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Previously on Happy Face. John
0:04
Finley is the son of Julie
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Winnie Ham, my father's last victim.
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I had heard that he wanted
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to do the things that my dad did to his mom
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to me. I want him
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to know how sorry I am
0:19
for what my father did. And
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he's behind me. He he looks,
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he looks tense. She walks
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up to down and without saying
0:30
anything, he opens up his
0:32
arms and they embrace. She
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was a kind hearted, good soul, and
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he broke every rule that he ever had
0:39
said for victims that he was going to do this to
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right. My mom broke every
0:43
rule because of her soul. He felt something
0:45
different with her. The detectives
0:48
came up to Spokane and they
0:50
questioned my mom that she said,
0:53
your dad's jail for ruder.
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I want to know what you saw. No one
0:59
knows this. I haven't told me anybody.
1:02
They opened up a room, white walls,
1:04
silver table. My mom has
1:06
a sheet covered up to her. Nick that's
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the last time I saw that. This
1:11
was a multi year relationship.
1:14
And if he could do that to her, he
1:16
could do that to anybody. Julie
1:18
was found when a local resident stopped
1:21
to take a scenic picture. Why did
1:23
the universe tell that person to stop right
1:25
here? If your mom's
1:27
body wasn't found, he would still
1:29
be out there today and the
1:35
sun don't shine.
1:40
Oh
1:44
oh nice room?
1:59
What did you think about doing? Keep?
2:03
Do you really want to know that? Yeah?
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I mean I've had I wanted
2:10
to torture him.
2:13
I've thought of burying
2:16
him up, dude, And you know what I mean, just cutting
2:18
little cuts, linen animals. You know, all
2:20
kinds of sick and twisted thoughts.
2:23
Those aren't normal thoughts. What
2:27
do you think when you had those thoughts? They
2:31
were wrong? It's
2:34
not right, but it was Yeah,
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I've had wild, wild,
2:39
wild thoughts. Gandhi
2:46
once said the weak can never
2:48
forgive. Forgiveness
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is the attribute of the strong. But
2:54
how does some find the strength to forgive the
2:56
unforgivable. I'm
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Lauren Bright Checko and this
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is happy face from
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the Oregon I In December by
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John Painter Jr. The
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last of Keith Hunter Jesperson's sentences for
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three Northwest murders was handed down
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Tuesday, when a Clark County judge ordered
3:22
him to serve a minimum of thirty four and a half years
3:25
in prison for killing a Camus woman
3:27
last March. He earlier
3:29
had admitted strangling Julie Winningham
3:32
and the sleeper of his long haul truck. The
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sentence will be served consecutively to two
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consecutive Oregon murder sentences,
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guaranteeing that Jesperson forty
3:41
will die in prison. At
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the sentencing, Winningham's son Don
3:46
Finley, described the mother as a kind
3:48
person willing to help others. Quote,
3:51
you killed her, putting her family
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in darkness. Melyssa,
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Noel and I had spent an emotional
4:02
few hours with Don. We'd had
4:05
him walk us through what he'd gone through after
4:07
Keith had brutally murdered his mom, Julianne
4:09
Winningham. How hard it was
4:12
to be surrounded by the things that reminded him
4:14
of his mom and the tails spin
4:16
it had put his life in. But the
4:18
thing that Melissa wanted to truly understand
4:21
was after carrying such anger,
4:24
how did Don come to a place where he truly
4:26
felt healed and how did he learn
4:28
to forgive? Did you
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did you think about bringing a gun into the
4:34
Oh? Yeah, they didn't
4:36
have mental detectors. Every
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day of the trial, they didn't have mental detectors.
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One day, I walked out of the court
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I was from me to your father. There was nothing
4:48
stopping me. He was full shackles,
4:50
nothing stopping me from just going at him.
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I didn't know then, but I know now why
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I didn't do it, because
4:58
he would have won. We
5:00
are not here to take another life. Okay,
5:04
it would have been over. He would
5:06
have won because I went to his level
5:08
of killing another human being. And
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now I am happy
5:13
he's in there because your
5:15
life has been miserable.
5:18
My life has been miserable.
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I have healed. Your father will
5:23
never heal, and that is no longer
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your burden, no
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longer your burding.
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Do you know about the two people
5:42
that were convicted for the crime. I
5:45
know that Laverne was assisted, that her
5:48
boyfriend John was guilty of
5:51
this crime, and that she manufactured evidence
5:54
too got him convicted
5:56
and ultimately got her convicted as well. But they
5:59
were found guilty in that they served some prison
6:01
time. And can I ask you a question, do
6:03
you think they deserved to stay in prison for
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what they said they did or do you
6:07
think they should have been released? It should have been released.
