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1:01

we are here for more happier,

1:03

a podcast where we get more

1:05

happier. Join

1:19

us for some weekend listening with a

1:21

little bit of a looser vibe. Hey,

1:23

Elizabeth. Hi, Graz. Today

1:25

we'll talk about Elizabeth's experience with

1:28

Orange Theory and my experience with

1:30

the eclipse. At

1:32

first, Elizabeth, something making us more

1:34

happier. What is making you

1:36

more happier? Yes. Well, Graz, you

1:38

just mentioned Orange Theory. I finally

1:40

went. So let me remind you of the background

1:43

of this, which is that I put on my

1:45

24 for 24 list

1:48

that I was going to do Orange Theory

1:50

50 times. Orange Theory

1:52

is a fitness class. And

1:54

I had never done before. I should

1:56

mention when I made this decision. I

1:59

did say. if I like it, if I don't

2:01

like it, I'll pick something else. And

2:04

it's now April and I still had

2:06

not done an Orange Theory class. So

2:09

I was sort of grappling with myself like, okay,

2:11

they're gonna have to take this off my list

2:14

or I need to do it. Because if you were gonna

2:16

do it, you needed to get going on your.

2:18

Yes, yeah. Can I just say, by the way, I

2:21

had never heard of it until you mentioned it and

2:23

now of course I see mentions of it all the

2:25

time. It's how that is. It's very popular. And

2:28

by the way, one of the reasons

2:30

I even got inspired to do Orange

2:32

Theory is that Teddy Mellencamp, who is

2:35

a former Real Housewife of Beverly Hills

2:37

and has a podcast that I love

2:39

about the housewives, she does Orange Theory

2:41

at the place where I'm going. So

2:43

hopefully I'll have a Teddy Mellencamp site.

2:46

Okay, but describe it. What's the nature

2:48

of it? So Orange Theory,

2:50

it's a class where you

2:53

do a combination of treadmill,

2:55

rowing machine and hand weights.

2:58

Essentially. So it's a class? It's

3:00

a class. It's a 60 minute

3:02

class. There's pumping music and

3:05

it's very engaging because

3:07

you're constantly, you're walking, you're

3:10

running, you're rowing, you're doing

3:12

this exercise, that exercise. And

3:15

I really loved it. I

3:17

will say that I came out

3:19

sort of feeling like I'd been at

3:21

a casino, like I was like, wait,

3:23

did an hour pass? Did 10 hours

3:25

pass? What is happening here? Yes,

3:28

no, I went in the middle of the day on

3:30

a Saturday and I came out fully expecting it to

3:32

be dark. And then I go, oh, it's 1.15,

3:34

okay. But it just

3:36

felt so good. And I talked about this on

3:38

Happier in Hollywood. It felt so good just to

3:40

do something that I said I was going to

3:42

do. Gretchen, I've

3:44

been reading about how we all do

3:47

need more cardio. So I got

3:49

this idea of adding more cardio.

3:51

So wow, it's a new thing.

3:54

So I did at the end of

3:57

the class decide I'm recommitting to my

3:59

50. orange theory classes.

4:02

So I basically need to try to go twice

4:04

a week. And I downloaded

4:06

the app and I did sign up

4:08

for my next two classes so

4:10

that I won't just be like, well

4:13

that was great, I'm never doing that again.

4:15

Right, like me in cryotherapy. Is

4:17

it the kind of thing where you have to concentrate so

4:19

hard on what you're doing that you sort of

4:21

don't notice how much you wish you weren't doing

4:23

it kind of thing or like how strenuous it

4:26

is because it is so absorbing to just follow

4:28

the directions? I do like that, I do like

4:30

that about classes. Yes, and two

4:32

other things I like about it. One,

4:35

it really is for you where you

4:37

are at fitness wise because you ultimately

4:39

are in control of how fast the

4:42

treadmill is going, how hard you're pulling

4:44

on the rowing machine. And

4:46

then also Gretchen, in fact you

4:49

should see a class because it

4:51

is the ultimate obliger situation. One,

4:54

you have to sign up for the class and they

4:56

do often fill up. So you really kind of do

4:58

need to sign up. And then

5:01

during the class someone is telling you

5:03

what to do every second. So you're

5:05

answering to the coach basically minute by

5:07

minute. Not only that, but

5:10

your heart rate is on

5:12

a screen where

5:15

you can see it. Oh, so you can't shirk.

