0:05

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Wow,

0:15

that hurts both your boyfriend

0:18

and your husband end

0:20

up dead. How

0:22

did that happen? That's quite the coinkie think

0:24

right. What do both of them

0:27

have in common besides the fact they're dead?

0:30

Lynn Turner Crime

0:38

Stories with Nancy Grace. I,

0:47

Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

0:49

Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

0:51

and Serious x M one eleven.

0:54

Take a listen to this. It was difficult

0:56

to fathom how two civil

0:59

servants and two neighboring towns, both

1:02

in their early thirties, died

1:04

so suddenly, until

1:07

both families realized they

1:09

had something else in common. The

1:13

two men were both living with

1:15

the same woman when they

1:18

died. Lynn Turner,

1:21

I couldn't turn to get on the phone quick enough.

1:23

I call the Elite investigator

1:25

and I just basically said, you

1:27

need to go out there and seal off the apartment.

1:30

Do what you need to do, because I'm telling you there's no

1:33

way you

1:35

could have two young guys like this pass

1:37

away. When questioned, Lynn

1:40

Turner claimed it was just

1:42

a tragic coincidence, and

1:45

local prosecutors found no evidence

1:47

the two deaths were connected. After

1:49

all, Lynn Turner had no criminal

1:52

history. I actually

1:54

just thought that it was really

1:56

bad luck, really bad

2:00

luck. You know, every

2:02

fiber of my being is screaming,

2:05

there is no coincidence in criminal law.

2:08

With me an all star panel to figure this thing

2:10

out. Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial

2:12

lawyer, court TV anchor at Ashley Wilcott

2:15

dot com. Renown psycho Alice

2:17

joining me out of Beverly Hills, doctor Bethany Marshall

2:19

at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com,

2:22

Founder director of the Cold Case Research

2:24

Institute, Cheryl McCollum,

2:27

former chief medical examiner

2:30

for the entire state of Georgia who

2:32

performed in autopsy related

2:34

to this case, and lead

2:37

news anchor w DBO joining us,

2:39

Ray Caputo. Ray Caputo,

2:41

First of all, who is Lynn

2:44

Turner? Well, Lynn Turner is, And

2:46

she's anocuous looking woman when you look at

2:48

her, but she's she's

2:50

someone whom she grew up, had a tough life

2:53

by her own. Wait a minute, Wait a minute. Did you say

2:56

she was innocuous looking? Yeah,

2:58

if you look at her name. Because

3:00

I gotta tell you something. I staked her out

3:02

in a parking lot one time, and she

3:05

came out surrounded by friends just chatting

3:07

away. She had

3:10

a mini skirt on. Well,

3:14

it left very little, very

3:17

little to the imagination. I

3:19

am not judging. I don't care what

3:21

she wears, but I can tell you it

3:24

was not innocuous. It

3:27

was, let me just say, very impressive.

3:29

I mean, you know, Cheryl McCollum,

3:32

have you ever seen Lynn Turner? Oh?

3:34

Yes, absolutely. I would not call

3:36

her innocuous. I would call her a

3:39

brunette bombshell, That's what i'd call

3:41

her. She she uses her assets.

3:43

Let's say she thinks well of herself when

3:46

she the way she carries herself, Nancy, there's

3:48

no question about that. I mean, and it's not just

3:51

the way she carries herself,

3:53

which you know, really put it all out there.

3:56

Again, not judging, don't

3:58

care, but I'm interested because it was just two

4:00

dead bodies connected to her. But

4:02

I will never forget hiding

4:05

in a parking lot. It was hot

4:08

and I was between two cars.

4:11

She was something else. Okay,

4:14

So I see why these guys

4:17

fell for her. So Ray Kaputo,

4:19

now that Cheryl McColeman, I have schooled you,

4:22

she's anything but innocuous.

4:25

Let me tell you if you'd seen her at

4:27

that time, Oh wow, Okay,

4:29

so what does she do for a living?

4:31

Ray Kaputo, Well, she wanted

4:34

to be a cop, Nancy, and apparently she filled

4:36

the psychological examination,

4:38

so she never became a cop. Put she did

4:41

move into being a civil servant.

4:43

She was a nine one one operator and

4:46

that's how she connected with her first

4:48

husband, who was also a civil servant.

4:50

He was a police officer with cob County.

4:52

Okay, wanted to be a cop, failed

4:55

the psych exam. To doctor

4:58

Bethany Marshall, I was you the

5:01

example of Jim Jones, Remember him

5:04

who got scores

5:06

of people to drink poisoned koo late

5:08

and they died. Yeah, he tried

5:11

to be a methist. He tried

5:14

to be a methist minister, I've been told,

5:16

and failed the psych exam

5:19

to be a minister. He failed a psychis exam.

