0:06

A police officer responds to

0:08

an attempt at stabbing, gets

0:10

there and sees a woman swinging

0:13

a knife wildly at another person.

0:16

That person falls to the ground, so

0:18

the cop shoots. He

0:21

ended up shooting a sixteen

0:23

year old girl McKee

0:25

Bryant on

0:35

one. Where's your emergency

0:46

their department number letter one?

1:04

Were these world girls over here trying

1:06

to fight us?

1:09

On our grandma gigger? Now weapon

1:20

weapon? We need a police

1:23

officer here now now

1:30

on Wow.

1:37

You know you are hearing it just as

1:40

the nine one one dispatch hears it, just as

1:42

police hear it. You can hardly make

1:44

sense of what is going on, and that happens

1:46

all the time in nine on one cases. That's

1:49

why nine one dispatch is trained

1:51

so carefully, and police go

1:53

into a scene really not

1:55

exactly knowing what they're walking

1:58

into. With

2:00

me an all star panel to make sense of how

2:02

a teen girl is shot dead

2:04

after a frantic nine one one call

2:07

that someone is going to get

2:09

stabbed. First of all, Ashley Wilcot,

2:12

judge, trial lawyer, anchor court TV

2:14

at Ashley Wilcot dot com. Doctor

2:17

Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst to the

2:19

stars, joining us from La star of a

2:21

new Netflix program, Bling

2:23

Empire, and you can find doctor Bethany

2:26

at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.

2:28

Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University,

2:31

author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,

2:34

and star a Poisonous Liaisons

2:36

on the True Crime Network, death investigator

2:39

Joseph Scott Morgan. But first to special

2:41

guests joining us from ABC six

2:44

Fox twenty eight Columbus Haley

2:47

Nelson, thank you for being with

2:49

us. It's hard to make

2:51

sense of that nine one one call. But

2:54

what I'm hearing, and we have actually

2:59

recorded it and listen to it

3:01

over and over and transcribed

3:03

it. You hear someone

3:05

screaming into the phone. She's

3:08

at thirty one seventy one Legion Lane

3:10

and there is a girl trying to fight

3:13

and stab them and

3:15

they need a police officer there now,

3:18

and screaming, screaming, screaming.

3:21

First of all, tell me about

3:23

the area. What do you know that

3:25

happened? Well, we know at this point

3:28

that someone had called into nine

3:30

one one desperately needing some

3:32

kind of help. One of

3:34

the big things going around on social media, people

3:37

saying in the community was that Mkayah Bryant

3:39

had called nine one one. She needed help from

3:41

police. Right now, Columbus Police

3:43

the funeral of criminal investigations, They will

3:46

not confirm at this point

3:48

who called nine one one, But it turns out

3:50

now we know that the sixteen year old

3:52

has been shot and killed. She was living in a Foster

3:55

home at that time, So

3:57

that is where all of this silence folded.

4:01

Wait a minute, Wait a minute, is it Halle

4:04

or Helly Nelson? Heley?

4:07

Thank you, Haley. I'm

4:09

hearing you recite the facts, and

4:12

I know that you're correct, but something's

4:14

missing. You're saying they

4:17

got a nine one one call and the girl was shot,

4:20

but something had to precipitate

4:22

that nine one one call. And

4:26

do we know if any of

4:28

the victims in the case had

4:30

knives? Because whoever

4:32

called did not have a knife. And

4:35

I know that mckea Bryant did

4:38

have a knife. So why

4:40

would mckea bryant call and

4:42

say if she were being

4:44

threatened by a knife. But she's the one that's

4:46

got the knife. That's how it appears

4:49

that she had the knife in the body camera

4:51

video. But that's been some of the big questions

4:53

we've been trying to get to the bottom to asking

4:56

or there are other people at the scene that

4:58

were armed. How did this all begin?

5:01

Unfortunately BCI, which is run

5:03

by the Ohio Acurring Generals, not that they are not

5:05

revealing those details to us at that point.

5:08

But that's one of the biggest questions and concerns

5:10

right now going on in the community.

5:13

What was going on? Are you saying, b

5:15

C I, B is in brothers,

5:18

C is in Christie eyes

5:20

an intelligence, Yes, b C

5:23

I. Okay, yeah, all

5:26

right, So right now, we don't know how

5:28

many people had a knife at the scene when the cops

5:30

got there. They don't know how many knives

5:32

were on the scene. They're not revealing that to

5:34

us. We don't know how many people were there

5:37

ages or keeping mat pretty close

5:39

to the churn. Do we know if the victim had a knife?

