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mona from on the save that

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way of front as men sale of thing

3:59

as mansour an arm

4:01

and so on the other tenants let

4:04

me let me see how this looks

4:06

no think this is where we

4:08

crashed

4:17

a few weeks ago we drove down to l a

4:19

x to go visit spot the has a lot

4:21

significance in july for alliance and

4:23

it's place as that

4:24

about for years , never

4:26

seen yeah

4:28

this yeah place where it all

4:31

when bay

4:35

you want to work can set the scene for us

4:38

it was nineteen ninety seven when

4:41

we were in a black jeep cherokee i've

4:43

heard about this cherokee man it was a nice years

4:46

it , much here t but i had

4:48

a war based on my

4:50

traffic tickets so i

4:52

was not the driver does night driver does sitting

4:54

behind the driver in bag passengers

4:57

next

4:59

to me was my

5:02

, business partner best friend from

5:04

a little housed godfather

5:06

of his kids kids

5:09

dude was real insightful

5:12

kind of genius type zoo you know

5:14

he was you know important

5:17

person in my life you know in

5:19

front of him which is the passenger

5:22

seat in the front rain was my boy via

5:25

an actual drivers was superior

5:31

and why were you are driving

5:33

together i guess the

5:35

quickly we was up

5:37

, some nefarious activities

5:42

can

5:45

we were in memory here

5:47

my memory here is

5:51

we came down the

5:53

, street marine marine

5:56

a high rate speed and

6:00

the lose three right here maybe

6:02

a little or maybe they made a little ronan

6:04

the of for mona last where the driver

6:08

think , to turn turn

6:10

a jeep cherokee at high rate

6:12

and a came upon this corona

6:15

highly he won't he but

6:17

came upon he curb ran

6:19

foodies bushes and

6:22

this ran is that

6:26

my last memory their moment was

6:29

when the car crashed for

6:32

some reason from ,

6:34

where nobody nobody was i

6:36

mean doing open i

6:39

had searched him on his hey and i'm like

6:41

come this way you

6:45

know you be says gonna be a ,

6:47

ruins you know whatever getaway you

6:50

may not not our our

6:52

think i was prepared

6:54

to start hearing gunshots

6:59

amarillo woods and nato for

7:02

this is your herself and px his

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radio tokyo

7:12

in this episode

7:15

just like the one before we are talking

7:17

about memories these really

7:20

specific memories that people

7:22

have about something that happened to them before

7:24

they came to prison

7:26

the pre prison memories are barely

7:28

knew he had knives you know you can

7:30

a replay of over and over why you're

7:32

inside the

7:33

day we got two stories about these kind

7:35

memories and first one the

7:38

yeah i don't think

7:40

ever told the story in

7:42

fall on the show before but i don't believe

7:44

i have these summerlin how

7:47

should i nefarious activities can

7:49

you like serve outline the evening for us

7:52

who , go on bags and years i

7:54

now so on december

7:57

twenty seven nineteen ninety seven

8:00

ah i'm mayor my partner's

8:02

we needed , vehicle

8:04

to do something the and you know and

8:08

and decided like a and

8:10

know is a nice suburb

8:12

in this is where we need so ah

8:15

we followed his got home and right

8:17

around a corner him

8:20

him a boy firman ran

8:22

around corner and when guy

8:24

had got out his his you the

8:27

crept , on him and hit him with football

8:29

hit you know like you tackle

8:31

him under ground here but just with my form just

8:33

hit with my form

8:35

and when i jumped up i had

8:37

gun my waist bay and

8:40

puma gone out and when

8:42

ideas that all bullet is fill out

8:44

the bottom of clear

8:47

the am upon as we'd like how many you know

8:49

was banned in a cure for it is that we avoided

8:51

the whole thing you don't have same picked bulletin

8:54

me fireman live we went jumped in the car

8:56

we was just laughing about what happened we

8:59

we a new laughing

9:01

yeah i mean you know that was

9:03

funny but devils you gotta look bigger by the

9:05

like today i am i have more empathy but

9:07

then i was in my criminal element

9:11

though family happened so

9:14

, we were leaving i guess

9:16

they gotta make on car so we got

9:18

to dislike it was police day and police sound

9:20

light owners

9:23

we knew that we had a gun

9:25

car and it wasn't gonna

9:27

go well for us if we guess search so

9:30

