0:05

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a

0:13

gorgeous thirty three year old

0:15

mom seemingly vanishes.

0:19

Grammy surveillance video emerges

0:22

of her at a red light. But

0:25

is that her in her

0:27

own car? Because

0:29

I don't think so. Crime

0:38

Stories with Nancy Grace. Parker

0:44

was last seen around two pm Thursday,

0:47

dropping her kids off at Smith's

0:49

home. At about four pm, her

0:51

brother received a short text from her, but

0:53

she never showed up for her six pm bartending

0:55

shift. Her iPhone last pined

0:58

at a cell phone tower at eight pm, then

1:01

total silence. At this point

1:03

for eleven year old calls his grandmother von

1:06

Stewart to ask where's mom?

1:08

And her son called, said his mom

1:10

at the salon or like no, honey, she

1:12

went to drop off the babies. She should

1:14

be home, She should be taking a natch. Lyon

1:17

seen her since said home from school.

1:19

On Friday, police found her black Hummer

1:21

near in Orlando Mall she rarely visited,

1:24

and on Sunday they searched her ex fiancee's

1:26

home at the nearby field

1:29

as she ever disappeared before

1:31

called or taking a few hours just to

1:33

see by herself. Parker's

1:36

mother, von Stewart, has been desperately

1:38

searching for her daughter for four days

1:40

now. I can only imagine what

1:42

Miss Stewart has been through with me an all

1:45

star panel to break it down

1:47

and put it back together again, analyzing clues

1:50

I believe have been left behind. You

1:52

were just hearing our friend Matt Gutman

1:54

and ABC need has been joining me right now,

1:56

John Deal, personal injury

1:58

lawyer out of or Orlando who

2:01

is on Michelle Parker's family legal

2:03

team as they try their best

2:06

to find clues regarding the young mom's

2:08

disappearance. Also with me. Doctor Bethany

2:11

Marshall, psychoanalyst to the Stars,

2:13

joining us out of Beverly Hills. You

2:15

can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall

2:17

dot com. She's a star of a new Netflix

2:19

show, Bling Empire, the

2:22

founder and director of the Cold Case Research Instance.

2:24

You're joining me Cheryl McCullum, and

2:27

you can find her at Cold Case

2:29

Crimes dot org.

2:32

But first to Bianca Prieto,

2:35

former Orlando Sentinel crime

2:37

and justice reporter, and you

2:39

can find her on Insta at

2:41

Bianca Prieto. Bianca,

2:43

thank you for being with us. I want you to listen

2:45

to one more bit of

2:48

Sam. This is from Jennifer bus rom

2:50

Fox thirty five per spent the day on

2:52

foot, handing out Flyer's family and clothes,

2:54

friends, walking from miles, checking every

2:56

corner for Michelle, every dumpster. You're

2:59

like, oh, y'all, I hope

3:01

you're not in here. Maybe I hope

3:03

you're not in here. And you get up and you crawl

3:05

on top of stuff and you look and you're like, Okay,

3:08

this one's laminated if you're not here. Brothers

3:10

Bret and Dustin staying strong for their

3:12

sister, so you're not used to every day you

3:16

don't want to wake up and figure it'll

3:18

be your sister. You'll be going

3:20

to look for It's

3:22

just hurts using maps and driving

3:24

these ATVs around. They've been turning everything

3:27

they find over to investigators. We

3:29

found a lot of possible things today

3:32

and nothing. I mean, it's all got to get

3:34

tested and stuff like that, so we can't or

3:37

we can't say what's what? Can you even imagine

3:39

that? Just pause for a moment,

3:41

because I recall it the District Attorney's

3:44

office, when we would get literally hundreds of new

3:46

cases every X number of days, all

3:49

felonies, all serious. You'd

3:53

have to go through them like a

3:55

machine to try to

3:57

keep going and move the case load. But

4:00

if, for instance, when I would be driving

4:02

home from work, I would actually

4:04

let the facts of a case seep

4:07

in, and it

4:09

would be very, very upsetting.

4:12

Cheryl McCollum, you were

4:14

with me in the trenches fighting crime,

4:16

like literally twenty

4:18

four seven, three sixty five. And wouldn't

4:22

you hear this family? The

4:25

mom's saying, oh oh, as she's searching

4:27

a dumpster. Baby, please don't be in this

4:29

dumpster. Please don't be in this dumpster. It's

4:32

just all gut wrenching. That's

4:34

tough, it's awful, and you

4:36

know, just the idea of where

4:38

she's having to search and what she's

4:41

actually searching for, you

4:43

know, her child, and even

4:45

though she's a grown woman and had children of her own,

4:48

that's her baby and she is

4:50

literally crawling in a dumpster

4:53

and praying she's not there. To Ray Kaputo,

4:56

lead news anchor Orlando Morning

4:58

News at w BO,

5:02

Michelle, she was last seeing Thursday,

5:04

November seventies, so that's a week before

5:07

Thanksgiving, and she dropped

5:09

off for her twins and she seemingly vanishes.

5:11

So over the weekend. I remember that flyers

5:13

now are starting to be put

5:15

out. I think they said about twenty thousand

5:18

flyers. I remember to seeing these flyers everywhere.

