0:05

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in

0:13

the last hour of a

0:16

blow to the search for teen

0:18

girl Aaomi Arian.

0:22

Take a listen to this. The search for a Nevada

0:24

teenager stocked and abducted from

0:26

a Walmart parking lot has ended with

0:28

the discovery of her body. Police

0:30

saying detectives acting on a tip found

0:33

the remains of eighteen year old Naomi Arion

0:35

buried in a remote area of Churchill

0:37

County. The teenager was abducted

0:40

in her own car while waiting for a shuttle

0:42

bus on her way to work in Reno. A

0:44

forty one year old ex con was charged

0:47

today with first degree kidnapping. Troy

0:49

Driver has a violent criminal record,

0:52

including a sentence of fifteen years

0:54

in prison for his role in a nineteen ninety

0:56

seven murder in northern California.

0:59

You were just our friends at Katla

1:01

five, breaking the heartrending

1:05

news this after

1:08

Naomi's mother joined

1:11

us begging, begging

1:14

for help in finding her girl.

1:18

Listen, We're also looking for her purse.

1:21

It's a black back

1:25

in any of her clothing. She was wearing a

1:27

blue Panasonic T shirt and

1:30

she was wearing a gray cardigan,

1:33

and I think she was wearing gray sweatpants

1:36

and blue ug boots. They

1:38

were either gray black or brown

1:41

gray black brown. I think they were like a faded

1:43

black. Yes, they're like they're

1:46

knockoff ugs. So they're not named

1:48

brands. Yes. So if

1:50

you find any of that just laying out,

1:53

please call. It could be

1:56

vital to saving her life,

1:59

and that's our number one goal right now.

2:02

Please save my daughter and

2:05

bringing her home. Please

2:07

anything, any little tiny bit

2:09

of information, please call her mother

2:12

Diana breaking down

2:14

in tears. The more

2:16

we talked about the search for her

2:18

daughter, the more she broke

2:21

down. I wonder if verbalizing

2:23

in that way what was

2:25

happening made it too

2:28

real for her. In the last

2:30

hours, we learned the body of

2:32

Team Girl Naomi Erian

2:35

has been found. We

2:37

believe in a shallow grave.

2:40

Joining me an all star

2:42

panel to make sense of what we know right now. Wendy

2:44

Patrick, California prosecutor, author

2:46

of Red Flags on Amazon. She's

2:49

the host of Today with Doctor Wendy on KCBQ.

2:52

You can find her at Wendy Patrick PhD dot

2:54

com. Doctor Debbie Joffe ellis

2:56

psychologists Professor, Columbia

2:59

University in New York, author

3:01

of Rational Emotive Behavior,

3:04

You can find her at Debbie Joffeelis dot

3:06

com. Renowned medical

3:08

examiner joining us from the state

3:10

of Florida. Doctor Tim Gallagher,

3:13

Lecturer, University Florida Medical

3:15

School, Forensic Medicine founder

3:18

and host International Forensic Medicine

3:20

Death Investigation Conference.

3:23

Karen Smith, forensic

3:26

expert, lecturer, University Florida,

3:28

host of a hit series Shattered

3:30

Souls podcast. But first

3:33

to Alexis tres Chuck, crime online dot

3:35

com investigative reporter joining

3:38

us Alexis,

3:40

take a listen to our friend,

3:43

Brianna Connor, ABC

3:46

thirteen. It was in fact a tip

3:48

from a neighbor that helped investigators

3:50

find driver and the truck connected

3:52

to the case. Another tip eventually

3:54

led to Naomi's body. Investigators

3:57

have not said whether they believe drivers

3:59

or ontable Friendiomi's death. He's

4:01

due back in court on April fifth. Alexis

4:04

Terrestchuck, tell me everything you know about

4:07

the location of

4:09

Naomi's body. Teen girl

4:12

Naomi Erian remains

4:15

have just been found in a

4:17

remote rural area, Alexis, what

4:19

do we know? Somebody called a tip into

4:21

the police. We don't know who it is,

4:24

how they knew this, because it

4:26

was it's a very specific tip

4:28

of where a bodience. They told

4:31

the police there was a shallow

4:33

grave that I don't know if they said there's a body

4:35

or a grave, but they pointed the police in the

4:37

exact right location. This

4:39

is a rural area and what they

4:41

found there is a shallow grave.

4:45

I understand that it is Churchill

4:48

County. Is in Winston Churchill, Churchill

4:51

County. Now I'm trying to figure

4:53

out, Wendy Patrick, what

4:56

do we know or Alexis terrestrict

4:58

anyone on the panel. It is familiar

5:00

with that area Churchill County.

5:03

From Fernley, Nevada,

5:06

where she went missing, to

5:10

Churchill County, Nevada,

5:13

it's about an hour and fifteen

5:15

minutes. Okay, So

5:18

here we go. Pick

5:21

it up there, Alexis, you were in the middle

5:23

of telling me about where she was found.

5:26

Go ahead. So she was found

5:28

in Churchill County, which is almost

5:31

sixty miles away from where she went

5:33

missing. She was found Churchill County.

5:35

She went missing in Fernley, Nevada, and it

5:37

was found in Churchill County. This is a rural county.

