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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in

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the Last Days, another twist

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in a case out of Anaheim

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that has baffle legal legals

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and court watchers all across

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the country. Where does the whole

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story start? It starts

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with a beautiful young mom,

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Gizelle Preston Crime

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Stories with Nancy Grace. Zazelle

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Zizi Preston is a beloved mother of three,

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two daughters, a three year old and an eight year

0:50

old. She also has a seven week old son

0:52

with her new husband, William Wallace. The

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twenty six year old dreams of becoming a domestic

0:57

violence counselor and returns to

0:59

school to make it happen, taking classes

1:01

at Cypress College, joining me and All

1:04

Star panel to break it down and put

1:06

it back together again. You were just hearing

1:08

our friends at crime online dot Com

1:10

talking about this gorgeous young mom

1:12

of three, a brand

1:15

new seven week old son with her new husband,

1:18

planning to go back actually taking

1:20

classes at Cypress College. That's

1:22

hard to do, raise three children

1:25

and go to school full time, Very

1:27

difficult, very stressful. At home with

1:30

me Alexis Torezchuk, Crime

1:32

online dot Com investigative reporter, also

1:34

with Lead Stories dot Com, Dan

1:37

Scott, former La County Sheriff

1:39

sergeant twenty six years,

1:41

Special Victims Bureau specializing

1:43

in family matters. Doctor Michelle

1:46

Dupree, forensic pathologist,

1:48

former medical examiner, author

1:50

of Homicide Investigation Field Guide

1:53

and form a police Detective to Boot.

1:55

Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned

1:58

psychiatrists joining us out of the Atlanta and a

2:00

jurisdiction. Melissa Hottmeyer, Prince

2:02

George County, chief of the Special

2:05

Victims Unit. She's

2:07

joining us today. Also co founder

2:09

of Right Response Consulting,

2:12

and a very special guest joining us. Laurie

2:15

Galloway, very

2:18

very dear friend of Zelle Preston,

2:21

founder and executive director of the

2:23

Eli Shelter Homes

2:25

for Abe's Children, the former

2:28

Mayor pro tim of

2:30

Anaheim, and you can find her

2:32

on Instagram at Laurie Galloway,

2:35

also on Twitter. Laurie, thank you

2:37

for being with us today. You're very welcome.

2:40

Thank you so much for inviting me, Laurie, could

2:42

you just tell me about

2:44

your friend, did you know? Just thinking

2:47

about her and just

2:50

bringing back the memory. She was such a

2:52

special, special person, and

2:55

the thing that was most special about

2:57

her was her heart. She

3:00

was a truly compassionate loving,

3:03

for giving, a

3:06

faith person, and

3:09

anyone who would meet her and know her

3:12

just loved her.

3:14

She was that kind of a person. I understand she

3:17

was just over the moon about the new

3:19

baby, the seven week old baby boy. Yes

3:22

she was. She was very

3:24

much, very much in love with him.

3:27

He was just heaven

3:29

on Earth to her. Guys, in the last

3:31

days, this case has taken

3:34

another, yet another twist.

3:37

Right now, we're talking about Zazelle Preston,

3:40

twenty six years old, two

3:42

daughters just three and eight, and

3:45

a seven week old son with her brand

3:47

new husband. You heard

3:50

that she's going back to school at Cyprus.

3:52

Cause there's so much about her that

3:54

we don't know. We

3:57

don't know about her upbringing, we don't

3:59

know about what turned her into the wonderful

4:01

mother that she became.

4:04

But I do know this. Take

4:07

a listen to our friends at crime

4:09

Online. Wallace called nine one one at

4:11

approximately nine thirty am to report

4:14

that his wife needed medical attention, but

4:16

that was after calling Preston's family

4:18

to complain that she wouldn't wake up.