5:22

Yeah, so he went and founded his own church

5:24

and went to gianas I recall. So

5:27

she tried to be and failed the psych

5:29

exam. Warning, warning,

5:32

let me wave the red flag. One

5:34

of my best friends is a police psychologist

5:37

here in LA and she

5:39

does all the psyche vows for

5:42

police officers and fitness for duty

5:44

reviews. If there's an officer involved shooting.

5:47

She evaluates them. And she

5:49

told me the story of twenty

5:51

three, twenty four year old young man coming

5:54

in and she asked him what he was

5:56

interested in, and he said, guns.

5:58

I love guns. I have so many

6:00

guns. I have guns in my basement.

6:02

I have guns in my bedroom.

6:05

I have guns under my bed.

6:09

Lunched him right away. But

6:12

Nancy, you know, sociopaths,

6:15

and this woman seems like she has sociopathic

6:17

tendencies. They gravitate towards

6:19

positions of power, and they

6:22

imagine that if they

6:24

are holding handcuffs, or they're

6:27

carrying a gun, or they're a police

6:29

officer, that that's going to give them power over

6:32

the people around them. So that's a very common

6:34

trajectory for somebody who's

6:36

homicidal or sociopathic

6:38

is to want to be a police officer. That's

6:40

interesting, you know, Cheryl Mcallum, I don't

6:42

know if you would call my long time investigator

6:47

the entire teen years plus I was in the

6:49

DA's office was Ernest oh

6:51

Absolutely, and I even created

6:53

a character based

6:55

somewhat on him for Haley

6:58

Deane. I would

7:00

make him carry the gun or you know,

7:02

he had so many guns and knives all

7:05

over his body. After

7:07

my fiance's murder, the last thing I wanted

7:09

to do was carry a gun,

7:12

because in my experience, that's

7:14

sure for our away, for you to get in troubles

7:17

carry a gun. But I

7:19

get it, whoever wants a gun, it's in the constitution

7:22

have one. But that

7:25

feeling of power that doctor

7:27

Bethany Marshall is talking about

7:31

was she let's just

7:33

say power adjacent.

7:36

You know what, Cheryl, take a listen to

7:38

this. This is lenan Zeger

7:41

after hours Lynde Stalks,

7:44

the officer's favorite bars in

7:47

Marietta and Georgia.

7:51

It's here she needs Officer Glenn

7:55

Turner. Glenn

7:57

didn't have any enemies. Glenn

7:59

just got along with everybody. And he was very

8:01

golden, just

8:04

a very easy going, likable,

8:07

big teddy bear guy.

8:11

Singled out by the sexy brunette,

8:15

Glenn falls quickly under her

8:17

spell. Charlie

8:21

attracted lady and for

8:23

Glenn it was you know, Glenn

8:25

wasn't the best looking guy, who

8:28

wasn't in the best physical shape, he wasn't chiseled

8:30

or anything. But and for for Glenn,

8:33

Lynn was a cat. Wow. So

8:35

what do you make of that? Then, Cheryl McCollum.

