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and it's a podcast. Yeah. It's really

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much more stuff you can't even imagine.

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You know, I just it's we've

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doing this a long time now. And I think we're just

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getting really, really good at it. And not

1:42

enough people know exactly how good

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we are at podcasting. So

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1:48

episode. You

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think we can do this? I think

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1:54

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we could hit all the things for us to

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2:00

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mean, let me look, let's

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you know, we we don't need to be fake humble here,

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Matt's right. We're fucking great at this.

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We're we're we're we're expert fucking

2:11

terrific. I I think we should try it.

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Yeah. Alright. Well,

2:15

okay. I just want just

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just brace yourselves because, you know, we've never done this

2:20

before. I wanna make sure that we're gonna be okay. Okay.

2:22

Let me just crack my knuckles. Okay.

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Cylance. So it was absolute silence, but he did

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Hit the theme music.

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Welcome to GetPlay, your one stop

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I'm your host, HAC along with

4:49

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with our third host, Matapodaka.

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Hello, everyone. We

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Welcome

5:27

back to the

5:27

premier video game podcast. I

5:29

know there are plenty with larger audiences

5:32

There are plenty with smaller audiences and

5:34

there's plenty of podcasts that

5:36

know what they're doing --

5:38

Mhmm. -- in a way that we don't. But we

5:40

are and will always be

5:42

the premier video gaming podcast.

5:44

Yes. But it it can also be said

5:47

that

5:47

they don't know what they're doing the way we

5:49

do. Great point. You

5:52

know, that's a that's a that's

5:54

a two way street. That's

5:55

what makes us the premier. That's right.

5:57

set

5:58

special something. They could start saying

5:59

this too if they want.

6:01

No. But they're not. But they're not. Yeah. That's

6:04

why when it's us. It's us.

6:06

It's us and it

6:08

forever will be us and don't

6:10

decide to not do the show anymore. When

6:12

I'm like seventy five

6:14

Wow. That's a long time. Is

6:16

it? It's like next year, man.

6:18

Oh, I forgot you're seventy four.

6:24

which one of us was like elderly. That'd be

6:26

a fun dynamic. I mean,

6:29

I was born before

6:31

sound.

6:32

I

6:34

can't be possible. It is.

6:37

How did the baby how did the doctor know who

6:39

to spank? I know doctors. III

6:43

was formed in the cauldron

6:45

of reality -- Mhmm. -- in deep space

6:48

and then hatched as an egg It

6:50

wouldn't

6:50

shock me if the three of us

6:52

if of the three of us, you had, like, an

6:55

elder ring backstory. Like,

7:01

you're you don't you don't have, like, like,

7:04

you have, like, a lore. Like -- Right. -- I

7:06

don't have lore. You you do have

7:08

lore. your true form

7:10

is like a warm queen. And

7:16

also the Crohn's. Yeah. Like Heidi

7:18

Klum's Halloween costume.

7:20

Oh, that was a joke. CLum.

7:22

I know. I've never heard your name out loud. I think

7:24

it's CLum. Oh, well. Whatever. Oh,

7:26

this podcast is a great opportunity to

7:28

say words you've never set out loud.

7:30

Yeah. The names of some video

7:32

game characters.

7:33

and nobody

7:35

gets mad. No one gets mad. Nobody nobody.

7:37

Here's a here's a here's a fun bit of trivia

7:39

bit. This is this is related to what you were saying earlier

7:41

about you know, being born no

7:43

doctors, who was the first US

7:45

president to be born in a hospital?

7:49

So Nick said this was fun trivia. Hi.

7:51

This is one of my my two favorite trivia

7:53

questions. Alright. I

7:54

know okay. So I know

7:58

Obama

7:58

was born on a

7:59

beach in Kenya. Right.

8:01

Yeah. We all know that. Yeah. Yeah. But

8:04

the

8:04

question is, is there president

8:07

earlier than him.

8:08

Or is it or is the answer

8:11

Trump? Is

8:12

the answer Trump? I'm going with Trump. Trump is

8:14

the first baby born in a hospital.

8:15

It's not Trump, but it

8:18

is You're in the you're in the right

8:20

generate right sort of generation. Holy

8:22

shit. Really? Yeah.

8:27

The answer is, dude, do you want to do you

8:29

want to guess Matt? You

8:31

couldn't have been, like, Bill

8:32

Clinton. And it's not about Clinton. It's

8:34

Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter's president

8:37

board in a hospital. Which

8:39

is kind of amazing when you think of, like, that's

8:41

such say that such a every depiction we

8:43

know from fiction is, you know, from from

8:45

film and TV is like, oh yeah, it's a it's a

8:47

hospital procedure. But that wasn't common

8:49

until, like, the, you know, is

8:51

kind of the the

8:54

the the second, you know, post, I

8:56

guess, post World War two era kind

8:58

of --

8:58

It also -- impression there are also always

9:00

horrifying how old

9:02

all of those people in

9:03

power are. Like -- Yes. For sure. --

9:05

car is

9:05

still alive and he's like wandering around

9:08

and shit and he's like, I was born in a

9:10

hospital. Yeah. What?

9:12

Who What are we what are I think of

9:14

next?

9:14

Capes for your feet.

9:17

What's your what's your second

9:19

favorite piece of trivia? You said you had two. This

9:21

is this is just another one because it's like the

9:23

answer is obvious, but people oftentimes don't

9:25

get it. What is the largest

9:27

city in North America? What is the

9:29

most populous city in North America? Oh.

9:33

The

9:33

most populous city?

9:35

In North America. In

9:37

North America?

9:38

Yes.

9:39

Mexico City. There, Heather. Got

9:42

it.

9:42

Wow. Great trivia question. Right? Then we

9:44

can only think of the US and Canada.

9:46

That's right. Yeah. They're garbage. Forget about our our

9:48

our pals down south. That's right. I

9:50

can garbage if you don't know the answer to that off

9:52

the top of your head. That's why I waited to

9:55

see who is garbage. I waited to

9:57

see. We, you

9:59

know,

9:59

we are the premier video game

10:02

podcast. And part of that reason is because every

10:04

once in a while, we like to bring in a

10:05

fantastic guest. And we've got one with us

10:08

today. I've wanted to have this guy on for a long

10:10

time. From from twitch dot tv slash

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y u underscore S0NG My good

10:14

buddy, You Song Lewis here. Hi, You Song.

10:16

Hello, Wyel here. Thanks for having

10:18

me on. our

10:20

good buddy, you saw. Our good buddy

10:23

you saw. He's not just your friend,

10:25

Nick. That's right. I see.

10:26

This is this is

10:27

the first time I've actually met you saw,

10:30

which is seems incomprehensible

10:32

to me.

10:32

And and I'm I'm glad that it happened this

10:35

way because if I was introduced a

10:37

moment earlier, I would have guessed New York City

10:39

like fucking dope. I would have

10:41

embarrassed myself in front of

10:43

the audience of the premier video game

10:45

podcast. It would have been humiliating. But you

10:47

song, you don't realize what you've just done.

10:49

You said the wrong answer after the fact, even

10:51

after your Oh, that's terrible. No.

10:53

That we're gonna need to edit this out. I'm gonna

10:56

have to send you some text you the machine's

10:58

broken. You song

11:01

word. You've been streaming and and I think

11:03

like a lot of, you know, this is this

11:05

is a in a lot of ways, you're kind of

11:07

my gateway to -- Mhmm. --

11:10

you add Exenio, millennial culture.

11:12

Like, you you Yes. Exactly. You

11:14

kind of help me understand things that I'm a

11:16

that I'm a grandpa about. And one of those things

11:18

has been twitch. You've been streaming on twitch for

11:20

a while. What got you in to to to

11:23

to streaming? I I like

11:25

being alone but, like, not

11:27

quite alone. And Twitch is the perfect

11:29

step prep. Twitch is the

11:31

the the perfect little, like, walking

11:33

on the edge of those because, you

11:35

know, I just think it's like it's

11:37

fun to connect with people, but also

11:39

to be the only one

11:41

talking, which sounds like a if you

11:43

can guess I'm an only child, like, it's it's

11:45

perfect for me because I get to I get to siphon

11:47

away all the attention. and also

11:50

and also still like have fun and crack jokes and

11:52

and and be in presence of other

11:54

people cracking jokes. So it's like the kind

11:56

of perfect social interaction for me.

11:58

Yeah.

11:58

I I always have a blast

11:59

doing it. And and, you know, your chat seems

12:02

pretty wholesome. Like, our our

12:04

chat thankfully and our twitch channel is is is

12:06

generally pretty wholesome. I mean, like

12:08

like how do you balance what

12:10

games to stream? because the difficulty for

12:12

me I find is I want a

12:14

game that doesn't command my full attention.

12:16

Mhmm. because I wanna be able to still engage with

12:18

a chat. Yeah. I think,

12:21

like, early on well, III

12:23

still really this lesson all the time. If I don't do a

12:25

lot of research into a game, I'll

12:27

just end up reading for

12:29

so long because I'll watch create like

12:31

a a good environment for everyone and I'll

12:33

read every line of dialogue. But then it's like

12:35

I don't have any time to

12:37

crack any of my ten out of ten jokes.

12:39

You know? Yeah. Hold

12:42

on a floor. You know, who is

12:44

who is Sora from Kingdom Hearts's favorite

12:47

NBA person Kyrie

12:49

Irving? What?

12:51

I don't know what that means. Oh,

12:54

Kyrie. Yeah. That's good

12:56

because you need to know

12:58

You need

12:59

to know characters from Kingdom Hearts. Yes.

13:02

And that Sora

13:03

thinks the Earth is flat.

13:05

And

13:10

is it anti semite? Right? The part of the

13:12

candidate? Yes. even though he's seen time

13:14

and time again that the

13:16

worlds are shaped like

13:19

the iconic castles they that they

13:21

have in the in the world.

13:24

Thank you

13:25

for picking on the on the subtext But

13:27

but anyway, like like it just you

13:30

know, and so also games that are

13:32

really complicated to explain. Like, if I ever were

13:34

to stream magical are gathering, I think

13:36

that it would be a terrible it would be a

13:38

terrible time because I would have to explain,

13:40

oh, on earth actually doesn't mean that your

13:42

creature stays on the field forever. It just goes

13:44

away towards the end, but it doesn't go back into the

13:46

grave, it goes into exile. Anyway, how is everyone

13:48

doing? What do you have for dinner? Like, it it just

13:50

doesn't it doesn't lend itself. So I

13:52

think, like, picking a game like

13:54

like Mario Kart or something that's

13:56

easy if you can find a photonic ideal

13:58

in between hum

13:59

interesting and new versus not having to take up all of

14:02

your mental energy. I think that's like the

14:04

perfect place to be in.

14:06

On

14:06

that that same sort of note,

14:09

Are there games that you consciously

14:11

save for offline play?

14:13

No.

14:14

I actually have a really hard

14:16

time with that because when I I'm not

14:18

streaming, I I don't I

14:21

just like joyously play games. It's

14:23

it's it's it's it's not good. I

14:25

I played through the entirety of Kingdom Hearts again,

14:28

off stream. But, like, I didn't

14:30

smile once. You know what I mean? I was

14:32

just it was

14:34

the kind of feeling where I was, like, I need to

14:36

give myself a homework Simon just so that I

14:38

could grind through something. And I was like, oh, a

14:40

hundred percent Kino Mart's too. I never did it as a

14:42

child. So

14:44

if

14:44

if there are if there are

14:46

new games coming up, like, I don't think the Pokemon

14:49

games are that right? I

14:50

don't know. I I could be that I could be

14:52

pretty wrong because people do understand Pokemon, but

14:54

that just might be something that I say for myself so I

14:56

can take my time with it and not feel

14:58

like I have to share

15:00

it at least on the first playthrough

15:02

with others. with with

15:03

a game like Pokemon on

15:05

on twitch, I feel like because

15:08

the thing about like twitch is that, like, there's like

15:10

a sort of level of you know,

15:12

interactivity between you and the audience too.