5:21

So this all took place Michelle

5:23

and missing just only months after the Casey

5:25

Anthony trial had wrapped up, and fliers

5:27

are now over the weekend all around Orlando,

5:30

and the case very early on is attracting

5:32

a lot of media attention. So it's

5:35

the Monday before Thanksgiving them Michelle

5:37

has been missing five days. It's a beautiful

5:40

fall Orlando day, in the temperatures

5:42

in the eighties, and I was reporting

5:44

for w DBO in Orlando. So there

5:46

was a staging area south

5:49

of downtown. It's in the parking lot

5:51

near a lake Conway, and that was where Michelle's

5:54

phone had last picked. So that's where people

5:56

were searching. And there were several dozen volunteers

5:58

or friends, family, they were even complete

6:01

strangers. And when I got to the

6:03

staging area in Auntie, I remember that

6:05

it wasn't a sullen scene. It

6:08

was kind of people were active.

6:10

It was it all hands on deck approach. There

6:12

was a TVs, there were caters, there

6:14

was water. You know, people were going about

6:16

their business and you know, I think back

6:18

that Michelle, the way she was described

6:21

was a bartender. She was really gregarious,

6:23

and she had such a big spirit. At

6:26

that moment, not a person there didn't

6:28

think that she was gonna not be found

6:30

alive or not becoming home pretty soon. So

6:32

it was it all hands on deck approach. And I

6:35

get to the stage area and I try to find someone

6:37

to talk to, and I reverently walked up to

6:40

Yvonne Stewart, that's Michelle's

6:42

mom, and she was a

6:45

roller coaster of emotion and she

6:47

was at that point she was adamant that Michelle

6:50

was alive, and then we were going to talk about her.

6:52

So we go into the RV and

6:54

she starts telling me about Michelle and how great

6:56

of a mom she was. She had She

6:58

had a couple of twins and eleven year old

7:00

and they just adored their mommy and they

7:03

had a tight little family unit. And

7:05

Nancy. She also talked about how well known

7:07

and well liked Michelle

7:09

was. She tended bar, she had a natural talent

7:11

for talking to people. You know, again,

7:14

just a lot of laughing and a lot of crying, and

7:17

you know, I just remembered that moment. Yvonne didn't

7:19

believe the worst. She was holding out hope. Actually

7:21

Bianca Prieto formerly

7:24

Orlando Sentinel criminal and justice

7:26

reporter beyont let's start at the

7:29

beginning. Tell me when we

7:31

first realize she's

7:34

often called People's Court Mom, and we're about

7:36

to find out why Michelle Parker is

7:38

missing. So Michelle never

7:40

went home after dropping off her twins with

7:43

their father. When her son

7:45

got home from school, mom was

7:47

gone, he'd go and wipe the heck. And coincidentally,

7:50

that day, Michelle and her ex

7:52

fiance had been on an

7:54

episode of the People's Court arguing

7:57

over a five thousand dollars engagement ring.

8:00

That's an expensive ring. So the

8:03

alarm was first raised by the eleven year old.

8:05

Such, she's got the eleven year old. Then she's

8:07

got two taught twins

8:11

trying to take in the eleven year old

8:13

getting home and Mommy's not

8:15

there. Can't find mommy, no message,

8:17

no voice, no all know nothing. Where

8:20

is mommy? Who is a mommy? Who

8:22

is Michelle Parker? Take a listen

8:24

to our friends at crime online dot com. Michelle

8:27

Parker is no stranger to hard work. It's

8:29

not easy to juggle multiple jobs in a

8:31

family. This thirty three year old beauty

8:33

is a mom of three, a bartender and entrepreneur

8:35

and a student. Not only did she pour drinks

8:38

at one of the most popular bars in Sanford, Florida,

8:40

The Barn, she also ran a tanning

8:42

business, using her suv as a mobile

8:44

billboard, a vehicle wrap with glow

8:47

mobile airbrush tanning salon clearly

8:49

visible down the side. On top

8:51

of this, she was studying in cosmetology,

8:53

working on getting her license to work alongside

8:56

her mother in the family salon. Wow,

8:59

she's got her plate full. I could just see

9:01

her are driving along in that hummer with a glow

9:03

mobile airbrush tanning salon

9:06

wrapped around it, which turns

9:09

out to be a critical fact in this case. Let's

9:11

listen to more from crime Online about

9:13

who is Michelle

9:15

Parker. Ask Michelle Parker's family

9:17

and friends and they will tell you her

9:19

good looks turned heads. Her

9:21

friends will also tell you that she has an amazing

9:24

personality and a big heart. It

9:26

was that combination her dark hair and bright

9:28

white smile and big heart they caught the

9:30

attention of Dale Smith, a former marine.

9:33

The couple plans alive together. Smith

9:35

pops the question with a five thousand dollar

9:37

engagement ring. The couple also

9:39

have three year old twins five thousand

9:42

dollars for an engagement ring. What

9:44

the hay happened? Take a listen to hl

9:47

In. Michelle Parker has like a lot of

9:49

women that you see around here in Orlando, she

9:51

had these big dreams. She had these big plans,

9:54

and she was making steps to make

9:56

her dreams come true. Michelle was just a

9:58

hard working single mother of She

10:00

had two jobs. She was far attended night She

10:02

also had a tanning business, which she advertised

10:05

the decals on her armor. She was also going

10:07

to cosmetology school. She wanted to make

10:09

a better life for herself and also her

10:11

three kids. She weren't hard, She loved

10:14

her kids. She was an awesome mom.