4:21

Zazelle Preston was on responsive when Anaheim

4:23

Police Department officers arrived. Preston

4:25

was slumped over on the couch when paramedics

4:28

arrived. Okay, nine one one, nine

4:30

thirty in the morning, reporting

4:33

his wife needed help. He

4:36

calls nine one one. When nine

4:38

one one gets there, the wife

4:40

is slumped over on the family

4:42

sofa. Now right there, I

4:45

find that unusual to Laurie

4:47

Gallowa, excuse me. To Melissa Hotmeyer,

4:50

the Prince George County chief of the Special

4:52

Victims Unit, very

4:55

two, I remember as a little girl, Melissa,

4:58

hearing my mother screaming

5:01

in the back bedroom. And

5:04

I never saw my parents

5:07

out of a scream fest ever, And she

5:09

was yelling mac mac mac. And

5:12

then I heard what sounded like a slap,

5:14

and I jumped up in my pj's

5:17

and ran back there. She was

5:19

performing CPR on my dad. My

5:21

dad had was a heart patient

5:24

his whole while, starting in his early late

5:26

thirties, and my mother saved

5:29

his life on

5:31

that occasion. So I would

5:33

expect when nine one arrives

5:36

to see Zell

5:39

Preston lying down

5:41

on a hard surface, because we all know you

5:43

can't do CPR on a soft surface like sofa

5:46

where Dad or somebody

5:48

would be performing CPR. But that is not

5:51

what nine one one found when they

5:53

got there. Yeah, absolutely You're absolutely

5:55

right, and you know that is where

5:57

the investigation will definitely have to start. I'm

6:00

looking into that, and you know, to you Alexis

6:02

Terresch Crime online dot com investigative

6:04

reporter as well with Lee Stories dot Com, Alexis,

6:07

thank you for being with us. But you

6:09

know, I hate to attack an

6:12

upset spouse or family

6:14

members. But I mean, what, let

6:17

me just be blunt, what idiot? What try

6:20

to do CPR? Alexis. Not only

6:22

did he not try to do CPR? He so he called

6:24

nine one one. He told them she's on responsive.

6:27

They explaining, you know that the operators

6:29

are trained to teach you how to do CPR so

6:32

you can help somebody. They'll stay on the phone with you

6:34

while you do it. They were telling him,

6:36

Okay, here's how you do it. You have to move around the book.

6:38

He hung up on the operator. Okay,

6:40

now right there, right there. That's why I

6:42

love nim on one calls so much, as

6:46

far as I don't enjoy just listening to nine

6:48

o one calls, Alexis, I love Nie

6:51

on one calls because they tell me

6:53

so much about the moment of

6:55

the incident. In this

6:57

case, tell me that again, Alexis terres chuck. Not

7:00

only when nine one got there. He's not

7:02

even trying to do CPR,

7:04

not even trying. She's still

7:06

slumped over as if she's sitting on she

7:09

is. She's sitting on the sofa, slumped over.

7:11

And Guys, I know I'm beating

7:13

this fact, but it means a lot to

7:15

me when it comes to investigating

7:19

a case, every detail matters.

7:23

Are you telling me because I didn't

7:25

hear the nine one call that they asked

7:28

him to stay on the line to regarding

7:31

CPR instructions and he hung up on them.

7:33

Yes he was. They were telling him, well, she's

7:35

not asking him if she's breathing, here's how you can give

7:37

her CBR and he just hung up on them. And

7:40

then when the paramedics

7:42

arrived in the police there was no

7:44

sign around her. There wasn't any

7:46

blood or anything like that. So they immediately

7:49

just thought, oh, this this woman, you know, just needs

7:51

to be revived and went right to help her out.

7:54

You know Dan Scott, former La County Sheriff's

7:56

sergeant, twenty six year special

7:58

Victims. You think he could tell a story to Dan

8:00

Scott right there that

8:03

bothers me. And you

8:05

know, very often we're told, you know, you

8:07

can't prove a case on a gut feeling, and that's

8:10

definitely true. But when

8:12

I go into a scene and I

8:14

see the mom in distress and she's

8:16

still just sitting on the sofa with her head down, Dan

8:20

Scott, have you ever noticed a defendant

8:22

has bizarre behavior, Let's

8:24

just say, at a hospital or a

8:27

funeral. They don't act upset at

8:29

all, and you'll hear defense argue

8:31

till they're blue in the face. Well, there's no playbook

8:34

for grief, be asked, Dan

8:37

Scott, I know what I would do if my husband

8:39

slumped over on the sofa, and I pray to God

8:41

that doesn't happen. That's exactly

8:43

true. Well, there is no playbook for grief.

8:46

But most people react

8:49

the way we would expect them to react.

8:52

If not, there's a reason for it,

8:54

and the cops that were there would

8:56

have first of all been alerted

8:58

by the nine one an operator that

9:01

he hung up, and then they

9:03

would have observed this behavior

9:05

that just does not fit crime

9:21

stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,

9:25

we're talking about nine one one

9:27

arriving at the home. I was Zelle Preston.

9:29

She's twenty six years old, has

9:31

a seven week old baby boy, she loves

9:34

with her new husband, and she slumped

9:37

over on the sofa. Why is she slumped

9:39

on the sofa? Why isn't he performing CPR?