we took off

9:35

the whole mission was to get

9:37

rid of gun and the and pullover

9:40

but before we can do that the

9:43

driver turn corner don't bus

9:45

seventy miles an hour and we crashed

9:47

into the bushes the

9:50

and it was it was nothing left do

9:52

with jump out and run

10:01

for some reason farm

10:03

, door when open open

10:06

was i mean doing open and

10:09

i had opened my door and

10:11

i had searched him on his hey and

10:13

like come this way as

10:16

, door open he

10:19

went that way and i are we my way

10:22

they

10:23

had helicopters everything he'll chase

10:25

an associate of non poly so soon

10:27

as we jumped , at

10:29

us is hannah we jumped out out

10:31

started hearing started

10:34

has we're run in this way this

10:37

mean i don't know seem like they never ended in

10:39

on him since him was on him

10:41

of forty one shots fired at us

10:46

in an aloe shots five

10:48

of them hid from and

10:50

in one hit me and

10:53

from and he died as result of his injury

10:58

the biggest thing i had to do who's

11:02

call from wife and hello

11:07

everything changed in a moment you know them

11:09

say ally business

11:12

is no way you could process everything is no way

11:14

you can you know figuring

11:16

out then you can do is say is like

11:19

five what was it all four of all all

11:21

of is alison photos of the civil you

11:23

know why was beyond his trajectory

11:27

what was your last vision of like was

11:29

less than

11:30

from in his ,

11:33

in hand and in bag saddam of because

11:35

he was trying get out with this hand and this

11:37

here was sitting on a seat in that

11:40

was the last time was the some of what i was

11:42

the last time know i've seen him

11:47

in all those years

11:49

i probably had wanted to dreams

11:51

about berman and

11:53

, one dreamed that i remember which was

11:55

funny and month ago he

11:59

was in heaven

12:01

and he told he was right nor and be so

12:03

this is a

12:06

, kids these have what it was i do

12:08

good to does see i'm a doctor when

12:11

you know of than and and

12:13

even though the dream it was is something that

12:15

is don't own to for years

12:28

my name is ryan for gone i

12:30

am thirty four years old and

12:34

i've been incarcerated for

12:36

fifteen years and

12:40

are you are more oh no no i should say

12:42

hello to where i was nineteen

12:44

when came in no

12:48

the last memories it's

12:51

it's

12:52

it's weird right because it's

12:54

it's a good memory that comes from

12:56

a the bad

12:59

memory

13:02

on the run

13:05

for murder i told

13:08

my parents to go ahead and lead the

13:10

please know that i was gonna turn myself

13:12

in and then exchange for

13:14

doing that just let me have one

13:16

last darryl my family

13:20

running or sound media lab day

13:22

and nearest and same clinton i

13:25

i don't know him very well

13:27

because he hasn't been there long but

13:29

like when you see him he's like this well

13:31

put together sort of polite looking

13:33

young man

13:35

everyday things are tougher saw the

13:38

earlier area he obviously cares a lot about

13:40

books and do

13:44

he presents himself an essay

13:47

professional see put together soft

13:49

spoken since i mean since can say that probably

13:51

never teams he wanted everything's me

13:53

nice and clean am no wrinkles

13:56

oh my gosh his shoes you couldn't

13:58

i tried to sue like that his

14:00

pride and joy

14:02

this is ryan sister astley and

14:04

then his books him

14:07

bucks will never have a crease then

14:10

i ask him how do you read them

14:13

i need to have my book wide open but

14:15

him as is like this wide skeeter

14:17

don't have crease on but he doesn't

14:19

want to ruin the pages that cytokines

14:21

mean that is exactly how lets there's no creativeness

14:23

a success as an aside it can

14:25

deal with aging he might

14:26

like wrinkles when leave his assailant specific

14:29

what about your

14:31

sister introduced me to ask me spatially

14:36

ashley's is

14:39

about five seven she's

14:41

light skin

14:44

she also has said the

14:47

care these

14:49

are we play lot and i know

14:51

we to be rough these the wiser

14:55

davey davey when it was davidow you as

14:57

an hour

14:58

i wanted like trials moves honor sauce

15:01

with us a foot

15:03

got twitter states twitter states that sort of

15:06

up leaving have like stage

15:08

name same as you actually look

15:10

up bear at that's where we would wrestle

15:12

their assists in second story