8:38

Uh. You know, in the Atlanta area,

8:41

cops go to certain restaurants,

8:44

certain bars, and if you want to meet

8:46

cops, everybody knows where they go. It's

8:48

not a big secret, right, So

8:50

would you say she's cop or power

8:53

adjacent? Yeah, they call him

8:55

bad bunnies. So here's what it sounds

8:57

like to me. We wait, they call him what adge

9:00

bunnies? Somebody that goes after Okay,

9:02

you know what, you just taught me something, A

9:05

badge bunny. Okay, go ahead, Cheryl,

9:07

I can always learn something. It sounds like apparently

9:10

to me, she wanted this job

9:12

and she didn't get it. So the next best

9:14

thing to get on the dance floor, so to speak,

9:16

has become the nine one one operator

9:19

and then date a

9:21

police officer. Because again, by

9:23

proxy, you've got the stories,

9:26

you've got the power, You've got these life

9:28

and death situations that you feel like now

9:31

you're a power of. So she's living

9:33

the life right there

9:35

on the edge of it. Time

9:49

stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,

9:52

we're talking about the death of

9:54

not only a boyfriend and a husband of Lynn

9:56

Turner, but you know, very

9:58

often after work, doctor

10:01

Sperry, there is

10:03

a string of bell

10:06

Bondsman near the courthouse,

10:09

and I would always, instead

10:12

of paying ten dollars a day for a parking

10:14

spot right beside the courthouse, I

10:17

would always go down to those broken

10:19

ass fall out in the open

10:21

in the rain parking

10:23

lots about four or five blocks

10:25

from the courthouse. So I'd

10:27

part way down there. And I would

10:30

very often after work meet

10:32

up with either a

10:35

friend from the DA's office, my

10:38

investigator, or

10:40

a defense attorney at one of the bell Bonsman

10:43

and we go to wherever we're

10:45

going to go, and it would usually end up after

10:48

getting dinner and we look around and like, who

10:50

are all these people? There were people

10:52

from the police force. There were people that weren't

10:55

employed by the police force that

10:57

were I guess, like McComb

11:00

said, badge bunnies, just

11:02

curious. The medical examiners

11:05

have dead body bunnies. No,

11:08

No, I mean there's there's

11:10

a group. I don't like the way you said that. Yeah,

11:12

you know, if they can

11:15

if they can get access to someone

11:17

to a medical examine or find out who they are,

11:20

they're they're groupies. They're off

11:22

with one the ones that like apply for

11:24

investigator jobs, especially, you

11:26

know, they don't have medical degrees and can't be pathologists,

11:29

but they can be investigators or autopsy

11:32

technicians. And uh,

11:34

and there are some there's there's

11:36

about though. It's

11:39

about fifty fifty male and female,

11:41

so there's a lot of a lot of

11:43

women. Um, and you

11:45

can you never told me that. I've known

11:47

you all these years. We've had a lot of cases

11:49

together. You never told me they were a medical examined

11:52

or groupies. Well, you never thought of that, You're

11:55

right, I didn't, and I think there's a very good reason

11:57

for that. I think I didn't want to know. Yeah, we

12:00

were talking about a boyfriend

12:03

and a husband, both dead

12:05

in their early thirties, both by

12:07

saying the same type of physical problems

12:10

as I recalled heart ailments. Guys,

12:12

take a listen to our friend Sharon Martin.

12:14

Lynn and Glenn had met in nineteen ninety

12:17

two. At the time, Lynn was a Cobb

12:19

County nine dispatcher and

12:21

Glenn was a county police officer.

12:24

It started out as, let's just put it

12:26

this way, be Plesia. One night stand. That

12:29

may have been how it started, but Glenn

12:32

soon fell for Lynn. He proposed

12:34

a year later. He rolled in

12:36

that one evening and he said we're gonna get married.

12:39

I said, you've lost him. Damn. The

12:41

couple married on August twenty first, nineteen

12:43

ninety three. Unfortunately,

12:46

as with Randy years later, constant

12:49

bickering marred the relationship. The

12:52

arguments were mostly about money.

12:54

Yeah, unfortunately, he had what my

12:57

parents used to refer to a champagne taste

12:59

on a beer budget. Glenn worked more

13:01

than one job, Lynn worked more

13:03

than one job. Lynn was

13:05

also gone along and she began making

13:08

frequent trips back to her hometown

13:10

thirty miles away incoming

13:12

Georgia. So we hear how

13:14

the two met. It started off

13:17

very casually, but it turned into something

13:19

very very different. Kaputer, what happened

13:22

then? Well, they get married Nancy,

13:24

and problems start really quickly.

13:27

I mean we're talking with within months. They're

13:29

sleeping in different rooms. There's money

13:31

problems. He heard that

13:34

soundclip champagne taste on a beer

13:36

budget. Well, she was overspending.

13:38

And you know that Glenn was a Cobb

13:40

County po He wasn't making a ton of

13:43

money. He had to take a second job just

13:45

to work at a gas station and night just to make

13:47

ends. Me because every time he paid

13:49

a bill down all of a sudden, the credit card bill

13:51

will go right back up because Lynn

13:54

was overspending and that caused a ton of problems

13:56

in their marriage. Hold on right there, Dodgor Bethany

13:58

Marshall. Isn't and true

14:00

that one of the main things Mary couples argue

14:02

about is money, money,

14:04

sex, and power. Those

14:07

are the three things. But it does

14:09

sound to me like Lynn power power.