10:16

Those kids are so well taken care of. If

10:18

you look at her photos, you can tell the cosmetology

10:21

wasn't important to her. She was always made always

10:23

had her nail side, who always had her hair done

10:25

right, and she was in school to get the license and the

10:27

certification to one day work for her mother

10:30

and the salon. I'm

10:32

recognizing the voice of Steve Helling

10:34

from people dot com. So how

10:36

does she go missing? We know the eleven

10:39

year old comes home, no mommy

10:41

there, and that is very, very jarring

10:43

for children, Doctor Bethany Marshall. I can

10:46

only imagine even when their dad

10:48

picks them up as opposed to me, and they

10:50

pick up line at school, the twins are like,

10:52

what's going on? The least little

10:55

thing off routine can

10:57

be very upsetting for children, Doctor

10:59

Bethany and Nancy. It sticks in their mind.

11:01

You have no idea how many adult

11:04

patients in my clinical practice, some

11:06

of them captains of the industry, very

11:09

successful lives, will recount

11:11

in therapy a time that the

11:14

parent was late to pick them up for school,

11:17

a time when they came home and the parent wasn't

11:19

there. These things stick in the child's mind.

11:21

That's because Nancy,

11:23

the parents serve as a background,

11:26

comforting presence for the child. What makes

11:29

children feel safe enough to go out into

11:31

the world is that their parents are waiting

11:33

for them somewhere, that the

11:35

parents are predictability predictable.

11:38

So when that pattern breaks,

11:41

it steers into the child's

11:43

memory. If you ask a child

11:46

about did mommy forget to pick

11:48

you up? Where you left waiting at

11:50

school, You've got to believe they're telling

11:52

the truth because they will remember

12:06

crime stories with Nancy Grace, so

12:11

let's go back when she

12:14

goes missing and the search is

12:16

on. Take a listen to our friends

12:19

at Fox Knees. A search

12:21

is underway in Florida for a young mother who

12:23

disappeared the same day at her

12:25

case Aaron the TV show at the People's

12:27

Court. Her name is Michelle Parker, mother

12:29

of three, has not been seen since Thursday,

12:32

she and her ex Beyonce, appearing on

12:34

that show in a heated dispute over

12:36

a five thousand dollars engagement ring.

12:39

Now her sister speaking out on Fox

12:41

and Friends a bit earlier today, it's definitely a fact

12:43

that she went missing the same day of whether

12:45

or not it's a coincidence, I don't know. I don't

12:47

know if somebody saw her on TV and thought,

12:49

hey, she's beautiful and what

12:51

they do and you know, figured out where she was at

12:54

or something. I really don't

12:56

know. Yeah, and she is a beautiful

12:59

and more important and being physically beautiful,

13:01

beautiful on the inside too. I mean, this woman

13:04

works like a maniac an, raises

13:07

children and goes to school.

13:10

So what is this about

13:12

the People's Court? Take a listen to

13:14

Matt Gutman ABC. This

13:17

is it seemed like

13:20

a typical episode of the People's Court.

13:22

He gets pretty malicious and vindictive, and

13:24

he's a mean person, especially when he's been drinking.

13:27

Thirty three year old Michelle Lee Parker and

13:29

her ex fiance Dale Smith bickering

13:32

over an engagement ring thrown out of

13:34

a balcony, and then he said that he wanted his

13:36

ring, so I took it off. Can

13:39

I throw it out him? But away from the camera,

13:41

even their mundane domestic arguments

13:43

tended to turn violent as

13:46

he grabbed and turned around. He was holding on to

13:48

me, screaming at me, pointing back after the stage,

13:50

going get on that backup and stage. You know.

13:53

Just three hours after this episode of The People's

13:56

Court finally aired last Thursday,

13:58

Parker vanished, but was from disappearance

14:01

it really foreshadow or was

14:03

it an uncanny coincidence? Thinking

14:05

this through? So they had take let me go to

14:07

John W. Dial NW, a

14:10

PI lawyer joining us out of Orlando

14:12

who is part of the Parker's legal

14:14

team. You can find him at John W.

14:17

Deal dot com. John

14:20

the People's Court episode

14:24

was filmed in advance

14:26

of the day she goes missing, but it

14:29

airs the day she goes

14:31

missing, right, correct, correct,

14:33

and the word coincidence has been

14:35

bandied about, but you

14:38

go, it's pretty clear there's no coincidence.

14:40

I missed one. You know, John Dill. You and

14:42

I've taught many many times. John

14:45

not only is a high profile personal

14:47

injury lawyer, but has a brilliant legal mind.

14:51

I've always said there's no coincidence in

14:53

criminal law, and then right when I say that there

14:55

is a coincidence, what

14:58

happened on that episode.