15:14

Right? So, like, when I was streaming vampire

15:16

survivors, I was getting input. Same

15:18

with Hades when I was doing Hades a little bit.

15:20

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15:22

Right. I don't know if I necessarily want the Twitch

15:25

chat to be dictating,

15:27

like, my team. to me. You know what I

15:29

mean? Like, I feel like that's, like, very personal.

15:32

That's, like, that'd be, like, having them, like, pick

15:34

out your, like, undies or

15:36

something to be, like, that's that's

15:38

my business. You leave that. That's you leave that

15:40

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Whoa. Do you accept the

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Yes. We should accept we should just Either way,

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either you guys can get out to

20:48

to the

20:49

valley and maybe help

20:53

me out. You know, I would help but you

20:55

guys out for free for a little

20:57

bit. Okay. Wait. Wait a

20:59

second.

21:00

I don't know. if

21:02

what you do for us is help.

21:06

Yeah. That's primarily It it's but

21:08

it's more and more. It it feels like you're

21:10

derailing us with wild

21:12

tangents when really your job is to come

21:14

in and say one sentence. Do you want me you

21:16

want me to say, who are you

21:18

playing and hang

21:18

up and you don't know what to fuck

21:20

happened to me. Honestly, I'm

21:21

worried about that. No.

21:23

I'm concerned. I just wanna make sure that,

21:25

like, you know, Let's

21:28

let's let's get your own house in

21:30

order. And maybe if you need to take some

21:32

time away from this, what whatever

21:34

you need to to to make things. Right? We'll try to

21:36

help you out. You're our friend and our colleague. Mail

21:39

is unsustainable. Mail

21:41

is set at two hundred thousand

21:44

dollars. What did you do? That's that's

21:46

a lot. Actually, don't tell us what you did

21:48

over the phone because they will listen

21:50

in. Yeah. That is admissible in

21:52

court. And I don't know

21:53

if you know how podcasts work.

21:57

But we don't got

21:57

that kind of cheddar, because you

22:00

yeah.

22:01

I've covered those better health ads.

22:03

I know that some of that shit's

22:05

gotta be coming through the pipeline. I

22:07

mean, you might wanna collect all the

22:09

office ladies, see if they can help you out. Yeah. Yeah.

22:11

I don't know. It's they're not

22:13

they're not necessarily buying that many impressions

22:15

on our show. What what if

22:17

what if we split it? What

22:19

if I whatever I gave you access

22:22

to my accounts and and

22:24

you and you guys covered them what I don't

22:26

have. You don't have,

22:26

like, a ruby or something that you can give

22:29

them, like, Turns out, they don't

22:30

take rupees. They don't take rupees.

22:33

What? Or ammunition. Also,

22:35

let me tell you. If you're gonna

22:37

get arrested, do

22:39

not have a jacket

22:41

full of guns. Yeah. I

22:43

think that that might have I I

22:45

thought that might have had something to do with it

22:47

Yeah. High bail amount that's been said for you.

22:50

Well, look, I I wish we could help you

22:52

out immediately,

22:53

but unfortunately we have a show to do

22:55

making in the aftermath of ending in thirty

22:57

seconds. Okay. Okay. Okay. We're gonna wait this

22:59

quick. Yeah.

23:02

Joe, I

23:05

I

23:05

sent it some things to a lady

23:08

judge, and I shouldn't

23:10

have said it.

23:11

Okay. It wasn't Judy. Was

23:13

it? Oh god.

23:16

To be fair, I

23:18

was in a Best Buy totally

23:20

naked and shouting at the flat screens.

23:23

What are you praying? Okay.

23:26

So

23:26

it was not necessarily in the context

23:28

of a courtroom, you know, that you yelled

23:30

at the judge. Well, thank you,

23:33

Resideo four, Birch, and hope things pick up for

23:35

you. We'll we'll try to resolve the

23:37

softness. Has ended. Oh,

23:40

fuck. That was wild. You songs. I'm so

23:42

sorry. Yeah. Sorry. You songs. You know what the

23:44

hell? It was okay. Have I had an

23:46

order? I I didn't wanna

23:48

interrupt, but I'm also, like, It's it's

23:50

a

23:50

shame that it was only that I wanted to ask if, you

23:52

know, the real resident evil in their eyes

23:54

was over incarceration. Wow.

23:56

And

23:56

isn't that something?

23:58

Wow. I

23:59

just sage observation. You

24:02

know? That's pretty good. My

24:04

guess is that we're knowing the resident

24:06

evil merchant as we do.

24:08

Sure. Probably that would kinda just fly over his head.

24:11

Okay. Yeah. He'd

24:13

probably be like, do it

24:15

more actually. Hey,

24:19

Heather. I'm curious, what have you been playing

24:21

this past week? I have only

24:24

been Oh,

24:29

man. So I'm playing this this

24:31

replay, you play, which

24:33

I've which I play in the mornings, and that's a

24:35

really nice time to play. It's a it's a

24:37

good

24:37

it's a good breakfast game. Other

24:41

than that, book.

24:45

I

24:46

wish I had a different answer. I

24:49

wish I had a different answer.

24:53

I

24:53

don't. I don't have a different

24:56

answer. Oh, man. I you

24:58

know, I was thinking about ready

25:00

player one. Yeah.

25:01

And

25:01

I was thinking about how I'm running around now

25:04

as Sake from Naarto

25:07

with Mikkel Rick on my

25:09

back. hanging off of

25:11

AAA Thai fighter

25:14

and using a weapon

25:16

skin from I

25:17

think the alien saga,

25:20

and I

25:20

was like, this that

25:23

sentence is essentially a

25:25

ready player one sentence. Right.

25:28

like, collecting collecting

25:32

things from your

25:34

childhood or whatever and being able incorporate

25:36

them into an outfit

25:38

and then run around shooting people.

25:40

Like, that's literally the thing.

25:43

And if I start twitch streaming and am

25:46

receiving via the subscription service

25:48

or whatever, money

25:50

for that than it is ready

25:52

player one.

25:52

It it it is. Yeah.

25:54

Right? That's it. There

25:56

is no

25:56

additional step other than

25:59

the headset. Right?

26:00

Which is on the way. Right.

26:02

But that I mean, like, it's really there's

26:05

no additional layer. Like,

26:07

the beginning of that that

26:10

book, he the main character

26:12

whose name, I don't fuck I don't

26:14

fucking remember anything about that

26:17

book, except that there was

26:19

one Evangelion reference. And I

26:21

was like, well, I guess I got

26:23

to shots

26:28

fired at Ernest Klein.

26:30

But but in the beginning of

26:33

the book, It's

26:33

just a headset. He doesn't have like a tactile

26:36

bodysuit or anything. He just has the

26:38

headset. And then later when he's

26:40

like trying to really unravel

26:42

the mystery, he gets like a warehouse

26:44

room with like a

26:46

full

26:46

immersive dive suit. And

26:49

it's like an upgrade towards

26:51

the last

26:52

third of the book. But

26:53

like Fortnite is that

26:55

thing. It's -- Sure. -- it there's no

26:58

there's

26:58

Usually, when

27:00

you write sci fi like that, it takes

27:02

some

27:02

years. There's

27:04

no There are people

27:07

PLAYING FAKE Pac Man

27:09

IN FORT NIGHT, WHICH IT

27:11

IS. THAT'S READY PLAYER

27:14

ONE. Yeah. And it and it's also, like,

27:17

from my experience with the game

27:17

and I've logged a lot fewer hours in Fortnite than

27:20

you have, but it it

27:22

is like know, as opposed to

27:24

say like a VR chat, where it's

27:26

all like, hey, this is fan made

27:28

versions, this fan made approximations

27:30

of existing IP. Here it just is the

27:32

stuff. Like, they just have yeah.

27:34

They just have rights agreements with all

27:36

these, you know, intellectual

27:39

property holders, and they're

27:41

they're just fully integrating it into

27:43

the existing product. I

27:45

purchased the

27:45

sound of one of my boss's voices.

27:49

And

27:49

then

27:51

when I'm the xenomorph, I

27:54

rap as the voice

27:55

of my boss.

27:56

right Your boss

27:58

is Rick.

27:59

That's

28:03

fucking crazy. Yeah. But

28:05

yeah. I every

28:07

time I have a chance to play, I'm also

28:09

like, oh, I'm gonna dabble in some of these

28:11

creator

28:11

experiences.

28:13

And I don't. I just play

28:15

fucking battle royale. I have

28:17

been doing quests because I

28:20

want some

28:20

extra I want more skins. Right.

28:23

And I'm like level one hundred and thirteen now

28:25

or whatever. And if I get five

28:28

more levels, I get a

28:30

chrome punk skin and then I can bunk, which I'll never

28:32

do because I don't wanna be any of

28:34

the Fortnite people in Fortnite. I

28:36

wanna be I

28:38

wanna be like I want a

28:40

director's pack. I wanna be Ridley

28:41

Scott in Fortnite. Like, I

28:43

I wanna run around being

28:45

like

28:46

blood so,

28:47

yeah, I don't it's all

28:49

I do. I'm like level yeah.

28:51

A hundred and thirteen fourteen,

28:54

I don't even fucking know anymore.

28:57

Mary comes out and she's

28:59

like, wow, you you really are still

29:02

playing

29:02

this. And I'm

29:05

like, yep. That's

29:08

it. That's it. they figured it

29:09

out. They're they're so close. If

29:12

they if they if I

29:13

could make money doing

29:16

it, Mhmm.

29:16

And then also, there was a tube in

29:18

my mouth and my butt hole for

29:20

food and poop.

29:23

Then where would I go? Don't mix

29:25

those up. Yuck. That's

29:30

gross. What you

29:31

said?

29:36

I I yeah. I I it's it's

29:38

it's genuine yuck from Nick and

29:41

stuff. It's kind

29:43

of an amazing like, it's an amazing

29:45

product because it just like that all that shit

29:47

works is it feels impossible.

29:49

It's like the LEGO movie. It's like how did they get

29:51

all of these different companies

29:54

to agree to all of their

29:56

franchises being being integrated into

29:58

this one this one film. It's the same sort of feeling. But

29:59

it's also like super fun,

30:02

which I think is the end of

30:03

the end of the day, that's that's the whole thing. And I

30:05

think if it wasn't fun, no one would give a

30:07

shit. but I'm I'm glad you found your

30:09

game, Heather. I'm glad you found a game that you can

30:11

play that will sustain you for some time.

30:13

I

30:13

can't believe the offhand nature

30:15

of how I found this game.

30:17

which is Matt being like, let's

30:20

torture Nick with Fortnite and

30:22

me thinking, fuck, he's

30:24

gonna

30:24

be ruined. Yeah. And then a

30:26

month later, I'm like,

30:28

my life is my

30:30

life is

30:32

a

30:41

You

30:44

song, have you dabbled in Fortnite

30:45

at all? I I have. I

30:47

I played it on Switch and like I

30:50

I won my first game, which

30:52

-- Yeah. -- I don't know if there

30:54

is it all bots in the first game? In

30:56

in the early going, I think it's mostly bot And

30:58

I think it's the same sort thing with Marvel Snap is that they've I

31:00

think a lot of these games these free to play

31:02

games have figured out that, like, okay, we're kinda load

31:04

up mostly bots in the

31:06

early going make you feel like you're really making

31:09

progress before you're set against human up matchmaking

31:11

against human human opponents.

31:14

Right. I I also won my first game and

31:16

I'm not good at the game. I thought I

31:18

was kind of amazing at the game. Like, III

31:20

before I learned that it was bots, I was like,

31:22

oh, I'm cracked. Yep. All the amount of time that I've

31:24

watched YouTube people play this game and I understand

31:26

like you wanna go around the perimeter of the circle as

31:28

it goes in instead of going straight to

31:31

the center, I was like, oh, I'm just

31:33

amazing. My research has paid

31:35

off. Since then, like,

31:37

I haven't I haven't really played because

31:39

games with guns care of me.