5:17

So you are actually, yes, you are seeing if

5:20

you are in the gray zone or

5:22

the green zone and you want to be in the

5:24

orange zone for a certain amount of time. Oh, is

5:26

that orange theory? And that's why it's

5:28

called orange theory. So

5:30

it's an obliger's heaven because there's

5:33

a lot of accountability. Interesting,

5:36

okay. Well, I'm impressed that

5:38

you did it. And it's fun to do something new.

5:40

It's fun to keep your promise to yourself. It's fun

5:42

to try something new. I'm sure it's a

5:44

great workout if it's all new things. I

5:47

was very sweaty afterward

5:49

and very sore. That

5:52

was gratifying, yeah. So I'll report back

5:54

to you on how I do. I'm

5:56

hoping by talking about it a lot

5:58

on the podcast. That's another obliger.

6:00

Encourages me to be on the record and

6:03

to follow through now. But

6:07

the first one is so hard when it's something

6:09

you haven't done because it's

6:11

just daunting. And the second one is

6:13

daunting as well, but it's slightly

6:16

less daunting. So do you think if a person

6:18

feels self-conscious, is this like everybody's still in their

6:20

own world? Because I think sometimes people

6:22

don't like classes because they feel self-conscious. Everybody's

6:25

doing something and there's a big mirror. And if

6:27

you're out of step or whatever, or you can't

6:29

do what everybody else is doing, you

6:32

feel like you stick out. Is this the kind of

6:34

thing where it's just like everybody's just so focused on

6:36

themselves that it's good for people who might feel self-conscious?

6:38

Yes, absolutely. I feel

6:40

like everyone is very much in their

6:43

own world. Even though everybody's heart rate

6:45

is up on the screen, nonetheless, you're

6:47

just focused on yourself. Sarah

6:49

asked me, how many people were in the

6:51

class? And I said, I don't even know.

6:53

I was so focused on me. I'm

6:56

sure that'll get less so as I

6:58

do it more, but nonetheless, you're really

7:01

worried about yourself. I mean, one thing

7:03

I don't like things that are raggedy. The

7:05

idea that it's loud, I'm sure everybody's, just

7:07

their exercise is loud. And then there's all

7:09

the music to me. I'm like, gosh, that's

7:11

one thing that, I don't know.

7:13

Not appealing. That might not be appealing to me.

7:15

Well, I mean, there's all this research showing that

7:17

music helps people move in rhythm and keep their

7:20

energy up and not feel as tired. I mean,

7:22

that's why they do it because it works so

7:24

well. So there's good reason for it.

7:26

Well, well done. We just passed the 100th day

7:28

of the year recently and you

7:30

are, you're on track. Well,

7:33

I, if I, if I do it, if I

7:36

do it, I'll be on track. Okay. All

7:38

right, Gretz, what about you? What's making you more happier? Okay.

7:41

So you know, I'm doing these prompts from Paper Source

7:43

because it's national letter writing and card writing

7:45

month and I am finding it so fun.

7:48

It's just, you know, I love ideas of

7:50

everyday creativity. And so this has been

7:52

really fun. I sent you your haiku.

7:55

Yes. I got my haiku. I love it.