5:41

We don't officially we

5:43

All we know is what they are showing us in that body

5:46

camera. What you can see with your owner eyes and rock

5:49

from there and with

5:52

me is a reporter with Fox twenty

5:54

eight ABC six Columbus Haley,

5:57

you've reviewed the video. What do you see? Do

5:59

you see anybody else with a knife

6:01

other than machea Bryant.

6:04

I've watched it closely it's hard

6:07

to tell. When you're

6:09

watching that video. You see her holding

6:11

something. I don't see the other folks.

6:13

You see one woman who seems to be holding

6:16

a dog. But when you listen to

6:18

that nine one one call, it just sounds like pandemonium.

6:21

Well, it does sound like pandemonium. But we've

6:23

all looked at the video, and I don't

6:26

see anybody else holding a knife. I see

6:28

the girl in the pink she has one

6:30

hand in a pocket, the other hand is holding

6:32

a dog. She's standing up by the car. I

6:36

don't see anybody

6:38

else with a knife. I see Macheia

6:42

Bryant in blue

6:45

jeans and a black shirt. I

6:47

think that's her. I

6:50

see a woman in shorts on

6:52

the sidewalk. She

6:55

doesn't have anything in her hands. The

6:58

other woman has a dog in her hand and her other

7:00

hand in a pocket. Where's

7:03

this coming from that another person had a knife

7:05

other than Machia Bryant. One

7:08

of the biggest things I've been noticing with this situation

7:11

is there's been a lot of, you know, talk

7:13

going on on social media in the community,

7:16

people saying that there were

7:18

multiple threats going

7:20

on her, or a lot of people fighting. We

7:23

don't necessarily see that in the video.

7:25

Obviously we just see sadly the

7:28

end result kind of the end of all of that. But none of that

7:30

information has been confirmed, and I think that's why

7:32

people are so desperate to get

7:35

more answers from the Bureau of Criminal Investigations

7:37

DCI about what exactly was

7:40

unfolding, because right now there are a lot

7:42

more questions than there are answers. Let's

7:45

bring in the pale. But first of all, take

7:47

a listen to this. This is from Nicholas

7:49

Arden's body camp footage. She's

8:25

wrong Crime

8:40

Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,

8:43

we were talking about the shooting death

8:45

by an officer of a sixteen

8:48

year old teen girl. Okay, right

8:50

at the outset. Whenever a

8:53

civilian dies or

8:55

a shot when officers

8:57

go to a scene, there's something there,

9:00

very wrong that's

9:02

not supposed to happen. When

9:04

an officer goes to a scene and perceives

9:07

a threat to the officer,

9:10

another officer or a civilian

9:13

shots maybe fire. So

9:16

I'm trying to figure out why

9:19

this girl was shot. From

9:21

what I kept telling you heard that that sound,

9:24

that's Nicholas Reardon's body camp footage.

9:27

It was pandemonium as Healey Nelson

9:29

is telling us complete pandemonium.

9:32

You got a cop going into that scene trying

9:35

to make sense of it. And I

9:37

don't know if you've looked at the video,

9:40

Joe Scott Morgan, what do

9:42

you see? Because I don't see anybody else with a

9:44

knife except mckea Bryant.

9:47

No, that's the only individual

9:49

at the scene that I actually see

9:51

holding a knife at that moment in time.

9:54

She hasn't essentially drawn back with

9:57

her right hand. And this is this

10:00

is the interesting perspective, Nancy. The

10:02

view that you're getting from

10:06

the officer worn camera is

10:10

literally down down the barrel

10:12

of his weapon. If folks at home, there's

10:14

a great freeze frame that's out there that

10:17

you can look down the barrel of that weapon and

10:20

actually see her knife or

10:22

the knife that she's holding in her right hand, and

10:25

she's kind of twisted at her waist to the

10:27

right as if she's generating force. Just

10:29

think about somebody kind of holding

10:32

a baseball bat and twisting backwards

10:34

to swing forward. And it's

10:37

a very interesting and I can tell you

10:39

why, but it's a very interesting anatomical

10:41

position, particularly when you

10:43

consider that there were shots fired afterwards.

10:46

I'm looking at the video right now to you

10:48

Askal Walcott, judge and trial warrior,

10:50

what do you see? You know, I agree

10:52

with Joe Scott Morgan and that's what I see as well.