31:42

I I'm genuinely

31:44

healthy. I I I'm like a baby. I like

31:46

at a certain

31:47

point, I was watching people

31:49

play like pub g or Fortnite to go to

31:51

bed just to have like a video on in the background. And

31:53

I was like, why am I having all these really

31:56

harrowing nightmares And I realized it was because like,

31:58

falling asleep like gunfire. And I was, like,

31:59

okay. Maybe maybe you just, like, put

32:02

that away and just watch it when you're

32:04

awake some time. So I still I still

32:06

really enjoy watching people play BRs of

32:08

any kind four night included, but I don't I don't play

32:10

that much myself. Yeah. I think

32:12

going to sleep to gunfire is

32:14

extremely comforting. Yeah.

32:18

In America, that you just open your

32:20

window. Yeah. Hey.

32:22

Hey. Am I right? It's

32:24

true. It's what this country is.

32:27

Yeah. You suck. I'm I'm curious. So what

32:29

have you been playing? On stream or or

32:31

off lately? Sure. I

32:33

have been playing two games that

32:35

are possibly the opposite spectrum

32:38

of gaming. One of them is

32:40

Ritchie Majang. and

32:42

the other is the Nancy Drew series.

32:44

And those are the themes that I've

32:46

vlogged the most hours in that

32:48

I still enjoy. I still enjoy both of

32:50

them and I I streamed them as well. I

32:52

don't I don't know what

32:55

people know about reaching Majang outside of, like,

32:57

the yakuza mini

32:59

game Like, you can play it in in the Yakuza series. Is is that

33:01

sorry. Sorry. Real quick. because I know we were talk we talked

33:03

to Yakuza before. Mhmm. Like, did Yakuza get

33:05

you into Marshaan? No.

33:08

I don't remember. I think it's because I watched

33:10

AAA Majang anime called

33:12

AKagi, and I was like, this is so cool.

33:14

And then I started playing Majangi because

33:16

I was like, I wanna wanna do that. I wanna

33:18

commute with dark spirits and try

33:20

to get luck that way, you know. Oh.

33:24

So but it for those who

33:26

don't know, it's like a combination

33:28

between, like, poker, like, Texas hold them

33:30

and gin rummy.

33:31

the And

33:33

it's not just AAA

33:35

mini game, but there's like a bunch of web

33:37

clients that you can play on, where it's

33:39

just people playing mahdong and I I play

33:41

a mahdong Soul. And the reason that

33:43

I love it so much is because I

33:47

love chance

33:48

and

33:49

risk, not

33:50

in real life, Fuck no. I

33:52

don't -- I'm scared. -- I don't

33:55

go outside. But,

33:57

like, in in Rishi

33:58

Majang,

33:59

like, Sometimes I feel like I legitimately can't breathe

34:02

when I'm when I'm discarding a really

34:04

dangerous tile. And it also it's

34:06

like this beautiful game because

34:07

it holds up a mirror to yourself and

34:10

asks you the question, are you brave enough?

34:12

Like, what's your risk assessment here? Are you brave

34:14

enough to fight for your hand? Are

34:16

you serious just gonna fold to someone hand wait for moment

34:18

later to try to attack. It's it's

34:20

a really lovely game that I recommend

34:22

other people checking out if they if

34:25

they've never tried. What so what is the you

34:27

mentioned multiple clients. Is there, like, a version that's that

34:30

people should look for that's good to play?

34:32

Yeah. I think that's on game pass

34:36

or something. Majang Seoul is is free to play -- Oh,

34:38

no. -- on either, like, browser or

34:40

iOS or Android,

34:42

and I've Because

34:44

the rules are kind of confusing, like, there's an in game tutorial, but it

34:46

doesn't explain a lot. And in an effort to

34:49

try to get more people into it, I also

34:51

made a tutorial kind of explaining

34:54

this

34:54

is how you play the game. There's a lot of anime wafers in

34:56

the game. We try not to it's about it's more about

34:58

the sportsman. It's more about the

35:01

competitive integrity and not about the

35:03

anime wafers. Yes. I've spent money trying to

35:05

get new characters, but I cannot stress enough

35:07

how much. It's just about

35:09

the competition for me. And and so, yeah, I

35:12

like I like Majang Soul the most if you if

35:14

you wanna get into it. Wow.

35:16

And you also and and I know you've been doing Nancy Drew

35:18

for a while. seems up your Nancy

35:20

Dew streams. Nancy Dew,

35:21

I don't know if, like, I don't

35:24

know if anyone here knows, but

35:26

it's, like, Well,

35:27

most people know that they're probably like point

35:29

and click mystery games, but they're so

35:31

like charming in a weird way and like messed

35:33

up in a weird way and like disrespectful

35:36

in a weird funny way, like, sometimes the puzzles, they just

35:38

won't tell you the rules and it's

35:40

like really confusing and it's, you know, the

35:42

whole time you're thinking in the back of

35:44

your head, for ages sending

35:46

up. For ages sending up. I can't do

35:48

this. I can't do this. I need to look on a

35:50

third party hint website

35:52

to try to see what's going on. And

35:55

Yeah. There's just

35:56

like there's just, like,

35:58

nutty stuff

35:59

in there where, like, in in as

36:03

your reward for doing a really difficult

36:05

puzzle. They'll smash cut you

36:07

into another puzzle without any you

36:09

did it. Like, without any

36:11

good job, last you've been struggling with yourself, with

36:13

God, with anyone. There's, like,

36:15

there's no there's no aftercare at all. Do

36:17

you know what I mean? Like, there's

36:19

this room. So there's no there's no there's no comedown

36:21

afterwards. So, yeah, it's weird,

36:24

but it's really charming, and I and I really like the

36:26

Nancy Juice series, and there's still like a pretty huge fan

36:29

base online too. too. So yeah. And so I've been playing them a

36:31

lot. How many of those games are there roughly?

36:34

I've spent over a

36:35

hundred US dollars on, like,

36:37

I would say, like, fifteen

36:40

ish

36:40

titles. Wow. Yeah. The

36:43

big

36:44

Are they all the same

36:46

developer? They're

36:47

they're all the same developer. Yes. But the

36:49

company is kinda struggling, and we don't know if

36:51

there's gonna be another one. So it's I'm trying to

36:53

do my best. Yeah. Well,

36:55

while you're talking about

36:57

games that that are, you know, kind of, point

36:59

and click puzzle games that can sometimes be

37:01

obtuse. I'll go into what I've been

37:04

playing. Mhmm. First off, case of the Golden

37:06

Idol is a game

37:08

I rolled credits on. I talked about last

37:10

week, I played a little bit on stream, and this

37:12

past Sunday, I I finished it. It took me

37:14

about eight hours our our our

37:16

our buddy past guest, Eva Anderson, also has been

37:18

playing it on our steam deck, and I believe finished it as

37:20

well. And we're both just like talking about how much what

37:22

what a rad game it is. It's all

37:24

these lateral thinking puzzles. It is very, you know, oprah Din,

37:27

which I think I I referenced last week in

37:29

Lucas Pope. The developer has praised

37:31

this particular design. where

37:33

you're just like, hey, hey, there's AAAA murder

37:36

has taken place. You're just kind of at a

37:38

freeze frame of what of this incident. You're you're

37:40

you're pivoting to be doing these tables and you're

37:42

trying to figure out what

37:44

happened and who these people are and what the

37:46

relationships are. And

37:48

it it I will say contra

37:50

the Nancy Drew series. It is

37:52

very rewarding when you get something right. It it has that

37:54

great sort of, like, sense of, like, like,

37:56

you solve the mystery. Here is an

37:59

explanation of what happened. and

38:01

and here are some, you know, here's some some

38:03

nice little sound design and a little

38:06

cutscene that kinda makes you feel like king

38:08

shit for figuring it out. But

38:10

it is this is one of my games

38:12

the year. I fucking love this game. Wow. It is

38:14

so fucking good. It is

38:16

again, I can't emphasize enough how much Heather would

38:18

hate this game. It's

38:20

it's really definitely not for

38:22

you. It is just puzzles. But the thing that really

38:24

makes you click is by the end of

38:26

it, this narrative through line has

38:29

strung together the first chapter all the

38:31

way to the last chapter, the eleven

38:33

chapters that comprise this this game. And

38:35

then there's a little there's a little code as

38:37

well that gives you even more detail. And it's

38:39

just this really cool way of

38:42

telling this narrative.

38:44

It's it's And I'll talk about this other I've

38:46

playing. But there's there's this, you know,

38:48

the game awards come out and whatever who gives us shit

38:50

about the game awards, but they have, like, the best

38:52

narrative category.

38:54

And they all seem to be nominees

38:56

that are like conventional linear storytelling.

38:59

Here's gameplay. Here's a cut

39:01

scene. But to

39:04

me, like, a a game like this has such a more compelling

39:06

narrative design than something like

39:08

horizon, where it's just sort of like, oh, this is such an

39:10

interesting way of telling a story that

39:12

you really only do in something

39:14

that's interactive whereas, like, hey, they are

39:16

adapting horizon into a series and it'll

39:18

basically be the same story. You couldn't do the

39:20

same thing. You couldn't realize it the same way as case of the

39:22

gold medal. Anyway, check it out.

39:24

It's on Steam. It's a

39:26

delightful little game if you like your

39:28

puzzles. And if you and if you also like that

39:30

sort of thing. Here's the other thing. the other game I've been playing

39:32

is Pentiment. And I played this some

39:34

on stream. This is on Game Pass. This is

39:36

from Obsidian. Heather, I do

39:38

maintain you would hate Golden Idol, but I think you

39:40

might love this game because because it is kind

39:42

of a sixteenth century disco

39:44

Aleccia. It is a it is

39:46

a detailed non combat

39:48

roleplaying experience with

39:50

there's concert sequential choices. There's terrific writing.

39:52

Gorgeous art direction. Let me share a little bit of this

39:54

with you guys. I'm just gonna show you a little bit of

39:56

this game

39:58

in motion. Oh. And

39:59

Is this is this this

40:00

game that was developed by the Fallout guy?

40:02

Yes. Yes. One hundred percent. Yeah.

40:04

And you can sort of see it here. It

40:08

it looks like a it it looks like an animated painting.

40:10

And it's just like this

40:12

this really cool art direction.

40:14

Here, I'm talking to a nun

40:17

through a door, through a crack in the door because I'm

40:19

at this monastery where, you know, the the

40:21

nuns and the monks are not

40:23

allowed to interact. I'm trying to see

40:25

if I can mouse through to a section where we

40:27

can get some yeah. Some of the the other

40:30

thing that happens in in

40:32

here is there's like this really

40:34

cool illuminated manuscript. So

40:36

you see you you click on script Torium, and

40:38

now you see that you're seeing this awesome illuminated

40:40

manuscript is kind of in your UI. And it's like,

40:42

all these cool drawings of cats, which, Matt,

40:44

I know you'll love. But, yeah, on my board.

40:46

Yeah. Exactly. So I I wanna

40:47

explain what happened why we

40:49

all went, oh, at the same time. Mhmm. Nick Nick clicked on some

40:51

menu option or something, and

40:54

the the screen itself

40:56

sort

40:58

of cascaded

40:58

towards the horizon, and we realized that

41:01

the game inter the interactive game

41:03

screen was on a giant page

41:05

of a book that we

41:07

are close-up on, and that book is done in these

41:10

style of like a medieval BCA

41:13

or illuminated manuscript,

41:15

and it was such a gorgeous effect. Yeah. It's really cool.

41:17

And thank you for describing that, Heather, because it's

41:19

it's it's one of those things that you should you should

41:21

probably just check it out

41:24

in motion if you can, to get a sense of it. because it really, it

41:26

looks like nothing else.

41:28

And it's on Game Pass, you know, again.

41:30

So it's like like

41:32

it's a to

41:34

describe how it plays. Basically, what you're

41:36

doing is that you're you're an artist and you're

41:38

walking around. You're an artist in this time period.