5:39

Not even three thousand people lived there. So somebody

5:43

called in a tip about this

5:45

and led the police to her

5:48

grave, not to her in the house,

5:50

her alive, unfortunately, to a

5:52

grave what they're calling a shallow grave. You

5:55

know that conjures up all sorts of

5:57

images. Karen L. Smith is joining

5:59

me every one at barebones

6:01

Forensic dot com. Karen a forensic

6:03

expert. Karen, when I hear

6:06

shallow grave, I don't want

6:08

to hear that in this same sentence

6:12

with a missing team girl. A

6:15

shallow grave in my experience, that's

6:17

two or three feet deep. Max,

6:19

Yeah, what does it mean to you? That's exactly right,

6:22

one foot to three feet Nancy. You know that

6:24

tells me so much about

6:27

this crime. That implements

6:29

were purchased beforehand, there was premeditation,

6:32

they had shovels. Okay, you look,

6:34

you know you're the forensic expert. You've got explained

6:36

to everybody. Why you're saying that. I

6:40

get you explain why? Well, you know

6:42

you have one or more perpetrators

6:45

at this point we don't know. But

6:48

if you have a shallow grave, they're not going to get

6:50

down on their knees and dig it with their hands. They have

6:52

implements with them, whether it's a shovel or a

6:55

rake or a pickaxe or whatever it is

6:57

they have that with them, which

7:00

tells me it's almost like a murder kit. This was pre

7:02

planned, This was premeditated. They have to

7:04

dig that grave with something and

7:06

then you put a body in it, So

7:08

that tells me everything about premeditation. Nancy

7:11

Karen Smith, that is an excellent point

7:14

to dig even a shallow

7:16

grave. An implement is

7:19

needed. However, in

7:21

my mind, Wendy Patrick, this

7:24

team girl could have been murdered and

7:27

then the get the implement. First

7:29

thing, they need to go to all

7:31

the walmarts, all the lows

7:35

home depots feeding seeds.

7:37

It's a rural area, there could

7:39

be one nearby. That's an obvious

7:41

choice to find out if anyone

7:43

came in and bought a shovel or

7:45

anything they could use to dig

7:48

this hole. Right, I mean

7:50

this guy in I'd be driving around in his car with

7:52

a shovel in the bag. That's exactly right. And

7:55

thankfully that's something you and I know those

7:57

have been using for years, is looking at

7:59

surveillance video, especially in a rural

8:01

area where you don't have a hundred

8:04

stores to look at, you have less, and

8:06

especially when you haven't. I love the murder

8:08

kit that's a great sound bite for what

8:11

you would need, sadly to dig this

8:13

kind of a grape. So that's right. And

8:15

one of the benefits of doing that nowadays

8:18

is when I started practicing law, the

8:20

graininess of the photos almost made it

8:22

indistinguishable to try to figure out who

8:24

you can recognize what somebody is buying. But

8:27

nowadays we do have ways of really seeing

8:29

what we need to see to try to figure out who

8:31

might have bought this kit. And I have to

8:33

say this case really sort of makes

8:36

us look at something that you would think would

8:38

be as safe as a Walmart parking lot

8:41

very differently. What do we know about the location,

8:44

What if anything, can we learn about

8:46

the murder itself too? Alexa's

8:48

terrestic joining us from crime online dot com.

8:51

Do we have a cod cause of death?

8:53

Yet we do not. We do not have a cause of

8:55

death. All we know is there was a Caucasian

8:57

female body found and then it was

9:00

identified, So we don't even know like

9:03

if the body was all together, if the body

9:05

was you know, cut

9:08

up. We don't know anything about the condition, how

9:10

it was decomposed, whether the body and she went

9:12

missing. March twelve, that is

9:14

weeks ago and so she her

9:16

body could have been out there in the shallow grave

9:18

this entire time. It's cold as the

9:20

winter. There could have you know, the elements

9:22

could have really caused a lot of decomposition

9:37

crime stories with Nancy Grace to

9:44

doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner

9:46

joining us in the state of Florida. Doctor Gallagher,

9:48

again, thank you for being with us. I'm trying

9:50

to determine ay how

9:52

they identified her and they

9:55

if we can figure out a cause of death after this

9:57

time lapse, Doctor Gallagher, there are many

9:59

ways to identify a dead

10:01

person. You don't have to have DNA.

10:04

As a matter of fact, when Gabby's

10:08

body was found, she

10:12

was wearing a T shirt that

10:14

her parent, Gabby Potato, that her

10:16

parents immediately knew was

10:19

hers. And we all

10:21

have certain identifying things

10:24

that we wear. It

10:26

could be as simple as that. What are

10:28

other ways other than DNA.

10:31

Well, that's a good way of a supporting

10:33

piece of evidence that would lend to somebody

10:35

being identified. But in

10:38

order to identify somebody scientifically,

10:40

it has to be something

10:43

that's part of their body, and things that are part

10:45

of their body could be a unique

10:47

tattoo as simple as that,

10:50

or it could be a dental

10:53

work that they had done that is

10:55

shown up on the post mortem X

10:57

rays. There are also unique

11:00

features in the bones of the face that

11:03

if we take an X ray of the

11:05

remains and then we were able to get

11:08

an X ray of a person

11:10

who is alive, we can match the

11:13

bones of the face. You know too, You

11:16

mean if she had had an X ray in life,

11:18

right, if she had an X ray in life and we were able

11:20

to acquire that X ray and

11:23

then compare it to the X ray that we can before.

