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our children. Crime

1:05

stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius x

1:08

M Triumph Channel one thirty two.

1:10

Sunny Vale police are trying to figure out how a

1:12

Google engineer ended up dead in San Francisco

1:15

Bay. The young woman was discovered floating naked

1:18

in the water last week. It's a tranquil setting

1:20

here along the Bay trail that stretches through

1:22

mountain View and Sunnyville. But that sense

1:24

of peace was interrupted last Thursday when

1:26

a passer by saw a naked body of

1:28

a woman floating in the water. A citizen

1:31

actually writing their bike this morning saw

1:33

the body in the water. The Santa Clara County Sheriff's

1:35

dive team recovered the body of twenty three year

1:37

old Chu Chu Ma the same day. Police

1:40

say her boyfriend filed a missing person's report

1:42

with Mountain View Police. We're talking

1:44

to family, We're talking your friends, were talking to acquaintances.

1:48

A gorgeous young woman,

1:51

a Google engineer, Brains

1:54

and beauty goes missing.

1:57

I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

2:00

Thank you for being with us. I want to go straight

2:02

out first to Drew

2:05

Nelson, Crime Stories contributing reporter

2:08

Drew, please explain to me

2:11

when this young girl, uh,

2:14

brains and beauty goes

2:16

missing? How do we know she

2:18

went missing? Her boyfriend reported her missing

2:21

in mountain View, California. Joining

2:24

me Joe Scott Morgen, forensics expert

2:26

and Professor Forensics at Jacksonville

2:29

State University. Joe Scott

2:31

right there, when a boyfriend reports

2:35

a young lady and I'm talking specifically

2:37

about twenty three year old to last

2:41

named Ma. The

2:43

boyfriend becomes the first

2:45

suspect, whether they're guilty or not. Explain

2:48

why that is. Some people think it's unfair.

2:50

I don't. No, it's not unfair,

2:52

Nancy. It's logical and it's it's

2:55

pragmatic that the idea here is

2:57

that who do we who? Who are

2:59

we going to be in most danger with? And that's the intimates

3:02

the people that we are most intimate with

3:04

in our immediate circle. That's why

3:06

husbands and boyfriends, wives

3:08

and girlfriends are always going to be looked

3:10

at first in all of these cases.

3:13

Joining me, Dr Tiffany Sanders, Chicago

3:16

psychologist, Dr Tiffany, thanks

3:18

so much for weighing in this morning. We need

3:20

you. This beautiful young girl,

3:23

uh Shoe many people as a

3:25

nickname called her Choo Choo, was a

3:27

software engineer and the developer

3:30

product team and

3:32

Uh she was doing great. She'd been working

3:34

at Google for a year and a half

3:37

and had obtained her degree at

3:39

University of Texas at Austin, the

3:43

police and sunny Vale state

3:46

that it's a mystery. Why

3:48

is it that you always

3:51

look at the boyfriend or the husband

3:53

or the converse the wife

3:55

or the girlfriend first, Well, Nancy,

3:57

in many cases, you're gonna

4:00

to ask, why would a stranger a cost

4:02

or assault someone someone they don't

4:04

even know? Right, So, there there wouldn't

4:07

be enough reason or motive behind a random

4:09

person doing such harm

4:11

to this young lady, beautiful young lady.

4:14

So you want to examine, are

4:16

there any situations of domestic

4:19

violence or conflict

4:21

within the home or with intimate

4:23

family members? Because that would be the only

4:26

plausible or rational thought

4:28

when you wouldn't suspect a random person,

4:31

uh just coming up to her. You're right,

4:33

And when it boils down to Dr Tiffany and

4:35

my world, motive an opportunity, who

4:38

has the most opportunity to hurt

4:40

a victim, the people around her the

4:42

most, the people that see her the most.

4:44

You start with boyfriend, lover, husband,

4:47

ex boyfriend. Then you move out

4:50

family members like father, grandfather,

4:53

uncle, cousin. Then you move

4:55

out next door neighbor. Then you move

4:57

out people that live in the apartment

4:59

complex neighborhood. Then you move out

5:02

paper delivery person, uh,

5:04

FedEx delivery person, male

5:06

person, Uh yeah

5:10

yeah. Then you move out from there. Um

5:13

guy at the check out, guy at

5:15

the parking garage people she

5:17

sees at work that you keep moving

5:20

out until you find the pro and if it's

5:22

not within her circle, then you got

5:24

a problem because it's random and you

5:26

don't know which way to go. But then back

5:29

to jun Nelson Crime Stories

5:31

contributing investigative reporter Jew again,

5:33

thank you so much for being with us. Then let

5:36

me just fast forward. A tranquil,

5:39

very peaceful setting along the San

5:41

Francisco Bay Trail, which

5:43

is absolutely stunning. You

5:45

know, I took my children on an RV trip.