10:55

But Nancy, one of the things that bothers me about

10:57

what I see and what I heard, if we could go backwards

10:59

to the nine one tape, is it's

11:02

children. Listen to the voices and

11:04

the sound of the voices, and you can tell

11:06

the age and when you get there and they're watching this,

11:09

and so not only do I only see

11:11

one knife. Yes, there's chaos,

11:13

Yes it's scary when you walk into that situation

11:16

as law enforcement. But I see kids,

11:18

Nancy, that's what I see. I see teams,

11:22

but I also see a knife. And

11:26

when somebody swinging a knife

11:29

and an unarmed victim, I

11:31

mean mckembri, I'm looking at

11:34

it. I mean, am I seeing it from the wrong

11:36

angle, Doctor Bethanie Marshall, because

11:39

I don't want a sixteen year old girls shot, But

11:42

I also double another teen girl

11:44

stabbed damn with a cop standing right, they are

11:47

doing nothing. I mean, I've been playing

11:49

this video on a loop since we started

11:51

the show today. And Nancy, not

11:53

only is it chaotic. And

11:56

not only is this one teen girl the only

11:58

one with the knife, but you have other people actually

12:01

falling over. That's what's strange.

12:03

In the foreground, you have both

12:06

a man and a woman. Let's

12:08

see, you have one

12:11

person on the ground and you

12:13

have another person falling backwards.

12:16

And I can't figure out what paused

12:19

that. Do you see what I meant? I say Bryant

12:21

in the video Makia Bryant swinging a

12:23

knife at the young

12:26

woman in shorts.

12:29

There's a girl on the pink that has the dog

12:32

and she's kind of leaning back against

12:34

at the beginning anyway, leaning back against

12:37

a car, clearly not

12:39

presenting a threat. A girl

12:41

in the pink jogging outfit. So

12:44

she doesn't have a knife, she's holding

12:46

it a little dog, and she's

12:49

got her other hand in her pocket,

12:53

hands like that because there's no bulge in

12:55

the pocket, palm and pocket.

12:57

So she's leaning back against the car. Then

13:01

I see Mkia Bryant,

13:03

age sixteen, swing

13:06

a knife at a young girl,

13:09

a young woman who was wearing

13:11

shorts, and after she slashes,

13:15

the girl in shorts falls backward

13:18

onto the ground. I mean, if you look

13:20

at it, it looks like she may have been cut. A

13:23

slow down version shows

13:25

Mkia Briant then turning her attention

13:28

toward the kneon pink tracksuit

13:31

girl in peeing her

13:33

up against the car. Reardon

13:37

pulls out his gun and keeps yelling

13:39

get down, get down at

13:42

Bryant, who then raises

13:45

her right hand clutching

13:47

the knife and directs it at

13:49

the woman who's leaned back against

13:52

the car. She is cowering,

13:54

kind of defending herself to

13:57

the blow that she's about to get and

14:00

reared and fires. That's

14:02

what I see, and I'm missing something,

14:05

Nancy. Not only is it the knife

14:07

when she pulls back and she has the knife

14:09

aimed at the girl in the neon paint

14:12

jogging suit, it's right at the girl's

14:14

abdomen. I mean, I'm a psycholanalyst. I'm

14:16

not a medical psychoanalyst. I'm

14:18

a non MPDU clinician.

14:22

But when you point a knife at somebody's

14:24

abdomens, that's where all the major

14:26

organs are. And I can see

14:29

how in the melee you

14:31

might be really concerned that

14:34

somebody's going to die at the scene, that

14:36

this is a deadly situation that's

14:39

unfolding very quickly. You

14:41

know we have the gift of hindsight

14:44

where we're playing this tape again

14:46

and again and again. But

14:49

what happens when you're on that scene.

14:52

You'r adrenaline's pumping and

14:54

that you're trained to keep people

14:57

safe, and somebody's walking around

14:59

wielding a on in such an aggressive manner.