15:15

we have loft and so that was our ring

15:17

right there

15:20

if you remember your wrestling name six hundred

15:22

remember them she said you had wrestling names

15:24

for success as fast as

15:27

a success

15:29

i get away she told you that yeah

15:32

, remember i remember as

15:35

a girl girl mom was dumb

15:37

like jean sir the gene see some

15:39

like that like ,

15:41

that it was like age or some my dad

15:44

on of

15:46

he would you are all it is a sound effects mickey

15:48

was a movie set up a fight it

15:50

when you were really little

15:52

the remember what kinds of sounds used to make

15:55

ah was ours good at making

15:58

down effect for dime for fighting

16:00

for punches cz

16:02

, us how guy is

16:04

scarce it's it's

16:06

sea of yes assess

16:08

gimme gimme will like there's two people fighting

16:10

and space and of

16:14

a fighting of says i can't it

16:16

says doing such

16:20

a like fight see last

16:23

a six year

16:25

old like to sit on saturday

16:27

and as a given now they're nine space and exciting

16:30

okay just like regular five i think i'm

16:32

same noise and take dogs

16:35

ssssss as that sense

16:38

it's what to say so

16:44

the would always joking around just making

16:46

funny little noises

16:48

and and dance moves like the

16:50

it was always him

16:52

they kept the house very live

16:54

and to see now i'm

16:57

right

17:00

they put a lot of changes in our

17:02

lives

17:04

right now

17:06

, his lot of sadness anger

17:10

know why

17:12

in is ryan's

17:16

dad is in his six he just

17:18

retired after a career in merchant marines

17:20

i remember i was a little intimidated

17:23

at first but then warmed up my

17:27

dad used

17:30

the big man maybe

17:32

six one a heavy said

17:35

we resemble each other a lot

17:38

i don't know how looks now what remember he

17:40

always has like a go t

17:42

know a for air

17:46

not as dark as me i'm i'm i'm

17:48

really brown is lighter than me

17:51

on he has has

17:53

new york accent he's

17:56

from brooklyn what think said about

17:58

you

18:00

hi always a good kid

18:03

you know he just made bad choices don't

18:06

get me wrong right good

18:08

the good son he's good boy

18:11

the years this may bad

18:13

decisions

18:15

in high school you're playing

18:17

football

18:19

he was track ,

18:21

compete compete know you won't

18:23

give up until he wins he

18:26

, when you graduate we gotta

18:28

my are both swagger besides

18:30

fluid

18:32

driver ever go

18:34

, college and he was

18:37

he was he was going

18:39

to college

18:41

according to his dad and sister brain

18:43

has been doing well he seemed responsible

18:45

he was on track to become a firefighter

18:48

but then there was was point than

18:50

started hanging out with a different group

18:52

a cat

18:53

yeah that's where mr month feud

18:56

, few would have been okay not

18:58

get involved with his friends not he

19:00

could have been somebody by now

19:02

he changed dramatically he

19:04

ran from wearing the nicest

19:07

close make his theme way

19:09

that guess jeans he had to wear

19:11

it just seems and

19:13

arm and nice like button up sad

19:15

sir like during

19:17

to stories out there to just just to impress

19:20

and then he went from wearing hockey

19:24

greece turkey as to why sign

19:26

say right he's seen on driving

19:28

a nice to sign to now getting

19:30

his own car a cutlass

19:33

nice lad old talking we

19:36

sat in car as is the

19:39

look like adding the wrong directions

19:42

he looked at me says would mean as as the

19:45

way address now the me to

19:47

be like dressed up like denzel

19:51

now you went to homeboy

19:54

the item was going on here and

19:56

says nothing on on and

19:58

then i talk about his friends you bad

20:00

news is you don't know nothing about i'm so

20:02

need annoyed the bottom why

20:05

come from back east we

20:07

, how to read people he

20:10

keeping out different groupies here until

20:12

you gonna wind up dead or you know one with prison

20:14

for se a life

20:21

in two thousand seven ryan and

20:23

friend were out at bar when they got

20:25

into an argument with another group of guys

20:27

the site still down to the parking lot

20:29

and ryan pulled a gun out of trunk

20:31

of a car he chased one guy

20:34

who got away then he shot

20:36

and killed another before

20:38

he could be arrested ram went to his family

20:40

his their toll ryan that he needed to

20:42

disappear for wow

20:44

i come from a car family all