5:48

It was me, my husband, the two children, and

5:50

my mother ninety pounds of tiger

5:52

meat. As I like to say in an RV.

5:55

Let me just say, first of all, June

5:58

Nelson, because you're gonna one another facts. My

6:00

mother took up the entire

6:02

back two thirds of the r V. She

6:05

got the king bed and

6:07

the little bathroom. It

6:09

was all for her. It was just easier that way, trust

6:11

me. I slept on a

6:14

twin bed that was also

6:16

a deck sofa that

6:19

was you know, around the table. My husband

6:21

slept on the other side of the table, and the

6:23

twins somehow squirreled up in a

6:26

loft over the driver's seat. I

6:28

don't know where we were, but I learned all

6:31

over again how to start a fire with

6:33

lighter fluid, which I dropped into the

6:35

fire as the children were shrieking. My

6:38

point, Drew Nelson, is that we ended

6:41

up at the Golden gate Bridge

6:44

and I forced the little labouts to

6:46

walk across the Golden gate Bridge with me.

6:50

They complained bitterly for about the first two minutes.

6:52

Then they loved it and we looked

6:54

out at the San Francisco Bay and

6:58

it was like nothing I've ever seen, but for it

7:00

was just incredible.

7:03

And I've got that in my mind juxtaposed

7:08

against what I am going to ask

7:10

you, that tranquil setting

7:12

along the San Francisco Bay Trail,

7:15

it stretches through Mountain View and

7:17

Sunny Vale where Chu Chu goes missing,

7:20

and was completely that

7:23

sense of piece, completely torn

7:26

apart. What

7:28

happened to June

7:31

Nelson? And imagine

7:33

this idyllic setting. As you're

7:35

saying, there's a cyclist who

7:37

rides by every day overlooking

7:40

San Francisco Bay in Sunny Beale, California,

7:43

and today, this one day,

7:46

he spots a body floating

7:48

in the bay. He calls nine

7:50

one one, and it turns out

7:52

that this half naked woman in the bay

7:55

is choo choo, a half

7:58

naked woman. A

8:00

passerby happens to see the naked

8:02

body of a woman floating

8:05

in the water. A

8:08

cyclist who is on the trail all

8:10

the time named Don Savant tells us

8:12

quote, I'm surprised to find that

8:15

kind of thing here. He's talking about choo

8:17

choose naked body. Very

8:20

sad, terrible to have it happen anywhere.

8:22

I guess we all think that when a crime happens

8:25

in our world, in our neighborhood,

8:27

in our backyard. It's

8:29

my understanding to Drew Nelson that

8:32

the Santa Clara County Sheriff's dive

8:34

team then took to the waters.

8:37

Is that right true? Covered the body there?

8:41

That was San Francisco Bay, that's in sunny

8:43

Ville, Um, Santa Clara

8:45

County, and that is just down

8:48

the way from Mountain View

8:50

where she was reported missing by her boyfriend.

8:53

Now I want to look at the timeline here. Joe

8:55

Scott Morgan Joseph Scott Morgan joining

8:58

me. Forensics expert, death in investigator

9:01

and professor of forensics at Jacksona

9:03

State University. Joseph

9:05

Scott, I'm want to look at the timeline he

9:10

the boyfriend reports her missing.

9:13

That same day, he

9:15

fills a missing person's report with Mountain

9:18

View Police. We don't know yet

9:20

how to choose. Body ends

9:22

up floating naked in the water,

9:25

and police are trying to determine if foul play

9:28

was involved. Well, let me tell you something, Joe Scott. If

9:31

you study the book Methods and Assessment

9:34

of Homicide and Suicide, you will know immediately

9:38

that it is a cold

9:40

a in h G double L that

9:42

a female is found

9:45

that commits suicide naked.

9:48

Now, I think it's instinctive, or

9:50

maybe it's just ground into us. Men

9:53

don't care. They couldn't care less.

9:56

Women are practically statistically

10:01

never found dead

10:03

by suicide naked.

10:06

So let's just start with what we

10:08

know. She was reported missing

10:10

that day. I don't know how long she was missing

10:13

when the boyfriend reported Drew Nelson, do we

10:15

know that yet? How long have you been missing?

10:17

We do? We don't know. That's what I thought. Okay,

10:20

So Joe Scott, you

10:22

know, first off, the most curious

10:24

part to me is that, uh,

10:27

it would seem at least and I don't. We

10:29

don't have this peg down quite as of yet,

10:31

because the authorities haven't released a

10:34

lot of information yet. But it would seem

10:36

kind of interesting that

10:38

that she was reported missing within

10:41

twenty four hours of

10:43

of of not being seen,

10:46

well within that that bracketted time period,

10:49

and by the boyfriend. And then back

10:51

to this idea that what's unusual about

10:54

that, well, it just seems it seems a bit

10:56

strange, you know, that that that

10:58

she would she would be reported

11:01

as missing a grown woman in that

11:03

shorter period of time. We don't know anything

11:05

about the familial or the family relationship

11:08

dynamic. Did they actually live together,

11:11

did they live apart where they're supposed to have a

11:13

meeting with one another and she didn't show up?