41:40

You're walking around. As far as I could

41:42

tell Lisa far as I've gotten, there's no, like, supernatural element

41:45

that's very very much grounded

41:47

in in fifteen hundreds of

41:49

Bavaria. And do you work

41:51

in a working on on artwork.

41:54

And as part of that, like, you're

41:56

interacting with a bunch of monks, you're interacting

41:58

with a, you know,

42:00

with with feudal lord. You're interacting with with nuns, as I

42:02

mentioned, with townsfolk.

42:04

And there's also just sort

42:08

of like in a disco Elysium or, you know,

42:10

any sort of role playing game where your

42:12

your choices matter. Like,

42:14

you're you're informing who

42:16

your character is by the choices you

42:18

make in the game. So,

42:20

like, and and, like, I would I

42:22

like pump my fist when this happens because this sort of stuff is extremely my ship. But

42:24

there's like a point where you just you, like, you're explaining

42:26

to someone what you studied at university.

42:30

I'm just like, let's go. I

42:32

study oratory.

42:34

My guy is persuasive.

42:38

Yeah. So, like, I'm playing a I'm playing a rap scallion

42:40

who studied oratory and is

42:42

interested in in a cultism And

42:45

all those things just sort of like, you know, you you also

42:48

have some some backstory for your character

42:50

in terms of where

42:52

they grew up or where they where they

42:54

studied abroad. like that, you know, hey,

42:56

my guy speaks French and Dutch. Your

42:58

other your character can also speak

43:00

Italian if they if you go a different direction.

43:02

Just all this stuff is is really good. And

43:04

and as from what I've read

43:06

is this because, you know, this turns into a there's

43:08

something of a of a murder mystery.

43:10

From what I've read about

43:12

this game, Ultimately, that does completely

43:14

change how your play throughs are set

43:16

up. So, yeah, it's it's a cool little

43:18

indie feeling

43:20

game. that that again,

43:22

I think it's worth checking out if nothing

43:24

for the aesthetics alone. And if you respond to

43:26

the writing and storytelling, I I mean, I think it's

43:28

it's it's just a really unique experience. So

43:31

that's that's what I've been playing. Case of the Golden Idol and Pentiment.

43:33

Matt, let's throw it over to you. What are you

43:35

playing? Alright. Look. right

43:39

I've been

43:39

playing I mean, I've been playing I've been playing

43:42

almost

43:43

I've almost

43:44

doubled my persona

43:48

time Since last week. Wow. Nice.

43:50

Last week, I think I said I had about twenty hours.

43:52

I'm at about thirty five, thirty six.

43:55

Somewhere in there. Good.

43:57

Good. Chipping away at it.

43:59

Chip

43:59

yeah. Yep.

44:02

Almost done. almost done

44:04

really loving it. We'll

44:06

talk more about that, you

44:08

know, in the coming weeks.

44:12

God of war, Ragnarok is so fucking good. Wow.

44:16

And I

44:16

haven't spent that much

44:17

time with it. I'm

44:19

sort of like, I'll

44:22

I'll I'll I'll put that on like I was saying

44:24

last week just for like a little bit.

44:26

Like, if I know if I'm about

44:28

to get to like a complicated section

44:31

in persona. because this is how I play persona.

44:33

I'm playing it on Xbox on Game

44:35

Pass, but I'll also pick it back up on my

44:37

steam deck via x

44:40

cloud. But I can't quick resume that

44:42

way. So I'll I'll usually, if I'm like, okay,

44:44

I'm about to get into a tense an intense

44:46

spot in

44:48

persona, where I'm gonna need to It's gonna be while

44:50

before I can save again. I'll

44:52

save, pick it up again later.

44:56

start playing God of O'Ragneroc for like

44:58

an hour or so.

45:00

And I think because

45:02

i think because I have

45:04

muscle memory from not just

45:06

God of War twenty eighteen, but

45:09

also Eldon Ring. I'm finding the

45:12

combat more more challenging

45:14

and more interesting than I even

45:16

I would have given it credit for

45:20

before.

45:20

I'm blocking. I'm dodging.

45:24

I'm not just using the blades

45:25

and, you

45:28

know, Closing my eyes. Mhmm.

45:30

And keeping everything away. I'm like,

45:32

I have tactics now

45:34

when I get into some fight.

45:38

Right. There's, you know, there's, like, on

45:40

screen prompts for, like, when you're supposed to

45:42

dodge, of course, like,

45:44

if, you know, if an enemy has an

45:46

unblockable attack, it'll be

45:48

like a a red circle appear. You you

45:50

know, it'll start to close

45:52

in when you

45:54

have less time to to do it.

45:56

So then that's when I know I'm supposed to dodge. And I'm I feel like sometimes, I'll

45:58

I'll be getting my ass

46:00

kicked and then I'll just be

46:02

like, you're you're going too fast. You're

46:05

going too fast. You gotta slow down. You gotta

46:07

play the game. You can't

46:10

just go in there and be crazy.

46:12

You gotta Right. You gotta listen to what's

46:14

going on. You gotta follow the pattern. And that I that's a big lesson

46:16

I learned playing Eldon Ring.

46:19

playing out in right And so now I'm playing

46:21

this and I'm feeling like I'm not feeling like, oh,

46:23

that was a cheap death. That was like

46:25

me not paying attention.

46:28

Me not I'm not

46:30

speaking, like, a caveman. So I

46:32

just make that perfect look real

46:34

quick. That's

46:36

me not like, focusing and and and and and and

46:38

playing, you know, and using the

46:40

systems the way that they want me to use the

46:42

systems. And there's

46:44

just great. It's

46:46

just chunky. It's just good. It's it's it's a lot of fun. The story so

46:48

far is pretty great. You know,

46:50

I've I've seen some people say,

46:56

don't I just don't know how you could criticize a game like this.

46:58

Like, kind of, like, in any way, like,

47:00

really, like because it's, like, it's such

47:02

an achievement. Like, it's such, like,

47:05

you know, it's, like,

47:08

the top of the top of, like,

47:10

triple a, like, development, like, they work

47:12

really, really, like, it's just good. It's just like

47:14

it's like they made this game. It

47:16

it was designed to be good, and it

47:18

is. But some of the criticisms

47:20

I've seen seen a bit online that, you

47:22

know, it's it It it

47:24

it is developed for two consoles. It's developed

47:26

for PS four and PS five. Like, that is something

47:28

that I think you could sort of hold against

47:30

it a little

47:32

bit. But they're sort of I've

47:34

seen some people being like, the the immersion isn't there because some of the

47:36

characters use, like, modern swear

47:40

words. like, shit and stuff. Man, I'm just sort of

47:42

like, I don't know. Like,

47:44

III already know I'm playing a

47:46

video game. Yeah.

47:48

They're speaking English. Yeah. Like, it's like There's the

47:50

other there's a guy that even if they're

47:52

speaking the English of the time,

47:55

it would be like an indecipherable version of

47:57

English. Yes. I'm like and I know that

47:59

he didn't they didn't that I

48:01

didn't kill Zeus. in a

48:03

previous life. You know what I mean? I know I know that that's

48:05

not true. So, like, that kind of stuff I

48:08

don't you know, I can't

48:10

really, like,

48:12

value as criticism. But but it's

48:14

like it's actually it's so it's

48:16

so good. But I also you know, I think there

48:18

are people that are like, oh, it's

48:21

gonna be a popular game. It's gonna be like a huge game. I

48:24

better not like this. Like, it's sort of

48:26

like Right. I've I've ever just say something shitty

48:28

about it,

48:30

and it's a sort of, you can't. It's it's good. It's like, I don't know.

48:32

It's Game of the

48:34

Year. So, like, yeah. Look, the game awards is like,

48:36

oh, it just

48:38

came out. it's the most nominated game. I think that's silly, but

48:40

it's, you know, it's certainly, I

48:42

think, one of the best games I've played

48:44

this year,

48:46

if not, one of the best in the entire

48:48

series too. I can always admire something like just like a production

48:50

of that scale because it's just

48:53

like that so fucking hard to do to and and also just

48:55

to have so many resources thrown at

48:57

something and have it pay off in a way where it's like

48:59

it's not just glossy. It's

49:01

well executed. Mhmm. I I I'm

49:04

I'm always extremely impressed by something

49:06

like that whether or not it is for me. I am

49:08

eventually gonna get around to

49:10

playing probably not a not right away. It might end up falling into my

49:12

twenty twenty three backlog.

49:14

But I'm even though I have fucking have

49:17

a physical copy, taunting me. Yeah.

49:20

But but a, like, a rascally parrot.

49:22

But but, you know, it's

49:26

III am very excited to play it, and and I've overall heard nothing but

49:28

good things from people whose opinions I respect, including

49:30

you. Wow. It isn't that

49:34

nice. Isn't that nice? And I was just about to say,

49:36

where the day we're recording

49:37

this tomorrow, book one Scarlet

49:40

Violet

49:40

comes out. I'm freaking screwed

49:43

It's I I wasn't even I like, Pentiment

49:45

wasn't even on my radar, and then it came out and I

49:47

was like, well, I'm playing this fucking thing. This is like this

49:49

is gonna like, what fifteen hours of my life. What are they?

49:51

Like, what? I'm not I'm not gonna play this thing. I don't know what I'm

49:53

gonna do. And I

49:54

know I don't wanna I don't wanna put y'all

49:58

blast. How many hours you got in

49:59

five? Look. We're

50:06

gonna get to it. I'll

50:09

definitely have a lot

50:11

a

50:11

lot of hours logged by the time we

50:13

record our replay you

50:16

play. But that's not the topic right now. We're not

50:18

talking

50:20

for soda.

50:31

We're talking speedruns,

50:33

you song, and Again, this

50:36

is another thing where I feel like you've kind of,

50:38

you know, helped me kind of dip my toe in

50:40

the water and and come to understand the speedrunning community.

50:43

But I'm curious, like, what got you into watching

50:45

speedruns? Or what and what got you into speedruns in

50:47

general? Both watching and doing them.

50:50

I think And I

50:52

and I love being your

50:55

gaming slash deep

50:57

internet liaison. Yes. That's that's very honorable. I

51:00

mean, how do you be talking here?

51:02

Yeah. You know, phrases like

51:04

goaded with

51:06

the sauce. Yeah. Stuff like that, you know, that kind of

51:08

stuff. But I think I got into

51:10

speedrunning. It's because, like, you

51:12

know, there's so many games that you

51:14

have a strong emotional attachment, but you don't

51:16

really have an excuse to touch them as an

51:18

adult. Like, I have played Super Mario

51:20

sixty four so much when I was

51:22

a kid I don't really have a reason to go

51:24

through and play it. Now, I've collected all a hundred

51:26

twenty stars several times. I don't I

51:28

don't really have

51:30

a reason to do that. But I do but it's like a but speedrunning is like

51:33

a new way to engage with old

51:35

games especially if, like,

51:38

you know, there's

51:39

a lot of time between when you first played it and when

51:41

you're deciding to get into speedrunning. And

51:43

not only as like a player, but also

51:45

as a spectator. Like, I

51:48

don't have

51:48

all this time to Like, I'll just use Skin and Mites again

51:50

as an example, but, like, I don't have a time to

51:52

watch a or a reason to watch a let's play of

51:54

it because I'm like, I know what happens.

51:57

goofy explains to you what it's like to be a what

51:59

it means to

52:00

be a human soul, you know. This

52:02

is this is writing school with that.

52:05

Yeah. And then But I do have, like, three hours to

52:07

set aside to watch level one critical

52:10

mode just being shred through.

52:12

Other than using things that

52:14

I can't can't do that

52:16

looks super flashy and impressive. So I think

52:18

it's like, well, this is a spectator and a

52:20

player. It's it's like a new way to engage with

52:22

something something

52:23

that's already existed.