9:42

You know, Alexis terres Chuck, You and I

9:44

sat through, i think, every single day

9:46

of testimony of the Scott Peterson

9:48

case, and everyone

9:52

he had a great defense attorney, Martin

9:55

Narregos, who we have never agreed on

9:58

one thing, not even

10:02

but he's still a very

10:04

good defense attorney in court. He

10:07

went on and on and on

10:09

explaining away why Scott Peterson didn't

10:11

go on searches for Lacy, had

10:14

to be dragged to the vigil, wouldn't

10:16

speak publicly about

10:18

help me find my wife, nothing,

10:22

and everyone detractors

10:24

would say, well, you know what, you can't judge

10:26

him by the way he's at to get a time

10:28

like this. O H E L L

10:31

N O. Alexis, I will

10:33

because it's not judging, it's deducing

10:36

evidence. Alexis. It's all

10:39

the markings from all the cases

10:41

that we have covered. It's a sign that

10:43

somebody is hiding something. And so Scott

10:45

not going to any of those vigils

10:48

or looking what are you like pen

10:50

pals. You're on a first name basis. Now I do

10:52

call in Scott, mister Peter, mister Peterson.

10:54

I don't know it sounds so stop. You

10:57

can do that on your own time, not mine. Blaze

10:59

for he is you know what he was doing the

11:01

whole time he was texting with his girlfriend.

11:04

He was telling her he was in Paris. He

11:06

was plotting to get together with

11:08

her. A kid. Wait a minute, Alexis excuse

11:11

me. Do you remember when he said he was in Paris.

11:13

He even made up friends for his names and

11:15

gave them stereotypically French

11:17

names like Jacque and Pierre things.

11:20

I mean, really, okay,

11:23

talk about weird behavior when

11:25

your wife is missing, or

11:28

in this case, let me bring it back into

11:30

the middle of the road. Get out of the weeds. This

11:33

guy's just sitting there. He hangs up

11:35

on nine one one when they try to tell him how to do CPR.

11:40

Right there, I got a problem. But you

11:42

know what, don't just listen to

11:44

me. Listen to our friends at crime

11:46

online. Take a listen. This morning, the three and

11:49

eight year old daughters woke up two open presents.

11:51

At some point, Wallace dragged Preston's

11:53

body into the living room and placed it on the

11:55

couch. He put sunglasses on the

11:57

body, and, according to the oldest daughter, Wallace

12:00

told the children, Mommy ruined Christmas.

12:02

She got drunk and ruined Christmas.

12:05

He then videotaped the children opening

12:07

their Christmas presents in front of her. The

12:09

eight year old says she remembers touching her mom

12:11

and she was rock hard and cold. She

12:14

says she called mommy, but Preston

12:16

didn't respond. You know what that's like drinking

12:18

from the fire hydrant. I got so much

12:20

facts just then from Jackie Howard

12:23

at Crime On One. I really don't

12:25

know where to start with that. The

12:27

reality is Melissa Hotmeyer,

12:30

chief of Special Victim's Unit

12:33

at Prince George County. I

12:35

would have to turn that into about three or four

12:38

giant posters to break

12:40

it down each sentence, to

12:42

break it down into ten or eleven, twelve

12:45

points for the jury. Let's just

12:47

start with putting

12:51

sunglasses on mommy and

12:53

propping her up on the sofa. Wait, no, no no, no, no, no,

12:56

no, Melissa, let's start. Hold

12:58

on, Melissa, I'm gonna go to a shrink on

13:00

this. I'm sorry, I need an MD, psychiatrist,

13:03

not just a JD like you and myself, Doctor

13:06

Angie. What about that Christmas

13:08

memory where the little girl

13:10

goes up to mommy who's sitting on the sofa

13:14

wearing sunglasses on Christmas

13:16

morning, Daddy pi

13:19

ss s on her. That's a technical legal

13:21

term that I don't allow the children to say.

13:24

By telling the children, Oh, mommy's

13:26

drunk, she ruined Christmas, and the little

13:28

girl to defend mommy runs

13:30

over to mommy. Mommy's cold and rock hard.

13:33

Well you think that little girl will ever have Christmas?