11:15

Had she been threatened? Was he worried? So

11:18

all of these questions are still on the table

11:20

uh to be answered as yet, and

11:23

thus far the authorities have not released

11:25

much information that we can kind of plug

11:28

into to peg a lot of

11:30

this stuff down, and most importantly

11:32

the timeline, because that's critical in

11:34

any case like this. Just thinking about

11:36

what you're saying, Um, are you

11:38

trying in some way to implicate

11:41

the boyfriend? No? No, not at all,

11:43

Okay, because he has not been named

11:45

a suspect hold on the boyfriend.

11:48

The boyfriend has not been named a

11:50

suspect or a person of

11:52

interest. There are a lot of

11:54

scenarios to Dr Tiffany Sanders,

11:57

Chicago psychologists are joining us

11:59

here on serious into a

12:01

lot of scenarios under

12:04

which the boyfriend could be completely innocent.

12:06

I mean, I can think of one. UM,

12:10

he goes to work in the morning, the

12:12

whole day long, he doesn't hear from her.

12:15

He goes out with his friends that night, or goes

12:17

to his family's home, He gets

12:19

home late that night, hits the site, and

12:22

the next morning he realizes he hasn't heard

12:24

from her. That's one scenario, Dr

12:26

Tiffany. I'm not ready to point

12:28

the finger at anybody yet, but

12:31

are there scenarios, many of them, under

12:33

which the boyfriend could not be implicated.

12:36

You know, as I think about it, Nancy,

12:39

it seems so logical that the

12:41

boyfriend would be the one who's implicated

12:44

UM in this in this particular crime.

12:46

UM. The only situation where you would think

12:49

not is that, like the previous

12:51

guests was saying, if they had a dinner

12:53

date, they had an outing to go to UM

12:56

a work event and she and she was expected

12:58

to go. Um, but you

13:00

know, my my gut instinct says that's

13:03

not likely. What could have happened? Maybe

13:06

it was to to likely seeing somebody

13:08

else he found out, He became upset,

13:10

jealous, was enraged.

13:12

We have to ask those questions and investigating

13:15

and talking to her friends and family about the

13:17

dynamics of their relationship. Very is

13:20

very, very important. So at this juncture,

13:22

where does the case stand to Drew

13:24

Nelson, Crime Stories investigative reporter,

13:26

where does it stand? The investigators

13:29

are waiting on the toxicology report

13:31

and the autopsy. Uh,

13:33

there's no evidence to

13:36

show that there is a crime here

13:38

or that there isn't a crime here. There's

13:40

no evidence to show that we know of

13:43

that it was an accident or a suicide.

13:46

So as far as we're waiting on the

13:48

toxicology and autopsy to tell

13:50

us if we'll ever know what happened,

13:53

a twenty three year old woman, a

13:56

brilliant software engineer with Google,

13:59

has been down dead naked in the

14:01

San Francisco Bay waters. Just

14:04

got morgan. Um. If I

14:06

were a betting person, which I'm not, I

14:09

would bet this is no suicide. Joe

14:11

Scott, Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't.

14:13

I wouldn't think that it would be either, Nancy.

14:16

What's what strikes me is very

14:18

peculiar about this case is the fact that

14:21

she is somewhat undressed. I

14:23

don't know to what degree. I've

14:25

heard reports that range from partially

14:28

uh new to fully nude,

14:31

and so again that's unclear, but

14:33

we know that there is an absence of clothing.

14:36

I like, you have been to San Francisco, and

14:38

boy is it a beautiful place. But the one thing

14:40

I know about that San Francisco Bay

14:42

is it is cold.

14:45

It is very, very cold. And

14:47

I know that she just didn't, you know, stick her

14:49

toe in the water and decide, well, I'm going to take

14:52

off part of my clothes and just go for a swim.