14:12

There's no argument Lucy, my

14:15

daughter has all the power,

14:18

followed by the guinea pigs who seemingly

14:20

run our live. So what do you mean by

14:23

money and power? Well,

14:25

it's like who's going to make the decisions, who's

14:27

in charge, who gets their way, who

14:31

sort of wears the pants and the family, so to

14:33

speak, that would be Lucy, Lucy, Lucy

14:36

and Lucy my twelve year old daughter. Okay,

14:39

trying to connect with what you're saying, It sounds

14:41

to me like Lynn

14:44

had sociopathic tendencies,

14:46

as I said earlier, And we

14:48

know that sociopaths are

14:50

very parasitic. They glom

14:53

onto a host and they suck the life

14:55

out of them. And in this particular

14:57

case, her poor husband is working two

15:00

jobs, one of which is at a gas station, and

15:02

she just kept keeps spending the money

15:05

and spending the money, so clearly

15:07

she's using him. She's not in love with

15:09

him, but she's kind of a mooch and

15:12

she's using him. And but I think

15:14

she also is getting kind of a high

15:16

about being police world

15:19

adjacent. Part of the excitement

15:22

of that. To ask you, Wilcott judge and trial

15:24

lawyer, get this. Jackie

15:26

really wants you to know this that Lynn

15:28

Turner bought a dots in two forty

15:31

z on the credit

15:33

card. How surprised do you think Glynn Turner

15:36

was when he gets his credit card bill

15:39

in the mailbox. It's

15:42

like, I thought I'd pay that off next. By the now it's like

15:44

twenty thousand dollars there's a two

15:47

forty z on there. My husband would

15:49

have my head, not only that, I would have his

15:51

nancy for doing that. This is the kinds of expenses

15:54

you don't just occur. But let

15:56

me say this, we all know

15:58

the good and the bad I would suggest

16:01

about those people would choose to marry. I

16:03

do not think it was a surprise to him

16:06

that he married somebody who was spending

16:08

his money left and right. No,

16:12

I do not like a spendthrift.

16:14

Absolutely not the other day day we tried to

16:16

get a new pair of shoes. I'm like, oh no, no, no, no no, we're

16:18

gonna get those. We sold again, Yes

16:21

we are. But you know what, doctor Bethany

16:23

Marshall, that shows you the wide

16:26

range of marriages. Because I

16:29

was at an open, open street

16:31

festival with a

16:33

friend of mine that is actually a

16:35

shrink, she's a

16:38

psychologist. She

16:41

was going to get a pair of, as

16:43

she called them, chandelier earrings

16:45

that was being sold in one of the

16:48

I hate shopping, but I was just walking

16:50

along basically looking for food

16:53

at the street festival. She was

16:55

shopping, and she

16:57

actually called her husband to

17:01

ask to buy the earrings. When

17:03

she hung up, I'm like, you have to ask

17:05

to buy a pair of ear rings at a street

17:07

festival. They're thirty dollars.

17:09

She goes, well, you know,

17:12

Dan, am I spending We now check

17:14

in with each other every time one of us can

17:16

spend over twenty five dollars. I'm like, uh

17:18

you fine, Okay. My answer

17:21

to that was just me, don't buy it if I have to

17:23

call David to ask him,

17:26

Dear Lord in Heaven. So that shows

17:28

you the wide range of

17:30

how finances are handled in marriages.

17:33

If I had to call my husband every time I

17:35

spent twenty five dollars a wee be on

17:37

the phone all day long, and he

17:39

would, well, you are in I've

17:44

never seen you in the same dress

17:47

or a pair of ear rings, and they all fit.

17:50

Slim fit time

18:05

stories with Nancy Grace that

18:08

they'd only had sex twice as

18:10

they were married. He said that she had some kind of female

18:13

problem and she wouldn't be able to have sex. Of

18:15

course, we're all thinking to ourselves,

18:17

well, I

18:19

could dame three or four other guys she's seeing as she's

18:21

having sex with. Of course I couldn't say anything to him.

18:24

Lynn also told friends Lynne was spending

18:26

money faster than he could earn it. He

18:28

said, here, I am working three hundred sixty

18:30

five days, working all these part time jobs, sometimes

18:32

two or three jobs a day, about got

18:35

it paid off, and here she just wrung them

18:37

all back up again. I mean, she just had

18:39

a stack of credit cards and just spent spent,

18:41

spent spent. While Lynn

18:44

was married to Glenn, she met Randy

18:46

Thompson, a fireman from a nearby town.

18:49

Randy's family says Lynn lied about

18:51

her marital status Lynne

18:54

had told us she had been married, but that she

18:56

was divorced. Okay, I

18:59

got a barrow A phrase not my

19:01

own. The writing is on

19:04

the wall, guys, How

19:06

did one woman end up with a dead

19:08

boyfriend and a dead

19:10

husband? Aside from claiming

19:13

she has quote female problems. He can't

19:15

have sex with her husband for two years. Apparently

19:18

she's dating a lot of other guys. That was

19:20

the problem. That's the problem right there.

19:23

Guys, take a listen to our friends at Forensic

19:25

Files. He was so sick. I

19:27

could hear his voice shaking when he talked

19:30

to me. He just said he had an unbelievable stomach

19:32

virus. He couldn't get rid of it. He

19:34

was vomiting, couldn't stop vomiting,

19:36

He had diarrhea. And he's just basically said

19:38

to me, and I've never been the sick like this. He

19:41

was also incoherent and

19:43

hallucinating. His wife

19:46

said he'd had a really bad night that in the

19:48

middle of the night, he had got up, began

19:50

to hallucinate. He began to run around

19:52

the house. He'd pulled out his weapon.

19:55

He thought there were intruders outside

19:57

and truders trying to get inside the house. Glenn's

20:00

wife coaxed him back into bed. The

20:03

next morning, he appeared to be better. He

20:05

called me he was going to go to work the next day, and

20:10

I thought that, you know, he was sounding good, and I

20:12

thought that he was going to be fine. But

20:14

a few hours later, Glenn

20:16

Turner died. To doctor

20:18

Chris Sperry joining us, what

20:22

do you make of those symptoms?