13:36

Oh, it's so sad, Nancy, How

13:39

could she feels all the way? How could she ever, how

13:41

could she ever have a Christmas morning that

13:43

that doesn't go through her mind? I mean,

13:45

that poor child is going to need so much therapy. We

13:48

can we just talk about another aspect

13:50

of this too, Melissa

13:54

Hotmeyer, veteran

13:56

trial lawyer, putting

13:58

sunglasses on mommy and telling

14:00

the children, oh, mommy's drunk. Let's

14:05

call staging. Yeah,

14:07

And it shows such a level of premeditation

14:10

and an attempt to cover up

14:12

what happened. That is

14:15

significant evidence. If I was the prosecutor

14:18

in this case, and you know you

14:20

don't want to say it's good evidence. What happened

14:22

here is definitely not good, but it is powerful

14:25

evidence for a jury to hear. To doctor Michelle

14:27

Dupree, forensic pathologists from her medical

14:30

examiner, author of Homicide

14:32

Investigation Field Guide, and former

14:35

police detective to Boot, I

14:37

mean this woman's guide at all, you

14:39

know, doctor Michelle Dupree, how

14:42

long does a body

14:45

think of ambient air

14:49

in the home? Was just say sixty

14:52

nine degrees? Say sixty nine

14:54

degrees? How long would it take

14:56

a body to go cold

14:59

and rot? Card to Nancy, As

15:01

you mentioned, it does depend on the ambient temperature

15:03

and other factors. What was the state

15:05

of the body before they were deceased. We

15:08

know that a body will decrease in temperature

15:11

approximately one point five degree

15:13

cyntegrade for every hour. So

15:16

that way we can ask, Okay, are you talking to me

15:18

in centigrade? Did you just say that? I

15:21

keep trying to tell you, I'm just a

15:23

JD. Speak to me and

15:26

regular people talk. I

15:29

only understand fahrenheit. Okay,

15:32

Now, if you ask one of my twins, they can tell you all

15:34

about Celsius everything.

15:37

But please help me, Okay, doctor

15:39

Michelle Dupree, what so

15:42

the body temperature will decrease a

15:44

little every hour, depending on the

15:46

ambient temperature and other factors, but approximately,

15:49

given the situation, day

15:51

would probably the decrease

15:54

in temperature and become stiff,

15:57

as we say rigor mortis, and anywhere

15:59

from eight to twelve hours. Well, what I'm

16:01

getting at as she has been dead for

16:04

eight to twelve hours, her

16:06

body propped up on the sofa, clothed

16:10

with sunglasses on, and all

16:12

Daddy can tell the children is

16:15

Mommy's drunk. She run Christmas To

16:17

Laurie Galloway. Miss

16:19

Galloway,

16:23

it hurts me to think that

16:25

our discussion is hurting you, But

16:29

this is what happened to your

16:32

friend just twenty six years old.

16:35

When what

16:38

was your reaction, Laurie,

16:40

when you learned that she

16:43

had been propped up

16:45

on a sofa, had been dead eight

16:47

to twelve hours, had

16:50

been clothed and got sunglasses

16:52

put on her face. When nine

16:54

when one arrived, it was excruciating.

16:57

And I knew too much already.

17:00

I knew a lot of the background. I

17:02

knew how much Zezi

17:04

wanted to leave the situation,

17:06

how many times she tried. So

17:09

when I heard that, I knew so

17:11

much already. But to then

17:14

I think of the children, and I know

17:17

each of the children personally,

17:19

to think that they had

17:21

seen that, and my immediate thing was

17:23

what is to happen with them? How is

17:25

this going to affect with them and the rest of their

17:28

lives? It was It

17:30

was really a lot to be

17:32

able to take. It was just and

17:34

I just knew too much. I wish I

17:36

didn't. Maybe it wouldn't have hurt so

17:39

much. Time

17:53

stories with Nancy Grace Floor

17:58

Galloway is with me. This is Zell's

18:00

very dear friend. She is

18:03

founder of the Eli Shelter Home

18:05

for Abused Children. She's the

18:08

former Mayor pro tem of the

18:10

City of Anaheim. On instuff,

18:12

she's at Lorie Galloway Twitter

18:14

at Laurie Underscore Galloway. And

18:17

the reason I'm giving you all of these

18:19

credentials as

18:23

I learned prosecuting

18:25

felonies Lourie and as

18:28

a volunteer at the Battered Women's Center

18:30

for nearly ten years on the hotline

18:34

that out there in the

18:36

world, a lot

18:38

of people believe abuse

18:43

domestic violence as we call it, to try to

18:46

make it that's quite the

18:48

euphemism family violence.

18:52

They think it's somebody else. They

18:55

think it's poor people

18:57

or uneducated people, or some

19:00

other race or some other country or some

19:02

other section of town. It's not.

19:06

You're right. I had

19:09

Well, I can't say who I had

19:11

called in, but a very prominent

19:13

politician in

19:16

Atlanta at the time. Wife

19:18

would call the hotline all

19:20

the time, and we all knew

19:23

it. But she did not want her husband arrested.