15:02

I can't imagine how

15:05

someone makes a decision in

15:08

a case like that. It seems

15:10

very threatening to me. Well, now

15:12

we have freeze frames of the incident, and

15:15

you see it's

15:17

pretty damning. I see mckea

15:20

Bryant, age sixteen. It

15:24

looks like she's got one her left hand

15:26

up toward the victim in the pink

15:29

track suit, kind of knee neon

15:31

peach, and she's got

15:34

her right hand reared

15:36

back like she sticks into she's about

15:40

to stab the girl. And

15:44

you see the kneeon

15:46

pink track suit girl defending

15:49

herself in a classic defense

15:52

maneuver. She pulls up,

15:54

she drops the dog. The dog is dropped on

15:56

the ground. She's got both hands

15:59

up like this. She does not have

16:01

a weapon in her hand. Palms

16:04

are open. She does not have a weapon.

16:06

She's cringing back. She's lifting her

16:09

left knee up over her body

16:11

like this and mckea

16:14

Bryant is going in with the knife. That's

16:17

what I'm seeing. But you know what,

16:20

let's listen take a listen to more.

16:22

This is the second officer that arrives

16:25

on the scene. Body can footage

16:27

and it sounds crazy, but let's try

16:29

to dissect pick out what we can make of

16:31

it. Thanks

16:44

two hundred such fires, two hundred such

16:46

fir shut

16:50

down the three. We're gonna have enough cards. Shut down

16:52

the three, I'd be hearing shut down the

16:54

three, back down, the count three down

17:22

climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,

17:26

for those of you just joining us, um, there

17:29

are no winners in this scenario, and

17:32

the truth is very difficult

17:34

to discern. But what we

17:37

are talking about is a sixteen year old

17:39

teen girl who is welding

17:42

a knife. And it's

17:44

a substantial knife too. I'm

17:47

interested to find out, Joe Scott Morgan,

17:49

and you're my forensics expert, that

17:52

just the blade on that knife

17:55

looks to be at least four inches

17:57

long. Yeah, I think I think

17:59

you be showing your measurement there. I think

18:01

that it might because the freeze frame

18:04

I'm looking at right now, her right

18:06

index finger is actually obscuring part of

18:08

the blade. Nancy. I'm right, I'm looking. I know,

18:10

I'm looking at the same thing. Is

18:12

this with Naton, track suit girl,

18:14

Calorie and the dog

18:17

is on the ground and mckea

18:20

Briant is reared back with a knife

18:22

and then knife You can see it really well. Yeah,

18:25

and you know part of the handle is actually

18:27

hanging out of the backside. She's really choked

18:29

up on this thing. It almost looks like this

18:31

is a kitchen knife, Nancy. It

18:33

looks like knife.

18:37

Who goes out in the yard with a knife like that. I'm thinking,

18:39

you know, it's one thing if you're carrying a pocket knife,

18:42

but you're knife. No,

18:44

it's not. You're showing up with a knife that

18:46

has that length of a blade.

18:49

It's it's pretty amazing to me that

18:52

someone would even have that in their hands.

18:54

I mean, what are you What are you doing with

18:56

a knife like that out and that

18:59

takes that takes purpose

19:02

the purpose. I'm going to go look at the other

19:04

still frame with the dogs

19:07

still on the ground and knee

19:09

on track Suit girl is now

19:12

that she's got her knee up against her right

19:15

in the defensive gesture. Yep,

19:17

Now you see Mkia Brant

19:19

has raised a knife. Now she's got it up like that

19:24

right at net length.

19:26

I guess, Nick, the

19:29

same parallel in her neck

19:31

and face. Do you see that? Yeah?

19:34

And so she's coiled at that point time

19:36

I'm talking about the Bryant

19:40

is coiled. At that point she's she's generating

19:42

energy in order to thrust the

19:45

thing forward. And Nancy, if

19:47

I can just expand on this a little bit, I gotta

19:49

say I've worked a lot of knife fatalities

19:52

over the course of my career, and

19:55

most of the time they take place in the home. All

19:57

right, this is not something you see it, you hear about it on

19:59

the street, but they take place in the home. What

20:01

do we reach for in the home? The thing that's the most convenient,

20:04

And most of the time you see more in my experience,

20:06

my little slice of the world, I've seen more knife

20:09

fatalities relative to things

20:11

you use in the kitchen as opposed to guy gariness,

20:14

which blade or buck knife or

20:16

you know, something like that. And so

20:19

these injuries are particularly nasty

20:22

first because the shank on the blade,

20:24

the backside of it is

20:26

very very robust, all right, Because

20:28

you know, you're talking about cutting through bone and

20:32

you have such links, so you're going to be able to really

20:35

get in to the central

20:37

part of the body and kind

20:40

of work your way in with this knife. And

20:42

these these injuries most of the time, particularly

20:44

if you hit anywhere in the chest, they

20:46

have a high high percentage

20:49

of lethality at that point in time. And

20:52

you're saying lethality.

