0:08

On February ninth and two thousand four,

0:10

Maura Murray left her dorm in Massachusetts

0:13

and drove some one miles

0:15

into New Hampshire. Her car hit

0:18

a tree. It's cold, it's desolate,

0:21

it's barren, and it's very

0:23

dark. This is

0:25

crime stories. But Nancy Grace, a

0:29

person came along, was driving bus, was

0:32

a neighbor. He asked her she knew to help,

0:34

she refused. My immediate reaction

0:36

when I found open my daughter was miss him was

0:39

right at the EDG Japanic. She found

0:41

her cock was in an accident. She's

0:44

not there. Where is she? Where is

0:46

the search now? How far do you look

0:48

now? And it turns out there but there was no re

0:50

search. The initial conclusions

0:53

at the scene was that Mara

0:55

had probably left on her own free will. Imagine

0:59

this a old February evening,

1:02

very close to Valentine's Day, and

1:04

you have a fender bender, but

1:08

your family says you're never

1:11

seen again. I

1:13

cannot even imagine what

1:16

it would be like to race to the scene

1:18

of a fender bender of my sister,

1:21

my mom, my husband,

1:24

and the cars there, all

1:26

their stuffs inside, but

1:29

they're gone. I

1:31

just held that thought for a moment. Hello

1:34

everybody, It's Nancy Grace with crime

1:36

stories and I'm talking about,

1:38

of course Maura Murray

1:41

and joining me along with the Duke

1:43

Alan Duke investigative reporter today

1:45

two special guests Tim and

1:47

Lance. They have made it

1:50

their mission to find out what happened

1:52

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1:55

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3:38

February nine, two thousand four

3:41

have her hill in Hampshire, Lovely

3:44

area, rural not too

3:46

far from a town. Murray,

3:48

a nursing student at University Massachusetts,

3:52

never disappeared before, but

3:54

that afternoon Feb nine,

3:57

before she leaves campus, she emailed

3:59

her teachers and her

4:01

work manager that

4:04

she was taking a week off. Now

4:08

she set us because of a death in the family,

4:10

but no one can confirm that. At

4:14

first, I almost hate to say

4:16

this, it sounds like a bad echo. Police

4:19

treat it as a missing person

4:22

case. Uh

4:24

that was because of her alleged

4:27

travel preps, no sign

4:29

of foul play, She's never

4:31

been seen again. This

4:34

is fab nine, two thousand and four.

4:36

But she's still on vacation. I

4:40

don't buy it, and I'm also suspicious

4:43

as to who or why

4:45

those messages were sent to a work

4:48

supervisor and professors

4:50

at school. Let's bring in now,

4:53

Tim and Lance, guys. Thank you so much for

4:55

being with us. Tim, I've never

4:57

believed this was a voluntary missing case.

5:00

Never. Yeah, thank you very much

5:02

for having us on. Nancy. Um, yeah,

5:04

it's it's definitely a confusing

5:06

case, to say the least. I don't

5:08

like that. I don't like confusing, and

5:11

I'll tell you why, because to me,

5:13

it's very clear. I'm not confused.

5:15

I mean, honestly, you confused. You think

5:18

she just went on vacation, never showed back up,

5:20

just left her nursing studies, left

5:22

her family, left her job, everything,

5:24

and went to Hey with it. I'm

5:26

just gonna leave and leave my car and everything

5:29

else. You really think that's what happened.

5:32

Thirteen years have gone by. I think it's very

5:35

very difficult to to believe

5:37

that she's still out there. I'm not confused

5:40

at all. She was taken

5:42

and she was killed. Tim

5:45

and Lance joining me from their Missing

5:47

Morra Murray podcast. Let's

5:49

go through the facts. You start, Tim,

5:51

Okay, well she got into a single car accident

5:54

at about seven thirty pm. And

5:56

back at up, back at up, Mr

5:59

Man, single car

6:01

accident. You sound like a cop for Pete.

6:03

I'm glad that you started, Tim, your

6:05

eggs, little boy. But

6:08

when you say a single car accident, let's let's talk

6:10

about what happened. Okay,

6:12

what happened? What do you mean by single car accident?

6:15

I'll never forget. When I was a brand new prosecutor,

6:18

I was trying to drop up indictments for

6:20

the grand jury, which basically means

6:22

you're stuck with reading a big, huge file and

6:24

then you boil it down. You figure out what

6:27

counts should this person be charged

6:29

with, if any, and you fear

6:31

it through all the information and come up with the correct

6:33

felon accounts. And I was reading a police

6:35

important and said, we secreted ourselves.