7:58

I put it on the wall near my computer. so

8:00

I can see it all the time. And

8:02

I never just send you mail. No, it

8:04

was so exciting. Now I wasn't surprised since

8:06

I knew you were sending it. I knew

8:08

you were gonna be sending letters. I wasn't

8:10

as surprised as I would have been at

8:12

another time. I had another thing. You weren't

8:14

as honest. But I was thrilled with my

8:16

haiku. But here's something, okay, so you know

8:18

that I do have a kind of embarrassingly

8:20

large sticker collection because for some reason I

8:22

just love, love, love stickers. And by the

8:24

way, there has been an explosion in like

8:26

super cool stickers, like adult stickers. But like

8:28

what does one do with one's stickers? This is

8:30

the thing. It's like how do you put them to

8:33

use because otherwise you just have this big stack of

8:35

stickers in books. But so

8:37

I've been creating my own postcards because

8:40

I just take a card and put stickers, you

8:42

know, whatever themed stickers make sense to somebody and

8:44

then use the other side for a message and

8:46

to send a postcard. I find that

8:48

really fun like this, oh, I'll go

8:50

through all my sticker books and see if

8:53

I find a good image of a grandfather

8:55

clock or you know, or spell out a

8:57

name and letters stickers. So that's

8:59

been super fun. Well and Gretchen, what I

9:01

love about that is it is spending out.

9:04

Because I think stickers are the kind of

9:06

thing that can be hard if you're someone

9:08

who hoards and saves. It

9:10

can be hard to use a sticker, but

9:12

ultimately that's the satisfaction is in using it.

9:14

So I'm proud of you for spending out

9:17

on your stickers. Okay, but here's the embarrassing

9:19

thing. You know when you do something and you're

9:21

like, what am I doing? I'm a mystery to myself,

9:23

like what is going on inside my brain? So

9:25

one of my favorite books of stickers is the

9:28

John Darien, I'll put a link. Is the John

9:30

Darien sticker book, it's so beautiful. So I got

9:32

it and I was like, this sticker book is

9:34

so beautiful, I can't use it. Because

9:36

I have to keep all the stickers. And then I'm

9:39

like, that doesn't make any sense. What is the point

9:41

of the sticker book if you don't use the stickers?

9:43

So then I bought another identical sticker book. Now I

9:45

can use my stickers because I know that I have.

9:47

Now why did I not store it at the store?

9:49

There's literally a John Darien store in New York City,

9:51

not to mention online. I should have waited until I

9:54

needed it. But I'm like, I know that I just

9:56

will not be able to spend out, I will not

9:58

be able to use stickers. unless

10:00

I know that I own a backup, which

10:03

just makes no sense. That's funny. Anyway, I've

10:06

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10:08

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10:10

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10:31

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10:33

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10:36

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10:38

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10:40

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10:42

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10:44

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10:49

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10:51

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10:53

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10:55

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10:57

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11:00

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11:02

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11:04

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11:07

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11:09

so much fun thinking of those and now

11:11

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11:13

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11:16

that the average person can do without spending

11:18

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11:20

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11:22

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11:24

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11:26

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12:47

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12:49

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12:51

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12:54

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12:56

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12:58

that's opening in Kansas City. It's called

13:00

the Rabbit Hole. There was

13:02

a big article about it in the New

13:04

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13:07

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13:09

this place is. It was once a tin

13:11

can factory, and now it has 40 books

13:14

themed dioramas that are life-size. Oh, wow. In this

13:16

huge space, you can walk through it. It looks

13:18

amazing, and here's the thing, Alyssa, we were just

13:20

in Kansas City. I had like written it on

13:22

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13:24

about it. We've got to go. Our

13:27

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13:29

it was. It was like he loves to just

13:31

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13:33

took over, but then they were closed. The days

13:35

that we were there, and I had my speaking

13:37

so we couldn't do it. So it worked out

13:39

that there I was in Kansas City. It had

13:41

just opened. There was this big article, and yet

13:43

I could not go. Very, very frustrating, but

13:46

I'm so excited the next time I'm in Kansas

13:48

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13:51

It'll be a great thing to do when we're

13:53

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13:55

love children's literature, but I also do love

13:57

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14:00

of picture books. The people who started

14:03

it are former bookstore owners and they're

14:05

also long married artists, Pete Cowden and

14:07

Deb Pettid. I think it's

14:09

by the old airport, you know that area. Yes. But

14:12

I am just so enchanted by

14:14

this. We live within walking distance

14:17

of the Toy Miniature Museum. I'm

14:19

like, what is happening in Kansas

14:21

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14:23

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14:25

Crij, I think you're getting my

14:27

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14:29

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14:31

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14:33

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14:36

it is. I'll take it to anyway. I can't wait to go.