52:25

Yeah. I I'm I'm

52:27

curious because, you know,

52:29

I know you've you've played some Mario sixty

52:31

four. Is that the game you've like, for from

52:33

a speedrunning standpoint, is that the game you speedrun the most? Yeah. I guess you could call me

52:35

an athlete. I

52:38

it's definitely

52:41

a game that that I've speedrun the most, like, to to kinda

52:43

get myself back in the minds of for this this

52:46

very podcast, I'd

52:48

ran sixteen

52:48

star in Super Mario sixty

52:52

four, like a year ago. But I like I forgot all my times that

52:54

I don't have any archive of that. So I was like,

52:56

okay. For the last two weeks, let's just try

52:58

it. Like, First

53:00

run, no resetting. Just see how

53:02

fast you can do it. Forty two

53:04

minutes, fifty five seconds. Wow.

53:06

Sixteen stars. it's pretty good. I

53:08

think that if you if you just wanted to, like, pick it up,

53:10

you would have to watch, like, a lot of tutorials and it'd

53:12

probably be, like, a few hours. But still --

53:14

Right. -- way faster than, you know,

53:16

getting seventy, And then in these last two weeks, I've managed to

53:18

whittle that time down to twenty six forty

53:20

seven. Wow. Kinda sick as

53:22

hell. Kinda sick as

53:24

hell. Yeah. And that's coated

53:26

with the sauce. That's coated with the

53:28

sauce. And it feels like

53:30

it feels so good to, like, have a

53:32

reason to hook up a legit Nintendo

53:34

sixty four again. to just, like, touch

53:37

the hardware and to, like

53:39

and to feel like you're improving at

53:41

something, you know. It feels

53:44

so good even if you set a new personal best by, like, eight seconds. It's

53:46

like, oh, cool. The achievements that

53:48

I did,

53:50

you know.

53:50

So yeah, it's it's pretty enjoyable. The

53:52

just for just for people's reference,

53:55

the current Super Mario sixty

53:57

four sixteen star world record

53:59

is fourteen minutes, forty three seconds. So and

54:01

and that's kind of like, you know, world

54:03

class marathon or time. Right. So it's like it's

54:06

so it's like, you know, But if you're running a

54:08

marathon as an amateur and

54:10

you're you're finishing under three hours, that's a

54:12

fucking damn fast marathon.

54:14

Yeah. So, yeah, yeah, it seems like you're kind of in that

54:16

in that ballpark. I'm I'm

54:18

just, like, I I'm amazed as as

54:20

someone who who likes to watch

54:22

speedruns and has ever tried them

54:24

myself. Like, being

54:26

an athlete and and and I know you're kind of

54:28

joking, but, like, it is the same sort of fascination I

54:30

have with, like, the Olympics. Mhmm. I'm

54:32

just like, oh, these are just the people

54:35

who are at the best of this. And even if I don't

54:37

quite understand how they're doing like the rings or, you

54:39

know, what techniques are

54:41

involved in hurdles,

54:44

I'm still just, like, impressed by Mhmm. And and

54:46

just like the dedication that it takes

54:49

to completely, you know, to

54:51

to excel at something at the absolute top of your

54:54

field. So yeah, I I'll sometimes watch

54:56

speedruns of games that, like, I don't even I'm not

54:58

even necessarily

55:00

familiar with. But I'm just like, oh, wow. This person is

55:02

so compelling in how they're able to do this,

55:04

and then also that they're just

55:06

able to So

55:08

I I think a big part of of the speedrunning community, and

55:10

this is a big part of what I like

55:12

about games done quick, is

55:14

that that a lot of people there

55:16

will like explain what

55:18

they're doing as they're doing it -- Mhmm. --

55:20

which I love to see. It's it's it's like, you

55:22

know, it's like a magician sometimes doing that

55:24

sometimes, like kinda talking through what their trick is as

55:26

they're doing it, even if they're not fully letting you

55:28

in on all the secrets.

55:31

Heather yeah. No.

55:33

I was just gonna ask. I'm I'm so curious because Nick

55:35

and I Nick and I, you know,

55:37

as esteemed colleagues do, we text

55:39

about speedrunning, but this is my first time talking

55:41

to Heather and a long time

55:43

since I've talked to Matt, I'm curious if if if if there are games that you're interested in

55:46

watching or or playing

55:48

via speedrunning.

55:52

So I've I've

55:53

enjoyed the speedruns that Nick has shared

55:55

with us. Mhmm. Because

55:58

despite his insistence of

55:59

in ignoring every

56:02

text I send him. I do read the text I sent to him.

56:04

And you and you just read them. You

56:06

like value them. You hold them dear.

56:09

Yeah. I'll watch I'll

56:10

watch the videos he sends, and

56:12

I'll be like, oh, this is pretty good. I

56:14

I you know, this reminds

56:18

me of of this sequence in a movie that I saw.

56:20

And then a week later, Nick

56:22

will be like, hey, have you seen this sequence in

56:24

a movie? I know he's not

56:26

even

56:26

reading my reply

56:28

to to what he sent

56:32

me, but Yeah.

56:33

So I guess the the long

56:36

answer is I have enjoyed watching them, but

56:38

I'm not inspired to try it

56:40

myself. Mhmm. nor

56:42

does watching a speedrun

56:44

of Mario sixty four make me

56:46

wanna play Mario sixty

56:47

four. Mhmm.

56:49

I think that my Yeah.

56:51

My brain wraps around a game a

56:54

different way than

56:56

than sort of like how

56:58

But

56:58

that being said, there have been plenty of times games for, like

57:01

like, for example, Eldon Ring,

57:03

where running head first

57:05

into combat is

57:08

really pleasurable for me. I feel like

57:10

so many of the speedruns

57:12

though are about minimizing

57:15

combat or minimizing engagement,

57:18

and that's the stuff that gives me the most pleasure in

57:20

a game. So

57:21

That makes sense. Yeah.

57:23

So

57:23

that's that's

57:26

my answer. Has

57:27

anyone ever speedrun Tetris?

57:30

I don't know.

57:30

That's a great question. I'm not quite sure

57:32

how you would do it. I mean, you'd have

57:35

to have some sort of because there is, like,

57:37

a single player mode in the NES version at least. Were you getting, like, a

57:39

trophy at the end. Right? There's -- Right. --

57:41

there's been showcases of Tetris

57:44

at GDQ's like the speedrunning

57:46

marathons where it's not necessarily

57:48

like a speedrun, but sometimes they have

57:50

games like Guitar Hero or Tetris where it's

57:52

just like here is someone world class shredding at -- Yes.

57:54

-- this thing. Yeah. And even those are really

57:56

cool because, you know, sometimes, Tetris, they have

57:58

those weird moments where, like, the

58:01

blocks flash flash in and out or, like, they

58:03

disappear once you've laid them down and to watch

58:06

someone do that and still do it kinda fast

58:08

is like ridiculous. I I don't know how

58:10

that's possible. Yes. speedrun

58:12

dot com has categories for Tetris like one

58:14

hundred lines, fastest to one hundred lines,

58:16

and fastest to three dang. Three

58:18

hundred thousand points. So there are some categories. Mhmm.

58:21

I Mhmm. I've never really

58:23

seen yeah. Speedran anything

58:26

before. I

58:28

think in the in the most recent in the in the remaster, the

58:30

rerelease of Tony Hawk's Pro

58:32

Skater one and two, that's like a

58:36

mode in the game that you can do, like like try to just beat your

58:38

own time. And I think I could clear

58:40

the the first level, the warehouse

58:44

in, like, forty three seconds maybe, which is, like, I think you get,

58:46

like, two minutes probably. I think I

58:48

think is the the time you start with, so that's,

58:51

like, not you know, great. It's less

58:53

than half. I'm sure people could do

58:55

it in fifteen if they don't like

58:57

fall or something. But

59:00

I've done that. And then I I've said this a bunch

59:02

on the show, but I used to sort of speedrun

59:06

it. but with cheats,

59:09

Pokemon Ruby, when I was a

59:11

kid, and my brother and I would try to see who

59:13

could get to the elite four the in,

59:15

like, the fastest in, like, a day. And I think our, like,

59:17

shortest time even with cheats

59:20

was, like, like,

59:22

under four hours. Like, just under four hours

59:24

probably. That that's a whole

59:26

category though. Right? Like, because there's, like,

59:28

glitchless runs where you're not taking

59:30

advantage of of in game bugs, but then

59:32

there's also, like, tool assisted

59:34

runs, which are their own thing, which lets people do,

59:36

you know, obviously,

59:38

inhuman feats. But I I mean, that's a

59:40

that's there's a whole subculture

59:42

there. Yeah. It's I I think

59:44

tool assisted is is

59:46

primarily, like, like

59:48

like computerized inputs. Like, you use

59:50

some kind of software to edit like

59:52

like how you're

59:54

inputting the buttons as a as

59:56

like, on a controller. But, like, obviously, you need, like,

59:58

a a Canvas to to start with. So I think

1:00:00

someone will play through the base game, but then you can

1:00:02

go back through and edit some of the

1:00:06

inputs I could be totally wrong. But -- Mhmm. -- but also to what you're saying, yeah, there's like

1:00:08

a lot of nuance to it.

1:00:10

Like, there's games

1:00:12

where you have a glitch

1:00:14

this category and a glitch category,

1:00:16

which means that, like, hey, for some of

1:00:18

this, like, we don't let you use glitches to

1:00:20

skip past you know, a Meridian City in Pokemon

1:00:23

Blue. That's not real. But like or

1:00:25

like, hey, in this, don't use a glitch

1:00:27

to skip past lava lava pass in

1:00:29

Jack and Dexter one. And

1:00:32

that's a whole category. People race at that time because

1:00:34

it requires a different skill set. And then

1:00:36

here's like, oh, the glitch percent to

1:00:38

category where you can just use whatever

1:00:40

you want to get through the game as

1:00:42

fast as possible. And like you get whatever glitches that are discoverable

1:00:44

and and usable, that's like fair game.

1:00:47

So it's like it's

1:00:49

different because I can

1:00:51

totally understand, like, what

1:00:52

Heather is saying, like, sometimes speedruns are really boring

1:00:54

because you're just, like, in a menu the whole

1:00:56

time and you're, like, sure, violating data

1:00:58

and RNG like that and you're like, oh, like

1:01:01

this isn't how I really wanna experience

1:01:03

Pokemon even if it's being beaten in

1:01:05

sixteen minutes. But then there

1:01:08

are, like, speed runs where it's like, yeah, you can't use any glitches. So

1:01:10

guess what? Here's your mud tip.

1:01:12

Reset until you or reset or use r and

1:01:14

g until you have, like, the favorable nature,

1:01:16

favorable stats.

1:01:18

and then, like, go. Like, do your best and and try to

1:01:20

try to work with what the game gives you to to

1:01:22

to do it the fastest. That's why it's

1:01:25

just a shit seems magical to me is when is,

1:01:27

like, watching, like, a glittless glittless run of, like,

1:01:29

a a platformer. I watched some of I watched

1:01:31

some of when we did Super Meat Boy

1:01:33

on the podcast. Super Meat Toy

1:01:35

Friends. It may have even played one, and it was just like, this

1:01:37

is fucking unbelievable, but just the

1:01:40

technique here. k. What

1:01:42

what were on that note? Can I talk about can I just

1:01:44

show some of my favorite speed run. I I

1:01:46

think I've played this on the podcast before.

1:01:48

Mhmm. But this is this is a

1:01:50

a speedrun of Dragon

1:01:52

Warrior aka Dragon

1:01:54

quest one. This is from Games done quick a few years ago. This was from

1:01:56

NES Cardinality, and he

1:01:58

gets through the the full game. This this,

1:01:59

you know, j

1:02:02

this massive JRPG, largely by taking advantage of

1:02:04

of RNG, but he just has such a great

1:02:06

sense of everything and explains it so thoroughly.

1:02:09

so he gets this this, you know, this game in twenty

1:02:12

seven minutes. Let's watch some

1:02:14

of this.