6:38

I'm like, what you secreted yourselves?

6:41

I figured out that's cop taught for We went

6:43

and hid. Okay, Now, single car

6:45

accident brings back secreted memories,

6:48

and what that means is they hid themselves

6:50

to spy on somebody. So when you say

6:53

single car accident, this is important,

6:55

Tim and Lance. What did

6:57

you hit? My point is was it stay

7:00

aged? What did she hit? Well,

7:02

there are some out there, there's a school thought out there

7:04

that, um, the accident

7:06

was not It didn't appear

7:09

to be to be a normal miss

7:11

miss interpretation of a curve. Route

7:14

one twelve was extremely windy

7:16

and it was dark, and there could have been a situation

7:18

where she might have hit some black ice and overcorrected.

7:21

Um, but the damage on her car was not really

7:24

consistent with the damage. Um

7:26

that do we know what she hit?

7:28

It was a guard I leill tell you it was a guardrail,

7:31

for Pete's sake, a guardrail on Route

7:33

nine in Hadley. Um,

7:36

No, wait a minute, that was a different father's

7:38

car. That's right, that was her dad's car.

7:40

Yeah, she had an accident two days beforehand

7:43

with her father's car right outside of you Mass.

7:45

So what do we know about

7:47

her fender bender? It

7:50

was the police report says

7:52

she hit a tree, but we

7:54

don't believe that's true. We think

7:56

it was a snow bank. Right. You really couldn't

7:58

be going that fast that road to

8:01

hit a tree. If she was going that fast to go through the

8:03

snowbank to hit the tree, the damage would have been very

8:05

obvious and the car would have been in a different spot.

8:08

Let me ask you a question. What I'm getting

8:10

at and why I find this significant is

8:12

really no detail is

8:14

insignificant in any criminal case,

8:17

especially if it catches

8:19

your interest. If you find something unusual

8:21

about it, you need to at least

8:24

investigate it. My point is, I

8:26

don't really care if she hit a stop

8:28

sign, a tree, or snowbank. But what I'm

8:31

wondering is was it stage

8:33

does somebody else do that to her car? Or

8:36

was she in the car struggling for the

8:38

wheel and it went off the road. How

8:41

do I know she was driving the

8:43

car or even in the car.

8:46

So let's start with A before we get

8:48

to Z A. Do we

8:50

have any indication whatsoever

8:53

that she was driving the car? Yes,

8:56

so a neighbor, butch Atwood, he lived

8:58

about a hundred yards away from the

9:00

accident scene, was driving his bus. He was a bus

9:02

driver. He was driving his bus home that night

9:04

and came upon the scene probably about

9:07

a minute later, and spoke

9:09

to Maura, told her that if

9:11

she wanted, she could go back to his house and

9:13

get warm. She said, it's okay.

9:15

I already called Triple A. She told him

9:17

not to call the police. He said he was going to call the police,

9:19

he said, She said, no, I already called Triple A. Okay,

9:22

hold on right there. Unless I

9:24

was phrasing to death, I

9:26

would not go in an unknown man's

9:28

house. And he was a

9:30

very He was a very intimidating looking man. He was

9:32

over three hundred pounds um grizzled,

9:35

grizzled man. So

9:37

I don't find that unusual. Now, some people would

9:39

say, oh, she didn't want to go in there because

9:42

she had another plan. She was going to take off with

9:44

so and so. I wouldn't go in there either. So

9:46

she had a cell phone? Correct, Yeah, that's

9:48

correct. Did she call Triple A? Is

9:51

that real? No, you can't if

9:53

you go there today like today, you can't

9:55

get cell phone reception in that area.

9:57

And he knew that too. But do we know of

10:00

cell phone record where she tried to call? It

10:02

does not exist. She there was no activity

10:04

on her phone. Okay that that

10:07

that's legitimate to say she didn't have cell

10:09

reception. I don't know that, but

10:11

I do know cell phone records don't lie.