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Okay, Well,
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my opinion is he should
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have been released and she should have stayed in because
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she's the one who made the accusations.
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But they get out. As soon as they get out, they
6:22
make a movie about it instantly, within
6:24
a month, about their life story. Who
6:26
are they to bring this up? I
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was really piste off because if
6:31
they wouldn't have confessed, they may
6:34
have caught your father before
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my mom. But no, and
6:39
it screwed everything up. He
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could have been caught. It may have never happened to my mom.
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It could have saved four or five women. Because
6:47
this lady confessed to a crime she didn't
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commit to get out of an abusive relationship.
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I've had to forgive her also to
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be able to move on. I have to
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forgive the detectives for not doing
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a thorough investigation. I had to
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forgive all these people for
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not doing their job. And then I had to
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truly forgive your father. I
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had to truly forgive my my own father.
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I've had a lot of forgiving, and
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you have to forgive, not forget,
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to be able to move on. For
7:24
all of Don's words about forgiveness,
7:27
it was apparent that Jasperson
7:29
had very much gotten into his head. Do
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you know who Saundra London is? No,
7:35
I've never heard the name. This is what your father
7:37
did. Sandra London,
7:39
who was in love with the serial killer named ban Rawlings
7:41
in Florida. He executed
7:43
seven women with the machete.
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She wrote a book about him.
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Your father wrote Sandra London to
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ask her to write a book.
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She said no, but I will create
7:58
a computer book, diary or whatever her
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So your father proceeds to write her
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telling her how great it is to be in
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jail, how to get away with murder, how to
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do this. It's still on the internet
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today. It's like twenty
8:12
two pages from
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The Oregonian September by
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J. Todd Foster. Last
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year from prison, Jesperson wrote at Jacksonville,
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Florida. Woman who is fascinated with
8:29
serial killers and thinks society
8:31
should have unfettered access to their minds.
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Sandra London fifty then posted
8:37
Jesperson's letters word for word on the Internet,
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as she has other killer's letters. On
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Jesperson's page, which features a rotating
8:45
skull, he compares his victims
8:47
to garbage he discarded along America's
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roadways as a long haul truck driver.
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His most disturbing writings, however, are
8:55
contained in the self Start serial Killer
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Kit, which offers web browsers a
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size blow up doll named for one of his victims,
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Julianne Winningham.
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Winningham's son Don Finley
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of Vancouver, Washington, read Jesperson's
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website Tuesday and was appalled
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he put in part of this
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stuff that he wrote
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get yourself Start Serial Killer
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Kit. It comes with a two hour
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VHS tape of life and death situations
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that are guaranteed to scare the piss or arouse
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you are both. Take your Julie Winningham
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blow up doll with an extra springback
9:35
neck, take her mouth, put it over
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the head of your cock, and you'll soon have the living strength
9:40
to squeeze the ship out of anybody. Why
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did he pick my mom?
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Your other ha goals
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to wink getting court, it
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was fucking funny.
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Almost I jumped over the fucking
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barrier. It was grabbed because
10:13
this man. You
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could see how much Dahn was
10:25
affected by Keith. He
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still carries that hurt. But
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perhaps what's most impressive is, even
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in that emotional state, how
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he handled himself on the stand. Tanya's
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brother and sister you know didn't
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really do in court like I didn't.
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You know, you didn't see the whole thing on court
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you know, I had to. I did the rebuttal to
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your father, and I told him,
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this is the last thing I told him. I
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said, as Christians, I
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forgive you, and God will punish
10:58
you in the way you deserve to be punished. Your
11:00
father put his head down. The
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judge had a tear coming out of his
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eye. The
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only reason your father is not dead is
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because he didn't kill two women in the state of Washington.
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But he did kill one right over there and right over there, just
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a mile and a half difference. You
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what are your triggers? Like? What
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triggers you? Even even now, having
11:31
done all the work and feeling like you've
11:33
healed, you were saying that it's
11:36
everywhere, It's like Emoji's, it's Walmart.
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Why? Oh, it was because
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only because of the simple fact of the
11:44
title they gave him on the Happy Face Killer.
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Psychologically, that messed with my head.
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Everywhere I saw it would be a reminder of him.
