kids.
32:21
So to Dr Tiffany sand Or, Chicago
32:23
psychologists, how do you live without the rest
32:25
of your life behind bars? I mean, I guess
32:28
if you're vicious enough to do the crime,
32:30
it really doesn't bother that well, it
32:32
should bother her because she's gonna have plenty of time to
32:34
think about. You know, what she did
32:36
and how she uh pretty much ruined
32:38
her life, her boyfriend's life, and
32:41
the lives of this beautiful young child
32:43
who was just born and snatched away
32:45
from her mother and Nancy.
32:48
You want to think about what was the psyche
32:50
behind it? Was she that blinded
32:53
by her own sense of greed and selfishness
32:55
that she would cause that amount of immense
32:57
pain. She had to literally block out
33:00
the screens, the tears,
33:03
the agony that that young girl was going
33:05
in. It's truly unimaginable.
33:08
So I hope she has many
33:10
many years behind bars to suffer
33:12
from her own PTSD reminded
33:15
from that imagery over and over and over
33:17
again, because that was just unnecessary.
33:20
As we await the sentencing um,
33:22
this perpetrator who has played guilty under
33:25
oath, Brooke Crews, mid thirties,
33:27
who has admitted that she murdered
33:30
her neighbor her friend, slicing
33:32
her body open to steal
33:34
her baby. The baby is alive, by
33:37
the way, the baby was found in her
33:39
apartment that she shares with her living
33:41
boyfriend, so not a whole
33:43
lot of questioning there. I think at first
33:45
they tried to say that she had dropped the baby
33:48
off to babysitting the baby or
33:50
Sun Sun a story like that. Well that's
33:52
ridiculous. But I'm
33:54
just keeping my eye on the
33:57
live in boyfriend, William Hone,
33:59
aged thirty two, who has pled not
34:01
guilty. Okay,
34:04
his trial is coming up, and I've got a
34:06
pretty good idea who's going to be a state's witness
34:08
against him, Brooke Cruz,
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you've got a question? Yes,
36:11
Nancy. As I listened to this discussion,
36:13
it makes me ask how can
36:15
a baby survive being cut out
36:18
of its mother's womb by a criminal
36:20
who is not medically trained?
36:23
Cesarean? Births in a hospital
36:25
are not simple by a doctor. And
36:28
if the mother's already dead, could the baby
36:30
still be alive? Does the cutting
36:32
half have to happen while the mother is alive.
36:34
That's a horrible thing to imagine.
36:37
So I've called our expert,
36:39
Dr William Moroney to find out.
36:42
Dr Moroney, we have a case where
36:45
a woman has admitted to cutting a baby
36:47
out of an eight month pregnant
36:49
woman and the baby survived and
36:51
the baby is doing fine right now, how
36:54
does this happen? Childbirth?
36:56
Cesarean is not a simple thing.
36:59
Was this pure luck? Or
37:01
is this something that actually happens
37:04
in a baby can survive? Well, the
37:06
baby can survive, but
37:08
you always have to ask about the mother's
37:10
health. Babies are extremely
37:12
resilient, and delivering
37:15
the birth of a baby
37:17
through cesarean process really
37:19
puts about of
37:21
the trauma and the laceration
37:25
and the blood pressure risk
37:27
and the infection all on the
37:30
mother. In order to do this
37:32
in a hospital, a woman needs
37:34
anesthesia and
37:37
professionals. To do it outside
37:39
of the hospital, she would have
37:42
to have been drugged or
37:45
beaten and tied down or
37:49
subdued or killed.
37:52
And then you need five or six minutes to
37:55
go through three muscle
37:58
layers the body, heavity
38:00
and two uh carefully
38:04
enter the side of the uterus.
38:07
Based on the size of the baby. It's
38:10
really clear where you need to cut, but
38:13
you have five or six minutes to get that baby
38:15
out before the baby becomes an oxy.
38:17
The mother takes all the trauma well.
38:19
In this case, the mother was found dead
38:22
later by kayakers in a river, wrapped
38:25
up in plastic and taped up, so
38:28
we kind of know the route that this woman
38:30
took. She would have wanted
38:32
to keep the woman alive while she cut
38:34
the baby out. Is that right?
38:37
If you directly contribute to the death
38:39
of the mother, you have five
38:42
minutes plus or minus to
38:45
get that baby out before it gets an oxic.
38:47
Without oxygen, that baby
38:49
will die and have brain death. So
38:52
what possibly would have happened was the
38:55
mother was bound up t I do you think
38:58
subdued, knocked out or
39:00
whatever before this happened, and then
39:03
apparently without drugs or any kind of medical
39:05
instrument, the child was just cut
39:07
out, as you say, through three layers of muscle,
39:10
three layers of muscle of body cavity, and
39:13
then cut open the uterus. Cutting
39:15
open uterus would be very similar
39:17
to cutting open a punkin or a large watermelon.