10:14

So she didn't call, She didn't call, and

10:16

she lied to the guy. Now do I

10:19

hold that against her? No, because

10:21

I might make something up in order to

10:23

get away from some dude trying to get me to get into his

10:25

head. I wouldn't this, Okay, So what

10:28

happens then she doesn't go to the

10:30

house. What happens, Well, then

10:32

another neighbor pretty much directly across

10:35

the street at seven

10:38

calls and speaks

10:40

to operator

10:42

UH and explains the scenario

10:45

outside of her window and describes

10:48

a flurry of activity at the trunk and

10:51

between does she see does

10:53

she see Maura at the trunk? She sees

10:56

a woman? A woman? Well,

10:58

I still think that was Ara unless

11:00

because you know, I statistically a

11:03

woman is not going to kidnap another woman

11:05

out on an ice bank. Okay, that's not gonna

11:07

happen. So let's

11:09

go with that's moraw for right now. Now

11:12

that's I'm trying to time it. How

11:14

soon did that How close was that call to

11:16

police actually getting there? The one

11:19

of the police officers, Cecil Smith, was dispatched

11:22

at seven nine at seven

11:24

forty, the Atwood

11:26

residents um

11:29

spoke to one give

11:31

me those times again, I'm sorry, seven forty seven

11:33

forty the Atwood residents called one

11:37

was busy. They got a call back from

11:39

UM from dispatch at seven

11:42

forty two. The first witness call was at

11:45

seven seven, and

11:47

so the first officer arrived on

11:49

the scene at seven forty six. So there

11:51

were two nine one one calls. So

11:53

you've got nineteen minutes between them

11:56

seeing her at the trunk and

11:58

the cop getting there. Nineteen minutes, is that

12:00

right? Yes? Now that second the

12:02

first time they called nine one one it was busy?

12:05

Is that when they saw her? That was a few minutes

12:07

later? That right, That was a few minutes later.

12:09

But Chadwood went back to his house, told

12:11

his wife to call. He went back to his bus and couldn't

12:14

quite see the accident scene, but saw cars

12:16

going by in the In the

12:18

meantime, Faith Westman, the

12:20

first witness across the street,

12:22

called, and that's when

12:25

that's when police were dispatched. And

12:27

that was that the

12:32

first call, and seven

12:34

was when police Cecil Smith

12:36

was dispatched to the scene and he got their

12:38

nineteen minutes later, correct, at seven. What

12:41

I'm trying to figure out is how much time

12:43

elapsed between someone actually seeing

12:46

her at the trump and the cop getting

12:48

there, as long as Faith Westman kept

12:51

her eyes on on on the

12:53

car the entire time. We don't

12:55

we don't really know. We don't know when Faith Westman

12:57

hung up the phone and why she hung up the phone.

13:00

So the last time we know someone saw her was

13:02

Butch Atwood at between

13:05

seven and seven thirty. Because

13:08

there's nothing, there's no time stamp on when

13:10

he saw her. We just know that during Faith

13:12

Wesman's call, he at one point

13:14

arrived and spoke to more. Okay, so

13:17

tell me the next

13:19

secret of what happens next

13:21

in the sequence of event. Well, she

13:24

was gone by the time Cecil Smith arrived at

13:27

and you're saying someone spoke to her other

13:29

than Butch Adams, which was the only person

13:31

that we know of to speak to her at the scene,

13:34

actually speak to her. Okay. You

13:36

know what's interesting, I wonder if

13:38

police know of many passers by

13:41

that saw her that morning. I'm just trying to pinpoint

13:43

that timeline. No, No, did

13:46

anybody come forward and say they saw her. No,

13:48

one came forward. Immediately. There was another

13:50

neighbor who came forward and said that he saw

13:52

somebody who might somebody who might

13:54

have matched her description a

13:56

few miles up the street up on

13:58

a walking kind of kind

14:00

of running and ducking into the woods. But we have suspicions

14:04

about that individual. That doesn't

14:06

make sense that she'd be ducking in the woods. I

14:08

would be waiting for a lady to come along

14:10

in a car that would give me a ride. Okay,

14:13

so we've got about a nineteen

14:15

minute lapse there. What

14:18

could have happened, Um, we

14:20

know it was her, we know she was in the

14:22

car. We know there was some sort

14:24

of single car accident

14:28

staged or not staged, and

14:30

we know she left the car and

14:33

was at night so nobody could really

14:36

see exactly what

14:38

was going on. Yeah, very dark at the scene.

14:40

Okay, at some point we have a we have a witness

14:43

who um,

14:45

pretty much right right at the time of the accident,

14:47

right around that time frame, within a few a few

14:50

weeks, Um, she reported

14:52

to the police that she did see the

14:54

police suv with zero zero one

14:57

park knows two knows with Morris car somewhere

15:00

in that fifteen

15:03

to nineteen minute timeframe. Um,

15:05

we can pretty much narrow it down to

15:07

about four minutes, four

15:09

to six minutes where she she left

15:12

work, was driving to

15:15

her home. There's a dead

15:17

zone of cell phone reception,

15:19

so she she called before

15:22

she left work, and she called when she got back

15:24

into cell phone reception. In the

15:26

meantime, she passed by the scene and

15:29

saw police SUV zero

15:31

zero one park knows two knows with Morris's car.