20:25

He's confused, he's sick. He's

20:29

just feeling very, very bad. And

20:32

you know it, on one level,

20:34

it sounds like he's just got a bad case of the flu,

20:37

and it could be easily mistaken for that without

20:40

any problem, right, you mean hallucinating.

20:42

I've had the flu. I never hallucinated. Some

20:44

people, if your twoberature gets high enough,

20:46

or you get a little dehydrated, you

20:49

know, you'll you'll hallucinate and

20:52

it could be pretty bad.

20:54

I mean, it's enough that

20:57

he got to, you know, the first thought to be taken to

20:59

the hospital just before that, because

21:01

it could mean that they're critically dehydrated,

21:03

for instance, you know, or their fevers very high.

21:06

It should be checked out. But alone,

21:10

you know, that's that's not the first thing that the

21:12

doctors are going to think about. Well, if they

21:14

get if he went to the hospital, the first

21:17

thing the doctors are going to think is going

21:19

to be dehydration something

21:21

like that that's causing the illness.

21:24

And they're not going to think about

21:26

poisoning as the

21:28

first diagnosis based upon his symptoms.

21:30

But Sparry, do you remember what

21:33

they first thought was

21:35

gland Turner's cause of death?

21:37

Oh, they thought he had the flu,

21:40

had a heart attack because of having

21:42

the flu. It was very vague. How does

21:44

that happen? How do you have the flu and then

21:46

have a heart attack? Well, that flu derived

21:49

heart attack? Well, because I've never heard of that. I you

21:52

have to have bad heart disease to start with something

21:56

that is making your heart more sensitive

21:59

to severe stress us And

22:01

it's uh, actually,

22:03

I can tell you. You know, we're almost

22:06

one hundred thousand autopsies. I've never

22:09

seen anybody have a heart attack because they

22:11

had the flu, unless it was a you

22:13

know, a ninety year old man who had already had

22:16

multiple bypassed procedures

22:18

in his heart argies. You know, they're already

22:20

has really severe underlying problems.

22:23

But right normal hearts

22:25

that that just you know,

22:27

that's not going to be a problem. What about it Cheryl

22:30

McCollum, and do you recall what

22:32

they first thought regarding

22:35

cod costs of death on Glenn Turner, right,

22:37

they thought of the irregular heartbeat brought

22:39

home by probably dehydration. But

22:42

Nancy pre and post behavior

22:44

matter here and again,

22:46

do you want to start with what family and

22:49

brands thought his

22:51

brother at their wedding

22:54

given the best man, Toast said,

22:57

and I quote, I feel

23:00

like I'm more at a funeral than a wedding.

23:04

Come on, now, they knew, they

23:07

knew before the vows

23:09

were done that this was not

23:12

gonna work. They all were fearful

23:14

that this was not a good fit, not

23:16

a good you know couple. And

23:19

I think when the when she makes

23:21

a statement, he's running around, he goes into the

23:23

basement, he's trying to drink gasoline. At

23:26

that point, why would she, as a

23:28

nine one one operator, not call nine

23:30

one one for help? She couldn't get him

23:32

back up those basement steps if she tried nothing

23:36

about this. Yeah, doctor

23:38

Bethany, I was going to ask you a question I recall

23:40

for the longest and actually I still do it to

23:42

this very day. After case murder,

23:45

I would very often not

23:49

meaning to when I try to say wedding, I'd

23:51

say funeral and vice

23:53

versa, and still do it today.

23:57

I guess I always connected at somehow

24:00

because it's right before our wedding and

24:02

it ended up turning into a funeral. But

24:06

sometimes people say things they

24:08

don't mean to say, or they may say things

24:10

in jest, but

24:12

it reveals an underlying truth,

24:15

or at least in their minds.

24:17

What is that phenomenon, doctor bethany

24:20

Well, it sounds to me like her

24:23

lack of love for him was

24:26

transparent that everybody

24:28

thought but him. It's like he was the

24:30

one person in the room that hadn't

24:33

gotten the memo. And it

24:35

sounds to me like the best man

24:37

who was given a speech wanted

24:39

to speak his truth. I mean, they

24:41

were concerned about him. They were worried

24:44

about him, not about her, I don't think, but

24:46

they were worried about him and Nancy. It

24:49

sounds like when he was poisoned,

24:51

he was in the middle of some kind of a psychotic

24:53

episode or what we could call a delirium.

24:57

We've used the word hallucinating. But

24:59

if a heart of the delirium or

25:01

the psychotic episode was that he

25:03

was waving a gun and

25:06

thought that intruders were going to break

25:08

into the house. Why would

25:10

she put him back in bed

25:13

and spend a night with him. I mean, people who

25:15

are that paranoid are very scary.