20:47

my cousins uncles do

20:49

all comes back in brooklyn new york the

20:54

radio all cops when

20:56

i heard what happened the

20:58

day hi

21:00

i'd always get him out town

21:02

from to assign out the truth because

21:04

i know how cancer the

21:07

very intimidating provoking

21:10

they'll write their own statement and make you sign

21:14

you know to confuse my sons and

21:17

i know that though

21:20

find out the truth and i

21:22

said i'm out at town when

21:24

guy lawyer we

21:26

are investigator the

21:28

loitering noise on his yeah bring

21:30

him and the idea because

21:33

a stomp you come back you

21:35

, go faced as things and

21:38

he's right

21:43

ryan was charged with first degree murder

21:45

the my wife

21:47

is the one at as sick as spend some time

21:50

when i was so why would he the

21:53

deck to say yes it's ,

21:55

to adapt obese

22:04

my last meal out there

22:06

was an apple bees

22:09

there , was in

22:12

different boots and last

22:14

yeah it's crazy i they were were

22:16

hitting think we're going to as yeah you yeah

22:19

they agree to they restaurant who's

22:22

sitting the a boost be

22:24

to boost down there were two

22:26

detectives the relaxing

22:28

eyes

22:32

that's not so weird i

22:34

, even recall if i ate is our most

22:36

you know oh this is someone's

22:38

watching as someone he knows watching ryan's

22:41

and it

22:44

was uncomfortable

22:49

for the other customers looking around like

22:51

what the heck is going on here

22:54

you know it up our , oblivious

22:56

to what was going on the room as like was

22:58

so focused on my family

23:00

because i knew what meant like like

23:03

is this my

23:05

last dinner with

23:07

my family so as

23:10

it's almost like the whole room was just

23:12

empty

23:18

so focused in on the

23:20

do that we were in that

23:22

i didn't really think

23:24

about the cops any other boost

23:28

there are not whole time i was on the runnels stressed

23:30

out i had this

23:33

this worry in your

23:37

and then i gotten that booth and like

23:39

all that was gone we

23:42

were laughing the reminiscing

23:44

on on the an old memories

23:48

i just remember it being like happy

23:52

it felt like there was bubble by we were

23:54

all in there the and

23:57

we just enjoyed the

24:00

moment

24:09

we ate there we talk we last

24:13

six and i just

24:15

think just think be so be the

24:17

only way we're here he we're

24:19

that day

24:22

at a burger for the a t burger

24:25

favorite meal i thought away

24:27

his arm that orange sick

24:29

and will

24:32

they said he thought it was orange chicken soup

24:34

but you said ate lot navy

24:35

orange chicken i need to burger to

24:37

physicist

24:41

the the time has quickly it

24:43

did it again and

24:45

know everyone

24:47

at our table did everything they can to

24:50

prolonging you know i

24:53

think you might even ordering more

24:55

stuff was

24:57

there any heard of you that the thought

25:01

this isn't gonna happen like when does meals over

25:05

reality didn't really said in itself

25:08

the check with paid i got up

25:10

and her her

25:16

mine has a picture from that last night it's

25:18

him his mom pressed up against each other

25:20

in a booth that apple these

25:24

it's me and my

25:26

mom and ,

25:29

some , a hug

25:31

in my mom in and and

25:34

it's like were smiling and

25:37

smiling look at him like now we look so happy

25:39

but i know that there's cops and the other booth

25:42

ready to take he way you know the

25:45

i felt like who you know a child

25:48

my mom and my family of self protected

25:52

i felt nothing

25:56

back in ever come

25:58

between us now

26:07

he

26:10

wanted to hold

26:12

my hand or or touch me as as

26:14

as much she could before i

26:16

, be taken away so

26:19

yeah that that's the last

26:22

the memory that i have

26:25

do

26:28

you remember the last time with that

26:30

yeah no games give a good hugs

26:33

nodes i was crying

26:36

animated that's my son anonymous

26:39

, not going to be what

26:41

us here

26:44

it was a missing puzzle to this whole family

26:47

specially my wife my wife

26:50

she took she took that very hard

26:53

and she takes it out every day and

26:56

i hear from her everyday nine

27:01

and as a piece that was missing out a heart

27:05

a

27:07

letter recipes but but

27:11

she was hoping she could see him before

27:13

she passed away and

27:16

guess not

27:21

long as he bingo in

27:23

two months to be a year she passed away in june