19:26

She just needed somebody to talk to. She couldn't

19:28

tell anybody. And I would walk away

19:30

just with my stomach clinched like that,

19:33

knowing what I know. And that's just what you just

19:36

said. Yeah,

19:38

what did you know? When you say you knew

19:40

too much? What did you know? Well, Zelie

19:43

was wanting to get out of the situation, and he

19:47

was just just stronger

19:49

in so many ways and manipulative,

19:52

and it was a perfect

19:54

case scenario as far as for him because

19:57

he could control. He knew

19:59

how to get her to do things

20:01

that she didn't want to do. And it

20:04

wasn't at all that she didn't

20:08

know what was going on. I mean, she tried

20:10

to do everything possible. I would.

20:12

She had resources, she knew she

20:15

could come to us and that

20:17

we would protect her with everything.

20:20

She was in college at the time, she

20:22

knew about domestic violence. She

20:24

wrote papers that got a pluses

20:27

on what domestic violence was and how

20:30

to recognize it and how to protect

20:32

yourself from it. So

20:35

there was so much that she knew,

20:37

but there was so much about Zizi

20:40

that made her this

20:43

kind of victims.

20:46

But yet it was

20:49

she was knowledgeable, she knew

20:51

what was going on, she did not

20:53

have the strength to get out of

20:55

it. To your daughter, Angela Arnold Psychiatrists

20:58

out of Atlanta and Angela Arnold dot

21:00

com. This is one of

21:02

your specialties. You deal

21:05

a lot with women

21:08

and their emotional

21:11

ups and downs. This woman

21:13

wanted to complete classes at

21:16

Cyprus College and become a domestic

21:18

violence counselor. Yet she's

21:21

a victim of domestic violence. Not only

21:23

is she a victim of domestic violence, Nancy,

21:25

didn't you also say that she just had she had

21:28

a seven week old baby.

21:31

I mean to me, that puts a whole other level

21:34

of something on this. I don't think that

21:36

that's a medical diagnosis, a

21:38

whole other level of something.

21:41

What well, what I'm

21:43

trying, what I'm what I mean to say is that

21:47

now here she found herself with a seven

21:49

week old baby. And I'm not sure

21:52

how much she had tried previously to get out

21:54

of this relationship, if she had,

21:57

but then you find yourself strap

22:00

down with a new baby and it was his baby.

22:02

Correct, yes, her new husband. You're

22:04

right, a whole another lair well,

22:07

the story unfalls. What

22:09

does the husband, William Wallace say,

22:11

listen. Wallace told police that Preston had

22:13

fallen over the threshold of their apartment.

22:16

She landed face first on a glass coffee

22:18

table, shattering it. Preston's oldest

22:20

daughter testified that Wallace asked her

22:22

to pull pieces of glass from her

22:24

mother's body before he carried Preston

22:27

into a bathroom, where Wallace dropped

22:29

Preston. Her head hit the side

22:31

of a toilet seat, according to the daughter. Wallace

22:34

says at some point he noticed Preston was gurgling

22:36

and having trouble breathing. He says he

22:38

tried to revive her in the bathtub by turning

22:41

on the shower, but that didn't work. He

22:43

told police he pulled her out of the shower by

22:45

grabbing her around the torso, but he told

22:47

Preston's mom he had pulled her out by her

22:49

feet. At that point, he put Preston

22:51

into their bed then passed out beside

22:54

her. Does that jive with an

22:56

earlier statement he gave listen

22:58

Christmas Eve, the couple into the neighbor's

23:00

party, but began fighting. That fight

23:03

continued once they were back in their home. According

23:05

to the Orange County Register, Wallace admitted

23:08

that he had quote tossed Preston around

23:10

a bit during their argument, and that he caught

23:12

Preston dragging her back inside

23:14

their Anaheim apartment when she tried to run

23:17

away. One neighbor says they saw Wallace

23:19

lifting what looked like a body at the apartment

23:21

gate. The paper reported police

23:24

found blood in the apartment, holes in

23:26

the walls, and a door off its hinges.

23:28

Holes in the walls, door off

23:31

hinges, police

23:34

gathering information Take

23:36

a listen to the coroner's report. According

23:38

to the coroner's report, Preston died of blunt

23:41

force trauma to the head, rendering

23:43

her unconscious. A police report

23:45

says Preston sustained four to six blunt

23:47

force injuries and her brain hemorrhaged.

23:50

As police gathered information and Wallace's

23:52

story changed repeatedly, there seemed

23:55

to be at least four points in which Preston

23:57

sustained those injuries. Wallace tells

23:59

police that as the couple argued, he pushed

24:01

her and she fell back onto the mattress.