11:25

If somebody had a broken leg in

11:27

life and you find out this person has a broken

11:30

leg, This girl, to my knowledge, did not have any

11:32

tattoos or piercings

11:34

other than in her ears, so

11:37

that wouldn't help. But you know what about

11:40

the fact that to doctor Tim Gallagher,

11:43

for years, in decades, the

11:47

Red Cross and others have relied

11:49

on field tests, immediate

11:51

field test to determine identity.

11:55

What is that The immediate field

11:57

test to identify identity

11:59

off and relies on what we've

12:01

been talking about before. Pre

12:04

injuries that could be the repair

12:07

of an injury. Sometimes they will put

12:09

a metal plate in the leg to fix

12:11

it, and that metal plate will have a serial

12:13

number on it. We could remove the plate,

12:16

find the serial number, look that serial

12:18

number up and it'll tell us the doctor,

12:20

the patient, and when it was placed inside

12:23

that leg, and then we could identify the person

12:25

that way. The field identification

12:29

could be something as simple as stature.

12:32

You know, is this a male, is it a female?

12:34

Is it an old person? Is it a younger

12:36

person? You know, the Red Crust

12:38

does do excellent work, but

12:41

there they go by an

12:43

anatomical type of

12:46

identification process, where the

12:48

scientific community now embraces a

12:50

molecular or radiologic

12:53

type of modality,

12:57

you know, just to identify somebody. What do you mean

13:00

the two modalities to identify?

13:04

You said, radiologic in one other, right,

13:06

So a DNA

13:08

type of identiclecular

13:12

radiologic is an X rays. That where you're saying

13:16

DNA,

13:18

I hear you. So you got X rays, you got

13:21

DNA, you have on tattoos,

13:24

you have clothing, you have teeth

13:28

work, whether somebody had a cavity in the

13:30

fifth grade, whether they were bracest orthodontia,

13:33

all of that can help identify someone if

13:36

you don't have DNA already. We know

13:38

for a fact, I don't know how her body was

13:41

identified, but Naomi

13:43

Erian, a teen girl

13:45

missing out a furnly, Nevada, her mother

13:48

begged for help. Her

13:51

remains have been found at what has

13:53

been described as a quote

13:56

grave site. As Karen

13:58

L. Smith, forensic expert, has pointed out accurately,

14:01

some tool would have to have been

14:04

used to dig a hole to

14:06

put this young girl in. Can't

14:09

do it with your hands now.

14:12

I want to find out more about the fact that

14:14

it is a remote area.

14:17

Karen L. Smith, There's so much

14:19

forensic evidence that can be learned gleaned

14:22

from the site. For instance,

14:24

I believe he had to have lived either

14:27

in the Friendly area or the Churchill

14:30

County area. I mean, why would he

14:32

go to that location? I mean, think about

14:34

Scott Peterson. He lived in

14:36

the Modesto area, but he

14:39

disposed of Lacy's body at a spot

14:41

familiar to him San

14:43

Francisco Bay where he routinely went

14:45

fishing. What do you make of it

14:48

and what if anything forensically can't we learn

14:50

from the grave site? I agree, you

14:52

know, you deal with these perpetrators and most

14:55

often they will stay in an area that

14:57

is familiar to them. However,

15:00

are away that might extend as

15:02

far as the grave site, Nancy,

15:04

this is a desert location. You're

15:07

dealing with either loose dirt or hard

15:09

compact dirt and clay. You've

15:12

got shoeprints, possible tire

15:14

tracks. You know. Sometimes

15:17

these perps will dispose of something

15:19

like maybe a cigarette butt or a soda

15:21

can in the grave site. I found receipts

15:23

in grave sites that were disposed of with the body,

15:26

and all of those clues can lead back

15:28

to the person who did it. So they're going

15:30

to have to sift through every single speck

15:33

of that grave site, which I'm sure they're doing. They

15:35

use fine sifters, and they go scoop

15:37

scoop by stoop, bucketful by boocketful, looking

15:40

for bullet shell casing, looking

15:42

for small bones, looking

15:45

for clothing items and jewelry

15:48

and any other evidence that might have

15:50

been disposed of in that grave site.

15:52

It's a long walk, Nancy, but they're

15:54

going to get the job done. Thy to Alexis Terreste

15:56

joining us from crime online dot Com. I'm still intrigued

15:59

about who called in

16:01

the tip. Take a listen now

16:03

to our friend Brian Inton.

16:06

What we've learned from the Churchill County Sheriff's

16:08

office is that yesterday they

16:10

followed up on what they called an investigative

16:13

tip that took them out to a very very rural

16:15

part of the county. They found a grave site,

16:18

they found a body. It was taken

16:20

to the medical Examiner's office, and today they

16:22

were able to officially identify

16:24

the body as Naomi's. You remember we've

16:26

been covering the story all week. She is an eighteen

16:29

year old woman. She is

16:31

the daughter of a US diplomat. She lived

16:33

all over the world and recently

16:35

moved here to Nevada to live with her

16:38

older brother because she wanted a more normal life

16:40

she was used to living on these American diplomatic

16:42

compounds. She wanted to go to college,

16:45

she wanted to buy a car, she wanted

16:48

to have a boyfriend. And she was in the Walmart

16:50

parking lot back on March twelfth

16:53

when she was kidnapped. This young girl had

16:55

been very, very sheltered. According to

16:57

what her mother, or Diana, told us,

16:59

they had lived all over the world,

17:02

but always within a very tightly

17:04

knit diplomatic

17:07

community, going to certain schools,

17:09

to American schools. She finally

17:12

wanted to live with her brother in America

17:14

and be like quote every other American

17:17

team. Take a listen

17:19

now as we analyze

17:21

what happened the morning she goes

17:23

missing. Take a listen to

17:25

Ashley Graham's kolo.