20:56

Yeah, absolutely, it's not going

20:58

to end well, Nancy. Okay,

21:01

this is what the Columbus mayor says. Andrew

21:03

Ginther says, we know based on

21:05

this footage the officer took action to protect

21:08

another girl in our community.

21:11

Already, protests have started.

21:14

There are reports that the

21:17

victim, Mckeea Bryant made

21:19

the call to police. Let's take another

21:21

listen to that nine on one call, our cup

21:24

one. Listen, where

21:27

is your emergency department

21:39

number? Letter set?

21:54

These girl girls over here trying to fight us on

21:58

our Grandma dinner. Now weapon

22:10

weapon, We need a police

22:12

officer here now. Now,

22:21

Wow, you're

22:27

hearing the nine on one call just like dispatch you

22:29

did. And now take a listen to Clay

22:32

Gordon Angelan Harris ten TV

22:35

News. This is

22:37

the body camera video released from Columbus

22:39

Police. Interim police Chief Mike Woods

22:41

says Officer Nicholas Reardon was

22:43

the one who discharged his firearm. Here

22:45

he is heading towards a legion lane after two

22:48

nine one one calls to police foot

22:56

and shows seven people in a driveway, and when the

22:58

officer says what's going on, that's when

23:00

another woman is shoved to the ground. Please

23:03

later identify Kayah Bryant. She

23:05

appears to be the one shoving down the other

23:07

woman. We are going to slow this part down.

23:10

Officer Reardon draws his gun. Ten

23:12

seconds after getting out of the cruiser, a

23:15

woman on the ground gets kicked by

23:17

a man on the sidewalk. Clubs. Please

23:19

say, other potential crimes within this video

23:21

are being investigated separately. Then

23:23

you see mccaya Bryant lunging towards

23:25

a woman in pink with what appears to

23:27

be a knife. Then the first shot

23:30

is fired. We're

23:33

going to pause this video here for ten seconds.

23:35

As Mccaiah falls to the ground and the officer's

23:38

gun is still pointed at her. We're

23:41

not going to show her death out of respect

23:43

of her life and for her family.

23:45

A second officer's body camera arriving

23:48

on scene pick up the shots. Okay,

23:51

back to Ashley Walcott, judge and trial law,

23:53

your anchor at Court TV Way yea and Ashley. So

23:55

here's the thing, Nancy. You understand that a course

23:58

based on the training of the officer there here

24:00

to assist and put

24:02

the threat away, so nobody's hurt, and that's

24:05

what he's done. But I have so many questions

24:07

listening to this, watching this over and over

24:09

and over, like I have, Nancy, Here's what I

24:11

don't understand. There are other ways? Do

24:14

you have to shoot a person then kill

24:16

them when you're trained law enforcement? What about

24:18

a t What do you mean by that? What

24:20

do you mean do you have to kill them when

24:22

they're a trained law Are you suggesting that what

24:25

a shooter in the leg? Yes? Yes?

24:28

Or guess why? If

24:30

if the threat? If? If the threat

24:32

can be stopped by shooting

24:35

elsewhere and not shooting to kill?

24:37

Absolutely? Absolutely.

24:40

The other question I would have, and I know it's a just

24:42

Scott Morgan question, it's not a mean question,

24:45

is what about a taser? Did

24:47

he have the ability to use the taser with he too

24:49

far away? I don't know those things, but

24:51

are there other ways to get rid of the

24:54

threat without the individual dying?

24:56

Yes, she was a risk, Yes she was going

24:58

to hurt someone. Yes she had to be he stopped. But was

25:01

this the best way, the best

25:03

training to stop her? That's my question.

25:06

Yes, I agree with you. Was

25:09

it the best way? I

25:14

know this. Somebody

25:16

pulled a knife on

25:20

my child and

25:23

they are unarmed, and

25:25

they are carrying back in their trapped

25:27

against the back of a car, and

25:32

the aggressor pulls

25:35

the knife back and starts to stab

25:37

them. Do

25:40

you think about that, Ashley? Well,

25:44

you do have a point, Mancy. I mean, obviously

25:46

we are all going to want protected

25:50

protected. Absolutely you want to

25:52

protected. But I still stand

25:55

by was that

25:58

the only way this officer

26:01

could make certain that

26:03

the victim was not harmed?