15:01

Take a listen to our friends at ABC kind

15:04

of smashing my camera on the ground because I

15:06

was a little angry and I didn't want to. Smith

15:09

is the father of their three year old twins. It's

15:11

been a hell of

15:14

a roller coaster ride, and it's poison, something

15:16

Parker knew for years. In two thousand

15:18

and nine, she filed and was granted

15:20

a restraining order against Smith. Parker

15:22

claims, you quote natch the passenger side

15:25

when my suv took car

15:27

seat out and threw them into the road.

15:29

His Facebook page lists his education

15:32

is having quote studied death, destruction,

15:34

terror and mayhem at the US Marine

15:37

Corps. But Orlando Police a Smith

15:39

is not a suspect, and that he has so far

15:41

cooperative with investigators. We're

15:44

not looking at him, We're looking

15:46

at everything. I

15:48

don't think the Marine Corps would be very

15:50

proud of this moment when one

15:52

of their own says they studied death, destruction

15:55

and mayhem.

15:58

You know, doctor Bethany Marshall. Of

16:01

course, I have crime

16:03

related stories on everything regarding

16:05

social media, but

16:08

there are also a lot of pictures of the twins

16:10

of the dog Fat Boy, the cats

16:12

Cinnamon, Abby and Chloe, the guinea

16:14

pigs, Death

16:17

destruction and mayhem. It is his personal

16:20

motto, Nancy, death, destruction

16:24

and mayhem. If a patient came

16:26

into my office through

16:28

those words, I would take them

16:31

very seriously. I mean

16:33

the idea to be that you want to destroy,

16:36

that you want to kill people. That is

16:39

spurious. That means that a person

16:42

putting this on social media is

16:44

in fact homicidal. There's

16:47

no other way to put it. People don't say

16:49

those words for no reason, doctor

16:53

Bethany. Doctor Bethany, I

16:56

put a lot of death and destruction on social

16:58

media when I'm trying to solve cases or put

17:00

them out there draw attention to them.

17:02

I don't think I'm going I don't think I'm homicidal.

17:05

So I'm going to give you a minute to percolate on that,

17:08

Doctor Bethan, not that I j

17:10

D would dare dare

17:13

correct, Doctor Bethany Marshall.

17:17

But before we get too far

17:19

down that rabbit hole, take a listen

17:21

to our friend Asa Diaz

17:24

at WISH too. Michelle Parker's family is

17:26

moving the command post to the Barn

17:28

and Sandford and that's the bar where Parker

17:30

worked as a bartender. Volunteers

17:32

are resuming their search this morning after searching

17:35

canals in South Orlando this weekend.

17:37

That's near the home of PA's fiance,

17:40

Dale Smith. He's staying with his parents right now.

17:42

He has not been arrested, but he has

17:44

been named the prime suspect and

17:46

Parker's just It has been

17:48

two and a half weeks now since Parker was last

17:51

seen. Her loved ones held a fondraiser

17:53

Saturday night. They sold t shirts to raise money

17:56

for Parker's three children. Straight

17:58

back at to Bianca Prieto Or sent

18:00

in a little Crime and Justice reporter at the time, Bianca,

18:03

thank you again for being with us. Let's talk about

18:06

she goes missing last

18:08

saying dropping her children off at the fiance's

18:10

home so she could go to work.

18:13

Where was she going to work? That night, Nancy,

18:15

she was actually headed to work at the

18:17

Barn, which is a really popular bar up

18:20

in Sanford, north of Orlando,

18:22

probably about twenty twenty five miles north of where

18:25

her ex fiance lived, and

18:27

she never showed up. So John

18:30

W. De let me understand something. She was later

18:32

seen on granny surveillance video. At least

18:34

her hummer was.

18:36

Wasn't where she was? Where

18:38

her hummer was? I think it was at a red light?

18:41

Correct? Wasn't that in the opposite

18:44

direction. Let me try

18:46

to articulate this a little bit better. So let's

18:48

just say A is

18:51

where she spotted her

18:54

car is spotted at red light. B's

18:56

where fiance is where she dropped the children.

19:00

C is the barn where she was going

19:02

to work that night. Correct, So

19:04

from B to C is a straight shot. But A

19:06

was in a completely different direction. Correct, That's

19:08

right. She was her and again

19:11

her job was

19:13

well north of town. Again, about twenty twenty

19:16

five minutes her vehicle

19:18

after she doesn't show up at work, which

19:20

is out of the ordinary for her. She was very

19:22

responsible about showing up her

19:24

vehicles scene closer

19:27

down to where her fiance's places,

19:29

where her kids were dropped off. And

19:32

then ultimately where a car is found is not

19:34

far from that area, which is near the Millennium

19:36

Mall, which is again in the opposite

19:39

direction of where she was headed

19:41

and had always added to and had gone to work.

19:43

So she's she's

19:46

not where she's supposed to be if she's in the car at

19:48

that time, and that there's

19:50

communication is broken down in

19:52

between time, and nobody knows where she's

19:55

or she is. Well, you know, Cheryl McCollum, before everybody

19:57

points the finger at the boyfriend, the fiance,

20:00

the father of the twins, let's just

20:02

hold on, hold on. You

20:05

can't narrow it down immediately,

20:07

although you've got to investigate him based on statistics

20:10

alone. Cheryl I investigated

20:13

a case out

20:15

in California where a nurse got

20:17

off the night shift and was

20:19

in her truck on the way home and

20:21

went missing. The case goes

20:24

cold until, believe

20:26

it or not, a woman, not

20:29

a psychic, a woman with a regular

20:32

job, has some kind of a vision

20:35

of a body being out in a canyon,

20:38

and she's so nothing like this has ever happened

20:40

to her. Before she gets her family

20:42

to go with her, and they go driving through

20:45

the canyon and they see something

20:47

white. It's her in her nurse's outfit.