25:18

He's waving a gun. What's to guarantee

25:20

he's not going to shoot her and think she's the intruders.

25:23

So somehow she had

25:25

the upper hand in the situation. Even

25:27

though she claimed he was psychotic

25:30

and paranoid. She knew what was going

25:32

to happen to him, She knew she was safe,

25:35

she knew how this story was going

25:37

to end. So it's hard to know what

25:40

really happened in that household that night. So

25:42

the next day he calls his mom and he says

25:44

he's feeling better, he's going to go to work, But

25:46

a few hours later he dies.

25:49

What happens after that? Listen to

25:51

our frand Peter Thomas. Just a few weeks

25:53

after Glenn's funeral, Lynn

25:56

moved in with Randy Thompson. Although

25:59

they had two children together, they

26:02

were never legally married, probably

26:04

because Lynn would have had to forfeit Glenn

26:07

Turner's pension. I believe

26:09

that's why she didn't marry Randy. She'd lost

26:11

Glenn's pension by remarried, so

26:14

she didn't marry. She's smart, she

26:16

knew that money was out. It

26:19

wasn't long before Randy Thompson

26:22

told friends, just as Glenn Turner

26:24

had, that he was unhappy with

26:26

lynn Lee. It was almost calm called

26:28

the way they fought Cat and dog

26:31

is back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Nas,

26:34

why do you keep caller? Why

26:36

do you even take phone calls? Well,

26:40

she's the mom of my kids, and all eyes

26:42

the mom of my children. So

26:44

once again she's landed right in the middle

26:47

of an unhappy relationship as she

26:49

wilcot the fact that she moves in

26:51

with another guy just weeks after her husband's

26:53

funeral, that's concerning. How often do

26:55

you see that? Yeah, it is concerning. You

26:57

often see that when it is a person who

27:00

uses people for their own means. And

27:02

so I would also suggest, you know, to all

27:04

those people who are listening out there, he

27:07

really cautious. When you meet somebody

27:09

who's ready to move in immediately

27:11

after they've just buried

27:13

the person they were with. This this

27:16

is a huge red flag that

27:18

she is out for herself no

27:20

one else, and she might be a little pret Greg.

27:22

You know, I'm just thinking back on that cod

27:25

cause of death, doctor Sperry,

27:28

I guess because the wife said

27:31

he had pneumonia or the flu, and

27:34

they think he had a heart attack. Wouldn't

27:37

you just natch Lowton? There be an autopsy

27:40

when someone that young passes

27:42

away. Well there was an autopsy, and

27:46

and what did not was

27:48

not figured out, actually until I

27:50

figured it out a few years later, after

27:53

Randy Thompson died. The pathologist

27:55

never looked at the tissue

27:58

slides from the kidneys or ready, oh, let

28:00

me make an out of that. Never looked at

28:02

tissue slide. Well you know what you

28:04

just mentioned, m Mandy Thompson.

28:07

Take a listen to this doctor's berry. First,

28:09

he fell off a fire truck and coming Georgia

28:11

and broke his nose. When

28:13

he had surgery to repair the damage, he

28:16

developed a life threatening staff infection.

28:19

The doctors told him this is a very very

28:22

serious situation. You can die

28:24

from this very easily. Randy

28:26

survived that, but his health problems

28:29

continued. One of his friends found

28:31

him sprawled on his kitchen floor, vomiting

28:34

and incoherent. He started

28:36

hallucinating and he looked at me said get

28:39

back in your damn cage and let I said,

28:41

what getting your cage? What are you talking

28:43

about, Randy, I said, getting

28:45

your cage. That'll realize he thought

28:47

he was talking to his bird. This

28:50

was diagnosed as a severe stomach virus,

28:54

but gradually he improved thanks

28:56

to help from his common law wife Lynn. Every

28:59

time, I thought, doing me sounds stronger and stronger,

29:01

and he said, Lynde bade me grilled cheese with

29:04

sweet tea. He said, I held it down, didn't

29:06

throw it up. That's well good,

29:08

Randy, sask this and maybe you're on the you're

29:11

on the uphill slide of this. Two

29:14

days later, his condition deteriorated,

29:17

and Randy Thompson died.

29:19

Hallucinations again. Says

29:22

that you're feeling better after your kamal

29:24

law wife gives you grilled

29:27

cheese and sweet tea. Listen

29:30

to Sharon Martin. Randy had spent much

29:32

of the weekend in bed, tended by

29:34

his girlfriend, Lynde Turner. Sunday

29:37

afternoon, Limb said she went by

29:39

and carried him some food, some chicken

29:41

sue, and the following morning

29:44

his friends from the fire department had come

29:46

by to check on him.