27:29

have been back to apple these if we

27:32

, all the time success success

27:36

assailants the my mom just like

27:38

though

27:38

have that piece or that connection are trying

27:40

to that was the last place the had spent

27:42

together we will go ask me as lot

27:46

the lot

27:46

apple

27:50

these this restaurant i know basis when

27:52

you have a specific them race

27:54

and that's all you have he just hold

27:56

on to it so i

27:58

think we were on how the i'm to

28:00

applebee it's not on the weekend i'll say one

28:02

bad thing like even if they have like

28:04

the yankees ,

28:06

are there many teens i can't i

28:09

don't recall us even saying all

28:11

apple these socks socks

28:13

her just i

28:15

believe spam

28:20

we're going to take short break when we get back

28:22

the two of us had ryan's house and

28:24

that are aligned or hear more about your story

28:26

to indy we we

28:54

ryan's currently

28:56

serving sentence of seventy two years

28:59

to life

29:00

his sister as we entered there's still

29:02

lives together in the same house will run

29:04

and as we grew up

29:05

it's not a call the sack street and

29:08

is like two stories and there's a two

29:10

or three car garage it was definitely

29:13

a i'm guessing like i better have it was

29:15

like a little mentioned and you can tell

29:17

that was a house that was meant for a big family

29:20

and they were remnants of that every

29:22

hey there was something kind of diminished

29:24

about it you know yeah

29:27

when any people

29:29

what happened with all of this things like how

29:31

did you deal with his presence in like

29:33

everything that was his was here

29:35

would he only hope we will have some of them

29:38

were we still have their fanatics my

29:40

mom left everything there for quite some time

29:43

in the room she don't want change anything

29:45

am see left the same way that right

29:47

how last day a day take time

29:49

for her to put stuff away and

29:52

maybe less is when is had leah

29:54

so

29:55

i'm a i'm a white design a website

29:58

to decide make data to there's room

30:00

got granddaughter yeah cities around

30:03

can keep empty rooms now

30:05

known dingoes i get a move

30:07

on

30:09

think not unlike when somebody dies just

30:11

seen their clothes and despair smell

30:14

is still there are the shape you

30:16

they they were certain socialists see the

30:18

shape of them in it on anyone

30:20

keep it but it also was really painful although

30:22

i'd be no my wife got rid of his own is

30:24

freaking khaki pants that he had

30:27

all , odds are there were in

30:29

a trash quick see regard

30:31

all that white shirts any sauces

30:34

if is this short slime but of is this long

30:36

white sox she got

30:38

good idea to death on this

30:40

issue for all

30:42

his his get rid of i see

30:44

about a court of his stuff that don't

30:47

want to see can

30:49

i just gave bad memories love

30:51

ryan and she loved our boy the

30:54

am and

30:57

the times at night she'd cry for and

31:00

i had to be right there and hours

31:03

a week i enjoyed sewing not them and

31:05

now i say went right down instances

31:07

yeah no i really really miss

31:09

some

31:12

it goes on every day

31:16

it took a part of her

31:17

how

31:21

many years has been since you've been attacked

31:24

a sixteen years fifteen years

31:26

the remember the has images

31:29

of my house come

31:31

to me

31:32

are really from like different times

31:34

and points in my life like

31:36

i can conjure up a christmas when my

31:38

mom balmy unicycle and i can kind of

31:40

go back and remember how the house was summary

31:43

that can remember them the paint or how

31:45

the house looks like this offseason

31:48

as yeah i saw

31:51

and in the room that we were sitting and i was

31:53

facing the front door and

31:55

asked to the last there was was then

31:59

there's comfort on their what

32:01

what photographs to think they have

32:03

up with you

32:06

they probably have a a a of photograph

32:08

have me with them visiting me while

32:11

incarcerated

32:14

no i was i think that

32:16

maybe

32:18

maybe a high school picture know what high school

32:20

think she had a promptly sir state

32:22

shall we have contact her up so what

32:24

does it feel like says know

32:26

that someone was to spend time your

32:28

home it's

32:34

it's the

32:36

really know about explaining like now

32:39

that you know you're here and i know you been there

32:41