20:50

Well, the police arrest her because

20:52

of course I don't believe in psychics. She

20:55

won a big settlement

20:57

against the LAPD. I think it was when

21:00

the true killers are found. And guess what

21:03

she the nurse had been at a red light

21:06

late at night, getting off for it from the hospital,

21:09

and these guys drive up, they start

21:12

saying stuff to her, trying to talk to her.

21:14

They kidnap her, raper and kill her

21:16

and dumper in the canyon. That's what

21:18

happened. So before we

21:21

charge down the avenue of the

21:23

fiance, you have

21:25

to look at everything you do,

21:27

and you get a miss some purse case,

21:30

Nancy. One of the first things you should do is start

21:32

working backwards, meaning

21:34

what did they search on their computer?

21:37

What kind of withdrawals did they make

21:39

on their debit card or bank cards? What

21:42

kind of purchases, what kind of phone calls, what kind

21:44

of messages did they break

21:47

habit or routine? Those

21:49

are the things you're gonna want to know because if somebody says,

21:51

well she probably ran off, well you need money

21:53

to do that, and she dumped her vehicle,

21:56

so how did she leave? Rolled

21:58

on right there? I'm gonna pick up right back up

22:00

with you. But John deal, why do

22:02

women always face the same stereotype

22:04

when a woman goes missing. And Cheryl mccollms

22:06

the one that brought it up, but it's legitimate,

22:09

you do have to look at it. But it's always she ran off to get

22:11

shucked up with her boyfriend. That

22:13

could not be further from the truth. And Michelle Parker's

22:16

case absolutely, I mean she has

22:18

obviously it all starts when she's

22:20

supposed to pick up her son from the bus stop,

22:22

the eleven year old, and she's not there, way

22:25

out of the ordinary. Nobody can actually

22:27

speak to her. That is totally

22:29

out of the ordinary. She would not be the type and there's

22:32

nothing in her personality to be flighty

22:34

to disappear, to not be where she's supposed

22:36

to be. Again, she has twins, and you

22:38

know, you know how much work Zad

22:41

takes. She's not all of a sudden checking

22:43

out and disappearing. This is absolutely out

22:45

of character. If she were to disappear,

22:48

and like Lexman said, it ends

22:50

up she doesn't have her car or her cell phone, and

22:53

it would it would be impossible for her.

22:55

And that's just picked up the left

22:57

pick up Cheryl and an. So that was my point.

22:59

She broke habit, she broke routine,

23:01

and that should be a flag. And the reason

23:03

you want to look at those things is because when you talk

23:06

to somebody like her ex, if he were

23:08

to say, oh, I bet she just ran off with some man,

23:10

you already know that can't be possible. She

23:12

has no money, she has no vehicle, she hasn't

23:15

researched anything, she hasn't used

23:17

a bank card, she hasn't gotten a hotel room,

23:20

she hadn't got an airline ticket. Why

23:22

would he say that. So again,

23:24

you want all aspects of this thing looked

23:27

at, so that when you go and talk

23:29

to the pertinent people, you already

23:31

have a good idea. If somebody says, well, maybe

23:33

she was kidnapped, she had been ransomed,

23:36

like, none of these things are going to pan out. So

23:39

you basically have a dual investigation. You

23:41

are working a missing person, but unfortunately

23:44

you're also working a homicide simultaney.

24:00

Time Stories with Nancy Grace Bianca

24:04

Prieto. I'm very focused on

24:06

the siding on that grainy surveillance video

24:09

of Michelle Parker's vehicle.

24:12

Was the rap, the glowtan

24:15

rap taken off of it at that

24:17

time. It's really interesting because the last

24:19

time anybody saw Michelle Parker, that decal

24:22

was on the back of her vehicle. And at that red

24:24

light camera when they spotted her hummer, the

24:26

decals were completely gone.

24:29

They've been taken off on purpose. Bianca was

24:31

pretty big, wasn't it. The decals.

24:34

Oh, the decals covered the entire back

24:36

a windsheld of her vehicle. And you

24:38

know hummers are pretty big. This was a sizeable

24:41

decal on the back of the car that had been removed. And

24:43

what time did the red

24:46

light camp spot her vehicle? The

24:48

red light camera spotted it at night. I'm

24:50

not recalling exactly the time, but I know that it

24:53

was. It was dark, and it was the day that

24:55

she went missing. It was the same day that she

24:57

went missing. And the red light camera

24:59

that spotted her vehicle without the decals

25:02

was on the complete opposite side of

25:04

town, the opposite direction of

25:06

where she should have been headed to go to work. But

25:08

it was in a straight shot from where

25:10

she had last been seen. I'm just trying to

25:13

take all of this in. And what time

25:15

does she drop the children at the fiances

25:17

she had dropped off the twins in the afternoon.