14:54

Uh, That's just not going to happen. Most

14:57

people that go swimming out there

14:59

are the engaging any kind of water sports

15:01

uh wind surfing or anything like that,

15:03

or wearing wet suits or dry

15:05

suits out there because the water is so

15:08

incredibly cold. So this

15:10

is a very curious case. I'm also going to be

15:13

very interested in seeing the autopsy

15:15

report relative to what they find

15:17

in her lungs. I want to know if

15:20

there's any evidence. If she was alive

15:22

when she went into that water, we can determine,

15:25

say, for instance, maybe if she drowned. Uh,

15:28

and if there's any kind of trauma

15:30

to the body, things like

15:32

that that are very minute, like particular

15:35

images in the eyes to give an

15:37

indication that maybe there was some kind of asphyxiation

15:40

that went on. So the jury is

15:42

out and toxicology is gonna be

15:45

critical here, Nancy, if we're talking about

15:47

a potential suicide, I want to

15:49

know what level any drugs were in her system,

15:51

alcohol, that sort of thing, anything

15:53

that would have inhibited her ability

15:56

to take care of herself in a way that

15:59

she she fell into the water, that she it

16:01

was an unsurvivable event. But

16:03

again that brings us back to this idea,

16:05

why was she without

16:08

clothing? Well, I'll tell you

16:10

the way I'm discussing this, just

16:13

to put it out there, is, you know, with

16:15

the backdrop of a very very dear

16:18

friend of mine, Bob

16:20

Sefeld, who

16:22

died in the San Francisco Bay

16:25

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16:29

of suicide and

16:32

nobody saw it coming. And

16:35

every day since

16:38

that happened. I guess that was back in about

16:40

two thousand and eight, I

16:43

beat myself up wondering what

16:45

I could have done too, maybe

16:48

stop that from happening. So

16:51

many times as suicide, you don't see

16:53

it coming. So as I'm discussing

16:55

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16:58

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On Crime Stories Your Owner. On August

19:25

eighteen, two thousand seven, team the defendant

19:27

lurned Savanna Lafontaine gray Wind,

19:30

who was eight months pregnant, up to her

19:32

apartment as a part of a conspiracy

19:34

to murder Savanna and steal her onborn

19:36

baby. Savanna's body

19:38

was found in the Red River on August seven,

19:41

two thousand seventeen. The baby was

19:43

not with her. Odo woman ends

19:46

up where you would never expect

19:49

in court on claims

19:52

she kidnaps and murders her

19:54

pregnant neighbor before

19:57

slicing the neighbor open

20:00

to steal her baby

20:03

and pass it off on her as her own.

20:06

Now I'll tell you Joe Scott,

20:08

Drew, Tiffany Jackie Allen.

20:11

One of the first times this came to the

20:13

forefront of the public consciousness

20:15

was during the Scott Peterson case. That

20:17

was one of the crazy, outlandish theories

20:20

that Mark Garrigos God Rest

20:22

his Soul came up with to

20:24

explain how somebody,

20:26

not really sure who other than Scott Peterson

20:28

murdered Lacy. That they must have

20:30

kidnapped her to cut baby Connor

20:33

out of her tummy. I I didn't bite

20:35

them because it's such a heinous thought. Since

20:37

that time, let's give the devil

20:39

his due, more and more

20:41

cases have emerged. So Garages

20:44

actually had a viable theory.

20:47

Of course it wasn't true, but still he had

20:49

a viable theory. Um.

20:51

I want to go out to Drew Nelson, Crime Stories

20:53

investigative reporter. What can you tell

20:56

me about Brooke Cruise

20:58

and the Grinsley murder

21:01

of her friend Savannah gray Win.

21:03

Let's start with the discovery of gray

21:05

Winds body. Savannah

21:07

gray Winds body was found in the

21:09

Red River. That was on

21:12

the August. Some

21:15

kayakers were in

21:17

the river and they found this body

21:20

wrapped in front. Oh my goodness. Well that certainly

21:22

rules out any kind of an accident. Go ahead. And

21:25

after that, the the investigation led

21:27

back to her friend.

21:29

As you were saying, Uh, this woman, Brooke

21:31

Cruise, that was the last person that

21:34

she was that Savannah was seen with

21:36

Brook Cruise thirty eight years old. Uh,

21:38

they were friends and they were the

21:41

last person who saw her

21:43

alive was Brooke Cruise.

21:47

They were just walking into her apartment and

21:49

that's the last we know about Savannah.

21:52

Well, that's a perfect place to start an investigation,

21:55

the last known whereabouts and

21:57

who you were with at the time you disappear. Savannah

22:01

gray Win was a full eight

22:03

months pregnant when she disappeared.

22:06

Not long after, about eight days later,

22:09

two kayakers discover the

22:11

mother to be's body, as Drew

22:13

Nelson tells us, wrapped in plastic

22:17

in a river, missing

22:21

her baby. The

22:23

baby was no longer in her body, and

22:25

she had not given birth

22:27

through a normal vaginal delivery.

22:30

So Joe Scott, right there,

22:32

where do cops go? Well,

22:35

the first thing they're gonna they're gonna look at is

22:37

all of the physical evidence that remains,

22:40

that remains in a particular case like this,

22:43

UH starting point is going to be the body,

22:46

the evidence that's that's left behind

22:48

as a result of of the trauma

22:50

that this woman would have had to have endured.

22:53

Not just as you pointed out, the body

22:56

is absent, the baby, Savannah's

22:58

Savannah's UH is absent.