15:33

However, she didn't see anybody inside the car, figured

15:37

that it was probably in

15:39

the process of maybe she was in the

15:41

suv with the police officer. It was dark.

15:43

She couldn't see any any any particular

15:46

person. Who was the police officer that answered

15:48

the call? Well, Cecil Smith is the

15:50

first person on paper to

15:52

have arrived there. But the STUV

15:55

that we're talking about wasn't actually on

15:58

any police report. And uh

16:00

that they they say that that police suv

16:03

was was in the shop at

16:05

that time. How could that be? I don't

16:07

know, either the witnesses wrong

16:10

or they're wrong exactly. And who

16:12

would have been in that suv? What

16:15

cop was attached to that suv? The

16:17

only person who was allowed to drive that SUV

16:20

zero zero one is the chief of police and the chief

16:22

of police at the time was Jeff Williams.

16:24

And where was he at that time? Has

16:26

he been accounted for. I don't know, as far

16:28

as we know that he might have been drunk.

16:31

What what wokay? What?

16:34

Oh ho ho whoa whoa, whoa whoa. This

16:36

is a whole new monkey when you've thrown into this.

16:38

So another witness states

16:41

that she sees a police

16:43

suv parked, knows two

16:45

knows like you're gonna jump off the car, and

16:49

doesn't see anybody in Mara's car and

16:52

assumes the person maur is

16:54

in the suv. The

16:56

police force says that suv was

16:58

in the shop and that suv

17:01

is attached to the Chief of Police. This

17:03

is before Officer Cecil

17:06

Smith X Smith gets there.

17:10

Huh, I see. I don't actually,

17:12

as much as I'd love to believe the conspiracy

17:15

theory that the police of chief is the chief of Police

17:17

is involved, the timeline really doesn't

17:19

fit to me. You've only got nineteen

17:21

minutes for what the chief of police

17:24

to show up, kidnap her and make

17:26

off with her and come up with a cover. That

17:29

doesn't make sense to me. And and

17:31

and Faith Westman never says

17:33

in her phone call to that

17:37

the police have arrived, which

17:39

which would be something I would think if I was

17:41

looking at a at an accident and I was

17:43

on the phone with the police and I saw the police

17:45

arrive, I would say, oh, the police have

17:47

arrived, you know. That's how I would end the

17:50

call. Um, Can I ask you

17:52

another question that really

17:54

precedes this this moment.

17:57

What about her statements

17:59

to or messages to her

18:01

boss and her professors that

18:03

she was leaving due to a death in the

18:05

family. Are we for

18:07

sure that she is the one that

18:09

sent those messages or made those statements.

18:12

The statements about there being a

18:14

death in the family and that is why she

18:16

needed to take some some time off have

18:19

been proven to be false. According

18:21

to the email, it did come from her email address.

18:24

Well, that doesn't mean anything to me. The

18:26

fact that it came from her email address. I mean,

18:28

I could hack into your email address on my cell

18:31

phone right now, probably what is it your

18:33

d O B? I mean, come on, are

18:35

your child's d o B? Or your phone number

18:38

or your social I mean someone that

18:40

knew her I A A boyfriend or ex

18:42

boyfriend could guess her

18:44

pass code and send those

18:46

emails. Sure, Yeah, I'm just not

18:48

in the I'm just not I've given

18:51

up speculating on this a long time ago. What

18:53

we know is that an email was sent from her email address.

18:55

So, on the other hand, think of how

18:58

far fetched that would be. An

19:00

ex hacking into your email. Not

19:02

far fetched, but and

19:05

ex hacking into your email,

19:07

plus you happen to have a

19:09

fender bender, plus in

19:12

nineteen minutes you disappear. All

19:14

that together to me doesn't

19:17

add up. Yeah, it definitely

19:19

doesn't add up. Um what

19:21

what the Yeah. The school of thought

19:23

that Tim and I go on at this point

19:25

is that with the accident she got into with

19:27

her father's car, which which was a total uh.

19:30

She she gets into that accident, she allegedly

19:33

had boyfriend problems. He was he was away,

19:35

he was um he was at West Point,

19:37

Um or he was in Oklahoma at

19:40

Fort Sill, And she was going through a bad stretch,

19:42

and it seemed like she needed to get away. And

19:44

if she were to email and

19:46

and and lie about a death in the family to get

19:48

some time off, to get a little extra time off,

19:50

just to clear her head. That's what it seems like happened. Well,

19:53

would she have gone to visit the boyfriend

19:55

at West Point? Why?