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Now that I'm healed, I'm over it. But it
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was his thing. He's not. I can't let that beat
11:57
me up because he'll still win. As long as
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I have something going in me that he did,
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I'm never gonna him. So I have to release
12:04
it no matter how much it hurts, So
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you would. You saw it everywhere
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everywhere, everywhere, back
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of jeeps, Walmart,
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people's clothes. How many people walk around with the
12:15
happy face with the bullet in the head, you
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know, how many people walking You know what I'm saying. All
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that stuff goes through my head, you know, and
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I'm like just a flashback everywhere
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I go. I see this guy. Now many
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years it took me to get past that. I don't even
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know. It's like it's
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it's literally like being haunted by their real life
12:33
boogie man like it. And
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I an overthinking and
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I believe your father did that on
12:40
purpose. But then on the other hand, I think
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that he was just
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being mischievous
12:47
and smart assets signing it with the happy face,
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not realizing why.
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It's exactly why he winked at you
12:54
in court. It's his taking
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something so sinister and
12:58
heinous and spinning
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it to the polar opposite of like putting
13:04
it's it's his sixth sense of humor. It's
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his way of mocking people's pain.
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It's his he gets pleasure from that, and the
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smiley faces as a mockery.
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Yeah, but why do you
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feel that your dad
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used my mom's name in the thing I
13:22
told you about that you never knew about, and didn't
13:24
use Tanja Bennett or one of the other six victims.
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She was not his typical victim.
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I mean he broke all of his rules
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with her. I think it's because
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she stopped him.
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She's the reason he got caught, and
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so he resents her from
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I the creation of a serial killer by
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Jack Olsen. From
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his County jail cell, his curly brownish
13:54
mane shorn by an inmate barber,
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Keith Jasperson continued his campaign
13:59
to muddy the legal waters. Most
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of his confessional letters were sent after
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his own lawyer told him to shut up. The
14:07
notes were uniformly upbeat quote
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have a nice day from happy
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Face. Regardless
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of how Don defines the relationship
14:29
between Keith and Julie, Melissa
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saw her as a woman who could have
14:33
been her stepmother, that in
14:36
some parallel universe Melissa
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and Don could have been would
14:40
have been step siblings. Instead,
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they're now forever linked by the
14:45
emotional scars of Keith's
14:47
crimes. This is
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a I don't I
14:52
have my own answer to it. But do you think justice
14:54
was served at first?
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No? Now
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yeah, because
15:05
he loses. I told
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you he has a miserable,
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horrible life.
15:13
Me and you, we still have the opportunity
15:16
to have this open freedom,
15:18
positivity. He's around no, but
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he's around nothing but negative energy all
15:23
day as his daughter. Take
15:25
back your power, take back
15:27
that guilt and turn it into a positive,
15:30
which you've tried to do by
15:32
helping and reaching out and doing
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what you do for people. Melissa
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has tried throughout her adult life
15:39
to use her career to connect the
15:41
families of victims with the families
15:44
of perpetrators in order
15:46
to bring about closure and healing
15:49
and ultimately forgiveness. I
15:52
think you're right, yeah, that
15:55
there is some sort of divine
15:57
intervention. But this is what I struggle with, don
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I struggle with this, like, if there
16:02
is divine intervention, why
16:05
didn't that divine intervention intervene
16:07
and save your mom? If the
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universe was telling this man to
16:11
come and take a picture, couldn't the universe have
16:14
told your mom to
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not be with my dad? Like
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I said, there's a plan. We
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we are supposed to
16:25
help the screwed to the world that's out there.
16:27
We need to show them
16:29
that it doesn't the evil doesn't always
16:31
win. The villain doesn't always get away.
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We are here, we are survivors.
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We did this. It's been twenty
16:39
two years. We're done, we're
16:41
over it. Let's
16:44
do us. The only animosity
16:46
you have is something that you had no control
16:48
over and I had no control over. So
16:50
why should we let it control us any longer.
16:53
It wasn't your choice to do what he did. It wasn't
16:55
my choice. But yet we're letting his choices
16:58
control ourselves. That's wrong. Melissa's
17:15
most deeply rooted fear is that
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she is somehow like her father, capable
17:21
of terrible things. Don
17:24
almost immediately sensed the opposite.
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He didn't see the capacity for
17:31
evil in her at all. You
17:34
obviously are
17:38
not him.
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Okay, obviously you're
17:42
not, So that needs to be the
17:45
first thing. I'm scared though. That's
17:47
the first thing you need to get out
17:50
is you're nothing. But I'm scared
17:52
I look like you. I have came
17:56
from here. That's okay, we can't
17:58
because my heart is so turned top. I'm afraid
18:00
of built like him that I
18:03
don't don't hurt people, But I'm
18:05
scared you're not like him. Because
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of that, you're
18:10
like blocking feelings and being
18:13
cold, whatever you think it may be, because
18:15
this has been damaged so
18:17
bad, all it did was get covered
18:19
up and covered up and covered up and covered up
18:22
a scar. You
18:25
can bring this up a hundred more times on
18:27
television and that scab wouldn't
18:29
reopen. It is a scar. I
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am okay. I am convinced
18:35
that he is where he deserves to be.