25:20

I think it was like around two o'clock something

25:22

like that. It was in the afternoon during the daytime.

25:25

No one heard from her, and then all of a sudden,

25:29

that's correct, she dropped the twins off.

25:31

And keep in mind, this is before her son is

25:34

to be picked up at the

25:36

bus stop. So she drops the twins

25:38

off at the fiancee's house, doesn't

25:41

show up to pick up her son,

25:44

her eleven year old. At the bus stop. He

25:46

makes the call to to Avon her

25:48

mother and who automatically

25:50

he gets a sense of dread that something

25:53

is wrong and has happened, and they start

25:55

trying to reach her at that point in time. So,

25:58

now let me understand, John w deal joining

26:00

me out of Orlando. She

26:03

drops the twins off, and

26:05

then then it's when she's supposed

26:07

to go pick up her so at the bus stop. That's great.

26:09

So between say two o'clock

26:12

PM and when this photo,

26:15

this red light photo grabs the

26:17

image of her vehicle. That's

26:21

not her in the vehicle. I don't think that's her,

26:23

do you, John, No, No, I don't.

26:25

But for many reasons, One, why

26:28

would she take off, why would she

26:30

be in that area. First of all, when she's supposed to be at work.

26:32

There's no reason for her to be down there. Her

26:34

family's and picking up her son, yeah

26:37

and her Yeah, exactly. She hasn't picked up her son.

26:39

Family has tried to reach her. They texted

26:42

her and she there's a cryptic one word answer

26:45

because they asked her where are you? And she takes text

26:48

back Waterford, which is another

26:50

area of town, not too far but

26:52

certainly not up to Sanford. And

26:55

she's not the type to just give a one word text

26:58

answer, and then she would

27:00

never that's a big indicator.

27:02

John W Deal, I'm so glad you

27:04

brought that up. Cheryl will call him if you notice

27:07

that when somebody is texting for

27:09

you, Like sometimes I'll be driving

27:11

and I'll give the phone to John David because Lucy refuses

27:14

to send a text from me. And

27:16

even if I dictated, it comes out all crazy.

27:19

And you know, because he'll type

27:21

in full sentences, which I never ever

27:24

do. I'd like to abbreviate

27:26

everything, which leads to a lot of misspellings

27:29

and very unusual spell corrections.

27:31

But you can tell that's

27:33

not me. You can tell my same

27:35

thing here. My kids wouldn't played golf

27:37

yesterday, and Hug was responding

27:39

to Caroline's phone for her,

27:42

and I knew immediately it was him and not her immediately,

27:45

So yes, you can tell. And her

27:47

family she was known, of course,

27:50

vivacious and fun. She would

27:52

leave text messages that were paragraphs,

27:55

so for her just to put one word and

27:57

then not to return in

27:59

order to get her child was completely

28:02

uncharacteristic. And again about

28:04

three flags in one. You know, Cheryl McCollum,

28:06

you really need to be an investigator

28:09

and do something like found

28:11

the Cold Case Research Institute because you're really

28:13

good. Is that daughter Bethany jumping in? Cheryl

28:16

is so good. I hate to even follow her in

28:18

terms of commentary, but I will just say, Nancy,

28:21

you have the most unique text of anybody

28:23

I've ever met. Your texts are unmistakable.

28:26

You can condense an entire paragraph

28:29

into three alphabet letters and letters

28:31

of the alphabet. I think that's because you did. You're

28:34

doing TV for so many years, you're

28:36

talking on set, you're texting,

28:38

you're running the entire show, so nobody

28:40

could ever steal your phone and text for you

28:42

if you Obviously, I'm going to say

28:44

the back I think it's actually because

28:46

of the District Attorney's Office, Doctor Bethany. When

28:49

I first started, I would answer the phone, good

28:52

morning, Fulton County District Attorney's

28:54

Office. This is Assistant distct Attorney Nancy

28:56

Grace. By the time I was beat down teen years

28:58

later, I picked fun up and go da,

29:03

that's what happens. But what do you

29:05

make of this, doctor Bethany, I think it's very critical.

29:08

Nancy, Well, I'm

29:10

gonna say I'm just gonna say the

29:12

whole, big picture, the whole background

29:15

is important to this. Remember she

29:17

was on the People's Court that day. I

29:19

know we're looking at all the

29:21

micro permutations of the

29:23

text. Didn't sound like her. She was the wrong

29:25

part of pound. She didn't pick

29:28

up the eleven year old critical, dropped off

29:30

the three year old twins critical.

29:32

All of this is critical, But

29:34

let's remember that she was on

29:36

a television show that day,

29:39

very unusual for a lay person

29:42

who's never been on TV, and

29:44

that could have built up a whole

29:46

head of steam somewhere in

29:49

her life, either on the set, either

29:51

with her fiance Dale Smith, people

29:53

she met on the set, people on the bar

29:56

in the bar who knew she was going this

29:59

was a bad her day

30:01

for her, and we have to just see

30:03

that as a backdrop

30:05

to all these wonderful clues that

30:08

Cheryl McCollum is telling us about. Kape,

30:11

a lady news anchor Orlando Morning

30:13

News at w d BOY.