29:48

He actually had a doctor's

29:50

appointment that a friend of his was

29:52

going to take him to but

29:54

there was no answer at the door. Nobody

29:57

can get in. He's not answering the phone. Randy

30:01

was home, however, looking in the window,

30:03

the firefighters could see their friends sprawled

30:06

out on the sofa, but he

30:08

didn't appear to be napping. Randy

30:11

didn't respond at all to nobs yells.

30:13

My husband was a volunteer firefighter, so

30:15

I turned on his pager and I could

30:18

hear the two way

30:20

talk on the radio, so I knew that they were

30:22

there. I knew something at that point was

30:24

really wrong. Worried

30:26

for his friend, one of the firefighters

30:28

quickly kicked in the door, but

30:31

it was too late. Randy

30:33

was already dead. So

30:36

here you have boyfriend and husband

30:38

both dead. To

30:41

Ray Kaputo, the fact that they were both

30:44

having hallucinations just before

30:46

their death. Both seemed to feel better just before their

30:48

death, then die very

30:52

very coincidental. Ray Kaputo

30:54

was Glenn Turner, the husband.

30:57

The first lover was

30:59

his body zoomed. His body was

31:01

eventually exhumed Nancy. After

31:04

all this started taking place, and later things

31:06

were learned, but obviously nobody

31:08

knew anything until they started putting

31:10

the pieces together. After the boyfriend

31:12

that the second person that Lynn was involved

31:14

with die too. Ashley Wilcott, you know

31:16

how hard it is to get a body examed. You have to

31:19

jump through a lot of legal hoops, you

31:21

absolutely do, and you have to file, you

31:23

have to get a court order, and it is very

31:25

tough to do crime

31:39

stories with Nancy Grace. You

31:43

may wonder what could be a potential

31:45

motive to kill not one but two. Me

31:47

and Listen investigators made a

31:50

startling discovery. Even

31:52

though Randy Thompson had only thirty

31:54

five thousand dollars worth of life insurance,

31:57

Lynn was in a big hurry to collect

31:59

it. We were able to determine

32:01

and through cell phone records at on the

32:03

day of Randy's funeral, between

32:06

the time of the service and

32:08

the church and the service

32:11

that was held at the cemetery, Lynn

32:14

was on her cell phone trying to contact

32:16

the insurance company. Maybe

32:20

there was more to the death of these

32:22

two men than first appeared.

32:24

Lynn must have had something to do with some of

32:26

this, because there is no

32:29

way to young men police

32:31

officer in the firefighter dying at

32:33

a young age without somebody doing

32:36

something. But it took a

32:38

medical examiner to

32:41

bring it all to ahead. Listen, doctor

32:43

capon and learned what happened

32:45

until Lynn Turner's first husband, Glenn,

32:48

six years earlier. On a

32:50

hunch, he reviewed Glenn

32:52

Turner's autopsy report. He

32:55

looked at all the tissues and polarized

32:58

law long in the kid he as

33:00

I do in all my cases, and to

33:03

my surprise, there were Auxley

33:05

crystals in Glynn Turner's

33:07

kidneys. So

33:10

doctor Caponin went back to the toxicology

33:12

lab and asked them to recheck

33:15

the test results on Randy Thompson's

33:17

tissue samples, and

33:20

the lab discovered they'd

33:22

made a mathematical error. I

33:25

immediately realized that I had

33:27

made an error in calculating the

33:29

original concentration. But I think like on Randy

33:31

Thompson's flood, and in fact, I

33:33

was off by a factor of ten. When

33:35

we made the appropriate correction for

33:38

the mathematical error that I had made, suddenly

33:40

became an elite

33:43

the level of ethyne glacol well with

33:45

me, the former chief medical examiner

33:47

for the whole state of Georgia, doctor Chris

33:49

Sperry, And what you said earlier about

33:52

the lab results, You're

33:54

right, they were not checked

33:57

carefully. What happened. Doctor Sperry

34:00

Component had when he had done the autopsy

34:02

on Randy Thompson. He found these

34:04

crystals in the kidneys that

34:07

were very mysterious, and he brought those to

34:09

me to look at. And

34:11

I was suspicious as well. And that's

34:13

when I called up the Cobb

34:16

County Medical Examiner's office and asked

34:18

for the tissue slides that they

34:21

had made after

34:24

Glynn Turner's death. And a

34:26

few days later I got the slides. And that

34:28

was when I figured out that

34:30

the slides had never been reviewed, had never

34:33

been looked at, because they were still

34:36

glued in their little spaces in

34:38

the cardboard

34:41

container that we store slides in. They

34:43

were made but never looked at. So

34:46

we looked at the slides, started Component and

34:48

I, and sure enough the crystals

34:50

were in the kidneys of Glynn

34:53

Turner. And that put two

34:55

a two together. As

34:58

I have told you many many

35:00

times in your former office at

35:02

the Medical Examiner's headquarters,

35:06

would you please repeat that in regular

35:09

people talk everything

35:11

you just said? Sure? Could you just say that again

35:13

and slow it down for trial

35:16

lawyers like myself to understand? Go ahead? Oh?