24:03

I want to go straight out to doctor Michelle Dupree.

24:06

You know, pushing somebody onto a mattress,

24:09

I hardly think is going to be a cod

24:11

cause of death. You're the former medical

24:13

examiner forensic pathologist

24:17

explained, how is she getting

24:21

bludgeoned dead with? I

24:23

think the reporter says four

24:25

points of injury by falling on a

24:27

mattress. Nancy, that's

24:29

pretty hard to do. I think you're absolutely correct.

24:33

There was. She was struck with a

24:35

blunt object of some type.

24:38

He may have pushed her and she fell into a glass

24:41

table, but she was also struck

24:43

with something else at least three other

24:45

times. To have four injuries, four

24:47

injuries, and to find the

24:49

injuries on autopsy, what

24:52

does that tell you? So that

24:54

tells me basically that she

24:57

was hit with an object, that it was not

25:00

something that she did to herself, It

25:02

was not a fall of some

25:04

sort. It tells me that she

25:07

was struck with a blunt object

25:09

by someone else. How can you tell when

25:11

you look at an injury? Doctor Michelle Dupree

25:14

that it was a blow from someone

25:16

else. So Nancy, oftentimes we

25:18

will find something, especially in the head

25:20

area, we will find a depressed skull

25:22

fracture, and that is an indication of

25:25

being hit with a blunt object. On other

25:27

parts of the body, we look for something that's very

25:29

important and that is patterned injuries.

25:32

Patterned injuries can tell us so much

25:34

about what happened and what object may

25:36

have been used. Crime

25:49

stories With Nancy Grace, can

25:53

we just talk common sense for a moment.

25:55

She has got former La County Shares

25:57

Department twenty six years, Special Victims

26:00

Bureau. How many times have you

26:02

heard, oh, she fell or

26:04

the baby fell. How

26:07

likely is it that someone is going

26:09

to just simply fallen, trip and

26:12

die? People fallen trip

26:15

every day. My sister just fell

26:17

last week as she broke her hand. She blocked

26:19

her fall, but she didn't die. I

26:22

mean it just it defies

26:26

logic. You hear people say, oh,

26:28

I was changing the baby on the changing table

26:30

and it fell and died. No,

26:33

you don't just fall and die

26:35

exactly, and with the

26:39

like the coroner was saying, you

26:41

know, they can help us tremendously.

26:43

We talked to the coroner. We talked to the doctors,

26:46

we get their impression of what they've

26:48

seen, but then you're also going to have witnesses

26:51

accounts. None of this adds

26:53

up. And she didn't fall into

26:56

a table. That might have happened, but

26:58

again has been stated that

27:00

didn't cause her death. That would have caused

27:03

glass and maybe other injuries,

27:06

but the blood forced trauma to the

27:08

head is obviously not from

27:11

the table. And also Alexi's terres Chuck

27:13

crimalline dot com and lead stories

27:15

dot com. Alexis,

27:18

I heard our friends at crime online tell us

27:20

there were four points of injuries

27:22

that correct, there were and the thing, and

27:24

they were all in her head, and

27:27

there were so it was so extensive

27:29

they couldn't say, well, this was

27:31

the blow, that was the death

27:34

blow, that she would just been hit

27:36

with something or beaten over and over

27:38

and over and over again in the head.

27:41

So for that to happen naturally,

27:43

she would have to fall on her head with such velocity

27:47

it could kill her. And then I guess what, stand

27:49

up and fall again and again and again,

27:52

or go down a flight of stairs with such velocity

27:55

that she hit herself in the head every

27:58

single time, four times over no,

28:01

and then to stop it all off, She's

28:04

dressed, sunglasses put

28:06

on her face, sat on

28:09

the sofa, and then Daddy

28:11

tells the children Mommy's

28:14

drunk and ruined Christmas. This

28:18

is called in our line of business posing,

28:22

staging. Posing a scene,

28:24

or staging a scene can be anything from

28:27

closing the victim's eyes. I worked

28:30

on one story where the

28:33

adult daughter killed mom and then

28:35

put a wicker trash basket over her

28:37

head for some reason. A

28:40

lot of times we see defendants cover

28:42

the face of a dead victim

28:44

that they murdered with a blanket

28:47

with clothing. The Columbus

28:49

strangler will put all the clothing in the

28:51

house on top of the dead victim after raping

28:54

and strangling them. If

28:56

someone is killed out in the elements, I've

28:59

seen many many cases where the victim's

29:01

face is covered with twigs or

29:03

leaves or branches that

29:06

as a rudimentary as it is,

29:08

is staging this scene. This

29:10

goes to a whole other level.