it's there it's it's like you're

32:43

bringing the memories back

32:48

the only think about whom that much anymore

32:51

i think because as

32:54

time moves on the

32:58

really for me like

33:00

to protect myself from not letting

33:04

the outside or letting my memories affect

33:06

me in here i think you you and of putting

33:09

up walls and you block those

33:11

memories out your , in

33:13

memories to me that i freely

33:17

been talking out of existence

33:19

for a long time there's

33:21

a tiger as you know

33:24

it's it's it's

33:26

it's vastly refreshing because

33:29

you know it's been long time since

33:31

i really damn home

33:33

and though

33:36

when you come here from

33:39

recently been a my house it

33:42

reminds me what need to get back to

33:45

the

33:52

question for you not actually like

33:54

how much the

33:56

bertha met ryan was that interview where

33:58

you what was your perception and what is

34:00

your perception now at scene is home and like

34:02

the other half his life the

34:04

guy he was they kinda quiet

34:07

but like the

34:09

pretty boy

34:10

you know when you're getting maybe else has since

34:12

i was very well the last

34:16

on to seems nice and and and

34:18

and genuine

34:20

and was really focus on his hair i can

34:22

spend less time on his hair and

34:24

, and he's super polite

34:27

polite then after going to his house and learning

34:29

about you know just growing

34:32

up and what does family was like i

34:35

just started seeing him and

34:39

, honest a to search seen the tragedy

34:42

of that any made

34:45

and my guys how

34:48

many people

34:52

in a situation in there might could been

34:54

so different sixteen how he grew up

34:57

and the people that cared about him

34:59

and like what is like could have been since

35:01

, least that's weighing heavy on nice

35:04

and that's a places

35:08

places many people i me in here but

35:10

why guess when you meet somebody family and you're welcomed

35:12

into their home it ,

35:14

the person concerned life to you

35:16

outside san clinton they

35:19

have little bit more of an idea of the journey as

35:21

how they got here and is assess

35:24

like ah man can these sydney's different

35:26

choice i

35:28

feel like i have neighbors that nevada chance

35:31

that i mean ryan had chance to

35:34

the decisions we do a test the way nurse

35:37

who have rights you

35:39

know because i've had

35:41

so many chances are that so many opportunities

35:44

out there and

35:46

now i'm here in ways i knew it

35:51

weighs on heavily this

35:53

point my mom i know she was

35:55

disappointed and

35:59

maybe the even someone ashamed the

36:02

i don't know much about

36:04

a month

36:07

do you want to hear it does and

36:09

say your dad said she would just and

36:12

so when she know when she passed

36:14

she would just cry at night and he'd be

36:16

like when you crying about

36:19

and safe and say anything and then

36:21

you're crying about ryan or and

36:25

you shouldn't tell you that mass

36:28

it's at something at something

36:30

knew they felt

36:32

it the i would think about

36:34

are constantly so at that moment when

36:36

i would think about her i

36:38

knew that she sees about me

36:42

never really we

36:45

process her passing

36:48

and i think it's because i'm so far

36:50

removed from out there it

36:52

as really hit me you

36:55

don't need a she's she's there the

37:00

my happiness in his lot pain that house

37:04

hard to me doesn't wanna go back the

37:07

party meters my

37:10

going on around oh

37:15

different you're right a different plan i

37:18

hate head their that version the meat

37:21

i still see that version would the house

37:24

with that area so i

37:26

i even wanna think about that

37:32

you know it happened your socks

37:35

i mean i i imagine they'd probably throw away

37:38

the has carried over such a lot know

37:40

are they still there's your money's

37:42

them to clean house or call for some

37:45

here we sticker put it's gets his

37:48

assets , sucks for us at

37:50

all get good maybe was outages

37:53

side yeah side was i like does get

37:55

there was as thing but also liked it because it

37:57

is the symbology there

38:07

we're standing on the corner from mona avenue

38:10

in marine avenue in

38:12

lawndale are standing on a lot so it's

38:14

it's pretty busy

38:16

three corner all the houses

38:18

are these are some tone of faith

38:21

and standing on greengrass but i notice

38:23

that then pretty

38:26

muddy

38:27