26:07

That's my I don't know the answer. I'm not an

26:09

expert in law enforcement, but I have

26:11

to ask that question. I

26:14

agree with you. I agree with you.

26:16

Was there another way? Could there have been another

26:19

way? Let's put the shoe on the other foot. If

26:22

my child had a knife

26:25

and was reared back, what

26:27

I want the cop to shoot my child?

26:30

Of course not. But

26:32

in this case, when

26:35

you are pulling a knife back and lunging

26:38

forward on an unarmed person, the

26:40

cop is gonna shoot crime

26:52

stories with Nancy Grace. Let

26:55

me understand something, Haley Nelson with me, reporter

26:57

ABC six, Fox twenty eight. Did

27:00

a cop shout out to

27:02

mckeya Bryant to stand

27:05

down. We don't hear that in

27:07

the body camera video, and Columbus police

27:09

say that that's something that they like

27:12

officers to do to announce they

27:14

might be firing. But it is not an

27:17

absolute mandate here for Columbus

27:19

police to do that. Well, I know it's not a

27:21

mandate, but I

27:24

was told that he yelled

27:27

out, get down, get down, get

27:29

down before he shot. Sure, we

27:32

hear we hear him say get down, get

27:34

down. We don't necessarily, at least from what

27:36

I hear watching this, we don't hear him say I'm

27:38

going to shoot necessarily, But there

27:41

are some commands get down, get down?

27:43

Hey, what's going on? So he does

27:46

order her to get down. From

27:48

what we are hearing in body camera videos, there

27:50

are some commands that go out, but

27:53

as you heard, they're yelling. There's people

27:55

all over. I know that, but I'm

27:57

confused about why can't get his train answer

28:00

because I hear him. All

28:02

the reports are is that he yelled out,

28:05

get down. Get down, get down.

28:07

Why is it? I mean, why is that so

28:09

hard to say? The

28:12

cop yelled out, get down, get

28:14

down, get down. Okay,

28:17

you know what, doctor Bessie Marshall, as

28:20

my hearing completely just failed

28:22

me. Am I not hearing the cop yelled

28:25

get down, get down, get down. He's yelling

28:27

get down. And from a mental health

28:30

perspective, I'm thinking about

28:32

why is this sixteen year old

28:35

not hearing him or

28:37

purposely not hearing him. Obviously she can

28:39

hear him. She don't say she didn't full of doing

28:42

that. I don't know if she heard him or not in the heat

28:44

of that moment. Go ahead, I'm sorry.

28:46

Yeah, well, well, I guess you know

28:48

you and I are thinking the same thing. She's in such

28:51

an agitated state. Obviously,

28:54

she's very aggressive, she has excessive

28:57

bull directed energy.

29:00

She has her victim and her sights, and

29:02

the fact that she is not responding

29:05

to the officer says something

29:07

about her state of mind, something about her

29:10

intent. She's

29:13

literally charging at the victim

29:15

of some kind of a bipolar state. I don't

29:17

want to speak ill of the dead, but something

29:21

is going on with her psychiatrically

29:24

that is unfolding, very

29:27

very quickly, and the fact that she's

29:29

either unable to hear the officer or

29:32

is purposely not listening to the officer

29:35

is an indicator of her intent that

29:39

she you know sometimes you know that

29:42

agitated state, whether she even heard him.

29:45

There's no no win here

29:47

because the team girl has been shot

29:50

dead, and when police

29:52

go into a situation ending

29:54

up having a civilian dead, something

29:57

went horribly sideways. Another

30:01

thing that I think is very significant is what

30:04

Halley Nelson

30:06

is telling me from ABC six Fix twenty

30:08

eight. If the girl

30:11

mckea Bryant is

30:13

the one that made that nine one one

30:16

call, that changes

30:18

everything because that

30:21

tells me that at some point she was

30:23

afraid of a knife attack. If

30:26

in fact that was her making the call.

30:29

If mckea Bryant made that nine one

30:31

one call where she's begging an officer to come

30:33

to the scene because somebody has

30:35

a knife and is attacking her

30:38

and others, that really

30:41

changes everything, Ashley Willcott,

30:43

because that takes her away from

30:45

being the original aggressor. Absolutely,

30:48

it changes everything because

30:51

she's not the original aggressor.