29:13

Propping Mommy up on the living room

29:15

sofa, putting sunglasses on her and

29:17

telling the children she's drunk and she

29:20

ruined Christmas. She's

29:22

dead from blunt force trauma.

29:24

Not by far the first time

29:26

we've seen staging. Do

29:29

you recall the case of Israel

29:32

Keys and one of his mini victims,

29:35

Alaska and Barista Samantha Coney

29:37

Glass. The morning after the kidnapping,

29:39

Israel Keys rolled her body up and

29:42

stuck it in a box in his shed,

29:45

and then woke his girlfriend up

29:47

and his child up, went to New

29:49

Orleans, boarded a

29:51

cruise ship, and then came back

29:53

about two two and a half weeks later. Because

29:56

of the cold temperatures, she had frozen.

29:58

And then he thought her and

30:00

had to apply makeup to her in

30:03

order to make her look more lifelike.

30:05

You're hearing our friends at Austin method

30:08

of a serial killer. There he

30:10

applies makeup to

30:12

Samantha's face. Take

30:15

a listen to more. Please explained to us

30:17

that miss Koenig had already been

30:20

killed when he took that ransom

30:22

photograph, that he

30:24

had used a needle and thread

30:27

to make her eyes appear as though she

30:30

might still be alive. So

30:32

there you hear more about serial killer

30:34

Israel Keys applying makeup.

30:37

He braided his victim's hair,

30:40

her eyes were sown

30:43

open to give her the appearance

30:45

that she was alive. That

30:48

is definitely posing or

30:50

staging the scene. That was

30:52

from Investigation Discovery Dark

30:55

Minds. But Israel keys

30:58

Mahie rotten Hill is by

31:00

far not the only one that did that.

31:02

I'm sure you remember BTK buying

31:05

torture kill Dennis Raider.

31:07

He would readdress his victims

31:10

after assaulting them and

31:12

killing them, apply wigs

31:14

and makeup. Listen to this, Well,

31:16

he actually wasn't going to put her under a bridge.

31:19

It was a foggy rainye like

31:22

snowy night. He was looking for

31:24

an abandoned barn because that was

31:26

part of his fantasy. He wanted to take

31:28

her there, and he couldn't find it, so he

31:30

finally just put her under the bridge

31:32

in the culvert. So that

31:34

wasn't the plan. Again, many

31:37

of his plans did not work out the way

31:39

he expected them to. The

31:42

other one marine hedge. He took

31:44

out of her house and took her to his church

31:47

where he had taped up plastic around

31:49

the windows, and he wanted

31:51

to take pictures of her body in

31:53

other women's underwear that he has stolen.

31:56

Okay, you are hearing dot Or Catherine

31:59

Ransum, author

32:02

of untold story about BTK.

32:05

She is a professor at d Sell University

32:08

speaking to me about Dennish Raider.

32:11

I want to go to our

32:13

shrink and I say

32:15

that in a loving caring way. Doctor

32:17

Angel Arnold, renowned psychilagrists joining

32:20

me out of Atlanta. There

32:22

are those are two examples. There's also, well,

32:24

here's a famous one, Ted Bundy. With

32:28

his victims. He would often bathe

32:32

them when

32:34

he bade them, applied makeup, redid the

32:37

hair. He

32:40

wasn't necrophiliac. He

32:42

would have sex with the dead bodies

32:44

or dead body parts, but

32:47

he would definitely pose and

32:50

stage the dead victim's body.

32:52

Now definitely need

32:54

to shrink on this. Go ahead, doctor

32:57

ansya. I'm I'm not quite sure how to

32:59

even form the question on this. Well,

33:01

I think that I think that it might be

33:04

two different things. I believe that

33:06

the men that killed this young

33:09

woman posed and staged

33:11

her for the benefit of the children,

33:14

and it was Christmas and he wanted

33:16

everything to look like it was normal, and he was explaining

33:19

himself about something about her

33:22

condition. However, I believe that

33:24

in the case of the serial killers, when they pose

33:27

and stage the different bodies they're

33:29

getting, they're getting more

33:31

out of the act, the act that

33:34

they perform. When they of the serial

33:36

killing and the rape and whatever

33:38

else they do to the body is not finished. They

33:40

get more out of the actual act of staging

33:43

and posing the body. There may

33:45

be some There probably is some control

33:48

in that they may get some more

33:51

sexual satisfaction out of that. They

33:54

can't do this to a to a

33:56

live human being, and so they

33:58

get all of their sexual gratification

34:00

in their control gratification

34:03

out of posing the dead body.