right behind me is a kids park

38:30

there's children playing on slide

38:34

there's families having

38:36

picnics over there someone's obviously

38:38

cleaned up the park so it's actually pretty

38:40

orderly and need and it's nice to see

38:42

how many kids and families are out here

38:45

i really am struck by how

38:47

many dads are out here the

38:50

actually sherie

38:58

cute little dog

39:00

just came by and game

39:01

for a nice and friendly

39:04

i really notice or the sounds

39:06

and the children playing

39:11

who eat i'm describing this place

39:13

because it's a really important part

39:15

of memory you are telling us about at top

39:17

of show you one remind us where we left

39:19

off please well after

39:21

a car crash

39:23

karma will sit next to me in the back seat and

39:25

artist is here to say

39:27

you know follow me the

39:30

and at all doors open everybody got

39:32

out and ran and the cops just

39:35

opened by you know ah

39:37

miss all you heard was gunshots and

39:40

five of those bullets hit from

39:42

but you didn't know that yet rate because you are running

39:44

like him as direct exactly did

39:47

you photograph or a film

39:49

whatever the affair for

39:51

, is gonna replay as just i mean of

39:54

course that moment of meet certain

39:56

from he could be a photograph home

39:59

but everything

40:00

in fast

40:02

and slow motion the sound

40:04

in it

40:07

yeah sirens helicopters

40:09

gunshots craze

40:15

lao walkie talkies the

40:18

communicate with each other i

40:21

think your adrenalin is going so fast

40:23

and arum see his life even though this

40:25

all happen in couple of seconds isis

40:27

a my favourite the same like

40:29

is is is is go

40:34

you can try to yeah as

40:36

as shallow under my armpit

40:39

i was incredibly painful i

40:42

didn't really go is but i felt the

40:44

impacts of a common out the front of much as mean

40:46

you actually see it's mouse nawzad

40:48

says i just felt of forces

40:50

like like somebody to suck me to buy

40:52

back and he came out the front

40:56

and we did it in that stuff you in your tracks

40:58

not actually you know if

41:00

if if i stumbled little maybe murder

41:03

or know it may be run low fastest her

41:05

as of this

41:07

was by

41:08

hamas the run and like a certain bag

41:11

and that's what's going on my head as i'm running it's

41:13

like your body's in denial something or something

41:15

in denial the

41:17

wow i was running i had

41:19

a gun in my ways ban and

41:22

the whole missions not to get caught with the

41:24

guy who was like okay

41:28

a gig and

41:31

you do kill me whatever it is

41:33

he novel sake of i had i had my what

41:36

did the gun out and when i think the guy now

41:38

as i was running on the

41:40

toggle laser beam kamal

41:43

because , i was running start seeing

41:45

laser beam beam go everywhere

41:48

with laser beam from from the gun that

41:50

was a my phone

41:52

back reach your gun and off

41:55

and then house on a corner to

41:57

, to do and if there's enough

42:00

when don't you just to the gun know it was a close

42:02

window

42:04

for you through this country window and broke

42:06

the glass and then when happen

42:09

then i'm i

42:11

ran i couldn't go to go one

42:14

way so i ran back towards the front

42:16

trying to go around the house the other way and

42:18

a helicopter light was on me and the police

42:21

command point was right there so

42:23

i just kneel down in front of a truck

42:25

and then i ended up crawling up under the trump

42:27

it's

42:27

like delhi down on this matter

42:30

how good are bleeding

42:32

this try seems like was under their truck

42:34

for days but i know was probably

42:36

just about an hour and

42:38

, this police dog got

42:41

all him all business store sniff the

42:43

dog is work

42:45

you know alert and to me nog

42:47

beat me all of this

42:51

the drag me from a

42:53

hundred a day the

42:55

no problem dear to sit they do

42:57

to keep style leno said you know

43:00

you , you apprehended by dennis

43:03

loses dispatch

43:06

from twenty four years later where's

43:11

your gun and us

43:13

in and house on a corner that

43:15

, get wind of the my have

43:17

to go down there that

43:21

we just started walking down the street along the park

43:24

and there was the house that's

43:27

a has you think this elevated moving

43:29

the know in order to preserve small

43:31

house with the front porch there the

43:33

dod carriers out in france

43:36

was kind of industrial behind it kills