17:28

Naomi Erion went missing around

17:30

five in the morning on March twelfth

17:33

from the Walmart parking lot. Infernly,

17:36

her brother didn't realize she was gone

17:38

until the next day, on

17:40

Sunday night. I wanted to talk to her, so

17:43

I was waiting for her to come home from work,

17:45

and she never came. Here's a

17:47

photo of Naomi in June when she

17:49

graduated from high school. She now

17:51

lives with her brother and she was last

17:53

seen on her way to work, and they confirmed

17:56

that she had missed her ships set bill

17:58

Saturday and Sunday, which

18:01

was really unusual. My

18:03

daughter was extremely reliable. Her

18:05

brother, Casey Valley, was worried

18:07

when she didn't come home. He traced

18:09

her steps and went to the bus stop

18:12

at the Walmart where Naomi usually

18:14

hitched a ride to work in the Reno

18:16

Sparks area.

18:19

Guys, this is a girl that

18:21

has just graduated from

18:23

high school. Graduated

18:27

from high school. She

18:30

was working a job at a Panasonic

18:35

a Panasonic center where she

18:37

actually would put on what looks like

18:39

a hazmat suit and put

18:42

together build batteries for Panasonic.

18:46

She wanted the I

18:48

guess stereotypical life of an

18:50

American teen, and

18:53

this is what happened. At

18:56

five o'clock in the morning, she

18:58

has managed to get herself to a Walmart

19:01

parking lot, waiting on a shuttle

19:03

bus to go to Panasonic. She's

19:05

sitting in her car, it's dark outside,

19:08

She's playing on Snapchat or

19:11

Facebook or Insta

19:13

and doesn't notice a

19:15

man stalking her.

19:19

No one would have known had

19:21

it not been for the Walmart parking

19:23

lot surveillance video.

19:26

Listen to our forensic kolo.

19:29

Walmart had surveillance video and shared

19:31

it with Casey. Here's a snapshot of

19:33

that video showing the suspect. Casey

19:36

says, the video shows this man getting

19:38

into Naomi's car and driving

19:40

off with her in the passenger seat. Once

19:43

we found the footage, which

19:46

appears to be nondescript

19:50

mail an average

19:52

high average build, completely covered

19:54

up with a mask in the hood, and Casey

19:57

says, no one recognizes the man

19:59

in the video. Some

20:01

monster takes them.

20:05

You don't know what's happened. You

20:08

don't know where they are and

20:10

nobody had been noticed she was missing. Naomi's

20:13

mom feels helpless. She lives

20:15

in South Africa and can only sit on

20:17

the sidelines waiting for her son to

20:19

call with any information. Just

20:21

he tells me everything that he knows as soon

20:23

as he knows it. That Walmart surveillance.

20:26

The video was very, very

20:29

chilling to Alexis Terres Chuck, please

20:31

describe it. So it's a Blackmart video.

20:34

You can see her, I'm

20:37

sorry, you can see him, and he's kind of pacing around

20:40

the Walmart parking lot. It's five thirty in the morning,

20:42

remember that, So it's not light yet. There are not

20:44

a lot of people there. Actually, I'm glad you brought that

20:46

up, Alexis, because the Walmart

20:49

video shows

20:51

that it's dark outside. And

20:53

what almost broke my heart as we learned

20:56

that this little girl just graduated from

20:58

high school. But go try to park

21:00

under a lance a street

21:03

light in the Walmart parking a while. We've

21:05

all seen them, because she thought

21:07

it would be safer. Take a

21:09

listen to our cut three our

21:11

physic Khut not

21:14

shared, according to the family in a local TV

21:16

interview, is video of him forcing

21:19

his way into her car. This

21:21

person did say or do something

21:24

to Naomi to make her move over

21:26

from the driver's side to the passenger's

21:29

side. This wasn't chance. This

21:31

was something that he was thinking about,

21:33

and he was very suspicious looking.

21:36

Arion's four door Sedan was later

21:38

found in this industrial area where

21:40

it was processed and from where authorities

21:43

believed the suspect may have driven away

21:45

in this dark Chevy pickup. We

21:47

have no idea where she is. She's been

21:49

missing for almost a week. Cartwright,

21:51

who flew to Nevada to help in the search, believes

21:54

someone may have betrayed Naomi's

21:57

trusting nature. I can't think about

21:59

how it will end to other than us

22:01

finding my sister. Two days after

22:03

Naomi disappears, her car

22:06

is found. Take a listen to our cut seven

22:08

kolo. Two days after Naomi

22:11

disappeared, Lyon County deputies

22:13

found her car in the industrial

22:15

park and friendly. The

22:17

Sheriff's office says evidence found

22:20

in the car indicates criminal activity.