35:18

Sure, well, Doctor Components

35:23

had brought me the tissue slides

35:25

from Randy Thompson, and we found

35:28

crystals, the little shiny crystals

35:31

that glow like Christmas trees in

35:33

the kidneys from Randy

35:35

Thompson's autopsy. But

35:38

there's only a few things that these crystals

35:40

could be come from, and

35:43

one of those things that's pretty high

35:45

on the list is anti freeze.

35:48

The chemical name is ethlee glycol.

35:51

But if someone drinks anti freeze,

35:54

the body will try to metabolize

35:57

the anti freeze and it ended up

35:59

as crystal deposited in the

36:01

kidneys, which actually will make the kidneys

36:03

shut down. So looking

36:06

at that, and we had no reason

36:09

to glind Turner to, I

36:12

assumed be Randy Thompson did not have any

36:14

diseases or medical conditions

36:16

that would cause him to form these types

36:18

of crystals. Then

36:21

I didn't actually myself called the Cobb

36:24

County Medical Examiner's office and

36:26

asked for tissue slides

36:28

from glind Turners

36:32

of autopsy and I

36:34

got them. They were said to me in a couple of days

36:36

in a plastic card in a cardboard

36:38

contain we store slides

36:40

in these tissue slides we make

36:42

from autopsy tissues, and lord

36:45

behold the slides had never

36:47

been removed from

36:49

that cardboard container, because

36:52

they will sometimes get little dabs

36:54

of glue that we

36:56

use in making the slides that will

36:59

make them stick to the cardboard container.

37:01

And all of them were stuck down. They

37:04

had never been looked at. So doctor

37:06

component and I put them under the microscope,

37:09

I would behold. We found the same

37:11

type of crystals in that

37:14

we had seen in Randy Thompson's kidney slides.

37:17

We found the same types of crystals and Glenn

37:19

turners. And with both

37:22

of those together, the only thing

37:24

that would cause crystals

37:27

in the kidneys of two otherwise healthy

37:29

men would be anti

37:31

freeze poisoning. Doctor Sperry. I'm just curious.

37:34

When you order

37:36

them, and based

37:39

on what you're learning, you go, hey, I want to see those

37:41

slides. You order them,

37:44

and you put the slide. You see they've never

37:47

been taken out of the container

37:49

because they're still kind of glued in. You

37:52

take them out, you put them, I guess under a microscope,

37:55

right, and you see these, as you say, crystals.

37:58

What does that look like for the

38:00

rest of us, what can we how can we compare

38:02

that? It looks like looking at a bunch of

38:05

stars on a dark night,

38:07

looking up and see it all stars.

38:11

You're cutting out on me, But stars,

38:14

okay, You're findings

38:18

suddenly lead to an investigation, and

38:20

we learned that Lynn Turner had gone to an

38:22

animal shelter and try to purchase

38:24

a chemical used to kill cats.

38:27

Some people believe that she wanted

38:30

to kill boyfriend Randy

38:32

Thompson. In the end,

38:36

she's taken a trial. That's when I staked

38:38

her out in a parking lot, and

38:40

she is found guilty

38:43

on a double murder. But

38:45

that is not the end of the

38:47

story. Lynn Turner

38:50

goes to jail. But to

38:53

you, doctor Chris Berry, how

38:55

does this story ultimately end? A

38:57

few years after she was imprisoned, we

39:00

got a call one morning that she

39:02

had been found dead in her cell, and

39:05

so that, you know, gets

39:08

her an automatic autopsy. And

39:10

I did the autopsy myself, and

39:12

what I found was that she had saved

39:15

up. She had high blood pressure, and instead

39:17

of taking her high blood pressure pills every

39:20

day, she saved them up

39:22

surreptitiously. And

39:24

once she had we figure

39:27

about forty to fifty of the of the high

39:29

blood blood pressure medicine pills,

39:32

she took all of them all at one time. And

39:34

killed herself. What would that do to you? Taking

39:37

that many high bloo pressure pills, that particular

39:39

pill, what it would do Her heart would

39:41

gradually slow down because

39:44

that particular pill affects the

39:46

way the heart beats, and it will slow

39:48

the heart down normally, and

39:50

in toxic doses, it will just

39:53

cause the heart to ultimately slow down

39:56

and stop on its own Doctor's berry.

39:58

As I recall, she fed

40:00

Randy Thompson annie

40:03

freeze sweet tasting and sweet

40:05

tea, and fed Gland Turner

40:07

annie freeze in jello. Remember

40:10

that. Yeah, the end

40:12

of the story. Questions

40:15

answered, But the

40:17

memory of these two men still burn

40:20

in the minds of their families. Nancy

40:24

Grace Crime Stories, signing

40:26

off goodbye friend,