19:58

I think he wasn't at West

20:01

Point at that time. I think

20:03

she wanted to take some time

20:05

to herself. I don't think it was. She had just

20:07

seen him over Christmas break. I think she

20:09

needed some time to be alone. Every

20:11

everything she took, because everything. Every

20:14

time I hear of a woman that says she

20:16

wants to be alone and goes

20:18

missing, a guy killed her.

20:21

Okay, so let's

20:23

think about this. So just because she saw him

20:25

at Christmas break, this is February,

20:28

if they were having problems, would she have gone

20:30

there to try to work them out? Where you're saying he's

20:32

not at West Point? So where was he?

20:34

He was at Fort Sill in Oklahoma? So

20:37

the boyfriends at Fort Sill, Oklahoma.

20:40

How far of a drive would that have been? And why

20:42

would she have ditched her car to do it?

20:45

It's like a twenty hour drive or something like

20:47

that. So what

20:49

do we know about him? Has he been investigated?

20:52

Yeah? He has um

20:54

he was cleared a while a

20:57

long time ago by police. So

20:59

it's sounds like all conspiracy

21:02

theories aside. She does have

21:04

a finder bender and somebody picks

21:06

her up. H Is

21:08

that what you think? Yeah?

21:11

I think we I think we both agree that that's what happened.

21:13

So let's talk about her activity. Didn't

21:16

she go on Google Map, map

21:19

quest or something the night before. What do we know about

21:21

that? Yeah, she she called

21:23

for She called to potentially

21:25

rent a condo in Bartlett,

21:28

New Hampshire, but she also had directions

21:30

to Burlington, Vermont in

21:32

her car that ski season,

21:35

I mean, did she take ski gear with her?

21:37

What? What was in the car? She had

21:40

basically like a backpack of

21:44

sort of an overnight bag, maybe maybe a few

21:46

It seemed like she was probably going away for a few

21:48

nights based on her clothes,

21:51

her cell phone, her keys, and her wallet have

21:53

never been recovered. Cell

21:55

phone, keys, and wallet. But was

21:58

backpack still in the car? Yes?

22:01

Uh? Yeah, there was sort of a duffel bag I think

22:03

with um with a lot of her belongings and some

22:05

alcohol as well. Was in the car

22:07

still? So didn't she just go to the liquor

22:09

store? Yes, she went to the liquor store

22:12

before she left. So sounds

22:14

to me like she was going away

22:16

for a weekend, two or

22:18

three days somewhere. But was

22:21

she going to meet somebody?

22:23

The condo she called had had two

22:25

bedrooms on the condo she

22:27

she attempted to rent. Um,

22:29

So there's there's been lots of speculation

22:31

of that over the years, but no one's ever come

22:34

out and said they were supposed to be with her

22:37

or well what about her cell phone?

22:39

Were there any cell phone calls or

22:41

emails or text to suggest she was

22:44

meeting someone. There was just

22:46

a mysterious ping

22:48

which could have been from her cell phone or

22:50

to her cell phone off of the London Dairy,

22:53

New Hampshire tower, which is I think

22:55

about an hour away from

22:57

where she where her car was found. Um,

23:00

but there's nothing after that. There's there's

23:02

been no activity on her phone. Why why

23:04

do you say it as a mystery paining it's

23:07

it's just tough to get the cell phone

23:09

records from I think it was sprint

23:12

back back in two thousand

23:14

four for what could have been her

23:16

checking her voicemail. Maybe there's

23:19

just been there's very little information, but I mean, if

23:21

it pinned off that tower, that means that the

23:23

cell phone was near that tower, within

23:25

within that that's

23:28

also strange. That's also strange because

23:30

it doesn't make sense with the route she would have taken

23:32

from u mass Um that that that

23:35

tower in the town where where

23:37

it pinned is off of a different highway

23:39

than the one that she would have taken

23:41

from western Massachusetts. But doesn't

23:44

it make sense if someone got her in the car.