14:39

I feel like we'll go every time

14:41

we're in Kansas City. We'll have to

14:43

do a video when we go. Yes,

14:45

it sounds very, very exciting. Excellent. The

14:47

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14:49

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15:10

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great! I haven't meaning to ask you

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about the eclipse because New York cause

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18:24

more than we are here in L

18:26

A it tell me all about your

18:28

eclipse experience. It feels very five cents

18:30

was very five cents and related there

18:32

was so much fun. Okay so first

18:35

I want to give myself a huge

18:37

called sars very impressive myself because get

18:39

a you need glasses if you wanna

18:41

really see the A clubs and I

18:44

couldn't get my hands on any. But

18:46

then I realized. In Twenty Seven Seen

18:48

We were dropping Eliza off at college which

18:50

was super exciting and there was the clubs

18:52

and I had glasses and I thought to

18:54

myself ah I wonder if I tap those

18:56

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18:58

was something about that drama weekend So was

19:01

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19:03

and I lived in her box and sure

19:05

enough there they were. They were imperfect say

19:07

but I looked it up and I could

19:09

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19:11

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19:13

I found them like a walk straight to

19:16

them so gold. Sorry for me and it

19:18

was super been. I wanted to experience

19:20

it with other people so I went

19:22

to central park and it was so

19:24

tested there were so many people they're

19:26

really dogs and babies and like all

19:28

these people and everybody was to sort

19:30

of tottering and loving and it was

19:32

gorgeous day I mean the magnolia blossoms,

19:35

the daffodils. the person that the I

19:37

was like central park is like okay

19:39

this is my chance to sign to

19:41

lot of people they don't come here

19:43

all the time like I'm going to

19:45

bring. It's so beautiful. And the

19:47

thing that was really fun. so it's Three

19:49

Twenty Five. It was when it was like

19:51

the totality where we were a wasn't the

19:54

total totality but the totality for as the

19:56

height of the club's was at three Twenty

19:58

five pm every other glass. and

20:00

everything and then people started clapping.

20:03

It was like nature, exciting. Yeah,

20:06

oh my gosh. Yeah, it was very

20:09

cool. And did it get dark? It

20:11

didn't get dark, dark. It wasn't like

20:13

nighttime, but it definitely changed. It was

20:15

a very silvery light. It didn't look

20:17

like dusk. It looked different. It was

20:20

a very, very kind of silvery grade

20:22

out light. But you could still

20:24

easily see, but you definitely knew that something was

20:26

happening. What was surprising to me, and this is

20:28

the five senses of it, is the temperature drops

20:31

noticeably. And when it was nearing when the

20:33

sun was really getting the most obscured, you

20:35

could feel it dropping. You realize like, wow,

20:37

that heat is really pouring out of the

20:39

sun. You can feel it getting colder and

20:41

colder, and then you could feel it warming

20:43

up. That was something that I didn't remember.

20:45

I think the 2017 eclipse where I was

20:48

wasn't as much. And I don't remember

20:50

experiencing, maybe I do, I don't remember

20:52

experiencing that. This time it was

20:54

quite remarkable. Well, Gretchen, I noticed

20:57

my friend Gage, who's a professor

20:59

at Williams, went on a road

21:01

trip with his son to get

21:03

to totality. They were just like,

21:05

totality or bust. So people actually

21:08

went, which is just so fun. They have a

21:10

mission. You know, you always say it's fun to

21:12

have a mission. A quest is more fun than

21:14

a dime. I love seeing that. I was surprised.