23:01

This baby, the baby has obviously

23:03

been and this is very grisly. Nancy

23:05

has obviously been removed

23:08

um in some kind of uh

23:12

attempt to surgically extract

23:14

the baby, which apparently they did. And

23:16

then after this, after

23:18

this, the body is wrapped in plastic, tied

23:21

off with duct tape, and placed

23:23

into the river. And you

23:25

know, lots of times people do this for for two

23:27

points, for two reasons, First in a moving

23:30

body of water to get the body as far

23:32

away from the initial point of where this occurred.

23:35

And secondly, they submerge bodies

23:37

in water to try to get rid of evidence.

23:39

So we have to be very careful in cases like

23:41

this. The plastic, the duct tape

23:44

is going to be essential when they go

23:46

back to try to marry this up or match

23:48

it up with anything else they might find

23:51

at the scene. Another important

23:53

piece of physical information that's

23:55

going to come from her body is what

23:57

method, uh did they use to

24:00

to essentially remove

24:02

this baby? Uh. And And

24:05

it's it's really interesting, Nancy. They're they're gonna

24:07

they're going to actually when

24:09

the body is brought into the morgue, they're

24:11

gonna want to take a look at the body and say what

24:14

level of skill, what level

24:16

of skill did the individual possess

24:19

that removed this baby?

24:22

From this mother. I was saying

24:24

that the baby was gone. The

24:26

mom's body found wrapped in

24:28

plastic weighted down at

24:30

a river. My two

24:33

kayakers, And you

24:35

don't have to worry

24:37

or try to determine at autopsy

24:39

was it a normal vaginal delivery because

24:41

her stomach had

24:43

been sliced open.

24:47

Dr Tiffany Sanders, Chicago

24:50

Psychologists. I need a shrink in a big

24:52

way right now. Who could

24:55

do such a heinous thing?

24:59

Well, yeah, Nancy, when I

25:01

read the story details, I was appalled,

25:04

and it's just absolutely disgusted

25:07

at the fact that this woman would lure

25:09

this twenty two year old, beautiful young mom

25:11

to be and the desperation

25:14

that that woman must have had. She

25:16

must have been so desperate and not

25:19

be uh and not able to see

25:21

that this was heinous to rip a

25:23

young baby from the mother's womb

25:26

before it was even time for that baby to be

25:28

born or delivered. It's

25:30

just appalling. But Nancy, I have

25:32

to point out that the

25:34

fertility world is a very much pressured

25:36

field world. So here she is

25:39

thirty eight years old, this um the

25:41

perpetrator, and she's probably um

25:44

looking at her her body as the ages

25:46

and her inability to conceive on

25:48

her own, and and searching

25:50

and trigger trying to find ways to concede.

25:53

And she looks and say, hey, there's this young

25:55

lady. I can just take her baby. Why

25:58

not just adopt? Why not put yourself

26:00

up in a position where you you seek out for tility

26:02

treatment. Why steal someone else's

26:04

baby? And and it's appalling and you just

26:06

can't wrap your mind around it. Take a

26:08

listen to what police say after

26:11

kayakers make this horrific

26:14

discovery. Good evening,

26:16

everybody. I'm Chief Dave Todd with the Fargo

26:18

Police Department, and this is Sheriff Bilbert

26:20

Whist with the Clay County Sheriff's Department.

26:23

At about five forty four this

26:25

evening, kayakers in the

26:28

river discovered what

26:30

appeared to be a life or

26:32

a body sized object wrapped

26:35

in plastic in the river, hung

26:38

up on a log. The kayakers

26:41

notified law enforcement um

26:44

and also coincidantly, at the same time,

26:46

a search party was searching

26:48

a farmstead right down this road by

26:50

the bridge. There are some

26:53

suspicious uh items

26:55

in that farmstead that lead

26:57

us to believe that that may be a crime

27:00

scene. The body was

27:02

pulled out of the river by law enforcement

27:04

at about eight this evening,

27:08

and at about nine

27:10

that body was identified as

27:13

Savanna Savannah gray wind Um.

27:16

Savannah gray wind will be brought,

27:19

I believe, to the Ramsey

27:22

Ramsey County um Examiner,

27:26

and the family has been notified.

27:29

You know, just when you think you've seen it all,

27:32

josephs Got Morgan forensics expert.

27:34

You and I have handled so many homicides.

27:36

I can't even count them. It's

27:39

hard for people that are not in the crime

27:41

world. God bless him. You know, if

27:43

I did not feel a duty

27:46

to fight crime, I

27:48

would love to do something else,

27:51

like my original dream of being a Shakespearean

27:53

professor. But Joe's

27:55

got Morgan. When you're in this world, you

27:58

see one horrific crime

28:01

after the next, after the next, and

28:04

every time I think, I don't I've never

28:06

seen anything like it in my life. But I gotta

28:08

tell you, Joseph Scott Morgan. Finding

28:10

a young mom's body dead

28:13

wrapped in plastic, and then you unwrapped

28:16

that plastic and find her

28:18

sliced from her chest

28:21

to her pubic area. That's

28:24

how you find the body. I mean, that's

28:27

one of the worst things I've ever heard. I've got

28:29

to say Joe Scott. Yeah, it

28:32

rinks right up there for me as well, Nancy.