22:23

Her family assumes that because

22:25

of what Naomi is not doing. She's

22:27

eighteen, she's always on social media

22:30

constantly, and she

22:32

has not been on social media since Saturday

22:34

morning. We can't

22:36

lose sight of what's really

22:39

important, and that's Naomi's life

22:42

and time's ticket.

22:46

We're out of time. To doctor

22:48

Debbie Doofie Las psychologists joining

22:51

us from Columbia University. Doctor

22:53

Debbie, we've talked many times about

22:57

routine evidence, which is not to say

22:59

typical evidence of routine

23:01

behavioral evidence. The fact

23:03

that this girl went dark on

23:05

social media was significant

23:08

to her mother, and rightly so.

23:10

Yeah, if there is something a

23:12

person engages in regularly,

23:15

enjoys it and then stops

23:18

without any warning or indication, why,

23:21

Yeah, the mother was spot on in

23:24

hearing her alarm bells go off lovely,

23:26

you know, Wendy Patta, we have analyzed

23:29

criminal behavior thousands

23:31

countless times. What

23:34

do you make of the purpose behavior?

23:37

As he stood and stared

23:39

at her car and her sitting

23:41

there in the dark under the

23:44

parking lot light, just

23:46

tapping away on Snapchat? What do

23:48

you make of that? Had he seen her

23:50

before? Why was he in the parking

23:53

lot at five o'clock in the morning. You know, In a

23:55

word, I think it goes to premeditation. What

23:57

it shows is him thinking, stratgizing,

24:00

planning, plotting, looking at that vulnerability

24:04

that people have when they're tied to their phones, whether

24:06

they're on social media or making a

24:08

call. He took advantage of that level

24:10

of distraction to make his move.

24:13

So it really looks like it wasn't

24:15

random whether or not he knew her. I mean, we'll probably

24:17

find out more about that, but regardless,

24:20

he saw a vulnerable victim and

24:22

he went in for the kill. It may have been dark

24:25

outside, but thankfully there was at

24:27

least enough light that we can argue he knew

24:29

what he was looking at, knew what he was doing, and probably

24:31

knew what he planned to do. Karen Smith,

24:34

you're the forensics expert. Way in this is

24:36

what I'm hearing, Nancy. You have a primary

24:38

crime scene in her car. That is

24:40

the primary crime scene. They say they found

24:43

evidence of a struggle or evidence

24:45

of something horrible that happened in the car that

24:47

tells me it's blood. Then you have the car

24:49

found at this paint manufacturing company.

24:52

Okay, WHOA, You're right

24:54

hold on. They absolutely

24:57

said at the beginning, there's evans

24:59

in the car that convinces us

25:01

this is of a criminal nature. Franch,

25:03

she didn't just meet a guy and take off, That's right.

25:05

Your assumption is that it's blood,

25:08

Well, it would have to be something visible

25:10

or something that could be detected with luminole,

25:13

or how about if her car was simply

25:15

in disarrayt Okay, so that's a good possibility.

25:17

Have been a struggle, absolutely, let's go

25:19

there. What I was gonna say was you have

25:21

a secondary crime scene in this pickup truck.

25:24

Was that parked there strategically so

25:27

that this perpetrator could use

25:29

that to haul her body fifty

25:31

six miles to the burial site. This

25:33

was definitely premeditated. This

25:35

wasn't something off the cuff, Nancy. Well,

25:37

another thing is it's been

25:40

said he walked up from a homeless encampment.

25:42

But I don't think this guy was homeless,

25:45

And I'll tell you why, because he had access

25:47

to another vehicle after he

25:49

ditches her car at an industrial

25:52

park, which I find significant too.

25:54

He knew to go to an industrial

25:56

park or her car would not be noticed

25:59

for a couple of days, and it wasn't,

26:01

and he had access to another car. A

26:03

homeless person does not have access to

26:06

a pickup truck. I agree. This

26:09

is not a homeless person. This is somebody who

26:12

has planned this. And I don't know if he was

26:14

stalking her, if it was a you

26:17

know, spur of the moment thing. As far as him

26:20

watching for someone or a young girl

26:23

period, I don't know what in the world

26:25

could he have said to her to make her move

26:28

over. I don't under maybe

26:30

threatened her with a gun. Absolutely

26:33

he had some kind of implement, whether it was a gun,

26:35

a knife, the implication that

26:37

he had a weapon with him. You

26:39

know, I don't know how big this man

26:41

is, but if you know a girl and you have

26:44

a man threatening you or saying something

26:46

to you, or displaying a weapon to

26:48

you, that's where my mind

26:50

goes crime

27:05

stories with Nancy Grace. This

27:12

is what we know right now. The

27:14

remains of this teen girl just

27:17

graduating from high school have

27:19

been found in a shallow grave

27:22

hastily dug in Churchill

27:26

County. That's about an hour

27:28

fifteen minutes drive away from

27:30

her home where she lived with her older brother

27:33

in Fernley, Nevada.

27:37

What does that tell us about the purp Was

27:39

he from Churchill County? Did

27:42

he kill her at his home

27:44

in Churchill County? I'm

27:47

thinking specifically of how

27:49

we can obtain forensic evidence,

27:52

but in the last hours we

27:54

also learn of a suspect.