21:17

I said to somebody, I'm surprised. This is such

21:19

a bigger deal. Like people seem to be taking

21:21

this much more seriously. You're reading about how it's

21:23

like, all these towns are benefiting from

21:25

all these unexpected tourists. And there's this

21:27

like worry, like there's not enough emergency

21:29

room coverage for all these people. And

21:32

I said to somebody, I didn't feel this big in 2017. I

21:34

guess it's a much more dramatic eclipse than

21:37

this one was in the United States. Well,

21:39

Gretchen, I'm embarrassed to say I did

21:41

not get glasses as it

21:43

was about to happen. I was on the phone with

21:46

Sarah. She had her glasses. We were

21:48

trying to figure out. That's so Sarah. Yeah,

21:50

of course Sarah had glasses. And

21:53

I'm like, what's the thing we did in school

21:55

with the box? She's like, do you have tinfoil?

21:57

She was trying to walk me through figuring out.

22:00

how to make a thing to watch

22:02

it, which I did not do,

22:04

but she narrated it for me. And Jack

22:06

at school, they had glasses and all went

22:08

out and looked at it. He saw it.

22:10

And how much was it in Los Angeles?

22:13

I'm not sure, I think maybe about 25%.

22:17

So did the light change outside? No,

22:19

it really didn't change the light from

22:21

what I could tell, but for sure,

22:23

if you had the glasses, you could

22:26

see something very cool. Yeah, no, with

22:28

the glasses, I could see just the

22:30

sliver of the sun. It really was

22:32

remarkable. And I read, Gretch,

22:34

that those glasses are a

22:36

thousand times more protective than

22:39

sunglasses. Really? That's interesting. So you

22:41

don't wanna look at it with sunglasses? No, no,

22:43

no, no, no, no, no. No, there

22:45

was a kid who was, he wasn't looking right

22:47

at the sun, but he was sort of flipping

22:49

his glasses up and down. And

22:51

then he started to kind of look up and I

22:54

was like, hey, buddy, don't be looking at the

22:56

sun. But I think that message got

22:58

shared. I feel like everywhere you looked, there were

23:00

a couple of days, it's like, whatever you do,

23:03

do not look directly into the sun. Yes,

23:06

indeed. Well, that's so fun.

23:08

I love that you got to experience that.

23:10

Yeah, it was really fun. Gretch, what's our

23:12

quotation this week? This comes from Benjamin

23:15

Franklin's, The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin, a

23:17

book that I highly recommend, especially to

23:19

anybody interested in doing their own happiness

23:21

project. It's very much in that vein.

23:24

He wrote, on the whole, though I

23:26

never arrived as a perfection, I had

23:29

been so ambitious of obtaining, but fell

23:31

far short of it. Yet as I

23:33

was by the endeavor, a better and

23:35

happier man than I otherwise should have

23:38

been had I not attempted it.

23:41

So listen, that is what I will say to you

23:43

if you get to Orange Theory 42 by the end of 2024.

23:47

Because you will be a better and happier

23:49

woman than he would have been had you

23:51

not attempted it. Good point, yes.

23:54

So, are you feeling more

23:56

happier? I am more happier,

23:58

Gretchen. Thank you. Chuck get

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24:19

grudge by Elizabeth the best thing

24:21

to start a happiness project is

24:23

20 years ago. The second best

24:25

time is now So

24:39

Liz if you think you'd ever do orange theory with

24:41

a friend like I know you like to go hiking

24:43

with other people Would you ever do this or you just

24:45

want the freedom to go whenever it suits you and not

24:47

try to coordinate? Probably don't

24:50

want to try to coordinate that. I did tell

24:52

a friend of mine I went and asked if

24:54

she was interested, but it's more like if the

24:57

stars a lot and we're there at the same

24:59

time I don't think Coordinating

25:01

is coordinating. I think it's

25:03

so and also as I said, you

25:05

don't really talk during it So

25:07

it's not as if you'd be right having

25:09

much of a social right? Where's the

25:12

hiking and framing Canyon is such a great

25:14

way to connect with that interesting, but I'll let

25:16

you know. Yeah You