28:34

Uh And let's just go back

28:36

for a second and think about what

28:39

this young mother to be would

28:41

have endured because to the best

28:43

of my knowledge, um, there's

28:45

no anesthesia applied here.

28:48

Uh as Dr Tiffany had pointed out.

28:50

Uh, this, this young

28:53

young mother to be was

28:55

was not ready to give birth yet she's

28:57

only eight months along at this point. Uh

29:00

So. And the thing

29:02

about it is they have to keep her alive

29:05

long enough so that the child remains

29:07

viable. And that begs the question. I think this

29:09

is gonna come in with court, and I know that you,

29:12

being the prosecutor that you are, you

29:15

would really make a point of this. This

29:17

woman suffered as

29:19

they took some type

29:22

of edged weapon and sliced

29:24

her body open and then sliced

29:27

her womb open to get access

29:29

to this body, and all the while she's

29:31

there in terror. She's not just fearing

29:33

for her life and the pain that she's having to go through,

29:36

but also what is

29:38

going to happen to this precious life that is

29:40

inside of my body?

29:43

Now? I want to go to brook

29:46

Cruise mid thirties, who

29:48

ends up in court. This is Savannah's

29:51

friend, her next door

29:53

neighbor. I mean, Ah

29:57

ends up in court pleading

30:00

guilty now, so that means there's

30:02

no question that she did this. She

30:04

is saying under oath, she is

30:06

guilty of this grizzly murder

30:08

of twenty two year old Savannah gray Wind.

30:11

Interesting her boyfriend is

30:13

pleading not guilty. I think

30:16

I smell States testimony

30:18

in the works. But listen to

30:20

what happened in court your own. On

30:22

August eighteen, two thousand and seven, team

30:24

and defendant learned Savannah La Fontaine

30:27

gray Wind, who was eight months pregnant,

30:29

up to her apartment as a part of a conspiracy

30:32

to murder Savanna and steal her onborn

30:34

baby. Savannah's body

30:36

was found in the Red River on August seven,

30:39

two thousand seventeen. The baby was

30:41

not with her. The count one conspiracy

30:43

to commit murder. How do you play?

30:47

And if the court sentences you to a

30:49

sentence greater than you anticipated, you

30:51

will not be allowed to withdraw your plead. Do you

30:53

understand that? I understand? Rather, now

30:56

take a listen to this

30:58

defendant, Brooke Crew, who is

31:00

facing life in prison after pleading guilty.

31:03

Listen to what her sister says, w

31:06

d A Y six or foter Amy and tells

31:08

us about brook Crews past and how family

31:11

learned about the charges against their loved

31:13

one Amy. We spoke with Don

31:15

Dyer, one of brook Crews older sisters

31:17

who lives in North Carolina now. She said

31:19

after reading about this crime online, she

31:22

noticed a big change and who she remembers

31:24

as her sibling. You just don't

31:26

look the same she

31:30

looks like. But

31:32

even with her change in appearance, Dyer

31:34

says she never thought her sister would

31:36

be capable of such a vicious act. She

31:39

described Cruise in her younger years as

31:41

free and caring, even though she was

31:43

abused and had a criminal father. Dire

31:46

says through the years they grew aparts,

31:48

but she wishes she would have been able to

31:50

notice her sister's need for mental health

31:52

help to possibly keep this from

31:54

happening. Really really

31:58

are sorry for their love

32:01

and I

32:03

don't wish her upon anyone

32:06

and maybe

32:08

mind history. You know, it

32:12

was like metally gone and

32:14

I are also said she knew Cruis had three

32:16

or four children, but just learned

32:18

this week she has seven kids.

32:21

So to Dr Tiffany sand Or, Chicago

32:23

psychologists, how do you live without the rest

32:25

of your life behind bars? I mean, I guess

32:28

if you're vicious enough to do the crime,

32:30

it really doesn't bother that well, it

32:32

should bother her because she's gonna have plenty of time to

32:34

think about. You know, what she did

32:36

and how she uh pretty much ruined

32:38

her life, her boyfriend's life, and

32:41

the lives of this beautiful young child

32:43

who was just born and snatched away

32:45

from her mother and Nancy.

32:48

You want to think about what was the psyche

32:50

behind it? Was she that blinded

32:53

by her own sense of greed and selfishness

32:55

that she would cause that amount of immense

32:57

pain. She had to literally block out

33:00

the screens, the tears,

33:03

the agony that that young girl was going

33:05

in. It's truly unimaginable.