30:17

The two had been on the episode of The People's Coordinate

30:19

Error the same baby Michelle went missing, So the timing

30:21

was really really suspicious,

30:25

and Dell to this day denies he had anything

30:27

to do with Michelle's disappearance. But I think that

30:29

you know, Yvon's stance on all this has

30:31

changed with the time. She seemed

30:33

to kind of take Dell's story at

30:36

face value, and Nancy

30:38

in terms of who could have had Michelle, she

30:41

was postulated could have been a complete stranger

30:43

or someone that had come to the bar and maybe

30:45

was transfixed on her. So she certainly

30:48

wasn't pointing the finger at Dall at that time.

30:51

She was just adamant that Michelle was going to be found

30:54

alive. Time

31:05

stories with Nancy Grace Bianca

31:09

Prieta, I want to follow up on what happened

31:12

exactly on the People's Court

31:14

episode. It's very hard for me to disentangle

31:19

or separate that appearance. It happens

31:21

and she goes missing the very same bag. What

31:24

exactly happened? The two were engaged.

31:26

Dale and Michelle were engaged, two married.

31:28

He purchased for her a five thousand

31:30

dollars engagement ring. At

31:33

some point they got into an argument. She tossed

31:35

the ring. Now there's a big fight. They go on to the

31:37

People's Court, and the

31:39

People's Court made Dale look not

31:42

so great. And so the taping

31:44

had actually happened weeks months

31:46

prior to her disappearance. But the

31:48

thing is is that at noon that day the

31:50

People's Court aired their episode

31:53

and within hours of that taping, exceeding

31:56

hours of that airing, Michelle it's

31:59

gone disappeared. We

32:01

don't know much that What do you mean? It made

32:03

him not look too good on the People's

32:06

Court. The Dale and Michelle

32:08

were arguing and Dale was upset

32:10

about the way that he came out looking on it,

32:12

and I think that's um that

32:16

day it was just not a good day for Dale or for

32:18

Michelle. Okay, break it down

32:20

for me, John W. Dale. What what do you what's

32:22

your perception of what happened on People's Court. Well,

32:25

certainly it was a bad experience for

32:27

Michelle to go to the people's court. Is she didn't even

32:29

want to be involved in it and had a bad experience

32:32

on the filming. Uh, the

32:34

way it came out just showed some of the

32:38

bad blood between the two of them, and that, like,

32:41

like Bianca said, it had been aired

32:43

that day. Again, a couple hours

32:46

after it's aired, she's over dropping

32:48

off the children too. The fiance, who obviously

32:51

she is as an extremely strang

32:53

expiance, has an extremely strange

32:55

relationship with So Okay,

33:00

who let me jump in? Yeah, jump

33:02

in? Who won? Who said what?

33:05

Who came out smelling like a rose? And who's stuck

33:07

like a skunk? Okay, trying to hear the

33:09

judge basically said, y'all are going to split the cost

33:11

of the ring. Each one of you is going to pay twenty

33:14

five hundred. What came sounds fair

33:16

to me, It sounds fair. What came out

33:19

was that he's a cheater, that

33:22

he's put his hands on her. So

33:24

again, most men would tell

33:26

you any man who say that that's putting

33:28

perfume on the pig put

33:30

his hands on her

33:32

on the shoulder. No, that's not go

33:34

ahead, that's the truth. But

33:37

that's that's the quote. She used, He should not have

33:39

put his hands on me. So I'm just saying that's one

33:41

of those things that came out that he had been abusive

33:44

to her physically. So again, for a

33:46

man, any man would tell you in

33:48

order, you know, for you to put your hands on a woman,

33:50

you're a punk. You're just a piece of crap. So

33:53

it made him ultimately look

33:55

bad. People weren't even talking about the ring. They

33:57

weren't interested in the ring. They were interested

33:59

in and his treatment of her. And

34:02

you didn't have one affair, you had seven

34:04

with different women, So he probably

34:07

had a few other women mad at him. So a

34:09

lot of dirty laundry was put out

34:11

there so the day, So

34:14

what deal? He had seven

34:16

affairs while they were together, Yes,

34:20

ma'am, and that and several

34:22

affairs, And who would want to sleep with a guy

34:24

that's had seven affairs during the relations

34:26

You might as well just go out and go out and jump in the cesspool

34:29

if you can do that, Okay. I don't

34:32

care about who he's been with or who he dated

34:34

during their relationship. I don't

34:37

care about her throwing the ring

34:39

when he wanted it back. It sounds like an amicable

34:41

settlement. Each one pays for half of it. But

34:44

you know what I always say, when you don't

34:46

know a horse, look at his track

34:49

record. I can hear everybody on the panel rolling

34:52

their eyes, but you tell me if

34:54

I'm wrong, Tyler, please

34:56

run cut twenty two.

34:59

This is little at

35:01

today dot com cut twenty

35:03

two. On September fifteenth of two thousand,

35:05

Shannon was treated at a South Carolina hospital

35:08

for head injuries and Smith was arrested

35:10

for criminal domestic battery. I remember

35:12

when she came home. There was a cut on her head

35:15

and her fate were cut up

35:18

and it was through I

35:21

think it was through some concrete where she had

35:24

been. I don't know if she was dragged or

35:26

what, but her fate were bloody.