27:57

Take a listen to our cut twenty six

27:59

Our Friends Inside edition. A suspect

28:01

is in custody accused of abducting

28:03

a Nevada woman. Two weeks ago, forty

28:06

one year old Troy driver was arrested

28:09

and charged with kidnapping by the Lion

28:11

County Sheriff's Office. Eighteen

28:13

year old Naomi Erion has not yet

28:16

been located. She was last

28:18

seen on surveillance video pulling into

28:20

the parking lot of a Walmart where

28:22

she usually parked her car to catch a bus

28:24

to work. Police released video

28:26

of the suspect they believe got in

28:28

her car and left the morning

28:30

of March twelfth. They also

28:33

released images of the vehicle they believe

28:35

he was driving. Authorities

28:37

say they have also located the pickup

28:39

truck they believe was leaving the scene where

28:41

Naomi's car was later found. Naomi's

28:45

friends and family continue to hold out

28:47

hope she will be found, and volunteer

28:49

search efforts resumed to locate her.

28:51

Anyone with information is still asked

28:54

to call the Lion County Sheriff's Office.

28:56

At this point, that information would be what

28:58

you know about forty one year old

29:01

con That's right, he's

29:04

a felon Troy driver.

29:07

A guarantee you. Surveillance video

29:09

picked him up leaving with

29:12

her from that industrial park.

29:15

Does it show him struggling

29:17

with her? Does it show him

29:19

with a gun to her back? How

29:21

did he get her from her car

29:24

into a truck? Was

29:27

she already dead? What

29:30

is the cause of death? How have they

29:32

linked him Troy Driver

29:35

to her? Is

29:37

it because of his car? To Alexis

29:40

Tersche joining us from cime online dot com,

29:42

what do we know about forty

29:45

one year old Troy Driver. What

29:48

we know is he has just finished

29:51

serving a fifteen year

29:53

sentence for murder that he

29:55

committed when he was seventeen years old.

29:58

So he has had a lifetime

30:00

of crime. In fact, so when

30:02

he was seventeen years old, he was sentenced

30:04

for a murder of a mass

30:07

dealer, and he also pleaded

30:09

guilty to three charges of second degree

30:12

robbery of a Circle K convenience store

30:14

and a Chevron service station as

30:16

well as breaking into a hardware store. So this

30:19

location where he committed this time where

30:21

he kidnapped Naomi and the murder her is

30:23

very well known to him because this is where he started

30:25

off his life of crime. So he knows that

30:27

these are vulnerable areas Are

30:30

you talking about the Walmart parking lot

30:33

near Fernley or are you talking about Churchill County

30:36

the Walmart parking lot. I'm also curious

30:38

where he did his time. I wonder

30:40

if that was near where her body

30:42

was found. I mean, I'm trying

30:44

to get it evidence, That's what I'm

30:46

talking about it. Did he kill

30:48

her in Churchill County? Did he kill

30:51

her before she was even taken out of her car?

30:53

Did he take her somewhere and torture

30:56

or rape her? Is there evidence

30:58

there? I'm looking at a conviction,

31:01

the possibility of convicting

31:03

this guy isn't him? How

31:05

do we know it's him? Regarding

31:09

his criminal history, take a listen to

31:11

our friend Paul Nelson katv

31:13

in two. He served time in prison for

31:15

his role in nineteen ninety seven murder in Willits,

31:17

California. Driver was just seventeen

31:20

at the time. According to old articles,

31:22

he pleaded guilty to accessory to murder

31:24

after the fact and a string of robberies.

31:26

A judge sentenced him to fifteen years in prison,

31:29

but he may have only he may have been released

31:31

after or after twelve years. The

31:33

suspect of Naomi Irion's kidnapping

31:35

is in the Lion County jail. According

31:37

to the Ucaiah Daily Journal, Troy Driver

31:40

served time in prison for helping cover up a murder

31:42

in nineteen ninety seven. It says

31:44

he helped put the body of an alleged drug dealer

31:46

in a car trunk then dumped him in the woods.

31:49

It is upsetting to me that there's people

31:52

out here in the general public that

31:54

has these capabilities, with this kind of past.

31:56

The forty one year old was arrested Friday

31:58

in Fallon and his if you pickup was impounded

32:01

for evidence. Valley doesn't expect him

32:03

to tell detectives where erion is. I

32:05

would just try to relate

32:07

to him as someone that also has family

32:10

and ask him to put himself

32:12

in our shoes. Well, apparently that

32:15

didn't work. This guy's been in the

32:17

pen before. He is not going to tell

32:19

where the body is. However,

32:21

a tipster calls in and the

32:23

remains of this teen girl just out

32:25

of high school have been found.

32:27

Now I just learned a lot.

32:30

I want to go to Karen Smith. We

32:33

know he's already put one victim in

32:35

his last go around after a string

32:37

of robberies and a murder

32:40

being involved in a murder, he puts

32:42

the victim in a car trunk

32:45

and then dumps the body in the

32:47

woods. You know what, That's

32:49

what I call a similar transaction,

32:52

transporting a homicide

32:54

victim in a vehicle and

32:57

then dumping the body like it's trash

33:00

out of some remote location. Same

33:02

thing here, right, And he escalated

33:05

because now it was a shallow grave, Nancy,

33:07

it wasn't just dumping it in the woods.