23:46

I mean she's alone on the side of the road at night,

23:49

so she's gone about a mile according to

23:51

one motorist if they're to be believed,

23:54

And she definitely

23:57

leaves the scene. So she's either picked

23:59

up in a car at the scene of her crash

24:01

or she starts walking because she doesn't

24:03

want to go into the home with this butch guy

24:06

and gets picked up there. So

24:09

she got picked up by somebody either

24:11

on foot or at the scene. Why

24:14

wouldn't it make sense for her if

24:16

she's taken involuntarily, Why wouldn't it make

24:19

sense for them to go in direction of the pink? Well,

24:22

the pin came before the accident

24:24

that came about. Probably, Yeah,

24:26

that was the route from um from

24:29

Massachusetts to New Hampshire. Yeah,

24:31

and like Tim said, it's on it's on a different highway.

24:34

If you were to leave you mass Amherst

24:36

and go to New Hampshire, you'd be taking a certain highway.

24:38

This was pained off of another

24:41

major highway going to New Hampshire. Who,

24:43

if anyone did she know in the Berkshire's

24:46

um Burlington Because

24:48

around midnight the night before, I

24:51

mean that night, because midnight she goes missing.

24:53

That day, Feb nine, she uses her

24:55

personal computer PC to search map

24:58

quest to get to the Shire

25:00

Berkshire's or to Burlington, Vermont,

25:03

both SKay areas. So did

25:05

she know anyone in those areas, not

25:07

that we know of. We know her sister and

25:09

brother in law lived in Vermont, but they

25:12

have not uh come

25:15

out and said that she was planning

25:17

to meet That she's brushing off her boyfriend

25:19

because at one o'clock that afternoon

25:22

she disappears that nine. About six and a half

25:24

hours later, she writes in

25:26

an email, I got your messages, but honestly

25:28

I don't feel like talking to much of anyone. I promised

25:30

to call today though. Did she call him?

25:33

I don't believe that they actually spoke on

25:35

the phone. I know that there were calls that were

25:37

back and forth with checking voicemails,

25:39

and she didn't actually talk to him

25:41

on the phone, right tim. I don't believe that's

25:43

in the phone record. I think she no. I think

25:45

she called him and then he called her pretty

25:48

pretty much immediately. She didn't

25:50

reach him, and then he started calling her friends.

25:52

It seems she was intent on going

25:55

to a hotel, because she called

25:58

around two oh five after or

26:00

she calls or emails emails the boyfriend

26:02

that afternoon at one she calls

26:05

a number that gives you recorded information

26:07

about booking hotels in still Vermont

26:12

to eighteen. She calls the BF

26:14

again and leaves a message saying

26:16

they'll talk later. That was just a

26:18

message in her car,

26:20

clothing, textbooks, um

26:23

toiletries. Her room was searched

26:25

later and campus police found

26:28

most of her belongings packed in

26:30

boxes and art removed

26:32

from the walls. There's

26:35

yeah, they had there. There was a like

26:37

the spring break that they had just come back

26:39

from. So a lot of people have

26:41

told us that it's not uncommon for

26:44

everything to still be packed at that time. Huh.

26:48

There, semester starts later at U mass

26:50

It starts at the end of January, So

26:53

that doesn't mean she was packing up to lar It

26:55

could have been she just arrived a few days and

26:58

on top of the boxes there was a printed email

27:00

to her boyfriend talking about trouble

27:03

in their relationship. Why

27:05

was that printed out? Why would you print out

27:07

an email? That's a great question got

27:09

us. That's one of them. That's one of the mysteries of it. She

27:12

was alone that afternoon close to

27:14

four o'clock, because she was seen on an

27:16

a t M with drawing about almost

27:19

three hundred bucks. She bought

27:21

about forty bucks worth of Booze

27:24

Bailey's Irish cream

27:26

Khalua vodka. Okay,

27:29

this was she was alone, because that's caught on

27:31

video, and she picked up accident

27:34

report forms. I guess that was for

27:36

a crash with her dad's car, that's correct.

27:39

Then she leaves on interstate. She

27:42

checks her voicemail at four seven

27:45

and that's it. That's correct. And

27:47

the time, the timing of that is is

27:49

pretty accurate as far as when you lose cell

27:51

phone reception. Entering into New Hampshire,

27:54

entering into the White Mountain region, there was a

27:56

hairpin turn. As Tim

27:58

and Lance told us, she goes

28:00

off the road, hits a tree. At

28:03

that point, we think anyway or snowbank.