43:38

anyone was home ah

43:44

this is like right here would have holy set up command

43:47

post i , radius

43:50

have gonna sit residents

43:52

to sit i will come

43:56

on as go when you say

43:58

that have been limited ninety nine

44:06

okay or line they decide to walk

44:08

up to house and i had to that i

44:10

was nervous my

44:14

the crazy thing to do and you not

44:16

on the door and nobody and

44:18

i was a tiny bit relieved that

44:23

, not deter mean mean

44:26

went around that bag at handsome and

44:28

as where i found

44:30

this one guy who led me to another

44:32

guy who ended up being the guy

44:35

who live there in nineteen ninety seven

44:38

it was the same friggin

44:40

guy named do yeah

44:47

we can record you the

44:49

remember yeah

44:52

proudly was bow lay bys

44:54

see glazier eighties i will never

44:57

have done some ordered zinoman you don't

44:59

have segments close the clear venue

45:02

or labour day was better work at all from steel

45:04

he was he was know cues will i was talking

45:06

about you remember yeah

45:11

and you tell us if i i dunno asleep

45:14

but i i i

45:17

noise then they heard the wind

45:19

of break in and then later they can

45:22

get , to the slow

45:24

you know and may

45:26

not the gun had a laser

45:31

the i was on the

45:34

things that it didn't

45:37

when , because was laying down down

45:40

the on and

45:42

the laser and that up when you're not

45:44

nice

45:49

i heard before that i heard

45:51

some guy says good

45:53

, over here by myself so

45:57

my no children no

45:59

i have to that they wanna hear

46:02

his , minutes so i don't know

46:04

how long long

46:07

very nice that on my on no

46:09

as so police and and

46:12

and then i

46:14

gave him then gun and

46:16

and our fifth

46:20

the you figure two years he just walked up here until

46:22

she's store well yeah but he

46:24

said he was serving a life sentence or

46:26

our company's assets lawyers and for life

46:31

and i got out about three years ago

46:34

while i was serving life sentence

46:37

in prison and

46:39

she was bothers him prison and we created

46:42

of high can call your house and

46:45

i guess is if i'm our lives inside prison

46:48

and now serve our former life houses

46:52

and while was serving a life satisfy

46:54

twenty years into it when

46:56

governor brown commuted my sense

46:58

earl on at

47:01

his place and sinking like

47:04

happiness the the same guy

47:08

well my my was flown with your sorrows

47:10

is like okay cool is that the inner

47:12

as yours is rolling with it as his own this and

47:14

to be interested in no i haven't seen as

47:16

do since the night it all

47:18

happen you know the

47:20

effeminate go knock at door as i wouldn't do

47:22

that but he does is

47:26

for your windows phone for

47:28

you win some lose weight

47:31

room for years is is given

47:33

have so far as i'm in your

47:35

browser needed some he

47:37

doesn't needed it out of need you should

47:41

appreciate this it can buy lunch

47:43

for definitely

47:45

i mean

47:47

there is ,

47:49

if you're here here

47:53

a footnote out of

47:55

his nose out of his cell his said life

47:57

is over man alive as well

47:59

honed

48:01

i'm glad you're out i'm in zu

48:05

, a good life lot of

48:07

system system some you thought

48:09

your so nice as lazy as

48:12

my nature

48:15

i'll let you get anywhere and i don't know

48:17

a thing as , seventy

48:19

nine of hearts

48:47

you ever hear

48:49

of the coin

48:56

because it is this is place in have

48:58

and know a mighty mighty busier what is

49:00

farming here are my son one the deal

49:03

some be like it is it's

49:05

me

49:08

because i've been out three years now so know

49:11

your last memories are your the

49:13

most memorable specially going

49:15

into prison because they're your last

49:17

moments be free and ,

49:19

i've noticed there's you know over the years

49:22

i to mention some said two friends

49:24

or family and maybe laws

49:26

they know had no fluke was a mine have

49:29

million different memory stacked on top that

49:31

they been free or first is this

49:33

you know is either from this to county jail and

49:35

prison since so you definitely have

49:37

a fresh memory memory

49:40

you know your last moments in society

49:43

in , to sit and talk about

49:46

people remember you know bonus is

49:48

as clear as day to me

49:56

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49:59

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