33:08

So I hope she has many

33:10

many years behind bars to suffer

33:12

from her own PTSD reminded

33:15

from that imagery over and over and over

33:17

again, because that was just unnecessary.

33:20

As we await the sentencing um,

33:22

this perpetrator who has played guilty under

33:25

oath, Brooke Crews, mid thirties,

33:27

who has admitted that she murdered

33:30

her neighbor her friend, slicing

33:32

her body open to steal

33:34

her baby. The baby is alive, by

33:37

the way, the baby was found in her

33:39

apartment that she shares with her living

33:41

boyfriend, so not a whole

33:43

lot of questioning there. I think at first

33:45

they tried to say that she had dropped the baby

33:48

off to babysitting the baby or

33:50

Sun Sun a story like that. Well that's

33:52

ridiculous. But I'm

33:54

just keeping my eye on the

33:57

live in boyfriend, William Hone,

33:59

aged thirty two, who has pled not

34:01

guilty. Okay,

34:04

his trial is coming up, and I've got a

34:06

pretty good idea who's going to be a state's witness

34:08

against him, Brooke Cruz,

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you've got a question? Yes,

36:11

Nancy. As I listened to this discussion,

36:13

it makes me ask how can

36:15

a baby survive being cut out

36:18

of its mother's womb by a criminal

36:20

who is not medically trained?

36:23

Cesarean? Births in a hospital

36:25

are not simple by a doctor. And

36:28

if the mother's already dead, could the baby

36:30

still be alive? Does the cutting

36:32

half have to happen while the mother is alive.

36:34

That's a horrible thing to imagine.

36:37

So I've called our expert,

36:39

Dr William Moroney to find out.

36:42

Dr Moroney, we have a case where

36:45

a woman has admitted to cutting a baby

36:47

out of an eight month pregnant

36:49

woman and the baby survived and

36:51

the baby is doing fine right now, how

36:54

does this happen? Childbirth?

36:56

Cesarean is not a simple thing.

36:59

Was this pure luck? Or

37:01

is this something that actually happens

37:04

in a baby can survive? Well, the

37:06

baby can survive, but

37:08

you always have to ask about the mother's

37:10

health. Babies are extremely

37:12

resilient, and delivering

37:15

the birth of a baby

37:17

through cesarean process really

37:19

puts about of

37:21

the trauma and the laceration

37:25

and the blood pressure risk

37:27

and the infection all on the

37:30

mother. In order to do this

37:32

in a hospital, a woman needs

37:34

anesthesia and

37:37

professionals. To do it outside

37:39

of the hospital, she would have

37:42

to have been drugged or

37:45

beaten and tied down or

37:49

subdued or killed.

37:52

And then you need five or six minutes to

37:55

go through three muscle

37:58

layers the body, heavity

38:00

and two uh carefully

38:04

enter the side of the uterus.

38:07

Based on the size of the baby. It's

38:10

really clear where you need to cut, but

38:13

you have five or six minutes to get that baby

38:15

out before the baby becomes an oxy.

38:17

The mother takes all the trauma well.

38:19

In this case, the mother was found dead

38:22

later by kayakers in a river, wrapped

38:25

up in plastic and taped up, so

38:28

we kind of know the route that this woman

38:30

took. She would have wanted

38:32

to keep the woman alive while she cut

38:34

the baby out. Is that right?

38:37

If you directly contribute to the death

38:39

of the mother, you have five

38:42

minutes plus or minus to

38:45

get that baby out before it gets an oxic.

38:47

Without oxygen, that baby

38:49

will die and have brain death. So

38:52

what possibly would have happened was the

38:55

mother was bound up t I do you think

38:58

subdued, knocked out or

39:00

whatever before this happened, and then

39:03

apparently without drugs or any kind of medical

39:05

instrument, the child was just cut

39:07

out, as you say, through three layers of muscle,

39:10

three layers of muscle of body cavity, and

39:13

then cut open the uterus. Cutting

39:15

open uterus would be very similar

39:17

to cutting open a punkin or a large watermelon.

39:21

I don't know if you google this and find out

39:23

how you're going to do it, But if you've got a plan to

39:25

steal your neighbor's baby in that brutal fashion,

39:28

I guess you either have to know what you're

39:30

doing or get kind of lucky. I suppose

39:33

because it's not I wouldn't think it would be an obvious

39:36

thing to know how to do. No, it

39:38

wouldn't. And that's where you put

39:40

the life of the baby at risk

39:43

after you get it out by not having

39:46

proper postpartum care. But

39:49

how you'd actually do it would be in a textbook

39:51

online or in a library for midwife's

39:54

or o b G y N doctors. And

39:57

the bottom line on this is she

40:00

really didn't care about the mother. That

40:03

makes a lot

40:05

of sense because when

40:07

you go in the hospital, it's the care of

40:09

the mother that's the primary concern,

40:12

and postpartum care of the

40:14

mother and the baby are

40:17

what professionals are trained for. Once

40:19

you consider the mother to be a crime victim

40:21

and disposable, this is

40:24

it's very dark, but it can be done,

40:28

and it is done. I mean, this case

40:30

we're talking about right now is not the

40:32

only time it's been done. And it's not just something

40:34

we see in the movies. No.