33:09

Now he's trying to cover up his crimes. This

33:11

is not foreign to him. He's a monster.

33:15

You know. The forensics, as far as I'm concerned,

33:17

we have the linkage principle, the victim,

33:20

the crime scene, to the suspect, and

33:22

you link those three things. Touch DNA,

33:25

blood stains his truck, if

33:27

that's his truck. You know, all of these

33:29

different things that the crime scene investigators

33:31

and detectives are going to be doing. To put

33:34

him in that truck, to put him in her

33:36

car, to put him at the scene at the time

33:38

of the crime. That's exactly what their job

33:40

is. I have no doubt they're going to do it. I

33:42

think I know what

33:45

was found in her vehicle, because

33:48

before her body was even found,

33:52

we know that he was charged with

33:56

kidnapping this

33:58

young girl, and

34:01

he was also charged with kidnapping

34:03

for the purpose of sex assaulting.

34:07

So something in that car, whether it

34:09

was her clothing, her underwear,

34:13

something that would suggest

34:15

to police she was kidnapped

34:18

to be raped. That's

34:20

what I think is in the car.

34:23

Yes, absolutely,

34:26

And it's not hard to financing if you have

34:28

a seaman stain. For instance, to use the alternate

34:30

light source, which is just a rainbow in a box

34:33

is what I call it. You use a blue light

34:35

with orange goggles and that stain will

34:37

luminess. You take a sample

34:39

of it, You cut the entire cushion of the car out.

34:41

If that's where it is, you take the entire piece of clothing

34:44

you have DNA, run on that stain and there

34:46

you go. Jackie, while we're

34:48

talking, could you look up the location

34:51

of will Its, California, willl

34:54

I t s. I think I know where it

34:56

is, but I'm not sure as it

34:58

relates to Friendly,

35:02

Nevada

35:04

or Churchill County, Nevada.

35:07

Because he did a prison

35:09

for a ninety seven murder in Willits,

35:12

California. Five

35:14

hours. Okay, that's

35:17

not really going to help me. But what is helping me

35:19

prove or disprove his guilt. Is

35:22

the similarity in the modus operandi,

35:25

the method of operation in

35:27

that case, putting a murder victim

35:29

in a vehicle, then dumping the body

35:32

at a remote location, same exact

35:35

m Speaking

35:37

of the previous murder victim to doctor

35:39

Tim Gallagher, I wonder if

35:42

his ninety seven murder victim

35:44

was killed in the same way this team

35:46

girl was killed. How can

35:48

we determine Naomi Irrian's

35:52

cause of death. She's

35:54

been in the elements for a couple

35:56

of weeks, now, Well, that's

35:58

going to require obvious an autopsy.

36:01

And the thing about

36:03

what the evidence will show

36:05

during the autopsy is that the marks

36:07

that were made on the body while it was alive

36:10

are still going to be thing her regardless

36:13

of the decomposition. So if

36:16

she was strangled, she would

36:18

have damage around her neck,

36:20

she would have marks around her neck to show

36:22

us that. If she was bludging

36:25

to depths, she would still retain the skin

36:28

breakage and the broken bones underneath.

36:32

If she was shot, she may retain

36:34

the metallic projectile, she may retain

36:36

the bullet within her. If she was stabbed, she

36:38

would have those type of injuries.

36:41

So even though there is decomposition.

36:44

Medical science has advanced to such a degree

36:46

now that that's of very little

36:48

consequence in trying to determine the cause

36:50

of death. I'm getting information

36:53

now from Jackie that they

36:55

first victim

36:58

was shot. Interesting,

37:03

I'm I'm getting

37:05

signals that Naomi may

37:08

have died a strangulation

37:10

death, be at manual or ligature. We

37:12

wait to find out about that. Believe

37:15

it or not, this guy's actually trying to get

37:17

bond. Take a listen to our cut twenty

37:20

eight. This is ed pierced from Colo eight.

37:24

For most of us, forty one year old Troy

37:26

Edward Driver has been little more than a name

37:28

and a mugshot since his arrest last Friday.

37:31

Disappearance in Firmly Justice Court

37:33

was by zoom from the county jail. He

37:35

said little, just one word answer was affirming

37:38

his name and receipt of the criminal

37:40

complaint. Still seeing him,

37:42

even on a screen was jarring for members

37:44

of eighteen year old Naomi Arian's

37:46

family in the courtroom. You know, having

37:48

his face up there is a little bit of a shock,

37:52

but he's

37:54

just a human. Of greater concern was

37:56

the possibility Driver might be released.

37:59

He's being held seven hundred and fifty

38:01

thousand dollars bail. His attorney

38:03

deferred any argument on the issue, but as

38:05

things now stand, if he or

38:07

his family posts fifteen percent of that

38:09

amount, he could be released. If that

38:11

happened, Firmly, Justice of the Piece Laurie

38:13

Matthews said it would be with severe restrictions,

38:16

including wearing a GPS monitor, avoiding

38:18

the town of Firmly altogether, but for court

38:21

appearances and a daily check in

38:23

with authorities. Now to

38:25

doctor Debbie Joffey ellis psychologist,

38:27

professor Columbia University and author,

38:31

Doctor Debbie, you

38:33

think after a guy has

38:35

done time hard jail time

38:39

being implicated in a murder and a string

38:41

of robberies, then he

38:43

would do anything not to

38:45

go back to jail. Right.