28:06

Somebody comes along driving a bus and neighbor

28:09

asked if she needs help. She says no. Ten

28:11

minutes later, probably nineteen

28:13

minutes later, police show up. She's

28:16

gone. That sounds so

28:18

staged to me, guys, and

28:21

yeah, it does, it does. It does seem very

28:24

staged. But that means that there's

28:26

that means that there's somebody else involved that

28:28

if it's staged. Do you mean it sounds like

28:31

she staged the accident, Yeah, kind

28:33

of. It does kind of sound that way,

28:35

Yeah, But no one has talked about

28:37

it. Her friends have supposedly

28:40

talked to police, her

28:42

family has supposedly talked

28:44

to police. Um enough to wear

28:46

there they're satisfied they weren't

28:49

involved in helping her get away. And if I and

28:51

I just I find it really hard to believe that she would

28:53

pick that area to stage an accident. It's

28:56

it's it is a it is a remote area, but it's

28:59

not as remote as people think it's. It's one

29:01

of the only places on Rue one twelve

29:03

that has homes pretty much immediately

29:06

in the vicinity she she would

29:08

have she would have staged an accident directly across

29:10

the street from somebody's home. And if

29:12

she was planning on doing a staged accident, I

29:14

just don't Yeah, you know what, you're right, why would

29:17

she leave um all

29:19

of her stuff, including diamond

29:21

jewelry in the vehicle?

29:24

Right? The things that she took with her are what I've

29:26

been like calling in my

29:28

own head just to make sense, like immediate things. If

29:30

I'm if I think I'm coming back to some place,

29:33

if I'm on a trip and I take the things that I need

29:35

for a few days, but I need to take off real

29:37

quick, and I plan on coming back, I'm taking keys,

29:40

wallet, and cell phone, and and that's

29:42

what she took locked the car, keys,

29:44

wallet, and cell phone. Um have never been

29:46

recovered. So it doesn't seem unless

29:49

she's unless she's a criminal mastermind, it doesn't

29:51

see. What about the contract or eight to

29:53

eight thirty, a contractor returning

29:55

home says, he said a

29:57

young person moving quickly

29:59

on foot on Route one twelve

30:02

that was around four to five miles

30:04

east of where her vehicle

30:06

was discovered. Now that

30:09

person wearing Jane's a coat

30:11

and a light colored hood, what

30:13

about that? Yeah? Do you do you want to know

30:15

my real feelings on that? Or maybe let

30:18

him go with it and I'll jump in. Well,

30:22

yeah, I think that that account is pretty suspicious,

30:24

um because he didn't

30:26

tell that to police. He told that to a neighbor

30:29

of his, and the neighbor told

30:31

police, and then he

30:33

was questioned after that, and his

30:36

property was searched. Pretty good,

30:38

well, pretty pretty good after he left.

30:40

He actually wouldn't allow police on his property,

30:43

and he was living in his trailer

30:46

at the time. He was building a house on

30:48

that same property. He sold his trailer,

30:50

and as soon as the trailer left, his property

30:52

was pulled over by police and searched. And

30:55

as soon as he sold his property as house,

30:57

that property was searched

30:59

by police as well. Right and to both

31:02

came up at both searches came up empty.

31:04

Guys White a minute, though, isn't that

31:06

what Mora was wearing a

31:08

dark coat? James, Yeah, but

31:10

that that information had been out there for for

31:13

a while. He he could have known that by

31:15

reading the paper he lived. He lived

31:17

right across from butch Atwood. He lived within

31:19

a hundred yards of the accident scene and

31:21

where he put mourra is at

31:24

the area where But

31:26

if you think he's lying, why would he lie?

31:30

I'm not sure if he had something else hide,

31:33

I'm not I'm not sure why he likes why

31:35

get involved at all? I

31:38

think because he lived so close to the scene and he's

31:40

a peculiar guy. Why

31:42

do you say that? By all accounts, By

31:45

all accounts, we've heard from a lot of locals in the area,

31:47

and people that that knew him and know him.

31:50

Um, he's very very strange, fellow.

31:53

Strange in what way? What do you mean by

31:55

that? Strange towards women? Um?

31:59

Just kind of awkward. Can

32:02

I ask you what man is not? When

32:07

you say awkward? Does he have a criminal record? That's

32:09

what I want to know. I don't believe

32:11

so married divorced?

32:15

He was married. He was divorced

32:17

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32:19

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33:09

me this. Where does it stand? Now?

33:11

What does the family

33:13

think?

33:16

The Murray family, I

33:20

think they're not exactly sure what to

33:22

think, but I think they think that contractor

33:24

is still a pretty good suspect

33:26

and as far as we know, he was and

33:29

still is law enforcements real only

33:31

person of interest. Now, you know, there's

33:34

a theory floating around that she

33:36

took off and is living in

33:38

Quebec. Have you heard that theory?