1:02:39

Anyway,

1:02:44

just like what? That shit just is

1:02:45

so staggering to me that this guy

1:02:48

figured all

1:02:50

this out. and that he's

1:02:52

able to explain explain it so

1:02:54

fluidly while executing it, which also

1:02:56

involves like, hey, I'm gonna pause here for

1:02:58

sixteen frames. like like just

1:03:00

kinda casually sit talking through it as he does

1:03:02

it. It's it's I don't know.

1:03:03

That's that's the shortest shit that he just

1:03:05

find find amazing. Yeah.

1:03:07

I think it's like

1:03:08

it it speaks a lot to, like, the watchability

1:03:10

of it. Like, I I think the reason

1:03:11

why it's it's a big thing on on Twitch

1:03:14

specifically is

1:03:16

because it's really nice to have someone knowledgeable talk you through a game, but also

1:03:18

like like with a game like Mario or

1:03:20

any

1:03:20

platform or a Super Meat Boy. If you

1:03:24

it's funny, especially if it's Right. Right. Like, would you watch

1:03:26

three hours of LeBron James occasionally,

1:03:28

like, breaking, like, you know,

1:03:30

free free throws? Like, sometimes

1:03:32

that shit is just, like, really funny and, like,

1:03:34

really painful when you're on a good run and

1:03:36

you have to reset, you know, depending

1:03:38

on the the kind of environment that

1:03:41

you have. And so Yeah. That that's,

1:03:43

like, it's for this for the very same reasons I'm, like, captivated

1:03:45

because I know that if you mess up, it's

1:03:47

gonna be really embarrassing. It's like the stakes

1:03:49

are kinda high,

1:03:52

you know? Yeah. There's genuine tension, and they'll also, like, just

1:03:54

genuine alation when it's pulled

1:03:56

off. Yeah. Which is I I you

1:03:58

know, again, I I don't know.

1:03:59

I guess, I got really

1:04:02

into project runway for a time even though

1:04:04

I don't know anything about fashion. Mhmm. But, you

1:04:06

know, my wife and I were just watching it because and

1:04:08

it's just like, is these people who are so fucking amazing at what they do. I don't know

1:04:10

how you you you I don't know how you so

1:04:12

like this. Mhmm. And how you conceive of a

1:04:14

an article of clothing like this and then make it happen

1:04:17

out of fabric. and thread. And so and I I think there's

1:04:19

just a level of there's just part of me that I just I

1:04:21

usually watch people I like watching people who are good

1:04:24

at what they

1:04:26

do and because I

1:04:28

know video games and and I I know

1:04:30

a lot of the games that are being streamed. I'm

1:04:32

I'm and speedrun, I I'm I'm just

1:04:34

compelled for that reason. I I

1:04:36

think

1:04:36

about that. What you just said about, like,

1:04:38

like, just not

1:04:39

being able

1:04:40

to, like, conceive of, like, how

1:04:43

somebody could do something like that. Like,

1:04:45

you get like, I mean, this is, like,

1:04:47

the biggest example of that probably, but, like, when

1:04:49

I was watching the the

1:04:52

that Peter Jackson Beatles thing and, like,

1:04:54

Paul McCartney, basically, like, speedruns,

1:04:56

writing, like, get back

1:04:58

or whatever. That's right. And you're just,

1:05:00

like, Jesus Christ. It took him,

1:05:02

like, an hour probably. He was just,

1:05:04

like, mhmm. But again, he's,

1:05:06

like, thinking, you know, it's still kinda mumbling to

1:05:08

himself. And then, like, in a couple of

1:05:10

days he had one of the greatest

1:05:12

songs ever recorded. And I was like,

1:05:14

that's insane. But

1:05:16

I think that's that is on the same level

1:05:19

as somebody who is really

1:05:22

really great at guitar hero. Like

1:05:24

somebody like somebody Oh,

1:05:26

yeah. is like playing on expert mode and doesn't miss

1:05:28

a single note in guitar hero. I'm like, do

1:05:30

these people have different hands than

1:05:34

me? they're better at having hands

1:05:36

than I am. I mean, speaking

1:05:38

of Catariro specifically, there's this really heartwarming

1:05:40

moment where at AGD you.

1:05:43

It's a guitar hero showcase, and they're playing through the

1:05:46

fire and flames because a donation

1:05:48

incentive has been met. Mhmm. And it's

1:05:50

someone strumming along on a

1:05:52

plastic guitar And the

1:05:54

whole crowd, which is like, nerds like

1:05:56

me, are all singing the chorus of through

1:05:58

the fire and flames as if it's like a real

1:05:59

show. And there's something

1:06:01

like like like like,

1:06:03

if you if you look at it, you you can look at it really

1:06:05

cynically, but you can also look at it really like earnestly and it's

1:06:07

really heartwarming to see, like,

1:06:10

to see that kind of, like, camaraderie and,

1:06:13

like, acknowledgment of the silliness while also

1:06:15

being, like, oh, this is a shared experience that we

1:06:17

have or watching someone someone

1:06:20

thread shred on a a plastic controller. Let's let's sing the course

1:06:22

and have a good time. And so -- Right. -- if people

1:06:24

haven't seen that, that's also like a really cool

1:06:28

showcase slash quote unquote speedrun.

1:06:30

Yeah. That's making me think of the

1:06:32

it's it's the daigou Perry.

1:06:36

Right? Heather? Yes. Yes. And that's

1:06:38

a similar sort of thing. It's just, like, evo

1:06:39

moment thirty seven, I

1:06:41

think. And just the energy of the that

1:06:44

live crowd just exploding when

1:06:46

they're all witnessing that. And then also that's a

1:06:48

thing, like, I've shown that video to people who

1:06:50

don't know, you know, video games and they still you

1:06:52

still get it. You still can understand what's coming across based of

1:06:54

the crowd reaction that the you

1:06:56

can still kind of get the stakes from it and it's

1:06:58

it's still excited for that reason.

1:07:01

but I'm I'm I'm thinking that I mean,

1:07:03

like, this is probably this is

1:07:06

basically what you said, Heather. But, like and, like, kind of,

1:07:08

like, like, like, III imagine, like,

1:07:10

high level you know, like like a a competitive

1:07:12

fighting game, videos, you know,

1:07:14

like like something you'll see like an Evo tournament

1:07:16

video kind of accomplishes the same thing

1:07:18

for you.

1:07:20

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. If you

1:07:21

were to scratch that same edge, it would be like,

1:07:23

man, I don't even know what the fuck I'm looking

1:07:25

at. Like, I I

1:07:27

can't imagine processing

1:07:30

visual information fast enough

1:07:33

to understand it as fast

1:07:36

as they do and then also to have the

1:07:38

reflexes and,

1:07:40

like, just not missing

1:07:43

a combo ever. It's

1:07:44

-- Right. -- it it I

1:07:46

I do think

1:07:47

that there's a future where

1:07:48

there is an e sport

1:07:52

package

1:07:52

incorporated into the Olympics. I don't think there

1:07:54

will be a way to to

1:07:58

ignore

1:07:58

the presence

1:07:59

of high level gaming

1:08:02

in sports. Mhmm.

1:08:04

Especially as e sports gets

1:08:06

so large that it has begun to eclipse

1:08:09

huge sections of sports and sports

1:08:12

entertainment. So I wouldn't

1:08:14

be surprised if in the same way we're

1:08:16

like, grandpa's were like,

1:08:18

well, I can't believe they they added snowboarding to the Olympics as

1:08:20

snowboards.

1:08:21

It's just for

1:08:24

doing drugs.

1:08:25

that at some point, video games would be like

1:08:27

yeah. It'll be like, okay. This year, the

1:08:30

Olympics

1:08:31

is incorporating eSports. and

1:08:35

people will be so angry about it. Yeah. Oh, boy.

1:08:37

They'll be so angry. Speaking of

1:08:39

that though, I sent

1:08:41

this in a group

1:08:44

chat and It's somebody

1:08:46

somebody on Twitch, a man named Nico,

1:08:48

over a hundred.

1:08:49

This is not really

1:08:52

a speedrun. But

1:08:54

I would sort of consider this feat

1:08:56

as a a speedrun considering what he accomplished in

1:08:58

this time. Mhmm. In a hundred and twenty days,

1:09:02

He played through all

1:09:04

of the from software games,

1:09:06

demon souls, dark souls one,

1:09:08

two, and three, blood borne,

1:09:11

Securo, and Eldon Ring, without taking

1:09:13

a single hit in any of them.

1:09:16

This man

1:09:17

this man is the

1:09:19

greatest athlete on Earth. This was all and

1:09:22

this was all one run.

1:09:25

Right? Like, if you got if he took,

1:09:27

like, you know, if he got hit once in bloodborne, he

1:09:29

had to restart the whole thing. Yes. And

1:09:31

so this was all one

1:09:33

run. I don't

1:09:35

know how, like, you know, obviously, he's not

1:09:37

streaming a hundred and twenty days straight. Maybe he did, like, but

1:09:40

not, like,

1:09:43

you know, in hours, but, like, he would stream it like that.

1:09:45

Like, the amount of concentration that would

1:09:47

take -- Yeah. -- the

1:09:49

human brain, the average

1:09:52

human brain, is not capable of that,

1:09:54

I think. This is a special being. Yes. When I rhyme in an improvised

1:09:56

song,

1:09:56

I feel like

1:09:59

I've

1:09:59

done some thing. Yes. I

1:10:02

This is a human who

1:10:03

I I yeah. It's

1:10:05

it's actually incomprehensible

1:10:08

to me.

1:10:09

comprehensible the me You

1:10:11

saw any

1:10:11

other any

1:10:13

other thoughts on

1:10:15

speedrunning? I I have one quote from the

1:10:17

the a quick history of speedrunning I wanna I

1:10:19

wanna read, but before we get

1:10:21

to that. I,

1:10:22

like, I think the one thing that

1:10:24

we we

1:10:25

kinda touched on is that

1:10:28

sometimes, like, there'll be games

1:10:30

that are that are not supposed to be speedrun games that, like like, I think there's, like, Yu Gio

1:10:32

Legacy of the dualist maybe

1:10:34

or, like, games where it's, like,

1:10:38

there's way too much luck involved.

1:10:40

There's way too much luck involved and you

1:10:42

can't control it. And so how could anyone

1:10:45

even possibly get like a remotely

1:10:47

correct or a simple path. And still accomplished and you have to like

1:10:49

watch people struggle through the RNG, but also

1:10:51

make decisions in

1:10:54

a way that where it's like oh, each one will kind of kind

1:10:56

of be different. And I also think

1:10:58

that that's a really interesting element for

1:11:00

me.

1:11:00

Like, a lot of JRPGs,

1:11:03

you're not supposed to you're not supposed to

1:11:05

speedrun. Like, they require level of grinding. And just like the creative creative ways

1:11:07

that people get around that too. I I

1:11:11

yeah. I really like luck, whether it's

1:11:13

unmanipulated or manipulated black. That's like another flavor of it. That's

1:11:15

really nice for me. For sure. Like I like,

1:11:17

you know,

1:11:18

I remember I I was watching

1:11:20

some a speedrun, they they

1:11:22

got to a boss fight, and they were like, okay. So hopefully, so they had this boss has three attacks

1:11:25

right now. Hopefully,

1:11:28

they do this attack because

1:11:30

that's the easiest to get extra hits on. It's like, okay. No. They didn't. This is the worst

1:11:32

outcome. Oh. Okay. Hopefully, the fireball

1:11:34

they shot goes towards the other corner.

1:11:39

get extra hit in. Okay. No, it didn't. It's going towards like,

1:11:41

like, everything basically went wrong with the r and g

1:11:43

and they just still kinda muddled through it.

1:11:45

And, yeah, like, I I don't

1:11:47

know. It's it's IIIII

1:11:50

find I find all that shit compelling. I totally agree with you. Here's a here's a but also things that aren't

1:11:52

RNG dependent that are purely

1:11:54

just like who can do shit

1:11:57

the fastest. That's also that's also fucking fascinating. Here's a here's a quick quote I found.