18:37
My mom's in a better place, and
18:39
he gave this to me and you to
18:42
pass on to people that no matter what
18:44
we go through in life, we
18:47
can make it. Don
18:56
also believed there was nothing accidental
18:59
about the in which was mother's body
19:01
was found. Life
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leads us in a weird path, and
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we are the ying and the yang
19:11
of one in three point one
19:13
million. Did you know that the
19:16
odds of what your dad did to my mom
19:19
is one in three point one million? Have
19:23
you met that many people in your life.
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I have traveled to the United States, I have gone
19:28
as far as the Caribbean to run away,
19:31
and I still the universe
19:33
brings me back here. I moved all the way to St. Thomas,
19:36
to the top of an island. Leave me alone.
19:39
No one will know anything about me unless I
19:41
won't tell him. But I still
19:43
end up right back here. I
19:47
worked in the town for six years as a
19:49
local bartender, heard stories
19:51
about my mom. People come across
19:53
me every day and say, your name is not le Roy.
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People call me up out of the blue. I've seen her
19:58
on television again, and I saw you on
20:01
television, So out of the blue, I would
20:03
get random calls. People would
20:05
be facebooking me from all around the country,
20:07
were thinking I can help them,
20:09
you know. So there was a lot going on. But
20:13
to be able to heal, I told myself
20:16
that your father needed
20:19
to be put away.
20:23
My mom lived a
20:25
fulfilled, happy life. It was
20:27
her time to go to a better place.
20:31
Yes, wasn't her time?
20:33
No, because God has a plan.
20:36
Okay, No, God has a Yes
20:40
he does. Well, let's not
20:42
call it God. Let's call it the universe. Our
20:44
universe has a plan for each and every
20:47
one of us, and the it
20:50
isn't a kind world. Can you see
20:52
it? So nice? I don't. I wish I could
20:54
see this. I want. I want to help you
20:57
feel it. You
20:59
gotta have to let at me because
21:01
otherwise you're
21:03
gonna end up the old cat lady. Yeah,
21:10
that would be horrible. Don
21:20
Lee Roy whomever he believed
21:22
himself to be at that moment, also
21:25
believed that the universe kept putting
21:27
people in his path for a reason, including
21:31
a man in the back seat of
21:33
his cab, I
21:36
dried taxi, and the weirdest stuff happens. I
21:40
met a gentleman who was about seventy
21:42
two years old. He
21:44
proceeds to tell me that he had a family and
21:48
after raising his family, he got tired
21:50
of working for the man, so he decided to start robbing
21:53
banks. Well,
21:55
he ended up in eighteen years. He
21:58
ended up an osp We
22:00
proceed to talk. It's a five hour journey. Come
22:04
to find out he has
22:06
been locked up the whole time. Your dad has been
22:08
locked up. So this man proceeds to
22:10
tell me what I already
22:12
knew, how bad life was in prison, but
22:14
how bad your father his
22:17
life is. The
22:20
stuff he told me made
22:22
me happy because
22:25
I am able to eat a steak, see
22:28
a beautiful lady, go out and
22:30
fish. You are still
22:32
able to do that. He
22:35
will never be able to do any of the pleasures
22:37
in life. Again, what did he say
22:39
that his life is like in prison?
22:42
Well, basically,
22:44
your dad lives in one building. He's
22:47
not allowed to go out of the building. He
22:49
isn't can't go outside. He
22:52
is in PC
22:54
protective custody
23:02
from I the Creation of a serial Killer
23:04
by Jack Olson. Most
23:07
of the cops and detectives who had worked the case
23:09
were piste that I had gotten two people out of prison
23:12
and beat the death penalty myself, but
23:14
some of them still had a morbid interest and
23:16
happy face. When we
23:19
pulled into the intake center and Clackamus,
23:21
one guard asked if I would pose with him for a picture.
23:25
I was put in solitary confinement in D Block
23:27
to keep me safe from other prisoners. Lady
23:30
killers and rapists ranked near the bottom
23:32
of the food chain in the prison system,
23:34
barely above child molesters and crooked
23:36
cops. I was allowed
23:38
one hour of yard time a day, no
23:40
books, no cards, no
23:43
nothing. Wherever
23:45
I went, the pointy fingers came out.