33:41

Yeah? Yeah, we went. We went to that

33:43

Canada. Um,

33:45

it's a it's with missing missing

33:47

flyers and everything. It's a it's

33:50

a it's a romantic theory. But the

33:52

more we looked into it, the more it's just not likely

33:54

that someone could cross the border.

33:57

Um. The border restrictions had

33:59

tightened up since since two thousand one,

34:01

so to across the border. Everyone

34:04

everyone uses her. Are you serious? You don't

34:06

think you can cross the Canadian border. I

34:08

don't think you could cross the Canadian border, get a

34:10

job, and remain under the radar

34:13

in Canada for thirteen years now,

34:15

I don't think you could get a job stand to the radar

34:17

that. I think you can easily get across

34:19

the border. But what why

34:22

was she asked to leave West Point? She

34:26

shop? Yeah,

34:30

she wasn't asked to still some makeup from from

34:33

a gift shop. Guys, I'm sorry. I

34:35

know shoplifting is wrong. I know that,

34:38

but I'm so used to prosecuting you know, murderers,

34:41

rape s, aggravated assaults, armed robberies,

34:43

torture, dope dealers.

34:45

That a shoplifting like a just

34:48

I'm not happy about it. But so

34:51

I know that broke her father's heart by all

34:53

accounts correct. Yeah,

34:55

I think it's safe to say that he wasn't um wasn't

34:58

pleased with that. But there are

35:00

some some theories out there that

35:02

she might have wanted to get caught. She might

35:04

not have wanted to be there, and that was a way

35:06

of her rebelling against

35:08

it and and leaving. I

35:11

know that the father was upset about her crushing

35:13

the car. Do we know anything else about that

35:16

other than what he said, which is he was upset,

35:19

but it was the way any parent would

35:21

be upset. And they

35:23

had talked about it the next day and told

35:25

her that, um, you know, they discussed

35:27

getting the proper insurance paperwork which she

35:29

had on her that we know, um,

35:32

and they were going to they were going to take care of it.

35:34

It really, it really doesn't seem

35:36

like anything more, according to the family, than she

35:39

got into the accident. The family, the father

35:41

was upset, but they were

35:43

figuring out a way to fix it. So

35:45

they have a big blowout the night before over

35:48

his crash car. The next day

35:50

she crashes her car and

35:52

leaves never seen again. I'm

35:55

not we're not entirely sure that they had like a big

35:57

blowout. That's that's been put there, that's been

35:59

put online, and that's that's

36:01

something that no one can tell us for sure.

36:03

They probably got an argument, I'm guessing, but

36:06

that's just I guess. I'm just you know, trying

36:09

to trying to not make it into something that it probably

36:11

you know, might you might be right, you might be right.

36:14

But the timing they have the argument

36:16

over her totaling his car, and

36:18

the next day she disappears for good. Is

36:21

that right? Yes? Yes, Because

36:23

the accident, that accident happened Saturday

36:25

into Sunday, you know, early morning, and

36:28

then Sunday they discussed it and then yeah,

36:30

that's correct. Boy, that cousin

36:33

really thinks she's living in Quebec

36:35

and just took off and left and never came back.

36:37

That she stayed the accident, went down the street, met her

36:39

boyfriend and he picked her up her new boyfriend.

36:42

That that could be. That could be the case. But from

36:44

everything we've looked into on on Mora, she

36:46

wasn't a perfect young woman, but

36:49

she got along with her her dad. Her

36:51

dad and her were buddies. They they went on camping

36:53

trips, they hiked. They didn't

36:55

have, as far as we know, a dysfunctional

36:57

relationship. And it just doesn't

37:00

seem like it's in her character. From

37:02

what we've looked into, it doesn't seem like it's in her character

37:04

to um to to disappear from him

37:06

for thirteen years and put him through this. Well.

37:08

Yeah, that's the confusing thing is what what

37:11

was happening in her life that was so big that would make her

37:13

want to run away from We've never found anything for

37:15

thirteen plus years, guys. Let's

37:17

put the tip line out there for anyone having

37:19

information. Ohmura Murray, tim

37:21

Lance, do you have that number for me? Yes? The

37:24

new Hampshire State Police number is six oh

37:26

three to two three three

37:28

eight six zero. Yes, that is

37:30

the best thing to do if you have any information on

37:32

Mora is to call the state Police. I

37:35

know the first instinct is to contact Tim

37:37

and I, but we turn around and we

37:39

uh, we contact the proper law enforcement

37:42

guys. The search for more Murray goes on.

37:44

Nancy Grace with Crime Stories, signing

37:47

off goodbye friend.