40:37

In the last decade that we've been on true crime

40:39

stories in the network, we've

40:41

seen this handful of times.

40:43

This happens often, but of

40:45

course, how do you explain the baby.

40:48

And in this case, the woman and

40:50

her boyfriend had been arrested, the

40:52

body was found, the baby recovered

40:55

alive, and now it's safe with

40:58

the father. But if

41:01

one thing had gone wrong, this baby would not be

41:03

with us. It's very

41:05

clear that there's some twisted

41:08

pathology behind the person doing

41:10

this. This is severe mental

41:13

illness and it causes

41:16

literally the murder of another person.

41:19

But there's there's no way to explain this,

41:21

and we just hope she gets

41:23

her her justice in the

41:25

system. But the

41:28

knowledge to do this is in

41:30

textbooks and on the internet,

41:33

and it means total

41:35

disregard for the life of another person. And

41:37

now let's listen to a news conference

41:40

from back in August. August that was

41:42

six days after Savannah disappeared, before

41:44

she was found dead far Go, North

41:46

Dakota Police Chief David Todd tells

41:49

reporters about making to

41:51

arrest in regard to this Anna

41:54

Marie gray Wind missing person's

41:56

case. As I stated

41:58

before, we've dedicated a lot of attention

42:00

to this case, but until

42:02

Wednesday, we had not yet established

42:05

a criminal nexus to this case

42:07

that would allow us to obtain warrants

42:10

for our residence and electronic devices.

42:14

We were running constant surveillance

42:16

and investigating several different theories

42:18

regarding Savannah being held against her

42:21

will and or her

42:23

unborn child being induced or

42:25

removed and possibly alive. Therefore,

42:29

we were careful about what we were saying

42:32

or releasing in fear that a

42:34

suspect or suspects may

42:36

panic and dispose of them

42:39

in order to get rid of incriminating evidence.

42:42

We were hoping the surveillance would produce

42:45

a result of the possible suspects

42:48

leading us to where Savannah or her

42:50

baby were. We

42:52

were able to develop a criminal nexus

42:55

on Wednesday, allowing

42:57

us to put together warrants and

42:59

a coordinated plan to take

43:01

William Henry Hone and

43:03

Brooke Lynn Cruise into custody

43:06

yesterday at two separate locations

43:09

and secure apartment number five at

43:13

ninth Street North for forensic

43:16

search pursuant to the search warrant

43:18

we had obtained. The

43:20

search was conducted by a specialized

43:23

forensics team.

43:26

As I said yesterday in my release,

43:29

our entry and search found a newborn

43:31

baby girl in apartment number

43:33

five

43:36

ninth Street North with Brooke

43:39

Lynn Cruise. The

43:41

baby girl was transported by

43:43

ambulance to a medical facility

43:46

where she is currently being cared for.

43:50

Detective interviews with Holmes

43:53

and Cruise indicate

43:55

the baby girl is Savannah's

43:57

baby. We are

44:00

going DNA testing to confirm

44:02

the identity of the baby.

44:04

However, testing and results

44:06

can take several days. In

44:10

the interviews. When it comes to

44:12

the topic of what happened to Savannah,

44:16

neither Hone nor Cruise

44:18

will cooperate with our investigation.

44:22

Both Hone and crews invoked

44:24

their right to counsel and refuse

44:27

to answer any more questions. At

44:30

that point, we arrested both of them

44:32

and charged them with Class A felony

44:35

conspiracy to commit kidnapping.

44:38

Thirty eight year old Brooke Lynn Cruise after

44:40

that guilty plea to conspiracy

44:42

to commit murder conspiracy to commit kidnapping

44:45

providing false information to police is

44:47

set to be sentenced in January.

44:49

January. If her presentencing

44:52

report is completed, she

44:54

could get a maximum for the conspiracy to

44:56

commit murder charge life in prison

44:58

without parole. The maximum and penalty for

45:00

the conspiracy to commit kidnapping twenty

45:03

years in prison, a find of twenty dollars

45:05

and there is a trial coming up. Unless William

45:08

Henry Haunt two pleads

45:10

guilty, he faces the same charges as

45:12

his girlfriend. He has pleaded not

45:15

guilty so far, a trial is set

45:17

in Cass County District Court to

45:19

begin March. I

45:22

want to thank one other partner who

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was making our program possible and

45:27

it is link A k C. If

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you're like me, you don't want to leave your pet out

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friend,