30:53

She therefore was initially the victim.

30:55

And there's a very good argument then defending

30:58

herself, I hear

31:01

you. But even

31:04

if she was initially that, if

31:06

she was the initial victim, she

31:10

still was the

31:12

aggressor on the girl with a

31:14

neon pink sweatshit sweatsuit because

31:17

that girl was unarmed. I don't know what happened

31:19

before this, before the officer

31:21

got there. Helen Nelson,

31:24

Where are the reports coming from that

31:27

mckea Bryant is the one who made

31:29

that nine one one call. None

31:31

of us want any

31:35

perp shot dead on the scene. When

31:38

an officer shows up and thinks

31:41

he's got to shoot to save an

31:43

innocent victim's life, they're

31:45

gonna shoot. But I can't

31:48

understand everything that was happening. Where's

31:52

it coming from that she made the nine one one call.

31:55

None of that is confirmed officially

31:57

by police or invested him. That is what people

31:59

in the kynody are saying, what people

32:01

on social media are saying. We've

32:03

seen massive protests through the city of Columbus.

32:06

That's one of the major points that a lot

32:08

of people demonstrating are saying.

32:10

But we asked BCI,

32:12

we asked investigators about this. They're

32:15

not telling us yet officially. Well,

32:18

they need to be completely transparent and

32:20

get all the facts out there. If there's something

32:23

we don't know, we need

32:25

to know. The public has a right

32:27

to know. Jump in. Yeah, hey, look,

32:29

look this is why I love science, Nancy. The

32:32

beauty part of this is that it's going to

32:34

be determined who made the nine one More

32:36

than likely, I doubt, very seriously, it

32:39

came from a landline, which problems solved

32:41

right there. More than likely it came from a cell

32:43

phone. That cell phone has a distinct

32:46

signature. We'll know who owns the

32:48

phone, and if they want to take it another step,

32:50

they can do a voice analysis. Now

32:53

back to this young woman. I mean,

32:55

certainly a witness is going to be able to say who call

32:57

nine one one? But yeah, you're right, it can

32:59

be to the so yeah,

33:01

absolutely, and that that'll be that

33:04

takes that level of emotion

33:06

and lack of clarity out of it very

33:08

very quickly. And BCI is

33:12

very good at what they do, all right, so

33:15

I know that they'll track this down. Secondly,

33:18

relative to the officer when he came

33:20

up, he's trying to interdict a situation.

33:23

Now let's just say, let's take this idea

33:25

that he's going to shoot to wound. I've

33:28

heard many people over the years to actually

33:31

say this, and I understand the premise

33:33

behind it. However, the target

33:36

that you're talking about shooting is

33:39

a target that you have to acquire within

33:41

a millisecond if you

33:43

shoot, if you just stand by and wind

33:46

up shooting somebody in a leg, if you're fortunate

33:48

enough to hit that spot all

33:50

right, by that time, she

33:53

could have cut this other girl's throat. Now,

33:55

not only do you have the girl bleeding out on

33:57

the ground that had her throat cut, Now

34:00

you've got another person that has been

34:02

shot potentially in the leg. Guess what runs

34:04

through the leg, the federal artery. All

34:06

kinds of other vessels run through there. Now

34:08

she's bleeding out, You've got two people dying.

34:11

Maybe resources are limited as

34:13

far as tasers go. Again,

34:15

this is a millisecond decision. I

34:17

don't know that he could cross

34:20

that ground in that amount of time because

34:22

there is a terminal length to

34:24

the distance a taser can

34:26

deploy. And if you have somebody,

34:28

as doctor Bethany had mentioned, has

34:31

a highly agitated mental state,

34:34

let me tell you something. You're not going to interdict

34:37

him with a taser necessarily. This

34:39

is a lethal event that is going on.

34:42

The police officer had to make

34:44

that decision in that moment. Guys,

34:47

how did this young girl mckea

34:49

Brian, age sixteen end

34:52

up wandering around with a butcher

34:54

knife in the front yard. Take a listen to our

34:56

cut eight. This is Lacy Crisp

34:59

ten TV. As the world heard

35:01

the verdict in the Derek Chauvin case, Paula

35:04

Bryant's sixteen year old daughter Mkaiah

35:07

was fatally shot by a Columbus police

35:09

officer on the city's southeast side.

35:11

I'm very upset, I'm hurt.