1:11:59

This is from a quick history of speedrunning by

1:12:04

Max Carter. Shortly thereafter in

1:12:05

nineteen eighty, Activision released a game entitled Dragster. The objective of this game

1:12:07

was to complete a Drag

1:12:10

Race as quickly as

1:12:12

possible. Dragster then released a

1:12:14

promotion inviting people to take pictures of their screens if they finished a race in under six seconds. The

1:12:16

in house record was

1:12:18

five point six four seconds.

1:12:22

In nineteen eighty two, gaming enthusiasts Todd

1:12:24

Rogers did just that with a world record

1:12:26

time of five point five one seconds. This

1:12:28

brought Rogers fame in the gaming community and

1:12:30

led him to becoming the world's first paid professional

1:12:32

gamer. So, yeah, back in I mean, you know, back in

1:12:34

the arcade, the pre console days effectively, you

1:12:39

know, Speedrunning was was was birth back then even though we think of

1:12:41

it as as such AAA thing that's

1:12:43

linked to streaming in YouTube and

1:12:45

and and the Internet.

1:12:47

Like, it's it's been a part of

1:12:49

gaming's DNA since, basically, since inception. Mhmm. Well,

1:12:51

hey. This is just

1:12:54

a

1:12:54

I don't know. Maybe

1:12:56

this was more for me than anything,

1:12:59

but I wanna talk about speedruns. I love it. I'm fascinated it. If anyone's

1:13:01

got a

1:13:01

favorite speedrun they want to to

1:13:03

to send us by

1:13:06

the way. You know, feel free to post it in our discord. I

1:13:08

always love to check them out. Either as

1:13:10

a one you're a fan of

1:13:13

or one that you've done. hey, well, they're

1:13:15

great. I love seeing both. But it's

1:13:17

time for a segment. It's time

1:13:19

to take a trip down memory card lane

1:13:21

with her own Heather Anne

1:13:23

Campbell. She's got a game for a retro collection in Heather's Hole. Let's

1:13:29

welcome to

1:13:31

my

1:13:31

home. God. I

1:13:38

do feel like

1:13:39

I'd like didn't

1:13:41

I I should have explained more

1:13:43

to you, Saad. No.

1:13:46

I didn't. I'm ready. U

1:13:48

Song

1:13:49

is our

1:13:50

guest today, and

1:13:53

he was born in

1:13:55

nineteen ninety five. right.

1:13:58

That's true. So from my

1:13:59

whole, I

1:14:04

have produced three games

1:14:06

that

1:14:06

were first released in nineteen ninety

1:14:07

five. Wow. A true

1:14:09

treasure trove

1:14:12

of collectible

1:14:14

collectible excitement

1:14:15

excitement. First, in

1:14:18

what is effectively

1:14:19

a

1:14:20

we're pristine box pristine box,

1:14:22

Donkey

1:14:23

Kong Country two for this --

1:14:25

Wow. Wow. --

1:14:27

this game

1:14:27

wild. This game

1:14:30

was released I I have them all at this

1:14:32

point so at this point

1:14:34

in game collecting, it's like having fucking

1:14:37

vinyl

1:14:37

album. It's like having

1:14:39

original releases of the Beatles. Like -- Yeah. -- price on these

1:14:42

things are unfair

1:14:45

unfair and

1:14:47

restrictive and stupid. I I

1:14:49

didn't

1:14:49

even Google what an

1:14:52

inbox

1:14:52

donkey kong country

1:14:55

to goes for. but

1:14:56

I'm sure it's upsetting. And it's not

1:14:58

even the most upsetting

1:14:59

of the three games that I'm going

1:15:01

to show to

1:15:02

you song today. Oh my god.

1:15:05

Where do

1:15:06

you see some upsetting shit you saw? Yes. I'm ready to be horrified. Wait. Let's

1:15:08

let's look at the let's look at the

1:15:10

fucking price point on on donkey

1:15:11

kong country

1:15:13

Tongue

1:15:16

kong,

1:15:16

country to super

1:15:18

NES Show.

1:15:20

super any us show

1:15:23

are we looking at? Oh, nice. had

1:15:24

oh,

1:15:26

interesting.

1:15:27

I'm seeing I'm

1:15:29

seeing a listing

1:15:31

here on eBay. Well, this is the

1:15:33

thing. It's this one's graded. So that's different. Yeah. Yeah. That's graded. I for

1:15:35

a graded

1:15:36

graded

1:15:37

copy is, like, three thousand

1:15:39

seven hundred dollars, but think grading is a scam. Yeah. I think if

1:15:42

you if you go right down the middle of

1:15:44

the road

1:15:46

on these copies, This one's not actually worth that much. It's

1:15:49

an inbox is like somewhere

1:15:51

around seventy eighty dollars.

1:15:53

Not too bad.

1:15:56

Too bad? That's that's a fair price

1:15:58

for an old video game. If anything, it's probably cheaper with inflation. Unfortunately,

1:16:00

our second

1:16:02

game in this in

1:16:04

this week weeks

1:16:07

collection is chrono trigger inbox, which is significantly

1:16:08

trigger the a box which allows

1:16:10

six minutes

1:16:11

more expensive. on

1:16:13

the used game circuit. I didn't open this one up

1:16:15

to see if I still

1:16:17

had the instruction manual and

1:16:20

stuff because opening

1:16:22

these boxes. I'm terrified of damaging

1:16:24

them

1:16:25

now. For sure.

1:16:26

Yeah. And I

1:16:28

did open this

1:16:29

third box. which

1:16:31

is of of

1:16:33

our

1:16:33

good boy, Earthbound. Wow.

1:16:36

Earthbound had

1:16:37

still I

1:16:39

of the manual for Earthbound and I'd like to read from it right now

1:16:41

because I don't know that I've ever read

1:16:43

the manual for Earthbound. Our

1:16:46

hero and his friends.

1:16:48

In Earthbound, you play as four friends who

1:16:50

are on a mission to save the world

1:16:52

and ultimately the universe from an evil

1:16:55

entity named guys. In the beginning of the game, you are a single character

1:16:57

who has been giving an awesome adventure to

1:16:59

complete. As you travel from place to place,

1:17:01

you meet these friends and the power of

1:17:03

your group grows. An

1:17:06

age old prophecy tells the group of the group of friends and their influence on the plans of Geigus. Now step into shoes

1:17:08

of these friends

1:17:11

as they strive to fulfill

1:17:14

their incredible destiny. Our four

1:17:17

friends are:

1:17:18

Ness, Paula,

1:17:20

Jeff, and

1:17:21

poo. Earthbound was

1:17:23

released at

1:17:25

a

1:17:28

time and

1:17:28

you saw his

1:17:30

life when he was

1:17:33

zero.

1:17:33

At a time in

1:17:36

gaming when Gaming was, I would say,

1:17:38

on the whole, it was exact like, you were playing

1:17:44

the quest of a dragon warrior who was off

1:17:46

to save the universe. And their the the idea of,

1:17:48

like, meta commentary on games

1:17:50

was still in its infancy. and

1:17:54

Earthbound is a game like

1:17:56

its predecessor, Mother, which comments on the existence

1:17:58

of game tropes in a very

1:17:59

funny way. And

1:18:03

when I got earthbound as as a kid,

1:18:05

I was off put I I

1:18:07

was like, this

1:18:12

sucks. Like, I did not have

1:18:14

the artistic vein to be to appreciate it. I was like,

1:18:16

these graphics are weird,

1:18:19

the songs are crazy, The

1:18:22

combat is fucking weird. Like

1:18:25

in like in dragon

1:18:27

warrior or Pokemon or any of those the

1:18:29

games that are coming out in this

1:18:31

generation would be like Fantasy. final

1:18:32

fantasy, it'll be like, you you use your

1:18:34

magic use flames to attack the enemy. It

1:18:37

does this amount

1:18:40

of damage. they swing their sword at

1:18:42

you, you dodge all from the Legacy of Dungeons and Dragons,

1:18:44

the tabletop RPG,

1:18:47

which sort of in invented

1:18:49

or popularized a lot of this language. The fact

1:18:51

that we see, you know, level

1:18:54

up your gym game

1:18:56

on the fucking on a

1:18:59

billboard, like, think about the victory for nerds that level

1:19:02

up your gym game

1:19:04

is or level up your health

1:19:06

gain. Like, all that shit comes from seventies, eighties, and nineties

1:19:11

in role playing. But Earthbound was like,

1:19:13

you the snake wiggles

1:19:15

at you sasily. And

1:19:17

you're like, what

1:19:19

the fuck? What? that's

1:19:22

I don't like this. It bothers me. And, like, the music was

1:19:27

now awesome.

1:19:28

Then

1:19:29

very fucking

1:19:30

weird. And it

1:19:33

was

1:19:34

it came so late in the Supernius's life

1:19:36

cycle -- Mhmm. -- that this was also the

1:19:38

year that the Saturn and the PlayStation were

1:19:42

released. Right? Maybe

1:19:43

Playstation was released the following summer. I can't

1:19:45

remember. Oh, look at the timeline.

1:19:47

But the

1:19:48

Saturn is like, A

1:19:51

huge graphical step up

1:19:53

from the super Nintendo, a

1:19:55

sega CD had

1:19:56

been out for a little

1:19:59

while. I think

1:19:59

the thirty two x is right around the

1:20:02

corner. I think the

1:20:02

the beginning of Sega's fall from grace

1:20:03

is the near

1:20:07

simultaneous release of the thirty two x and the

1:20:10

Saturn. Yes. But I wanna know you

1:20:13

i wanna know you song

1:20:15

song Mhmm. There and not

1:20:16

when you think when

1:20:18

when you

1:20:19

see games from

1:20:22

nineteen ninety five

1:20:23

-- Mhmm.

1:20:25

what is

1:20:26

the energy you get from? Like, if I hear an album from the from the year I was born, I'm like, This

1:20:28

is like the oldest

1:20:31

thing I can imagine.

1:20:34

Super Nintendo game from

1:20:36

ninety five. What

1:20:37

what does it come like,

1:20:40

what what does it give

1:20:42

to you? I think it reminds me of like because I

1:20:44

think the n

1:20:45

sixty four was also just, like,

1:20:47

barely before or, like, I I

1:20:49

don't know. I engaged with it

1:20:51

really young, but I

1:20:53

remember being so enraptured with gaming like at the n

1:20:55

sixty four era when I was like eight that

1:20:59

I didn't I would rather do that than do anything,

1:21:01

which was a huge fucking blow when I realized

1:21:03

I had homework to

1:21:08

do. Like, And even hearing you

1:21:10

talk about Earthbound, I'm like, yeah, that's like still exciting to me to trace back the

1:21:15

language of Undertale. you know, like, a hundred percent.

1:21:17

Yeah. Like, oh, instead of attacking a dog, I can just pet the dog and resolve combat that

1:21:19

way. Like, that is

1:21:23

mind blowing. Like, to to have that kind

1:21:25

of meta con a commentary. So like, I don't think I'm put

1:21:27

off by

1:21:28

that because I know those

1:21:30

games also feel good to play.

1:21:34

like, the controls are probably just, like, really

1:21:36

satisfying even if they are

1:21:38

really limited. And I don't know.

1:21:40

I'm

1:21:40

just, like, excited to check them

1:21:43

out. I don't think games from that era age that badly, especially if you go with reasonable expectations.

1:21:49

And so probably the only way I can

1:21:51

really engage with them is via emulator now. But if, like, the switch releases another,

1:21:56

you know, the things that

1:21:56

you can play on switch. I'm like, I'm all

1:21:58

in. Yeah. I think that's a good point because because

1:22:00

also there

1:22:02

have been so many, you know, games like Undertale, but also,

1:22:04

hey, I mentioned Super Meat Boy earlier, a game

1:22:06

like Celeste. Like, these are games that

1:22:10

owe their existence to you

1:22:12

know, the sixteen bit era, the genesis, the

1:22:14

make slash mega drive, super Nintendo slash super famicom, you

1:22:17

know, the the the

1:22:19

the Turbo Graphics slash. The focus of

1:22:21

the Turbo Graphics called in PC engine, you know, that era of gaming when basically

1:22:23

two d gaming had

1:22:28

been perfected. had been refined to the point where, like,

1:22:30

well, the only thing to do now is add a third dimension. And and so there like,

1:22:34

there are a lot of modern games. There's a lot of there's indie games being released

1:22:36

this year that still use Pixel

1:22:38

art and, you know, a chip

1:22:42

tune soundtrack and have control schemes that are derived

1:22:44

from the super metroids in the

1:22:46

donkey kong countries of the world.