35:29

In a military court, Smith was convicted

35:31

of domestic battery and diruct possession

35:33

and was dishonorably discharged from the Marines.

35:36

When Shannon died, Smith was still serving

35:38

time for both charges, and

35:40

that was not the first time he had run ins with

35:42

the law. In nineteen ninety two, Smith

35:44

fled no contest to attempted aggravated

35:46

battery after a fight in Orlando. He was

35:49

given two years probation. In nineteen ninety

35:51

seven, He pleaded guilty to battery charges

35:53

and served jail time. In two thousand

35:55

and nine, Michelle Parker filed a restraining

35:57

order against Dale Smith, which a judge later

36:00

isolved. So we see

36:02

a track record of

36:05

the fiance, Dale Smith Junior. Now

36:08

let me stress for the tenth

36:10

time, he has not been

36:13

arrested in the case

36:15

a Michelle Parker. She is still missing.

36:19

So he has not been arrested, he has not been found

36:21

guilty. He's not been in a court

36:23

of law on this matter. We're

36:26

not in a courtroom right now. We're in a

36:28

TV set to

36:32

Doctor Bethany Marshall. Just

36:35

because he's had acts of violence

36:38

against another woman does not mean

36:40

he's culpable in this case. But

36:43

it does give me a lot of insight.

36:45

What is a malignant narcissist

36:47

you are telling me about that earlier off air. A

36:50

belignant narcissist is a very important

36:52

term in my field. It means that

36:55

this is a narcissist who wants to

36:57

destroy everything

37:00

around him when he feels humiliated.

37:04

So if somebody breaks up with him,

37:06

he wants to destroy her life. If

37:08

you're a boss, a

37:10

CEO of a company and somebody

37:13

humiliates you, you want to fire

37:15

them from their job. It's the person.

37:17

It's like a little kid who's not winning the

37:20

game, so they just smash all the toys and

37:22

you know, walk off the playground.

37:24

It's the adult version of that. In

37:27

fact, Nancy, there's a saying in

37:29

my field about sociopaths

37:31

and narcissist death before

37:34

dishonor homicide

37:36

after humiliation, and what that

37:38

means is that they have a narcissistic

37:41

collapse, meaning they feel ashamed

37:43

and bad about themselves. They

37:45

could be really vulnerable to suicide,

37:47

but if they feel that somebody else

37:49

has humiliated them, they could

37:52

be vulnerable to lashing

37:54

out in very destructive, almost

37:57

even sometimes homicidal ways. Look

38:00

up Prieto, former Orlando Sentinel

38:02

crime and justice reporter Bianca

38:05

the cell phone was ultimately

38:07

found, Where was it and

38:09

what if anything could be

38:11

gleaned from her cell phone?

38:13

Michelle saw which was really

38:16

unique, had a unique case on. It was sound

38:18

tossed over a bridge under

38:20

about three or four feet of water. And if

38:22

you're looking at a map of Orlando, it's a straight

38:24

shot from the area where she

38:26

was last seen dropping off the Twins, direct

38:29

shot into where her car was found,

38:32

so divers recovered that phone

38:34

and they took a look at it. But it's

38:37

interesting where the cell

38:39

phone was actually found. Why do you say

38:41

that it showed the path. It shows

38:43

the path of where she could her

38:46

belongings. I won't say she went, but where

38:48

her belongings went from one end

38:50

of Orlando to the other side. It's

38:53

just a straight shot. You look at the map and it's

38:55

a straight shot tossed over a bridge

38:58

into a body of water on the side of towns.

39:00

Last compute a lad news

39:02

anchor Orlando Morning News at

39:05

w DBO. Where

39:07

does the case stand. I mean, they're doing

39:09

anything they can, but the fact of the matter

39:12

is is that the one suspect, deal Smith,

39:14

isn't Howcket pleading the fifth.

39:16

They really have kind of hit an investigative

39:19

wall with this guy. So there

39:22

they keep putting the word out if anybody

39:24

saw anything that could possibly tie

39:26

him or another person for

39:29

the crime. But they're trying to throw mud

39:31

against the wall right now to see if anything will stick.

39:33

But it doesn't look like they're much closer

39:35

to solving this crime than they were, you

39:38

know, just shortly after it happened, and the

39:40

well sort of dried up with the evidence.

39:43

John w Dial, Where

39:45

does the case stand right now or

39:47

it stands right now? Is that Unfortunately

39:51

there's no closure. The

39:53

body has not been found, there's not been a charge

39:56

against mister Smith, who was never

39:58

prosecuted. It is an open case obviously

40:00

with nobody it's

40:03

very difficult to prosecute. Still and

40:06

Miss Stewart still

40:09

feels every day wondering,

40:11

wondering what happened, wondering if there's

40:13

some some off chance that maybe her daughter's

40:15

out there somewhere but she's you

40:18

know, that's not a real realistic hope

40:20

at this point. If you have information, or

40:22

you think you may know something,

40:25

please dial eight hundred

40:27

four two three tips Tips.

40:30

That's eight hundred four two

40:33

three eight four seven

40:35

seven. Nancy

40:37

Grace Clime story signing off, goodbye

40:40

friend,