35:14

I want answers. Columbus police

35:16

were called to Legion Lane on reports

35:18

of his stabbing. A Columbus police officer

35:20

fired his gun, shooting and killing

35:23

the team. My daughter dispatched the Columbus

35:25

police for protection. Not

35:28

to be a homicide today. Makaiah

35:30

was staying at a foster home. But Paula

35:33

tells me that you last saw each other on Thursday.

35:37

Haley Nelson, ABC six, Fox

35:39

twenty eight. Why was she in a foster home. We know that they

35:41

had had a history. She had had a history

35:43

with Children's Services since two thousand and

35:45

seven. As for specific

35:48

details, they're not sharing those with us. But she's

35:50

been living in a foster home and that specific

35:53

address where this unfolded

35:55

for just a few months, for just a little

35:57

bit of time, right, they specific

35:59

a dress. What are you saying if you address this location

36:02

where sadly, this deadly shooting

36:04

unfolded. Okay, let me understand

36:07

what you just said. Thirty one seventy

36:09

one Legion Lane is the foster home,

36:12

that is my understanding. Holy

36:15

moly. So is it a family

36:18

residence or is it a home where multiple

36:20

children live? It's a residential area.

36:23

We don't know how many children

36:26

might live at that home, but

36:29

we do know she had been there recently.

36:33

Do you ask she Wilcot judge

36:35

and trial lawyer, she's

36:38

in a foster home and she has

36:40

she's allowed to wield

36:43

a butcher knife out in the front

36:45

yard. Who's supervising

36:48

her in that foster family? Yeah, so

36:50

this is a whole other issue. You know. I'm a child welfare

36:52

law specialist and deal with these issues

36:54

on a daily basis in juvenile court. Let

36:57

me say this with this entire scenario,

37:00

I'm assuming it's probably a residential foster

37:02

home, meaning, for those who aren't familiar with our

37:04

system, that there are children

37:06

placed in the home. But it's not a group

37:08

home, so you're not going to have twenty or thirty children,

37:11

but rather a couple of children

37:13

placed in the home. She might have been the only child.

37:16

There are strict regulations policies

37:19

that foster parents have to go through to ensure

37:22

that their home is safe for children who frankly,

37:24

they don't know well. Right, children who have been

37:26

through trauma and should not have access

37:29

to weapons. And a butcher

37:31

knife is a weapon. Now there's some that

37:33

would argue but it's just used in the kitchen to

37:35

cook. Okay, fair enough. But when

37:38

you have teams put in your home that you're

37:40

not familiar with their history, they're trauma what

37:42

they need, and you are a foster agency

37:45

or home for a state agency,

37:48

there are criteria that need to be met.

37:50

You have to supervise the children. So this

37:53

child should not have had access

37:55

to a butcher knife in order to

37:57

then be threatening individual than

38:00

actually chasing a victim in

38:02

order to save them. There are a lot of issues

38:04

with that scenario, and that child,

38:08

I would suggest, was not being properly

38:10

supervised right now, we're

38:14

yeah, I'd like to add one more thing too, something

38:16

else that's kind of disturbing to me that I

38:19

caught in this video. I don't know, maybe

38:21

I'm misinterpreting it, but I could

38:23

swear that at a couple of these views,

38:25

I saw adults out there spectating. For

38:30

me, that's very troubling.

38:32

And let me tell you one more if you like

38:35

that one. If in

38:37

fact, any of these adults had

38:39

a camera in their hand and they were videotaping

38:41

this, their collective

38:44

asses should be in jail, period,

38:47

because they didn't interdict prior to

38:49

the cops having to show up and do what

38:52

they did. So if there were adults out

38:54

there and they were watching these minor children

38:56

engage, it almost you know, I gotta

38:58

tell you, Nancy, I love him. It almost

39:00

looked like gladiator games. Is that

39:03

what they're doing? It's this like entertainment

39:05

for them, because that's very,

39:07

very disturbing. We also know

39:09

that a woman named Hazel Bryant,

39:11

who I did herself as mckea

39:14

Bryant's aunt stated

39:17

mckea Bryant lived in the Foster

39:19

home and had gotten involved in an altercation

39:22

with someone else there in

39:25

the Foster home. Clearly there

39:27

was no supervision at all. Right

39:29

now, we're looking for answers why

39:32

a sixteen year old girl has been shot,

39:36

and the reverberations go

39:38

on. Nancy Grace

39:40

Crime Story signing off Goodbye friend,