39:21
I don't know if you google this and find out
39:23
how you're going to do it, But if you've got a plan to
39:25
steal your neighbor's baby in that brutal fashion,
39:28
I guess you either have to know what you're
39:30
doing or get kind of lucky. I suppose
39:33
because it's not I wouldn't think it would be an obvious
39:36
thing to know how to do. No, it
39:38
wouldn't. And that's where you put
39:40
the life of the baby at risk
39:43
after you get it out by not having
39:46
proper postpartum care. But
39:49
how you'd actually do it would be in a textbook
39:51
online or in a library for midwife's
39:54
or o b G y N doctors. And
39:57
the bottom line on this is she
40:00
really didn't care about the mother. That
40:03
makes a lot
40:05
of sense because when
40:07
you go in the hospital, it's the care of
40:09
the mother that's the primary concern,
40:12
and postpartum care of the
40:14
mother and the baby are
40:17
what professionals are trained for. Once
40:19
you consider the mother to be a crime victim
40:21
and disposable, this is
40:24
it's very dark, but it can be done,
40:28
and it is done. I mean, this case
40:30
we're talking about right now is not the
40:32
only time it's been done. And it's not just something
40:34
we see in the movies. No.
40:37
In the last decade that we've been on true crime
40:39
stories in the network, we've
40:41
seen this handful of times.
40:43
This happens often, but of
40:45
course, how do you explain the baby.
40:48
And in this case, the woman and
40:50
her boyfriend had been arrested, the
40:52
body was found, the baby recovered
40:55
alive, and now it's safe with
40:58
the father. But if
41:01
one thing had gone wrong, this baby would not be
41:03
with us. It's very
41:05
clear that there's some twisted
41:08
pathology behind the person doing
41:10
this. This is severe mental
41:13
illness and it causes
41:16
literally the murder of another person.
41:19
But there's there's no way to explain this,
41:21
and we just hope she gets
41:23
her her justice in the
41:25
system. But the
41:28
knowledge to do this is in
41:30
textbooks and on the internet,
41:33
and it means total
41:35
disregard for the life of another person. And
41:37
now let's listen to a news conference
41:40
from back in August. August that was
41:42
six days after Savannah disappeared, before
41:44
she was found dead far Go, North
41:46
Dakota Police Chief David Todd tells
41:49
reporters about making to
41:51
arrest in regard to this Anna
41:54
Marie gray Wind missing person's
41:56
case. As I stated
41:58
before, we've dedicated a lot of attention
42:00
to this case, but until
42:02
Wednesday, we had not yet established
42:05
a criminal nexus to this case
42:07
that would allow us to obtain warrants
42:10
for our residence and electronic devices.
42:14
We were running constant surveillance
42:16
and investigating several different theories
42:18
regarding Savannah being held against her
42:21
will and or her
42:23
unborn child being induced or
42:25
removed and possibly alive. Therefore,
42:29
we were careful about what we were saying
42:32
or releasing in fear that a
42:34
suspect or suspects may
42:36
panic and dispose of them
42:39
in order to get rid of incriminating evidence.
42:42
We were hoping the surveillance would produce
42:45
a result of the possible suspects
42:48
leading us to where Savannah or her
42:50
baby were. We
42:52
were able to develop a criminal nexus
42:55
on Wednesday, allowing
42:57
us to put together warrants and
42:59
a coordinated plan to take
43:01
William Henry Hone and
43:03
Brooke Lynn Cruise into custody
43:06
yesterday at two separate locations
43:09
and secure apartment number five at
43:13
ninth Street North for forensic
43:16
search pursuant to the search warrant
43:18
we had obtained. The
43:20
search was conducted by a specialized
43:23
forensics team.
43:26
As I said yesterday in my release,
43:29
our entry and search found a newborn
43:31
baby girl in apartment number
43:33
five
43:36
ninth Street North with Brooke
43:39
Lynn Cruise. The
43:41
baby girl was transported by
43:43
ambulance to a medical facility
43:46
where she is currently being cared for.
43:50
Detective interviews with Holmes
43:53
and Cruise indicate
43:55
the baby girl is Savannah's
43:57
baby. We are
44:00
going DNA testing to confirm
44:02
the identity of the baby.
44:04
However, testing and results
44:06
can take several days. In
44:10
the interviews. When it comes to
44:12
the topic of what happened to Savannah,
44:16
neither Hone nor Cruise
44:18
will cooperate with our investigation.
44:22
Both Hone and crews invoked
44:24
their right to counsel and refuse
44:27
to answer any more questions. At
44:30
that point, we arrested both of them
44:32
and charged them with Class A felony
44:35
conspiracy to commit kidnapping.
44:38
Thirty eight year old Brooke Lynn Cruise after
44:40
that guilty plea to conspiracy
44:42
to commit murder conspiracy to commit kidnapping
44:45
providing false information to police is
44:47
set to be sentenced in January.
44:49
January. If her presentencing
44:52
report is completed, she
44:54
could get a maximum for the conspiracy to
44:56
commit murder charge life in prison
44:58
without parole. The maximum and penalty for
45:00
the conspiracy to commit kidnapping twenty
45:03
years in prison, a find of twenty dollars
45:05
and there is a trial coming up. Unless William
45:08
Henry Haunt two pleads
45:10
guilty, he faces the same charges as
45:12
his girlfriend. He has pleaded not
45:15
guilty so far, a trial is set
45:17
in Cass County District Court to
45:19
begin March. I
45:22
want to thank one other partner who
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was making our program possible and
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friend,
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