1:22:48

That

1:22:49

yeah. It's III think

1:22:51

that I think you're right. That makes that stuff still approachable. Earthbound, I didn't have as a kid. The the

1:22:57

the the I think the other thing, Heather, about that that was,

1:22:59

like, so jarring is just that it was set in a contemporary setting. Yeah. Like, I

1:23:01

remember reading about that Nintendo power and

1:23:03

being, like, what Like,

1:23:06

why is this in? Why is this just, like, in a city? Role

1:23:09

playing games are supposed to have

1:23:11

dragons and airships, you

1:23:14

know. It's it's Yeah. So it it it wasn't it wasn't extremely bold

1:23:16

stroke at the time. Although I guess mother well,

1:23:19

that was the other thing. Mother

1:23:22

wasn't released in the US. but mother is a similar thing on on the

1:23:24

famicom. Right? Well, Earthbound is

1:23:26

mother two. Right. So it's

1:23:28

mother, mother two, and mother three. Mother

1:23:31

three was released four Game Boy of

1:23:32

my favorite games I've ever

1:23:34

played. I did get a copy

1:23:36

from Matt and Nick

1:23:38

and they have not played.

1:23:40

I have it right. I've

1:23:42

played some of it and I I would like to play like

1:23:44

i i would like to play to

1:23:47

do it more. Yeah.

1:23:48

I'm gonna play it. I wanna play

1:23:50

it. On my analog pocket. It's really, really, really good. I

1:23:52

know I absolutely love it when I

1:23:54

play it. It's like extremely my shit. It's

1:23:58

it's really

1:24:00

You It's kind of

1:24:02

It's kind of

1:24:03

a miracle. Mother-three is

1:24:05

kind of incredible. Like, Like, all

1:24:07

in in the same way that, like, when we played

1:24:09

Snatcher, we were all kinda like, wow. This

1:24:12

is fun

1:24:14

and good. Yeah. Like, now it is fun and good. Yeah. Mother

1:24:16

three is like that. You're you

1:24:18

play it and you're like, I

1:24:23

can't believe this twenty year old game feels

1:24:25

as modern as it does. It it's

1:24:28

like, you know, when you hear

1:24:30

a a song from the early

1:24:32

two thousands

1:24:34

that you've never heard and you're like, fuck,

1:24:36

this is like new or

1:24:38

or or a

1:24:39

Like -- Mhmm. -- when

1:24:41

you see So I recently went back and

1:24:44

watched all the mission impossible

1:24:46

films

1:24:46

-- Hell yeah. -- and

1:24:48

the early ones have aged

1:24:51

poorly except I think the JJ Abrams

1:24:53

one which looks like a

1:24:55

marvel movie. And I and I

1:24:57

mean that in all of the

1:25:00

sort of uncomfortable,

1:25:01

complimentary, non complementary ways that you can assume,

1:25:03

I mean it. It looks

1:25:07

like everything visually

1:25:10

that they do in Mission Impossible three

1:25:12

is now just incorporated into

1:25:14

all fucking action movies. And

1:25:18

mother three feels like a sort an artifact

1:25:20

that you're like, I don't this

1:25:22

is so good. Mhmm. And I

1:25:25

I guess I should give Earth

1:25:27

I haven't ever beaten earthbound.

1:25:28

I feel embarrassed

1:25:30

to say

1:25:31

that. No. That's it actually

1:25:33

reminds

1:25:33

me there's the do you ever see

1:25:35

the hard drive headline that's

1:25:37

a a huge

1:25:38

earthbound fan excited to play it for the

1:25:44

first time. I've

1:25:48

I've probably played half of

1:25:50

it. Is that -- Yes. --

1:25:52

like, Like

1:25:54

Final Fantasy tactics advanced, which I had

1:25:57

to let go of in order to play

1:25:59

more Fortnite and Persona

1:25:59

five. Like it's just gonna be

1:26:02

one of those games that's perennially unfinished

1:26:04

for me.

1:26:05

Every single year,

1:26:07

I'll try again.

1:26:08

But

1:26:11

yeah, I I also think

1:26:13

I didn't purchase it until I

1:26:15

worked at electronics boutique. Wow.

1:26:17

And by that point, it was discounted. Yeah. So like the small

1:26:19

the small box I have is

1:26:22

because the big box was

1:26:24

damaged. and

1:26:26

they gave me like a display only box, which

1:26:28

was like when

1:26:29

you when you had shelves of

1:26:31

Super Nintendo games. in

1:26:34

order to make to fit as many games on the shelves as possible, they would have, demo

1:26:39

packaging for it

1:26:40

and it would just

1:26:42

save for display only. came in. But

1:26:49

looking on eBay, that box itself, just the box, just

1:26:51

the four demo the demo play by its three hundred and thirty dollars.

1:26:53

Jesus. Jesus. For just the

1:26:55

fucking box, man, And

1:26:59

then

1:26:59

the game itself averages

1:27:00

about four

1:27:01

hundred. What is

1:27:04

that?

1:27:04

is that that's not

1:27:07

That's not good. but

1:27:08

should just make me feel good for

1:27:10

having kept it. By the way, just to return to when the PlayStation released the

1:27:15

PlayStation was released in Japan in December of nineteen

1:27:17

ninety four. But didn't make its

1:27:20

way

1:27:20

to North America

1:27:22

until September of nineteen ninety five -- Mhmm.

1:27:24

-- which is that that's one of those those pre internet, you

1:27:26

know, sort of things that would happen, standing up with a dreamcast. It was like a full year between

1:27:28

the Japanese release and the US

1:27:31

release. And nowadays, that makes zero

1:27:33

cents, like they said, would just never a after

1:27:36

was

1:27:36

announced to

1:27:40

e three. Like,

1:27:41

it was like the

1:27:43

first, like, surprise launch. Right? Right. They're

1:27:45

like so the PlayStation is coming

1:27:48

this fall. And

1:27:50

as a result, we are going to release the Saturn to you, a

1:27:53

week and

1:27:56

a half. It is

1:27:58

very expensive. The box is

1:27:59

big. There are

1:28:02

games

1:28:03

on the back of

1:28:05

the Saturn box which will never

1:28:07

be released and that's true.

1:28:08

It's

1:28:14

it's like a typical kinda sega

1:28:17

thing of

1:28:17

just, like, even when they're ahead

1:28:19

of their time, they do it

1:28:21

wrong. Like, it's right. It's like it's like, okay.

1:28:24

So, well, hey, this surprise release. By the time Steve

1:28:26

Jobs was doing that, everyone was like, oh, wow. There's

1:28:28

a new iPhone. I can go buy it right now.

1:28:30

I'll go do that. I'll go queue up for it. And

1:28:32

but back then, it was like you

1:28:34

still needed, you know, fucking print

1:28:37

media. and the lead time was such that that

1:28:39

you would you would like go to the store and see a new stage of console and be what? What's that? You know,

1:28:41

you know, the these three games

1:28:43

were really nice

1:28:44

but

1:28:47

the truth is here. I'm gonna grab a different one that was Alright.

1:28:49

They're stepping away for a

1:28:51

second. And while she's doing that,

1:28:53

just to talk about that era,

1:28:56

the the the the PlayStation, Saturn, that first generation of

1:28:58

three d consoles. You can you can throw the the n

1:29:01

sixty four

1:29:04

in there. I

1:29:04

feel like in terms of what what games

1:29:06

have aged well, I feel like that, you know, this

1:29:09

is this is this

1:29:11

is a part pretty much a consensus opinion. But

1:29:13

like the sixteen bit era games, the generation before that had the age so much better than those

1:29:16

first generation three d games, a

1:29:18

lot of them are just flat out

1:29:20

unplayable. Yeah. I

1:29:22

also, like, it's depending on what your definition of game is. You could argue that, like, Donkey Kong Country two is more a game

1:29:28

than, like, archim asylum. Like, in

1:29:30

the sense that -- Sure. -- you have, like, more control. Even even though you have more limitations,

1:29:32

there's, like, there's

1:29:35

less hand holding, like, you

1:29:37

still have, you know, still have choices and

1:29:39

the and the controls feel like more responsive. So

1:29:42

yeah. I it it, like, really depends. Like,

1:29:44

long as the movement is is is

1:29:46

pleasurable to do, then I'm like, hell yeah, that hasn't aged poorly at all. Arkem

1:29:48

asylum is pretty rad though. Sorry. Sorry.

1:29:50

Random

1:29:50

pot shot at Arkem asylum. I

1:29:54

have your back. Here's

1:29:57

a nineteen ninety

1:29:59

five game that ranks

1:30:01

much lower on the list

1:30:04

of collectibles, but is still

1:30:06

available

1:30:06

in my whole. You wish it?

1:30:10

Sim

1:30:10

City two thousand restaurants.

1:30:12

wow

1:30:15

Wow. I

1:30:18

purchased this actually pretty

1:30:20

recently. So this isn't actually

1:30:22

from the era because no

1:30:25

maniac in nineteen ninety

1:30:27

five is like, wow. Panzer

1:30:29

Dragoon, Virtual Fighter.

1:30:30

I'm gonna get Sim

1:30:33

City two thousand for

1:30:35

the But, you know, the

1:30:37

the you get the

1:30:39

manual in there, the

1:30:41

game. And then on the

1:30:43

back, it says,

1:30:45

this shocks me. I don't know that I've ever

1:30:48

read

1:30:48

the

1:30:48

back of Sim

1:30:51

City two thousand. Soon

1:30:55

City two thousand has all the features, flexibility, art, animation, and

1:30:57

power you need to build the city of

1:30:59

your dreams. Design and sculpt

1:31:01

terrain any way you like it. Creek Hills, valleys,

1:31:03

lakes, rivers, and waterfalls. When earthquakes, fires,

1:31:05

riots, tornadoes, or alien invasion

1:31:08

strike, you'll be thrown

1:31:10

into disaster mode, and you'll need all your gaming skills, instincts,

1:31:12

brainpower, and speed to

1:31:15

survive. Scenario challenges include

1:31:17

load The nineteen ninety

1:31:19

one Oakland fire. Oh,

1:31:21

Jesus Jesus.

1:31:23

Unemployment in

1:31:26

Flint, Michigan Jesus. And hurricane Hugo

1:31:29

hits Charleston. And that's

1:31:31

the final sentence.

1:31:32

Thank god.

1:31:35

This came out in two thousand

1:31:37

and not two thousand and one.

1:31:39

You know, this came out,

1:31:41

and I nineteen ninety 500I

1:31:45

didn't even get

1:31:47

your joke. Fuck. expansion

1:31:49

packs include

1:31:50

You can also see how fucking

1:31:54

terrified and

1:31:56

rushed sega was when they

1:31:58

released the Saturn because the pack in game of Virtual Fighter comes

1:31:59

in game a virtual fighter

1:32:03

a shaped box that they didn't end

1:32:05

up using without any of the the graphics or, like, it's

1:32:08

it's are like it's

1:32:10

it's going place holder got like placeholder

1:32:12

It's

1:32:12

fucking ridiculous. It's in

1:32:14

a straight up jewel case versus the regular jewel case. Yeah. Versus

1:32:17

the Long Boy

1:32:20

Saturn packaging.

1:32:21

tall boy rather. Yeah.

1:32:23

That's right, Heather. Thank you for sharing those. You're welcome. And this You see has

1:32:25

your gum been

1:32:28

My

1:32:29

Oh.

1:32:32

And this has been this this week's get

1:32:34

play. You can at least store Discord, Twitch,

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and social media in the episode description.

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