34:06

I do believe there may be a difference in these

34:08

two scenarios. However, you

34:10

know, to Melissa Hotmeyer, have

34:13

you ever heard the phrase, don't bring a knife

34:15

to a gunfight? Okay, well

34:17

that's what I'm about to do. I'm bringing a knife when

34:20

doctor Angela Arnold has an oozy but

34:24

I disagree with her. This

34:27

guy had twelve hours

34:31

to dress her,

34:34

to dress Giselle Zizi,

34:37

to pat her hair down after

34:40

he had beaten her in the head. Remember,

34:43

nobody could see anything wrong with her. Her

34:45

hair was in place, she

34:48

had sunglasses on, her

34:50

clothes were not a bloody. He could have

34:53

put her in bed and said,

34:55

mommy doesn't feel well this morning. He

34:58

could have gotten rid of the body, dumped

35:00

it somewhere and said, mommy got sick

35:02

and had to go the doctor. We're going to open up our

35:04

presence anyway. No, he

35:08

had her dressed, he had her

35:10

hair fixed, he had sunglasses

35:13

on her and propped her

35:15

up on the sofa

35:17

and video. Did children owe

35:20

me they're Christmas gifts?

35:23

Like it was a normal Christmas morning? No?

35:26

No, he did this for

35:28

at least eight to twelve hours.

35:32

Melissa, Yeah, I mean I

35:34

think I think you're right. I also only have a

35:36

JD. But this, this is somebody who I think

35:38

is it is getting some sort

35:40

of gratification out of it, or you know,

35:42

had some sort of I

35:44

don't know. He's I mean, not the only word

35:47

I can think of his psychopath. Because who

35:49

would do something like that to your two children,

35:52

to your wife. I just

35:54

can't think of very

35:57

many things that are so traumatic

36:00

children and are so degrading to

36:02

the woman that you are allegedly married

36:04

to and love. I'm glad you said that,

36:06

Melissa Hotmeyer, degrading

36:09

because all I could think of was desecrating

36:13

to Lorie Galloway, A

36:16

very dear friend. Zazelle

36:18

Preston's just twenty six years old, the

36:21

founder of the Eli Shelter Home for

36:23

abused children. Former Mayor

36:26

pro tem of Anaheim.

36:31

Not only did he kill her

36:34

beet dead, but

36:36

he then desecrated her or,

36:38

as Melissa Hotmeyer correctly

36:41

states, he degraded her by

36:43

putting on this charade with

36:46

her dead body for the children.

36:49

It was just I'm

36:51

really having this

36:54

is difficult to hear again because

36:57

it brings back all these memories

36:59

of that time, that

37:01

evening, and you're so right about

37:04

the time frame. It

37:06

didn't just happen. I mean

37:08

that party where they had the fight,

37:12

that Christmas party. It started then,

37:14

so and that was early on in the evening,

37:17

so it was a whole

37:19

night of doing this. And when

37:22

we hear that it

37:25

takes um to ten

37:27

hours twelve hours for rigg and mortis

37:30

to set in. That makes

37:32

sense. It doesn't make sense that it was she

37:35

had died many hours before

37:37

Christmas morning, and so yeah,

37:41

he had to be that

37:44

was psychopathic to be able to do

37:46

something like that. And then

37:49

you know, just just be so

37:51

callous that you could take a video

37:55

of this and oh

37:58

my gosh, And did we even talk

38:00

about how he put the baby to her breast

38:02

to try to feed the baby, knowing full

38:04

well she had done Okay, well

38:07

why why what did

38:09

you just say? He put

38:11

the baby on Giselle's

38:15

chest and because

38:18

the baby was climbing and

38:21

wanted to be fed, so,

38:23

knowing full well, knowing

38:25

absolutely full well, that

38:28

she was already dead, he places

38:31

the baby there to feed. Okay,

38:34

So that talks really

38:36

brings in what you're trying to say

38:38

is that he took some kind of

38:40

sick jewelry in this, in watching

38:45

someone dead, performed things

38:47

that someone alive is supposed to do. What

38:51

is that? It's just,

38:53

it's so it's so hard to Alex's

38:56

Teresa. What's the latest on

38:58

the case against husband William

39:00

Wallace. He has been convicted

39:03

and found guilty by a jury.

39:05

They convicted him of murdering Gizelle.

39:07

When is sentencing June fourth? If

39:10

he's convicted, i'd murder one in California,

39:13

he can get life behind bars.

39:15

Correct, Yes he can. He is facing life

39:18

behind bars. We wait as justice

39:20

h paulas