23:48
Everyone wanted a piece of the celebrity. So
23:55
I'm telling this guy the whole story,
23:58
and he proceeds to tell me how he's
24:01
seen your dad get beat up many
24:04
of times. Your dad is known
24:06
as a snitch. Your dad is
24:08
locked in his cell. He comes out like an
24:10
hour or two hours a day. How
24:13
big is he? Now? I can just imagine with no exercise
24:16
in a cage that's as big as he is a foot
24:18
wide. Think about his six ft eight the
24:20
sales six by nine. And if
24:22
all you do is put on weight, you gotta be uncomfortable.
24:26
He never gets interaction with anybody.
24:28
So this guy proceeds to
24:30
tell me that he's even met your
24:32
dad and had
24:35
controversy with him. And I have every right
24:37
to believe this guy because I feel it. I've
24:40
seen the tattoos and this is too odd.
24:44
And this man told me that
24:48
he wanted me to stop at a bank so
24:50
he could rob it and go back in to shank this
24:52
guy because he deserves to
24:54
die, because he knew you,
24:57
explained who you were to him, and the
24:59
whole time in the ca A Brad, he kept calling me the last
25:01
victim's son instead of by my name. He's
25:05
like the new generation
25:07
of inmates aren't willing to do
25:09
like the old school. Some up a long
25:11
story. He told me that he talks
25:13
to someone inside once
25:15
a month, he said. The next ass weapon
25:19
Jess personal notes from me. Did
25:23
it happened? How am I gonna
25:25
know? I don't know.
25:28
This was just a few months ago. Don't
25:30
you find that kind of odd that added the blue.
25:32
A guy like this gets in my taxi, all
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of Melissa's fears about confrontation,
25:58
about God's hatred, anger
26:00
about her father and what he'd done to Don's
26:03
mother, everything, it
26:06
was just finally over and
26:08
there was peace. In
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a sort of strange, if not slightly
26:13
broken way, there
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was love. Uh.
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I'm glad it's not the word. Um.
26:22
I'm thankful that you were willing to take
26:24
me out here and show me. I know
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this isn't I can tell that
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after this much time, you
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you know this is a place you can go to. But
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my mind is just racing. I'm thinking
26:40
of a million of things. I'm thinking about
26:43
thinking about my dad, and I'm
26:45
picturing it in my mind. I've
26:48
been in that cab of the truck. I'm
26:51
picturing exactly what he said, what he must have done,
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Like how quickly we have taken
26:56
off. I
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mean, it's it's definitely I can I can
27:05
visualize it. But how
27:09
has healing on your own?
27:12
How has it shaped you as a person? How
27:14
is it shaped like you
27:16
didn't ask to become this
27:19
person? How
27:21
does it shaped me? Well?
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People will tell you now
27:26
that you've healed, are you gonna find Donald, or
27:29
are you gonna stay le Roy? Well,
27:33
I'm not sure yet Donald.
27:38
When Donald was the victim,
27:41
Leroy was the survivor. So
27:44
in my story would go how
27:47
it went from Donald Bernard Finley
27:50
two le Roy because
27:54
of the traumatic events that have happened
27:56
in my life. And
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then at the end, when we're all done with
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this, we
28:04
will see Donald. We
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got a beginning, the middle, and an end, and
28:12
Donald came out because I hit We hit
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the final piece, the puzzles complete.
28:18
Two people that have no answers from
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anybody else, we can
28:23
now answer ourselves
28:37
after all of us, what is just person
28:39
to you? Now? What
28:41
is Jess person to me? Now? Just
28:44
a tax penny at waste?
28:55
Meeting one another was so therapeutic
28:57
for both Melissa and Don was
29:00
really a testament to human resiliency
29:03
and the triumph of good over evil.
29:08
When we left with Shugel, it was
29:10
with the feeling that ultimately Jesperson
29:12
had lost because two
29:14
of his residual victims had used
29:16
the power of forgiveness to
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transcend the horror and hopelessness
29:22
he'd foisted upon them.
29:44
Happy faces of production of How Stuff Works
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executive producers are Melissa Moore Lauren
29:49
Bright, Pacheco mangesh A ticket
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Or and Will Pearson. Supervising
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producer is Noel Brown. Music
29:56
by Claire Campbell, Page Campbell and Hope
29:58
for a Golden Summer. Story
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editor is Matt Riddle. Audio editing
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by Chandler Mays and Noel Brown. Assistant
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editor is Taylor Shacoin special
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thanks to Phil Stanford, the publishers of
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the Oregonian Newspaper, and the Carlisle
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family. All
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his love place where
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they catch
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you when you fall.
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Who He's
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place where
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they catch
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you when you fall.
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And we are
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