38:48

Sounds highly likely? Yep, Nancy,

38:51

Okay. I was expecting a little bit more from you other

38:53

than yep. Something like the thinking

38:56

that goes into the mind of a career criminal.

38:59

How they're not worried about going back

39:01

to jail. Their idea of my plan

39:03

not going back to jail is don't get caught,

39:05

instead of I'm not going to break the law.

39:08

Okay, take two. Right,

39:11

So why wouldn't the

39:13

plan be I'm going to get

39:15

a job. I'm not going to go back

39:17

to jail, So help me God in Heaven

39:20

instead of Wow, when I

39:22

kidnapped this girl and rapier murder her,

39:24

how can I not get caught and go back

39:26

to jail? Why? Apparently?

39:29

Well, one possibility would

39:32

be the urge to do

39:34

what he did is

39:37

more dominant than any tendency

39:39

to think things through regarding

39:42

avoiding this, that or the other. Obviously,

39:46

the thrill

39:49

or the potential satisfaction

39:52

he thought he would feel blinded

39:57

him from thinking things through

40:00

about being caught, not caught, avoiding

40:03

not avoiding. Okay,

40:05

we all have impulses,

40:08

like I have an urge right now, but I

40:12

can't really get my fingers around his

40:14

neck from this studio, So

40:17

I'm gonna have to control that impulse. Nancy

40:20

Gallagher, Right, Gallagher,

40:23

Mad, I could be

40:25

a psychological opinion. Okay, stop

40:27

everything, we're listening, well,

40:31

just just right, just my observations,

40:33

you know, and then maybe and then the forensic scientists

40:36

may or may not agree with me on this one. But

40:38

I've gotten to a lot of crime scenes where the

40:40

living conditions that these people live under

40:42

are just horrendous and actually

40:45

going to prison is is like getting

40:47

a step up. You know, they got in the meals,

40:51

they get the shelter, they get the social you

40:53

know, they get the social construct is there,

40:56

you know, So it's actually getting a step up.

40:58

Leaving prison is the bad thing. Going

41:00

back is always the goal, you know.

41:02

So that that's the mindset of some

41:04

of these people. And I offer

41:07

the forensic scientist on your panel how

41:09

to comment on that if that's your observations as

41:11

well, I agree, doctor

41:14

Tim Gallagher. Doctor Gallagher,

41:18

can I give you some friendly advice? I

41:20

mean, you're

41:22

renowned in a stay far more than myself

41:24

in your field. Um, but you

41:27

need to stick with being a medical examiner

41:29

because you're trying to tell me he kidnapped,

41:31

raped, and killed a teen girl just out of high

41:34

school so he could get a better crib.

41:37

Stop. Okay, you know, um,

41:40

no, listen, just

41:42

tell me so well. No, No, I've got a serious

41:45

question, A serious question. I don't

41:47

want to hear no offense, Doctor Gallagher.

41:50

Gallagher's musings on

41:53

a better ZIP code?

41:55

Okay, Karen, why

41:58

is the trunk so important?

42:00

Men? By the way, guys, I've got some more information

42:03

that I want to share with you this

42:05

guy actually has a linked in I

42:08

don't advise that you try to link with him

42:11

the alleged killer in this case, the convict

42:14

Troy Driver. He's got

42:16

a linked in page that

42:19

shows he worked in construction and for a mining

42:21

company and as a safety

42:23

coordinator and project

42:26

supervisor. And here we go. He

42:29

has also lived in Elko,

42:32

Nevada. I knew there had

42:34

to be a connection to him being infernally

42:37

to him disposing of her body in Churchill

42:39

County. He lived

42:42

in Elko. Can you look it up for me real quick? How

42:44

close is Elko to Churchill

42:47

County? What were you saying? I was

42:49

going to say that the doc he

42:51

does have a valid point in that he's been

42:53

institutionalized. He's been in prison what twelve

42:55

fifteen years? So yeah, that's

42:57

a valid point that if he does get caught,

42:59

he knows what to expect. However, as

43:02

I said before, he escalated

43:04

this time, he buried the body

43:07

as opposed to leaving it somewhere else where

43:09

it would be readily found. So

43:11

that tells me that he's, you

43:13

know, his psyche has developed to the point

43:15

where now I'm going to hide the body regardless

43:17

of whether or not he was familiar with the area. That

43:19

was for the detective end you, of course, Nancy Grace,

43:22

to find out whether or not he was familiar

43:24

with that area. So yeah, I can see

43:26

that point got

43:28

me an answer from Elko

43:31

to firmly it is three

43:33

hours from Elko to Churchill

43:35

County. It's four hours he

43:38

need this area. It sounds like a triangle

43:42

for right now, Troy Driver is

43:44

still behind bars. They're actually

43:46

discussing whether he could be released with an ankle

43:49

monitor. Really murder

43:51

number two. You know what,

43:53

judge, you take him home with you.

43:56

We wait until Driver goes

43:59

to trial. Fancy Grace friand

44:01

the story signing off he by